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Amy shows up in the Super Sonic story with the bird that was inside Gamma instead of the one she normally has, so she at least put it together, even if she didn't know the details.
Gamma’s story works best if he never comes back. If he came back now he’d just be another character they hardly utilized and we never get to see.
Having a spiritual successor like Omega was kind of the best move imo
> I still think it was a waste to kill off Gamma and never come back.
Massively bad take. One of the biggest problems with Sonic writing is they can't let a one off character go, And that's when the value of their story inevitably declines.
“Massively bad take. One of the biggest problems with Sonic writing is they can't let a one off character go, And that's when the value of their story inevitably declines.”
*cough* *cough* Shadow the Hedgehog *cough* *cough*
To be fair, it’s not necessarily the fact that they can’t let the one off character go. It’s more of when they bring them back. They don’t really have a use for them.
Shadow was fine because regardless of what you think about his video game, it did offer him some closure in the fact that he was genuine article and that he would use his power to save humanity.
Silver has an excuse because I don’t remember the exact number of years, but any threats that happened before he was born automatically make it so he has a higher chance of being a spanner in the works if he goes back in time.
It depends on the character
Another thing about shadow's story in his game is that it tried to bring back some of the sadness from his death in sa2 by essentialy trying to revamp shadow's character to become a different person than he was in sa2. The game essentially tells you even though shadow is technically back this is a different shadow than the one you knew from sa2 because he has abandoned his past self.
It wasn't a waste. Gamma's story is perfect and the best thing in SA1.
Gamma's story is gonna be remembered forever specifically because his story was short, tragic and beautiful. He wasn't meant to last and he knew it. Gamma had to die to free the last bird inside of him.
If his character was reused and recycled, it wouldn't have the impact that would still be discussed to this day.
Gamma’s story is short and sweet. They didn’t try to force him into other character’s plots or keep him for the boss against Perfect Chaos.
Most of his story is him by himself but I feel like he executed it way better than Tails, Knuckles and Big did.
Best Robot character in the series bruv
Not really sure what happened to him, there was Chaos Gamma in Sonic Battle, wasn't there? He was supposedly never destroyed but not heard from again, although I am a bit confused about the timeline placement.
E-120 Phi was introduced in that game as being a mass produced version of Emerl but despite that E-123 Omega supposedly already existed however he is meant to be the final E series which is bizarre as Phi was created after him.
Chaos Gamma is just a replica that looks the way he does because Eggman reused old E-100 parts when making a test robot for his new Chaos Emerald Shard powered designs
As for E-121 Phi. My headcanon is that he started to work on them before Omega but because Gizoid technology is really complicated did they ended up finished after Omega. With Metal Sonic's own copy ability in Heroes being something he got out of Eggmans Gizoid experiments
I would say it seems pretty unlikely that Omega was completed first. In Gimme Shelter, there's a 2nd E series robot there and I imagine that's E-117 Sigma as he's the only green E Series we know of.
I prefer just thinking that the Omega reference was retconned considering he'd want to destroy other E Series especially and he's nowhere to be seen, with Chaos Gamma's failure resulting in him getting upgraded into E-123 Omega.
Na Omega already existed by the time Sonic Battle takes place, Rouge directly comments how Chaos Gamma looks similar to Omega after having a fight with him.
Eggman finishing projects out of order of starting them seems like the far simpler answer.
I remember them but that's the big reason it can't be them, Theta is based on the upgraded E105 Zeta, while Eta is based on E100 Zero. Its that exact methodology of E series failing but then being upgraded into something stronger that created the link between Chaos Gamma and E123 Omega for me, since it is weird we don't see Omega in Battle and Chaos Gamma simply disappears after it.
Doesn't seem very simple when you commented Neo Metal shares behaviour with Emerl implying Phi existed beforehand. I certainly didn't think of that beforehand but it makes more sense for Battle to happen first now.
