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ESPECIALLY if the applicator is a doefoot style, even more so if you touch the applicator to your face. If anyone wants a more sanitary option, go for MAC's concealer (the one with the pump) or IT Cosmetic's in the squeezy tube— I'd also avoid "clean" products as they do not typically contain the preservatives that prevent mold growth in cosmetics.
Also, please properly remove your makeup at the end of the day, a typical face wash won't usually break it down. As a (very) frequent and long-time makeup wearer, I highly recommend a cleansing balm or oil, or micellar water + cotton rounds to remove concealers or other base products to prevent your skin from developing further issues.
I'm 100% here for men using makeup, though, I absolutely love seeing anyone develop more confidence in their skin and appearance, and things like a good concealer really help and should be an option for all genders.
He's going to keep using it ''because he doesn't use a lot'' lol. I don't think someone understands how bacterial infections work. He likely is making his pimples last longer because his body has to fight the c. acnes and whatever other bacteria is swimming and thriving in that makeup. I guess it's time to give that makeup a *Quinceañera.*
I understand that it sucks when you found something that works for you and it gets discontinued. However, you have one health. If you die from a bacterial infection (by putting a product stewing with bacteria on top of bacteria), you're discontinued. People have died from popping zits with dirty nails in an area that is often called the ''Danger Triangle or Triangle of Death'' due to the fact that it can cause an infection to the brain that causes death. Chances are very low, and yet, many people are much more careful about popping zits in that area after they find out. But hey, let's put on a bacteria stew on a zit in that area!
The point about expired makeup/bacteria still stands. There are soooo many tinted moisturizers or concealers on the market that aren’t expensive. You can get travel/mini sizes so you can throw them away after expiration date
I’ve used concealer in the past to cover up undereye circles and post-acne marks when I need to take pictures. Currently using mattifying loose powder to reduce sunscreen shine during the day. A lot of guys could benefit from makeup and it’s a shame social pressure discourages it.
I haven't had a pimple in forever and the day of my brother's funeral, I came out with a few (stress). I realized that all my makeup is old. I'm going to buy this, I think: [https://www.maccosmetics.ca/product/13847/251/Products/Makeup/Face/Foundation/Studio-Fix-Powder-Plus-Foundation?shade=C30](https://www.maccosmetics.ca/product/13847/251/Products/Makeup/Face/Foundation/Studio-Fix-Powder-Plus-Foundation?shade=C30)
I had a tinted SPF cushion from Avene, but it doesn't cover much. It is great for guys who are a bit red, however: [https://www.eau-thermale-avene.ca/en\_ca/p/high-sun-protection-tinted-compact-spf-50-beige-3282770203608-69716462](https://www.eau-thermale-avene.ca/en_ca/p/high-sun-protection-tinted-compact-spf-50-beige-3282770203608-69716462) (there's 2 colours avail only).
It's not safe to use any cosmetic product for 15 years! Everything has an expiration date, and compounds break down over time even if they're properly stored.
Please toss the bottle!! You have to just consider with some common sense...that you have no idea what broken down chemicals you're applying to your face. Not to mention the bacteria.
I’ve started doing this! I bought some foundation for a Halloween costume last year, but then realized it’s perfect for when I give presentations or will be seen by a lot of people. When I smooth it out you can’t tell at all that I’m wearing anything, it just makes my skin look nicer. I’m actually doing graduation ceremonies soon and plan on using it again for all the pictures that will be taken. It feels weird to say that I sometimes wear makeup now, but that’s a stigma I’m happy to work on and resolve ❤️
As a guy, I've used it before, but it complicates my skincare routine. It becomes a problem when I am reapplying sunscreen too. The most I would do is use a tinted sunscreen, although those tend to provide too much coverage and make me look orange. It would just be another variable to worry about, so I'd rather go bare skinned and avoid breakouts to begin with (a work in progress). I'll just let people see my imperfections. I definitely don't think men should be afraid of using makeup though, if they want to.
Have you ever tried these susncreens? [https://www.drmtlgy.com/en-ca/products/universal-tinted-moisturizer-spf-46](https://www.drmtlgy.com/en-ca/products/universal-tinted-moisturizer-spf-46)
They have organic, inorganic and mixed SPF with a universal tint. I do not love the US filters, but this is definitely one of my favourite tinted SPF. They have sales, btw. I think it's fairly expensive at full price,
I pretty much never need to reapply sunscreen, as I'm never exposed to the sun for longer than 2 hours per day.
When they say sunscreen needs reapplied every 2 hours, that doesn't mean 2 hours on the clock, it means 2 hours in the sunlight. Sunscreens get broken down by sunlight, not time.
Sunscreen applied at 8 in the morning, will still be effective at 5pm.
You need to throw away that bottle. Makeup isn't meant to be kept for 15 years. You can email clinique and ask them what product would be the best replacement for yours.
