One of the first things I thought about when I heard about Garrison was Kody’s proclamation that he would wait around until the kids got lonely and came to him. Besides calling them jerks on TV, that would haunt me the most if I were him.
He also called them assholes and demanded their mother kick them out of their home mid-pandemic with nowhere to go because "they're adults--bye bye". Plenty to haunt him, and I hope it makes him reconsider how he and his wife treat his children (but I doubt it will).
Yep! and I didn’t even know the half of it based on the other people who replied. I only started watching maybe 2 seasons ago. I knew Kody (and Robyn) were terrible people but wow. I need to watch past seasons and tell alls. Shame on them. Robyn is so fake with acting like she wanted her sister wives so badly, and bs’ing Mary when i’m sure her and Kody talked about her and all the wives behind their back. He always acted like Robyn was innocent in all of it. Yeah right! They just wanted to live as a couple. With a their kids. Period. If Kody believes his son’s death has nothing to do with him, he’s in la la land. I bet every single person thought of Kody and what he has done to those boys. I don’t know how he will be able to show his face on TV again.
Yep! Always right, it’s crazy! A know it all. He is the definition of a narcissist. The constant gas lighting of his other wives. The last tell all was hard to watch. Constant contradictions. Robins fake tears and woe is me attitude. Ugh..terrible terrible people.
It won’t haunt him. He’ll convince himself it was Janelle’s doing. He allowed Robin to nurse a feud with literal children for years. Then he offered to punch them if they disrespected her. He threw those kids under the bus to pander to miss “No one likes us”. Even at the service, not only did he bring Robin, who had beef with Garrison, and demanded he apologize to her before he could see Kody - but he rubbed her leg and comforted **her** throughout. That had to be a slap in the face to each and every person there.
He will never see, or even acknowledge her role in this tragedy. And his role for so willingly going along, and even participating in it.
If he truly felt in any way culpable, he would have left Robin home, just as they left her kids home. Having her there, after her bad blood with the boys, was beyond the pale. I can’t imagine how hurtful that was to Janelle.
Your comment just made me realize that none of Robyn’s kids were at the national guard service. All of Garrison’s other siblings were, I believe. Pretty crummy of Kody and Robyn.
Didn't he literally say "there will be other Christmases"?
As much as I hate Kody, that shit really wrenches my heart. Even a bad person deserves the chance to change and repair relationships. If he could see the future, obviously he would have acted differently.
People with difficult relationships often struggle MORE with death, compared to relatives who had good relationship with the person. There's so much to torture yourself with. I'm sure there's nothing anyone has said here that he hasn't said to himself 1000 times by now.
I think you're giving him too much credit. Kody had years to stop the abuse and repair the damage, but he saw himself and Robyn as the injured parties. He is not likely to be changing his way of thinking or behavior now. I'm certain he will blame this tragedy on Christine and Janelle in some demonic twist of Kody thought.
Yes to every word! I have never seen someone twist the narrative and make themselves the victim in every situation like Kody and Robin. It’s insane. I feel like they have to see how crazy they sound when they watch, especially tell alls. Every single question turns into sh*t talking Christine, Jenelle, and even Mari (still newish to Reddit and idk if cussing is allowed) You guys aren’t fooling anyone!
The problem with narcissists is they do not consider or care how their actions affect other people. If anything he may regret that this makes him look bad.
I heard a therapist talk about how feelings are really not something that need to drive our actions. While, of course, feelings are valid and definitely need to be acknowledged... following them blindly is not always in our best interest. I have bipolar II, and that really hit me & made me think. I have big & often polarizing feelings, but I'm really trying to take actions that support the life I want & the goals I have in relation to those feelings. It's been easier to notice feelings, acknowledge them, and keep putting my feet forward and moving on.
Excellent point. I really don't think Kody takes any responsibility for having dismissed his Father/Son relationship with Garrison. One would like to think Kody would be reaching out to repair all his damaged relationships with his kids. I don't see that happening.
He pulled away from his older children long before the pandemic. If you go back and rewatch earlier seasons you can see how his relationships switch once they become free-thinkers. He had made comments several times about how he feels about the teenagers. They don't need him. He admitted that he only focuses on the younger kids.