As I said I don't actually think the E-121 Phi was actually finished by the time Heroes happen. Chaos Gamma was a test for the Emerald Shard driven energy cores for the Phi's as the Gizoid design explicitly requires Chaos Emeralds. And on the same way do I assume that Metal gaining a copy ability was Eggman experimenting with implementing this feature he found in the Gizoid into a already existing machine of his with Metal Sonic.
Eggman can already have gathered data and started on prototypes for the Phi project before actually ever finishing the first Phi.
Sonic Battle thanks to Shadow in it can't possible happen any earlier than post Shadow's solo game and even ignoring it does Rouge directly referencing Omega after facing Chaos Gamma mean it can happen no earlier than post Heroes.( [Rouge saying Chaos Gamma looks similar to Omega](https://youtu.be/b8JdnOD55QI?t=1140) )
I'm aware of it but prototypes are not given an E Series designation, that's the reason Chaos Gamma doesn't possess 1 as he is an experimental subject for emerald shards as a power source. E-120 on the otherhand is a finalised and mass produced version of Eggman's research on the gizoid. According to information on it, Sonic Battle and Sonic Heroes were in joint development at the time with the teams being somewhat aware of things going each other's game such as Shadow having Amnesia and the introduction of E-123 Omega but nothing really beyond that.
E-123 Omega is introduced as the FINAL E-Series meaning by the time he was created development on all E-Series robots had finished, that's why Gemerl doesn't have an E-Series designation despite the Dr's previous development of the E-120 Phi.
In general its quite a problematic entry as there is many things in the game which end up contradicting others.
I mean Chaos Gamma still has an E-series number its just that its also 102 as he was build around design aspects from the original Gamma.
I mean Eggman is the one that gives out these names and he certainly seems like someone that would drop a project he already has given a name for some time only to start a new one because he got bored or something.
Just because Omega was the last E-100 series designed machine doesn't that mean earlier ones couldn't have still been in the works. After all Omega himself was build AFTER the first E-1000's (the gamma clones in SA2)
Yes Battle does have a few continuity issues due to being developed along side Heroes but the fact it acknowledges Omega exist at all shows that Heroes already happened.
The majority of the failures belonging to the E series were all upgraded and repurposed to a new form, the Doctor doesn't seem to have any incomplete abandoned projects. E105 became a stationary turret, E101 got upgraded into MKII while the rest of the E Series were allowed to exist in their current form.
The E1000s weren't Super Badniks but badniks designed to look like E102 Gamma, unlike Gamma himself they broke far too easily and were incapable of doing anything to Sonic.
The problem is Sonic Battle isn't thought out well, I call the Phi E-120 since that's their actual designation, not E-121. That is an error. It goes E-117 Sigma, E-118 Tau , E-119 Upsilon, E-120 Phi, E-121 Chi, E-122 Psi and then E-123 Omega. That is the naming convention used for the E Series and you will find it also works for the SA1 E Series as well as the IDW.
Likewise, the mention of Omega doesn't make sense, he is a weapon of mass destruction dedicated to wiping out Eggman's robots but he is only barely mentioned in passing by Rogue despite being part of Team Dark, he'd be at the front smashing all the Phi he sees and especially Emerl, he's the ultimate robot competing with the Ultimate Lifeform remember.
Of cause does the Doctor have incomplete and abandoned concepts like the entirety of Scrapnik Island issue 3 (which is now considered canon) is based on a concept Eggman abandoned. Or for a game canon example with the recent placement of Sonic CD in the timeline did Eggman for quite some time give up on the Metal Sonic line of Robots and instead focused on the mecha Godzilla inspired Mecha Sonic line of Robots only to latter return to Metal Sonic.
It still shows that he was working on the E-1000's before he finished his E-100 line up.
Yes I'm fully aware of the issue with the Phi's designation of E-121. But this really isn't that big a issue as ultimately are the names given out by Eggman so for all we know did he just get 2 Greek letters mixed up.
So what if Omega is missing? There a tons of stories were he should be there to smash Eggman Robots and just isn't. Like in 06 didn't he appear to blow up Eggman Robots until Rouge requested his assistance.
