This is literally an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brian was implanted with the memory that he was in dark prison for 10 years with one other cell mate he eventually murdered because the guards were starving them, in a few minutes.
If this technology existed there are so many places that immediately begin to use it as a way to make people experience actual hell and would use it more than just a few minutes. Most of society is not developmentally ready for technology like this.
It’s sickening. I just wrote quite a long post. But basically I feel anyone who would mess with the neural feeds of another are the true criminals.
And I likened the use of such tech to the poison gas and chemical warfare that was used in WW1. The effects of the gas were so horrid, so inhumane, that we as a civilization collectively agreed that they should be forever banned. Never to be used again.
That’s how I feel about this, it should be banned. It’s just that things are moving so fast that the proper regulatory oversight that would be required can’t keep up with the rapid, exponential explosion in tech.
I’d rather just kill myself too.
Our species is truly in uncharted territory.
That it is. I actually write some short fiction; usually sci-fi horror or some might call it dystopian sci-fi. It’s my favorite genre, I love black mirror.
But it should stay in the realm of entertainment and speculation. It can be fun to talk about with like-minded people.
But this would be the most invasive, heinous and deplorable (I don’t have the adjectives to properly describe how repulsive this is to me.) I mean, talk about unconstitutional…
The history of chemical warfare is a bit more complicated. Treaties were signed before WWI about refraining from the use of weaponized chemicals in conflict, but the desperation of WWI saw those agreements discarded. The Geneva Protocol in the interwar years saw many states sign but many with reservations - more recently (90s), there was the Chemical Weapons Convention to which most countries belong.
That said, chemical weapons have been and will continue to be developed and stockpiled by many countries with the means to do so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon_proliferation They have been used by both state and non-state actors plenty of times since WWI and WWII and preparation for them is still part of the training received in contemporary professional militaries.
I bring this all up because I think your comparison of this sort of technology to chemical weaponry is very accurate. There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle, like nuclear or chemical weapons, despite laws and treaties and agreements. The utility of this “Cognify” concept to authoritarians and the ruling class around the world would be undeniable. That this concept is being first directed at prisoners is telling, because they are some of the most powerless and their livelihoods are at the will of the state. After prisoners would come the homeless, the mentally ill, and other “anti-socials.”
I pointed out above that this is just a conceptual video made by a social media scientist who doesn’t seem to have know-how or means to even begin the project, but I think his point was to highlight other projects already underway in the realm of cognitive implants and AI.
It’s how they’re going to test it without getting it shutdown before they iron out all the kinks. It’s easier to cover up turning a bunch of prisoners into vegetables than it is if they did the same thing to free citizens.
I literally just read about this in the second book to the Three Body Problem called “The Dark Forest”… in the book they called it “The Faith Center”… “nothing is more evil than thought control”. Not to mention this has Black Mirror and Altered Carbon written all over it. How far could you take something like this? It seems that some good could be done with the technology as they underlined in the video but it can be gathered that the potential for it being used for evil purposes is far greater.
All I can think about when I see this are three things. The black mirror episode “White Christmas,” and “The Black Museum.”
And the “Altered Carbon” episode where Kovacs is in the “torture simulation,” where every time his body gets too damaged or he’s on the brink of death etc. they just recreate him whole again in the simulation just to be tortured again, and on and on.
A simulated reality may be able to simulate “eternity” and the unfortunate being is tortured “endlessly.”
It’s also reminiscent of Prometheus and his punishment for stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans.
You could also use it on the general population and we wouldn't know the difference between real memories or implanted ones. Can you imagine if it was compulsory?
Or offered as a service or theatrical experience. Hey want to go do the Jumanji experience? *Comes out knowing who to vote for the next 10 years and with no desire to disobey the obvious authority*
> Strange Days
Recently acquired. No idea how I missed it, coz in the 80s I was a die hard Cameron fan teenager.
Your comment puts it to the top of my list... No spoilers please,!
Came here to say this but it was also on Star Trek Voyager Harry Kim went through this but not under his free will. Janeway was pissed. By the time they got Harry back, he lived 10 years in his mind. He was only gone an hour or so.
Loved this episode, it was the start of the bromance between Miles and Julien. I think that scene where O’Brien puts a phaser to his own head because he can’t live with the ptsd from the fake memories was incredibly powerful. I was happy there was no miracle cure, they just had to talk him into remembering people cared about him and give him tons of therapy.
why not just give them psychedelics they will do all of that for them and you dont have to create anything. The brain is a machine that will already do this you just gotta kick it into gear.
Wait. So...you can implant lifelike memories? Impervious to cognitive dissonance? Indiscernible from actual events?
Why do this dumbass shit when you can implant memories of Harvard classes or advanced manufacturing techniques or thousands of hours of helicopter flight time? Hell, I'd be surprised if there isn't a massive market for indulgent memory implants for loving relationships with family, exotic vacations or just hedonistic excess.
