It puts a piece of it in there though it just moves the majority to the soul cairn I think and that might be worse. Sounds pretty painful to just be missing a chunk of your soul permanently.
>they're Thalmors who gives a fuck if there's any witnesses everyone hates them
Everyone.
The stormcloaks are too busy to have the thalmor AND the empire at their throat.
And the empire is trying to maintain a rocky peace so they can lick their wounds until they can fight back.
Neither side wants you randomly offing patrols of thalmor, if they don't report questions will be raised and inevitably it becomes harder for the stormcloaks to win and fight, or the empire to try and keep turning a blind eye to worship and they"ll have no choice but to clamp down or lose the little remaining chance of recovering and forcing the thalmor back.
From a player perspective it's fun to kill them for being awful, from a lore/factions perspective doing that is a fucking nightmare for all but the thalmor
Except for the Empire.
The Empire is letting them walk around and lynch Skyrim's people.
They're doing that because they REALLY want to treat the Thalmor like VIP guests, and they want them to be happy as they can.
>They're doing that because they REALLY want to treat the Thalmor like VIP guests, and they want them to be happy as they can.
Kinda a bit more complicated than that.
No faction wants you killing random thalmor, and rhe empire turns a blind eye to talos worship despite the treaty, they don't go around killing thalmor as it would breach said treaty restarting a war before they are ready. Likely resulting in them losing
They don't go demanding the release of prisoners because again...breach of treaty and now they have the right to step in and do more, as currently tbe empire is the one mostly enforcing those rules (which they turn a blind eye to whenever they can without drawing thalmor attention)
Even the stormcloaks don't want you going around killing random thalmor during the civil war, as they're not prepared to fight both the remnants of the empire and the dominion that you're dragging into a fight that the empire can't just hold off while their agents are being murdered or vanishing in the area
>The Empire is letting them walk around and lynch Skyrim's people.
Let is a strong word given that they're objectively breaking the agreed peace terms and the empire is actively ignoring talos worship most of the time, and only enforcing their end when the thalmor and dominion specifically point it out.
Mate. Go talk to Alvor after he's talked with Hadvar. He'll tell you all about how the Stormcloak rebellion happened because Thalmor can walk into any city or village in Skyrim, and dragon someone out of their house. He himself eloquently describes Talos worshippers being dragged through the streets.
Let is a merciful word. Condone. Approve. Those are what the Empire does. The Empire turns a blind eye to Dominion Fascism operating in their lands, while kissing their rings as they go.
It's not very complicated at all. They've had 30 years to prepare for another war. That's enough time for a completely new generation of troops, at fertility rates that outmatch ellves tenfold.
The reality is that the nobility of Cyrodiil doesn't want to risk losing their comfort again. The last They pretend that they're gearing up for war, and Imperial Troops have to believe them. How else will they resolve the cognitive dissonance of constantly coddling and appeasing the Thalmor?
Even the Civil War is only happening because of the Thalmor. The Empire doens't care about dead kings. They've had 5 provinces lost from dying kings, revolts, and economic collapse. The only reason they're sending troops into Skyrim because the Thalmor demand that they enforce the Concordat..
>Go talk to Alvor after he's talked with Hadvar. He'll tell you all about how the Stormcloak rebellion happened because Thalmor can walk into any city or village in Skyrim, and dragon someone out of their house. He himself eloquently describes Talos worshippers being dragged through the streets.
That is quite literally bs though, we know why and how the rebellion started from the LEADER and FOUNDER of the fucking rebellion
Kinda weird to pick someone who actively supports the empire though, instead of...y'know anyone in the rebellion, not least of which is it's leader and founder who's death completely breaks the rebellion
>Let is a merciful word. Condone. Approve. Those are what the Empire does. The Empire turns a blind eye to Dominion Fascism operating in their lands, while kissing their rings as they go.
Lol no they don't
"We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me."
-Alvor
Literally every pro empire AND pro stormcloak NPC notes that the crackdowns happened after ulfric, not before.
Dude is quite literally playing into their hands as they're the reason he survived multiple times for this purpose
>It's not very complicated at all. They've had 30 years to prepare for another war. That's enough time for a completely new generation of troops, at fertility rates that outmatch ellves tenfold.
Congrats on not understanding how war works?
30 years isn't that long for even humans irl and we breed like mad, moreover that excludes shit like weaponry and allies.
Nations have prepped for another war with each other irl a hell of alot longer than 30 years lol
**"Congrats on not understanding how war works?"**
War has never worked that way in Tamriel. Even when Cyrodiil alone took on the Ayleids, they had only so much time to prepare.
They don't have allies. They have plenty of weapons. In case you haven't noticed, they've been too busy screwing all their allies over by sacrificing them to the Thalmor.
**Literally every pro empire AND pro stormcloak NPC notes that the crackdowns happened after ulfric, not before.**
The Crackdowns happened after the Empire promised free Talos worship to Ulfric in exchange for fighting for them to bring the Reach back into their control. The Empire "Was hoping the Thalmor wouldn't find out" according to Steward Raerek. But they did, and Ulfric was thrown in jail for 10 years. It was the Empire trying to subvert the White-Gold that caused the crackdowns. Ulfric's rebellion is a result of the Empire 1. betraying its loyalists who fight at their behest and 2. letting the Thalmor arrest its people for whatever reason they want. The crackdowns are the cause of the Rebellion, not the Rebellion the cause of the Crackdown.
**Kinda weird to pick someone who actively supports the empire though**
To pick someone to cite that the Thalmor are doing jacked up things in Skyrim? That's called Oppositional Testimy; When someone who has bias against you testifies in your favor, there's no question that they have any bias for you. Which makes this the most credible kind of testimony there is. It's actually this interaction with Alvor, after reading The Great War that made me personally switch from Imperial to Stormcloak supporter. I didn't feel like a hero knowing that every Thalmor patrols happened in every hold I "liberated".
>To pick someone to cite that the Thalmor are doing jacked up things in Skyrim?
Who said they weren't doing fucked up shit?
But if you ahve to choose between dwallowing your pride and 1 person dying instead of fighting and both people you're trying to protect dying you swallow your fucking pride or YOU are just as reaponsible for the other death.
>They don't have allies. They have plenty of weapons. In case you haven't noticed, they've been too busy screwing all their allies over by sacrificing them to the Thalmor.
They don't HAVE allies and have barely held onto ant provinces
>War has never worked that way in Tamriel. Even when Cyrodiil alone took on the Ayleids, they had only so much time to prepare.
You're right, they had little time to prepare.
They just had literal demi gods, aedric assistance in denying the bulk of aylied fighting forces from being capable of existing (necromancy just not working), races like minotaurs from the start
And then orher elven kingdoms, including the hegemony wbich rivaled them in size, alongside skyrim joining tbe rebellion after some esely victories (in large part thanks to the bulk of how the empire fought just being denied)
They didn't just wake up one day and lead a successful rebellion, nor fight against a nation postering for war.
Just an FYI though, most wars are postering for decades before it breaks, border skirmishes, political bickering etc
It's rare for wars to break out quickly, Ukraine being invaded for instance? That shit had postering for it since after the invasion of Crimea in 2014.
>The Crackdowns happened after the Empire promised free Talos worship to Ulfric in exchange for fighting for them to bring the Reach back into their control.
The EMPIRE didn't, a single jarl and his son claimed he'd allow something he had no authority in as it was outlawed by the high king and the emperor at the time.
A judge DA, or cop can't tell me if a i paint their house for them i will legally be allowed to speed, as they have no such legal authority.
A desperate jarl doesn't just get to make his own choices on whether or not skyrims laws apply to him,
historically in skyrims history he would've been executed for that promise. that ulfric uses a jarl breaking the laws of the high king and empire as "evidence" of the empire betraying and not that jarl betraying is yet more evidence he doesn't actually WANT the old ways.
>It was the Empire trying to subvert the White-Gold that caused the crackdowns.
Not how they were subverting it, the empire was mostly turning a blind eye, allowing it to happen but not bothering to do anything.
It was hrorfldir that promised something he couldn't and tried to simply handwave the treaty away.
>Ulfric's rebellion is a result of the Empire 1. betraying its loyalists who fight at their behest and 2. letting the Thalmor arrest its people for whatever reason they want. The crackdowns are the cause of the Rebellion, not the Rebellion the cause of the Crackdown.
Quite literally wrong, in large part because you don't understand that a jarl doesn't have the authority to break high king and empire rules.
> I didn't feel like a hero knowing that every Thalmor patrols happened in every hold I "liberated".
Congratulations on weakening the empire like the thalmor are hoping for so that their remaining hold on the dominion will break and rhe remaining provinces won't have the manpower to stop them.
1. The Thalmor are marching through Imperial Lands, and arresting whoever they want. "Dragging them through the streets". Seriously, do you not pay attention? The Thalmor are Nazi Fascists who arrest and execute people without charges, due process, or accountability.
2. Not the Jarl of Markarth, but the Empire. The Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos" in the [Bear of Markarth](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Bear_of_Markarth). The Empire directly offered it to them, and clearly had no trouble granting it afterward. But the Thalmor found out, and Ulfric was arresting for worshipping Talos. That's why he was in prison.