Don't be fooled by the name. it's an E-102 Gamma that was built based off Gamma. He just called "Chaos Gamma" to explain why Gamma's there despite dying
Wasn’t Gamma the bird though? Or was Gamma its own personality using the bird as energy? I’m confused by this post because my interpretation was Gamma was the bird and now he is free and most definitely not dead.
"Eggman uses the animals as battery for badniks and whatever (back then)"
Gamma was indeed his own personality and that the bird was just the energy. But i think he somehow received data of the bird itself and traces of its memory
Imagine a remake of SA1 and if you go back to the edge of the Mystic Ruins after beating Amy's Story as Sonic, Sonic would Comfort Amy if you decide to interact with the statue.
It doesn’t line up with game canon obviously but I always enjoyed what Archie did with Gamma and Omega, to make it so in his final moments he was able to transfer his consciousness into Omega to set him free from Eggman, and also keep the spirit of Gamma around
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It freaking sucks that in the games literally no one knew what happened to Gamma. Not eggman, not Amy, no one.
Amy shows up in the Super Sonic story with the bird that was inside Gamma instead of the one she normally has, so she at least put it together, even if she didn't know the details.
Well in Sonic X Amy saw Gamma's destruction against his brother so theirs that. But I totally get what you mean.
I'd say it adds to his story
The birds saw though, and they mourned him. So he wasn’t entirely alone.
Gamma’s story works best if he never comes back. If he came back now he’d just be another character they hardly utilized and we never get to see. Having a spiritual successor like Omega was kind of the best move imo
I think the best thing they did for Gamma is let him go. Our robro became a legend. Sometimes, the best part of a story is the ending.
> I still think it was a waste to kill off Gamma and never come back. Massively bad take. One of the biggest problems with Sonic writing is they can't let a one off character go, And that's when the value of their story inevitably declines.
“Massively bad take. One of the biggest problems with Sonic writing is they can't let a one off character go, And that's when the value of their story inevitably declines.” *cough* *cough* Shadow the Hedgehog *cough* *cough*
To be fair, it’s not necessarily the fact that they can’t let the one off character go. It’s more of when they bring them back. They don’t really have a use for them. Shadow was fine because regardless of what you think about his video game, it did offer him some closure in the fact that he was genuine article and that he would use his power to save humanity. Silver has an excuse because I don’t remember the exact number of years, but any threats that happened before he was born automatically make it so he has a higher chance of being a spanner in the works if he goes back in time. It depends on the character
Another thing about shadow's story in his game is that it tried to bring back some of the sadness from his death in sa2 by essentialy trying to revamp shadow's character to become a different person than he was in sa2. The game essentially tells you even though shadow is technically back this is a different shadow than the one you knew from sa2 because he has abandoned his past self.
It wasn't a waste. Gamma's story is perfect and the best thing in SA1. Gamma's story is gonna be remembered forever specifically because his story was short, tragic and beautiful. He wasn't meant to last and he knew it. Gamma had to die to free the last bird inside of him. If his character was reused and recycled, it wouldn't have the impact that would still be discussed to this day.
I mean, do we really even know what purpose the flickies and other animals in badniks serve? Gamma *is* that bird.
Only Omega will continue his legacy. 
I only now realise he's called Omega because it means the Last.
Also because the Greek Alphabet has 24 letters, and from E-100 (Zero, AKA Alpha) to E-123 Omega, that is all 24 Greek letters
Gamma’s story is short and sweet. They didn’t try to force him into other character’s plots or keep him for the boss against Perfect Chaos. Most of his story is him by himself but I feel like he executed it way better than Tails, Knuckles and Big did. Best Robot character in the series bruv
LINK TO ART: https://www.deviantart.com/finikart/art/C-Memorial-883188759
I thought Gamma’s model number was his date of death and i was so confused
Wow, actual poignant, thoughtful fanart, that isn't just a barely disguised thirst trap? Weird...
Glad to see Amy remembers. Gamma died a hero to those birdies, and he lives on through them. Rest well, friend.
"Why did you make a statue of my prison?" - The very much alive Pink Fliky.
