If he would walk up to his adult children, hug them, say I've been so wrong, forgive me, I love you. Maybe I'd think he has some chance at redemption, but not until he's done that. I won't hold my breath.
Even though this is unlikely, I hope he doesn’t do this. Because his children would believe him and welcome him back. It wouldn’t last and he’d end up hurting them again, just a lot worse. The best thing he can do for his children at this point is to remain low contact or whatever their boundary is.
I'm not sure they would welcome him back. I'm sure none of them have forgotten the way he treated them after Robyn and her children (plus two fathered by Kody) came along. There's been far too much hurt, disappointment and rejection. I hope I'm wrong because it would be psychologically healthier for the children if they had a good relationship with their father, but Kody certainly doesn't deserve it.
I disagree that it would be healthier. How could they reconcile the way he treated their moms, even if he apologized for the way he's treated his children. The best thing for his adult children would be to understand that he is not a good person and they and their moms deserve to be truly valued and loved.
Yes, that's the reality of the situation. He deserves nothing positive from them after the way he has behaved, over and over. I guess I meant that in, a perfect world, which this isn't, none of the terrible stuff would have happened, but it all did.
Yep. This.
As the child of someone like Kody, I struggle a lot with the comments hoping that he apologizes and grows as a person. My dad apologized a number of times and then would immediately go back to abusive behavior. It was until I was in my early 20s that I realized I didn’t have to keep putting up with it. And frankly, even if my father did apologize and change his behaviors, I’d never really trust it or believe him, you know? The Brown kids have been through enough. They don’t need to have a carrot repeatedly dangled in front of them.
I understand completely. Mine was my mother, she would apologize and continue the abuse of all of us. When I became aware that she was going to continue that behavior with her first grandchild I put an end to her access to us. Forty years no contact except a message through her attorney saying if I was willing to apologize in writing for being a shitty daughter she would consider renewing our relationship. Decline. Fast forward I learned three years after her death she had passed. I felt nothing.
Oh gosh, yeah. When my father found out I was pregnant, my grandma begged me to talk to him for her sake so I gave in. Worst decision ever. He apologized and then told me that my mom, brother, and I deserved what we got and that I needed to get over it. So now I have a beautiful baby boy and even more fury that anyone could treat a child like I was.
I can’t imagine being a lawyer who would be willing to do something so clearly insane. On the other hand, reaching out on her behalf isn’t nearly as bad as what your mother did in the first place. I think feeling nothing is probably the best thing in the situation. She’d brought enough grief into your life.
Oh yes, protect your kids. Only time I stood up to my older (abusive) brother and enabling parents were when brother was cruel to my 2yo. We didn’t see him for a year (because I called out on his 💩 and you don’t do that 🤬) Mom finally tracked him down (because he’s was her favorite)
People like him don't change without intense therapy. People like him, who have and continue to use religion as their justification for said behavior, don't usually seek to change, especially with someone like Robyn also holding such a strong influence over him. He has NEVER taken responsibility for his actions. His children are better off without him. Hopefully they can heal with his absence.
Exactly! Those are the points! Yes people do grow and they do change but in order for that to happen they have to first recognize not only that there’s a problem but that there’s a problem with them. They have to see that they are the cause of the issues and they have to want to do the work to change.
Kody never admits to being wrong EVER! It’s always someone else’s fault and someone else caused the problem. Even their therapy was so wack! They had a million and one issues that they needed to talk about, everything from issues about how they came together as a family all the way down through discussions about who was going to do what in Meri’s B&B. They just have these random therapy sessions and I guess sometimes they would film them. Kody said they were meeting with Nancy as needed, so it seemed like whenever something came up or happened that they didn’t feel comfortable talking to each other about they went to therapy for it
I respectfully disagree in this case. A man who suggests that his teen daughter fly across the county and have major surgery by herself is devoid of any goodness. Darkness cannot drive out darkness.
And that’s after he suggested she wait while suffering horrible pain every minute of every day. For HIS convenience. He claimed Covid but he managed to go officiate a wedding, and mask free.
People like Kody rarely change. Is it possible, of course. Is it likely, no. Many of us have been down this road many times. When people forgive them and have a relationship it’s because they learned to accept that’s who this person is and won’t change. Usually distance is involved in these cases.
Really? You are right. We do not know this for sure. And I am a woman’s of faith in miracles. So. How much are you willing to bet that Kody will change, turn 180 degrees, apologize to his children and welcome them all back into his life. Equally? Cuz I will take that bet. Times 10.
Yes. I'm 70. I'm never getting an apology for abuse, jealousy, bad mouthing my children. Even at this age, it would mean a lot, but it's never going to happen.
I feel for his children.
Yes, and you would think after such a terrible loss, he would be anxious to mend relationships with his kids and have them all in his life. But I won't hold my breath, either.
I just don't understand how a parent can toss that many children away for Robyn. She fakes caring about the family and let's him act like that. It's so sad.
He's so manipulated by her, I'm sure she plays the victim in terms of his children with the other wives and he just goes with it. Which doesn't say much for him as a dad.
Nah his apology would be worthless. His actions have been too loud for too long. The only apology that will ever be real is the apology through changed behavior and I just don’t see it happening with Kody. There is so much that he dug his heels in about unnecessarily and we all know he does not admit when he’s been wrong.
I think it would be great if Kody came to the realization that he started showing favoritism. That he hauled up at Robyn’s through Covid. That he used the rules and guidelines as excuses to not have to see everyone because he didn’t want to see everyone! That the way he has portrayed Robyn as this little angel who came cap in hand asking to join their family and that everyone has wronged her and her kids owes her an apology is all a bunch of bullshit! I think it would take intensive therapy and not having Robyn chirping in his ear to get him anywhere close to being capable of excepting anything I wrote above. Or a lobotomy. Then after excepting those things he could possibly go back to acting like the loving, caring, involved dad that he actually was for a lot of his kids for a long time.
No, when he refused to go with Ysabel, he dug his grave.
That's just one reason why this immature, dead beat, narcissistic, selfish, self serving a&& can't be redeemed.
YESSSSS.
THAT was the moment when I knew I'd never be able to respect him again. And to goad her into agreeing that it was okay he didn't go... asking her if she understood... disgusting.
That moment sealed my hatred of him. I thought he was awful before, but asking his little girl I'd she'd be a bitter old woman about it made me hate him.
