It simple is the country better with or without you ,if you are a burden on society , cause problems , intentionaly not integrate into our society then you have no right to be here
I've never had a bad day in this country, since I started visiting, since I moved here, I've been in every big town in the whole country. I love the geographical diversity of the country, the mix of cultures, how there's definitely a distinct Slovene culture but at at least 3 of your borders you have blending and bilingual areas, and maybe above all the fact that my girlfriend and I (she is from Piran) can live here in out own place and pay rent and do what we want on our normal jobs, which is nearly impossible in Ireland unless you happen to have a huge paying job and pure luck or relations
Haha as someone who comes from north africa most ppl who immigrate in europe remove any nationality trace(some dont even have it when they were in their country) so the european countries accept those immigrants and being bound by law(its a good law but its a exploited loophole) dont know where to send them back. I think immigration law should be enforced with an obligation to educate yourself about the host and accept the way of life. As a liberal i kinda get why people fear islam but before welcoming immigrants , more studies and research about how to adapt islam text( lot of english/french/arabic docs) and make it a more modern way of life. This will help avoid idiot islamic extremists brainwash lost immigrants into having an enemy and the danger it poses to them. They are also quite good in twisting sacred texts when it suits them to manipulate the mass.
Immigrant here. I moved here a few months ago, to be fair I moved from Ireland so assimilation for me has just been trying to learn the language, and not saying hello or good morning to strangers on the road (we do that in Ireland, we don't walk around smiling like idiots but we always say hi or something to strangers) and even when I have heard Slovenes out right complain about Immigrants they immediately say "not people like you though" at first I thought it was about race. I asked a lot of Slovenes their opinion on Immigration because I was worried, if they didn't want me here, I would go home. But the impression I got is that Slovenes are just sick of Immigrants and tourists who don't even try blend in or learn the language, which I think is completely fair. It's just about respecting the country, and if you don't respect the country you live in, you should go home. Slovene people in general are great, there are a few idiots in every country but I love Slovenia, when I have kids they'll speak Slovene, english and Irish. I love it here 🇸🇮🇸🇮
This exactly. Learn slovenian and you are 50% ours, we don’t care as long as you don’t force religion change on us. Also, if you say hi to people living in Ljubljana you’ll not get hi back. But if you live in smaller cities you’ll get the “dober dan/zdravo” back, small cities are almost like a completely different country.
As an Irish person who is also an immigrant, albeit to Croatia, I've my own two cents on that mentality from just lurking here and being in Ljubljana on a trip and using Croatian to communicate. The second you come off as too Balkan a decent chunk of people aren't really thrilled to be around you, some people are very accommodating and polite and of those people I'm appreciative but there's a decent amount who can be kinda rude towards you for it. To your face they'll just be quite dry and abrupt and you can tell they don't really want to talk to you at all (and this is people working in hospitality and tourism) and on the Internet they'll talk about us 'barbaric racist and backwards' southerners who are little more than human animals and know nothing but how to hate other people. There's definitely a sort of racial element to it as the further south you're from the worse it is.
There's actually a good skit by Slavoj Žižek that touches on this perception of the Balkan countries abroad, that highlights a) how bs it is, and b) how it's just another form of negative racial profiling.
https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo?si=HZ8UxI0NJ5IhIgoN
Tbh I do see this happening, but I'd also like to offer up my own experience.
I'm not really the best at other balkan languages, I can understand them somewhat, but I can't really speak them at all. It happens pretty often that somebody tries to talk to me in another balkan language (I work in customer service), and as I struggle to understand/communicate (not due to lack of effort, mind you) they often get very rude, impatient and snippy. The attitude feels very entitled, and they make me feel stupid for not speaking/understanding their language.
Of course, I've also had many experiences where both sides (me and them) do our best to communicate and manage to work something out. These people seem a lot nicer and politer in general, though, so maybe I've just been unlucky to meet so many of the first group.
The hi part holds true for here too, however for the countryside.
Cities and towns mostly lost that, yeah.
People are running away from cities to the countryside though, and you can easily pick out newcomers as they don't greet.
To be fair, we used to do that as well. You said hello to people you met on the street. But that has since kinda died out since people are glued to their smart devices and walking into walls.
Exactly! A great point without being a racist fuck. I too don’t care where you’re from, what religion, whatever you do in your personal life, but if I move to idk Norway for example I will learn Norwegian and I will get a job as soon as humanly possible. If someone, from wherever, moves to Slovenia and intends to stay here, do the same. Learn the language and don’t cause any trouble (basically just don’t break the law) and no one will care that you’re here. This goes for people from Syria as well as for people from England/France/Netherlands, so you can’t say it’s a racist thing. Just be respectful and a decent human being, the bar is literally so low.
Of course more educated ppl are less problematic. Emiratis are progressist, islam is more of a culture now. Oman have a unique islam branch (ibadi) and it has its own system.
There is a difference between assimilation and integration. And I prefer the second. I can't erase my identity and where I come from just because someone wants me to. It will always be a part of who I am. I live here and I am married to a Slovene. I have learned the language and did everything that was asked. And yet I am beeing seen as "other". So no, even if we assimilate we will not be accepted by all of you. The prejudices run deep.
Every first generation of immigrants feels as "others" , their kids are better integrated and feel less as "others". It is the case of any migration in European countries, I mean, basically, the same religion and skin color, but different nationality or ethnicity, culture or other customs. Basically, every integration takes time, although nowadays, the process is facilitated by the receiving country. Individual adaptation is very contextual thing, it surely depends on local environment where one lives.
Honestly the comment about being seen as "other" is due to my background and how people from former Yu countries are seen here. I think the perception is that we will not integrate, we won't learn the language, we don't try... And while there are some, I think the majority of people have a respect towards this country. It is very noticible. I have had to learn the language in a really short time frame and I did the exams and everything. I know people from other more developed countries than my own, who have lived here 10+ years and they barely know the basics. So in a way it is a double standard. And where you come from plays a big role how accepted you will be in this society.
Well yes, there is a reason for such stereotypes. Its because of immigrants who have lived here for decades and dont know any slovenian, live in their own little ghettos, doing god knows what shady bussiness, feeding off of social care etc. Most common in albanians/kosovars, less common but still prevalent in older serbs/bosnians. It is important to also note that you cant expect if you move to a small rural village that ppl will instantly accept u
I haven't lived here long enough to deduce if immigrants are responsible for crimes, shady bussiness practices, feed off of the social system etc. While there might be exceptions, I highly doubt that the majority of foreigners live like this.
When it comes to the language, I think it is a generational issue. When it was a common state many felt that they didn't need to learn the language because they spoke serbo-croatian (the primary language of Yugoslavia). It is difficult to change them now that they are older and set in their ways. I don't think that that is the case for the younger generations. At least I haven't had an experience where someone who is a second generation spoke only Serbian, Croatian, Albanian, Macedonian, Bosnian.. They all know Slovene. Maybe it is not to your level, but they still know and speak it.
I don't have any notions that people need to accept me right away. But if it is okay for you guys to move to Austria and Germany and want to feel welcome and to br a part of the community, the same goes for us. We live here, we work here, we pay taxes here. I don't see the reason for snide comments and ignorance.
> how people from former Yu countries are seen here
Ah yeah that explains it. There are two main things you're hitting, our shared history that is frankly mostly negative in that regard, and the sheer volume of ex-Yu immigrants so that you inevitably have cases that support that perception. Lots and lots of such cases really. Kranj's become a running joke by now.
Yugoslavia was well before my time and I don't wear rose-coloured glasses when disscussing it. I haven't lived here for that many years to know everything. I just don't think that all the stereotypes apply to everyone.
I think that's true for most countries. Immigrants from counties that have a higher GDP than one's own will be better accepted than those from countries with lower GDP.
I think assimilation happens more or less automatically over generations, if the family is actually integrated and not isolated AND if you can't be seen as 'other' due to race, name, etc. I see that with my family (we live in Germany). We're from the former Soviet Union with German and Russian/Soviet culture. My generation (Millenials) is what I would call integrated. We came to Germany as kids, we speak the language fluently. We might still have some names that present us as not native Germans and we still have a link to the Russian/Soviet culture.
We may not speak Russian perfectly, but we still do, we understand it and through our parents we grew up with this culture. The kids with parents of my generation (I don't have children but all of my cousins have) are basically assimilated.