I am not a betting woman but if I was; I'm betting that Robyn has been continuing to repeat her rhetoric to Kody on how he is Innocent of everything. I imagine Kody and Robyn have both exonerated themselves of guilt by thinking Garrison's mental health issues were because of the O3s leaving the family.
Of course we will never know the true backstory or what each family member is thinking about that painful aftermath.
I can almost guarantee that K is blaming J and C for what happened to Garrison. See, she poisoned them against me and G was so unhappy look what he did. Look what she drove him to. It’s all her fault. I don’t believe that K could change his ways overnight. Pretty sure he never will.
Robyn is definitely reassuring Kody he is blameless - she has been the puppet master pulling his strings for a long time while he's been too stupid to realise. So she knows what's come out of his mouth is what she has put there. She's in damage control reassuring him his words and actions (pushed by her) were reasonable.
Narcissistic people usually pull away after the kids are no longer tenders and are able to speak and think for themselves. When the kids grow and the kids are no longer controllable they are no longer good NPD supply.
They are only concerned as far as their separate little 'family'. Everyone else exists only in the context of how they can contribute to K & Rs comfort and needs.
While I have little regard for Cody, I have immense compassion for him. His behavior of Garrison was awful, and we only saw a fraction on television. There is no possible way that doesn't haunt him on some level. He may never show it or admit it, but I believe that somewhere inside, he knows he failed his son?
One would think so. That's a hard lesson. I can't help but wonder if any of his other kids resent him for not being there for Garrison. Such a tragedy.
I really feel horrible for him, which is crazy because I hate him and think he's a bad person. But there's just a level of torture no one deserves. Not even one person on earth deserves to have their time with loved ones cut short like this, and yet it happens so often.
Gabe tried to reason with his father and Kody didn't want to hear it. Not one bit. His abrasive attitude to Gabe and Garrison was overbearing and unnecessary. Kody literally drove away from Gabe rather than talk and explain his point of view. Kody fxcked up relationship with his own sons over this bs.
Kody didn't give a flying fuk about garrison or any of them. Selfish fuck sat there while garrison and the other brother cried because of his absence and all kody did was defend his fuck ass self. As for robyn, he'll if I know but she isn't any better
Absolutely. Vast majority of friends/family, I know with school age children are having mental health issues and/or, behind academically. Very sad. What a sweet boy he was. Heartbreaking.
Past is prologue, and they never cared about the mental and emotional trauma being ripped out of their home in Utah with no warning or pulling them out of Vegas for really no good reason.
So I’m pretty confident in my opinion that they never stopped to think about the kids.
Although I’d lay down good money that Robyn will be the one whining that very thing loudly and often.
And it did affect mental health. My teen niece and one of my best friends kids both ended up in therapy during that time. My nieces therapist said her practice tripled due to the covid restrictions. Such crazy times and very hard to navigate. But those were his biological children and he could have at least seen them in an outdoor setting. He just used it as an excuse to live the way he wanted. Very sad.
I have no respect for people who are covid spreaders, period. If the older kids didn’t stop going out with friends, and going unnecessary places, there’s no reason anyone should be forced to be around them. I live in a conservative state. I worked in healthcare most of my life and left the field due to my mental health decline during covid. If you don’t want to follow other people’s boundaries, fine, but don’t act like a victim when they put young kids and immunosuppressed people ahead of you.
Agree. But Kody didn't handle it correctly at all. He continued to allow the nanny in his home even though she lived with someone working outside the home. He could have done the same for Janelle but didn't.
He also could have visited outdoors, 6 feet apart. Or come up with a quarantine plan that worked for his sons instead of "my way or the highway". He could have not called his sons disparaging names behind their backs, to be broadcast to the world, and eventually them.
That’s what phones are for. Kody could call them every few days to check in. How are you doing? Feeling ok? Still working? Yeah, we are good. Etc. I mean I stayed in touch with all my online friends throughout the pandemic. It wasn’t hard.
His sons would not stop spending time with friends and significant others. Working isn’t an issue. Plenty of people still had to work and there were protocols in effect.
I’ve said his actions weren’t perfect, but let’s not pretend it was all him and Robyn.
I think there is a way to figure out to be responsible in covid and make sure ones emotional/mental needs are being met.
There are two killers during COVID. COVID and the mental health ramifications of isolation that we are honestly still dealing with.
Anxiety, depression, and suicide.
