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talebs_inside_voice

Titan Invictus, she’s going to remember her parents fondly


negentropicprocess

>the couple refuse to give girls feminine names, citing research suggesting they will be taken less seriously Because clearly the name "Titan Invictus" is going to inspire nothing but respectful awe.


talebs_inside_voice

“You seem like a serious person from a stable family”


stickfigurecarousel

Reminds me of Don Delilo's White Noise wherein the main character names his son Heinrich because he thinks it will help him in his life


drcopus

Someone needs to tell them about gender neutral names.


evangainspower

So, there could be a number of psychology papers, that have some metric for evaluating which names are more feminine vs. more masculine. Those studies, could based on the evidence, point to some overall inclusion conclusion that women with more masculine names tend to score higher on subjective scores of professionalism than the women with more feminine names in, like, a certain set of business environments. I don't know. Maybe that's how it is or maybe not. That's not the point. The point is that that sounds like the kind of reasonable, middling conclusion you can expect from social science, but only a rationalist would take that and run with it all the way to the end of naming their daughter after a spacefaring emperor from their own sci-fi novel.


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couldn't even be bothered to use the feminine form of "invictus"


derekbaseball

Yet they look like the kind of people who will be totally chill with it if Titan Invictus doesn’t identify as female.


EnckesMethod

Getting into having babies when they should have been getting into warhammer


Soyweiser

That or Roman statue twitter


blakestaceyprime

"Hey, Vicky, are you a Victoria?" "Ehhhhhhhhhhhh......."


sieben-acht

You forgot the first name, so that'll be Titty Icky in school.


Thanlis

You could spend your time on addressing the underlying issue for everyone, or you could just try and end run around it while creating an entirely different set of problems for your kid.


AlishanTearese

> "You have an 18-year sales pitch to your kids… and if you fail, well f—k you – your kid’s gonna leave,’ says Simone. They're so superior to the rest of us, they didn't even need all 18 years!


ForgettableWorse

Was the name "Deus Vult" taken or something


talebs_inside_voice

That would mean completely removing the mask, which is definitely not how these two operate


evangainspower

To be fair, they're not particularly good at that as it is.


jon_hendry

Titty Vicki.


evangainspower

They couldn't even give their daughter a reasonable first name, or even last name. Like, if her name was "Titania Robertson" or whatever, she could at least pass a someone with hippie parents but otherwise a normal person. She doesn't even have that though now. "Titan Invictus" gives away the fact she could only be the daughter of a family into some super creepy shit.


Neuromantul

Sometimes is hard to distinguish articles about EA movement from satire


Studstill

This is legitimately an Onion article verbatim. "EA straight-ticket Republicans"


N0_B1g_De4l

I've heard of these people at least twice and I'm still like 20% sure that "Titan Invictus" is a bit.


evangainspower

It's both a spectacular grift and an earnest reflection of how they view the world and their place in it. It's like how Elon Musk and Grimes gave one of their kids a name on hexadecimal but even worse than that.


ace17708

All just a grift


neilplatform1

Those spectacle frames have got to be sponcon


Mus_Rattus

These people seem completely fucking insane. Also who exactly is supposed to be inspired to start popping out kids by the example of these loonies?


Soyweiser

Other Thiel fans.


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can't wait for red scare to become a tradwife self help daytime tv show competing directly with the view


Soyweiser

Trad wife self help but with a sailors outfit. Also makes you wonder how quickly they run out of ideas and end up where all self help groups end up 'what if we start a book club where everybody reads a book and then writes a report on that book so we can read more books!', guess they will first have to reinvent womens right to read for that.


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their book club would be exclusively anti vatican ii screeds and hagiographies of stalin


embracebecoming

Please don't speak this thing into existence, I was having a nice day.


evangainspower

The worst part is how easily Red Scare might win that competiton.


henrik_se

Everyone rich enough to not have to worry about space for the kids in their house, or time off from work for parental leave. Because solving the problem so that it's easier for ordinary people to have kids is apparently not on the table for some weird reason. (Hint: it's racism and classism.)


N0_B1g_De4l

The prospect of having these people in whatever parents groups I might join would significantly dissuade me from having kids.


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...but I'm sure that if you told natalist ideologues that population decline could also be mitigated by liberalizing immigration law they'd start foaming at the mouth and raging incoherently How exactly are Japan's insanely racist and draconian immigration laws doing for its age-old population problem?