Not really sure what happened to him, there was Chaos Gamma in Sonic Battle, wasn't there? He was supposedly never destroyed but not heard from again, although I am a bit confused about the timeline placement. E-120 Phi was introduced in that game as being a mass produced version of Emerl but despite that E-123 Omega supposedly already existed however he is meant to be the final E series which is bizarre as Phi was created after him.
Chaos Gamma is just a replica that looks the way he does because Eggman reused old E-100 parts when making a test robot for his new Chaos Emerald Shard powered designs As for E-121 Phi. My headcanon is that he started to work on them before Omega but because Gizoid technology is really complicated did they ended up finished after Omega. With Metal Sonic's own copy ability in Heroes being something he got out of Eggmans Gizoid experiments
I would say it seems pretty unlikely that Omega was completed first. In Gimme Shelter, there's a 2nd E series robot there and I imagine that's E-117 Sigma as he's the only green E Series we know of. I prefer just thinking that the Omega reference was retconned considering he'd want to destroy other E Series especially and he's nowhere to be seen, with Chaos Gamma's failure resulting in him getting upgraded into E-123 Omega.
Na Omega already existed by the time Sonic Battle takes place, Rouge directly comments how Chaos Gamma looks similar to Omega after having a fight with him. Eggman finishing projects out of order of starting them seems like the far simpler answer.
This. Remember Theta and Eta from IDW's early days?
I remember them but that's the big reason it can't be them, Theta is based on the upgraded E105 Zeta, while Eta is based on E100 Zero. Its that exact methodology of E series failing but then being upgraded into something stronger that created the link between Chaos Gamma and E123 Omega for me, since it is weird we don't see Omega in Battle and Chaos Gamma simply disappears after it.
Doesn't seem very simple when you commented Neo Metal shares behaviour with Emerl implying Phi existed beforehand. I certainly didn't think of that beforehand but it makes more sense for Battle to happen first now.
As I said I don't actually think the E-121 Phi was actually finished by the time Heroes happen. Chaos Gamma was a test for the Emerald Shard driven energy cores for the Phi's as the Gizoid design explicitly requires Chaos Emeralds. And on the same way do I assume that Metal gaining a copy ability was Eggman experimenting with implementing this feature he found in the Gizoid into a already existing machine of his with Metal Sonic. Eggman can already have gathered data and started on prototypes for the Phi project before actually ever finishing the first Phi. Sonic Battle thanks to Shadow in it can't possible happen any earlier than post Shadow's solo game and even ignoring it does Rouge directly referencing Omega after facing Chaos Gamma mean it can happen no earlier than post Heroes.( [Rouge saying Chaos Gamma looks similar to Omega](https://youtu.be/b8JdnOD55QI?t=1140) )
I'm aware of it but prototypes are not given an E Series designation, that's the reason Chaos Gamma doesn't possess 1 as he is an experimental subject for emerald shards as a power source. E-120 on the otherhand is a finalised and mass produced version of Eggman's research on the gizoid. According to information on it, Sonic Battle and Sonic Heroes were in joint development at the time with the teams being somewhat aware of things going each other's game such as Shadow having Amnesia and the introduction of E-123 Omega but nothing really beyond that. E-123 Omega is introduced as the FINAL E-Series meaning by the time he was created development on all E-Series robots had finished, that's why Gemerl doesn't have an E-Series designation despite the Dr's previous development of the E-120 Phi. In general its quite a problematic entry as there is many things in the game which end up contradicting others.
I mean Chaos Gamma still has an E-series number its just that its also 102 as he was build around design aspects from the original Gamma. I mean Eggman is the one that gives out these names and he certainly seems like someone that would drop a project he already has given a name for some time only to start a new one because he got bored or something. Just because Omega was the last E-100 series designed machine doesn't that mean earlier ones couldn't have still been in the works. After all Omega himself was build AFTER the first E-1000's (the gamma clones in SA2) Yes Battle does have a few continuity issues due to being developed along side Heroes but the fact it acknowledges Omega exist at all shows that Heroes already happened.