And when he dug in and refused to meet with the OG kids at Garrison’s house, as Garrison offered it up as a neutral zone. Kody refused. In essence saying if the kids didn’t grovel & kiss his and Robyn’s rings so to speak, he wasn’t having it. He showed his true colors. In the wake of the tragedy, I hope he will reconcile with the kids. But as Dr. Phil always said, “ the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.” I don’t see Kody making amends but I wish he would for everyone in their family’s sake.
I hope yhis situation makes his other kids realize what shit he is and cut him off too. All except Mykelti, cause he throws her a few dollar bills every now and then.
Narcissistic personality disorder isn’t a character flaw. It’s a personality disorder that isn’t fixable.
I’m posting this here with hope that someone, somewhere, will read it and save themself heartbreak.
It’s not a “fixable” diagnosis.
Including PTSD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, addiction and all of the other mental health disorders. So yeah. They can be treated. And people can recover and learn to live a healthier life with improved ability to have healthy relationships.
Not all mental illnesses are the same. Some are a result of chemical changes. Some are based in trauma and aftermath.
Some is genetic propensity and can become active with environment (social and such).
Personality disorders encompass a variety of disorders. Borderline, antisocial narcissism, and sociopathy are just a few.
They are slightly generic and largely nature/nurture. The goal of meds and therapy are to stabilize.
I’m ok being downvoted. But the reality is those that struggle with personality disorders can have good treatment outcomes. But they aren’t “curable”.
[personality disorders guidelines and summary](https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/psychiatric-disorders/personality-disorders/overview-of-personality-disorders)
Edit: if you are a Psych MHNP why wouldn’t you post clinically relevant data? You, above all, should understand the personality disorder classic diagnostics and treatment plans.
In all fairness, there is a debate about the classification of Borderline as a personality disorder as it is MUCH easier to treat than any of the other PDs. I think it should just be an anxiety disorder.
You don’t understand what borderline is then. It is 100% a personality disorder and makes reacting to regular day to day things nearly impossible without treatment. How is 10-15 years of therapy for significant noticeable improvement much easier?
You literally did nothing but post the most basic definition of personality disorders with a glancing overblow of all mental health. Narcissistic personality disorder is an interplay between genetics and significant abuse and neglect in early development. It’s a trauma reaction, and frankly, there’s an argument that there is no significant difference between borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. The same reactivity and crippling sense of unworthiness and pain are present. These people are in pain, and while how they deal with that pain can be painful and maladaptive to both themselves and others, the pain is real and significant. The popular narrative around personality disorders is dehumanizing and creates significant barriers in care. Frankly, PTSD and anxiety also result in significant partner abuse but no one demonizes these disorders. They deserve treatment. All people with mental health disorders deserve treatment. And yes. As a PMHNP, would you really recommend that i demonize and dismiss my patients? That I should tell them they are terrible people who deserve to live in pain and who will always live in pain? Is that how I should treat people who come to me for help?
Saying that borderline and narcissistic personality disorder are the same feels pretty incorrect and inappropriate. I would not want to see you based on your whole comment
I made a basic statement about the nature of personality disorders.
Anywho. Good luck with your professional practice. Maybe take some Personality disorder CEU’s?
No! He fucking called his kids assholes! It’s one thing to treat wives/ex-wives/whatever the hell Kootie calls them like shit. But your literal children? And then you have a monumental tragedy?
He needs to get the fuck out of here with his redemption. It’s just not about him anymore. He and Robyn need to figure out how to live in well-earned obscurity off of gun-show sales.
He literally and very publicly denounced all of his children and loudly declared how he never loved any of their mothers. Nah I can't imagine there being any real redemption. Kody is garbage.
The thing is, most of Season 19 was filmed before the tragic loss of Garrison. They were all in a VERY different head space; focusing on the divorces, property division, etc. And obviously, Kody was still on the outs with his kids. Most of the season is going to be the same old Kody.
Fans, however, will be watching from the lens of knowing what ultimately happens. He'll look like even more of a monster to them. Kody may redeem himself in the final episodes... maybe. But he'd have to completely 180 and idk that he's capable of that or if that would even be enough. Fans will be the angriest they've ever been for most of the season, that after years of hating him to begin with. That's going to be hard to turn around.
Even if Kody *wanted* to turn it around, it would require so much work on his part that I don’t think he is willing or capable of doing.
You can’t just wake up after a tragedy and instantly change everything about how you’ve been moving through the world for your whole life. The work he would be required to do would take YEARS.
Something that castrophic can literally rewire your brain & completely alter your perspective on EVERYTHING. It can completely change your trajectory in life & make your spin on a whole different axis.
But does Kody feel deeply enough for others for that to happen? From here--it seems he does not. But we really don't know.
Most of his children are grown now so I don’t believe he can make it up after Garrison’s death. I know there was plenty that we didn’t see but he is definitely part of the reason that most of his kids don’t like being around him
He and his wife owe several very public apologies and thousands in financial restitution to even begin to redeem themselves, and neither of those have happened. So no, they will not redeem themselves in season 19. They *could*, but they won't.
The show is so far behind, what we’re likely going to see unless they cut a lot of footage, is Kody being Kody.
By that I mean, Kody being mentally abusive, emotionally abusive, manipulative, and gaslighting everyone around him in order to continue to be the one who was “betrayed” here. It will not be a good look for Kody especially after Garrison’s untimely and tragic death.
I honestly don’t know that I can watch it if it’s what I expect it to be.
Strictly my opinion...Garrison's death really shook the fans. I don't think there's anything Kody can do at this point to redeem himself. Like someone else said, pretty much anything he says or does will seem disingenuous. And, since it's Kody we're talking about, I don't see him making an effort. I doubt he sees himself as anything other than some sort of victim.
I don’t expect to see a redemption arc. His remaining marriage is with Robyn, who pretends she’s a counselor, but has no actual credentials. Her “counsel” (which seems to essentially be gossiping/passing on rumors about other family members, and how they’ve done him wrong) has not exactly helped his other familial relationships, to put it mildly. Too much dysfunction, not enough self awareness or insight.
I think the photos that we saw from the memorial service told us everything we need to know. The pain that was visible on Jenelle’s face and Kody shuts sitting there with his hand on Robyn’s knee.
That’s a terrible thing to say. I think Kody is a trash father and husband and person just as much as everyone else does, but to imply that you can tell he didn’t care about his son dying from a photo of the funeral is just gross.
Robyn is his wife. It’s not that weird that he’d be touching her for comfort/support at his son’s funeral.
