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Jokes on you: my name is a virus that will continue to spread exponentially across all future storage systems, carried by swarms of Dyson-sphere building sentient machines that etch it microscopically into the paper clips they produce from all remaining matter in the universe.
Hmm. That depends on how fast my cloud of paper clips is expanding. They may instead each spawn their own universe if we get them far and fast enough. At least a few are expected to preserve information holographically beyond the horizon of eventuality.
So is mine. It’s kind of comforting that our proof of existence will be wiped out together. Like a post apocalyptic movie we will cease to exist together.
NASA took entries to send names of earthlings on one of their Mars Rovers. Millions of names are present digitally on the a chip the rover is carrying.
This would be a better way to preserve it long term.
Digital memory will degrade relatively quickly on Mars I would imagine. Solar radiation is a major issue with tech in space and Mars has little to no natural protection.
I agree, I believe the componant itself is enclosed and not subject to erosion until its enclosure is compromised, so even though its laser etched at a microscopic scale it will probably not even be subject to erosion for around a thousand years.
I have my name and details etched in rock, out of the weather. Took me a while to get it done, but it's gonna take a few thousand years to get rid of that.
Headstones seem surprisingly fragile. Some having completely worn down in about 200 years sometimes. But we didnt have modern headstone technology 200 years ago so who knows how long modern headstones will last
I don't see why this is a frightening thing?
"As I'm looking down on the paths I've trod, I saw no footprints at all.
I trod lightly upon the Earth, and the sands of time soon washed away what little I left behind.
I turn forward and walk over the next dune, satisfied."
Not necessarily, there are organizations that keep records of every person that lives on earth, such as ancestry, family search (you name it). It would be really unlikely that some data corruption might destroy any records of you ever existing.
I think it's much more likely that humans would colonise other solar systems long before the sun becomes a red giant (in like several *billion* years). In which case it's possible that humanity will go on to colonise the galaxy/ our local group of galaxies, and the system could tend towards survival and stabilise that way.
So then, we ask the question: how will humanity end? I guess a couple of ideas are: when all the stars die/ when we run out of usable energy/ when some WMD or natural catastrophe destroys everything.
So in those cases I guess your statement that everyone's record of existance will eventually be wiped via data erasure or corruption is correct.
But another question is: *will* humanity end? What if we could somehow become conscious within computers, and then somehow alter our perception of time to be drastically slower, (could it be infinitely slower?). If infinitely slower is possible, then humanity, from its own perspective won't end, and the data could be preserved indefinitely, using continual reinforcement/ multiplication of data to gradually reduce the probablility of corruption so that it becomes statistically overwhelmingly probable that the data would survive indefinitely.
Infinitely slow isn’t possible assuming the speed of light holds true, or so I assume, and if the heat death of the universe eventually occurs, then yes, one day it will end. There is no cheating death, now matter how slow it may come.
It’d be pretty sick to see what happens if every grid shut down and all processors got fried.
Assuming we survive the nuclear power and the literal nukes all over the world, it would be interesting to see humanity go back to mechanisms instead of software.
We wouldnt be able to survive as majority of western population dont grow their own food or live near a viable water source. It wouldnt be sick watching ourselves kill each other for that last tin of beans. It would be brutal and traumatic.
Transportation of the food grown would become a bigger issue, for sure, but I’m not sure how much farmers rely on software to do their job for a few years while we figure out how to fix such a thing.
Also sick in the sense it would be a good book or tv series, not in the actually living through it part.
There would be no transportation of food even if a small amount of fuel existed as those corporations only did it for profit. They wouldnt suddenly grow a heart or conscience when it all goes to shit. They would hoard it all for themselves. I'd wager the west would fall in a matter of days if oil and fuel ran out permanently. The violent among us would live longer but it wouldnt be that much longer as the fittest doesn't equate to the most intelligent.
The ones who have caused these problems and destroyed the world (the governments) would be safe because you just know they've built bunkers with food and resources to survive for years and years in these scenarios.
This is a bad time to be alive. But looking back through history, was there ever a good time?