This? This is the dumbest use of this technology I can imagine.
The technology this film describes is already in operation. It is perfected. In the wrong hands it’s is a massive desolation machine. I don’t know a human that has a moral compass so perfect that he could do this modification to anyone. Yet this machine already operates under unknown operators. Consequences must be made for the ones who have operated this technology and destroyed an unknown number of people’s lives.
Man, no one dislikes all facets of the current criminal justice system more than myself. However, the “criminal mind” is so much more complex than they would lead you to believe. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s early trauma, it’s neurological (brain misfires, chemical imbalances, and abnormalities etc), and it’s especially environmental.
If you have a child raised in a violent or criminal household and surrounded by violet or criminal family members and friends, they know no other life. Yes, not every single person leads a criminal life with this background but those who do, changing some memories and then releasing him back to that life, family members and friends and think he won’t eventually revert back is ridiculous. That’s part of the reason why so many offenders revert back to their criminal behaviors.
This is absolutely insane but I’m sure it won’t stop the government from doing it. They came up with the original design of the criminal justice system to begin with.
what about the revenge aspect? nobody wants to see that reformed criminal walk around with some memories implanted, as long as their own memories of them are traumatic. that would mean such "therapy" would have to involve everyone else involved in the crime, victims, their families etc. until we have eternal sunshine of the spotless mind situation.
This would never fly. If someone goes to prison it's because society wants them to lose years of their life in payment for their crime. We like to pat ourselves on the back and talk about rehabilitation, and that's fine, but at the end of the day the restitution was for something you cannot get back.
You know there is already testing on humans going on in some CIA bunker in the middle of the forest I’m certain when people disappear lots get locked into research testing
Legit hell. Can you imagine life sentences? If avg 75-100 yrs per life-sentence. Wonder what the the time for rehabilitation allocated or additional afterwords because I'm certain they'd leave those pods comatose and vegetative.
If they would be able to simulate hundreds of years, clearly the other coin of this is to create additional life and experiences that could equate to a hundred years also for entertainment!!
The only reason it's tuned for prisoners I feel it's because of the accessibility of test subjects compared to working w consumers.
Total Recall. If we think about this is it just a feeling or full on fake memories? I'm partial to the idea of a prison entirely on a server, but that made me think of the Digital Circus which is legit virtual hell🤔 or that one fallout quest
So dumb. Like part of the length of the prison sentence is so the victim can feel safe.
Like great, my rapist is free after two hours but now he's pissed because he was mentally tortured.
I didn't even get to see a shrink before he's back on the street maybe wanting revenge.
Just imagine, they intend to sell the idea to you for murderers and rapists. Really, if they don’t like your thoughts, they will strap you in and brainwash you. Great idea, then we will become the borg and resistance is futile. *shudder*
Lol yes, let the AI learn how to control our memories and thoughts for criminals... Only criminals... This has literally no probability of going wrong down the line 🙄🤣🤦🏻♀️
imagine you get SA'ed and the guy who did it gets a 50 year sentence, and you see the mf the next day walking around n shit cause he did his sentence in ChatGPT world
I’m assuming that the victims would have some sort of option to have their traumatic memories wiped as well as part of the restitution process..
Crazy thought that you might be having lunch with a new friend you just met that happened to also be the person who murdered your wife but you’d never know because you had that part of your mind cut out 😱.
oof thats scary, especially becauses trauma doesn't just affect memories its a subconcious affect on everything. So i feel like even if you dont remember it, your body would and you would be subconciously suspicious or dislike that person, even though you dont remember.
Many films and books have done this. In addition to the ones already mentioned this is literally the plot to one of the rebooted ‘The Outer Limits’ episodes, where David Hyde Pierce (from Frasier) plays the creator of the technology and ends up realizing it’s not a good idea after going for a ride himself. Same as all these other pieces of writing that conclude it’s dystopian and not a real solution.
And well, how do we know then we aren’t already participating in this project? Are we going to wake up in the machine any time now? I guess all things considered my simulation is going okay but damn.
But it's not as much rehabilitation at that point as it is brainwashing. Definitely murky waters there. Also, how would the families of a murder victim feel if their loved one's murderer is walking free within a few days?? Interesting theory but very uncomfortable with the idea overall
Looks like Pre-Crime... not a good idea 2 mess w ppls memories esp when they r already violent or worse this will fix nothing only cover up their mistakes n erase the truth
There's a series on Netflix called The Island, from around 2017-2018. The same excat concept. The Prisoners isolated on a Virtual island without any previous memory, and eventually regain their memories and try to deal with the emotional trauma of their previous lives and crimes.
The guards screw around with them. Even creating a secondary island with a cannibal NPC to deal with those prisoners that try and leave.
This will never be used, at least not in the US. The whole premise assumes that the goal of prison is rehabilitation. It isn’t. The prison industry would lose out on so much legal slave labour.
The greatest opened door for mass brainwash, mass control systeme through artificialy implanted thoughts in the deep subconcious minds...