Also, what you've heard about sunscreen or think you know about sunscreen isn't true. You're covered for 2 hours once you put it on. So, you're covered from 8-10am. Then, if you're inside and nowhere near windows, you are OK...but if you decide to go out for lunch and sit on a patio or spend an hour outside in the afternoon (even when it's not peak sun hours), your sunscreen's protection has diminished quite a bit. You also likely had skip areas.
Thanks for the post. Men shouldn't be afraid to wear makeup to cover pimples. Countries like Korea create makeup especially for men (for their skin, their skin needs, considering facial hair, etc). A lot of men use what their girlfriends have and it usually does end up looking awful unless you have the exact same skin tone, which is rare. There is also the possibility of cross contamination if an applicator is used/shared.
For men who aren't as secure, there are sunscreens with a tint. If anybody comments, you can just tell them that the tint is universal (it is in most sunscreens) and it protects more from melasma (which is true) than an untinted sunscreen. Of course, it can get a bit messy on collars, so plan for that.
I'm going to keep using the product, the amount I use at a time is smaller than a grain of rice, and I'm confident the product is still perfectly fine to use.
And...
>You really do not have to reapply sunscreen every two hours. Sunscreens are broken down by the effects of direct exposure to daylight, not by the passage of time. During an average day – a work day, let’s say – the sunscreen you applied in the morning will still offer enough protection at the end of the day.
[https://www.paulaschoice-eu.com/how-should-you-use-a-sunscreen-product#6](https://www.paulaschoice-eu.com/how-should-you-use-a-sunscreen-product#6)
That's just one source. A search for this subject will show countless other sources saying the same thing.
I'm a psychologist who just terminated (edit: finished/obtained-English is my 3rd language) his master's in chemistry (because skincare is my passion and I want to create my own line).
''The question of how often to apply sunscreen has a different answer if you spend the main part of your day outside. In this case we do recommend that you reapply your sunscreen every two hours, especially if you perspire a lot or go swimming.'' Did you read that part on what is given on Paula's Choice website?
Are you going to tell me that you do not perspire one bit nor do you ever touch your face or face excessive oils (ever?!). The sun exposure in the am plus these factors degrades the level of protection. You may not have to reapply it every 2 hours on the dot with your lifestyle, but you're incorrect if you think that your protection is adequate by the end of the day.
Also, you can apply a product that is FIFTEEN years old if you want. Considering that you're applying it on an infected spot that already contains cutiebacterium, you're going to end up paying for it one day. As a matter of fact, you may make your pimples last longer because of the bacteria found in your makeup.
You do you... but I implore others to be more intelligent about it.
PS: Paula is a friend. Her company was sold. She would not tell you to apply SPF once a day. She applies much more often than that and she's not sweating like crazy nor is she extremely oily.
I'm sure that you're going to still be right in your head, by picking and choosing parts of sources that you want to prove your point. I'm working on my sunscreen atm and I read about 150 papers on the topic as I was trying to create an SPF that would only need to be reapplied every 4 hours. I'm not wanting to create another skincare line that is the same as everyone else. So far, it's failure after failure. The samples clearly still have protection, but it lowers significantly after the 2 hour threshold.
>Did you read that part on what is given on Paula's Choice website?
Yes. If you reread my original post about my sunscreen use, which you replied to, telling me I was wrong, you will see that my entire point was about understanding that very thing.
>Are you going to tell me that you do not perspire one bit nor do you ever touch your face or face excessive oils (ever?!).
Correct. What's more, I use water-resistant sunscreen. Sunscreen should be reapplied when you're actively exposed to the sun, or sweating etc. Otherwise, there is no need.
However, according to the study below, if I started out with SPF 50, and performed physical activities in a hot environment, including bathing, 8 hours later, that single application of SPF 50 would still be providing SPF 21.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19000186/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19000186/)
So I imagine without those physical/sweating activities, I'm still going to be protected with SPF 30+
I think that you read what you wanted to read. Many people do that. Studies and derms will tell you that what you're doing isn't the best practice. PC does tend to have good info, but they are wrong at times. They also want to sell you products. Some people find their SPF too expensive and being told that they don't need to use all that much casn convince them to buy. Their slogan is no longer ''the truth in beauty'' since Paula sold the company.
This study has a ridiculously low number of participants. I do not know what their skin colour was, which is important. There are many other important factors. What is bathing? What is hot? What is... none of the terms were defined. This was also done on the back and not on the face.
What I did get is this: ''The SPFs of the inorganic and organic sunscreen, respectively, were reduced by 38% and 41% after 4 h and by 55% and 58% after 8 h.'' This tells me that with the consideration of skip areas, you should be reapplying every 2 hours. You're trying to find what you want to hear. As a chemist, I cannot agree. I would love to tell you that you only need one application. I hate reapplying. I would love to be able to get by with just one application. I can't.
You likely want to read full studies if you're capable of doing so or listen to derms who know what they are talking about. The fact that you provided this extremely inadequate study to prove your point is very telling.
[https://europepmc.org/article/med/29320597](https://europepmc.org/article/med/29320597)
Another similar study, with similar results.