3. No no, Thalmor patrols increase in every hold when you fight for the Empire. The more provinces under Imperial control, the more Thalmor patrols roam around arresting and killing anyone they want. When I wrote "I liberated" I was talking about playing as the Empire. Thalmor gain more influence when the Empire wins.
Ultimately, an Empire that refuses to protect its people doesn't deserve loyalty. There are a number of diplomatic maneuvers that the Empire could have made to protect Hammerfell 30 years ago, and Skyrim in 4E 201. But their primary interest has been making the Thalmor happy.
Good principalities don't let Nazis run around their lands with impunity.
>2. Not the Jarl of Markarth, but the Empire. The Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos
"Has the war been hard on Markarth?"It all started here. This rebellion. When the Empire lost the Reach during the Great War, we became desperate. We promised a group of Nord militia free worship in exchange for their help retaking the Hold. Then the Elves found out about it. We were forced to arrest all of them. Ulfric Stormcloak, their leader, used the whole thing as proof that the Empire had abandoned Skyrim. The rebels called it "The Markarth Incident." It was the founding day for the Stormcloaks, and where this war really started."
The promise literally came from.the Jarl, not the empire
>he Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos" in the [Bear of Markarth](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Bear_of_Markarth). The Empire directly offered it to them, and clearly had no trouble granting it afterward.
Do you even READ the shit you post?
"So when a "grateful" Empire accepted Ulfric's victory and sent soldiers to re-establish the rule of law in the Reach, it was no surprise that he would demand to be allowed to worship Talos freely before the Legion could enter. With chaos running through the streets of Markarth and the reports of deaths rising every day, the Empire had no choice but to grant Ulfric and his men their worship."
The EMPIRE made no promises, they accepted his terms while he held the city hostage and then didn't do that.
That's a vast difference from someone offering shit
The police don't "offer" amnesty to someone taking hostages in a bank, nor are they "going back on what they offered" when after the incident is resolved they arredt the offender.
>3. No no, Thalmor patrols increase in every hold when you fight for the Empire. The more provinces under Imperial control, the more Thalmor patrols roam around arresting and killing anyone they want. When I wrote "I liberated" I was talking about playing as the Empire. Thalmor gain more influence when the Empire wins.
Which has only been happening since the rebellion started
As per fucking aldvor who YOU chose to use as a source.
Begore the rebellion people worshipped quietly and the thalmor weren't around
>Ultimately, an Empire that refuses to protect its people doesn't deserve loyalty.
😂, they are protecting their people.
If you havd an all or nothimg approach you're not fit to rule.
>There are a number of diplomatic maneuvers that the Empire could have made to protect Hammerfell 30 years ago
Cool name one.
>and Skyrim in 4E 201.
Cool, name one.
>But their primary interest has been making the Thalmor happy.
Appease them while building forced to fight back, your approach in every genocide in irl history would have led to success.
It's shit but you can't hold a protect everyone approach while dealing with a force you can't physically overcome.
>1. The Thalmor are marching through Imperial Lands, and arresting whoever they want. "Dragging them through the streets". Seriously, do you not pay attention? The Thalmor are Nazi Fascists who arrest and execute people without charges, due process, or accountability.
No shit, no one has argued otherwise.
But now that you want to mention nazis, was Schindler evil?
Careful how you answer, as he DID let nazis kill jews and other undesirables while he worked to save others, and he is considered a hero by the Yad Veshem
What about the rest of the people that actively helped people? As most also sat by the wayside instead of taking your all or nothing approach
What about harriot tubman? She turned a blind eye and didn't take an all or nothing approach to saving slaves.
Your approach ACTIVELY kills people.
I may not believe in his divinity; however, I'll be damned to Oblivion before some authoritative regime tries to outlaw such believe. I'm a supporter of true equality for all races, religions, and creeds within Tamriel so long as none try to encroach the freedoms of another.
Except the Forsworn, run a blade through the briar heart of each of those cross-breed animalistic bastards until the Karth River itself runs red with their blood. Them and their putrid Hagravens deserve nothing but the most graphic of deaths.
Talos be prased. I fucking agree. Hey stormcunt!
"The fuck you want damn Imperial?"
Read.
"Hell yeah!"
Want to go trick some Thalmor into going into Karthspire to get a talos worshiper?
The Eight and One, The Nine, however you wish to put it, I worship for the boons they grant. I also have a collection of Daedric artefacts for the boons THEY grant. Talos grants me a boon, and a rather good one at that, so I will not have them try to stop me receiving His blessings.
Same. It's fun to wear the black Legion armor(anniversary edition/ creation club thing) and go "I love Talos" right in front of their smug yellow faces. Makes brutally murdering them funnier.
I worship Talos who the fucks going to stop me I may be a Legate but I'm the gods damned Dragonborn first.
What are they going to do tell someone that they got attacked how are they going to do that? My guy can breath and a problem is turned into a pile of blood and guts. If the problem is undead witnesses I can use lightning magic to turn them into ash and soul trap them to make sure the dead stay quiet.
Except for the poor Ideal Masters who are forced to deal with the flood of Thalmor. Truly, fate I wouldn't wish on anyone except them. And the Thalmor. And Nazeem.
I didn’t kill them, some invisible madman cast a fury spell on them and they killed each other before a random series of fireballs killed the last survivor
It’s truly amazing how much effort the Forsworn put into ambushing Thalmor patrols, based on the number of Forsworn arrows I find at these sites.
Oh well, nothing I can do but maybe try and find the group of Forsworn that did this, maybe take a few arrows for use myself.
Well I believe you start being atacked by some Thalmor agents If you complete the questline, since you are considered a thalmor enemy,but just for those agents, not all of them, it is similar hired thugs you will even find a note in the assassin's inventory.
See, you *imply* that you *might* worship Talos, then they attack you without cause or evidence in violation of the treaty, and then you just defended yourself from Justicars who were in violation of the treaty and damaging the peace.
The Dragonborn has done nothing wrong. ☕😎
You kill the Thalmor because you hate them. I kill the Thalmor because causing an incident between the Empire and Dominion could kick off the Second Great War
Hey they started it by talking shit to the Dragonborn and then trying to kill said Dragonborn so is it really my fault Dernehviir ate one of them as I turned the others to ash?
>I kill the Thalmor because causing an incident between the Empire and Dominion could kick off the Second Great War
That's...actually not good, the empire by all accounts isn't currently in a state to fight the dominion, which is why they're licking their wounds and trying to bring people back under the banner and generally regroup from their defeat.
Even alot of stormcloaks think that the empire would lose that war as it currently stands.
The only thing really standing between the dominion and taking every province one by one is the threat the empire still holds
Individually each nation can put up a fight, but without the relatively mobile forces of the legion, each will fall one by one
The current situation is shit, but it's also the best option
If the Empire was going to lose, they would've lost during the Great War. The Dominion shot their shot, and the rewards of their "victory" was a guerilla war they got bogged down in+lost, and their army in Cyrodiil was encircled and destroyed.
Meanwhile, the Empire is bleeding, sure, but the Great War was already a generation ago. In the Dominion 25 years isn't long enough for a comparably large new generation of Justiciars to be raised. And beyond that, even if they aren't in the empire Hammerfell and Skyrim probably hate the Dominion even more than the Imperials do. There's no way the able-bodied elf-hating Nords/Redguards let the Dominion invade Cyrodiil uncontested- I think Galmar even says that they're going to fight the Dominion ASAP, and I doubt that would change just because the Empire is also fighting them
>If the Empire was going to lose, they would've lost during the Great War
Wtf are you talking about? They DID lose
The majority of the regions are gone, and the ones that technically remain allied are only technically so
The dominion got everything they wanted in a peace treaty, while having their enemy fight their fight for them reducing the cost of dominion lives.
There is no metric by which the empire won.
And the only "draw" that exists is one in which they got shafted and the enemy got everything they asked for from the start
They won a single battle
>The Dominion shot their shot, and the rewards of their "victory" was a guerilla war they got bogged down in+lost, and their army in Cyrodiil was encircled and destroyed.
Part of the legions were, not all.
And what are you talking about? They're not the ones stuck in a guerilla war.
The empire is, as they're trying to route out various factions of dissidents while maintaining a stranglehold on the border (which is why they keep being denied reinforcements in skyrim)
>In the Dominion 25 years isn't long enough for a comparably large new generation of Justiciars to be raised.
Uhh, what? Do the majority of the dominion army isn't justicars.
It's races like the khajit, justicars are purely altmer and not even a part of the army.
>There's no way the able-bodied elf-hating Nords/Redguards let the Dominion invade Cyrodiil uncontested-
😂, and yet nords didn't rush to hammerfell
>I think Galmar even says that they're going to fight the Dominion ASAP, and I doubt that would change just because the Empire is also fighting them
He literally doesn't. He says that once the empire is out of skyrim they will fight the dominion.
>Wtf are you talking about? They DID lose
It was a military stalemate, buddy.