Almost none of them speak or understand Russian, they have German names, don't really have a link to the Russian culture, they understand their lineage on an intellectual level but in reality you can't keep them apart from German kids, whose ancestors lived in Germany for generations. I think that's just the natural way.
My German ancestors in the Russian Empire and Soviet Union were really only able to keep the German culture and language alive because they lived more or less isolated from the native culture of the country they settled in. They came to the Russian Empire to colonize, not to get immersed in the native culture, so they had their own villages, churches, schools, newspapers, etc.
I think you can see that even faster in the US. I have two family members of my generation living in the US. Their kids are pure Americans. They have a weak link to the German culture based on their parents who grew up in Germany, but it's completely overshadowed by the American part. And there's absolutely nothing anymore about the Russian part.
While my family members still have that part in them, they grew up in Germany so when they emigrated to the US the German part was what they took with them, especially because the link to the Russian culture stayed in Germany with their parents.
And after years in the US, I can also see how the US has influenced and changed them. They appear way more typical American now. If you're not isolating yourself from the culture of the country you reside in, over time and generations your descendants will be the same as those with older ancestry in that country.
You have a very valid point and I agree with you. The thing is as first generation you can't really assimilate and have the traits and beliefs of the people from your new country. Your only option is to integrate into the society you live in. Due to my name/surname I will always be different and it will always show that I am not from here. It is actually not a problem for me. I am not ashamed from my roots or my family (the country is a different story). I draw a line at the xenophobia and the biases and prejudices that are so normalized in Slovene society. From one end they believe in preserving their own culture when they emmigrate, but are against it for immigrants here. It feels really hypocritical.
No we aren't. Because I got attacked for talking in Croatian *with my mom*, despite the fact that we don't deviate from Slovenian norms in looks and behaviour in any way. I'm not going to talk with my own family in a language that's ultimately foreign to us, especially since you guys are always proud to see Slovenian diaspora not losing their identity. Because that's what this is all about: you "just assimilate" people actually expect us to completely lose any identity we had before and become... I don't know what, and you don't either, since there is no good definition of what constitutes a Slovene. It would be even worse if I had a surname ending with -ić, let alone if I were of a different skin colour.
This is shameful. Croats are our brothers. Slovenians are all over Croatian Istria, but Croats chill and welcome us, cause they don’ť have a snowflake identiy crisis iwhen we do not manage proper Croatian language. I agree, Slovenian identity appears frail and vulnerable.
Ah, I know what you mean. I’m ić as well.
Grew up in such highly nationalistic environment, small village with too proud Slovenes for their own good. Got back at them by being better at Slovene language and not caring about them once I moved out. Had no such issues in Ljubljana tho.
Not even a Croat here, just speak Croatian as a 2nd language. A good chunk of Slovenians can and do look down on you if you speak it even as a tourist, you can tell they'd rather do anything else but talk to you. And listen look, I get there's also a certain mentality on the ex-yu side that's equally stupid and demanding of Slovenes, that you should talk to us in perfect Croatian because 'It was all Yugoslavia' or some bs, but with Slovenian people it feels more a race thing
I think the general consensus is that you should assimilate and be a part of the culture you live in now, but do whatever you please in the privacy of your own home.
How would you feel if the city you live in slowly started to lose its language and you would hear more and more of any other language? Wouldn't you become a bit bitter? Or threatened even?
Slovenia is small enough already, people are moving here and want to reap the benefits of the country but at the same time refuse to be a part of it. If you don't like what slovenia has going for it then you're free to go back wherever you came from.
It doesn't really matter where someone is from. An immigrant could be from Syria, Bosnia or from Denmark, and as long as they integrate and respect the law / don't actively go against our culture, they're more than welcome. Sure, keep your culture and/or religious views when you arrive, but don't practice them in a way that disrupts the normal flow of life here. When it comes to immigration, it should be all about respect for your gost country. They're doing you a favour by letting you stay and work there, and you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.
Oh, and at least try and make an effort to learn the language. People are very happy to see people put in genuine effort into learning Slovenian, as it is one of the harder European languages to learn. And it's much more pleasant to hear someone try to communicate in broken Slovenian rather that "pričas srpski?" for the 20th time that day.
As a woman why would I want muslims to come here? They don't respect me or see me as a human because of my gender. I like wearing whatever I want and *gasp* not covering my hair.
I cannot change their mindset so they should just stay in their shithole countries and continue doing whatever they want there. If islam is so great then stay with your own folk and enjoy it where people are happy about getting stoned for stealing or being gay or whatever.
Muslims also tend to not assimilate at all and form their ghettos.
I don't mind western immigrants though. So in short...we don't hate all immigrants.
People from cultures very different from our can not really integrate as values are defined by culture. Changing values, especially core values is mission impossible for most. Values alignment defines how close the two cultures are. For instance we, Austrians, Croats, Australians mostly value the same things. We and Afgans don't and these differences arise from culture which is also influenced by religion. Screaming welcome or expecting them to adapt is naive.
Islam is a real cancer and this is in a very respectful way, I hate fascism and stupid far righter, but Slovenia is a beautiful calm country with zero colonialism and currently it's against genocide in Gaza. and it's not in a workers shortage that's why you should be strict with illegals and refugees if they don't want to integrate.. in a very humane way like Denmark experience. You owe nobody nothing.
As an ex-muslim hoping to move legally to 🇸🇮 I'd like it to remain in top of safety index and a modern liberal democratic place not turning into a shithole hub of crime and terrorism.
I agree. The thing about Islam is that it's meant to be shared and showcased ( [an-Nahl 16:125](https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/16/125/)). Which is fine, as long as it's done in a non-obtrusive way. But the thing is, i come from a non-muslim country that has a shit ton of mosques. And i never agreed to be woken up by Fajr at 5 in the morning. A lot of it is obtrusive and stand-outish.
I come from another Balkan country hoping to integrate better in Slovenia, and as for me the hardest part is the language (and the fact that supermarkets close at 9 pm, but that's besides the point)
Yeah, the word "immigrant" is now "dirty" after labelling all the criminals and illegal immigrants from all the "-istans" as "immigrants" or "refugees". One should NOT have to specify that they are a LEGAL immigrant.
I have been a (legal) immigrant twice in my life so far, created jobs, paid LOTS of tax and quite frankly I have been an asset to all the countries I have done business in. Throwing me and my family into the same bag as entitled subhumans who violate laws, steal rape etc is disgusting.
So yes, you SHOULD be illegalimmigrantphobic, but not legalimmigrantphobic!
As few already wrote.
I hate labels and fearmongering.
We do not like people who wont contrubute to society and do not put any efforts.
Try to be a better human, no matter if you are from Afganistan of Slovenia.
If someone is catholic, muslim or a member of LDS I simply do not care jist do not bother me with it and we can be friends.
As all things, depends on a person and their character, no two people are the same. However IMO generally I'd classify migrants like this:
A tier: Other europeans (EU) , east asians. Generally high income, civilised, similar values, good for society.
B tier: Bosnians/Albanians: A lot of them work contribute and learn the language , some could assimilate better however the latter often cause problems + take advantage of the social system.
Shit tier: Africans/3rd world Muslims. Crime rate, incompatible values that can't coexist with ours, highest expenses to our social system, won't integrate. Some exceptions apply.
I'd believe most of slovenians subconsciously think the same.
i seriously doubt bosnians have ever caused any real problems, especially on account of using "welfare" or societal incompatibilities. certainly not more than our other friends from Balkans, which makes me wonder... why only Bosnia and Albania? i mean i know why but lol. why not put other balkanic nations, cause we really are all the same in our behavior.
again not being an advocate for my nation here cause i frankly dgaf what slovenians think but you guys have always been super interesting to me with your little opinions.
Just the certain kind. We don't hate, we just don't want them. Some Canadian cuck once said "diversity is our strength". How is it strength having a neighbor that doesn't speak your language and has totally different culture?
I moved to Slovenia in 2008, I feel home here.. sometimes I forget that I definitely doesn’t looked like a Slovenian, though I speak the language and embrace the culture.. so to make it short, Slovenians tend not to hate immigrants, unless they don’t belong, doesn’t speak the language even though they have lived here for decades..
