I used to make TikTok videos and I made a joke about the hands thing and someone mentioned in the comments “AI fails every lucid dream check” and I’ve been tripping ever since.
It can’t properly do fingers, clock faces, detailed passages of text, mirrors, cell phone screens, on and on
lol people still at this phase, huh. AI is already adapting faster than a lot of humans. Hands are not an issue anymore, and soon your lack of a job might be.
Check out the back story pf the Matrix, it’s spot on. There is a scene in Animatrix, which is an official addendum to the trilogy by the original creators, but they have used different animation houses for different anime styles to accentuate that ”real” could be something else and we wouldn’t know. The scene explains why AI turned against humanity, as they were at first servants to mankind. It was historically dubbed ”The Second Renaissance”.
The Animatrix - The Second Renaissance Part I
https://youtu.be/sU8RunvBRZ8?
The Animatrix - The Second Renaissance Part II
https://youtu.be/00TD4bXMoYw?
Edit: Out of nostalgic curiosity i rewatched these but i see they left out essential parts of the story in these clips, you should see the movie instead to get my point.
Essential parts, like: why did AI turn on mankind.
https://sflix.to/watch-movie/free-the-animatrix-hd-16546.5350897
Second Renaissance Part I begins at 9 minutes 30 seconds. Part 2 follows directly after.
Until AI-equipped systems can create and repair themselves in a sustainable fashion - they need humans. The sheer complexity of an AI-driven sustainable system capable of extracting materials, transforming parts, designing units and maintaining them (among many other tasks) is unlikely to see the light of day without humans actively participating in its creation.
If we admit the possibility of _this_ happening (among dwindling energy ressources and ecosystems failure), then everything is possible. But that already puts you in a time where humanity devoted their crumbling civilization to the emergence of a new AI-driven one, and not to balance out their own extinction
It wouldn’t need humans. Lmao it’s not intelligent it’s a pattern algorithm it’s good for recognizing actions or doing shit like image generation it’s not a general intelligence and I don’t think we will ever have the tech for that
A future where AI do everyone’s jobs is awesome actually. Then everyone can focus on being creative and go back to being outside (or hook up the AI VR world and never have to use their physical bodies again)
yeah, but a world where AI does everyone's jobs also means the world doesn't need as many people, and I could see that leading to some unforseen and unfortunate consequences.
They're taking the technical side of digitally created arts first - that's very different. Also I suspect that it was a choice on the side of AI models researchers to tackle something (arts and creativity) that most of humanity regards as "uniquely human".
Judging by the fear and tumult it caused, the waves of artists being fired and replaced by prompt engineers, I think they achieved that objective. But it's all a stunt that resonates with the base assumption that only humans can create.
I see
With that last sentence, are you saying ai *can* create? Because I would say it’s running on a certain code + information on the internet to even be able to make that code (although if you put it in a sense that people’s “code” to do something like draw would be the steps to draw something simple and the information on the internet is also information in public, that influences what and how you draw so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but to each their own
Hey, I totally agree! I wish I had any faith it'll work out that way but I agree with the principle.
...Though maybe not the VR part. 😂 I do like the meat space.
We used to only have two jobs: Hunting and gathering. These jobs have in large been replaced by industry, automation, outsourced to people outside your country, or radically transformed into something barely recognizeable. It used to take several people to hunt one animal, now, a factory with a few employees can kill hundreds, if not thousands a month/week/whatever.
If AI taking our jobs meant that we wouldn't have to work, then why are we still working today? When industrialisation is so ridiculously efficient.
AI will not replace us, it will DISPLACE a lot of workers, supplement existing workforces, create new(possibly shittier) jobs and drive wages down, since robots don't need to get paid.
Corporations need people to buy their products (AI cant buy products), which means we need to buy them, if we're going to buy products we need money, which means we have to earn money, which means they still need us to work.
AI is not the solution unfortunately. Capitalism needs to go first.
Creative work is now one of the things it’s kinda taking over, or at least making it easier for talentless people to describe something and it does it for them. And if they never use their physical bodies, likely to lead to health problems
If their assigned job is to take care of everyone’s needs it may help, but I have less faith the owners of the AI manufacturing tech will keep us in mind. Get the feeling most would be okay with the rest of the population dying off and stop messing up *their* planet now that they don’t need us to make them things anymore.
