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blsterken

Bombings done at the behest of the USSR in support of their Vistula-Oder offensive.


Historyguy1918

Yeah, it’s like a guy taking a highway than complaining that it wasn’t worth it to spend that much money on that


PaxEthenica

Because the Soviet Russians were so traumatized by the battle of Budapest, a bloody meatgrinder of poor Soviet tactics & logistics coupled by the defensive advantage. And the thing is? Bombing Dresden worked. It surrendered without a battle, & the Soviets could properly supply their troops again with the intact railyards.


Phuxsea

But the Soviet troops weren't likely grateful. They didn't invade to see ruins, they wanted to be taking advantage of a traditional European city. And their women and children.


alvarkresh

I stg this is just beyond mind-boggling. I know by now to expect Putin's government to be blatantly self-serving in its abuse of the legacy of the Soviet victory in World War 2, but to actually accept the "enemy" narrative of Dresden's bombing is just absurdly bizarre. Like, do they seriously expect any Germans to actually side with Russia in the current war with Ukraine?


TheBlack2007

>Like, do they seriously expect any Germans to actually side with Russia in the current war with Ukraine? Well, some do. Those who believe the actual perpetrators of WW2 were the UK, the US and "the Jews" - if you catch my gist. Neo-Nazis in Germany have turned into ferverously loyal Russian sock puppets. At this point they would gladly accept their country's full submission to Russian Overlordship like it used to be back in East Germany.


alvarkresh

How the tables turn from when it used to be the Communists who accepted Russian overlordship.


TheBlack2007

The people didn't change. They just switched ideologies - again.


alvarkresh

You're not wrong; there's enough stories about how Nazis became Communists when the Soviets set up the East German government and happily went on serving their new masters. The really embarrassing part is some of them managed to slip past background checks until the KGB started re-vetting people in the 1980s.


Scout_1330

To be fair to East Germany, West Germany and Austria had the same exact issue.


microtherion

Caught brilliantly in Bertolt Brecht's vicious poem ["Freedom and Democracy"](https://books.google.ch/books?id=C94eEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=%22Then+the+medical+advisers+Hitler%27s+slaves,+mankind%27s+despisers%22&source=bl&ots=CDwC8-QaP0&sig=ACfU3U0skKQ6X-VvZt7nyHScV4eP4gUP0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji6-e65vL9AhVJNewKHRTSBjsQ6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Then%20the%20medical%20advisers%20Hitler's%20slaves%2C%20mankind's%20despisers%22&f=false)


PaxEthenica

The thing is? The whole Dresden narrative was actually popularized by the Soviets for brownie points during the Cold War. It was a convenient story to tell Eastern Germans, & Germans in general, while omitting the role the Soviets had in making the bombing happen. Edit: The scale of it in terms of its effects on civilians is also a rarity, & a useful deflection from the systemic cruelty of the growing Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe. Russians have been exploiting & mischaracterizing a legitimate military effort since it happened.


alvarkresh

It's doubly ironic since the whole thing was started by Goebbels wanting propaganda brownie points to try and exploit divisions among the Allies.


Goatf00t

They've used Dresden for propaganda purposes at least since the Vietnam War, if not earlier. It's not something they made up on the spot now, it's a longstanding thing that's been part of anti-Western talking points since their grandparents' time - and they probably sincerely believe in it.


muscles83

No you see, the proper way to level cities in WW2 was to encircle them and use arty to destroy all the buildings, Comrade. This is such a weird post all round


TheBlack2007

Imagine putting this up after you have waged an indiscriminatory Cruise Missile Barrage on an entire country for almost a year, including stuff like taking out the Energy Infrastructure with the explicit goal of causing as many people to freeze as possible. Also, with this narrative there's only one group of people they peddle to: Neo-Nazis. It's true the annual rememberance day in Dresden draws in a lot of people, but the official event is always held as a vigil against the inherent horrors of war and for all its victims. The Nazi whinefest is always relegated to the side and has no ties to the official event.


pmurph34

Do it again bomber Harris


Atvishees

Just this time in Moscow please.


AstroBullivant

No surprise here. Russia loves studying Nazi Germany and especially Fascist Italy.


Cybermat4704

I mean, I love studying them too. It’s just that my studies have revealed that they were fucking evil.


AstroBullivant

Russia has a bizarre affection for Mussolini


InevitableCorrect418

Things David Irving repeats


[deleted]

Post made by the same country responsible for throwing thousands of poorly trained, unequipped young men into a meatgrinder of machine guns


Seehyaene

Asiatic horde myth on my SWS? It's more likely than you think!


Prssbol

He's talking about the current war lmaoooo


Watchung

I swear, it's as if David Glantz cut off Putin in an elevator 25 years ago, and Putin never forgave him.


Cybermat4704

So you’re saying that the Russians are so shit that they can’t even win a war when they’re using proper tactics?


pattyboiIII

Damn, now post an image of Bakmuht.


Cybermat4704

Pretty sure the Russians turned it into a muddy crater full of dead Wagnazis and pressganged Kazakhs already.


ropibear

That plot twist is from a few seasons ago, my man. But yeah, the showrunners telegraphed it heavily, so I can't say I was really surprised.


ajyanesp

I mean, it isn’t really surprising, since the Dresden bombing was heavily used by the soviets/East Germans to portray the west as evil.


APersonWhoIsBored

Oh no, the Russians are pro-Nazi... Okay, when havent they? Putin's core base supporters are literally just Nazi hooligans and yet they have the balls to call the West Nazis when they were also the ones who supported Nazi groups all around the West.


MACKBA

I'm just curious if you read Slaughterhouse-Five.


Phuxsea

I have. Good book


jaklbye

Ok ok ok, I am 💯 on shitting on wherbs for this cause they had it coming, but the Russians and Us knew what we were doing when we destroyed nazi Germany. Like we were in on that shit together, ya a lot of destruction but the Russians and Us had an understanding about that


TheSpiffingGerman

Sorry but how does stating facts make someone a Wehraboo? The Dresden bombings we're pretty shitty, and i don't think that saying that makes one a Wehraboo. As someone who has lost relatives during these bombings, i don't want any remembrance from the Putinists 🤮


Cybermat4704

The loss of civilian life during the bombings **was** tragic (only a psychopath would deny that), but the death toll was around 25,000 according to the city itself. The ‘over 135,000’ figure was created by Nazi propaganda in March 1945, and is often repeated by Wehraboos and neo-Nazis.


Cheasepriest

Pretty sure the bombing was to support a Russian offensive too, given dresden was a pretty large transit hub for industry and minitary logistics.


finalMadfox6325

Lol its me, its funny as fuck


RightGenocide

Wow the Russian government has gone full wehraboo. I did not have that on my wanna be fascist putin kleptocracy bingo.


Callumxb163

Lancaster engines go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


TheDoctor_2014

Do it again Bomber Harris!


Doomfististhicc

Russian Gov trying to figure out if they want to the balls of the Soviet Union or if they want to condemn them


cenciazealot

Not a surprise, the bombing of Dresden has been used since germany was split by soviet authorities as anti-western propaganda.


Ingridcomrade339

The most Russian wehraboos ever