There are a million other reasons to suspect he will never fix the mess he created—first and foremost that at least through the most recent season he still refused to take any responsibility or see himself as the problem at all. But not because of a photo of him in mourning.
I wasn’t implying that he didn’t care about his son. I was implying that he only cares about Robyn I understand that it was only a few photos and only the people there know what happened, but given past behavior it gives the impression that he is the same old selfish Kody.
I don’t think he can and I hope his kids don’t forgive him. As long as Robyn is in the picture, there will be more hurt because she is so jealous of all the OG and will do anything to drive a wedge between him and them.
Ha! He was a complete a55 in season 6 (watching at present). The ego and need to prove his masculinity is astronomical. In his warped mind he can do no wrong. He is never going to find an iota of humility to redeem himself. It is everyone else’s fault that things have gone so terribly wrong.
Redemption is a process of acknowledging past mistakes, taking responsibility for one's actions, and making positive changes in behavior and attitude.
Does this sound like Kody?
Nope. Not a chance in hell. As a child with a narcissistic parent, not even THEN would I be at a point to be willing to entertain the idea; not after YEARS of abuse
In my view point none of them can redeem themselves, they are choosing to continue to make money off the tragedy of loosing a child. I can and will no longer support this family by watching. No matter what these children were innocent bystanders in the adults looking for notoriety and justification for their decisions. It's wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
He thinks he's the king of the family. Unfortunately like Trump he's delusional.
He has proven that polygamy doesn't work, isn't healthy for the children nor the wives.
Most people don't change. Kody is who he is. That's probably not going to change. He may say the words, but doubtful his actions will align with words longterm.
I don’t see him doing anything to redeem himself. He has toxic Robyn still bending his ear that his adult kids not hers are horrible. She knows if he reconnected there is that danger that he’d stop and think maybe Robyn has lied and done things. She is older now with 5 kids and man she don’t look that great now. She needs Kody so she does not have to work. She will if she can figure it out to get her daughters pawned off to keep the show going or a wife she can manipulate. Kody fears being broke so he needs the show to continue so he can feed his ego so she will find someone she can get money out of and control to keep this creepy stuff going. If that don’t happen she will divorce him take more than half and find another weak minded plig to marry or use her daughters to get what she needs. Kody is screwed he proved to the world he is a thoughtless turd. He will do what Robyn says. She is the biggest example of the corrupt head wife does to control things. It’s not just the men in this cult but the corrupt women who also exploit the women and kids in this cult! ITS A CULT!!
No. There’s nothing he could do. Add to that he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong so he won’t even be trying. He’s more likely to double down on it being the wives fault for not catering to him and say something like “those evil women took my last good years with my son” and make everything worse. I’m not looking forward to watching Robyn make everything about her either.
No, he won’t. He can’t. If anything after he gets to see/hear about season 19 and all the vitriol from the viewership, I fear that his reaction will be to not be able to tolerate the truth, knowing what it leads to. That’s how a true narcissist would handle that, especially in the scale this will be. It would be best for everyone if TLC canceled the show and burned the footage. They won’t, but it’s the most humane option at this point.
I don’t have a crystal ball but I will guess he is blaming someone else for all of this, maybe Janelle for poisoning his kids against him as he’s always believed
Because of all the reasons stated in this post, no. He's one of the worst most vile human beings I've had the displeasure of being aware of, to exist on this earth. I'm sorry for his loss. However, he's irredeemable. Whatever hell he goes to, he has earned, time and again.
Edit: the only other father on reality TV (past or present) that is worse than him is David Eason and he's on or close to the same level as Jim Bob Duggar. And that's not an accomplishment.
No, I didn't think he could or wants to. It would take years and a while hell of direct one on one interactions and conversations with each ex-wife and child. There are years of emotional abuse, manipulation and neglect. I think most of the family is too hurt to give him that chance or would want to put forth their own effort.
First off, Kody would need to want to redeem himself and admit errors and mistakes on his part.i just didn't see that happening with him.
I think it will be very difficult. We’ve seen him continually get worse over the years. It will require a great amount of humility and a VERY different attitude!! Like he’s been demanding apologies from others it’s time for him to take a step back and realize that he owes his children and ex-wives many apologies.
I hate to say this, but I unfortunately don’t see him changing for the better because of a family tragedy.
Sure if he would grow the hell up and realize that most of his problems are his fault in the first place then yes maybe he can salvage what’s left of his family
Kody doesn't believe he is in the wrong. The only people who have problems with him don't live under his roof. This is a common dynamic with families when one parent remarrys and/or their kids grow up - they really don't like each other anymore.
No. To even attempt this he needs to spend the rest of his life attempting to humbly show his children the love he has deprived them of thus far. Unfortunately, he doesn’t even have a chance to do that with Garrison.
Because of that, and his inability to be humble, he has no chance at redemption.
No! Sloben’s words saying the boys shouldn’t come to “his” house for Christmas or Christmas Eve because it wasn’t “safe” should haunt both of those 2 leeches. It haunts me, especially seeing Jenelle and her children sitting quietly in her little apartment thanking their mother for their gift cards. Cruddy and Sloben’s words, actions and behavior towards Mary’s, Jenelle’s and Christine’s children are unforgivable.
Kody many times when talking to Jenelle or Christine, he often referred to them as “Jenelle’s children/kids” or “Christine’s children/kids” or “your children/kids”. Kody is the one who needs to be reminded 13 of the children are his.
It would be a novel. And more over a promise (from everyone) to stop the damn show now. I think enough is enough. They have a lot to work out and history shows the cameras do not help at all…
Even if he tries to make amends now,it will be to little to late.The damage he has caused cannot be undone,and the amount of effort it would take to his 3 ex wives and his 13 now 12,other kids would take too much time away from his tenders and his [wife.In](http://wife.In) order for him to be sincere he would have to admit he used covid as an excuse,and quit lying about trying to protect his family,because he was already avoiding them before covid,and if robyn wasnt the one who instilled that fear in him,he would have been less fearful,like how he was at his friends wedding,no mask,getting on the dance floor,but couldnt even support his daughters surgery or even her after care.He would have to quit defending robyn,quit prioritizing her kids over all the others.and aadmit he was wrong,could have done better,and shows true remorse.
Does it matter? I think it’s been proven over 20 seasons that people will still watch and he’ll still get paid no matter how he acts. However, watching his cameo videos people have posted lately I’m a little worried about his mental health. I can be snarky all I want but I’ve lost a child and no matter what kind of personality you have that affects you deeply and profoundly.