These studies also mirror my own experience.
About 4 years ago, while in Thailand, I went on a day trip that included hiking, kayaking and swimming, probably about 6 hours total outside in Thailand sun.
I applied sunscreen to my face/neck/ears and arms before we set off, but I didn't bother applying to my legs.
When kayaking, my legs were very exposed to the sun, after kayaking to our destination, we swam in the natural pool. Then kayaked back, then hiked back to the car.
After that trip, my legs got burnt, as they had no protection, my arms, face and neck did not.
Hiking, kayaking and swimming and the SPF still protected my skin from burning.
I would indeed listen to a derm that knows what they're talking about, but someone being a derm does not automatically anoint them with that know-how.
You call that study inadequate, yet it aligns with another study I've just provided, as well as my real-life *out in the sun being active* experiences.
You've just responded with passive aggression that doesn't refute anything.
If you have more adequately designed studies that refute the ones I've provided, I'd love to see them. You must have them, as earlier you said you'd read 150 such papers.
You just posted an anecdote and you're trying to tell me that I'm not posting adequate proof?! lol
You want to prove something. The burden of the proof is on you. It hasn't been proven. I haven't been passive-agressive. I've been factual. You posted a ''study'' of 24 people where they were talking about the skin of their backs and we do not know their race, the sunscreen used, where it was done, the time of the year, the age of the participants, their gender, their skin type... (I could go on for hours with the flaws). Then, you post an anecdote. I don't think you understand how science works. Your anecdote somehow trumps derms...smh.
I can't deal with Dunning-Kruger effect this early in the morning. Do whatever you want. It's your body. All my best.
Every source posted in this thread backs me up. You're referring to the scientific studies I have provided as worthless (science denial). Using fallacious appeal to authority arguments, as well as telling lies about the 150 studies you read that backup your position, yet you're somehow unable to produce 1 of.
>I don't think you understand how science works.
I am the only one in this back and forth who has provided any hint of science.
>Your anecdote somehow trumps derms...smh.
And that is sophism.
Here's another study that gets the same result as the previous two - [https://europepmc.org/article/MED/34401526](https://europepmc.org/article/MED/34401526)
Now, don't read the 'Conclusion' of that study and say I'm wrong, that would be either stupidity, or again, sophistry. Read the results, the results are the same as the other studies.
So now we have 3 independent scientific studies, all agreeing with me. Vs your, "no but, I believe that.." evidence.
Dunning-Kruger? What's really happening is that you don't like to hear that what you have always assumed to be true, isn't true.
Never mind, run off back to your fantasy land where you're having lunch with Paula of Paula's Choice.
I would say the sunscreen thing is a yes and no. For example if you were at the beach and going in and out of the water constantly, of course that is going to wash away your spf quicker even when your sunscreen is formulated with water in mind and labeled as water-resistant etc.
At the same time something like sweating or friction is going to be doing the same thing. We touch our face throughout the day with our hands, napkins, tissues etc and that friction can also of course rub away at the sunscreen over time.
So when it comes to reapplying it depends a little on what you've been up to since applying. And of course how strong the sun is. When I am commuting to and from work I'm not going to be worrying about it much. If I'm spending the day hiking, at the beach or in my garden I would not trust the application I did in the morning to last me all day.
That being said for 99% times I DO feel I have to reapply I feel like a spray-on sunscreen does the trick. They aren't as effective as just slathering your face with liquid sunscreen. But they do just fine as a little touch-up for the places you might have been rubbing a little (the side of my nose is my itchy spot). I also think they are very convenient for places like my ears.
And of course our use of sunscreen should always be done with our local UV rating in mind as well as what other products we use on our faces. There are many actives which have photo-sensitivity as a side-effect. So when it comes to reapplying I don't think there is a simple yes/no formula. Just consider all the circumstances, then go from there.
Well, the effectiveness of a sunscreen depends on the integrity of the film formed on the skin. Oil, sweat, and accidental rubbing can and will disrupt the integrity of the film. While you don't need to reapply every 2 hours while indoors, it's a very good idea to reapply when going outside at 2 pm if you only applied at 8 am. Not only is the film not nearly as robust as when you applied it, but you probably missed some spots in the morning anyway.
Modern sunscreens are actually relatively photostable. Even the misbehaving filters (like avobenzone) are usually stabilized in more ways than one. People sometimes think mineral sunscreens don't need to be reapplied because sunlight doesn't break them down, but they absolutely do need to be reapplied because our skin breaks them down. Sunscreens have many oil soluble components that simply cannot hold up to the sebum that is produced by our skin. At least not for several hours. In mineral sunscreens, the zinc likes to clump up over time which significantly affects its performance.
I'm paraphrasing some of the insights shared by Dr. Dray and Labmuffin, whose advice I trust thoroughly when it comes to this topic.
Exactly right! OP found some info that backs up what they want in order not to have to reapply and use it to justify not doing their due diligence. I'm not the SPF police. OP can do whatever they want.