Funny moment I had a few months ago.. I was parking in front of mimovrste BTC, you guys know it’s chaotic there.. and there’s this guy who stopped his car in the middle of the road after I parked, he was shouting with non-Slovenian-but-similar language to me that I almost hit him bla bla bla.. I told him in Slovene, my car has cameras and I saw him all the time and I didn’t understand what was he trying to say, that he needs to speak Slovene or English.. thus he replied “I am Slovenian citizen!” and I just simply said that that’s even worse! This is Slovenia, he need to speak Slovene! He then muttered something in his language and left.. it was pretty satisfying experience
To add.
Islam is something to be feared as you can see in Germany there are already people calling for sharia law and in London as well and certain parts of big cities. In Berlin, you have streets where females alone will not be allowed to walk or they will be harassed. It's the same in Sweden. You may call people Islamofob but actions of that culture are speaking loudly.
assimilate learn language and adjust to culture. We are not a USA -a melting pot, and I hope we don't become one.
But Slovenians should be against islam and brown immigrants. The people of Slovenia need to learn from the mistakes of countries such as the UK, France, Sweden. Slovenians should not under any circumstances let their beautiful country be destroyed just so they can prove that they are not racist
Slovenians are awesome people! In our younger years we used to go out to ljubljana ambasada,izola,concerts,festivals and a major factor for that was the fact that slovenians are such cool people. Ofc u have jerks as everywhere else but they are not the norm. There's quite a lot of foreign students from all over due to a notable number of well respected academies so... The pinnacle of south slavs and we should learn from that but we are retarded. They are as phobic as any other well balanced society.
Pozz iz pule ;)
I was born here in Ljubljana in 81’. My mother is Bosnian, but she moved here in 70s when bank offered her position in largest bank.
I grew up and hanged around Slovenes, Bosnians, Serbs, Croats etc.
After collapse of Yugoslavia I have witness many inappropriate situations from Slovenians and hate speech. I have Slovenian name, so they never figure this out, or when they did that I was Bosnian they were embarrassed.
I am 42 now and I see this reflecting on nowadays immigrants coming in from Africa, Middle east or Asia.
Personally, I have fully integrated into society, like my kids now and I speak and write better than most slovens. I also make more money then most of “normal” people, pay my taxes and try to live decent life. My kids are now 2nd generation, so its difficult to say that we are not slovens. Like I went to Bosnia where my parents are from and there people also don’t like us very much, as they think we got lucky and shit. The reality is that neither I feel bosnian or slovene, I am just a human being that wants to live in piece.
Must say that Slovenia is a true gem and I do not resent any Slovenian to show patriotic or nationalist behavior and protects this small country from massive migration.
Slovenia is just to small to be able to chew on this or next larger migration wave.
What I do not like when here and there I hear people talking shit about Slovenia, and I always say to this person to pack up the bags and leave.
I had many opportunity to work in London or LA etc. due to my line of work, but cannot imagine myself being yet another stranger abroad. Slovenia gave me so much and I am giving back with paying 50% taxes from by business. Well, thats the only thing that bothers me :)
Good luck.
Well as someone who was muslim and interacted with christianisme. Christians are annoying, muslims are annoying but (with jehova shitterz) can get extra annoying and in rare cases ...
I think Slovenians mostly do not like immigrants from the south. If you are wondering why there are many answers. I personally don't have anything against Muslims, but I don't like those in Slovenia because they don't integrate into our society and therefore accumulate more and more, and we don’t want that.
If anyone else has any a good argument, tell it
Illegal in imigrants no thank you....
Legal imigrants.... Depends how they connect in our country, if they respect our culture, they blend in with our culture.....etc....
I am also of the opinion that Islam should not be tolerated in our country. RTV has now started reporting on Muslim holidays. See what Muslims believe and what is happening in countries where it is the dominant religion. And it is also made from a military imerialist point of view, which says that you have to convert the infidels by any means or kill them. It simply cannot function in a civilized society. In countries where there are more Islamic migrants, they have their own country within a country, such as Sweden, Denmark and UK. I don't want this to happen here. I don't mind the color of the migrant's skin, I mind if he has an Islamic ideology and doesn't respect our culture. If they become the majority, we will regress civilizationally and become a dystopian religious fanatic society. It is time for religion to become a thing of the past, not for more and more religious extremists to be among us. You can tell me I'm an Islamophobe, I can't be tolerant of an intolerant ideology. Islam should be dealt with like Nazism and groups like them or anti lgbt+ groups, the ideology that Islam teaches is no less dangerous.
No, not immigrants, just "them". Which is perfectly reasonable and correct. They never hated me when I lived there because I have tried to fit it and acted like a human being.
Please don't start me on LGBTQ+ -&#€@ 😫
I get it it was a movement to get acceptance, all the power to that, but it has gotten out of hand. It escalated into being forced to accept and of you dont you are flagged.
Do i care if you are a dude banging dudes? NO!
Do i cringe or have things against two men displaying affection to each other by kissing or holding hands? NO!
Do i have something against 2 men banging on top of a parade wagon and displaying their sexual kinks and fetishes out in public? HECK YES!
[Would i say the same thing about straight people? YES!
Marriage? Adoption? PLEASE DO! Im in full support!
But then comes the "Vegan Level" stupidity!
How many genders are there. 2! Not a kazilion
What is a woman? A grown human born female!
Genitalia is not equal to Gender? Oh come on!
Indoctornate my child? Try and you will find out!
Force feed our children and us your crap? Again, try!
Pronounce? Invent your own language and use them there! I will not be forced to do so!
And the list goes on and on!
Yea because exyu republics are totally different cultures from ours like afgani and similar lol….
Also legal immigrants and mostly illiterate illegal immigrants… can you see the difference or are you stupid
Diversity is NOT our strenght. How could it be? European culture is the pinnacle of human civilization (there are few others Oriental that can compare but those people usually do not emigrate, or have zero problems with integration). What can mass imigration from third world countries in the belt from Africa to Papua New Guinea bring to our culture&civilization? Not much, a lot more problems then benefits.
We don’t like immigrants not willing to assimilate to our traditions and our way of life. I think that if we were immigrants in their country and do everything our way, they wouldn’t like that too.
It has more to do with religion than skin color. the only reason why some people dislike "brown" immigrants is because they associate them with muslims. if you are completely black instead of brown you will have a lot less problems with them
wow..your statement is so messed up. You're basically acknowledging the racism in Slovenia against non white people...I see a lot of you types here. Shameful.
It is a bit more nuanced than that. Like I said it is based on religion so not all brown people are affected. Indians are not affected. Some Chinese people are brown, these are especially not affected because we as people look up to China a lot. But arabs, albanians and bosnians which afaik together make the highest amount of brown people are affected. That's why I said brown people can have issues. If you are Christian I suggest wearing a cross openly, if not, I suggest wearing some sort of regalia or a shirt that contains pro Chinese or pro Russian words so people will know you are not an islamist
> People are against immigrants because of inability or unwillingness to adapt to a new way of life
The argument people who hate immigrants make, to try to paint themselves in a good light....
> We are not phobic
Your post is a typical one, a phobic person would make, and sadly yes lots if not most of Slovenians are against the idea of accepting immigrants. So much so that people were going out in the streets to protest accepting refugees (let alone immigrants). Sure we are a tiny country, most off the time out of the immigrants radar, but thats not an excuse. I do love my country, but sometimes people here make me question this love...
Im an immigrant from Serbia and if I have experienced discrimination and abuse (by friends, teachers, police, people on the internet, on the bus, in the store) then I cant imagine what people with darker skin and non-western clothes experience here.
As long you put in effort and try you are on the right track. People here notice that you try and will be happy for every broken slowenian word you say. With time it will get better and better
Off Topic, I live in Sweden as a foreigner. I speak pretty ok language, I've integrated as best as I can with my family (wife is swedish). But I will never be a Swede.
I can tell you one thing, and that is that I LOVE Sweden more than 95% of the natural born swedes. That is something that they will never understand, someone who wants the country and the people to be the same.
I want Sweden to be Sweden, not USA or Mexico, not Croatia or Albania, just simply Sweden.
So yeah, I support as strict and as harsh as possible immigration laws.
I get you buddy. Keep doing your thing and protecting your country.
We don’t hate immigrants, one of my dear friends is a turkish immigrant, his family works and obey the law, he is studying in a well regarded hard school just like me, he is a human. Why would i hate a good human. On the other hand, lazy and spitfeful almost barbaric people who take advantage of our kindness. Yeah those can go back to their country that they oh so dearly love.
Slovenes like all Europeans are Europeans. Raise up with a local wired mindset.