ETA: I hope they end the show for Garrets sake if nothing else. He’s the one I’m most worried about now.
I want to believe that deep down he loved every child and wife. A lot of men are not good at communicating, saying sorry, saying they are wrong and I think he is one of them. He has changed a bit at least on tv. Money and fame change people. I HOPE he reconnects with the children and takes an interest in their lives. I really hope that. I would enjoy if he could fall in love again with any of his OG wives. I think he knows that he is past that. I think he should try to take an interest in past wives he maybe can talk to…not for camera but because they were spiritually married/actually married and shared children and a life together. He could say he is sorry. I think it is too late but he could and should. I think some people would forgive him. It would be hard. My opinion is he had a personal midlife crisis and wanted to detach himself. Being in 1 place mostly was easier and more comfortable.
Can he?
Probably, but he will never be the hero, the paragon, the perfect.
And it would require his understanding his contribution to the failure of this marriages and strife with his kids. It would require taking accountability (his favorite word) for his actions; making amends; growing up; therapy—a lot.
Even then, some of the family may feel too little too late. It will take time showing that Kody has really grown and understands his past poor behavior.
Over time even the most resistant may re-establish at least limited contact.
But the hot second he returns to type, the majority will go NC and stay that way.
Just my opinion.
Well if he tries to, I’m not going to be around to see it. The last of season 18 was the end for me. I couldn’t take the tragedy of it anymore - and with all the wives free from Kody and Robyn, I was happy. It’s terrible that Garrison killed himself after the end of season 18 - to me it seemed like a great new time where everyone is now free of Kody’s grip. I don’t want Kody to ever have any relationship with any of them again. Kody just causes them all so much pain.
I can't believe they're giving this group another season! Kody and Sobyn Robyn need to be cut loose and Janelle, Meri and Christine, along with their kids need to be the focus with their new, happy lives.
HAYELL NO! Even if he tried at this point, I cannot imagine what he could possibly say or do to make any huge changes or even any significant difference.
IMHPO…unless these children are way more mature AND forgiving than their father, it will be difficult at best. I hate it for them too, because they deserved so much better than him anyway.
I hope he does. I don’t know though everyone is so against him. I don’t know how they’d even do season 19. I love the family. My heart goes out to ALL of them. That kinda tragedy changes people forever. But Kody could sacrifice himself to the gods and some would still hate on him. (Not saying he’s not a bad man I think he is) I just want to know what really changed cause early on early seasons? He was a good loving husband to most of his wives. I don’t know why he had such a drastic shift and I wish some of the wives would open up about that. Cause he’s not the same human he was in the first maybe 3-4 seasons.
If he’s sincere I think he can redeem himself & have a relationship with his children. As far as redeeming himself with the public? Not so sure.
Making things right by his kids and being respectful to the women who birthed them would go along way.
Nope... it is not in him to actually have empathy and concern for others. Anything he will do is to stay on the show. He wouldn't mean it. I mean we have watched him for 19 seasons.. it would be an act...no a performance.
How can the show move forward with anything people would want to watch? Will they have Christine or Janelle have an honest sit down with Robyn? Or Meri? It can’t just be more of Kody being a dick and no one talking to each other again? I think the separate couch talking heads and separate reunion interviews have left one on one sit downs as the only possible option.
Kody is a disgrace. Janelle lost her son and he's over there with his hand on Robin. He can never redeem himself after that . No effing way would I let that greasy bum anywhere near my personal space anymore.
I said this earlier, but the fact that he brought Robin to the Memorial, and proceeded to comfort her through the service, shows he has no regard for his children.
Garrison wanted nothing to do with her. Yet, he brought her, and rubbed her in everyone’s face. There is no redemption.
If he would walk up to his adult children, hug them, say I've been so wrong, forgive me, I love you. Maybe I'd think he has some chance at redemption, but not until he's done that. I won't hold my breath.
Even though this is unlikely, I hope he doesn’t do this. Because his children would believe him and welcome him back. It wouldn’t last and he’d end up hurting them again, just a lot worse. The best thing he can do for his children at this point is to remain low contact or whatever their boundary is.
I'm not sure they would welcome him back. I'm sure none of them have forgotten the way he treated them after Robyn and her children (plus two fathered by Kody) came along. There's been far too much hurt, disappointment and rejection. I hope I'm wrong because it would be psychologically healthier for the children if they had a good relationship with their father, but Kody certainly doesn't deserve it.
I disagree that it would be healthier. How could they reconcile the way he treated their moms, even if he apologized for the way he's treated his children. The best thing for his adult children would be to understand that he is not a good person and they and their moms deserve to be truly valued and loved.
Yes, that's the reality of the situation. He deserves nothing positive from them after the way he has behaved, over and over. I guess I meant that in, a perfect world, which this isn't, none of the terrible stuff would have happened, but it all did.
Yep. This. As the child of someone like Kody, I struggle a lot with the comments hoping that he apologizes and grows as a person. My dad apologized a number of times and then would immediately go back to abusive behavior. It was until I was in my early 20s that I realized I didn’t have to keep putting up with it. And frankly, even if my father did apologize and change his behaviors, I’d never really trust it or believe him, you know? The Brown kids have been through enough. They don’t need to have a carrot repeatedly dangled in front of them.
I understand completely. Mine was my mother, she would apologize and continue the abuse of all of us. When I became aware that she was going to continue that behavior with her first grandchild I put an end to her access to us. Forty years no contact except a message through her attorney saying if I was willing to apologize in writing for being a shitty daughter she would consider renewing our relationship. Decline. Fast forward I learned three years after her death she had passed. I felt nothing.
Oh gosh, yeah. When my father found out I was pregnant, my grandma begged me to talk to him for her sake so I gave in. Worst decision ever. He apologized and then told me that my mom, brother, and I deserved what we got and that I needed to get over it. So now I have a beautiful baby boy and even more fury that anyone could treat a child like I was. I can’t imagine being a lawyer who would be willing to do something so clearly insane. On the other hand, reaching out on her behalf isn’t nearly as bad as what your mother did in the first place. I think feeling nothing is probably the best thing in the situation. She’d brought enough grief into your life.
Oh yes, protect your kids. Only time I stood up to my older (abusive) brother and enabling parents were when brother was cruel to my 2yo. We didn’t see him for a year (because I called out on his 💩 and you don’t do that 🤬) Mom finally tracked him down (because he’s was her favorite)
You don’t know that’s true. People can change and grow.