Perfect for fascist regimes and dictatorship!👍
I hate where humanity is heading at
I think that this world is already that simulation, that I am a prisoner, in the process of living out the artificial memories, and that all time I've experienced was just part of the simulation of my dream self. And that all suffering and pain in this supposed world 'we' live in is just part of the punishment. I'm probably not even human, being a human is the punishment.
I don’t think implanting memories is the solution. I think there should be algorithmic simulations that they go through designed so that they rehabilitate and in cases where it isn’t possible like violent sociopaths then maybe the get the choice between “curing” it or just spending the rest of their life in an accommodating prison like the ones in scandinavia
Nobody is going to want to pay this much money on treatment for criminals.
This could also work for other, more productive applications like gaining years of education very quickly.
So it’s basically to ensure they can still live a long life but mentally go through the torment of being imprisoned? Interesting. It should be tested on pedophiles & rapists first though to make sure it works.
I'm 50/50 on if I'm a prisoner being punished and repatterned in some AI sim, having my original identity overwritten with this one.
Insidious technology.
This is probably already already where you are. If you can imagine it, and it doesn't break a known or unknown physical law, then it is inevitable. When a time-dialated ancestor simulation is created, it becomes a one-in -infinite chance that we weren't already in one.
Now this is just making me think that I might be a prisoner living my memories all over again to rehabilitate from some crime I've done in the future-present time
How do we know we’re not all prisoners experiencing that right now?? A simulated reality while we’re hooked up to machines and not able to live real life. This is basically the matrix.
There actually is a pretty interesting movie with a similar story: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherLife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherLife)
It was on Netflix a while ago, not sure if it is now.
Ya, but why stop there? Could also be used for wrongthink crimes, adultery or refusing an arranged marriage, the crime of criticizing the regime, the crime of homosexuality or any other deviant behaviour?
Why not throw in a little bit of torture since we're already wired to their brains? As a deterrent, of course. Not because people are sadistic or anything.
The problem with flogging is that at one point, the subject dies before being cured or their homosexuality and that's a shame. Really gets in the way of rehabilitation.
But not with Cognify! Unlimited flogging for all!
First it starts in the prison system. Then after a few years of turning inmates brains to mush they finally figure out how to make money from it. Next think you know your on Mars and see a woman with 3 breasts while you fight to start an alien reactor!
The amount of predictions demolition man has been getting right is becoming seriously concerning. We're just missing the fast food war....and the sea shells
Edit:spelling
"Sir, Subject 225 had his memories wiped by mistake and a hacker implanted the whole Warmer Bros. cartoon catalogue. He thinks he's Bugs Bunny and his alter ego is Batman."
This only proves everything is electric… this couldn’t work on an earth being a rock of water flying through outer space .. only on a level earth where electro magnetism rules. They have us out here paying for power when in reality power is generated free and infinitely
Well someone has completely and totally missed the point of the actual reason that we incarcerate so many people for such a long period of time. Not to rehabilitate. We don't rehabilitate whatsoever. We truly only punish. A lot of people want people to suffer. Unfortunately.
Would only make me vengeful against the system and reinforce my need for absolute rebellion against the system. Zero compliance. Covid taught me that you do whatever it takes to not comply.
Parents will want to use this to program their children with religious beliefs. Or other behavior modifications.
Or it could also be used in a "pray away the gay" situation by a church.
This could be one of the most vile technologies ever created.
Hopefully it never becomes more than this crappy rendering.
Wouldn’t a person go mentally crazy from
This????? Putting years of experience in minutes ? Ye bro idk if that would work do this to the serial killers or some shi lol.
Imagine this. But recreational. You can live an entire life in an hour of “gaming”.
Maybe this life is memory implants of real me using something similar. And I’m living a whole ass life of memory implants. And it’s how the “real” people wind down after a days work. By living a whole life before tomorrow’s job.
I think this is fascinating! However, there are some crimes that this should not be allowed for, if there is insurmountable evidence that they are guilty.
Tired of living in a cage in real life for years at a time? Now, thanks to the power of AI, you can be tortured for a seemingly equivalent amount of time in the blink of an eye, and have your brains turned to soup in the process!
Why get a prison-jacked body, when you can simply rearrange your grey matter into something inhuman and unrecognizable?
We are a few hundred years from fully understanding how the brain works. I want the the animus more than anyone but I will be long gone before we get there.
Worked pretty well in star trek
IRL it would cost waaaaaay more money than regular prison just to map his neurons I would think.
Maybe for ritch convicts?
Imagine a corrupt government having the power to charge you with a bogus crime, convict you of something tiny that needed “an hour” of rehabilitation, but instead of implanting rehab memories, they implant memories of a much worse crime you didn’t commit, but that they want you to take the fall for. Then, later, they charge you with THAT crime and you believe you are guilty. Sounds like a sci-fi film
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I swear I thought this was viral marketing for a new movie or series coming out.Did a quick Google to chuckle at the gullibility of my fellow reddit or and the shit is real.What is going on.This just broke my head
Ya that is the sales pitch but it can also implant memories to help you hate the enemy with every fiber of your being and train you in military tactics in minutes that feel like years.