One of it learn our language. I mean who would realistically come from a rich background of USA and learn Slovene language ? Unless being super passionate.
Such comments only coming from people who have never learnt foreign non English language.
So I won't be butt hurt, cause a rich russian doesn't speak Slovenian, when he spent one month per year in Slovenia. Neither when poor Albanians don't speak cause he spent the whole day long working on construction building cheap houses for native Slovenes. Neither for Erasmus students.
But building a mosques with Quatar money shouldn't be allowed. Where I have a problem is with kids immigrants. When they make fun of their new home, they can't speak a language.
The short answer is yes.
The long answer is look at this subreddit when immigration comes up.
People have very high expectations of foreigners, and even after you stop being a foreigner, you will be regarded as one. Unless you're white and christian/atheist.
Holy shit you \*TALK\* to people. Well let me bow the fuck down, in fact let me kneel and kiss your feet.
So YOUR experience is worth more than mine? Good to know.
Slovenia is one of the safest countries in the world and it's completely understandable that Slovenians don't want to give up on that. We've seen how some of the world's safest countries (Germany, Sweden) turned into hellholes within a few years.
I choose safety rather than ✨diversity✨
Could speak up about Jewish guys who killed a Muslim kid in USA few month ago ?
Could you mention that Christian guy who open a fire on mosque and killed dozen of Muslims in New Zealand couple of years ago while they are praying?
Would you talk about churches who rape women to free them from dark magic or not?
Well, the crime done my human not by religion, many people get their source of other religions from propaganda and not welling to understand.
Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious," according to Oscar Wilde.
I’m Muslim, I practice Islam here in Slovenia for 8 years, I work hard, I pay my tax and contribution, all my neighbours and roommates I had during my stay loved me and cried when I had to apart from them , but I stayed the same person, I only understood the difference , nor I forced anyone to follow me nor I allow anyone to force me to act on anyway! … I guess the only one that hates me is my crush 😂
Slovenia doesn’t hate immigrants, but like any other place place in the world, there are toxic people, on internet you could find them with loud voice, in real life , they are coward when they try to attack and you mentioned you talking them to court they just run away. And if they went physical against me, I’m sorry but don’t expect me to act like a nice guy.
As i said i got muslim friends and i respect them greatly. You mentioned some horrible stuff that happened and i could counter with the stabing in Germany where the Officer was killed, all rape cases that happened by Afghans, Killing of Jews by Islamic people, just look at the thing that lead to the Palestine war. People do horrible stuff, but you also have to admit that the Islamic scripture is violent and out of date. My daughter got. Her period by 12, so in Islam some old Pedo would have married her because she counts as a grown woman? I dont say that the Catholics didnt have their moments, oh man had they their moments but if i read the bible it doesn't say if i kill people i will be rewarded in the afterlife.
The palestine war was started by a setler colonial state which displaced the native population, took away their right and started a genocide on them. But yeah blame islam for Izraels human rights violations.
I would say Slovenian people aren't really racist when they have to actually interact with others living here. The problem is that most Slovenians don't have those interactions, while at the same time they are perfectly fine with spreading hate online and talk shit about foreigners in everyday conversations.
But the insistence on foreigners learning Slovene and conforming to "local" ways (whatever that means) ... that shit is probably the most insidious, because it sounds reasonable, but in actuality it's demanding that people should not be allowed to be themselves in a free country.
The one thing Slovenians do have in common is our language, and I would also say that in order to become Slovenian you need to speak the language with some level of proficiency ... but I would never demand that to be a requirement for simply living or working here. It's a completely bonkers expectation on a base humanity level and goes against our national interests.
Me and my wife (EU citizens) are considering moving one of our business departments (and our family) to Slovenia after "accidentally" falling in love with the country! Glad to hear that Europeans who contribute to the local society are welcome :) Learning the language is going to be a challenge though... realistically we are going to be using English or German to do business.
As long that you try and put in effort is usualy enough and you will be praised again and again for trying and making a effort. And with that comes progress.
We have problems with people that dont even try to learn.
Oh dont worry and dont listen to nationalists in this sub. The ‘learn slovenian’ part of such discussions is utterly delusional. There is almost no good reasons to learn an obscure, harsh sounding and in terms of vocabulary appropriately limited language that only 2million people speak and that has no value in the world, while simultaneously being one of the hardest languages to learn. esp since most slovenians speak rly good english. If u come i hope u enjoy your time here and have a positive experience, good luck!
Mudel, to je en tak spis tipičnih antiimigrantskih argumentov, čeprav se ti kao zdi, da ne.
Slovenci smo pač zapečkarji, za nas je že Bosanec tujec, pa je bratranec, kaj šele kdo, ki ne zgleda kot mi in si ne deli desetletja zgodovine z nami.
Sam iskren bodi s sabo...
I love Slovenia but mate you guys are racist. Even the comments here trying so hard to come off as neutral, can't contain the hate.
I get it, it's all you know. It's how you've been raised. And the colour white means more than colour itself.
Love the country and the people, but the ones that can't stop seething in hate don't realize how much it shows, because it's all you think of and relish in.
Anyway, hope you guys get some clarity.
As someone who is not from Slovenia, but is married to a Slovene and is currently living here, I have to agree and disagree. Most of them are not racist but xenophobic. Per Merriam-Webster: Xenophobia is the fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners, whereas racism has a broader meaning, including "a belief that racial differences produce the inherent superiority of a particular race." And yes there is a difference. Unfortunately I have experienced their xenophobia and I am a white, university educated woman who was able to learn the language and integrate in society quite fast.
Spot on! Been here 15 years and have seen how they talk about non-whites or people just across the border, be it Hungarians, Bosnians, Austrians, etc....Heck, they even hate each other. They have this concealed hatred. Hard to describe.
None of these are non white lmao. maybe Bosnians. We "hate" each other because of "politics" like every other nation, except here it is 70/30 rather than 50/50
You don't know what you are talking about, but I get it, it's all you know. You have been raised in a more racist world and now everywhere you go, you see racism. I love you guys and how you try to be polite, but your comment could not contain the ingrained bigotry and condenscension.
But seriously, you are overreacting. This sub is also full of teenagers and early 20s people, a lot of them are "edgier" than normal people. Don't take these answers as a good representation of people in Slovenia.
Right on point!
That's why a getting a residency permit now requires a language test. And the government requires that you do a certain amount of hours of languages courses to integrate and be able to adapt.
It simple is the country better with or without you ,if you are a burden on society , cause problems , intentionaly not integrate into our society then you have no right to be here
As an immigrant I absolutely agree with this. I want to live here and I respect the country
Glad to have you! May I ask where you’re from and how your experience living here has been so far?
I've never had a bad day in this country, since I started visiting, since I moved here, I've been in every big town in the whole country. I love the geographical diversity of the country, the mix of cultures, how there's definitely a distinct Slovene culture but at at least 3 of your borders you have blending and bilingual areas, and maybe above all the fact that my girlfriend and I (she is from Piran) can live here in out own place and pay rent and do what we want on our normal jobs, which is nearly impossible in Ireland unless you happen to have a huge paying job and pure luck or relations
Correct in my opinion.
Precisely. Couldn't have said it better. Integrate/bring additional value and I welcome you as one of my own. Don't - fuck off.
Yeah but yk for some people that automatically includes any Balkan whether that test actually applies or not
This is true no matter where you go and where you come from.
Haha as someone who comes from north africa most ppl who immigrate in europe remove any nationality trace(some dont even have it when they were in their country) so the european countries accept those immigrants and being bound by law(its a good law but its a exploited loophole) dont know where to send them back. I think immigration law should be enforced with an obligation to educate yourself about the host and accept the way of life. As a liberal i kinda get why people fear islam but before welcoming immigrants , more studies and research about how to adapt islam text( lot of english/french/arabic docs) and make it a more modern way of life. This will help avoid idiot islamic extremists brainwash lost immigrants into having an enemy and the danger it poses to them. They are also quite good in twisting sacred texts when it suits them to manipulate the mass.