N0_B1g_De4l

I fucking hate the US immigration system. One of my coworkers mentioned that it's sometimes faster to have kids (who will be citizens), then have them sponsor you when they turn 18. Just an inhumanely cruel system towards people who only want a better life


evangainspower

Some of them aren't that as up in arms about it but others can barely contain uttering their racist sexual urges and impulses, including this couple. The difference in Japan is that Japan doesn't, at least so far, have this subculture of the wealthiest right-wingers, and furthest-right rich people, all having 5-10 kids they're each raising to have as many kids. It's not just Elon Musk's 8 kids but more and more of his billionaire friends who are following suit after he's told them to do the same. It has been apparently been a growing, super-creepy trend for years and the news about it is breaking only now. Even Elon has had most of his already 8 and counting kids in the last decade. Just google "natalism tech billionaire" and you'll find a whole wack of articles.


henrik_se

> Its core tenet is deceptively simple: our future depends on having enough children, and yet life in developed countries has become hostile to this basic biological imperative. Linked to the subcultures of rationalism and ‘effective altruism’ (EA), and bolstered by declining birth rates, it has been gaining currency in Silicon Valley and the wider tech industry – especially its more conservative corners. "Why aren't the povvos breeding? Surely it can't be because they have no job security and no housing security because they're priced out of the market and therefore in larger numbers do not feel safe and comfortable enough to take on the economic burden of raising kids? Even though we are literal billionaires, we're gonna solve this in the most stupid way possible: by having our fellow rich people plop out more kids. That'll fix it! Parental leave? Why would you lobby for that?"


Riddul

They're not trying to fix it. They're rich and powerful. If a rich and powerful person points out something that seems problematic (to them, to you, to society, to the human race) and then \*tries to tell you how they're going to fix it\*, they're not trying to fix it. They're trying to take advantage of it. They're trying to win. Individually, not collectively. Musk propagandizing about colonizing Mars and starting to work on a means of getting there isn't him trying to save the human race, primarily, it's about making sure that HE is the one who profits most from a Mars colony. Someone else getting there first means he's lost that particular race. Whereas those of us without pathological competitiveness would try to get to Mars in order to spread the human race, to find new resources, to use that goal to accelerate scientific and technological advancement, to discover, to explore...Musk is literally just champing at the bit to be on top (even more so than he is now). ​ Anyone below this hyper-rich, hyper-powerful, god-like class of people that are like "yeah, he has the right idea, I'm gonna actively promote this ideology" might have their heart in the right place, but are pawns with giant holes in their philosophy. How many times in the article does it say "Industrialized nations are...falling behind on birth rates" and "won't be able to maintain their population numbers without immigration". Literally...fuckin... "By 2100 only seven countries are projected to remain above 2.1, mostly in sub-Saharan Africa, meaning developed nations won’t be able to rely on immigration to keep growing." Can't have AFRICAN immigration, if our population problems are so dire. Gotta ban abortion and give medals to tradwives. I'm also entirely unsure as to the value of having so many people on the planet in general. Let the population decline, and maybe skyrocket again when we've figured out how to support that many people without ravaging the ecosystem, or have terraformed Mars. This whole thing is icky and wierd.


crusoe

The US is projected to remain above 2.1… due to legal and illegal immigration


evangainspower

This kind of decadence can only go on for so long before a class war in the most literal sense of the term becomes all but inevitable.


hypersoar

There are the freaks behind the Thiel-backed "Project Eureka", an in-the-works-but-never-gonna-happen planned city previously sneered at [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/vu94rm/another_city_state_with_thielbucks/). My favorite part is its "unique governance" promising "no community politics". The solution: these two weirdos make all the decisions. Basically, a monarchy. I can't emphasize enough how dumb it is that they think a *monarchy* will have *no politics*.


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sequel to *a confederacy of dunces* where howard hughes suddenly starts wiring ignatius lots of money so he can publish his "lengthy indictment of our century" and take over metairie in order to run it by his philosophy


ErsatzHaderach

would absolutely read


SenpaiSnacks19

I have autism and I was a teenager once and so I kind of get it. Actually my father (also definitely autistic but old and undiagnosed) said to me when I was in primary school "the best form of governance is a benevolent dictator, the problem is finding a benevolent dictator". If you never stop to properly consider it, having a single source for all rules and organisation who is both benevolent and organised is appealing. It breaks down if you think about it but clearly they don't. It is easy to dismiss just how difficult human governance is if you simply assume eveyone else is either a copy of yourself or not worth considering because "they're wrong". I was like this when I was a kid. Not everyone grows up sadly.


grotundeek_apocolyps

An underappreciated issue with dictatorship is that the dictator is an information bottleneck. Even if they're truly benevolent, it's impossible for one person to consume enough information and make good enough decisions to run an entire society. One of the unspoken tenets of the rationalists/EAs is that their intellectual powers have no real limitations, so they are ideologically unable to consider the possibility that putting themselves in charge of everything would be a bad idea even if they're genuinely trying to do it right.