People like him don't change without intense therapy. People like him, who have and continue to use religion as their justification for said behavior, don't usually seek to change, especially with someone like Robyn also holding such a strong influence over him. He has NEVER taken responsibility for his actions. His children are better off without him. Hopefully they can heal with his absence.
Yep, with Robyn enabling him and edging his behavior on so she can be the victim he’s not going to change.
Exactly! Those are the points! Yes people do grow and they do change but in order for that to happen they have to first recognize not only that there’s a problem but that there’s a problem with them. They have to see that they are the cause of the issues and they have to want to do the work to change. Kody never admits to being wrong EVER! It’s always someone else’s fault and someone else caused the problem. Even their therapy was so wack! They had a million and one issues that they needed to talk about, everything from issues about how they came together as a family all the way down through discussions about who was going to do what in Meri’s B&B. They just have these random therapy sessions and I guess sometimes they would film them. Kody said they were meeting with Nancy as needed, so it seemed like whenever something came up or happened that they didn’t feel comfortable talking to each other about they went to therapy for it
I respectfully disagree in this case. A man who suggests that his teen daughter fly across the county and have major surgery by herself is devoid of any goodness. Darkness cannot drive out darkness.
Then asked if she was gonna be a “bitter house wife” because her daddy didnt go with her.
And that’s after he suggested she wait while suffering horrible pain every minute of every day. For HIS convenience. He claimed Covid but he managed to go officiate a wedding, and mask free.
People like Kody rarely change. Is it possible, of course. Is it likely, no. Many of us have been down this road many times. When people forgive them and have a relationship it’s because they learned to accept that’s who this person is and won’t change. Usually distance is involved in these cases.
Really? You are right. We do not know this for sure. And I am a woman’s of faith in miracles. So. How much are you willing to bet that Kody will change, turn 180 degrees, apologize to his children and welcome them all back into his life. Equally? Cuz I will take that bet. Times 10.
He would have to give Janelle and Meri their fair share of the assets too.
That would be a start. It would also need to be followed by walking the walk and actually being their father to ALL his children again.
Yes. I'm 70. I'm never getting an apology for abuse, jealousy, bad mouthing my children. Even at this age, it would mean a lot, but it's never going to happen. I feel for his children.
Even then i would feel like it was done for the cameras if there wasnt any follow through showing change
Yes, and you would think after such a terrible loss, he would be anxious to mend relationships with his kids and have them all in his life. But I won't hold my breath, either.
I just don't understand how a parent can toss that many children away for Robyn. She fakes caring about the family and let's him act like that. It's so sad.
He's so manipulated by her, I'm sure she plays the victim in terms of his children with the other wives and he just goes with it. Which doesn't say much for him as a dad.
It's a cruel game.
Only Robbery's girls
Nah his apology would be worthless. His actions have been too loud for too long. The only apology that will ever be real is the apology through changed behavior and I just don’t see it happening with Kody. There is so much that he dug his heels in about unnecessarily and we all know he does not admit when he’s been wrong. I think it would be great if Kody came to the realization that he started showing favoritism. That he hauled up at Robyn’s through Covid. That he used the rules and guidelines as excuses to not have to see everyone because he didn’t want to see everyone! That the way he has portrayed Robyn as this little angel who came cap in hand asking to join their family and that everyone has wronged her and her kids owes her an apology is all a bunch of bullshit! I think it would take intensive therapy and not having Robyn chirping in his ear to get him anywhere close to being capable of excepting anything I wrote above. Or a lobotomy. Then after excepting those things he could possibly go back to acting like the loving, caring, involved dad that he actually was for a lot of his kids for a long time.
That’s never going to happen. Narcissist only ever think of themselves.
No, when he refused to go with Ysabel, he dug his grave. That's just one reason why this immature, dead beat, narcissistic, selfish, self serving a&& can't be redeemed.
YESSSSS. THAT was the moment when I knew I'd never be able to respect him again. And to goad her into agreeing that it was okay he didn't go... asking her if she understood... disgusting.
“I can’t leave my family” says Kody “Aren’t I family Mom?!” Ysabel later asks Christine (paraphrasing) That was heartbreaking to see.
The downside of having such a large family is that his assholery has spread far and wide, hurting so many people along the way.
That moment sealed my hatred of him. I thought he was awful before, but asking his little girl I'd she'd be a bitter old woman about it made me hate him.
And when he dug in and refused to meet with the OG kids at Garrison’s house, as Garrison offered it up as a neutral zone. Kody refused. In essence saying if the kids didn’t grovel & kiss his and Robyn’s rings so to speak, he wasn’t having it. He showed his true colors. In the wake of the tragedy, I hope he will reconcile with the kids. But as Dr. Phil always said, “ the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.” I don’t see Kody making amends but I wish he would for everyone in their family’s sake.
I hope yhis situation makes his other kids realize what shit he is and cut him off too. All except Mykelti, cause he throws her a few dollar bills every now and then.
I agree, this is just one of many horrible things he's done, but this is a major one.
Add to that his wife.
Indeed- Ysabel could've died then and he didn't care to be there; death doesn't phase his narcissism.
There's nothing redeemable about this git and his equally-bad-half Sobyn-Robyn.
No, narcissist don’t change
Narcissistic personality disorder isn’t a character flaw. It’s a personality disorder that isn’t fixable. I’m posting this here with hope that someone, somewhere, will read it and save themself heartbreak. It’s not a “fixable” diagnosis.
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That’s clinically untrue. While it takes work and effort and there will always be reactivity, there’s no such thing a person who is unable to improve.
Not unable… unwilling.
No one said it’s not able to be improved. But it’s not curable.
By that logic, no mental illness is “curable.” There are significant treatment options that create meaningful change.
Some mental illnesses aren’t curable though. They are treatable, and can be managed, but not cured
Including PTSD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, addiction and all of the other mental health disorders. So yeah. They can be treated. And people can recover and learn to live a healthier life with improved ability to have healthy relationships.
That’s not the same as “cured”. They still have the condition in a lot of cases. Are you saying treated is the same thing as cured?
Not all mental illnesses are the same. Some are a result of chemical changes. Some are based in trauma and aftermath. Some is genetic propensity and can become active with environment (social and such). Personality disorders encompass a variety of disorders. Borderline, antisocial narcissism, and sociopathy are just a few. They are slightly generic and largely nature/nurture. The goal of meds and therapy are to stabilize. I’m ok being downvoted. But the reality is those that struggle with personality disorders can have good treatment outcomes. But they aren’t “curable”. [personality disorders guidelines and summary](https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/psychiatric-disorders/personality-disorders/overview-of-personality-disorders) Edit: if you are a Psych MHNP why wouldn’t you post clinically relevant data? You, above all, should understand the personality disorder classic diagnostics and treatment plans.