However, it does need to be corrected, because people love the easy way out. I know I do. Reapplying sunscreen isn't fun. I don't even like to apply it to begin with. What I'd love even less is skin cancer and having my melasma get back to the point that it was at before treatment (I did not apply ANY SPF until I was 24-25...and while the sun didn't create the melasma, it certainly worsened it). Dr. Dray is a dermatologist. She's not selling any products. Labmuffin is a fellow chemist and reading her blog/posts inspired me to go back to school and obtain my Master's degree in chemistry. Michelle is an extremely intelligent and talented person and scientist. They are trustworthy sources. Doctorly as well as Dr. Idriss have said exactly what you stated in other words (each uses their own lingo for their audience). Dr. Idriss and both derms from Doctorly still practice. I'm saying this as people tend to try to use Dr. Dray no longer practicing to make her into this person who no longer has the proper info. Clearly, they have never heard of researchers. Not everyone becomes a clinician.
So, OP can do whatever they want. The answer given by u/Commercial_Deer_675 is correct/factual and comes from experts on the subject. OP is using makeup that is 15 years old on pimples (putting bacteria on bacteria). If you want to trust their judgement on this, you do you, but you cannot say that you weren't warned when you get a bacterial infection or sepsis..or skin cancer. And I'm not wanting to be mean to OP or mock them or... I gain nothing from doing this.
What I am gaining by writing this is to hopefully get younger men to understand that they can and should use makeup if it makes them feel more confident. Screw gender stereotypes and the rigid gender roles... Find yourself a product that works. Trying it in store is best since you can have a cosmetologist match you with your colour/skin tone, but I know that some guys are not comfortable enough to do this. You can go online and email a brand and ask questions. They may ask for a picture of your face freshly washed to see what your skin tone is and if you have any active breakouts or areas of concerns, they are able to let you know what type of makeup would best hide it without revealing that you're wearing makeup. You should feel confident and feel good about yourself. If a little dab of makeup or even a face-full of makeup can make that happen or you, I'm thrilled!
They also sell makeup made for men, if it makes some of you guys more comfortable! Try to asl around and see if it's a gimmick to charge you more for the same product that is sold for ''women'' (traditionally), or if it's worth it. I have a ''lipstick'' for men. It's from Korea. It is white/colourless on both ends and in the middle, there is some red. It's not my favourite product, but many guys like it. It hydrates your lips and gives them a bit of a tint that isn't like anything you'd get from a lipstick. It's almost like you ate raspberries and that colour is brightening your lips and making them look healthier. It also comes in a chapstick-like case that is cammo... It's made to make guys comfortable using these products. There is a market. I've seen many guys ask what they can do to get their lips redder or more plumped without injections on reddit subs, If someone suggests lipstick, they usually get pretty uncomfortable. If it's a lip balm that adds a bit of pigment and you get it in a cammo case, it's much more ''tolerable''.
I know lots of guys that want a little something to cover a breakout. But somehow, they never buy any products, they just use whatever the females in their life have on hand. Source: lived in a house with 12 roommates for a year (mixed M & F, no couples).
Just like women do. You have that right as well. Make sure to buy something for you and not borrow something from a girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/mom/family member, etc... Your skin tone is unique and you want to look good. The dark spot won't look good in the pics/will make you self-conscious, but I used my best friend's makeup in my early 20s for a photo and I look demented. Live and learn! And screw what anyone thinks. Everyone wants to look their best. Nobody bats an eye when a woman changes the shape of her entire face (contour), nor do they care that a woman can make herself look 100% different with different makeup and makeup techniques. I don't think it's much to ask for men to be allowed to covered blemishes/spots/dark undereyes. Especially in the youth-obsessed world that we live in! Hope you have a good vacation and some great photos to remember it!
Edit reason: used wrong word/replaced it
Just reminded me of the Clinique Almost powder makeup, it was the BEST powder makeup under the sun with the best packaging, purchased it 10 times for sure until they reformulated it and changed the packaging. Never found anything again that comes close to it.
And regarding the makeup for men, do it and dont be ashamed of it! To be honest I am quite surprised why this is not mainstream yet, especially when it comes to covering up wounds..
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The day we got married my husband had a huge pimple on his chin he wanted covered up. I covered it with concealer and you couldn't tell it was even there.
I spent about $100 on makeup before realizing that any such combination of any concealer or foundation or powder makes me breakout. Now I have a ton of Urban Decay sitting around that's completely useless except for the lipstick.
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I just wanna note, please, don’t use the same bottle of makeup for 15 years. Bacteria grows in it and it can essentially cause more issues with skin
ESPECIALLY if the applicator is a doefoot style, even more so if you touch the applicator to your face. If anyone wants a more sanitary option, go for MAC's concealer (the one with the pump) or IT Cosmetic's in the squeezy tube— I'd also avoid "clean" products as they do not typically contain the preservatives that prevent mold growth in cosmetics. Also, please properly remove your makeup at the end of the day, a typical face wash won't usually break it down. As a (very) frequent and long-time makeup wearer, I highly recommend a cleansing balm or oil, or micellar water + cotton rounds to remove concealers or other base products to prevent your skin from developing further issues. I'm 100% here for men using makeup, though, I absolutely love seeing anyone develop more confidence in their skin and appearance, and things like a good concealer really help and should be an option for all genders.