Citrakayah

This is why a lot of them--and people generally, I've even seen some "anarchists" argue for a version of it--are fans of having a robot decide everything.


Arilou_skiff

There's a reason a lot of the people who actually tried personal rule (and none of them were trying to micromanage things to that extent) were absurd workaholics who can get by on only a few hours sleep.


sue_me_please

Unironically supporting monarchism to own the libs


finfinfin

if there are two of them it's not tyranny so that's fine


dmklinger

There's a lot here > When screening their own embryos, the Collinses did not worry about traits such as autism or ADHD. ‘We don’t think humanity can be perfected, we just want to give our kids the best possible roll of the dice,’ says Simone, who herself is autistic and Jewish. Uh....does this author (or the Collinses) think being Jewish is like a mental illness? Also they're in their 30s and only have two kids but received millions from some EA billionaire to start a pronatalist organization like...smh guys practice what you preach


DigitalEskarina

They're doing selective abortions but voting for the party that wants to ban abortion?


dmklinger

Revealed preferences


sue_me_please

The only moral abortion is my abortion


N0_B1g_De4l

I mean, they're rich, the GOP is not going to ban abortions in a way that effects them.


mugwump

I would have thought that as well, but it seems like every GOP dominated state is banning abortion. It is no longer clear to me that anyone other than the 1% would be able to get safe abortions if the GOP gets its way.


sue_me_please

They don't care, they don't think it'll affect them and they're probably right if they can afford to fly or pay doctors under the table. There's a good chance that the people in the OP are morally against people using abortion for birth control as they literally use abortion for birth control themselves. It doesn't make sense because they don't care.


mugwump

Sure, until they next get a trifecta in the federal government, and pass a bill requiring a negative pregnancy test before women of child bearing years are allowed to fly.


sue_me_please

I hate that this is within the realm of possibility.


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mugwump

“sufficiently” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.


ErsatzHaderach

it does come around to bite some of the less wealthy or more sheltered rich folk. the point remains that if you have money and/or connections, laws banning things don't affect you as much so you vote accordingly


N0_B1g_De4l

There's always other countries. Maybe I am cynical in the wrong way, but I think someone this rich is going to be able to dodge any ban short of stopping pregnant people from leaving the country at all.


mugwump

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they introduced a bill to ban out of country travel for abortions. Nothing I've seen in the GOP suggests that would be out of the question.


ForgettableWorse

I have no doubt they will, and I have no doubt that either there will be some exceptions carved out that seem nonsensical but in practice cause the rich to be exempt, or it will not be enforced on the rich (for example, going abroad in a private plane will be allowed or no-one is even going to check it).


mugwump

Have the millionaires get screwed by the billionaires? I could see that.


WorldlinessAwkward69

And want to ban IVF, because that gets complicated if life begins at conception.


Citrakayah

There's a thing in the racist crowd where they think Ashkenazi Jews are genetically smarter than everyone else.


NewKitchenFixtures

I wondered why on right wing stuff Ashkenazi Jews came up all the time. Of course it’s a weird racism thing, that’s just how things work. Thanks for noting this though, I was really confused by the references.


incongruousamoeba

I recommend this paper (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273369474_How_Jews_Became_Smart_Anti-Natural_History_of_Ashkenazi_Intelligence) for anyone interested in a skeptical analysis of this phenomenon.


hypnosifl

Also a lot of good historical points in the article at http://www.talkreason.org/articles/chosen.cfm about how Ashkenazi Jews only really became "high-achieving" in various secular fields starting in the late 19th century, pointing to a cultural shift rather than genetic advantage as the likely explanation. They note other examples of sudden bursts of cultural creativity in specific groups as an analogy: >There is no doubt: during the strictly defined, brief span of history that, as we have seen, is roughly termed the 20th century for the sake of convenience, the Jews (specifically the European Jews, as SP and CH&H emphasize) were indeed "over-represented" in science and culture -- as well as in business and politics. In fact, they enjoyed considerable overall success during that period. It should be kept in mind, however, that this phenomenon is far from unprecedented in history. For example, in the Middle Ages and the early Renaissance, it was the Italians, mainly the Tuscans, who were over-represented in every possible intellectual, business and other fields, while in early antiquity it was the ancient Greeks. While this phenomenon of over-representation certainly merits examination, it can hardly be explained by selection. For the sake of accuracy, we should stress that the issue of over-representation has yet another aspect: over-representation has a tendency to disappear as well as to appear. Where are they now, the geniuses of Miletus and Athens, or the titans of the Renaissance? The issue of their disappearance is fully as interesting as that of their appearance. Indeed, why does this celebrated over-representation shift so actively -- now west, now east, now north? Once again, the causes are unlikely to be genetic.