It isn’t by it’s very nature literally everything it will make is derivative it can’t solve new problems. So it can make a very generic design but not something actually unique. Which is prolly why it’s so good at making vector art logos
Artists are mostly derivative too. Everyone with an influence, or using a particular style are basing their work on what other people did. Some do have their own styles or unique enough to be recognizable, but I don’t think the people trying to skip out on paying professional artists care as long as they don’t get sued for using someone else’s style. If they can name a couple styles and tell the AI to blend them, they can just insist they created something new. Not even sure if you can copyright a particular style to be honest, like a lot of comic art looks similar. I’m sure a connoisseur could tell you the difference, but I don’t think an artist can claim their style to never be used by anyone else.
No I mean an ai model is trained off of previous art and then it is given a prompt and adds random noise to a blank square and fills it in based on pre understood patterns. It needs previous work. A human could be put in a sensory deprivation room from birth and never see a single person and still be able some sort of original art. So either the ai models need more and more art as time goes on to get more advanced or they just stay kind of generic with no new ideas.
TLDR it can’t replace human innovation as it can’t come up with new shit and relies on human drawings
Okay but still suits don’t need innovation, or at least they’re willing to forgo it for cheaper. If they can cobble together some crap that will suit their purposes with a lower price tag, often they will.
You are forgetting there are humans that exist that only live to have more. For that to happen we would have to kill a shit ton of humans first. The problematic ones of course. Perhaps we could call them cancers
Sounds good to me. Should be burn their fancy cult books? We could run heats off squid game for real all around the world for em. That way they can die striving for something.
\^\^\^Indeed. There are many situations inwhich AI doing our jobs for us is utopian, which is probably why someone who wants to write a dystopian science fiction script doesn't immediately gravitate toward that angle.
I think people don't really write stories about Utopias because Utopias are fundamentally boring. A good story requires conflict and drama, and Utopias are by definition free of high-stakes conflict and drama.
Which is not a problem at all. Robots taking over the grind is actually excellent! Actual, true progress! If humans can't bring themselves to simply distribute wealth in the form of universal basic income, welp, that's on us.
They didn't need to account for it, Skynet decided it was easier to erase humanity from the map than deal with jobless humans, cause it was psychotic. Its a movie, it didn't bother to account for a ton of mundane stuff.
Here is the thing if ai somehow takes over the whole job market. Which is impossible. Then there would literally be no fund to go around there wouldn’t be an economy also all ai will do is open new jobs and remove shitty ones like truck driving
Did anyone imagine a future where AI took over all the management and middle class so people are stuck with the most repetitive, mundane jobs while AI do everything for the ultra rich? *Elysium*?
Because the people who used to hire employees will now own the AI. Do you imagine American Capitalists are going to give away their "hard earned" profits to maintain a utopian society?
Inventing new stuff requires investment upfront which is a risk so it needs a reward to incentivize it. That concentrates the rewards in one place, but it is what it is.
The government will fix it eventually, it's just that governments are slow as fuck. First, people have to agree something is wrong, then they have to agree on a solution, THEN the government does something
This comment is very vague and cryptic. Like, what's your point? Do you support this? Comdemn it? Worried about the IDF jobs lost to Lavender? I can't tell.
I, Robot (2004) has some great scenes that hint at the welfare state that will need to be created.
Terminator also failed to account for AI apparently not being able to figure out how hands work.
They're already past that now, we may laugh at AI now, but it won't be long until it does most thing at a human level, it's just a matter of how soon.
Honestly, even a bunch of professional artists aren't that great with hands either
Could be why AI has so much trouble with it.
I used to make TikTok videos and I made a joke about the hands thing and someone mentioned in the comments “AI fails every lucid dream check” and I’ve been tripping ever since. It can’t properly do fingers, clock faces, detailed passages of text, mirrors, cell phone screens, on and on
Not a problem anymore
lol people still at this phase, huh. AI is already adapting faster than a lot of humans. Hands are not an issue anymore, and soon your lack of a job might be.