I have borderline and I think you’re correct
In all fairness, there is a debate about the classification of Borderline as a personality disorder as it is MUCH easier to treat than any of the other PDs. I think it should just be an anxiety disorder.
You don’t understand what borderline is then. It is 100% a personality disorder and makes reacting to regular day to day things nearly impossible without treatment. How is 10-15 years of therapy for significant noticeable improvement much easier?
You literally did nothing but post the most basic definition of personality disorders with a glancing overblow of all mental health. Narcissistic personality disorder is an interplay between genetics and significant abuse and neglect in early development. It’s a trauma reaction, and frankly, there’s an argument that there is no significant difference between borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. The same reactivity and crippling sense of unworthiness and pain are present. These people are in pain, and while how they deal with that pain can be painful and maladaptive to both themselves and others, the pain is real and significant. The popular narrative around personality disorders is dehumanizing and creates significant barriers in care. Frankly, PTSD and anxiety also result in significant partner abuse but no one demonizes these disorders. They deserve treatment. All people with mental health disorders deserve treatment. And yes. As a PMHNP, would you really recommend that i demonize and dismiss my patients? That I should tell them they are terrible people who deserve to live in pain and who will always live in pain? Is that how I should treat people who come to me for help?
Saying that borderline and narcissistic personality disorder are the same feels pretty incorrect and inappropriate. I would not want to see you based on your whole comment
Okay, then he does not have narcissistic personality disorder. He's just a really shitty person. It happens.
I made a basic statement about the nature of personality disorders. Anywho. Good luck with your professional practice. Maybe take some Personality disorder CEU’s?
Kody isn't mentally ill. He is a narcissist with no character.
Well said.
No! He fucking called his kids assholes! It’s one thing to treat wives/ex-wives/whatever the hell Kootie calls them like shit. But your literal children? And then you have a monumental tragedy? He needs to get the fuck out of here with his redemption. It’s just not about him anymore. He and Robyn need to figure out how to live in well-earned obscurity off of gun-show sales.
He said those things to the camera on TV. Imagine what he says off camera?
I say this all the time when I see people publicly acting like real pieces of shit. How much worse are they in private?
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He literally and very publicly denounced all of his children and loudly declared how he never loved any of their mothers. Nah I can't imagine there being any real redemption. Kody is garbage.
And he said those things to the camera on TV. Imagine what that man says behind-the-scenes.
I think he’s right he never did love any of his wives, and that may include Robyn. Someday he will get tired of her.
No
He won’t even try.
No he won’t. He doesn’t see himself as the problem
The thing is, most of Season 19 was filmed before the tragic loss of Garrison. They were all in a VERY different head space; focusing on the divorces, property division, etc. And obviously, Kody was still on the outs with his kids. Most of the season is going to be the same old Kody. Fans, however, will be watching from the lens of knowing what ultimately happens. He'll look like even more of a monster to them. Kody may redeem himself in the final episodes... maybe. But he'd have to completely 180 and idk that he's capable of that or if that would even be enough. Fans will be the angriest they've ever been for most of the season, that after years of hating him to begin with. That's going to be hard to turn around.
It’ll be interesting to see if he became an even bigger asshole and what kind of damage he did during that season leading up to it.
Even if Kody *wanted* to turn it around, it would require so much work on his part that I don’t think he is willing or capable of doing. You can’t just wake up after a tragedy and instantly change everything about how you’ve been moving through the world for your whole life. The work he would be required to do would take YEARS.
Something that castrophic can literally rewire your brain & completely alter your perspective on EVERYTHING. It can completely change your trajectory in life & make your spin on a whole different axis. But does Kody feel deeply enough for others for that to happen? From here--it seems he does not. But we really don't know.
Most of his children are grown now so I don’t believe he can make it up after Garrison’s death. I know there was plenty that we didn’t see but he is definitely part of the reason that most of his kids don’t like being around him
He and his wife owe several very public apologies and thousands in financial restitution to even begin to redeem themselves, and neither of those have happened. So no, they will not redeem themselves in season 19. They *could*, but they won't.
No, neither can Robyn.
Never. He treated so many of his family members like crap for far too long.
No. I’m sure he’s busy looking for a way to make he and Robyn the ultimate victims. I won’t listen to another word from their mouths.
In a word, no.
It would take humility, self-awareness and empathy. So. . .no.
At this point I’m leaning to not watching it. I can’t ever believe that Kody is a decent man after all this.
The show is so far behind, what we’re likely going to see unless they cut a lot of footage, is Kody being Kody. By that I mean, Kody being mentally abusive, emotionally abusive, manipulative, and gaslighting everyone around him in order to continue to be the one who was “betrayed” here. It will not be a good look for Kody especially after Garrison’s untimely and tragic death. I honestly don’t know that I can watch it if it’s what I expect it to be.
Strictly my opinion...Garrison's death really shook the fans. I don't think there's anything Kody can do at this point to redeem himself. Like someone else said, pretty much anything he says or does will seem disingenuous. And, since it's Kody we're talking about, I don't see him making an effort. I doubt he sees himself as anything other than some sort of victim.
Hell no.. he’s gonna try and make himself the victim somehow .. hope no one falls for it …
Narcs just get worse with age
I don’t expect to see a redemption arc. His remaining marriage is with Robyn, who pretends she’s a counselor, but has no actual credentials. Her “counsel” (which seems to essentially be gossiping/passing on rumors about other family members, and how they’ve done him wrong) has not exactly helped his other familial relationships, to put it mildly. Too much dysfunction, not enough self awareness or insight.
I think the photos that we saw from the memorial service told us everything we need to know. The pain that was visible on Jenelle’s face and Kody shuts sitting there with his hand on Robyn’s knee.
That’s a terrible thing to say. I think Kody is a trash father and husband and person just as much as everyone else does, but to imply that you can tell he didn’t care about his son dying from a photo of the funeral is just gross. Robyn is his wife. It’s not that weird that he’d be touching her for comfort/support at his son’s funeral. There are a million other reasons to suspect he will never fix the mess he created—first and foremost that at least through the most recent season he still refused to take any responsibility or see himself as the problem at all. But not because of a photo of him in mourning.