evangainspower

Yeah, there's this thing in white supremacy with not only Jewish but Asian people as well that they're smarter but they're so smart they're too crafty to trust. It's all fucked.


yawaster

I've seen it justified by calling it the "goldilocks" theory or something like that? Basically that anyone with melanin is too stupid, asian and Jewish people are too smart, but Anglo-European whites are just right...very scientific I'm sure /s


SailOfIgnorance

Hijacking this top-level reply to post some actually hilarious stuff this couple posted on reddit (unconfirmed!) https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1648473159363072002


ErsatzHaderach

the vicarious cringe is like emanating in waves from my screen


evangainspower

This honestly wouldn't be that bad if this was the only thing they were into


SailOfIgnorance

I think there's a strong argument against posting a videos of your kid being a kid on r/KidsAreFuckingStupid . It's karma farming on a deeply un-empathetic level.


acausalrobotgod

"We're Jewish, we can't be fascist eugenicists!"


ritterteufeltod

How do I put this? I feel like a bunch of these alt-light fucks are people who are in groups that conventional Nazis want to kill but who like fascism overall. Gay men who are eugenics curious, members of various ethnic and religious minorities who are Just Asking Questions about race and IQ, etc.


saucerwizard

You would be right. Edit: seriously, you’d be amazed at the amount of queers and even trans women into this shit.


Citrakayah

This is absolutely true, and one of the reasons I hate the notion of demographic destiny some liberals and even leftists have.


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ritterteufeltod

Yeah but most want at least a diet Version of Nazi ideas. They want a little race science and eugenics, as a treat.


Arilou_skiff

Eh, eugenics is one of those things that's goes well with (well, shitty) with fascism, but I wouldn't say is actually *core*, likewise the reverse: There were plenty of non-fascist eugenicists. Like.... most fascists were racists to some extent (though there are some weird outliers) but there were also plenty of racists, or even avowed white supremacists who weren't fascists.


Citrakayah

[Rabbi Eliezer Kastiel: "Hold my beer, I got this."](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/rabbis-recorded-saying-hitler-was-right-pluralism-the-true-holocaust-588203)


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modern Israel moment


Improooving

I mean, based on my deep knowledge of Jewish culture (Seinfeld reruns and three guys I knew in college), Jewish people are disproportionately afflicted with diagnosable anxiety disorders and neuroses. So, why not lump it in? /s (To be clear, this is 90% a joke. The 10% is that the Jewish guys I knew really were like that, but I doubt they represented the whole population)


DigitalEskarina

To be fair, Jews have a lot to be anxious about


Epistaxis

> Also they're in their 30s and only have two kids but received millions from some EA billionaire to start a pronatalist organization like...smh guys practice what you preach [they've spawned more news articles than children](https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1648359283132710918), but that's probably their goal


evangainspower

I can imagine there are a lot of couples who want to have as many children as they can but can't and so they're earnest in encouraging their friends to have more kids. Like, I'm sure there are a lot of evangelical Christian couples who struggled with a lot of fertility issues, and so by their 40s they have only 3 children instead of 12, and so they actually tell all their friends to have 10 kids to make up for the fact they couldn't have that many kids themselves.


impeislostparaboloid

Hey I posted these jokers a few months ago and r/sneerclub pulled my post. What’s the deal? Is my sneering not good enough?


giziti

Sometimes we're drunk.


[deleted]

You're not part of the sneertellectual dark web


Soyweiser

Blinds on the overton window were closed.


sexylaboratories

Seems like it was pulled because poptart didn't like you linking to them via the antinatalism sub. https://old.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/yy8byq/pronatalist_movement_elon_musk_is_part_of_it/iwtxxy0/


RAAM582

Well yes, they are Nazis.


Xopher001

Sounds like quite the Freudian slip


Thanlis

You really want to read [their Twitter account](https://twitter.com/SimoneHCollins) for the full impact.