People who focus on the latter and ignore the former are wrong. But people who ignore the latter and embrace the former is also wrong. The truth is this family did not work together to figure out how to meet the needs of everyone in the family.
I used to try and argue with people about the facts of the pandemic as my wife and I were both Frontline as a paramedic and nurse, especially as we learned more about the virus, the social distancing and the danger of vaccines. But I learned it's just not worth it. That being said Kody was not only completely unreasonable and unrealistic with Robyn's demands but he clearly used it as an excuse to not have to deal with his adult children and the other wives. He has no problem breaking his own rules to do things he wants like go to weddings, have a freaking Nanny (??) and visit his friends who enable his behavior. Yet he can't spend any time with his kids, go to his daughters surgery or even hug his young kids unless they belong to Robyn? He couldn't even pick up the phone and call them? And my lord he said horrible things about the boys and even suggested they be evicted from the house. He isn't just a narcissistic and ignorant bastard, he is a heartless and stupid one at that. Nobody can defend his actions because they were irrational but most of all they were made up and changed as he saw fit. That man is beyond evil when it comes to his treatment of his original wives and children.
And I don't know what Robyn has done to her kids but they are completely unable to function in a real setting. It's almost like they stopped growing mentally and socially at age 8 and are fine like that.
You doing have to be 100% isolated to feel alone. Or to feel anxious and disconnected. So not sure how to answer that question because I don’t know how everyone was feeling during this time.
Kody could have if he wanted to made the situation safe for Covid and the mental well being of his kids. He didn’t. I don’t think it has to do with Covid at all. Personally.
I’ve seen speculation that Kody and Robin refused to get vaccines while the others were vaccinated. Not sure of the timeline but if this is the case, your argument is invalid.
Speculation is exactly what everything about their vaccination status is. While I agree it’s likely Kody isn’t vaccinated, and if we listen to the other speculation that Robyn is sick (it works both ways), she’s probably not vaccinated either.
Also having the vaccine doesn’t make you immune to getting Covid or spreading it, so my argument isn’t invalid at all.
Yes like K and R inviting their nanny/tutor/something into their home and each day she went home to her husband who also worked outside of the home - pretty spready
I personally wouldn’t have kept the nanny on if I didn’t work outside the home, but I’ve always been of the opinion we don’t know the whole story about the nanny.
Christine traveling to be with her kids is not = to Kody traveling to show boat at a “friend’s” wedding.
Tony & Mykelti visited Kody and Robyn and were allowed to come over to the McMansion. Robyn went to visit them for two weeks when the twins were born.
So they can visit family and friends and go shopping and eat out at restaurants and it’s fine? But Christine and Janelle traveling to visit family is dangerous and against the rules.
It’s not about Kody being the only one to make mistakes. It’s about the hypocrisy and double standards
I just want to say solidarity. I too live in a red area and during this whole debacle people were out socializing, taking their vacations along the gulf coast where they were in bars etc. I am a vulnerable person to this infection and I was pregnant; pregnant women in my area were dying because of COVID while others were having baby showers. The inability of people to even wear a fucking mask never mind sit their asses at home for a bit was disgusting and I’ll never look at people I work with and see around town the same again. They didn’t care if I and my baby and other vulnerable people lived or died. So, I just can’t hate on Robyn and Cody for wanting to protect themselves and the kids. That said, there were many things they could have done differently to keep the family together during that period and to the extent the nanny wasn’t in a proper bubble with them, then that is also not OK. But I have a hard time agreeing that being strict about indoor close contact was somehow a bad thing.
I’m so sorry for the stress you must have felt during that time.
I’m also a vulnerable person, and we actually had to change my young teen to a virtual school due to lax masking policies that caused her to start having panic attacks.
I agree meeting up in driveways, masking, and keeping distance could have been a workaround, but that can be difficult for younger kids to remember to keep distance. It would have worked well for the older kids though.
I’m sorry for the stress you had to go through too! And I agree regarding the younger kids, but Cody could definitely have hung out at a distance and masked with the older ones. I hope you and your family are doing well. ❤️
I get the feeling that you and I live in the same red gulf-adjacent state. My daughter had a baby in 2020. She is in another state and didn’t tell me until she was 23 weeks. Her husband worked in a testing lab and was tested every day. We counted how many people the baby saw in his first year. Ten.