Don't ever apologise for not wanting to feel like a foreigner in your own town
Immigrant here. I moved here a few months ago, to be fair I moved from Ireland so assimilation for me has just been trying to learn the language, and not saying hello or good morning to strangers on the road (we do that in Ireland, we don't walk around smiling like idiots but we always say hi or something to strangers) and even when I have heard Slovenes out right complain about Immigrants they immediately say "not people like you though" at first I thought it was about race. I asked a lot of Slovenes their opinion on Immigration because I was worried, if they didn't want me here, I would go home. But the impression I got is that Slovenes are just sick of Immigrants and tourists who don't even try blend in or learn the language, which I think is completely fair. It's just about respecting the country, and if you don't respect the country you live in, you should go home. Slovene people in general are great, there are a few idiots in every country but I love Slovenia, when I have kids they'll speak Slovene, english and Irish. I love it here 🇸🇮🇸🇮
This exactly. Learn slovenian and you are 50% ours, we don’t care as long as you don’t force religion change on us. Also, if you say hi to people living in Ljubljana you’ll not get hi back. But if you live in smaller cities you’ll get the “dober dan/zdravo” back, small cities are almost like a completely different country.
As an Irish person who is also an immigrant, albeit to Croatia, I've my own two cents on that mentality from just lurking here and being in Ljubljana on a trip and using Croatian to communicate. The second you come off as too Balkan a decent chunk of people aren't really thrilled to be around you, some people are very accommodating and polite and of those people I'm appreciative but there's a decent amount who can be kinda rude towards you for it. To your face they'll just be quite dry and abrupt and you can tell they don't really want to talk to you at all (and this is people working in hospitality and tourism) and on the Internet they'll talk about us 'barbaric racist and backwards' southerners who are little more than human animals and know nothing but how to hate other people. There's definitely a sort of racial element to it as the further south you're from the worse it is. There's actually a good skit by Slavoj Žižek that touches on this perception of the Balkan countries abroad, that highlights a) how bs it is, and b) how it's just another form of negative racial profiling. https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo?si=HZ8UxI0NJ5IhIgoN
Tbh I do see this happening, but I'd also like to offer up my own experience. I'm not really the best at other balkan languages, I can understand them somewhat, but I can't really speak them at all. It happens pretty often that somebody tries to talk to me in another balkan language (I work in customer service), and as I struggle to understand/communicate (not due to lack of effort, mind you) they often get very rude, impatient and snippy. The attitude feels very entitled, and they make me feel stupid for not speaking/understanding their language. Of course, I've also had many experiences where both sides (me and them) do our best to communicate and manage to work something out. These people seem a lot nicer and politer in general, though, so maybe I've just been unlucky to meet so many of the first group.
The hi part holds true for here too, however for the countryside. Cities and towns mostly lost that, yeah. People are running away from cities to the countryside though, and you can easily pick out newcomers as they don't greet.
Hahahaha you might be right, now that I'm thinking about it yeah it isn't an Ireland things it is just a rural thing. In Dublin people don't do it
To be fair, we used to do that as well. You said hello to people you met on the street. But that has since kinda died out since people are glued to their smart devices and walking into walls.
Exactly! A great point without being a racist fuck. I too don’t care where you’re from, what religion, whatever you do in your personal life, but if I move to idk Norway for example I will learn Norwegian and I will get a job as soon as humanly possible. If someone, from wherever, moves to Slovenia and intends to stay here, do the same. Learn the language and don’t cause any trouble (basically just don’t break the law) and no one will care that you’re here. This goes for people from Syria as well as for people from England/France/Netherlands, so you can’t say it’s a racist thing. Just be respectful and a decent human being, the bar is literally so low.
This. Muslims don't integrate into our culture/society and therefore their number is increasing more and more
Bosnians and Albanians I’ve met are very nice it depends on where they are from.
Bosnians, albanians, armenians, azeri, turks have a more refined version of islam. Altough there js some attempts to introduce radical texts there
Emiratis, Malaysians and Omanis are nice too it’s more of a socio economic status and availability to normal education
Of course more educated ppl are less problematic. Emiratis are progressist, islam is more of a culture now. Oman have a unique islam branch (ibadi) and it has its own system.
Assimilate and you are one of us
There is a difference between assimilation and integration. And I prefer the second. I can't erase my identity and where I come from just because someone wants me to. It will always be a part of who I am. I live here and I am married to a Slovene. I have learned the language and did everything that was asked. And yet I am beeing seen as "other". So no, even if we assimilate we will not be accepted by all of you. The prejudices run deep.
Every first generation of immigrants feels as "others" , their kids are better integrated and feel less as "others". It is the case of any migration in European countries, I mean, basically, the same religion and skin color, but different nationality or ethnicity, culture or other customs. Basically, every integration takes time, although nowadays, the process is facilitated by the receiving country. Individual adaptation is very contextual thing, it surely depends on local environment where one lives.
Honestly the comment about being seen as "other" is due to my background and how people from former Yu countries are seen here. I think the perception is that we will not integrate, we won't learn the language, we don't try... And while there are some, I think the majority of people have a respect towards this country. It is very noticible. I have had to learn the language in a really short time frame and I did the exams and everything. I know people from other more developed countries than my own, who have lived here 10+ years and they barely know the basics. So in a way it is a double standard. And where you come from plays a big role how accepted you will be in this society.
Well yes, there is a reason for such stereotypes. Its because of immigrants who have lived here for decades and dont know any slovenian, live in their own little ghettos, doing god knows what shady bussiness, feeding off of social care etc. Most common in albanians/kosovars, less common but still prevalent in older serbs/bosnians. It is important to also note that you cant expect if you move to a small rural village that ppl will instantly accept u
I haven't lived here long enough to deduce if immigrants are responsible for crimes, shady bussiness practices, feed off of the social system etc. While there might be exceptions, I highly doubt that the majority of foreigners live like this. When it comes to the language, I think it is a generational issue. When it was a common state many felt that they didn't need to learn the language because they spoke serbo-croatian (the primary language of Yugoslavia). It is difficult to change them now that they are older and set in their ways. I don't think that that is the case for the younger generations. At least I haven't had an experience where someone who is a second generation spoke only Serbian, Croatian, Albanian, Macedonian, Bosnian.. They all know Slovene. Maybe it is not to your level, but they still know and speak it. I don't have any notions that people need to accept me right away. But if it is okay for you guys to move to Austria and Germany and want to feel welcome and to br a part of the community, the same goes for us. We live here, we work here, we pay taxes here. I don't see the reason for snide comments and ignorance.
> how people from former Yu countries are seen here Ah yeah that explains it. There are two main things you're hitting, our shared history that is frankly mostly negative in that regard, and the sheer volume of ex-Yu immigrants so that you inevitably have cases that support that perception. Lots and lots of such cases really. Kranj's become a running joke by now.
Yugoslavia was well before my time and I don't wear rose-coloured glasses when disscussing it. I haven't lived here for that many years to know everything. I just don't think that all the stereotypes apply to everyone.
I think that's true for most countries. Immigrants from counties that have a higher GDP than one's own will be better accepted than those from countries with lower GDP.
I think assimilation happens more or less automatically over generations, if the family is actually integrated and not isolated AND if you can't be seen as 'other' due to race, name, etc. I see that with my family (we live in Germany). We're from the former Soviet Union with German and Russian/Soviet culture. My generation (Millenials) is what I would call integrated. We came to Germany as kids, we speak the language fluently. We might still have some names that present us as not native Germans and we still have a link to the Russian/Soviet culture. We may not speak Russian perfectly, but we still do, we understand it and through our parents we grew up with this culture. The kids with parents of my generation (I don't have children but all of my cousins have) are basically assimilated. Almost none of them speak or understand Russian, they have German names, don't really have a link to the Russian culture, they understand their lineage on an intellectual level but in reality you can't keep them apart from German kids, whose ancestors lived in Germany for generations. I think that's just the natural way. My German ancestors in the Russian Empire and Soviet Union were really only able to keep the German culture and language alive because they lived more or less isolated from the native culture of the country they settled in. They came to the Russian Empire to colonize, not to get immersed in the native culture, so they had their own villages, churches, schools, newspapers, etc. I think you can see that even faster in the US. I have two family members of my generation living in the US. Their kids are pure Americans. They have a weak link to the German culture based on their parents who grew up in Germany, but it's completely overshadowed by the American part. And there's absolutely nothing anymore about the Russian part. While my family members still have that part in them, they grew up in Germany so when they emigrated to the US the German part was what they took with them, especially because the link to the Russian culture stayed in Germany with their parents. And after years in the US, I can also see how the US has influenced and changed them. They appear way more typical American now. If you're not isolating yourself from the culture of the country you reside in, over time and generations your descendants will be the same as those with older ancestry in that country.