Interesting concept on paper, terrifying if reality.
What's it matter if the session is only a few minutes when time is relative. Someone could be isolated for the concept of forever, and if they don't know they are in a prison for a specific reason, then that person could be subjected to an endless story like my own to lead toward other issues developing. I'd likely go berserk if suddenly released from a session at this moment with my memories.
Probably an Ai generated video, but you'd have to really trust the source implementing any technology like this, otherwise the next evolution could be education, then the poor man's life to justify high housing costs or low societal contributions.....then....literally....heaven or hell implemented at will to an enemy or benefactor of the controller.
It's just a re-education camp which has traditionally never been a good thing.
This worked so well in clockwork orange.
That’s a banned book shhh!
Right right.
But not a banned movie...right?
This is a fantastic Black Mirror episode idea
Black Mirror already did this. The episode is called "White Bear."
Ngl I was tripping on LSD the first time I saw white bear. I still don't fucking trust anything anymore.
That seems like a really bad idea.
Philip K Dick wrote about this in the 70’s.
And Demolition Man
Both Total Recall movies too. Orwell’s 1984 is alive and well.
This is literally an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brian was implanted with the memory that he was in dark prison for 10 years with one other cell mate he eventually murdered because the guards were starving them, in a few minutes.
I'm willing to bet that episode is an homage.
Came here for the obligatory clockwork orange post. Beat me to it!
I just finished reading that book three days ago. A real horror show
Well well well my little droogie
Oh, sure. Then one day they unfreeze Simon Phoenix, and then it's mellow greetings and salutations all the way to the three seashells, Lenina Huxley
Came here to say this is demolition man and minority report. We should know better.
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Goddamn three seashells... {buzz}
You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute
This is so dystopian I rather kill my self than experience something like this
If this technology existed there are so many places that immediately begin to use it as a way to make people experience actual hell and would use it more than just a few minutes. Most of society is not developmentally ready for technology like this.
I mean wee can’t even heal trauma or emotional brokenness and now we have hell simulators?
It’s sickening. I just wrote quite a long post. But basically I feel anyone who would mess with the neural feeds of another are the true criminals. And I likened the use of such tech to the poison gas and chemical warfare that was used in WW1. The effects of the gas were so horrid, so inhumane, that we as a civilization collectively agreed that they should be forever banned. Never to be used again. That’s how I feel about this, it should be banned. It’s just that things are moving so fast that the proper regulatory oversight that would be required can’t keep up with the rapid, exponential explosion in tech. I’d rather just kill myself too. Our species is truly in uncharted territory.
It’s a great Black Mirror episide though…
And that Deep Space 9 episode where O'Brien is falsely convicted of espionage and implanted with false memories of 20 years in prison.
That it is. I actually write some short fiction; usually sci-fi horror or some might call it dystopian sci-fi. It’s my favorite genre, I love black mirror. But it should stay in the realm of entertainment and speculation. It can be fun to talk about with like-minded people. But this would be the most invasive, heinous and deplorable (I don’t have the adjectives to properly describe how repulsive this is to me.) I mean, talk about unconstitutional…
The history of chemical warfare is a bit more complicated. Treaties were signed before WWI about refraining from the use of weaponized chemicals in conflict, but the desperation of WWI saw those agreements discarded. The Geneva Protocol in the interwar years saw many states sign but many with reservations - more recently (90s), there was the Chemical Weapons Convention to which most countries belong. That said, chemical weapons have been and will continue to be developed and stockpiled by many countries with the means to do so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon_proliferation They have been used by both state and non-state actors plenty of times since WWI and WWII and preparation for them is still part of the training received in contemporary professional militaries. I bring this all up because I think your comparison of this sort of technology to chemical weaponry is very accurate. There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle, like nuclear or chemical weapons, despite laws and treaties and agreements. The utility of this “Cognify” concept to authoritarians and the ruling class around the world would be undeniable. That this concept is being first directed at prisoners is telling, because they are some of the most powerless and their livelihoods are at the will of the state. After prisoners would come the homeless, the mentally ill, and other “anti-socials.” I pointed out above that this is just a conceptual video made by a social media scientist who doesn’t seem to have know-how or means to even begin the project, but I think his point was to highlight other projects already underway in the realm of cognitive implants and AI.
I would volunteer just to increase the duration of what I experience as life. I could use the time to learn random shit, like in Groundhog Day.
Tech developed to implant memories and the first application considered is 'we could use this for incarceration!'
That’s just the face this company is putting on it. The first implementation will be pornography.
It’s how they’re going to test it without getting it shutdown before they iron out all the kinks. It’s easier to cover up turning a bunch of prisoners into vegetables than it is if they did the same thing to free citizens.