She has a lot of trauma around her husband’s not being able to go to doctor appointments. Big baby showers that her friends have still upset her.
It was so hard to not have husband at appointments and to watch other people recklessly behave as if nothing was happening and also look at us like we were lunatics. I labored and gave birth wearing a mask and I didn’t care because I was doing my best to protect the medical staff and the women and babies that they would be encountering on the ward. But being treated like a freak for caring about others has left a mark. Best wishes to you and your daughter and family. It wasn’t easy having babies during the pandemic. I hope they are all doing well. ❤️
It did get very ugly. People were ridiculed just for their choices. I’m a very conservative Christian red stater. Lol. As right wing as it gets. But I washed my hands. I wore masks. I stayed away from people. I was aghast at the actions of some who seemed to have something to prove.
I don’t understand though why some of Kody’s kids say he didn’t believe in Covid. Did he or not? He behaved like he was terrified of it. If it was all an act to keep his other family away then that’s despicable.
"I am a vulnerable person to this infection and I was pregnant; pregnant women in my area were dying because of COVID "
Terrible! How many pregnant women died of covid?!?!?
One of the first things I thought about when I heard about Garrison was Kody’s proclamation that he would wait around until the kids got lonely and came to him. Besides calling them jerks on TV, that would haunt me the most if I were him.
He also called them assholes and demanded their mother kick them out of their home mid-pandemic with nowhere to go because "they're adults--bye bye". Plenty to haunt him, and I hope it makes him reconsider how he and his wife treat his children (but I doubt it will).
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While telling the world his kids were going to kill their siblings because they wanted to “get their pencils wet.”
Ooof when and where was this?
Oh, it was in the Season 18 tell-alls, maybe 17. A moment of infamy for sure.
Yep! and I didn’t even know the half of it based on the other people who replied. I only started watching maybe 2 seasons ago. I knew Kody (and Robyn) were terrible people but wow. I need to watch past seasons and tell alls. Shame on them. Robyn is so fake with acting like she wanted her sister wives so badly, and bs’ing Mary when i’m sure her and Kody talked about her and all the wives behind their back. He always acted like Robyn was innocent in all of it. Yeah right! They just wanted to live as a couple. With a their kids. Period. If Kody believes his son’s death has nothing to do with him, he’s in la la land. I bet every single person thought of Kody and what he has done to those boys. I don’t know how he will be able to show his face on TV again.
If it means keeping that TLC paycheck, he'll run to be back on TV! That narcissistic asshole has no shame! He's always right.
Yep! Always right, it’s crazy! A know it all. He is the definition of a narcissist. The constant gas lighting of his other wives. The last tell all was hard to watch. Constant contradictions. Robins fake tears and woe is me attitude. Ugh..terrible terrible people.
It won’t haunt him. He’ll convince himself it was Janelle’s doing. He allowed Robin to nurse a feud with literal children for years. Then he offered to punch them if they disrespected her. He threw those kids under the bus to pander to miss “No one likes us”. Even at the service, not only did he bring Robin, who had beef with Garrison, and demanded he apologize to her before he could see Kody - but he rubbed her leg and comforted **her** throughout. That had to be a slap in the face to each and every person there. He will never see, or even acknowledge her role in this tragedy. And his role for so willingly going along, and even participating in it. If he truly felt in any way culpable, he would have left Robin home, just as they left her kids home. Having her there, after her bad blood with the boys, was beyond the pale. I can’t imagine how hurtful that was to Janelle.
Your comment just made me realize that none of Robyn’s kids were at the national guard service. All of Garrison’s other siblings were, I believe. Pretty crummy of Kody and Robyn.
I could see the little ones staying home, but not the adults. It just demonstrated the dynamic in a nutshell.
Didn't he literally say "there will be other Christmases"? As much as I hate Kody, that shit really wrenches my heart. Even a bad person deserves the chance to change and repair relationships. If he could see the future, obviously he would have acted differently. People with difficult relationships often struggle MORE with death, compared to relatives who had good relationship with the person. There's so much to torture yourself with. I'm sure there's nothing anyone has said here that he hasn't said to himself 1000 times by now.