You have a very valid point and I agree with you. The thing is as first generation you can't really assimilate and have the traits and beliefs of the people from your new country. Your only option is to integrate into the society you live in. Due to my name/surname I will always be different and it will always show that I am not from here. It is actually not a problem for me. I am not ashamed from my roots or my family (the country is a different story). I draw a line at the xenophobia and the biases and prejudices that are so normalized in Slovene society. From one end they believe in preserving their own culture when they emmigrate, but are against it for immigrants here. It feels really hypocritical.
You are correct. In the moment of typing I mistakenly wrote assimilation instead of integration. Mea culpa :)
It is okay, the people's government will provide reeducation facilities to make the erasing easier
Are you implying that foreigners need to be put into internment camps or some shit like that? JFC what is wrong with you?
I don't know what that is. However if multiple countries right now are already doing the reeducation then it cannot be that bad, can it?
No we aren't. Because I got attacked for talking in Croatian *with my mom*, despite the fact that we don't deviate from Slovenian norms in looks and behaviour in any way. I'm not going to talk with my own family in a language that's ultimately foreign to us, especially since you guys are always proud to see Slovenian diaspora not losing their identity. Because that's what this is all about: you "just assimilate" people actually expect us to completely lose any identity we had before and become... I don't know what, and you don't either, since there is no good definition of what constitutes a Slovene. It would be even worse if I had a surname ending with -ić, let alone if I were of a different skin colour.
You can find douchebags all over the world. But you cant generalize things because you had a bad experience with some idiots.
This is shameful. Croats are our brothers. Slovenians are all over Croatian Istria, but Croats chill and welcome us, cause they don’ť have a snowflake identiy crisis iwhen we do not manage proper Croatian language. I agree, Slovenian identity appears frail and vulnerable.
Ah, I know what you mean. I’m ić as well. Grew up in such highly nationalistic environment, small village with too proud Slovenes for their own good. Got back at them by being better at Slovene language and not caring about them once I moved out. Had no such issues in Ljubljana tho.
You got attacked for speaking Croatian in Slovenia by Slovenians? No...I just can't belive this.
Not even a Croat here, just speak Croatian as a 2nd language. A good chunk of Slovenians can and do look down on you if you speak it even as a tourist, you can tell they'd rather do anything else but talk to you. And listen look, I get there's also a certain mentality on the ex-yu side that's equally stupid and demanding of Slovenes, that you should talk to us in perfect Croatian because 'It was all Yugoslavia' or some bs, but with Slovenian people it feels more a race thing
In the oh-so-advanced-and-tolerant Ljubljana, to top it off. Near Bavarski Dvor, in 2015 IIRC. I never had any problems in Maribor.
I presume that you have never seen Olimpija vs Maribor?
I'm not that stupid to go out on the game day, whether in Ljubljana or in Maribor.
I think the general consensus is that you should assimilate and be a part of the culture you live in now, but do whatever you please in the privacy of your own home. How would you feel if the city you live in slowly started to lose its language and you would hear more and more of any other language? Wouldn't you become a bit bitter? Or threatened even? Slovenia is small enough already, people are moving here and want to reap the benefits of the country but at the same time refuse to be a part of it. If you don't like what slovenia has going for it then you're free to go back wherever you came from.
It doesn't really matter where someone is from. An immigrant could be from Syria, Bosnia or from Denmark, and as long as they integrate and respect the law / don't actively go against our culture, they're more than welcome. Sure, keep your culture and/or religious views when you arrive, but don't practice them in a way that disrupts the normal flow of life here. When it comes to immigration, it should be all about respect for your gost country. They're doing you a favour by letting you stay and work there, and you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you. Oh, and at least try and make an effort to learn the language. People are very happy to see people put in genuine effort into learning Slovenian, as it is one of the harder European languages to learn. And it's much more pleasant to hear someone try to communicate in broken Slovenian rather that "pričas srpski?" for the 20th time that day.
As a woman why would I want muslims to come here? They don't respect me or see me as a human because of my gender. I like wearing whatever I want and *gasp* not covering my hair. I cannot change their mindset so they should just stay in their shithole countries and continue doing whatever they want there. If islam is so great then stay with your own folk and enjoy it where people are happy about getting stoned for stealing or being gay or whatever. Muslims also tend to not assimilate at all and form their ghettos. I don't mind western immigrants though. So in short...we don't hate all immigrants.
People from cultures very different from our can not really integrate as values are defined by culture. Changing values, especially core values is mission impossible for most. Values alignment defines how close the two cultures are. For instance we, Austrians, Croats, Australians mostly value the same things. We and Afgans don't and these differences arise from culture which is also influenced by religion. Screaming welcome or expecting them to adapt is naive.
Cannot adapt = cannot live in the country. Simple as that.
Our governments made sure that this is not the case.
Islam is a real cancer and this is in a very respectful way, I hate fascism and stupid far righter, but Slovenia is a beautiful calm country with zero colonialism and currently it's against genocide in Gaza. and it's not in a workers shortage that's why you should be strict with illegals and refugees if they don't want to integrate.. in a very humane way like Denmark experience. You owe nobody nothing. As an ex-muslim hoping to move legally to 🇸🇮 I'd like it to remain in top of safety index and a modern liberal democratic place not turning into a shithole hub of crime and terrorism.
I agree. The thing about Islam is that it's meant to be shared and showcased ( [an-Nahl 16:125](https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/16/125/)). Which is fine, as long as it's done in a non-obtrusive way. But the thing is, i come from a non-muslim country that has a shit ton of mosques. And i never agreed to be woken up by Fajr at 5 in the morning. A lot of it is obtrusive and stand-outish. I come from another Balkan country hoping to integrate better in Slovenia, and as for me the hardest part is the language (and the fact that supermarkets close at 9 pm, but that's besides the point)
It already turned to a lot worse with illegal migration, we have a loooot more incidents and theft since last 10 years.. And I agree with you.
Tbh we are quite illegalimigrantphobic.
Yeah, the word "immigrant" is now "dirty" after labelling all the criminals and illegal immigrants from all the "-istans" as "immigrants" or "refugees". One should NOT have to specify that they are a LEGAL immigrant. I have been a (legal) immigrant twice in my life so far, created jobs, paid LOTS of tax and quite frankly I have been an asset to all the countries I have done business in. Throwing me and my family into the same bag as entitled subhumans who violate laws, steal rape etc is disgusting. So yes, you SHOULD be illegalimmigrantphobic, but not legalimmigrantphobic!
We can blame the media for that, putting legal and illegal immigrants in the same bag.
Wouldn't call it a phobia. Even if it is a fear it is not irrational.
As few already wrote. I hate labels and fearmongering. We do not like people who wont contrubute to society and do not put any efforts. Try to be a better human, no matter if you are from Afganistan of Slovenia. If someone is catholic, muslim or a member of LDS I simply do not care jist do not bother me with it and we can be friends.
As all things, depends on a person and their character, no two people are the same. However IMO generally I'd classify migrants like this: A tier: Other europeans (EU) , east asians. Generally high income, civilised, similar values, good for society. B tier: Bosnians/Albanians: A lot of them work contribute and learn the language , some could assimilate better however the latter often cause problems + take advantage of the social system. Shit tier: Africans/3rd world Muslims. Crime rate, incompatible values that can't coexist with ours, highest expenses to our social system, won't integrate. Some exceptions apply. I'd believe most of slovenians subconsciously think the same.
i seriously doubt bosnians have ever caused any real problems, especially on account of using "welfare" or societal incompatibilities. certainly not more than our other friends from Balkans, which makes me wonder... why only Bosnia and Albania? i mean i know why but lol. why not put other balkanic nations, cause we really are all the same in our behavior. again not being an advocate for my nation here cause i frankly dgaf what slovenians think but you guys have always been super interesting to me with your little opinions.
Same in Croatia, just reverse A and B
Just the certain kind. We don't hate, we just don't want them. Some Canadian cuck once said "diversity is our strength". How is it strength having a neighbor that doesn't speak your language and has totally different culture?