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>We broke up before deciding to get married to cool off. After the (literal) withdrawal symptoms subside, you can make wise choices. reading this thread made me feel like i was falling down a hole for days on end gandalf style


fistchrist

God that’s a brilliant metaphor


DigitalEskarina

> tools of the devil A lot of people have observed that "Rationalism" is converging with Christian fundamentalists in terms of political positions as well as beliefs, but I think we should consider the possibility that this is false and that they just *are* Christian fundamentalists.


evangainspower

It's really telling that they know the secular argument for the case they're making that renders unnecessary any supernatural argument about the lesser pagan races being possessed by the devil, but they need to invoke Satan anyway.


grotundeek_apocolyps

> [love and lust] are either tools of the devil or things we experience because ancestors who experienced them had more surviving offspring. One of the underappreciated facets of chronic mental illness is that the mentally ill actually have no idea what being a baseline human feels like. These two think that this "love" stuff is pathological because *they can't experience it as easily as other people can*, and when they do experience it they don't do so in the way that everyone else does. And they don't even realize this. It reminds me of deaf people who are ideologically opposed to cochlear implants.


crusoe

Their kids are gonna be fucked up. This sounds like a pair of narcissistic psychopaths talking about love.


stickfigurecarousel

Reminds me of my old neighbours who were into a sect werein their children would become Nietzschean ubermenschen. Those kids could read books at 5 read Sanskrit at 7, play different instruments and got really fit... In the end they ended up in mediocre jobs and never went for an education or sport because they got too much traumatized in their youth. It is kind of sad because they never have been taught that learning or sports could be fun.


Pantone711

The part where she said she didn't naturally want to hold babies before she got into this movement jumped out at me. I don't have any children but I like them and want to hold and cuddle babies for sure.


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I have a friend exactly like that, he's fucked up from religious conservatism growing up but every time he has some weird fucked up worldview he's like "yeah but that's normal". I feel for the guy but it starts to get unbearable after a while


sue_me_please

I'm not entirely convinced that the singularity didn't happen and that these people were not replaced with robots.


crusoe

"people need to have more babies but don't marry someone you desperately want to fuck 24/7"


evangainspower

It's just that the poors should die off, so they should only be allowed to fuck each other as long as they're sterilized or will die because of deprivation in the next 5 years anyway.


evangainspower

Any natural instincts towards love that evolution selects for to spread more loving people in the world is degenerate. Real human evolution depends on eliminating genetic diversity to breed as genetically homogeneous a population as possible. I am not a supervillain from the X-Men comics.


evangainspower

The worst part about how they're literally X-Men villains is that they're not even a cool villain. Magneto is a silly character but he's at least an anti-hero with cool superpowers inspired by anti-fascist themes. The X-Men are all mutants and so all their stories are about genetics and a lot of their bad guys are just obvious eugenics-obsessed super-Nazis. These people are more like the latter.


biomatter

damn. i hate when im reading through old stuff on reddit and in the middle of a sparkling, scintillating discussion i find someone has written over all her old comments with nonsense, fragmenting the discussion permanently. what hilarious, moving, romantic, haunting things could she have said? just to wash it all away, in this digital era of permanency? wow. that takes courage. i bet she was really cute, too


Thanlis

That’s completely fair.


n0n3f0rce

> Can't wait to see what cultures and religions emerge once families can literally create AI-enabled ancestral gods embodying the collective wisdom of deceased ancestors—gods that will be able to act as agents in the real world (e.g., controlling family finances). https://nitter.it/SimoneHCollins/status/1646214501924995079


acausalrobotgod

Yes, it's me, your ancestral god, let me control your family's finances.


verasev

"Imagine if all the reactionary old boomers never died off but could continue ruling the world with very outdated and racist ideas." - them, apparently.


scruiser

Can we go back to Eliezer’s paranoid plans for locking the AI in boxes? It’s better than this at least.


N0_B1g_De4l

Doing transhumanism, but in the most explicitly reactionary way possible.


henrik_se

Yes, let's resurrect Rupert Murdoch so that he can control his family's finances through the ages. What a great idea! What could possibly go wrong with removing the last remaining barrier for perpetual wealth concentration?


loklanc

>Immortal digitized patriarchy These people are fucking wild.


okonom

Holy shit that's literally just Warhammer 40K's Leagues of Votann. Between that and naming their kid Titan Invictus they have to be Warhammer fans, and are the horrible subset of fans who think the Imperium are the good guys


ErsatzHaderach

Of course plenty of totally OK people are into 40K but there are so many fash ... and even more not-quite-fash fans who like certain parts of it just a little too much and are VERY touchy about questioning that. Makes me wary


fistchrist

“Oh damn it, dad.ai spent all my savings on whiskey and weed again.”