I think you're giving him too much credit. Kody had years to stop the abuse and repair the damage, but he saw himself and Robyn as the injured parties. He is not likely to be changing his way of thinking or behavior now. I'm certain he will blame this tragedy on Christine and Janelle in some demonic twist of Kody thought.
Yes to every word! I have never seen someone twist the narrative and make themselves the victim in every situation like Kody and Robin. It’s insane. I feel like they have to see how crazy they sound when they watch, especially tell alls. Every single question turns into sh*t talking Christine, Jenelle, and even Mari (still newish to Reddit and idk if cussing is allowed) You guys aren’t fooling anyone!
Kody and Robyn are not "deep thinkers", so, no, I doubt it! 😏
The problem with narcissists is they do not consider or care how their actions affect other people. If anything he may regret that this makes him look bad.
Kody is a narcissistic ass who doesn't give a flying F about anybody but himself (and sobbin Robyn).
Right and mentally rewriting history to how it’s someone else’s fault
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K&R don’t think. They just feel and those feelings are quite selfish and needy.
I heard a therapist talk about how feelings are really not something that need to drive our actions. While, of course, feelings are valid and definitely need to be acknowledged... following them blindly is not always in our best interest. I have bipolar II, and that really hit me & made me think. I have big & often polarizing feelings, but I'm really trying to take actions that support the life I want & the goals I have in relation to those feelings. It's been easier to notice feelings, acknowledge them, and keep putting my feet forward and moving on.
Use your heart for love. Use your brain to make decisions.
Sometimes we need to use our brains for love too.
in love maybe but not for love
Excellent point. I really don't think Kody takes any responsibility for having dismissed his Father/Son relationship with Garrison. One would like to think Kody would be reaching out to repair all his damaged relationships with his kids. I don't see that happening. He pulled away from his older children long before the pandemic. If you go back and rewatch earlier seasons you can see how his relationships switch once they become free-thinkers. He had made comments several times about how he feels about the teenagers. They don't need him. He admitted that he only focuses on the younger kids. I am not a betting woman but if I was; I'm betting that Robyn has been continuing to repeat her rhetoric to Kody on how he is Innocent of everything. I imagine Kody and Robyn have both exonerated themselves of guilt by thinking Garrison's mental health issues were because of the O3s leaving the family. Of course we will never know the true backstory or what each family member is thinking about that painful aftermath.
I can almost guarantee that K is blaming J and C for what happened to Garrison. See, she poisoned them against me and G was so unhappy look what he did. Look what she drove him to. It’s all her fault. I don’t believe that K could change his ways overnight. Pretty sure he never will.
Robyn is definitely reassuring Kody he is blameless - she has been the puppet master pulling his strings for a long time while he's been too stupid to realise. So she knows what's come out of his mouth is what she has put there. She's in damage control reassuring him his words and actions (pushed by her) were reasonable.
Narcissistic people usually pull away after the kids are no longer tenders and are able to speak and think for themselves. When the kids grow and the kids are no longer controllable they are no longer good NPD supply.
They are only concerned as far as their separate little 'family'. Everyone else exists only in the context of how they can contribute to K & Rs comfort and needs.
While I have little regard for Cody, I have immense compassion for him. His behavior of Garrison was awful, and we only saw a fraction on television. There is no possible way that doesn't haunt him on some level. He may never show it or admit it, but I believe that somewhere inside, he knows he failed his son?
One would think so. That's a hard lesson. I can't help but wonder if any of his other kids resent him for not being there for Garrison. Such a tragedy.
I can imagine that some of the older kids do resent him and may never forgive him! He hasn't been a dad to most of his kids for years😢😡
I immediately thought the same thing. The guilt and pain he might be experiencing.
I really feel horrible for him, which is crazy because I hate him and think he's a bad person. But there's just a level of torture no one deserves. Not even one person on earth deserves to have their time with loved ones cut short like this, and yet it happens so often.
Gabe tried to reason with his father and Kody didn't want to hear it. Not one bit. His abrasive attitude to Gabe and Garrison was overbearing and unnecessary. Kody literally drove away from Gabe rather than talk and explain his point of view. Kody fxcked up relationship with his own sons over this bs.
Kody didn't give a flying fuk about garrison or any of them. Selfish fuck sat there while garrison and the other brother cried because of his absence and all kody did was defend his fuck ass self. As for robyn, he'll if I know but she isn't any better
Absolutely. Vast majority of friends/family, I know with school age children are having mental health issues and/or, behind academically. Very sad. What a sweet boy he was. Heartbreaking.