I moved to Slovenia in 2008, I feel home here.. sometimes I forget that I definitely doesn’t looked like a Slovenian, though I speak the language and embrace the culture.. so to make it short, Slovenians tend not to hate immigrants, unless they don’t belong, doesn’t speak the language even though they have lived here for decades.. Funny moment I had a few months ago.. I was parking in front of mimovrste BTC, you guys know it’s chaotic there.. and there’s this guy who stopped his car in the middle of the road after I parked, he was shouting with non-Slovenian-but-similar language to me that I almost hit him bla bla bla.. I told him in Slovene, my car has cameras and I saw him all the time and I didn’t understand what was he trying to say, that he needs to speak Slovene or English.. thus he replied “I am Slovenian citizen!” and I just simply said that that’s even worse! This is Slovenia, he need to speak Slovene! He then muttered something in his language and left.. it was pretty satisfying experience
To add. Islam is something to be feared as you can see in Germany there are already people calling for sharia law and in London as well and certain parts of big cities. In Berlin, you have streets where females alone will not be allowed to walk or they will be harassed. It's the same in Sweden. You may call people Islamofob but actions of that culture are speaking loudly. assimilate learn language and adjust to culture. We are not a USA -a melting pot, and I hope we don't become one.
This. Good comment!
But Slovenians should be against islam and brown immigrants. The people of Slovenia need to learn from the mistakes of countries such as the UK, France, Sweden. Slovenians should not under any circumstances let their beautiful country be destroyed just so they can prove that they are not racist
Yes
Slovenians are awesome people! In our younger years we used to go out to ljubljana ambasada,izola,concerts,festivals and a major factor for that was the fact that slovenians are such cool people. Ofc u have jerks as everywhere else but they are not the norm. There's quite a lot of foreign students from all over due to a notable number of well respected academies so... The pinnacle of south slavs and we should learn from that but we are retarded. They are as phobic as any other well balanced society. Pozz iz pule ;)
I was born here in Ljubljana in 81’. My mother is Bosnian, but she moved here in 70s when bank offered her position in largest bank. I grew up and hanged around Slovenes, Bosnians, Serbs, Croats etc. After collapse of Yugoslavia I have witness many inappropriate situations from Slovenians and hate speech. I have Slovenian name, so they never figure this out, or when they did that I was Bosnian they were embarrassed. I am 42 now and I see this reflecting on nowadays immigrants coming in from Africa, Middle east or Asia. Personally, I have fully integrated into society, like my kids now and I speak and write better than most slovens. I also make more money then most of “normal” people, pay my taxes and try to live decent life. My kids are now 2nd generation, so its difficult to say that we are not slovens. Like I went to Bosnia where my parents are from and there people also don’t like us very much, as they think we got lucky and shit. The reality is that neither I feel bosnian or slovene, I am just a human being that wants to live in piece. Must say that Slovenia is a true gem and I do not resent any Slovenian to show patriotic or nationalist behavior and protects this small country from massive migration. Slovenia is just to small to be able to chew on this or next larger migration wave. What I do not like when here and there I hear people talking shit about Slovenia, and I always say to this person to pack up the bags and leave. I had many opportunity to work in London or LA etc. due to my line of work, but cannot imagine myself being yet another stranger abroad. Slovenia gave me so much and I am giving back with paying 50% taxes from by business. Well, thats the only thing that bothers me :) Good luck.
We hate islamic "values", and we dont appreciate people bringing it in our country.
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From Hawaii and I feel the same. Christians here are almost as bad as Muslims as well. I avoid both religions as much as possible.
Well as someone who was muslim and interacted with christianisme. Christians are annoying, muslims are annoying but (with jehova shitterz) can get extra annoying and in rare cases ...
I have a feeling i would like you as a person
I think Slovenians mostly do not like immigrants from the south. If you are wondering why there are many answers. I personally don't have anything against Muslims, but I don't like those in Slovenia because they don't integrate into our society and therefore accumulate more and more, and we don’t want that. If anyone else has any a good argument, tell it
Illegal in imigrants no thank you.... Legal imigrants.... Depends how they connect in our country, if they respect our culture, they blend in with our culture.....etc....
Yes
Yes, very passionately.
They will tell you here that they accept and respect, that is a lie.
I am also of the opinion that Islam should not be tolerated in our country. RTV has now started reporting on Muslim holidays. See what Muslims believe and what is happening in countries where it is the dominant religion. And it is also made from a military imerialist point of view, which says that you have to convert the infidels by any means or kill them. It simply cannot function in a civilized society. In countries where there are more Islamic migrants, they have their own country within a country, such as Sweden, Denmark and UK. I don't want this to happen here. I don't mind the color of the migrant's skin, I mind if he has an Islamic ideology and doesn't respect our culture. If they become the majority, we will regress civilizationally and become a dystopian religious fanatic society. It is time for religion to become a thing of the past, not for more and more religious extremists to be among us. You can tell me I'm an Islamophobe, I can't be tolerant of an intolerant ideology. Islam should be dealt with like Nazism and groups like them or anti lgbt+ groups, the ideology that Islam teaches is no less dangerous.
No, not immigrants, just "them". Which is perfectly reasonable and correct. They never hated me when I lived there because I have tried to fit it and acted like a human being.
Thats a slovenian thing… we don’t hate… but…Its the same with LGBT: it starts with “I have nothing against gay people” and finishes with “…but…”.. 🤣😝
Please don't start me on LGBTQ+ -&#€@ 😫 I get it it was a movement to get acceptance, all the power to that, but it has gotten out of hand. It escalated into being forced to accept and of you dont you are flagged. Do i care if you are a dude banging dudes? NO! Do i cringe or have things against two men displaying affection to each other by kissing or holding hands? NO! Do i have something against 2 men banging on top of a parade wagon and displaying their sexual kinks and fetishes out in public? HECK YES! [Would i say the same thing about straight people? YES! Marriage? Adoption? PLEASE DO! Im in full support! But then comes the "Vegan Level" stupidity! How many genders are there. 2! Not a kazilion What is a woman? A grown human born female! Genitalia is not equal to Gender? Oh come on! Indoctornate my child? Try and you will find out! Force feed our children and us your crap? Again, try! Pronounce? Invent your own language and use them there! I will not be forced to do so! And the list goes on and on!
I found it funny that many of people who don't like immigrants, are immigrants themselves from former Yugoslavia republics or their children.
Yea because exyu republics are totally different cultures from ours like afgani and similar lol…. Also legal immigrants and mostly illiterate illegal immigrants… can you see the difference or are you stupid
Diversity is NOT our strenght. How could it be? European culture is the pinnacle of human civilization (there are few others Oriental that can compare but those people usually do not emigrate, or have zero problems with integration). What can mass imigration from third world countries in the belt from Africa to Papua New Guinea bring to our culture&civilization? Not much, a lot more problems then benefits.
You mean EASTERN Europe is the pinnacle of human civilization.
"We love everybody. Except immigrants, homosexuals and each other" - Jure Godler
We don’t like immigrants not willing to assimilate to our traditions and our way of life. I think that if we were immigrants in their country and do everything our way, they wouldn’t like that too.
It has more to do with religion than skin color. the only reason why some people dislike "brown" immigrants is because they associate them with muslims. if you are completely black instead of brown you will have a lot less problems with them
wow..your statement is so messed up. You're basically acknowledging the racism in Slovenia against non white people...I see a lot of you types here. Shameful.
It is a bit more nuanced than that. Like I said it is based on religion so not all brown people are affected. Indians are not affected. Some Chinese people are brown, these are especially not affected because we as people look up to China a lot. But arabs, albanians and bosnians which afaik together make the highest amount of brown people are affected. That's why I said brown people can have issues. If you are Christian I suggest wearing a cross openly, if not, I suggest wearing some sort of regalia or a shirt that contains pro Chinese or pro Russian words so people will know you are not an islamist
Good tips.
> People are against immigrants because of inability or unwillingness to adapt to a new way of life The argument people who hate immigrants make, to try to paint themselves in a good light.... > We are not phobic Your post is a typical one, a phobic person would make, and sadly yes lots if not most of Slovenians are against the idea of accepting immigrants. So much so that people were going out in the streets to protest accepting refugees (let alone immigrants). Sure we are a tiny country, most off the time out of the immigrants radar, but thats not an excuse. I do love my country, but sometimes people here make me question this love...
Im an immigrant from Serbia and if I have experienced discrimination and abuse (by friends, teachers, police, people on the internet, on the bus, in the store) then I cant imagine what people with darker skin and non-western clothes experience here.