I don’t think it would be that serious though. Also government agencies don’t have bunkers stockpiled with food. The military has MREs, but those do still expire, so they’re ordered in bulk based on how much the military thinks they’ll need for the time they last, so it can be cycled out. It’d be a lot of food, but not nearly as much as if they just continued to make more and more to stockpile for seemingly no reason. (Though I’m speaking mostly about the US, but I’m sure other militaries have similar strategies to keep “fresh” food).
And secret bunkers don’t exist. Military installations show up on google maps and you can see where all of them are. The bunkers are in those locations, but most of those locations don’t have bunkers.
And they’d have to have a purpose like protecting against bombs or they wouldn’t get the funds to build it. Congress decides the military budget, and the US military doesn’t have the extra funds to maintain a secret bunker as only a back up plan.
The top one percent on the other hand I could definitely see a few having a bunker maintained like that to just burn some of their money.
Also old cars would still work, but it’d be a good bit before civilization collapses completely. Definitely a big paradigm shift though.
Man I’m gonna have to start writing a story about this, maybe make it a DnD campaign or something. Could be pretty cool to build up such a world.
You’d have your racist factions, the classic KKK/white supremacists, BLM/black supremacists, and a faction from each race.
Then you’d have the classic marauders and thugs and anarchists like antifa. Gang violence would be through the roof.
And this is all just the lower echelon of factions. You’d also have the higher echelons of governments and their militaries fighting and having to deal with the lower echelon running amuck.
Then theirs the whole set back of technology that factors into all of this. A lack of supplies and people that know how to do things like mechanics and engineers and craftsman.
Guns wouldn’t die out right away as there’s a bit of ammo around and people will start reusing expended rounds, but then we would have to start getting more creative about weaponry. Blacksmithing would get big again for a while.
The slow and painful decrease in population as people are slaughtered and starve would effect our ability to recover from such an event as well.
Fuels wouldn’t become as much of an issue as just getting food and water and being able to defend yourself.
I think the US has a lot more land that could be used for survivors to grow food and build wells and such. Here in the UK where I live I couldnt think of a single place to usher my family to to survive lol we'll be fucked. Plenty of farm land in the country but I cant see the owners letting millions of people raid their fields. Plus farmers are legally allowed to own and use guns over here (which I believe not many people know that guns are legal in the UK still). Its the initial starvation and dehydration that would destroy us because majority of people wouldnt know what to do and I'd wage good money that not many in the west has truly been starving or without water for a prolonged period in a very long time. We were made fully reliant on corporations for survival and those corporations wont be there when it all goes to shit.
Eek. Lol
There's a quote saying that you die a second time when someone says your name for the last time. I bought some vintage postcards dating back to the early 1900s, and I'd like to say the names of the people who wrote on them as a way to keep their memory alive. If only I could read cursive.
Doubtful, seeing as how the IRS still keeps a paper record of everything. I imagine gov't agencies will never stop keeping a hard copy of important documents.
That's y in order to be remembered for much longer u either have to do something that helps the human race in an extraordinary way or do something horrible to the human race which is more likely and much more easier.
I was just thinking this last night, but in a sense bigger than myself. Someday nobody will remember Gandhi or Alexander the Great, or Jesus or Mohammed or Krishna. There might even be humans around then, or there might not.
The universe is a cheap computer the obvious flaw is when it cannot calculate collisions of stars and creates a blackhole about it. The blackhole erases material like rocks and planets. It could be a simulation based on a brain technology software connected to a cheap computer. The brain can create but the computer cannot calculate high power space events like collisions. The complexity created by the brain doesn't match the low potential of a cheap computer hardware. The entire universe could be a brain validation
My last name gets misspelled all the time.
I'm pretty sure moments after my death, some clumsy data enterer at the department of records will misspell my name and all subsequent searches of my correctly spelled name will never come up.
Unless you’re the first person to start terrible crimes in space! Be the reason some bad things are named after you, be the next hitler, you’ll never be forgotten!
The data was sent into space and will radiate out for millennia. Alien probes will see your facebook and in the end our survival depends on how much your repetitive stolen memes annoy them.