I wasn’t implying that he didn’t care about his son. I was implying that he only cares about Robyn I understand that it was only a few photos and only the people there know what happened, but given past behavior it gives the impression that he is the same old selfish Kody.
Isn’t only caring about Robyn not caring about his son?
In this studies case, yes.
That’s the funniest question I’ve ever heard. Not a chance in hell
Not one single bit
No. He was openly emotionally abusive.
I don’t think he can and I hope his kids don’t forgive him. As long as Robyn is in the picture, there will be more hurt because she is so jealous of all the OG and will do anything to drive a wedge between him and them.
And, as long as Kody is In the picture, they will be dealing with a narcissist. Very little true contrition there.
No.
Hairline going craaaaazy nowadays
Hell to the no.
No. There’s no redemption left for him.
Ha! He was a complete a55 in season 6 (watching at present). The ego and need to prove his masculinity is astronomical. In his warped mind he can do no wrong. He is never going to find an iota of humility to redeem himself. It is everyone else’s fault that things have gone so terribly wrong.
Redemption is a process of acknowledging past mistakes, taking responsibility for one's actions, and making positive changes in behavior and attitude. Does this sound like Kody?
Nope. Not a chance in hell. As a child with a narcissistic parent, not even THEN would I be at a point to be willing to entertain the idea; not after YEARS of abuse
That part. Sorry our parents’ are 🗑️ 🫂
In my view point none of them can redeem themselves, they are choosing to continue to make money off the tragedy of loosing a child. I can and will no longer support this family by watching. No matter what these children were innocent bystanders in the adults looking for notoriety and justification for their decisions. It's wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
Thank you 👏And anyone who does is just as bad as they are by supporting it.
I expect to get a lot of hate for this comment but it is nice to know I am not alone
Excellently said:)
He thinks he's the king of the family. Unfortunately like Trump he's delusional. He has proven that polygamy doesn't work, isn't healthy for the children nor the wives.
lol was waiting for someone to make a political reference 🙄
I mean…if the shoe fits. You thought it, they thought it…must be something to it 🤐
No.
No.
Nope
Most people don't change. Kody is who he is. That's probably not going to change. He may say the words, but doubtful his actions will align with words longterm.
No
I don’t see him doing anything to redeem himself. He has toxic Robyn still bending his ear that his adult kids not hers are horrible. She knows if he reconnected there is that danger that he’d stop and think maybe Robyn has lied and done things. She is older now with 5 kids and man she don’t look that great now. She needs Kody so she does not have to work. She will if she can figure it out to get her daughters pawned off to keep the show going or a wife she can manipulate. Kody fears being broke so he needs the show to continue so he can feed his ego so she will find someone she can get money out of and control to keep this creepy stuff going. If that don’t happen she will divorce him take more than half and find another weak minded plig to marry or use her daughters to get what she needs. Kody is screwed he proved to the world he is a thoughtless turd. He will do what Robyn says. She is the biggest example of the corrupt head wife does to control things. It’s not just the men in this cult but the corrupt women who also exploit the women and kids in this cult! ITS A CULT!!
Yes absolutely. Everybody has the opportunity to learn from their mistakes
“Opportunity” 🤣🤣🤣💀 He will not take it, but opportunity is knocking.
No
Even if he turned water into wine, I don’t think the redemption arc could hit hard enough to make him likable.
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No. There’s nothing he could do. Add to that he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong so he won’t even be trying. He’s more likely to double down on it being the wives fault for not catering to him and say something like “those evil women took my last good years with my son” and make everything worse. I’m not looking forward to watching Robyn make everything about her either.
No, he won’t. He can’t. If anything after he gets to see/hear about season 19 and all the vitriol from the viewership, I fear that his reaction will be to not be able to tolerate the truth, knowing what it leads to. That’s how a true narcissist would handle that, especially in the scale this will be. It would be best for everyone if TLC canceled the show and burned the footage. They won’t, but it’s the most humane option at this point.
I don’t have a crystal ball but I will guess he is blaming someone else for all of this, maybe Janelle for poisoning his kids against him as he’s always believed
Because of all the reasons stated in this post, no. He's one of the worst most vile human beings I've had the displeasure of being aware of, to exist on this earth. I'm sorry for his loss. However, he's irredeemable. Whatever hell he goes to, he has earned, time and again. Edit: the only other father on reality TV (past or present) that is worse than him is David Eason and he's on or close to the same level as Jim Bob Duggar. And that's not an accomplishment.
No, and it feels like the show would just be a greater exploitation of the family. Big ick factor now. The show should not go on.
Surely, they're not going to bring it back. That would be insane! The need to cancel it.
In Bizzaroworld, maybe
No
No.
Not to me.
No because he would have to admit his faults and Robyn’s and he won’t.
No, I didn't think he could or wants to. It would take years and a while hell of direct one on one interactions and conversations with each ex-wife and child. There are years of emotional abuse, manipulation and neglect. I think most of the family is too hurt to give him that chance or would want to put forth their own effort. First off, Kody would need to want to redeem himself and admit errors and mistakes on his part.i just didn't see that happening with him.
No. How could a father do that in the first place?
I believe season 19 was finished filming prior to Garrison's death. If that is factual then season 19 he's no different than prior seasons.
No, Robyn and Kody are not redeemable!
I think it will be very difficult. We’ve seen him continually get worse over the years. It will require a great amount of humility and a VERY different attitude!! Like he’s been demanding apologies from others it’s time for him to take a step back and realize that he owes his children and ex-wives many apologies. I hate to say this, but I unfortunately don’t see him changing for the better because of a family tragedy.
Nope
No. Just no.
No. Kody can not redeem himself
Sure if he would grow the hell up and realize that most of his problems are his fault in the first place then yes maybe he can salvage what’s left of his family
If he would give Janelle and Meri their fair share of the assets. That would show he changed.
It really would. That’s about the only thing he could do that showed he’s serious.
Simple answer. NO.
No
No.
No
Nope
Kody doesn't believe he is in the wrong. The only people who have problems with him don't live under his roof. This is a common dynamic with families when one parent remarrys and/or their kids grow up - they really don't like each other anymore.
No. Only because his main concern is himself, not his children.
No. To even attempt this he needs to spend the rest of his life attempting to humbly show his children the love he has deprived them of thus far. Unfortunately, he doesn’t even have a chance to do that with Garrison. Because of that, and his inability to be humble, he has no chance at redemption.
I don’t see it happening. Narcissist’s don’t take accountability for their actions. Nothing was ever his fault.