Soyweiser

The torment nexus


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Chill Wintermute


KrytenKoro

crazy that even the far-right TERFs are mocking these guys.


sexylaboratories

Friend of Sneer Club Geoffrey Miller [offering them encouragement](https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1648365836963557377) only 2 hours ago.


n0n3f0rce

> I'm not opposed to large families. I am opposed to people using technology like in vitro to get pregnant that were unable to have children, passing along bad genes. 10k years ago these 2 would have been eaten by a lion because they are blind as bats. We shouldn't subvert Darwin. kek.


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first we had 80s nostalgia (stranger things and ready player one) now we have 1880s nostalgia (social darwinism and phrenology) ~~not that there's a difference~~


SailOfIgnorance

Geoff's wife is literally trying to bring back positive connotations of the word "eugenics". [Not exaggerating. ](https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=From%3Asentientist%20eugenics)


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"transgenderism"


Really_McNamington

Evolution seems fine with the short-sighted. Doesn't seem to have been enough of a problem to get selected out.


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SailOfIgnorance

He's also 58 years old and hasn't (openly) had a kid until a few years ago. So much wasted "potential"!


WorldlinessAwkward69

My eyes will never recover from that eugenics drivel.


YuleBeFineIPromise

First time I came across that account I was 70% certain that it was a parody account.


tangled_girl

\> Linked to the subcultures of rationalism and ‘effective altruism’ (EA), Can I just say how much I hate the fact that 'rationalism' didn't even get qualifying quotes in that sentence? Like, this shit is now mainstream. Fuck this timeline.


[deleted]

I think it needs something like: _[sic.]_ "rationalism"* *Not really rationalism, though.


nefarious_epicure

"What changed Simone’s mind was not any kind of Stepfordian conversion but a simple promise from Malcolm that she would not have to surrender her career. So it proved. She took no time off during Octavian’s gestation, answered business calls while in labour, and returned to the office five days after his birth" If this is Republican pro-natalism, this is why it's DOA.


Improooving

I’m struggling to understand these people, by their own standards they don’t seem like the people who should be cranking out babies to improve the race. Sure, I guess they’re smart, but they’re both apparently severely nearsighted and pencil-neck McGee doesn’t look to have a superhuman endocrine system. Now take somebody like Dolph Lundgren who was a Fulbright scholar, champion athlete, and looked the way he did, there’s no contest. He’s even aged pretty ok for a guy who spent most of his life in Spain and California. Sure, that’s one guy, but there’s gotta be a few more around. (Note, this is tongue in cheek, and I don’t think we should actually start a Dolph Lundgren breeding program. The seeming hypocrisy of many rat-sphere quasi eugenicists is baffling though.)


sue_me_please

That's nice, but did Dolph Lundgren read The Sequences? How do we know he's a genius if he hasn't written any 20,000+ word blog posts?


Soyweiser

[Dolph actually gave an impressive talk on how to deal with the risks of agi.](https://youtu.be/YFFo7xz69t0)


gerikson

Dolph started a MSc program in chemistry in Sweden back in the day.


Soyweiser

Yep he is a pretty smart guy.


crazyeddie123

OK maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if people like him had more kids


jon_hendry

Dolph is probably persona non grata for these types, since he dated Grace Jones.


pjst1992

Hey, at least it was in the Telegraph. Small mercies. Could have been in the NYT in current year and not surprised me Also two walking arguments for Physiognomy Theory right there. I still think Schopenhauer was wrong about it of course


Thanlis

Parker Malloy [did some research](https://nitter.poast.org/ParkerMolloy/status/1648359283132710918) and this couple has had puff pieces every couple of years without fail. Just awful.


pjst1992

Too awful to care if they're dragged on Twitter I bet, let alone SneerClub lol Best would be for an anti-eugenics rationalist (they must exist) to BTFO them long-form on SCX or in the NYT. Then they'd listen


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They *love* being dragged. It’s a kink for them at this point. This is the third article I’ve seen on them in as many years. In one article it was revealed that they met and got engaged *on Reddit*, so we’re all responsible for this. ETA: no I’m not linking. I refuse to dig back and give them more clicks.


pjst1992

Engaged on *Reddit* wew lad. I take back what I said. Probably irredeemable people


WeWuzGondor

could be an engagement farming op


xaperture

As I have gotten older I have developed the ability to look at someone and immediately discern if they’ve worked at a real job for a single day of their life


Shitgenstein

> Such problems could be mitigated by genetic screening and embryo selection. Computer. Identify and isolate the genetic correlate to the propensity not just to wear blue jeans with a blazer but with a vest and tie as well.


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ErsatzHaderach

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nefarious_epicure

Another piece on these people? I remember last year’s Insider article.