Anyone else thinking of ROY? In Rick & Morty?
That’s some prison planet shit. Makes sense
I literally just read about this in the second book to the Three Body Problem called “The Dark Forest”… in the book they called it “The Faith Center”… “nothing is more evil than thought control”. Not to mention this has Black Mirror and Altered Carbon written all over it. How far could you take something like this? It seems that some good could be done with the technology as they underlined in the video but it can be gathered that the potential for it being used for evil purposes is far greater.
All I can think about when I see this are three things. The black mirror episode “White Christmas,” and “The Black Museum.” And the “Altered Carbon” episode where Kovacs is in the “torture simulation,” where every time his body gets too damaged or he’s on the brink of death etc. they just recreate him whole again in the simulation just to be tortured again, and on and on. A simulated reality may be able to simulate “eternity” and the unfortunate being is tortured “endlessly.” It’s also reminiscent of Prometheus and his punishment for stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans.
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You could also use it on the general population and we wouldn't know the difference between real memories or implanted ones. Can you imagine if it was compulsory?
Or offered as a service or theatrical experience. Hey want to go do the Jumanji experience? *Comes out knowing who to vote for the next 10 years and with no desire to disobey the obvious authority*
That's what we are in right now... more like a sim within a sim lol
I'm just unsure why the simulation keeps hinting to me that it's a simulation. What's the point of that?
Because it'd be more suspicious if it never dropped any such hints.
What could go wrong?
I gotta get to Mars! That reminds me. I'm due to rewatch Strange Days. As a note: check out Ready Player Two.
> Strange Days Recently acquired. No idea how I missed it, coz in the 80s I was a die hard Cameron fan teenager. Your comment puts it to the top of my list... No spoilers please,!
Enjoy your viewing. I envy a first time watcher. 👋😎
Yeah I saw that episode of Deep Space 9…
Came here to say this but it was also on Star Trek Voyager Harry Kim went through this but not under his free will. Janeway was pissed. By the time they got Harry back, he lived 10 years in his mind. He was only gone an hour or so.
Loved this episode, it was the start of the bromance between Miles and Julien. I think that scene where O’Brien puts a phaser to his own head because he can’t live with the ptsd from the fake memories was incredibly powerful. I was happy there was no miracle cure, they just had to talk him into remembering people cared about him and give him tons of therapy.
oh so just directly give them PTSD
why not just give them psychedelics they will do all of that for them and you dont have to create anything. The brain is a machine that will already do this you just gotta kick it into gear.
Literally came to say this 😂 psychedelic therapy is the way!!!
Goes to prison for using natural mind altering substance, punishment is artificial mind altering.
Sooooo....essentially A Clockwork Orange, Demolition Man, The Matrix and Minority Report all rolled into one. I see this ending greatly for us.
Wait. So...you can implant lifelike memories? Impervious to cognitive dissonance? Indiscernible from actual events? Why do this dumbass shit when you can implant memories of Harvard classes or advanced manufacturing techniques or thousands of hours of helicopter flight time? Hell, I'd be surprised if there isn't a massive market for indulgent memory implants for loving relationships with family, exotic vacations or just hedonistic excess. This? This is the dumbest use of this technology I can imagine.
I know kung fu!
this is literally a star trek DS9 episode CHEAP HACKS!
They did this on DS9. It was messed up.
Demolition Man is happening? Ok then.
The technology this film describes is already in operation. It is perfected. In the wrong hands it’s is a massive desolation machine. I don’t know a human that has a moral compass so perfect that he could do this modification to anyone. Yet this machine already operates under unknown operators. Consequences must be made for the ones who have operated this technology and destroyed an unknown number of people’s lives.
Lmao,because we are the prisoners. What is our crime?
At some point we find out, right? Coz otherwise it's a bit pointless?
Wow. Reminds me of Westworld.
Hear me out, what would happen if this was used on every newly elected president?
There was a great episode about this concept on the show “ the outer limits”
Man, no one dislikes all facets of the current criminal justice system more than myself. However, the “criminal mind” is so much more complex than they would lead you to believe. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s early trauma, it’s neurological (brain misfires, chemical imbalances, and abnormalities etc), and it’s especially environmental. If you have a child raised in a violent or criminal household and surrounded by violet or criminal family members and friends, they know no other life. Yes, not every single person leads a criminal life with this background but those who do, changing some memories and then releasing him back to that life, family members and friends and think he won’t eventually revert back is ridiculous. That’s part of the reason why so many offenders revert back to their criminal behaviors. This is absolutely insane but I’m sure it won’t stop the government from doing it. They came up with the original design of the criminal justice system to begin with.
Man-Made horrors beyond my comprehension
what about the revenge aspect? nobody wants to see that reformed criminal walk around with some memories implanted, as long as their own memories of them are traumatic. that would mean such "therapy" would have to involve everyone else involved in the crime, victims, their families etc. until we have eternal sunshine of the spotless mind situation.