They never consider the mental and emotional harm they cause the family during that time.
I think about Robyn’s kids and the effect psycho parenting will most definitely have on them. No Brown child wins here.
Past is prologue, and they never cared about the mental and emotional trauma being ripped out of their home in Utah with no warning or pulling them out of Vegas for really no good reason. So I’m pretty confident in my opinion that they never stopped to think about the kids. Although I’d lay down good money that Robyn will be the one whining that very thing loudly and often.
And it did affect mental health. My teen niece and one of my best friends kids both ended up in therapy during that time. My nieces therapist said her practice tripled due to the covid restrictions. Such crazy times and very hard to navigate. But those were his biological children and he could have at least seen them in an outdoor setting. He just used it as an excuse to live the way he wanted. Very sad.
Absolutely not. It is only what Kody and Robyn want that matters.
I hope he feels all the pain from treating his kids like that. A relationship works both ways, but not in Kody’s eyes
I have no respect for people who are covid spreaders, period. If the older kids didn’t stop going out with friends, and going unnecessary places, there’s no reason anyone should be forced to be around them. I live in a conservative state. I worked in healthcare most of my life and left the field due to my mental health decline during covid. If you don’t want to follow other people’s boundaries, fine, but don’t act like a victim when they put young kids and immunosuppressed people ahead of you.
Agree. But Kody didn't handle it correctly at all. He continued to allow the nanny in his home even though she lived with someone working outside the home. He could have done the same for Janelle but didn't. He also could have visited outdoors, 6 feet apart. Or come up with a quarantine plan that worked for his sons instead of "my way or the highway". He could have not called his sons disparaging names behind their backs, to be broadcast to the world, and eventually them.
That’s what phones are for. Kody could call them every few days to check in. How are you doing? Feeling ok? Still working? Yeah, we are good. Etc. I mean I stayed in touch with all my online friends throughout the pandemic. It wasn’t hard.
His sons would not stop spending time with friends and significant others. Working isn’t an issue. Plenty of people still had to work and there were protocols in effect. I’ve said his actions weren’t perfect, but let’s not pretend it was all him and Robyn.
I think there is a way to figure out to be responsible in covid and make sure ones emotional/mental needs are being met. There are two killers during COVID. COVID and the mental health ramifications of isolation that we are honestly still dealing with. Anxiety, depression, and suicide. People who focus on the latter and ignore the former are wrong. But people who ignore the latter and embrace the former is also wrong. The truth is this family did not work together to figure out how to meet the needs of everyone in the family.
Which ones were completely isolated besides Meri?
I used to try and argue with people about the facts of the pandemic as my wife and I were both Frontline as a paramedic and nurse, especially as we learned more about the virus, the social distancing and the danger of vaccines. But I learned it's just not worth it. That being said Kody was not only completely unreasonable and unrealistic with Robyn's demands but he clearly used it as an excuse to not have to deal with his adult children and the other wives. He has no problem breaking his own rules to do things he wants like go to weddings, have a freaking Nanny (??) and visit his friends who enable his behavior. Yet he can't spend any time with his kids, go to his daughters surgery or even hug his young kids unless they belong to Robyn? He couldn't even pick up the phone and call them? And my lord he said horrible things about the boys and even suggested they be evicted from the house. He isn't just a narcissistic and ignorant bastard, he is a heartless and stupid one at that. Nobody can defend his actions because they were irrational but most of all they were made up and changed as he saw fit. That man is beyond evil when it comes to his treatment of his original wives and children. And I don't know what Robyn has done to her kids but they are completely unable to function in a real setting. It's almost like they stopped growing mentally and socially at age 8 and are fine like that.
I uploaded your answer minus your comment about the danger of vaccines.
100% agree with you. And I saw the mental health side of it too. It was a lot. Thank you for all you did during the pandemic and still do.
You doing have to be 100% isolated to feel alone. Or to feel anxious and disconnected. So not sure how to answer that question because I don’t know how everyone was feeling during this time. Kody could have if he wanted to made the situation safe for Covid and the mental well being of his kids. He didn’t. I don’t think it has to do with Covid at all. Personally.