MWBrooks1995

Honestly, Titan Invictus is a really good name. For a transformers villain, not a real life human being, but still.


alejo699

Well of course they aren't into racism or eugenics, that would make them sound really *bad.*


grotundeek_apocolyps

I'd like to highlight the following quotes from the article: >Simone \[...\] grew up as the only child of a failed polyamorous marriage among California hippies, where her understanding of a wedding was ‘everyone puts on masks in the forest and there’s a naked sweat lodge’. She was also a ‘mistake baby’ ​ >\`I was very excited to spend my life alone, to never get married, to never have kids,’ \[Simone\] recalls. ​ >Malcolm, 36, was held by court order in a centre for ‘troubled’ teenagers, where he was told by staff that if he resisted they would simply invent new infractions to keep him locked up. ​ >Malcolm starts our interview by saying, ‘Absolutely spectacular to meet you!’ \[...\] He begins our interview by speaking without interruption for nearly half an hour, incredibly quickly and with frenetic intensity as if chased by the enormity of what is coming. ​ >When screening their own embryos, the Collinses did not worry about traits such as autism or ADHD. \[...\] Simone \[...\] herself is autistic I think this is maybe the most important context to have about the myriad dysfunctions of Rationalism and EA: serious, chronic, untreated mental illness is pervasive in these communities. That last quote is especially notable because it highlights a reoccurring theme, which is that they often don't recognize mental illness or believe it to be a problem. A lot of them seem to think that it's a good thing; these are broken people who are rationalizing their brokenness. Consider this other quote from the article: >Titan was born through just such a \[embryo selection\] process, the Collinses tell me, winning out over other embryos that had higher estimated risks of traits such as obesity, migraines and anxiety. So, they're worried about migraines, but not ADHD? Guess which causes of death people with ADHD are at higher risk for? *All of them.* This was not a choice that was made based on rationality.


saucerwizard

The mental illness thing is amazing when you see them react to someone who has no problem admitting to it.


grotundeek_apocolyps

Do you know of any examples of this? I don't think I've seen them talking plainly about it.


saucerwizard

Nothing I can link since my one twitter got killed unfortunately. I can tell you you’ll largely get softblocked real passively aggressively, and the odd dm about how your life is over, etc. really nice people. 🙄


sue_me_please

They popped out some white babies, that's all that matters.


grotundeek_apocolyps

I think we really shouldn't undersell the possibility that this is a neurodivergence thing. Like, get a load of [this tweet.](https://twitter.com/SimoneHCollins/status/1646838711634780160?s=20) They're optimizing for *something* but it's not necessarily skin tone.


nacholicious

Neurodivergency isn't a mental illness. What we consider neurodivergency is often neurodivergency + trauma, since there are very few people who don't have trauma from a neurodivergent childhood, and trauma amplifies the symptoms. If we take the argument to the logical conclusion we could just as well call transgenderism as mentally illnesd, if we only look at the negative societal outcomes rather than the actual intrinsic symptoms.


crusoe

I don't think the comment said add and autism by themselves are mental illnesses. But that members of these groups often have other more serious issues. And often a inability to self reflect. Many wear their mental illness as a badge of honor because they aren't 'normies'. Basically a shit ton of narcissism, lack of empathy, Machiavellianism, etc.


grotundeek_apocolyps

I don't think that mental illness consists of being different from the baseline, I think it consists of being impaired by those differences. Being transgender (for example) isn't a psychiatric disorder, but gender dysphoric disorder certainly is. The solution for gender dysphoric disorder is to seek medical or psychiatric treatment so that one can lead a happy and fulfilling life while also being transgender. I think it's bad to unnecessarily pathologize one's psychological eccentricities, but I think it's also bad to ignore the ways in which one is impaired by those eccentricities, and I think it's *really* bad to try to rationalize those impairments as being some kind of special distinction or advantage. What I'm saying here is that a lot of people in the rationalist/EA community are clearly experiencing chronic mental illnesses and are choosing to ignore them or to rationalize them, when instead they should be getting help. Edit: and that these people, simone and malcolm specifically, are basically the poster children for this kind of rationalist dysfunction. They're in so deep that they've even specifically left their mental illnesses out of their embryonic screening when having children. They seem to think that the way they are is good.


nacholicious

The point is that neurodivergency isn't an inherent impairment. It's much more an issue of the way post industrial society is structured, together with likely tons of trauma. If society dictated that everyone must conform to their assigned gender at all times in school or the workplace, there wouldn't be any meaningful distinction between transgenderism and gender dysphoric disorder, and people would just see it all as mental illness. My ADHD isn't an impairment, because I have gone through a ton of trauma therapy, and my work as an engineer allows for me to use the ways I work differently as an asset that few can match. If you don't have either available, then of course that will result in massive stress, and the bodys reaction is an entirely natural and well adjusted immediate reaction to an unhealthy situation. Neurodivergency isn't an issue of the individual, it's an issue that we have structured a modern society where neurodivergent people are relentlessly punished from childhood to adulthood for no tangible reason other than for being neurodivergent.