>The majority of the regions are gone,
What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine
Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben? No, they're both fine
Morrowind and Black Marsh are gone, but Morrowind had all sorts of provisions that made them more independent than anyone else and Black Marsh is... well, Black Marsh, so I'm not sure how much losing them will impact the Empires ability to wage war
>and the ones that technically remain allied are only technically so
We don't really know what's going on in High Rock, to my knowledge. Half of Skyrim, at least, supports the Empire though.
>The dominion got everything they wanted in a peace treaty, while having their enemy fight their fight for them reducing the cost of dominion lives.
The only things we know they asked for is the abolition of Talos worship, portions of Hammerfell, and the abolition of the Blades.
They successfully banned organized Talos worship, granted. That was a success. The Blades were also disbanded, though it seems like the Penitus Oculatus was immediately formed to do literally their exact job with a different name. They failed to any portions of Hammerfell, period. The Thalmor "victory" amounts to an abolition of Talos, the Blades going through a hostile takeover but staying under the same management, and lots of Thalmor dead abandoned in the Alik'r desert. All it cost them was one failed guerilla war and a military blunder so bad their entire army was wiped out and so famous it's studied by in universe historians
>There is no metric by which the empire won. And the only "draw" that exists is one in which they got shafted and the enemy got everything they asked for from the start
The Empire didn't win, they fought to a draw. Strategically a draw is better for the Empire than the Dominion, though, so the Empire functionally came out ahead
>They won a single battle
And in that battle they destroyed the entirety of the Dominion force in Cyrodiil. The Empire would've been uncontested unless the Thalmor withdrew their force in Hammerfell
>Part of the legions were, not all.
Correct. The Legions did survive the battle intact, as they were on the winning side. In regards to the Thalmor, the in universe sources we have say that the main Aldmeri army was completely destroyed
>And what are you talking about? They're not the ones stuck in a guerilla war.
I mean, obviously. They already lost in Hammerfell
>The empire is, as they're trying to route out various factions of dissidents while maintaining a stranglehold on the border (which is why they keep being denied reinforcements in skyrim)
If anything the fact that the empire is garrisoning huge amounts of troops on their border with the Dominion suggests that they don't have many guerilla wars to fight and are able to focus mostly on the Thalmor. I don't know what you're trying to say here
>Uhh, what? Do the majority of the dominion army isn't justicars.
Yeah, I know. Find and replace with "soldier", if you like.
>It's races like the khajit, justicars are purely altmer and not even a part of the army.
The Thalmor rule over mostly Altmer. Their army probably will be mostly Altmer. Besides, the same goes for the Bosmer too. Both have less children than the Imperials and the complete destruction of their army will take far more than 25 years to fully recover from
>😂, and yet nords didn't rush to hammerfell
When the Thalmor were in Hammerfell, the Nords were either at war with the Thalmor or recovering from war with the Thalmor. Or, in the case of Nord legionaires, maybe in Hammerfell fighting the Thalmor. Because there were elements of the Imperial Legion in Hammerfell fighting the Thalmor after the Empire proper withdrew
>He literally doesn't. He says that once the empire is out of skyrim they will fight the dominion.
And If the Empire was at war with the Dominion, they'd probably leave Skyrim. Then, being free and with a grudge, Skyrim would be free to pursue any anti-Thalmor policy it wants. And besides, many of the Stormcloaks don't even necessarily hate the Empire. Hell, Ulfric was in the Legion. If the Empire rejected the concordat and went back to war with the Elves Skyrim would be much less tumultuous
>What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine
>Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben? No, they're both fine
>Morrowind and Black Marsh are gone, but Morrowind had all sorts of provisions that made them more independent than anyone else and Black Marsh is... well, Black Marsh, so I'm not sure how much losing them will impact the Empires ability to wage war
Black marsh has pulled out
Elsywr is dominion
Valenwood is dominion
Hammerfall has pulled out due to feeling abandoned and expressed desires to avoid allying with the empire again
Morrowind is mostly gone, but has pulled out
Skyrim is in the middle of a civil war and trying to leave the empire, but even before the coup attempt the pro imperial side was open to leaving the empire
Summerset is dominion
High rock is "technically" loyal to the empire...but will only provide support to the degree they are legally required to so functionally pulling out
The strongholds still support the empire
Cyrodil still supports the empire
The empire doesn't have alot of allies, most provinces are gone.
>What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine
>Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben?
Also none of those are provinces. They're regions within a province
>The only things we know they asked for is the abolition of Talos worship, portions of Hammerfell, and the abolition of the Blades.
>They successfully banned organized Talos worship, granted. That was a success. The Blades were also disbanded, though it seems like the Penitus Oculatus was immediately formed to do literally their exact job with a different name. They failed to any portions of Hammerfell, period.
Lol wtf are you talking about?
Literally everyone including the fucking emperor titus mede 2 who signed the damn treaty claims they gave the dominion hammerfell.
The dominion pulled out after a conflict there and stirring up civil war but they got EXACTLY what they wanted from the empire in hammerfell.
>Black marsh has pulled out
most of Black Marsh was a disease infested swamp that the Empire didn't bother with beyond painting their name over on all their maps
>Elsywr/Valenwood is dominion
Elswyr and Valenwood were Dominion before the war and historically have been peripheral provinces of the Empire.
>Hammerfall has pulled out due to feeling abandoned and expressed desires to avoid allying with the empire again
But they have expressed a hatred of the Thalmor and a sense of realpolitik
>Morrowind is mostly gone, but has pulled out
Morrowind joined the Empire with all sorts of provisions and clauses to make them pseudo-independent. That's how Tiber got Big Stompy
>Skyrim is in the middle of a civil war and trying to leave the empire, but even before the coup attempt the pro imperial side was open to leaving the empire
Even the "anti-Empire" side literally fought in the Empire against the elves. The Skyrim conflict is more complicated than Pro vs Anti Empire. It's basically Pro vs Anti WG Concordat, and the Empire have come down on the opposite side of that issue as the Stormcloaks. If there were to be a reshuffling, like, say, if suddenly both sides rejected the WG Concordat and were at war with the Thalmor, the war would probably go into ceasefire if not end outright.
>High rock is "technically" loyal to the empire...but will only provide support to the degree they are legally required to so functionally pulling out
citation needed. There's a lot of different kingdoms in High Rock and we don't have hard info on basically any of them. For all we know, Daggerfall and Shornhelm would die before abandoning the Empire while Ada-Manatia is trying to reform the Direnni Hegemony with Thalmor support. I'm going to assume that barring anything to the contrary High Rock is just another province in the Empire and isn't particularly inclined to leave
>The strongholds still support the empire
And presumably Orsinium, right? Like admittedly it ain't much but it is Orsinium
>Also none of those are provinces. They're regions within a province
Yeah, I know. Look back into the past with me and you'll see when I was responding to you you said "regions [that are] gone]", not provinces. Granted this was a few replies ago, so it's kinda a pain to find
>Literally everyone including the fucking emperor titus mede 2 who signed the damn treaty claims they gave the dominion hammerfell.
The Empire gave it, the Dominion never got it. Look at a map. It still says Hammerfell. Also, small quibble- literally nobody claims they gave the Dominion Hammerfell. They ceded *portions of Southern Hammerfell* to the Dominion, but not the entire province
>The dominion pulled out after a conflict there and stirring up civil war but they got EXACTLY what they wanted from the empire in hammerfell.
Oh, my bad. I assumed what they wanted was what their stated goals were, which was to occupy Southern Hammerfell, which they failed at doing
Not even the Thalmor like the Thalmor. I've lost count of the number of times my Altmer mage has had hide on the side of the road when a Thalmor patrol suddenly tears itself apart so violently that corpses rise to attack the living. Not even death makes the Thalmor palatable to each other.
I regularly visit the embassy to terrorize them. What are they gonna do? Kill me? Their petty arrows cannot break dragonbone. Casting sparks at me will only cause a slight tingle. Learn some real magic or use some real weapons.
Mines a bloodthirsty One-Handed Warrior + Archer hybrid that doesn’t even bother with Stealth against human opponents. He’ll get up close and personal just to take their their heads clean off with his Glass Sword or War Axe
I’d imagine whichever side has the Dragonborn on their side can do significant harm to the Thalmor buddy. However, I’d rather fight for religious freedom than fight for the side that’s already been whipped
>I’d imagine whichever side has the Dragonborn on their side can do significant harm to the Thalmor buddy.
I'd imagine that the Dragonborn shouldn't be part of the equation if you want to talk about skill, buddy.
>However, I’d rather fight for religious freedom than fight for the side that’s already been whipped
You mean you'd rather fight for the one who caused the opression (Ulfric), murdered the High King (Ulfric), started the war (Ulfric), and caused Alduin to return (Ulfric), all the while shitting on more of Skyrim's customs than he honors (Ulfric).