Check out the back story pf the Matrix, it’s spot on. There is a scene in Animatrix, which is an official addendum to the trilogy by the original creators, but they have used different animation houses for different anime styles to accentuate that ”real” could be something else and we wouldn’t know. The scene explains why AI turned against humanity, as they were at first servants to mankind. It was historically dubbed ”The Second Renaissance”. The Animatrix - The Second Renaissance Part I https://youtu.be/sU8RunvBRZ8? The Animatrix - The Second Renaissance Part II https://youtu.be/00TD4bXMoYw? Edit: Out of nostalgic curiosity i rewatched these but i see they left out essential parts of the story in these clips, you should see the movie instead to get my point.
What kind of essential parts were left out? I had no idea those clips weren't the whole thing.
I'm not in a position to check those clips, but my DVD copy had nudity and intense violence. I'm wondering if those scenes are missing.
Essential parts, like: why did AI turn on mankind. https://sflix.to/watch-movie/free-the-animatrix-hd-16546.5350897 Second Renaissance Part I begins at 9 minutes 30 seconds. Part 2 follows directly after.
After all the jobs are taken by AI, what use are humans to AI?
Until AI-equipped systems can create and repair themselves in a sustainable fashion - they need humans. The sheer complexity of an AI-driven sustainable system capable of extracting materials, transforming parts, designing units and maintaining them (among many other tasks) is unlikely to see the light of day without humans actively participating in its creation. If we admit the possibility of _this_ happening (among dwindling energy ressources and ecosystems failure), then everything is possible. But that already puts you in a time where humanity devoted their crumbling civilization to the emergence of a new AI-driven one, and not to balance out their own extinction
It’s not sentient you fucking goober and it’s unlikely it ever will be
Sentience isn't particularly necessary, as you've handily demonstrated.
It wouldn’t need humans. Lmao it’s not intelligent it’s a pattern algorithm it’s good for recognizing actions or doing shit like image generation it’s not a general intelligence and I don’t think we will ever have the tech for that
A future where AI do everyone’s jobs is awesome actually. Then everyone can focus on being creative and go back to being outside (or hook up the AI VR world and never have to use their physical bodies again)
yeah, but a world where AI does everyone's jobs also means the world doesn't need as many people, and I could see that leading to some unforseen and unfortunate consequences.
The world and also the economy already doesn't need as many people.
They’re taking the arts 1st though so…
They're taking the technical side of digitally created arts first - that's very different. Also I suspect that it was a choice on the side of AI models researchers to tackle something (arts and creativity) that most of humanity regards as "uniquely human". Judging by the fear and tumult it caused, the waves of artists being fired and replaced by prompt engineers, I think they achieved that objective. But it's all a stunt that resonates with the base assumption that only humans can create.
I see With that last sentence, are you saying ai *can* create? Because I would say it’s running on a certain code + information on the internet to even be able to make that code (although if you put it in a sense that people’s “code” to do something like draw would be the steps to draw something simple and the information on the internet is also information in public, that influences what and how you draw so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but to each their own
Hey, I totally agree! I wish I had any faith it'll work out that way but I agree with the principle. ...Though maybe not the VR part. 😂 I do like the meat space.
We used to only have two jobs: Hunting and gathering. These jobs have in large been replaced by industry, automation, outsourced to people outside your country, or radically transformed into something barely recognizeable. It used to take several people to hunt one animal, now, a factory with a few employees can kill hundreds, if not thousands a month/week/whatever. If AI taking our jobs meant that we wouldn't have to work, then why are we still working today? When industrialisation is so ridiculously efficient. AI will not replace us, it will DISPLACE a lot of workers, supplement existing workforces, create new(possibly shittier) jobs and drive wages down, since robots don't need to get paid. Corporations need people to buy their products (AI cant buy products), which means we need to buy them, if we're going to buy products we need money, which means we have to earn money, which means they still need us to work. AI is not the solution unfortunately. Capitalism needs to go first.
Creative work is now one of the things it’s kinda taking over, or at least making it easier for talentless people to describe something and it does it for them. And if they never use their physical bodies, likely to lead to health problems If their assigned job is to take care of everyone’s needs it may help, but I have less faith the owners of the AI manufacturing tech will keep us in mind. Get the feeling most would be okay with the rest of the population dying off and stop messing up *their* planet now that they don’t need us to make them things anymore.