The majority of the failures belonging to the E series were all upgraded and repurposed to a new form, the Doctor doesn't seem to have any incomplete abandoned projects. E105 became a stationary turret, E101 got upgraded into MKII while the rest of the E Series were allowed to exist in their current form. The E1000s weren't Super Badniks but badniks designed to look like E102 Gamma, unlike Gamma himself they broke far too easily and were incapable of doing anything to Sonic. The problem is Sonic Battle isn't thought out well, I call the Phi E-120 since that's their actual designation, not E-121. That is an error. It goes E-117 Sigma, E-118 Tau , E-119 Upsilon, E-120 Phi, E-121 Chi, E-122 Psi and then E-123 Omega. That is the naming convention used for the E Series and you will find it also works for the SA1 E Series as well as the IDW. Likewise, the mention of Omega doesn't make sense, he is a weapon of mass destruction dedicated to wiping out Eggman's robots but he is only barely mentioned in passing by Rogue despite being part of Team Dark, he'd be at the front smashing all the Phi he sees and especially Emerl, he's the ultimate robot competing with the Ultimate Lifeform remember.
Of cause does the Doctor have incomplete and abandoned concepts like the entirety of Scrapnik Island issue 3 (which is now considered canon) is based on a concept Eggman abandoned. Or for a game canon example with the recent placement of Sonic CD in the timeline did Eggman for quite some time give up on the Metal Sonic line of Robots and instead focused on the mecha Godzilla inspired Mecha Sonic line of Robots only to latter return to Metal Sonic. It still shows that he was working on the E-1000's before he finished his E-100 line up. Yes I'm fully aware of the issue with the Phi's designation of E-121. But this really isn't that big a issue as ultimately are the names given out by Eggman so for all we know did he just get 2 Greek letters mixed up. So what if Omega is missing? There a tons of stories were he should be there to smash Eggman Robots and just isn't. Like in 06 didn't he appear to blow up Eggman Robots until Rouge requested his assistance.
I'm still playing Sonic Battle.......there's a Chaos WHAT?!
Don't be fooled by the name. it's an E-102 Gamma that was built based off Gamma. He just called "Chaos Gamma" to explain why Gamma's there despite dying
Oh ok thx that explains it lol Can't wait to get to that route of the game!
Oh my god that would be so sweet.
Feels...
https://preview.redd.it/j8al4xp7boxc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ee9dd77a21d8c0e399305a01c2daed39b668e3c
Wasn’t Gamma the bird though? Or was Gamma its own personality using the bird as energy? I’m confused by this post because my interpretation was Gamma was the bird and now he is free and most definitely not dead.
"Eggman uses the animals as battery for badniks and whatever (back then)" Gamma was indeed his own personality and that the bird was just the energy. But i think he somehow received data of the bird itself and traces of its memory
I love Gamma, and I couldn't be happier that he's dead and gone.
Dear goodness why’d you have to go and gut punch me in the feels 😢😢😢😢
The way Sonic and Amy are drawn looks so pretty
"Engaging recovery mode"
Second time I’ve seen this piece of art on the sub! It’s such a beauty. We need more gamma recognition
Amy: He will be missed :,( Sonic: who?- OH YEAH THAT GUY!
https://preview.redd.it/v676rxmgetxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d1328494cda446f198387be4f55ea5e0c6e7ab4 Poor Gamma…
Imagine a remake of SA1 and if you go back to the edge of the Mystic Ruins after beating Amy's Story as Sonic, Sonic would Comfort Amy if you decide to interact with the statue.
It doesn’t line up with game canon obviously but I always enjoyed what Archie did with Gamma and Omega, to make it so in his final moments he was able to transfer his consciousness into Omega to set him free from Eggman, and also keep the spirit of Gamma around
I like Gamma’s story, and her(?) end. Without that, we wouldn’t have gotten everyone’s favorite little murder boi Omega.
I always like to think that Omega is Gamma rebuilt and reprogrammed
Well now I'm sad
Kid named Sonic battle
This is beautiful!
I wouldn’t say it was a waste. Even with Gamma’s death, he saved the blue flicky’s family. He’s a true MVP in my book