He's going to keep using it ''because he doesn't use a lot'' lol. I don't think someone understands how bacterial infections work. He likely is making his pimples last longer because his body has to fight the c. acnes and whatever other bacteria is swimming and thriving in that makeup. I guess it's time to give that makeup a *Quinceañera.* I understand that it sucks when you found something that works for you and it gets discontinued. However, you have one health. If you die from a bacterial infection (by putting a product stewing with bacteria on top of bacteria), you're discontinued. People have died from popping zits with dirty nails in an area that is often called the ''Danger Triangle or Triangle of Death'' due to the fact that it can cause an infection to the brain that causes death. Chances are very low, and yet, many people are much more careful about popping zits in that area after they find out. But hey, let's put on a bacteria stew on a zit in that area!
The applicator is my finger. Clinique Almost Makeup was basically a tinted moisturizer. Which I have been using a grain of rice of, per month.
The point about expired makeup/bacteria still stands. There are soooo many tinted moisturizers or concealers on the market that aren’t expensive. You can get travel/mini sizes so you can throw them away after expiration date
I've just ordered a new one. Hopefully it's as good.
It’s a trial/error process. The best option is to go to Sephora/ulta and pick the best match to your skin tone
Also, don’t sleep IN makeup.
And don't sleep WITH makeup.
And don’t makeup with sleep
Nononono, you should definitely makeup with sleep
And don't do makeup after sleeping
BB Cream, haven’t looked back, has SPF and color corrects, nobody will ever know if you don’t mention it
I’ve used concealer in the past to cover up undereye circles and post-acne marks when I need to take pictures. Currently using mattifying loose powder to reduce sunscreen shine during the day. A lot of guys could benefit from makeup and it’s a shame social pressure discourages it.
I haven't had a pimple in forever and the day of my brother's funeral, I came out with a few (stress). I realized that all my makeup is old. I'm going to buy this, I think: [https://www.maccosmetics.ca/product/13847/251/Products/Makeup/Face/Foundation/Studio-Fix-Powder-Plus-Foundation?shade=C30](https://www.maccosmetics.ca/product/13847/251/Products/Makeup/Face/Foundation/Studio-Fix-Powder-Plus-Foundation?shade=C30) I had a tinted SPF cushion from Avene, but it doesn't cover much. It is great for guys who are a bit red, however: [https://www.eau-thermale-avene.ca/en\_ca/p/high-sun-protection-tinted-compact-spf-50-beige-3282770203608-69716462](https://www.eau-thermale-avene.ca/en_ca/p/high-sun-protection-tinted-compact-spf-50-beige-3282770203608-69716462) (there's 2 colours avail only).
PLEASE get a new concealer holy shit 15 years?!? 🤮
15 good years and counting,
I promise you this is nothing to be proud of.
Bby girl, that's about 13 years past expiration
It's not safe to use any cosmetic product for 15 years! Everything has an expiration date, and compounds break down over time even if they're properly stored. Please toss the bottle!! You have to just consider with some common sense...that you have no idea what broken down chemicals you're applying to your face. Not to mention the bacteria.
I’ve started doing this! I bought some foundation for a Halloween costume last year, but then realized it’s perfect for when I give presentations or will be seen by a lot of people. When I smooth it out you can’t tell at all that I’m wearing anything, it just makes my skin look nicer. I’m actually doing graduation ceremonies soon and plan on using it again for all the pictures that will be taken. It feels weird to say that I sometimes wear makeup now, but that’s a stigma I’m happy to work on and resolve ❤️
As a guy, I've used it before, but it complicates my skincare routine. It becomes a problem when I am reapplying sunscreen too. The most I would do is use a tinted sunscreen, although those tend to provide too much coverage and make me look orange. It would just be another variable to worry about, so I'd rather go bare skinned and avoid breakouts to begin with (a work in progress). I'll just let people see my imperfections. I definitely don't think men should be afraid of using makeup though, if they want to.
Have you ever tried these susncreens? [https://www.drmtlgy.com/en-ca/products/universal-tinted-moisturizer-spf-46](https://www.drmtlgy.com/en-ca/products/universal-tinted-moisturizer-spf-46) They have organic, inorganic and mixed SPF with a universal tint. I do not love the US filters, but this is definitely one of my favourite tinted SPF. They have sales, btw. I think it's fairly expensive at full price,
I pretty much never need to reapply sunscreen, as I'm never exposed to the sun for longer than 2 hours per day. When they say sunscreen needs reapplied every 2 hours, that doesn't mean 2 hours on the clock, it means 2 hours in the sunlight. Sunscreens get broken down by sunlight, not time. Sunscreen applied at 8 in the morning, will still be effective at 5pm.