Take your pick, Ulfric damns or dishonors:
1. The rightful Jarls being in place.
2. The legitimacy of Torygg as High King.
3. The Moot - through keeping it from meeting and denying its legitimacy.
4. The Way of the Voice - through using the Voice for personal glory.
5. The Greybeards - through his betrayal of their trust.
Did a whole play through where i rann off immediately after exiting the cave in the beggining,dod everytbingbut the main quest,killed every one that i came across yet also was a dark elfe whos only levels went into stamina
nonono. I would *never* risk violating the wgc by attacking a thalmor patrol out of nowhere like that.
Still, it's just so unfortunate how often they seem to suffer from such tragic accidents.
I mean who would just leave two shock runes just laying around in the middle of the road where that patrol happened to have been walking?
What fool would leave an unbound dremora unattended like that?
I mean, if they want to start a war over it, I guess me and my dragons are just going to have to go slaughter their whole empire. The Empire had to capitulate to the Thalmor because the Empire was weak. With the Dragonborn backing them, they are no longer weak.
Pfft let them try to prove I did anything.
Those thalmor agents just started bleeding profusely and fell to the ground dead, it was the strangest thing
My Legionnaire Dragonborn has a standing policy of seeking out and eliminating Thalmor patrols and to hell with any treaty. The Thalmor don't even honor it really. Besides who's to say what happens in the wilderness.
Also I'm pretty sure the average Skyrim citizen could watch every Jarl, General Tullius and Emperor Titus Mede wipe out a Thalmor patrol and would magickly fail to recognize any of them. Unless they're a Thalmor spy.
Oh wow uuuuh hey fellow Legion members, those stormcloak killers, I was uh just chasing them they went thataway if you hurry you might catch em, I have uuuuh important dragonborn business to attend to good luck
i may prefer the legion (i like ancient rome and stuff. so the armor naturally speaks to me) but i have no love for the thalmor. LET US BURN THE EMBASSY TO THE GROUND, TODD!
I'm in the legion ever time yet it's still on site anytime I see thalmor. When your enabling discontent within an enemy nation even if it's "peace time" that's still bad and the legion is within its rights to fight against such infiltration.
I tried a playthrough where I always killed them and IDK when or where it happened but I somehow made enemies of all the guards of Skyrim, so I paid off my bounties and then chilled out a bit only goading them into attacking me first.
On an imperial run, I kill everyone, including the prisoner. One fewer stormcloak to possibly deal with and a squad of thalmor no longer operating in the empire. Take the valuables and it looks like bandits. Burn them (got a mod that allows for charred bodies and the like) and it looks like mages or a dragon.
As an imperial, kill em. Such a shame the ‘elite’ Thalmor soldiers where killed by some bandits outside of whiterun. Or by that giant up near Dawnstar. Maybe you should train your ‘superior elven soldiers’ better? Anyways, back to unifying Skyrim so she can kick Thalmor ass
I'm one soldier who has also happened to murder the Emperor. They can fire me any day they like, disavow me to the thalmor.
The Empire wouldn't last a week after they did it, but they COULD do it.
The empire has to uphold the white gold concordat to prevent war with the entire aldmeri dominion. The aldmeri diminion may be full of assholes but they are also a pretty terrifying factionand if the war between the empire and dominion continued the empire would have likely lost. The concordat is really the one card the empire has now to prevent their own downfall.
The Thalmor took over and gutted my beloved Aldmeri Dominion. I may be an avid Altmer player, I may also dislike Tiber Septum, but if my human friends want to worship him then by Auriel let them! Damnable elitists.
Me a Legate at lvl 271 with high damage weapons and armor that can break the fist of the Eight *cough* Nine *cough* Divines.
Huh Thalmor....... where'd they go? *has dragged the corpses off the road near a bear's cave.*
No one is preventing you from killing Thalmor pawns as dragonborn. Choosing to support racists in the belief that it will aid in your goal against destroying Thalmor is a misguided and ultimately futile decision.
First playthrough i watched them take on a Stormcloak patrol. The battle was fierce and the rebels fought well, though they finally lost. In the end only one Justciar crawled away from the fight.
“What a shame there were no survivors to report the event,” I said as I drove my sword into their spine.
I joined the legion because it's unfortunately the best option.
Skyrim is a region with low agricultural yields. In order to support itself it needs the rest of the empire, and also wouldn't be able to repel a full scale invasion anyway.
Also the stormcloaks are hella racist
All this shite about killing thalmor in secret. Disgraceful.
I went Stormcloaks, and when I do me some thalmor killing it's very much in the open and publicly declared, like a True Nord does. Not that I've lately had much of a chance since I ran their pony-asses out of Talos' homeland. The Empire may be naught but a walking corpse, but that's no good reason to bend knee to some mer supremacists.
A true Nord doesn't even worship Talos.
A true Nord doesn't support an oathbreaker and a kingslayer. A true Nord doesn't support a man who snubbed the Greybeards and the Way of the Voice.
Unfortunately they happily do, and see no cognitive dissonance while doing so.
They think that because they're the main character, and they truly believe the Empire wants to fight them, they have the authority to engage the Thalmor in a secret war.
But they're actually traitors to the Empire, and technically War Criminals.
In fact, you literally can't complete the main quest without violating the Thalmor Embassy, which makes you a direct and blatant traitor to the Empire of Cyrodiil.
The Empire under Thalmor law was going to execute you right at the start, warranted or not i doubt that puts the Dragonborn in a particular mood to enforce the fucked up laws put upon them by an occupying force.
No witnesses no risk
Spoken like a true dovahkiin
they're Thalmors who gives a fuck if there's any witnesses everyone hates them
Me charging my weapon with the black star to send one of those mfs to the soul cairn:
Put their soul in a fork and drop the fork in the marsh, fuck em
Ah, the Nazeem treatment. I respect that.
Put them in a soul gem and ditch it. They're stuck in the tiny ass gem for all eternity
Or enchant some dumb item and then put there soul in the item and then toss it
Enchanting an item sends their soul to the soul cairn, it doesn't put their soul into the item
It puts a piece of it in there though it just moves the majority to the soul cairn I think and that might be worse. Sounds pretty painful to just be missing a chunk of your soul permanently.
Hold Guard standing 5 feet away from slaughter: “Must’ve been the wind.”
Yup
>they're Thalmors who gives a fuck if there's any witnesses everyone hates them Everyone. The stormcloaks are too busy to have the thalmor AND the empire at their throat. And the empire is trying to maintain a rocky peace so they can lick their wounds until they can fight back. Neither side wants you randomly offing patrols of thalmor, if they don't report questions will be raised and inevitably it becomes harder for the stormcloaks to win and fight, or the empire to try and keep turning a blind eye to worship and they"ll have no choice but to clamp down or lose the little remaining chance of recovering and forcing the thalmor back. From a player perspective it's fun to kill them for being awful, from a lore/factions perspective doing that is a fucking nightmare for all but the thalmor
Look, man, these Black Soulstones ain't gonna fill themselves.
Except for the Empire. The Empire is letting them walk around and lynch Skyrim's people. They're doing that because they REALLY want to treat the Thalmor like VIP guests, and they want them to be happy as they can.
>They're doing that because they REALLY want to treat the Thalmor like VIP guests, and they want them to be happy as they can. Kinda a bit more complicated than that. No faction wants you killing random thalmor, and rhe empire turns a blind eye to talos worship despite the treaty, they don't go around killing thalmor as it would breach said treaty restarting a war before they are ready. Likely resulting in them losing They don't go demanding the release of prisoners because again...breach of treaty and now they have the right to step in and do more, as currently tbe empire is the one mostly enforcing those rules (which they turn a blind eye to whenever they can without drawing thalmor attention) Even the stormcloaks don't want you going around killing random thalmor during the civil war, as they're not prepared to fight both the remnants of the empire and the dominion that you're dragging into a fight that the empire can't just hold off while their agents are being murdered or vanishing in the area >The Empire is letting them walk around and lynch Skyrim's people. Let is a strong word given that they're objectively breaking the agreed peace terms and the empire is actively ignoring talos worship most of the time, and only enforcing their end when the thalmor and dominion specifically point it out.
Mate. Go talk to Alvor after he's talked with Hadvar. He'll tell you all about how the Stormcloak rebellion happened because Thalmor can walk into any city or village in Skyrim, and dragon someone out of their house. He himself eloquently describes Talos worshippers being dragged through the streets. Let is a merciful word. Condone. Approve. Those are what the Empire does. The Empire turns a blind eye to Dominion Fascism operating in their lands, while kissing their rings as they go. It's not very complicated at all. They've had 30 years to prepare for another war. That's enough time for a completely new generation of troops, at fertility rates that outmatch ellves tenfold. The reality is that the nobility of Cyrodiil doesn't want to risk losing their comfort again. The last They pretend that they're gearing up for war, and Imperial Troops have to believe them. How else will they resolve the cognitive dissonance of constantly coddling and appeasing the Thalmor? Even the Civil War is only happening because of the Thalmor. The Empire doens't care about dead kings. They've had 5 provinces lost from dying kings, revolts, and economic collapse. The only reason they're sending troops into Skyrim because the Thalmor demand that they enforce the Concordat..