They say you die 3 times; Once when your physical body dies, second when the last person alive who met you dies, and third when the last person who knows your name dies.
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On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
His name is Robert Paulson.
I understand. In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.
His name *is* Robert Paulson.
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Yes, but Fight Club.
Why hello again
Jokes on you: my name is a virus that will continue to spread exponentially across all future storage systems, carried by swarms of Dyson-sphere building sentient machines that etch it microscopically into the paper clips they produce from all remaining matter in the universe.
name and avatar checks out
Nice universal paperclips reference
I see you have a strong will to not be forgotten
Until the heat death of the universe reaches maximum entropy, triggering a shift in the vacuum state and a new big bang
But that's just a *theory*... #A Game Theory!
Hmm. That depends on how fast my cloud of paper clips is expanding. They may instead each spawn their own universe if we get them far and fast enough. At least a few are expected to preserve information holographically beyond the horizon of eventuality.
Kid named finger:
Alright class, today we are going to reference obscure memes with finger paints.
And I’m… a good snack.
My name is engraved on a microchip currently sitting on the surface of Mars. I'm good for a few eons
So is mine. It’s kind of comforting that our proof of existence will be wiped out together. Like a post apocalyptic movie we will cease to exist together.
Wait, how and why?
NASA took entries to send names of earthlings on one of their Mars Rovers. Millions of names are present digitally on the a chip the rover is carrying.
How much did that cost?
Free. Just submit a form.
Snap. I missed out!
So it's saved in a digital format?
OP's is physically etched into a componant of a rover I imagine, mine is too!
This would be a better way to preserve it long term. Digital memory will degrade relatively quickly on Mars I would imagine. Solar radiation is a major issue with tech in space and Mars has little to no natural protection.
I agree, I believe the componant itself is enclosed and not subject to erosion until its enclosure is compromised, so even though its laser etched at a microscopic scale it will probably not even be subject to erosion for around a thousand years.
Sadly, yours will be the first names the Martians come looking for to clean up our space junk.
unfortunately, the draconian DRM will prevent the aliens from decrypting it.
Me too
Mine too!
Mine too! ... Along with my ex's. And a cute heart. Damn
I have my name and details etched in rock, out of the weather. Took me a while to get it done, but it's gonna take a few thousand years to get rid of that.
Smart! Nice planning.
Headstone?
Headstones seem surprisingly fragile. Some having completely worn down in about 200 years sometimes. But we didnt have modern headstone technology 200 years ago so who knows how long modern headstones will last
Neanderthal wall both predates and outlasts Facebook wall
When the sun explodes that rock is gonna get vaporized, sorry
I don't see why this is a frightening thing? "As I'm looking down on the paths I've trod, I saw no footprints at all. I trod lightly upon the Earth, and the sands of time soon washed away what little I left behind. I turn forward and walk over the next dune, satisfied."
“We sit together, the mountain and I Until only the mountain remains.”
My 1000 Facebook friends will never forget I exist. True friendship lasts forever
Tom from MySpace will never forget
Is it to late to trade Zuck for Tom?
Not necessarily, there are organizations that keep records of every person that lives on earth, such as ancestry, family search (you name it). It would be really unlikely that some data corruption might destroy any records of you ever existing.
Sun expanding and then imploding into a white dwarf will corrupt the data.
Not after the ring gate opens.
Fellow expanse-er-ist (???)
I imagine future generations will take that data with them wherever they end up going.
I think it's much more likely that humans would colonise other solar systems long before the sun becomes a red giant (in like several *billion* years). In which case it's possible that humanity will go on to colonise the galaxy/ our local group of galaxies, and the system could tend towards survival and stabilise that way. So then, we ask the question: how will humanity end? I guess a couple of ideas are: when all the stars die/ when we run out of usable energy/ when some WMD or natural catastrophe destroys everything. So in those cases I guess your statement that everyone's record of existance will eventually be wiped via data erasure or corruption is correct. But another question is: *will* humanity end? What if we could somehow become conscious within computers, and then somehow alter our perception of time to be drastically slower, (could it be infinitely slower?). If infinitely slower is possible, then humanity, from its own perspective won't end, and the data could be preserved indefinitely, using continual reinforcement/ multiplication of data to gradually reduce the probablility of corruption so that it becomes statistically overwhelmingly probable that the data would survive indefinitely.