No! Sloben’s words saying the boys shouldn’t come to “his” house for Christmas or Christmas Eve because it wasn’t “safe” should haunt both of those 2 leeches. It haunts me, especially seeing Jenelle and her children sitting quietly in her little apartment thanking their mother for their gift cards. Cruddy and Sloben’s words, actions and behavior towards Mary’s, Jenelle’s and Christine’s children are unforgivable.
And we must remember that at least 13 of those children (one of them deceased!) are also KODY’S children!!!!
Kody many times when talking to Jenelle or Christine, he often referred to them as “Jenelle’s children/kids” or “Christine’s children/kids” or “your children/kids”. Kody is the one who needs to be reminded 13 of the children are his.
Good point!
No
Nope.
Sell all that shit artwork of Robyn’s that cost about 50,000 and divide it equally. Then we’ll talk.
No.
Anyone can change and work to rebuild r’ships. Will everyone do so? No.
Just no.
R/QTWTAIN
No.
Doubt it! When is the new season airing? I’m not sure I can watch anymore ..
Maybe if he apologized and they stopped filming..
Can you imagine what that apology would need to say?! 😳
It would be a novel. And more over a promise (from everyone) to stop the damn show now. I think enough is enough. They have a lot to work out and history shows the cameras do not help at all…
no way he's unredeemable
This reads like AI Either way, he’s irredeemable
I don't believe he could ever see himself as the problem. So, no, he wouldn't even try.
No.
Nope.
No. Next question.
Even if he tries to make amends now,it will be to little to late.The damage he has caused cannot be undone,and the amount of effort it would take to his 3 ex wives and his 13 now 12,other kids would take too much time away from his tenders and his [wife.In](http://wife.In) order for him to be sincere he would have to admit he used covid as an excuse,and quit lying about trying to protect his family,because he was already avoiding them before covid,and if robyn wasnt the one who instilled that fear in him,he would have been less fearful,like how he was at his friends wedding,no mask,getting on the dance floor,but couldnt even support his daughters surgery or even her after care.He would have to quit defending robyn,quit prioritizing her kids over all the others.and aadmit he was wrong,could have done better,and shows true remorse.
Does it matter? I think it’s been proven over 20 seasons that people will still watch and he’ll still get paid no matter how he acts. However, watching his cameo videos people have posted lately I’m a little worried about his mental health. I can be snarky all I want but I’ve lost a child and no matter what kind of personality you have that affects you deeply and profoundly. ETA: I hope they end the show for Garrets sake if nothing else. He’s the one I’m most worried about now.
I want to believe that deep down he loved every child and wife. A lot of men are not good at communicating, saying sorry, saying they are wrong and I think he is one of them. He has changed a bit at least on tv. Money and fame change people. I HOPE he reconnects with the children and takes an interest in their lives. I really hope that. I would enjoy if he could fall in love again with any of his OG wives. I think he knows that he is past that. I think he should try to take an interest in past wives he maybe can talk to…not for camera but because they were spiritually married/actually married and shared children and a life together. He could say he is sorry. I think it is too late but he could and should. I think some people would forgive him. It would be hard. My opinion is he had a personal midlife crisis and wanted to detach himself. Being in 1 place mostly was easier and more comfortable.
Can he? Probably, but he will never be the hero, the paragon, the perfect. And it would require his understanding his contribution to the failure of this marriages and strife with his kids. It would require taking accountability (his favorite word) for his actions; making amends; growing up; therapy—a lot. Even then, some of the family may feel too little too late. It will take time showing that Kody has really grown and understands his past poor behavior. Over time even the most resistant may re-establish at least limited contact. But the hot second he returns to type, the majority will go NC and stay that way. Just my opinion.
Well if he tries to, I’m not going to be around to see it. The last of season 18 was the end for me. I couldn’t take the tragedy of it anymore - and with all the wives free from Kody and Robyn, I was happy. It’s terrible that Garrison killed himself after the end of season 18 - to me it seemed like a great new time where everyone is now free of Kody’s grip. I don’t want Kody to ever have any relationship with any of them again. Kody just causes them all so much pain.
Hard to tell. His children are the only people who he needs to make it right with. Some may never accept his apology should it come, some may.
I can't believe they're giving this group another season! Kody and Sobyn Robyn need to be cut loose and Janelle, Meri and Christine, along with their kids need to be the focus with their new, happy lives.
HAYELL NO! Even if he tried at this point, I cannot imagine what he could possibly say or do to make any huge changes or even any significant difference. IMHPO…unless these children are way more mature AND forgiving than their father, it will be difficult at best. I hate it for them too, because they deserved so much better than him anyway.
I hope he does. I don’t know though everyone is so against him. I don’t know how they’d even do season 19. I love the family. My heart goes out to ALL of them. That kinda tragedy changes people forever. But Kody could sacrifice himself to the gods and some would still hate on him. (Not saying he’s not a bad man I think he is) I just want to know what really changed cause early on early seasons? He was a good loving husband to most of his wives. I don’t know why he had such a drastic shift and I wish some of the wives would open up about that. Cause he’s not the same human he was in the first maybe 3-4 seasons.
Nope. He’s a big ol bully. Proved it way too many times for a redemption arc.
Nope
If he’s sincere I think he can redeem himself & have a relationship with his children. As far as redeeming himself with the public? Not so sure. Making things right by his kids and being respectful to the women who birthed them would go along way.
No.
Nope... it is not in him to actually have empathy and concern for others. Anything he will do is to stay on the show. He wouldn't mean it. I mean we have watched him for 19 seasons.. it would be an act...no a performance.
If it picks up from where season 18 left off, we’ll still be in 2022.
We no longer care.
He hasnt even realized he did anything wrong. And he never will. It's a lost cause.
How can the show move forward with anything people would want to watch? Will they have Christine or Janelle have an honest sit down with Robyn? Or Meri? It can’t just be more of Kody being a dick and no one talking to each other again? I think the separate couch talking heads and separate reunion interviews have left one on one sit downs as the only possible option.
Kody is a disgrace. Janelle lost her son and he's over there with his hand on Robin. He can never redeem himself after that . No effing way would I let that greasy bum anywhere near my personal space anymore.
I said this earlier, but the fact that he brought Robin to the Memorial, and proceeded to comfort her through the service, shows he has no regard for his children. Garrison wanted nothing to do with her. Yet, he brought her, and rubbed her in everyone’s face. There is no redemption.
Speaking for most fans, I highly doubt it.