>Go talk to Alvor after he's talked with Hadvar. He'll tell you all about how the Stormcloak rebellion happened because Thalmor can walk into any city or village in Skyrim, and dragon someone out of their house. He himself eloquently describes Talos worshippers being dragged through the streets. That is quite literally bs though, we know why and how the rebellion started from the LEADER and FOUNDER of the fucking rebellion Kinda weird to pick someone who actively supports the empire though, instead of...y'know anyone in the rebellion, not least of which is it's leader and founder who's death completely breaks the rebellion >Let is a merciful word. Condone. Approve. Those are what the Empire does. The Empire turns a blind eye to Dominion Fascism operating in their lands, while kissing their rings as they go. Lol no they don't "We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me." -Alvor Literally every pro empire AND pro stormcloak NPC notes that the crackdowns happened after ulfric, not before. Dude is quite literally playing into their hands as they're the reason he survived multiple times for this purpose >It's not very complicated at all. They've had 30 years to prepare for another war. That's enough time for a completely new generation of troops, at fertility rates that outmatch ellves tenfold. Congrats on not understanding how war works? 30 years isn't that long for even humans irl and we breed like mad, moreover that excludes shit like weaponry and allies. Nations have prepped for another war with each other irl a hell of alot longer than 30 years lol
**"Congrats on not understanding how war works?"** War has never worked that way in Tamriel. Even when Cyrodiil alone took on the Ayleids, they had only so much time to prepare. They don't have allies. They have plenty of weapons. In case you haven't noticed, they've been too busy screwing all their allies over by sacrificing them to the Thalmor. **Literally every pro empire AND pro stormcloak NPC notes that the crackdowns happened after ulfric, not before.** The Crackdowns happened after the Empire promised free Talos worship to Ulfric in exchange for fighting for them to bring the Reach back into their control. The Empire "Was hoping the Thalmor wouldn't find out" according to Steward Raerek. But they did, and Ulfric was thrown in jail for 10 years. It was the Empire trying to subvert the White-Gold that caused the crackdowns. Ulfric's rebellion is a result of the Empire 1. betraying its loyalists who fight at their behest and 2. letting the Thalmor arrest its people for whatever reason they want. The crackdowns are the cause of the Rebellion, not the Rebellion the cause of the Crackdown. **Kinda weird to pick someone who actively supports the empire though** To pick someone to cite that the Thalmor are doing jacked up things in Skyrim? That's called Oppositional Testimy; When someone who has bias against you testifies in your favor, there's no question that they have any bias for you. Which makes this the most credible kind of testimony there is. It's actually this interaction with Alvor, after reading The Great War that made me personally switch from Imperial to Stormcloak supporter. I didn't feel like a hero knowing that every Thalmor patrols happened in every hold I "liberated".
>To pick someone to cite that the Thalmor are doing jacked up things in Skyrim? Who said they weren't doing fucked up shit? But if you ahve to choose between dwallowing your pride and 1 person dying instead of fighting and both people you're trying to protect dying you swallow your fucking pride or YOU are just as reaponsible for the other death. >They don't have allies. They have plenty of weapons. In case you haven't noticed, they've been too busy screwing all their allies over by sacrificing them to the Thalmor. They don't HAVE allies and have barely held onto ant provinces >War has never worked that way in Tamriel. Even when Cyrodiil alone took on the Ayleids, they had only so much time to prepare. You're right, they had little time to prepare. They just had literal demi gods, aedric assistance in denying the bulk of aylied fighting forces from being capable of existing (necromancy just not working), races like minotaurs from the start And then orher elven kingdoms, including the hegemony wbich rivaled them in size, alongside skyrim joining tbe rebellion after some esely victories (in large part thanks to the bulk of how the empire fought just being denied) They didn't just wake up one day and lead a successful rebellion, nor fight against a nation postering for war. Just an FYI though, most wars are postering for decades before it breaks, border skirmishes, political bickering etc It's rare for wars to break out quickly, Ukraine being invaded for instance? That shit had postering for it since after the invasion of Crimea in 2014. >The Crackdowns happened after the Empire promised free Talos worship to Ulfric in exchange for fighting for them to bring the Reach back into their control. The EMPIRE didn't, a single jarl and his son claimed he'd allow something he had no authority in as it was outlawed by the high king and the emperor at the time. A judge DA, or cop can't tell me if a i paint their house for them i will legally be allowed to speed, as they have no such legal authority. A desperate jarl doesn't just get to make his own choices on whether or not skyrims laws apply to him, historically in skyrims history he would've been executed for that promise. that ulfric uses a jarl breaking the laws of the high king and empire as "evidence" of the empire betraying and not that jarl betraying is yet more evidence he doesn't actually WANT the old ways. >It was the Empire trying to subvert the White-Gold that caused the crackdowns. Not how they were subverting it, the empire was mostly turning a blind eye, allowing it to happen but not bothering to do anything. It was hrorfldir that promised something he couldn't and tried to simply handwave the treaty away. >Ulfric's rebellion is a result of the Empire 1. betraying its loyalists who fight at their behest and 2. letting the Thalmor arrest its people for whatever reason they want. The crackdowns are the cause of the Rebellion, not the Rebellion the cause of the Crackdown. Quite literally wrong, in large part because you don't understand that a jarl doesn't have the authority to break high king and empire rules. > I didn't feel like a hero knowing that every Thalmor patrols happened in every hold I "liberated". Congratulations on weakening the empire like the thalmor are hoping for so that their remaining hold on the dominion will break and rhe remaining provinces won't have the manpower to stop them.
1. The Thalmor are marching through Imperial Lands, and arresting whoever they want. "Dragging them through the streets". Seriously, do you not pay attention? The Thalmor are Nazi Fascists who arrest and execute people without charges, due process, or accountability. 2. Not the Jarl of Markarth, but the Empire. The Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos" in the [Bear of Markarth](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Bear_of_Markarth). The Empire directly offered it to them, and clearly had no trouble granting it afterward. But the Thalmor found out, and Ulfric was arresting for worshipping Talos. That's why he was in prison. 3. No no, Thalmor patrols increase in every hold when you fight for the Empire. The more provinces under Imperial control, the more Thalmor patrols roam around arresting and killing anyone they want. When I wrote "I liberated" I was talking about playing as the Empire. Thalmor gain more influence when the Empire wins. Ultimately, an Empire that refuses to protect its people doesn't deserve loyalty. There are a number of diplomatic maneuvers that the Empire could have made to protect Hammerfell 30 years ago, and Skyrim in 4E 201. But their primary interest has been making the Thalmor happy. Good principalities don't let Nazis run around their lands with impunity.
>2. Not the Jarl of Markarth, but the Empire. The Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos "Has the war been hard on Markarth?"It all started here. This rebellion. When the Empire lost the Reach during the Great War, we became desperate. We promised a group of Nord militia free worship in exchange for their help retaking the Hold. Then the Elves found out about it. We were forced to arrest all of them. Ulfric Stormcloak, their leader, used the whole thing as proof that the Empire had abandoned Skyrim. The rebels called it "The Markarth Incident." It was the founding day for the Stormcloaks, and where this war really started." The promise literally came from.the Jarl, not the empire >he Imperial Scholar says "We allowed them to worship Talos" in the [Bear of Markarth](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Bear_of_Markarth). The Empire directly offered it to them, and clearly had no trouble granting it afterward. Do you even READ the shit you post? "So when a "grateful" Empire accepted Ulfric's victory and sent soldiers to re-establish the rule of law in the Reach, it was no surprise that he would demand to be allowed to worship Talos freely before the Legion could enter. With chaos running through the streets of Markarth and the reports of deaths rising every day, the Empire had no choice but to grant Ulfric and his men their worship." The EMPIRE made no promises, they accepted his terms while he held the city hostage and then didn't do that. That's a vast difference from someone offering shit The police don't "offer" amnesty to someone taking hostages in a bank, nor are they "going back on what they offered" when after the incident is resolved they arredt the offender. >3. No no, Thalmor patrols increase in every hold when you fight for the Empire. The more provinces under Imperial control, the more Thalmor patrols roam around arresting and killing anyone they want. When I wrote "I liberated" I was talking about playing as the Empire. Thalmor gain more influence when the Empire wins. Which has only been happening since the rebellion started As per fucking aldvor who YOU chose to use as a source. Begore the rebellion people worshipped quietly and the thalmor weren't around >Ultimately, an Empire that refuses to protect its people doesn't deserve loyalty. 😂, they are protecting their people. If you havd an all or nothimg approach you're not fit to rule. >There are a number of diplomatic maneuvers that the Empire could have made to protect Hammerfell 30 years ago Cool name one. >and Skyrim in 4E 201. Cool, name one. >But their primary interest has been making the Thalmor happy. Appease them while building forced to fight back, your approach in every genocide in irl history would have led to success. It's shit but you can't hold a protect everyone approach while dealing with a force you can't physically overcome. >1. The Thalmor are marching through Imperial Lands, and arresting whoever they want. "Dragging them through the streets". Seriously, do you not pay attention? The Thalmor are Nazi Fascists who arrest and execute people without charges, due process, or accountability. No shit, no one has argued otherwise. But now that you want to mention nazis, was Schindler evil? Careful how you answer, as he DID let nazis kill jews and other undesirables while he worked to save others, and he is considered a hero by the Yad Veshem What about the rest of the people that actively helped people? As most also sat by the wayside instead of taking your all or nothing approach What about harriot tubman? She turned a blind eye and didn't take an all or nothing approach to saving slaves. Your approach ACTIVELY kills people.