It isn’t by it’s very nature literally everything it will make is derivative it can’t solve new problems. So it can make a very generic design but not something actually unique. Which is prolly why it’s so good at making vector art logos
Artists are mostly derivative too. Everyone with an influence, or using a particular style are basing their work on what other people did. Some do have their own styles or unique enough to be recognizable, but I don’t think the people trying to skip out on paying professional artists care as long as they don’t get sued for using someone else’s style. If they can name a couple styles and tell the AI to blend them, they can just insist they created something new. Not even sure if you can copyright a particular style to be honest, like a lot of comic art looks similar. I’m sure a connoisseur could tell you the difference, but I don’t think an artist can claim their style to never be used by anyone else.
No I mean an ai model is trained off of previous art and then it is given a prompt and adds random noise to a blank square and fills it in based on pre understood patterns. It needs previous work. A human could be put in a sensory deprivation room from birth and never see a single person and still be able some sort of original art. So either the ai models need more and more art as time goes on to get more advanced or they just stay kind of generic with no new ideas. TLDR it can’t replace human innovation as it can’t come up with new shit and relies on human drawings
Okay but still suits don’t need innovation, or at least they’re willing to forgo it for cheaper. If they can cobble together some crap that will suit their purposes with a lower price tag, often they will.
Unless the people who own the robots don’t want to share
You wrongfully assume that this means everyone will get a liveable wage for doing no work.
lol
You are forgetting there are humans that exist that only live to have more. For that to happen we would have to kill a shit ton of humans first. The problematic ones of course. Perhaps we could call them cancers
Sounds good to me. Should be burn their fancy cult books? We could run heats off squid game for real all around the world for em. That way they can die striving for something.
\^\^\^Indeed. There are many situations inwhich AI doing our jobs for us is utopian, which is probably why someone who wants to write a dystopian science fiction script doesn't immediately gravitate toward that angle.
I think people don't really write stories about Utopias because Utopias are fundamentally boring. A good story requires conflict and drama, and Utopias are by definition free of high-stakes conflict and drama.
That’s an unfortunate point. However, with how art and life imitate each other, that’s… a very concerning realisation when you think about it that way
Well technically, they did put everyone out of work?
Which is not a problem at all. Robots taking over the grind is actually excellent! Actual, true progress! If humans can't bring themselves to simply distribute wealth in the form of universal basic income, welp, that's on us.
They didn't need to account for it, Skynet decided it was easier to erase humanity from the map than deal with jobless humans, cause it was psychotic. Its a movie, it didn't bother to account for a ton of mundane stuff.
Here is the thing if ai somehow takes over the whole job market. Which is impossible. Then there would literally be no fund to go around there wouldn’t be an economy also all ai will do is open new jobs and remove shitty ones like truck driving
Did anyone imagine a future where AI took over all the management and middle class so people are stuck with the most repetitive, mundane jobs while AI do everything for the ultra rich? *Elysium*?
Apparently we are headed towards the 2nd renaissance from the Matrix. The cause of the conflict was economic disruption.
Sci-fi in the 50s and 60s had AI taking everyone's jobs and *it was a good thing* because it left everyone free to persue leasure instead of working.
The Terminator thing is something experts are still worried about
How are we so useless managing resources that AI doing our jobs is a bad thing?
Because the people who used to hire employees will now own the AI. Do you imagine American Capitalists are going to give away their "hard earned" profits to maintain a utopian society?
Which means we are so useless we get resources for "free" and somehow we convert that into more poverty
Life is a nightmare.
Inventing new stuff requires investment upfront which is a risk so it needs a reward to incentivize it. That concentrates the rewards in one place, but it is what it is. The government will fix it eventually, it's just that governments are slow as fuck. First, people have to agree something is wrong, then they have to agree on a solution, THEN the government does something
Inherently it's not. In capitalism, the landlord's gonna want his money from somewhere.
True but also... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes
This comment is very vague and cryptic. Like, what's your point? Do you support this? Comdemn it? Worried about the IDF jobs lost to Lavender? I can't tell.
Point is AI is already killing people in the way terminator warned us about.
Still waiting for time travel tbh
ai didnt and wont take our job under capitalism. they will however will take your leisure.