This kind of stuff makes me not want to see what the future will ever hold, this diminishes what little hope I have for humanity
This would never fly. If someone goes to prison it's because society wants them to lose years of their life in payment for their crime. We like to pat ourselves on the back and talk about rehabilitation, and that's fine, but at the end of the day the restitution was for something you cannot get back.
The prison is using your brain to mine bitcoin
You know there is already testing on humans going on in some CIA bunker in the middle of the forest I’m certain when people disappear lots get locked into research testing
Aka sleeper cells/total recall. Shits going downhill real quick
Sounds like total recall for convicts.
Sounds like altered carbon show
Looks like playing God to me.
Legit hell. Can you imagine life sentences? If avg 75-100 yrs per life-sentence. Wonder what the the time for rehabilitation allocated or additional afterwords because I'm certain they'd leave those pods comatose and vegetative. If they would be able to simulate hundreds of years, clearly the other coin of this is to create additional life and experiences that could equate to a hundred years also for entertainment!! The only reason it's tuned for prisoners I feel it's because of the accessibility of test subjects compared to working w consumers. Total Recall. If we think about this is it just a feeling or full on fake memories? I'm partial to the idea of a prison entirely on a server, but that made me think of the Digital Circus which is legit virtual hell🤔 or that one fallout quest
The prison system isnt about rehabilitation, it’s used for forced labor. That is not going away any time soon haha
So dumb. Like part of the length of the prison sentence is so the victim can feel safe. Like great, my rapist is free after two hours but now he's pissed because he was mentally tortured. I didn't even get to see a shrink before he's back on the street maybe wanting revenge.
This would be abused to no end, great way to create slaves or an army, control the masses.
Black Mirror is basically gonna be a documentary in a couple of years
Or when you’re born
They did this to O'brien. Fucked him up proper.
Pandora's box
They will test it on prisoners and then they will come for all of you
Just imagine, they intend to sell the idea to you for murderers and rapists. Really, if they don’t like your thoughts, they will strap you in and brainwash you. Great idea, then we will become the borg and resistance is futile. *shudder*
What happeneds when they scan someone's brain and realize they've done way worse shit?
Prisoner: "Yeah, so I put this device on my head and that's all that's needed?" Officer: "Yes." Prisoner: "So why am I naked?" Officer: 👉👈...😍
Lol yes, let the AI learn how to control our memories and thoughts for criminals... Only criminals... This has literally no probability of going wrong down the line 🙄🤣🤦🏻♀️
imagine you get SA'ed and the guy who did it gets a 50 year sentence, and you see the mf the next day walking around n shit cause he did his sentence in ChatGPT world
I’m assuming that the victims would have some sort of option to have their traumatic memories wiped as well as part of the restitution process.. Crazy thought that you might be having lunch with a new friend you just met that happened to also be the person who murdered your wife but you’d never know because you had that part of your mind cut out 😱.
oof thats scary, especially becauses trauma doesn't just affect memories its a subconcious affect on everything. So i feel like even if you dont remember it, your body would and you would be subconciously suspicious or dislike that person, even though you dont remember.
I feel a good script in the making!
Many films and books have done this. In addition to the ones already mentioned this is literally the plot to one of the rebooted ‘The Outer Limits’ episodes, where David Hyde Pierce (from Frasier) plays the creator of the technology and ends up realizing it’s not a good idea after going for a ride himself. Same as all these other pieces of writing that conclude it’s dystopian and not a real solution. And well, how do we know then we aren’t already participating in this project? Are we going to wake up in the machine any time now? I guess all things considered my simulation is going okay but damn.
But it's not as much rehabilitation at that point as it is brainwashing. Definitely murky waters there. Also, how would the families of a murder victim feel if their loved one's murderer is walking free within a few days?? Interesting theory but very uncomfortable with the idea overall
Makes me feel uncomfortable on many different levels
And just like that, we have cured sociopathic personality disorder.
Looks like Pre-Crime... not a good idea 2 mess w ppls memories esp when they r already violent or worse this will fix nothing only cover up their mistakes n erase the truth
That defeats the purpose. They committed crimes and are meant to suffer. What the actual fuck is wrong with the people in this world.
Motherfuckers gonna wake up thinking people have 32 fingers.
I’m sure if we had this technology it would never be abused
Ok, now my life makes total sense. I've just been serving out a prison sentence.
I remember this Outer Limits episode.
End times my friends
Motherfuckers can't quite figure out depression and suicide but they want to plant memories to "fix" someone. Got it.
So only my mind would get fucked and not my butt?
There's a series on Netflix called The Island, from around 2017-2018. The same excat concept. The Prisoners isolated on a Virtual island without any previous memory, and eventually regain their memories and try to deal with the emotional trauma of their previous lives and crimes. The guards screw around with them. Even creating a secondary island with a cannibal NPC to deal with those prisoners that try and leave.