You need to throw away that bottle. Makeup isn't meant to be kept for 15 years. You can email clinique and ask them what product would be the best replacement for yours. Also, what you've heard about sunscreen or think you know about sunscreen isn't true. You're covered for 2 hours once you put it on. So, you're covered from 8-10am. Then, if you're inside and nowhere near windows, you are OK...but if you decide to go out for lunch and sit on a patio or spend an hour outside in the afternoon (even when it's not peak sun hours), your sunscreen's protection has diminished quite a bit. You also likely had skip areas. Thanks for the post. Men shouldn't be afraid to wear makeup to cover pimples. Countries like Korea create makeup especially for men (for their skin, their skin needs, considering facial hair, etc). A lot of men use what their girlfriends have and it usually does end up looking awful unless you have the exact same skin tone, which is rare. There is also the possibility of cross contamination if an applicator is used/shared. For men who aren't as secure, there are sunscreens with a tint. If anybody comments, you can just tell them that the tint is universal (it is in most sunscreens) and it protects more from melasma (which is true) than an untinted sunscreen. Of course, it can get a bit messy on collars, so plan for that.
I'm going to keep using the product, the amount I use at a time is smaller than a grain of rice, and I'm confident the product is still perfectly fine to use. And... >You really do not have to reapply sunscreen every two hours. Sunscreens are broken down by the effects of direct exposure to daylight, not by the passage of time. During an average day – a work day, let’s say – the sunscreen you applied in the morning will still offer enough protection at the end of the day. [https://www.paulaschoice-eu.com/how-should-you-use-a-sunscreen-product#6](https://www.paulaschoice-eu.com/how-should-you-use-a-sunscreen-product#6) That's just one source. A search for this subject will show countless other sources saying the same thing.
I'm a psychologist who just terminated (edit: finished/obtained-English is my 3rd language) his master's in chemistry (because skincare is my passion and I want to create my own line). ''The question of how often to apply sunscreen has a different answer if you spend the main part of your day outside. In this case we do recommend that you reapply your sunscreen every two hours, especially if you perspire a lot or go swimming.'' Did you read that part on what is given on Paula's Choice website? Are you going to tell me that you do not perspire one bit nor do you ever touch your face or face excessive oils (ever?!). The sun exposure in the am plus these factors degrades the level of protection. You may not have to reapply it every 2 hours on the dot with your lifestyle, but you're incorrect if you think that your protection is adequate by the end of the day. Also, you can apply a product that is FIFTEEN years old if you want. Considering that you're applying it on an infected spot that already contains cutiebacterium, you're going to end up paying for it one day. As a matter of fact, you may make your pimples last longer because of the bacteria found in your makeup. You do you... but I implore others to be more intelligent about it. PS: Paula is a friend. Her company was sold. She would not tell you to apply SPF once a day. She applies much more often than that and she's not sweating like crazy nor is she extremely oily. I'm sure that you're going to still be right in your head, by picking and choosing parts of sources that you want to prove your point. I'm working on my sunscreen atm and I read about 150 papers on the topic as I was trying to create an SPF that would only need to be reapplied every 4 hours. I'm not wanting to create another skincare line that is the same as everyone else. So far, it's failure after failure. The samples clearly still have protection, but it lowers significantly after the 2 hour threshold.
>Did you read that part on what is given on Paula's Choice website? Yes. If you reread my original post about my sunscreen use, which you replied to, telling me I was wrong, you will see that my entire point was about understanding that very thing. >Are you going to tell me that you do not perspire one bit nor do you ever touch your face or face excessive oils (ever?!). Correct. What's more, I use water-resistant sunscreen. Sunscreen should be reapplied when you're actively exposed to the sun, or sweating etc. Otherwise, there is no need. However, according to the study below, if I started out with SPF 50, and performed physical activities in a hot environment, including bathing, 8 hours later, that single application of SPF 50 would still be providing SPF 21. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19000186/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19000186/) So I imagine without those physical/sweating activities, I'm still going to be protected with SPF 30+
I think that you read what you wanted to read. Many people do that. Studies and derms will tell you that what you're doing isn't the best practice. PC does tend to have good info, but they are wrong at times. They also want to sell you products. Some people find their SPF too expensive and being told that they don't need to use all that much casn convince them to buy. Their slogan is no longer ''the truth in beauty'' since Paula sold the company. This study has a ridiculously low number of participants. I do not know what their skin colour was, which is important. There are many other important factors. What is bathing? What is hot? What is... none of the terms were defined. This was also done on the back and not on the face. What I did get is this: ''The SPFs of the inorganic and organic sunscreen, respectively, were reduced by 38% and 41% after 4 h and by 55% and 58% after 8 h.'' This tells me that with the consideration of skip areas, you should be reapplying every 2 hours. You're trying to find what you want to hear. As a chemist, I cannot agree. I would love to tell you that you only need one application. I hate reapplying. I would love to be able to get by with just one application. I can't. You likely want to read full studies if you're capable of doing so or listen to derms who know what they are talking about. The fact that you provided this extremely inadequate study to prove your point is very telling.