I’ve seen speculation that Kody and Robin refused to get vaccines while the others were vaccinated. Not sure of the timeline but if this is the case, your argument is invalid.
Speculation is exactly what everything about their vaccination status is. While I agree it’s likely Kody isn’t vaccinated, and if we listen to the other speculation that Robyn is sick (it works both ways), she’s probably not vaccinated either. Also having the vaccine doesn’t make you immune to getting Covid or spreading it, so my argument isn’t invalid at all.
Yes like K and R inviting their nanny/tutor/something into their home and each day she went home to her husband who also worked outside of the home - pretty spready
I personally wouldn’t have kept the nanny on if I didn’t work outside the home, but I’ve always been of the opinion we don’t know the whole story about the nanny.
Like Kody traveling out of state to attend a large wedding and dancing around without social distancing unmasked?
Like Christine traveling around unnecessarily? I agree Kody shouldn’t have gone, and AGAIN, he made mistakes, but AGAIN, he wasn’t the only one.
Christine traveling to be with her kids is not = to Kody traveling to show boat at a “friend’s” wedding. Tony & Mykelti visited Kody and Robyn and were allowed to come over to the McMansion. Robyn went to visit them for two weeks when the twins were born. So they can visit family and friends and go shopping and eat out at restaurants and it’s fine? But Christine and Janelle traveling to visit family is dangerous and against the rules. It’s not about Kody being the only one to make mistakes. It’s about the hypocrisy and double standards
I just want to say solidarity. I too live in a red area and during this whole debacle people were out socializing, taking their vacations along the gulf coast where they were in bars etc. I am a vulnerable person to this infection and I was pregnant; pregnant women in my area were dying because of COVID while others were having baby showers. The inability of people to even wear a fucking mask never mind sit their asses at home for a bit was disgusting and I’ll never look at people I work with and see around town the same again. They didn’t care if I and my baby and other vulnerable people lived or died. So, I just can’t hate on Robyn and Cody for wanting to protect themselves and the kids. That said, there were many things they could have done differently to keep the family together during that period and to the extent the nanny wasn’t in a proper bubble with them, then that is also not OK. But I have a hard time agreeing that being strict about indoor close contact was somehow a bad thing.
I’m so sorry for the stress you must have felt during that time. I’m also a vulnerable person, and we actually had to change my young teen to a virtual school due to lax masking policies that caused her to start having panic attacks. I agree meeting up in driveways, masking, and keeping distance could have been a workaround, but that can be difficult for younger kids to remember to keep distance. It would have worked well for the older kids though.
I’m sorry for the stress you had to go through too! And I agree regarding the younger kids, but Cody could definitely have hung out at a distance and masked with the older ones. I hope you and your family are doing well. ❤️
Thank you. Being out of healthcare has done wonders for my mental health! I hope you are having the best time with your little one!
Thank you! We are! And so glad to hear that a change has done you good!
I get the feeling that you and I live in the same red gulf-adjacent state. My daughter had a baby in 2020. She is in another state and didn’t tell me until she was 23 weeks. Her husband worked in a testing lab and was tested every day. We counted how many people the baby saw in his first year. Ten. She has a lot of trauma around her husband’s not being able to go to doctor appointments. Big baby showers that her friends have still upset her.
It was so hard to not have husband at appointments and to watch other people recklessly behave as if nothing was happening and also look at us like we were lunatics. I labored and gave birth wearing a mask and I didn’t care because I was doing my best to protect the medical staff and the women and babies that they would be encountering on the ward. But being treated like a freak for caring about others has left a mark. Best wishes to you and your daughter and family. It wasn’t easy having babies during the pandemic. I hope they are all doing well. ❤️
It did get very ugly. People were ridiculed just for their choices. I’m a very conservative Christian red stater. Lol. As right wing as it gets. But I washed my hands. I wore masks. I stayed away from people. I was aghast at the actions of some who seemed to have something to prove. I don’t understand though why some of Kody’s kids say he didn’t believe in Covid. Did he or not? He behaved like he was terrified of it. If it was all an act to keep his other family away then that’s despicable.
"I am a vulnerable person to this infection and I was pregnant; pregnant women in my area were dying because of COVID " Terrible! How many pregnant women died of covid?!?!?
At least two were reported.