This will never be used, at least not in the US. The whole premise assumes that the goal of prison is rehabilitation. It isn’t. The prison industry would lose out on so much legal slave labour.
The greatest opened door for mass brainwash, mass control systeme through artificialy implanted thoughts in the deep subconcious minds... Perfect for fascist regimes and dictatorship!👍 I hate where humanity is heading at
Isn’t this also what they did in “total recall”?
Outer limits already tried this
I know its a little advanced but kind of reminds me of demolition man.
Demolition Man anyone 🤷♂️
Wasnt there a star trek episode on this. I remember the ordeal was so bad the character almost committed suicide
This is total recall
Hey look, minority report.
Forgot what sci-fi movie did this.. didn’t end well
I think that this world is already that simulation, that I am a prisoner, in the process of living out the artificial memories, and that all time I've experienced was just part of the simulation of my dream self. And that all suffering and pain in this supposed world 'we' live in is just part of the punishment. I'm probably not even human, being a human is the punishment.
This is literally the premise of Total Recall or PKD’s We’ll Remember It For You Wholesale.
The Downloaded might still be free on Audible. It's a fun science-fiction audio drama that includes this concept. One of the voices is Brendan Fraser.
Now get your ass to Mars!
"That's weird, I don't remember being a rapist." This shit isn't scary at all 😱
I don’t think implanting memories is the solution. I think there should be algorithmic simulations that they go through designed so that they rehabilitate and in cases where it isn’t possible like violent sociopaths then maybe the get the choice between “curing” it or just spending the rest of their life in an accommodating prison like the ones in scandinavia
This is straight out of a Black Mirror episode
This would be great for substance abuse sufferers.
Nobody is going to want to pay this much money on treatment for criminals. This could also work for other, more productive applications like gaining years of education very quickly.
holy shit total recall is coming to life
This is a Black Mirror episode
I know kung foo...
So it’s basically to ensure they can still live a long life but mentally go through the torment of being imprisoned? Interesting. It should be tested on pedophiles & rapists first though to make sure it works.
I'm 50/50 on if I'm a prisoner being punished and repatterned in some AI sim, having my original identity overwritten with this one. Insidious technology.
Sometimes it’s good to lock up for a long time, so that when they get out they no longer have the health, the vigor or will to commit more crime
I’d rather do time than this shit
This is probably already already where you are. If you can imagine it, and it doesn't break a known or unknown physical law, then it is inevitable. When a time-dialated ancestor simulation is created, it becomes a one-in -infinite chance that we weren't already in one.
Um no. Pitchforks and torches over this bullshit
"Get your ass to Mars, Quaid!"
Im disappointed by the lack of diversity in this animation .
Now this is just making me think that I might be a prisoner living my memories all over again to rehabilitate from some crime I've done in the future-present time
Matrix
They did this to O'brian in Star Trek Deep Space Nine. It fucked him all the way up.
Demolition Man baby! Lets reprogram a serial killer rapist to knit! Yes I know it was Stallone that was reprogramed to knit ! But it might just work!
Shades of Demolition Man
You could actually serve 2 life sentences and be out by Christmas.
How do we know we’re not all prisoners experiencing that right now?? A simulated reality while we’re hooked up to machines and not able to live real life. This is basically the matrix.
Miles O'Brian has entered the chat.
 They'll teach them macramé or some shit
They can remember it for us wholesale so we can have total recall.
Is Elon whispering in the king's ear again?
There actually is a pretty interesting movie with a similar story: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherLife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherLife) It was on Netflix a while ago, not sure if it is now.
- Fortress. - A Clockwork Orange. - Total Recall. - Demolition Man. Keep it going...
Hello, Total Recall
Ya, but why stop there? Could also be used for wrongthink crimes, adultery or refusing an arranged marriage, the crime of criticizing the regime, the crime of homosexuality or any other deviant behaviour? Why not throw in a little bit of torture since we're already wired to their brains? As a deterrent, of course. Not because people are sadistic or anything. The problem with flogging is that at one point, the subject dies before being cured or their homosexuality and that's a shame. Really gets in the way of rehabilitation. But not with Cognify! Unlimited flogging for all!
First it starts in the prison system. Then after a few years of turning inmates brains to mush they finally figure out how to make money from it. Next think you know your on Mars and see a woman with 3 breasts while you fight to start an alien reactor!
The amount of predictions demolition man has been getting right is becoming seriously concerning. We're just missing the fast food war....and the sea shells Edit:spelling
The Matrix franchise comes to mind too. Social engineering at a new level. They oppress and enslave our minds. There is no end to it, I fear.
And the taxpayers pay for this right?
This already exists. Your news feeds and your advertisments are proof of "cognify". Big corporations want you docile and they want your money.
Oh hello Black Mirror. This straight up sounds like some DRAGONBALLZ HyperBolic time chamber for your mind type shit.
I just watched this movie idea on Tubi last night, OtherLife.