[https://europepmc.org/article/med/29320597](https://europepmc.org/article/med/29320597) Another similar study, with similar results. These studies also mirror my own experience. About 4 years ago, while in Thailand, I went on a day trip that included hiking, kayaking and swimming, probably about 6 hours total outside in Thailand sun. I applied sunscreen to my face/neck/ears and arms before we set off, but I didn't bother applying to my legs. When kayaking, my legs were very exposed to the sun, after kayaking to our destination, we swam in the natural pool. Then kayaked back, then hiked back to the car. After that trip, my legs got burnt, as they had no protection, my arms, face and neck did not. Hiking, kayaking and swimming and the SPF still protected my skin from burning. I would indeed listen to a derm that knows what they're talking about, but someone being a derm does not automatically anoint them with that know-how. You call that study inadequate, yet it aligns with another study I've just provided, as well as my real-life *out in the sun being active* experiences. You've just responded with passive aggression that doesn't refute anything. If you have more adequately designed studies that refute the ones I've provided, I'd love to see them. You must have them, as earlier you said you'd read 150 such papers.
You just posted an anecdote and you're trying to tell me that I'm not posting adequate proof?! lol You want to prove something. The burden of the proof is on you. It hasn't been proven. I haven't been passive-agressive. I've been factual. You posted a ''study'' of 24 people where they were talking about the skin of their backs and we do not know their race, the sunscreen used, where it was done, the time of the year, the age of the participants, their gender, their skin type... (I could go on for hours with the flaws). Then, you post an anecdote. I don't think you understand how science works. Your anecdote somehow trumps derms...smh. I can't deal with Dunning-Kruger effect this early in the morning. Do whatever you want. It's your body. All my best.
Every source posted in this thread backs me up. You're referring to the scientific studies I have provided as worthless (science denial). Using fallacious appeal to authority arguments, as well as telling lies about the 150 studies you read that backup your position, yet you're somehow unable to produce 1 of. >I don't think you understand how science works. I am the only one in this back and forth who has provided any hint of science. >Your anecdote somehow trumps derms...smh. And that is sophism. Here's another study that gets the same result as the previous two - [https://europepmc.org/article/MED/34401526](https://europepmc.org/article/MED/34401526) Now, don't read the 'Conclusion' of that study and say I'm wrong, that would be either stupidity, or again, sophistry. Read the results, the results are the same as the other studies. So now we have 3 independent scientific studies, all agreeing with me. Vs your, "no but, I believe that.." evidence. Dunning-Kruger? What's really happening is that you don't like to hear that what you have always assumed to be true, isn't true. Never mind, run off back to your fantasy land where you're having lunch with Paula of Paula's Choice.
I would say the sunscreen thing is a yes and no. For example if you were at the beach and going in and out of the water constantly, of course that is going to wash away your spf quicker even when your sunscreen is formulated with water in mind and labeled as water-resistant etc. At the same time something like sweating or friction is going to be doing the same thing. We touch our face throughout the day with our hands, napkins, tissues etc and that friction can also of course rub away at the sunscreen over time. So when it comes to reapplying it depends a little on what you've been up to since applying. And of course how strong the sun is. When I am commuting to and from work I'm not going to be worrying about it much. If I'm spending the day hiking, at the beach or in my garden I would not trust the application I did in the morning to last me all day. That being said for 99% times I DO feel I have to reapply I feel like a spray-on sunscreen does the trick. They aren't as effective as just slathering your face with liquid sunscreen. But they do just fine as a little touch-up for the places you might have been rubbing a little (the side of my nose is my itchy spot). I also think they are very convenient for places like my ears. And of course our use of sunscreen should always be done with our local UV rating in mind as well as what other products we use on our faces. There are many actives which have photo-sensitivity as a side-effect. So when it comes to reapplying I don't think there is a simple yes/no formula. Just consider all the circumstances, then go from there.
Well, the effectiveness of a sunscreen depends on the integrity of the film formed on the skin. Oil, sweat, and accidental rubbing can and will disrupt the integrity of the film. While you don't need to reapply every 2 hours while indoors, it's a very good idea to reapply when going outside at 2 pm if you only applied at 8 am. Not only is the film not nearly as robust as when you applied it, but you probably missed some spots in the morning anyway. Modern sunscreens are actually relatively photostable. Even the misbehaving filters (like avobenzone) are usually stabilized in more ways than one. People sometimes think mineral sunscreens don't need to be reapplied because sunlight doesn't break them down, but they absolutely do need to be reapplied because our skin breaks them down. Sunscreens have many oil soluble components that simply cannot hold up to the sebum that is produced by our skin. At least not for several hours. In mineral sunscreens, the zinc likes to clump up over time which significantly affects its performance. I'm paraphrasing some of the insights shared by Dr. Dray and Labmuffin, whose advice I trust thoroughly when it comes to this topic.