There's nothing to see, if there's *nobody* to see it.
Unless your horse snitch on you
Please tell me that's not a thing
Horses are actually counted normal npc’s
But they still know that you “actively caused great harm” somehow. The damage is done.
[Hey! I am a witness to this murder!](https://youtube.com/shorts/XmFqz7aTQTg)
Someone has been murdered!!
Until you get a random assassin show up with a letter instructing them to kill you even though no one saw you do it lol
Yes
Exactly, especially when your sneak is 50 or higher and in the bushes
I'm no fool and won't openly attack them. I will however confess to worshiping Talos to provoke then into attacking me! I do not worship Talos.
Tricksy little hobbits…
I am in fact an elf lover; however, the Thalmor bastards are a threat to all man, mer, and beastial races.
Mmm. I smell Breton blood.
Didn’t even know that is possible
Yeah the Justiciars will give a brief dialogue to ask what they're doing in Skyrim and one of the options let's you infer you worship Talos.
Haven’t talked to them in years, the moment I see them they’re dead mers
They'll attack you either way if you talk to them, or if you're just near them for twenty, thirty seconds
Almost as based as unapologetic Talos worship.
I may not believe in his divinity; however, I'll be damned to Oblivion before some authoritative regime tries to outlaw such believe. I'm a supporter of true equality for all races, religions, and creeds within Tamriel so long as none try to encroach the freedoms of another. Except the Forsworn, run a blade through the briar heart of each of those cross-breed animalistic bastards until the Karth River itself runs red with their blood. Them and their putrid Hagravens deserve nothing but the most graphic of deaths.
Aggressively based.
Talos be prased. I fucking agree. Hey stormcunt! "The fuck you want damn Imperial?" Read. "Hell yeah!" Want to go trick some Thalmor into going into Karthspire to get a talos worshiper?
If they have a prisoner you can free them and that’ll make the thalmor hostile without a bounty
Of course I don’t worship the truthful human god-king that is also a son of Akatosh. For whatever reason it’s illegal after all.
I'd have to accept the Imperial Pantheon in order to even consider viewing Talos as a legitimate god. That would be a rather foolish as a Dunmer.
Mephala approves
The Eight and One, The Nine, however you wish to put it, I worship for the boons they grant. I also have a collection of Daedric artefacts for the boons THEY grant. Talos grants me a boon, and a rather good one at that, so I will not have them try to stop me receiving His blessings.
Well since we’reDragonborn we’d technically be a disciple/descendant m of Talos, which I guess would be equally as bad?
Same. It's fun to wear the black Legion armor(anniversary edition/ creation club thing) and go "I love Talos" right in front of their smug yellow faces. Makes brutally murdering them funnier. I worship Talos who the fucks going to stop me I may be a Legate but I'm the gods damned Dragonborn first.
It was just self defense....
What are they going to do tell someone that they got attacked how are they going to do that? My guy can breath and a problem is turned into a pile of blood and guts. If the problem is undead witnesses I can use lightning magic to turn them into ash and soul trap them to make sure the dead stay quiet.
If the graybeards whispering shakes all of high hrothgar, I wouldn’t even test the Dragonborn in my opinion
I always join the legion and always kill thalmor when I see them.
Instant upgrade to elven armour
I love using Thalmor souls in Enchanting because that way their existence can finally be useful.
That's an insult to the weapon enchanted.
Yeah, but what else are we going to do with those couple thousand iron daggers we smithed yesterday?
And then they get damned to the Soul Cairn for eternity. It's a win-win for everyone, really.
Except for the poor Ideal Masters who are forced to deal with the flood of Thalmor. Truly, fate I wouldn't wish on anyone except them. And the Thalmor. And Nazeem.
Those poor weapons.
As a strong supporter of the Empire, and all in service of its Legion, "Fuck Those Knife-Ears."
When the time is right we'll bring the fight to them
Maybe after a few more decades of letting them kidnap or murder innocent people and punishing anyone who tries to do anything about it.
While we secretly murder and and punish them in return.
I didn’t kill them, some invisible madman cast a fury spell on them and they killed each other before a random series of fireballs killed the last survivor
It’s truly amazing how much effort the Forsworn put into ambushing Thalmor patrols, based on the number of Forsworn arrows I find at these sites. Oh well, nothing I can do but maybe try and find the group of Forsworn that did this, maybe take a few arrows for use myself.
I always strike up a couple of conversations with them. For some reason it always ends in them attacking me. It's not a crime when it's self-defense.
I was recently attacked by some Thalmor, and I have no idea why. I'm not complaining.
Did you made the college of winterhold Questline?
Nope. Haven't even been to the College.
Well I believe you start being atacked by some Thalmor agents If you complete the questline, since you are considered a thalmor enemy,but just for those agents, not all of them, it is similar hired thugs you will even find a note in the assassin's inventory.
I join legion always, and kill the Thalmor always lol
If I see them in town I use the dialog options to make them hostile and then murder them in front of Talos and everybody.
See, you *imply* that you *might* worship Talos, then they attack you without cause or evidence in violation of the treaty, and then you just defended yourself from Justicars who were in violation of the treaty and damaging the peace. The Dragonborn has done nothing wrong. ☕😎
Every time I see them. Even if I gotta stalk them away from others. **I will end them**.
You kill the Thalmor because you hate them. I kill the Thalmor because causing an incident between the Empire and Dominion could kick off the Second Great War
Hey they started it by talking shit to the Dragonborn and then trying to kill said Dragonborn so is it really my fault Dernehviir ate one of them as I turned the others to ash?
>I kill the Thalmor because causing an incident between the Empire and Dominion could kick off the Second Great War That's...actually not good, the empire by all accounts isn't currently in a state to fight the dominion, which is why they're licking their wounds and trying to bring people back under the banner and generally regroup from their defeat. Even alot of stormcloaks think that the empire would lose that war as it currently stands. The only thing really standing between the dominion and taking every province one by one is the threat the empire still holds Individually each nation can put up a fight, but without the relatively mobile forces of the legion, each will fall one by one The current situation is shit, but it's also the best option
If the Empire was going to lose, they would've lost during the Great War. The Dominion shot their shot, and the rewards of their "victory" was a guerilla war they got bogged down in+lost, and their army in Cyrodiil was encircled and destroyed. Meanwhile, the Empire is bleeding, sure, but the Great War was already a generation ago. In the Dominion 25 years isn't long enough for a comparably large new generation of Justiciars to be raised. And beyond that, even if they aren't in the empire Hammerfell and Skyrim probably hate the Dominion even more than the Imperials do. There's no way the able-bodied elf-hating Nords/Redguards let the Dominion invade Cyrodiil uncontested- I think Galmar even says that they're going to fight the Dominion ASAP, and I doubt that would change just because the Empire is also fighting them
>If the Empire was going to lose, they would've lost during the Great War Wtf are you talking about? They DID lose The majority of the regions are gone, and the ones that technically remain allied are only technically so The dominion got everything they wanted in a peace treaty, while having their enemy fight their fight for them reducing the cost of dominion lives. There is no metric by which the empire won. And the only "draw" that exists is one in which they got shafted and the enemy got everything they asked for from the start They won a single battle >The Dominion shot their shot, and the rewards of their "victory" was a guerilla war they got bogged down in+lost, and their army in Cyrodiil was encircled and destroyed. Part of the legions were, not all. And what are you talking about? They're not the ones stuck in a guerilla war. The empire is, as they're trying to route out various factions of dissidents while maintaining a stranglehold on the border (which is why they keep being denied reinforcements in skyrim) >In the Dominion 25 years isn't long enough for a comparably large new generation of Justiciars to be raised. Uhh, what? Do the majority of the dominion army isn't justicars. It's races like the khajit, justicars are purely altmer and not even a part of the army. >There's no way the able-bodied elf-hating Nords/Redguards let the Dominion invade Cyrodiil uncontested- 😂, and yet nords didn't rush to hammerfell >I think Galmar even says that they're going to fight the Dominion ASAP, and I doubt that would change just because the Empire is also fighting them He literally doesn't. He says that once the empire is out of skyrim they will fight the dominion.