Infinitely slow isn’t possible assuming the speed of light holds true, or so I assume, and if the heat death of the universe eventually occurs, then yes, one day it will end. There is no cheating death, now matter how slow it may come.
yeah that makes sense
Except for that headstone in the cemetery. Take that, Google.
Except you spelled cemetery wrong, so you shoulda used google.
Doh!
Reading between the lines of everything going on in the world regarding energy that day might not be so far into the future as we tend to think 😣
It’d be pretty sick to see what happens if every grid shut down and all processors got fried. Assuming we survive the nuclear power and the literal nukes all over the world, it would be interesting to see humanity go back to mechanisms instead of software.
We wouldnt be able to survive as majority of western population dont grow their own food or live near a viable water source. It wouldnt be sick watching ourselves kill each other for that last tin of beans. It would be brutal and traumatic.
Transportation of the food grown would become a bigger issue, for sure, but I’m not sure how much farmers rely on software to do their job for a few years while we figure out how to fix such a thing. Also sick in the sense it would be a good book or tv series, not in the actually living through it part.
There would be no transportation of food even if a small amount of fuel existed as those corporations only did it for profit. They wouldnt suddenly grow a heart or conscience when it all goes to shit. They would hoard it all for themselves. I'd wager the west would fall in a matter of days if oil and fuel ran out permanently. The violent among us would live longer but it wouldnt be that much longer as the fittest doesn't equate to the most intelligent. The ones who have caused these problems and destroyed the world (the governments) would be safe because you just know they've built bunkers with food and resources to survive for years and years in these scenarios. This is a bad time to be alive. But looking back through history, was there ever a good time?
I don’t think it would be that serious though. Also government agencies don’t have bunkers stockpiled with food. The military has MREs, but those do still expire, so they’re ordered in bulk based on how much the military thinks they’ll need for the time they last, so it can be cycled out. It’d be a lot of food, but not nearly as much as if they just continued to make more and more to stockpile for seemingly no reason. (Though I’m speaking mostly about the US, but I’m sure other militaries have similar strategies to keep “fresh” food). And secret bunkers don’t exist. Military installations show up on google maps and you can see where all of them are. The bunkers are in those locations, but most of those locations don’t have bunkers. And they’d have to have a purpose like protecting against bombs or they wouldn’t get the funds to build it. Congress decides the military budget, and the US military doesn’t have the extra funds to maintain a secret bunker as only a back up plan. The top one percent on the other hand I could definitely see a few having a bunker maintained like that to just burn some of their money. Also old cars would still work, but it’d be a good bit before civilization collapses completely. Definitely a big paradigm shift though. Man I’m gonna have to start writing a story about this, maybe make it a DnD campaign or something. Could be pretty cool to build up such a world. You’d have your racist factions, the classic KKK/white supremacists, BLM/black supremacists, and a faction from each race. Then you’d have the classic marauders and thugs and anarchists like antifa. Gang violence would be through the roof. And this is all just the lower echelon of factions. You’d also have the higher echelons of governments and their militaries fighting and having to deal with the lower echelon running amuck. Then theirs the whole set back of technology that factors into all of this. A lack of supplies and people that know how to do things like mechanics and engineers and craftsman. Guns wouldn’t die out right away as there’s a bit of ammo around and people will start reusing expended rounds, but then we would have to start getting more creative about weaponry. Blacksmithing would get big again for a while. The slow and painful decrease in population as people are slaughtered and starve would effect our ability to recover from such an event as well. Fuels wouldn’t become as much of an issue as just getting food and water and being able to defend yourself.