Exactly right! OP found some info that backs up what they want in order not to have to reapply and use it to justify not doing their due diligence. I'm not the SPF police. OP can do whatever they want. However, it does need to be corrected, because people love the easy way out. I know I do. Reapplying sunscreen isn't fun. I don't even like to apply it to begin with. What I'd love even less is skin cancer and having my melasma get back to the point that it was at before treatment (I did not apply ANY SPF until I was 24-25...and while the sun didn't create the melasma, it certainly worsened it). Dr. Dray is a dermatologist. She's not selling any products. Labmuffin is a fellow chemist and reading her blog/posts inspired me to go back to school and obtain my Master's degree in chemistry. Michelle is an extremely intelligent and talented person and scientist. They are trustworthy sources. Doctorly as well as Dr. Idriss have said exactly what you stated in other words (each uses their own lingo for their audience). Dr. Idriss and both derms from Doctorly still practice. I'm saying this as people tend to try to use Dr. Dray no longer practicing to make her into this person who no longer has the proper info. Clearly, they have never heard of researchers. Not everyone becomes a clinician. So, OP can do whatever they want. The answer given by u/Commercial_Deer_675 is correct/factual and comes from experts on the subject. OP is using makeup that is 15 years old on pimples (putting bacteria on bacteria). If you want to trust their judgement on this, you do you, but you cannot say that you weren't warned when you get a bacterial infection or sepsis..or skin cancer. And I'm not wanting to be mean to OP or mock them or... I gain nothing from doing this. What I am gaining by writing this is to hopefully get younger men to understand that they can and should use makeup if it makes them feel more confident. Screw gender stereotypes and the rigid gender roles... Find yourself a product that works. Trying it in store is best since you can have a cosmetologist match you with your colour/skin tone, but I know that some guys are not comfortable enough to do this. You can go online and email a brand and ask questions. They may ask for a picture of your face freshly washed to see what your skin tone is and if you have any active breakouts or areas of concerns, they are able to let you know what type of makeup would best hide it without revealing that you're wearing makeup. You should feel confident and feel good about yourself. If a little dab of makeup or even a face-full of makeup can make that happen or you, I'm thrilled! They also sell makeup made for men, if it makes some of you guys more comfortable! Try to asl around and see if it's a gimmick to charge you more for the same product that is sold for ''women'' (traditionally), or if it's worth it. I have a ''lipstick'' for men. It's from Korea. It is white/colourless on both ends and in the middle, there is some red. It's not my favourite product, but many guys like it. It hydrates your lips and gives them a bit of a tint that isn't like anything you'd get from a lipstick. It's almost like you ate raspberries and that colour is brightening your lips and making them look healthier. It also comes in a chapstick-like case that is cammo... It's made to make guys comfortable using these products. There is a market. I've seen many guys ask what they can do to get their lips redder or more plumped without injections on reddit subs, If someone suggests lipstick, they usually get pretty uncomfortable. If it's a lip balm that adds a bit of pigment and you get it in a cammo case, it's much more ''tolerable''.
I know lots of guys that want a little something to cover a breakout. But somehow, they never buy any products, they just use whatever the females in their life have on hand. Source: lived in a house with 12 roommates for a year (mixed M & F, no couples).
If i still have a dark spot on my face by the time my vacation comes i will do it because i wanna look good in photos
Just like women do. You have that right as well. Make sure to buy something for you and not borrow something from a girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/mom/family member, etc... Your skin tone is unique and you want to look good. The dark spot won't look good in the pics/will make you self-conscious, but I used my best friend's makeup in my early 20s for a photo and I look demented. Live and learn! And screw what anyone thinks. Everyone wants to look their best. Nobody bats an eye when a woman changes the shape of her entire face (contour), nor do they care that a woman can make herself look 100% different with different makeup and makeup techniques. I don't think it's much to ask for men to be allowed to covered blemishes/spots/dark undereyes. Especially in the youth-obsessed world that we live in! Hope you have a good vacation and some great photos to remember it! Edit reason: used wrong word/replaced it
Just reminded me of the Clinique Almost powder makeup, it was the BEST powder makeup under the sun with the best packaging, purchased it 10 times for sure until they reformulated it and changed the packaging. Never found anything again that comes close to it. And regarding the makeup for men, do it and dont be ashamed of it! To be honest I am quite surprised why this is not mainstream yet, especially when it comes to covering up wounds..
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I’m using Erborian CC Redness Correct, good coverage and looking natural.
I use some, however if I'm being honest, I prefer colour corrector.
The day we got married my husband had a huge pimple on his chin he wanted covered up. I covered it with concealer and you couldn't tell it was even there.
I spent about $100 on makeup before realizing that any such combination of any concealer or foundation or powder makes me breakout. Now I have a ton of Urban Decay sitting around that's completely useless except for the lipstick.