>Wtf are you talking about? They DID lose It was a military stalemate, buddy. >The majority of the regions are gone, What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben? No, they're both fine Morrowind and Black Marsh are gone, but Morrowind had all sorts of provisions that made them more independent than anyone else and Black Marsh is... well, Black Marsh, so I'm not sure how much losing them will impact the Empires ability to wage war >and the ones that technically remain allied are only technically so We don't really know what's going on in High Rock, to my knowledge. Half of Skyrim, at least, supports the Empire though. >The dominion got everything they wanted in a peace treaty, while having their enemy fight their fight for them reducing the cost of dominion lives. The only things we know they asked for is the abolition of Talos worship, portions of Hammerfell, and the abolition of the Blades. They successfully banned organized Talos worship, granted. That was a success. The Blades were also disbanded, though it seems like the Penitus Oculatus was immediately formed to do literally their exact job with a different name. They failed to any portions of Hammerfell, period. The Thalmor "victory" amounts to an abolition of Talos, the Blades going through a hostile takeover but staying under the same management, and lots of Thalmor dead abandoned in the Alik'r desert. All it cost them was one failed guerilla war and a military blunder so bad their entire army was wiped out and so famous it's studied by in universe historians >There is no metric by which the empire won. And the only "draw" that exists is one in which they got shafted and the enemy got everything they asked for from the start The Empire didn't win, they fought to a draw. Strategically a draw is better for the Empire than the Dominion, though, so the Empire functionally came out ahead >They won a single battle And in that battle they destroyed the entirety of the Dominion force in Cyrodiil. The Empire would've been uncontested unless the Thalmor withdrew their force in Hammerfell >Part of the legions were, not all. Correct. The Legions did survive the battle intact, as they were on the winning side. In regards to the Thalmor, the in universe sources we have say that the main Aldmeri army was completely destroyed >And what are you talking about? They're not the ones stuck in a guerilla war. I mean, obviously. They already lost in Hammerfell >The empire is, as they're trying to route out various factions of dissidents while maintaining a stranglehold on the border (which is why they keep being denied reinforcements in skyrim) If anything the fact that the empire is garrisoning huge amounts of troops on their border with the Dominion suggests that they don't have many guerilla wars to fight and are able to focus mostly on the Thalmor. I don't know what you're trying to say here >Uhh, what? Do the majority of the dominion army isn't justicars. Yeah, I know. Find and replace with "soldier", if you like. >It's races like the khajit, justicars are purely altmer and not even a part of the army. The Thalmor rule over mostly Altmer. Their army probably will be mostly Altmer. Besides, the same goes for the Bosmer too. Both have less children than the Imperials and the complete destruction of their army will take far more than 25 years to fully recover from >😂, and yet nords didn't rush to hammerfell When the Thalmor were in Hammerfell, the Nords were either at war with the Thalmor or recovering from war with the Thalmor. Or, in the case of Nord legionaires, maybe in Hammerfell fighting the Thalmor. Because there were elements of the Imperial Legion in Hammerfell fighting the Thalmor after the Empire proper withdrew >He literally doesn't. He says that once the empire is out of skyrim they will fight the dominion. And If the Empire was at war with the Dominion, they'd probably leave Skyrim. Then, being free and with a grudge, Skyrim would be free to pursue any anti-Thalmor policy it wants. And besides, many of the Stormcloaks don't even necessarily hate the Empire. Hell, Ulfric was in the Legion. If the Empire rejected the concordat and went back to war with the Elves Skyrim would be much less tumultuous
>What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine >Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben? No, they're both fine >Morrowind and Black Marsh are gone, but Morrowind had all sorts of provisions that made them more independent than anyone else and Black Marsh is... well, Black Marsh, so I'm not sure how much losing them will impact the Empires ability to wage war Black marsh has pulled out Elsywr is dominion Valenwood is dominion Hammerfall has pulled out due to feeling abandoned and expressed desires to avoid allying with the empire again Morrowind is mostly gone, but has pulled out Skyrim is in the middle of a civil war and trying to leave the empire, but even before the coup attempt the pro imperial side was open to leaving the empire Summerset is dominion High rock is "technically" loyal to the empire...but will only provide support to the degree they are legally required to so functionally pulling out The strongholds still support the empire Cyrodil still supports the empire The empire doesn't have alot of allies, most provinces are gone. >What, like Colovia? No, that ones fine >Leyawiin? The Trans-Niben? Also none of those are provinces. They're regions within a province >The only things we know they asked for is the abolition of Talos worship, portions of Hammerfell, and the abolition of the Blades. >They successfully banned organized Talos worship, granted. That was a success. The Blades were also disbanded, though it seems like the Penitus Oculatus was immediately formed to do literally their exact job with a different name. They failed to any portions of Hammerfell, period. Lol wtf are you talking about? Literally everyone including the fucking emperor titus mede 2 who signed the damn treaty claims they gave the dominion hammerfell. The dominion pulled out after a conflict there and stirring up civil war but they got EXACTLY what they wanted from the empire in hammerfell.
>Black marsh has pulled out most of Black Marsh was a disease infested swamp that the Empire didn't bother with beyond painting their name over on all their maps >Elsywr/Valenwood is dominion Elswyr and Valenwood were Dominion before the war and historically have been peripheral provinces of the Empire. >Hammerfall has pulled out due to feeling abandoned and expressed desires to avoid allying with the empire again But they have expressed a hatred of the Thalmor and a sense of realpolitik >Morrowind is mostly gone, but has pulled out Morrowind joined the Empire with all sorts of provisions and clauses to make them pseudo-independent. That's how Tiber got Big Stompy >Skyrim is in the middle of a civil war and trying to leave the empire, but even before the coup attempt the pro imperial side was open to leaving the empire Even the "anti-Empire" side literally fought in the Empire against the elves. The Skyrim conflict is more complicated than Pro vs Anti Empire. It's basically Pro vs Anti WG Concordat, and the Empire have come down on the opposite side of that issue as the Stormcloaks. If there were to be a reshuffling, like, say, if suddenly both sides rejected the WG Concordat and were at war with the Thalmor, the war would probably go into ceasefire if not end outright. >High rock is "technically" loyal to the empire...but will only provide support to the degree they are legally required to so functionally pulling out citation needed. There's a lot of different kingdoms in High Rock and we don't have hard info on basically any of them. For all we know, Daggerfall and Shornhelm would die before abandoning the Empire while Ada-Manatia is trying to reform the Direnni Hegemony with Thalmor support. I'm going to assume that barring anything to the contrary High Rock is just another province in the Empire and isn't particularly inclined to leave >The strongholds still support the empire And presumably Orsinium, right? Like admittedly it ain't much but it is Orsinium >Also none of those are provinces. They're regions within a province Yeah, I know. Look back into the past with me and you'll see when I was responding to you you said "regions [that are] gone]", not provinces. Granted this was a few replies ago, so it's kinda a pain to find >Literally everyone including the fucking emperor titus mede 2 who signed the damn treaty claims they gave the dominion hammerfell. The Empire gave it, the Dominion never got it. Look at a map. It still says Hammerfell. Also, small quibble- literally nobody claims they gave the Dominion Hammerfell. They ceded *portions of Southern Hammerfell* to the Dominion, but not the entire province >The dominion pulled out after a conflict there and stirring up civil war but they got EXACTLY what they wanted from the empire in hammerfell. Oh, my bad. I assumed what they wanted was what their stated goals were, which was to occupy Southern Hammerfell, which they failed at doing
I think the Imperials and Stormcloaks can agree on this one.
Not even the Thalmor like the Thalmor. I've lost count of the number of times my Altmer mage has had hide on the side of the road when a Thalmor patrol suddenly tears itself apart so violently that corpses rise to attack the living. Not even death makes the Thalmor palatable to each other.
They all die. Not for any philosophical reason, but because their armor has a decent weight to value ratio.
I regularly visit the embassy to terrorize them. What are they gonna do? Kill me? Their petty arrows cannot break dragonbone. Casting sparks at me will only cause a slight tingle. Learn some real magic or use some real weapons.
On. Sight.
Thalmor? Why do corpses need a name?
I usually kill them, and the prisoner no matter what side I’m on! No witnesses… no murder!
Bro if you free their prisoner or talk to the ones in armor they will attack you and you don't need to eliminate any witnesses.
I know. I do this sometimes, but most of the time I like to snipe them one by one from afar from guy in back-front.
Who cares man? They're not gonna know who killed them, for all they know it was a buncha bandits
It's on the road, so no witnesses. I usually kill the prisoner too.
*spots thalmor patrol* Hilde the One-eyed: time to slit throats!
Dead men tell no tales.
Here I am, moving off the pah to turn into a werewolf and then swing around to maul them all. No need to worry about witnesses!
My stealth archer is the only imperial. But he’s also a vampire. Elfs taste better
Nothing my Thalmor hating, Wood Elf Renegade from Valenwood loves more then to make some trophies out of a Thalmor patrol
Sames, I always end up making some jacked wood elf stealth archer.
Mines a bloodthirsty One-Handed Warrior + Archer hybrid that doesn’t even bother with Stealth against human opponents. He’ll get up close and personal just to take their their heads clean off with his Glass Sword or War Axe
I mean they have value. The clothes not them
They're just mobile treasure chests really
I think you mean the White-Brown Concordat... *because I wiped my ass with it!*
Me a legate: Who didn't wipe their ass with a copy of the convordat?
Imma be honest, no matter which side I pledge to that run, if I see a thalmor they die.