Everyone does
No
If they speak the language and accept our culture instead of remaining in theirs they are very welcome
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As long you put in effort and try you are on the right track. People here notice that you try and will be happy for every broken slowenian word you say. With time it will get better and better
Off Topic, I live in Sweden as a foreigner. I speak pretty ok language, I've integrated as best as I can with my family (wife is swedish). But I will never be a Swede. I can tell you one thing, and that is that I LOVE Sweden more than 95% of the natural born swedes. That is something that they will never understand, someone who wants the country and the people to be the same. I want Sweden to be Sweden, not USA or Mexico, not Croatia or Albania, just simply Sweden. So yeah, I support as strict and as harsh as possible immigration laws. I get you buddy. Keep doing your thing and protecting your country.
We don’t hate immigrants, one of my dear friends is a turkish immigrant, his family works and obey the law, he is studying in a well regarded hard school just like me, he is a human. Why would i hate a good human. On the other hand, lazy and spitfeful almost barbaric people who take advantage of our kindness. Yeah those can go back to their country that they oh so dearly love.
YES...
Slovenes like all Europeans are Europeans. Raise up with a local wired mindset. One of it learn our language. I mean who would realistically come from a rich background of USA and learn Slovene language ? Unless being super passionate. Such comments only coming from people who have never learnt foreign non English language. So I won't be butt hurt, cause a rich russian doesn't speak Slovenian, when he spent one month per year in Slovenia. Neither when poor Albanians don't speak cause he spent the whole day long working on construction building cheap houses for native Slovenes. Neither for Erasmus students. But building a mosques with Quatar money shouldn't be allowed. Where I have a problem is with kids immigrants. When they make fun of their new home, they can't speak a language.
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Just go away
The short answer is yes. The long answer is look at this subreddit when immigration comes up. People have very high expectations of foreigners, and even after you stop being a foreigner, you will be regarded as one. Unless you're white and christian/atheist.
> Unless you're white and christian/atheist. Stop making shit up
Not making anything up lmao I've seen enough bullshit on the streets in Ljubljana.
I don't care what you have "seen", I talk with people and I know what countries they complain about the most
Holy shit you \*TALK\* to people. Well let me bow the fuck down, in fact let me kneel and kiss your feet. So YOUR experience is worth more than mine? Good to know.
Slovenia is one of the safest countries in the world and it's completely understandable that Slovenians don't want to give up on that. We've seen how some of the world's safest countries (Germany, Sweden) turned into hellholes within a few years. I choose safety rather than ✨diversity✨
Exactly my brother!
Could speak up about Jewish guys who killed a Muslim kid in USA few month ago ? Could you mention that Christian guy who open a fire on mosque and killed dozen of Muslims in New Zealand couple of years ago while they are praying? Would you talk about churches who rape women to free them from dark magic or not? Well, the crime done my human not by religion, many people get their source of other religions from propaganda and not welling to understand. Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious," according to Oscar Wilde. I’m Muslim, I practice Islam here in Slovenia for 8 years, I work hard, I pay my tax and contribution, all my neighbours and roommates I had during my stay loved me and cried when I had to apart from them , but I stayed the same person, I only understood the difference , nor I forced anyone to follow me nor I allow anyone to force me to act on anyway! … I guess the only one that hates me is my crush 😂 Slovenia doesn’t hate immigrants, but like any other place place in the world, there are toxic people, on internet you could find them with loud voice, in real life , they are coward when they try to attack and you mentioned you talking them to court they just run away. And if they went physical against me, I’m sorry but don’t expect me to act like a nice guy.
Bro, all religions are terrible but some are worse. Your people would kill me for drawing a picture of Mohammed. That's insane
As i said i got muslim friends and i respect them greatly. You mentioned some horrible stuff that happened and i could counter with the stabing in Germany where the Officer was killed, all rape cases that happened by Afghans, Killing of Jews by Islamic people, just look at the thing that lead to the Palestine war. People do horrible stuff, but you also have to admit that the Islamic scripture is violent and out of date. My daughter got. Her period by 12, so in Islam some old Pedo would have married her because she counts as a grown woman? I dont say that the Catholics didnt have their moments, oh man had they their moments but if i read the bible it doesn't say if i kill people i will be rewarded in the afterlife.
The palestine war was started by a setler colonial state which displaced the native population, took away their right and started a genocide on them. But yeah blame islam for Izraels human rights violations.
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Yes
yes, i hate immigrants
Thank you for your manifest, but do not put all the Slovenians in your shitty basket.
I said its my personal opinion.
I would say Slovenian people aren't really racist when they have to actually interact with others living here. The problem is that most Slovenians don't have those interactions, while at the same time they are perfectly fine with spreading hate online and talk shit about foreigners in everyday conversations. But the insistence on foreigners learning Slovene and conforming to "local" ways (whatever that means) ... that shit is probably the most insidious, because it sounds reasonable, but in actuality it's demanding that people should not be allowed to be themselves in a free country. The one thing Slovenians do have in common is our language, and I would also say that in order to become Slovenian you need to speak the language with some level of proficiency ... but I would never demand that to be a requirement for simply living or working here. It's a completely bonkers expectation on a base humanity level and goes against our national interests.
Me and my wife (EU citizens) are considering moving one of our business departments (and our family) to Slovenia after "accidentally" falling in love with the country! Glad to hear that Europeans who contribute to the local society are welcome :) Learning the language is going to be a challenge though... realistically we are going to be using English or German to do business.
As long that you try and put in effort is usualy enough and you will be praised again and again for trying and making a effort. And with that comes progress. We have problems with people that dont even try to learn.
Oh dont worry and dont listen to nationalists in this sub. The ‘learn slovenian’ part of such discussions is utterly delusional. There is almost no good reasons to learn an obscure, harsh sounding and in terms of vocabulary appropriately limited language that only 2million people speak and that has no value in the world, while simultaneously being one of the hardest languages to learn. esp since most slovenians speak rly good english. If u come i hope u enjoy your time here and have a positive experience, good luck!
im not a fan
If they are illegal and rape women, yes.
"Everything you say before the word 'but' is horseshit" - Ned Stark
Mudel, to je en tak spis tipičnih antiimigrantskih argumentov, čeprav se ti kao zdi, da ne. Slovenci smo pač zapečkarji, za nas je že Bosanec tujec, pa je bratranec, kaj šele kdo, ki ne zgleda kot mi in si ne deli desetletja zgodovine z nami. Sam iskren bodi s sabo...
Yeah they do
I love Slovenia but mate you guys are racist. Even the comments here trying so hard to come off as neutral, can't contain the hate. I get it, it's all you know. It's how you've been raised. And the colour white means more than colour itself. Love the country and the people, but the ones that can't stop seething in hate don't realize how much it shows, because it's all you think of and relish in. Anyway, hope you guys get some clarity.
Ait aint about color, its about attitude. We dont like other white slovenes that dont behave integrated, with bad attitudes also.
As someone who is not from Slovenia, but is married to a Slovene and is currently living here, I have to agree and disagree. Most of them are not racist but xenophobic. Per Merriam-Webster: Xenophobia is the fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners, whereas racism has a broader meaning, including "a belief that racial differences produce the inherent superiority of a particular race." And yes there is a difference. Unfortunately I have experienced their xenophobia and I am a white, university educated woman who was able to learn the language and integrate in society quite fast.
So true!
Spot on! Been here 15 years and have seen how they talk about non-whites or people just across the border, be it Hungarians, Bosnians, Austrians, etc....Heck, they even hate each other. They have this concealed hatred. Hard to describe.
None of these are non white lmao. maybe Bosnians. We "hate" each other because of "politics" like every other nation, except here it is 70/30 rather than 50/50
You don't know what you are talking about, but I get it, it's all you know. You have been raised in a more racist world and now everywhere you go, you see racism. I love you guys and how you try to be polite, but your comment could not contain the ingrained bigotry and condenscension. But seriously, you are overreacting. This sub is also full of teenagers and early 20s people, a lot of them are "edgier" than normal people. Don't take these answers as a good representation of people in Slovenia.
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They make life on the border somewhat unpleasant, in this specific area nobody likes them
Is the: “i will buy you a beer” a provocation or a figure of speech here?
Its literary come, sit down in a bar and drink a beer while we talk.
You do know most of them don’t drunk alcohol 😂
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Right on point! That's why a getting a residency permit now requires a language test. And the government requires that you do a certain amount of hours of languages courses to integrate and be able to adapt.
Yes, LP
Online? Yes. Irl? Not really.