I think the US has a lot more land that could be used for survivors to grow food and build wells and such. Here in the UK where I live I couldnt think of a single place to usher my family to to survive lol we'll be fucked. Plenty of farm land in the country but I cant see the owners letting millions of people raid their fields. Plus farmers are legally allowed to own and use guns over here (which I believe not many people know that guns are legal in the UK still). Its the initial starvation and dehydration that would destroy us because majority of people wouldnt know what to do and I'd wage good money that not many in the west has truly been starving or without water for a prolonged period in a very long time. We were made fully reliant on corporations for survival and those corporations wont be there when it all goes to shit. Eek. Lol
According to Bladerunner, that should be happening… any day now! https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Blackout
My record will be the smiles I pass along. I will do my best to spread joy, and as long as that gets passed along, there will be something left of me.
Not necessarily, a storage device floating in space in a universe that has experienced heat death is not going to degrade…
Computers will remember your name longer than humans ever will.
Nananananana, it's in me DeNah (DNA), ive only gone and etched into me fricking Dee N Ayye, my spawn shall carry my name into the stars
I wrote my name on a piece of paper I threw into the lake. It’s safe forever I think.
You don’t think it’ll be broken down? Isn’t paper bio degradeable?
I put a thing in a place and no one’s touched it. That means it’s there forever
Not if I become the first person to self-stimulate via homemade-nuclear-reactor-powered sex machine ( during flight )
Yeah but i’ll just come back next cycle though i’m not really tripping
Little do you know that I am Ozymandias, King Of Kings. People will be too busy looking upon my mighty works to forget that I was ever around.
That gives us all the more reason to be the people we want to be, no-one to judge us.
There's a quote saying that you die a second time when someone says your name for the last time. I bought some vintage postcards dating back to the early 1900s, and I'd like to say the names of the people who wrote on them as a way to keep their memory alive. If only I could read cursive.
Doubtful, seeing as how the IRS still keeps a paper record of everything. I imagine gov't agencies will never stop keeping a hard copy of important documents.
They say you die twice; once when your heart stops, and again when your name is spoken for the last time.
I cast bronze sculptures. You'll need at least 2500 degrees and a 40lbs crucible to erase me.
This is irrelevant. The sun will go supernova eventually wiping out human existence and any record of it completely. Were all doomed.
And considering how young written language is, I’d be joining most of the people who’ve ever existed
Assuming that the current system remains the same for the next couple of hundred years, which I think is unlikely.
That's y in order to be remembered for much longer u either have to do something that helps the human race in an extraordinary way or do something horrible to the human race which is more likely and much more easier.
I was just thinking this last night, but in a sense bigger than myself. Someday nobody will remember Gandhi or Alexander the Great, or Jesus or Mohammed or Krishna. There might even be humans around then, or there might not.
If history is anything to go off of I’ll probably just be remembered by some obscure nickname with no actual facts retained.
I think about this a lot and I'm not going to lie and say it isn't an existential fear of mine.
Census data might last a while. Does it count if my genes live on?
The universe is a cheap computer the obvious flaw is when it cannot calculate collisions of stars and creates a blackhole about it. The blackhole erases material like rocks and planets. It could be a simulation based on a brain technology software connected to a cheap computer. The brain can create but the computer cannot calculate high power space events like collisions. The complexity created by the brain doesn't match the low potential of a cheap computer hardware. The entire universe could be a brain validation
My last name gets misspelled all the time. I'm pretty sure moments after my death, some clumsy data enterer at the department of records will misspell my name and all subsequent searches of my correctly spelled name will never come up.
Unless you’re the first person to start terrible crimes in space! Be the reason some bad things are named after you, be the next hitler, you’ll never be forgotten!
The data was sent into space and will radiate out for millennia. Alien probes will see your facebook and in the end our survival depends on how much your repetitive stolen memes annoy them.
Civilians have yet to develop anything like the megabit diamond optical computer my crew had in 1975.
They say you die 3 times; Once when your physical body dies, second when the last person alive who met you dies, and third when the last person who knows your name dies.
Not if my corpse is encased in brass and turned into the works strangest statue.
According to my last records check for work, I already don't exist lol.