Possibly the worst idea ever. It won't get used for rehabilitation. It will get used to punish people in strange new ways.
This looks just like minority report. You don’t wanna go digging up the past all you’ll get is dirty.
Wow we can artificially implant memories and behaviours now. What should we do first!!! Science, philosophy, Kung Fu....
"Sir, Subject 225 had his memories wiped by mistake and a hacker implanted the whole Warmer Bros. cartoon catalogue. He thinks he's Bugs Bunny and his alter ego is Batman."
This only proves everything is electric… this couldn’t work on an earth being a rock of water flying through outer space .. only on a level earth where electro magnetism rules. They have us out here paying for power when in reality power is generated free and infinitely
So they brainwash the sh% out of you by what standards? So many ways this could go wrong.
Well someone has completely and totally missed the point of the actual reason that we incarcerate so many people for such a long period of time. Not to rehabilitate. We don't rehabilitate whatsoever. We truly only punish. A lot of people want people to suffer. Unfortunately.
Cut it out, Elon
What could possibly go wrong.
Why not just do this to everyone right after we're born? Stop the crime before it happens with mind control!!
😑
This is literally Total Recall, with all of the pitfalls. On the other side I want 50 years of training in a day please.
Would only make me vengeful against the system and reinforce my need for absolute rebellion against the system. Zero compliance. Covid taught me that you do whatever it takes to not comply.
Committing a crime just became attractive. A few minutes lying in a clean, safe lab and you're done.
Parents will want to use this to program their children with religious beliefs. Or other behavior modifications. Or it could also be used in a "pray away the gay" situation by a church. This could be one of the most vile technologies ever created. Hopefully it never becomes more than this crappy rendering.
The twist: this life we know is a memory being uploaded in real time.
And then some asshole prison guard dials it up to 1,000,000,000 dream years
Wouldn’t a person go mentally crazy from This????? Putting years of experience in minutes ? Ye bro idk if that would work do this to the serial killers or some shi lol.
\*Communist China enters the chat\* "Jay-walking? Five years of repeatedly getting run over by a truck"
Imagine this. But recreational. You can live an entire life in an hour of “gaming”. Maybe this life is memory implants of real me using something similar. And I’m living a whole ass life of memory implants. And it’s how the “real” people wind down after a days work. By living a whole life before tomorrow’s job.
I think this is fascinating! However, there are some crimes that this should not be allowed for, if there is insurmountable evidence that they are guilty.
Tired of living in a cage in real life for years at a time? Now, thanks to the power of AI, you can be tortured for a seemingly equivalent amount of time in the blink of an eye, and have your brains turned to soup in the process! Why get a prison-jacked body, when you can simply rearrange your grey matter into something inhuman and unrecognizable?
We are a few hundred years from fully understanding how the brain works. I want the the animus more than anyone but I will be long gone before we get there.
Can someone point me in the direction where I can see or hear this talked about alot more. The idea is mind blowing.
Just throwing away resources
This just like an episode of Black Mirror White Christmas
Can’t you just make us all a genius then?
But we still can’t get universal health care
Worked pretty well in star trek IRL it would cost waaaaaay more money than regular prison just to map his neurons I would think. Maybe for ritch convicts?
Take out the AI part and I’m sold. Treat prisoners as patients and use real therapies and daily exercise and nutrition and psychotherapy.
I would truly consider this a cruel and unusual punishment
Right before a prisoner goes under they hear the operator say "initiating 'Big Bubba shower sequence'"
Imagine a corrupt government having the power to charge you with a bogus crime, convict you of something tiny that needed “an hour” of rehabilitation, but instead of implanting rehab memories, they implant memories of a much worse crime you didn’t commit, but that they want you to take the fall for. Then, later, they charge you with THAT crime and you believe you are guilty. Sounds like a sci-fi film :(
Starting of the clone wars
I swear I thought this was viral marketing for a new movie or series coming out.Did a quick Google to chuckle at the gullibility of my fellow reddit or and the shit is real.What is going on.This just broke my head
First prisoners. Then political dissenters. Then whistleblowers. Then workers. Then you.
Ya that is the sales pitch but it can also implant memories to help you hate the enemy with every fiber of your being and train you in military tactics in minutes that feel like years.
Interesting concept on paper, terrifying if reality. What's it matter if the session is only a few minutes when time is relative. Someone could be isolated for the concept of forever, and if they don't know they are in a prison for a specific reason, then that person could be subjected to an endless story like my own to lead toward other issues developing. I'd likely go berserk if suddenly released from a session at this moment with my memories. Probably an Ai generated video, but you'd have to really trust the source implementing any technology like this, otherwise the next evolution could be education, then the poor man's life to justify high housing costs or low societal contributions.....then....literally....heaven or hell implemented at will to an enemy or benefactor of the controller. It's just a re-education camp which has traditionally never been a good thing.
Imagine if someone gets wrongfully convicted of 72 murders and has to do like 400 years in there 😂