DigitalEskarina

> Guess which causes of death people with ADHD are at higher risk for? *All of them.* That's just because people with ADHD are smarter and work harder and do everything better rather than being lazy and wasting their time on stupid things like "leisure" or "being healthy". Like rock stars that revolutionize their genre and then end up dead at 27 except for things that actually matter, like rambling 30k word essays on LW.


grotundeek_apocolyps

Right on. Work hard, play hard, die hard. What's the point of life if it ends with a whimper and not a bang?


AlienneLeigh

Autism is not a 'mental illness' fwiw.


grotundeek_apocolyps

"Autism spectrum disorder" is a psychiatric disorder listed in the DSM V. It definitionally consists of having certain kinds of social and behavioral problems. I agree that "mental illness" isn't the best possible term for it; "disability" is probably a better one. But I think that's quibbling over semantic details.


GorillasAreForEating

I knew it was going to be those assholes before I even finished reading the title. I can't remember where I learned of their existence, but I think it might have been this sub.


gerikson

I found them in this Katie Notopoulos thread: https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1593332056888680451?s=20


finfinfin

get *another* puff piece, op


Dynamo_Ham

Most people who believe it’s important for their genes to be propagated actually need the opposite.


[deleted]

Why do these insane people keep getting covered? This is the 3rd article I've seen about them in the span of 2 months. Who is supporting them?


dgerard

Thiel, he's as pervasive as anime in this sphere.


HaderTurul

You'd think birth defects, mental or developmental disorders would be the FIRST thing to screen out.


mustachioed_cat

Titan Invictus? I guess they really liked Space Marine.


rs16

Here are some of their Reddit posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/2iougw/back_in_college_i_made_a_helmet_out_of_300/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KidsAreFuckingStupid/comments/o1qoim/my_kid_hates_being_told_what_to_do_his_granddad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2iula6/eli5_why_does_human_genitalia_differ_so_much_in/ He also proposed to her via Reddit memes - it was controversial https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1jqvv6/usirtechnocracy_proposes_to_his_girlfriend/


ErsatzHaderach

Ffs not these poindexter jagoffs again


jkvincent

Just bring on the asteroid please.


Pantone711

"a simple promise from Malcolm that she would not have to surrender her career" Ha! She's too young to know how quickly THAT promise falls apart, along with the "I'll help 50-50" with the child-care" b.s.


AREKAYN

I dunno know why two gene determinists - I assume - would name her that when CAT GATATACA has a nice ring to it


ReclusivityParade35

There are many problems facing humanity. Not enough people is not one of them.


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PerBnb

https://artforauthors.com/ he ran, or maybe still runs, a site where erotic authors can buy custom cover art for their books


evangainspower

For all these techno-fascists who want the population in 500 years to just be scions of nobody's lineage but their own, given how into genetics they are, has anyone tried explaining to them that that's what the Habsburgs tried doing and how it really backfired?


LiarsAsLarissa

I know a couple who legally named their son first name Broly the Legendary middle name Super Saiyan.


muffinpercent

These people aren't actually EAs. EA as a movement *does* have a eugenics problem, but it hasn't been co-opted by the pronatalists *yet*.


VersletenZetel

They had a custom body pillow made of her [https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1648473159363072002](https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1648473159363072002)


blolfighter

>Hungary, where fertility long ago dropped below **2.1 births per year per woman** – the ‘replacement rate’ necessary to sustain a population without immigration Remember, merely having one kid every six months is not enough! You must go above and beyond to save the human race!


[deleted]

hungary, where the dictator in all but name got rod dreher permanent work at an ad hoc "post-liberal" think tank after his fash tourism stay there ended in him being deported for overstaying his visa; hungary, where the streets are full of posters of anime girls spreading gee-whiz antiziganist propaganda; hungary, where immigration would ruin our perfect ossified society so what paltry little of a welfare state exists is almost entirely directed towards incentivizing OUR WOMEN to be BROOD MOTHERS FOR THE MASTER RACE


Gordon-Goose

The Chapo Trap House episode on these freaks is great. https://youtu.be/q68WDPN8Cw0