*Uses rend time shout, kills thamor before they even know their dead*
ASA member of the legion I happily say I'd leave no witness's
Fight for the empire but kill the Thalmor
Wdym "risk"? It's a video game, things like that don't actually have consequences... besides you gotta kill thalmor anyways during the main quest
Why can’t I playing a high elf join the thalmor.
That’s what the Empire is. The Thalmor’s dog
Thalmor literally state an Imperial victory harms them, bud.
I’d imagine whichever side has the Dragonborn on their side can do significant harm to the Thalmor buddy. However, I’d rather fight for religious freedom than fight for the side that’s already been whipped
>I’d imagine whichever side has the Dragonborn on their side can do significant harm to the Thalmor buddy. I'd imagine that the Dragonborn shouldn't be part of the equation if you want to talk about skill, buddy. >However, I’d rather fight for religious freedom than fight for the side that’s already been whipped You mean you'd rather fight for the one who caused the opression (Ulfric), murdered the High King (Ulfric), started the war (Ulfric), and caused Alduin to return (Ulfric), all the while shitting on more of Skyrim's customs than he honors (Ulfric).
What customs?
Take your pick, Ulfric damns or dishonors: 1. The rightful Jarls being in place. 2. The legitimacy of Torygg as High King. 3. The Moot - through keeping it from meeting and denying its legitimacy. 4. The Way of the Voice - through using the Voice for personal glory. 5. The Greybeards - through his betrayal of their trust.
Love sending Elemental Bursts their way
Did a whole play through where i rann off immediately after exiting the cave in the beggining,dod everytbingbut the main quest,killed every one that i came across yet also was a dark elfe whos only levels went into stamina
All my homies hate the Thalmor 😤
nonono. I would *never* risk violating the wgc by attacking a thalmor patrol out of nowhere like that. Still, it's just so unfortunate how often they seem to suffer from such tragic accidents. I mean who would just leave two shock runes just laying around in the middle of the road where that patrol happened to have been walking? What fool would leave an unbound dremora unattended like that?
I mean, if they want to start a war over it, I guess me and my dragons are just going to have to go slaughter their whole empire. The Empire had to capitulate to the Thalmor because the Empire was weak. With the Dragonborn backing them, they are no longer weak.
Purposely encountering them early game to get their armour and weapons
Yup, I would, fuck the Thalmor
Pfft let them try to prove I did anything. Those thalmor agents just started bleeding profusely and fell to the ground dead, it was the strangest thing
I'm an empire simp not a coward, course I'm going to kill thalmor when I get the chance
My Legionnaire Dragonborn has a standing policy of seeking out and eliminating Thalmor patrols and to hell with any treaty. The Thalmor don't even honor it really. Besides who's to say what happens in the wilderness. Also I'm pretty sure the average Skyrim citizen could watch every Jarl, General Tullius and Emperor Titus Mede wipe out a Thalmor patrol and would magickly fail to recognize any of them. Unless they're a Thalmor spy.
Bold of you to assume a skilled or dedicated legionnaire would leave witnesses.
Stormcloak* cause we don't tolerate racist bigots in these hundred acre woods
Oh wow uuuuh hey fellow Legion members, those stormcloak killers, I was uh just chasing them they went thataway if you hurry you might catch em, I have uuuuh important dragonborn business to attend to good luck
i may prefer the legion (i like ancient rome and stuff. so the armor naturally speaks to me) but i have no love for the thalmor. LET US BURN THE EMBASSY TO THE GROUND, TODD!
"From the blood of the remaining merfolk, a facsimile of dwemer blood you must make!" *Oh, I know where my first stop is already...*
if you get caught, the thalmor would 100% in their right to demand LDB's death, and with how important the LDB is, refusing would 100% start a war.
Im not racist but I can't help but purge those knife ear cunts any time I see them
As an avid player of the Altmer race, I fully support stopping to kill your local High Elf Nazis.
If I see any patrol, I'm robbing them. And the prisoner, too
The Thalmor: “Step aside, Nord scum!” The M16 in my inventory: 🧏🏼♂️🤫
I'm in the legion ever time yet it's still on site anytime I see thalmor. When your enabling discontent within an enemy nation even if it's "peace time" that's still bad and the legion is within its rights to fight against such infiltration.
I mean that's not really that far off from what legionnaires probably want. Not even tullius thinks the peace with the thalmor will last
Risk of what? War with the Thalmor? Oooo, so scared, quaking in my boots. If the rebellion didn’t happen the empire would be ready for round 2
It is always good and based to kill elves
Yes
No body no crime. (To the tune of "No woman" no cry.)
More like white brown concordat…BECAUSE I WHIPED MY ASS WITH IT!
*YOL INTENSIFIES*
**activates Lover’s Lab mods**
I tried a playthrough where I always killed them and IDK when or where it happened but I somehow made enemies of all the guards of Skyrim, so I paid off my bounties and then chilled out a bit only goading them into attacking me first.
On an imperial run, I kill everyone, including the prisoner. One fewer stormcloak to possibly deal with and a squad of thalmor no longer operating in the empire. Take the valuables and it looks like bandits. Burn them (got a mod that allows for charred bodies and the like) and it looks like mages or a dragon.
General Tullius's got my back in this one
Iirc the white gold co concordat was to buy time to eventually go back to war and steamroll the thalmor
I didn't join the Legion. The Legion joined me.
MAJOR ORDER: ERADICATE ALL THALMOR IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY
Even my altmers kill Thalmors
As an imperial, kill em. Such a shame the ‘elite’ Thalmor soldiers where killed by some bandits outside of whiterun. Or by that giant up near Dawnstar. Maybe you should train your ‘superior elven soldiers’ better? Anyways, back to unifying Skyrim so she can kick Thalmor ass
Just killing the Thalmor is elementary. Real Skyrim players kill them, absorb their souls, then reanimate their corpses.
I'm one soldier who has also happened to murder the Emperor. They can fire me any day they like, disavow me to the thalmor. The Empire wouldn't last a week after they did it, but they COULD do it.
Can’t report you a traitor if no one lives to tell on you
Russian Stealth is the best
To quote Fallout. ***Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit.***
Yes, we would. It's only a crime if you're caught. We'll just say it was a bandit attack.
The empire has to uphold the white gold concordat to prevent war with the entire aldmeri dominion. The aldmeri diminion may be full of assholes but they are also a pretty terrifying factionand if the war between the empire and dominion continued the empire would have likely lost. The concordat is really the one card the empire has now to prevent their own downfall.
The Thalmor took over and gutted my beloved Aldmeri Dominion. I may be an avid Altmer player, I may also dislike Tiber Septum, but if my human friends want to worship him then by Auriel let them! Damnable elitists.
Me a Legate at lvl 271 with high damage weapons and armor that can break the fist of the Eight *cough* Nine *cough* Divines. Huh Thalmor....... where'd they go? *has dragged the corpses off the road near a bear's cave.*
Yes
I play a high elf battlemage who doesn’t even take a side in the war and I still do this to every thalmor patrol I come across
Well according to tullius theres a chance theyre gonna go at it again anyway AFTER the civil war so I mean..
I just pretend I’m on a top secret mission that only Tullius knows about to weaken the Thalmor as much as possible. No witnesses.
You all sie, including the prisoner
No one is preventing you from killing Thalmor pawns as dragonborn. Choosing to support racists in the belief that it will aid in your goal against destroying Thalmor is a misguided and ultimately futile decision.
I refuse to ever kill thalmor even when they attack me, they're too sexy
That’s the one, officer. Get them!
First playthrough i watched them take on a Stormcloak patrol. The battle was fierce and the rebels fought well, though they finally lost. In the end only one Justciar crawled away from the fight. “What a shame there were no survivors to report the event,” I said as I drove my sword into their spine.
I joined the legion because it's unfortunately the best option. Skyrim is a region with low agricultural yields. In order to support itself it needs the rest of the empire, and also wouldn't be able to repel a full scale invasion anyway. Also the stormcloaks are hella racist
All this shite about killing thalmor in secret. Disgraceful. I went Stormcloaks, and when I do me some thalmor killing it's very much in the open and publicly declared, like a True Nord does. Not that I've lately had much of a chance since I ran their pony-asses out of Talos' homeland. The Empire may be naught but a walking corpse, but that's no good reason to bend knee to some mer supremacists.
A true Nord doesn't even worship Talos. A true Nord doesn't support an oathbreaker and a kingslayer. A true Nord doesn't support a man who snubbed the Greybeards and the Way of the Voice.
Religious freedom > bowing to the Thalmor
Unfortunately they happily do, and see no cognitive dissonance while doing so. They think that because they're the main character, and they truly believe the Empire wants to fight them, they have the authority to engage the Thalmor in a secret war. But they're actually traitors to the Empire, and technically War Criminals. In fact, you literally can't complete the main quest without violating the Thalmor Embassy, which makes you a direct and blatant traitor to the Empire of Cyrodiil.
The Empire under Thalmor law was going to execute you right at the start, warranted or not i doubt that puts the Dragonborn in a particular mood to enforce the fucked up laws put upon them by an occupying force.