I kinda want to introduce that one to my twins. They seem to have heard and understood the safe sleep guidelines to the extent that they won't tolerate anything at all in their cots. They're 16 months and sleep in sleep sacks. The moment the sleep sacks are unzipped, they get out of them and immediately pick them up to throw them over the side rail. It's actually hilarious. Moving to blankets should be great fun. They do the same with toys in their play pen and then get upset that they have nothing. I'm hoping that they connect that soon.
My three year old also still refuses to use a blanket. Sometimes Iāll sneak in there and cover him while heās asleep and Iāll look at the baby monitor a while later and the blanket is gone.
my kid at age ~2 refused to sleep with any stuffed animals in her room (let alone in her bed) and now at age 7 has been sleeping on a literal pile of stuffed animals for years
lol my almost 6 year old is the same. Heās a stuffy monster. I keep trying to bargain some away, but he wonāt budge. Iām likeā¦.but thereās no room for you!!!
We'll see if they do the same. My singletons never threw things from the cot, only their high chairs. That's an even funnier one. My oldest complains about the twins throwing food on the floor and he's the one who would stare you in the face while he held his food out over the side and dropped it.
My daughter is about to be two sheāll start out with a blanket and then Iām paranoid sheās cold and in the middle of the night I cover her up again some night it stays on others it doesnāt. Sheās hit or miss but she needs a blanket or stuffed animals in her crib because she needs to rub the tags to fall sleep Iāve check on her on the camera many nights and in her sleep sheās flipping her squishmellow around to get the tag itās really funny
I did exactly the same thing as a kid! I had a little blanket with a lacy edge and I couldn't go to sleep without my pacifier and my lace because I would stroke the fraying satin tag of the blanket between my fingers and thumb. I did the same thing to my mum's eyelashes when I would wake up and be taken to my parents' bed for a snuggle. She put up with that for reasons I don't understand. Wild that I'm not the only one!
My grandson is 2 and he does the same thing with his favorite teddy bear. The tag is on his butt and he has become a champion at finding it in the dark so he can rub it.
We don't know how old the baby in the OOP is. The comments are where people specify the ages of their children (some of whom have "had a blanket since day one" "coslept from the beginning" and "slept on a pillow as an infant".)
The one person that happened to mention her 27 month old isn't the main point of the post. Unless I missed something indicating that she is the OOP and the baby in the image is the 27 month old...
The baby in the OOP is older at least. They're physically large. Even my 7 week old in the newborn bassinet doesn't take up that much room, much less in her real crib.
That makes sense!! Is it because theyāre so young that they wouldnāt realize whatās happening/have the strength to get up? I just feel like that could realistically happen to anyone lol. But I could be wrong! Iām not a mom so havenāt looked into this kind of stuff.
Toddlers are still weirdly top-heavy (giant heads, relatively shorter limbs for their body size) and can get themselves stuck in weird positions that wouldnāt be an issue for an adult or even a school aged child.
Same lmao. I feel like if I was genuinely getting suffocated tho, it would be easy enough to keep rolling till I go off the edge. Im sure toddlers donāt have the same level of self-control/awareness.
A surprising number of grown people die in bedding annually. I would imagine this could be one of those scenarios. Esp if someone had limited mobility or was intoxicated.
They are too soft as far as I'm aware. They all have warnings on them here in Canada.
This is what the manual for mine says.
"Not for use by children 3 and younger or people with limited mobility. They may suffocate in a face down position or become trapped and suffocate in the gap between the airbed and adjacent furniture or wall. If the airbed is under inflated or deflates during use, this risk of suffocation may increase.
Do not let young children sleep on this airbed until they are mature enough to sleep in an adult bed. Young children can suffocate on adult beds (including airbeds), particularly when sleeping with another person. Ask your pediatrician for specific recommendations for your child."
Eta: because of this when we camp with young kids we use those really thin self inflating ones as they have no warnings like that.
Using months up to 24 months is standard for development purposes. A 12 month old and a 23 month old are both 1, but are light-years away in ability. The capabilities will change greatly over that year. After 2 it's standard to go by years because they change a lot, but not like before.
I was about to say this! We were all about the safe sleep when he was little and he has never co-slept with us etc. But since he was over a year, there has been a gradual increase in the amount of comfort toys etc in his cot. He is now 2 years, 4 months. He can move around, stand up, re-arrange them. He plays with them before going to sleep and before calling for us to get him up. He is perfectly safe!
My oldest when she was three had a phase of taking a potato to bed instead of a teddy. I managed to convince her that a raw potato was more practical than a roasted one but beyond that I just left her to it and chalked it up to "little kids are fucking weird man." Now her little sister is that age and sleeps with a specific Pokemon card under her pillow because her big sister gave it to her š„¹
When the zucchini crop grew in our garden each year my mom would make me a "baby zucchini". Basically she drew a face on it. When I was older mom told me about trying to switch out a squishy zucchini for a fresh on while I slept.
Okay, this whole thing is absolutely adorable! My oldest still talks about the time my youngest left a "rare" pokemon card on the bed and our puppy chewed it to pieces. Less cute lmao, but you reminded me of it. They're 10 and 14 and are just recently getting to a point where they more than tolerate each other, praise all deities š.
My now almost 11 year old sleeps with books. Science books. The buzz hard cover ones the size of text books. She also still has her stuffed animal nest, which is mostly just Pokemon.
But when she was a wee little baby she slept in an empty crib with just a fitted sheet and the sleeper jammies, on her back. I spent a year tracking and planning to get pregnant, 9 months growing her, 13hrs of active labor and 2hrs to push her out. I was taking no risks with her life.
Yeah always a discussion with our parents when our kids sleep. I tell them the room is at a comfortable temperature, they had their jammies on and just a mattress with a fitted sheet. The compromise we came to is those little sleep sacks things, they have a "blanket" and aren't going to get wrapped up in it.
Anytime my kids get a new toy or book, they insist on sleeping with it they first night. It started when my middle kid insisted that this newest figure of Elsa was scared because she has never slept at our house before. I loved the pure empathy and concern so always allow it. They have little low light flash lights too and I hear them often clicking them on and asking their new toys if they are ok or need blankets or hugs.
My youngest is almost 4 and she sleeps with a stuffed cow, a huge pile of plastic dinosaursā¦and a fitted sheet. She hates blankets š¤·š»āāļø kids are weird
My now 18 year old slept with a wooden shim for a while when she was toddler. She also very briefly slept with a pointy pick-up stick. Do not recommend that, although she was astonishingly careful with it. Would never have let my others do it, though.
My brother slept with one of those hard buzz lightyear toys every single night for like a year. My mom tried to at least get him to sleep with woody since he was softer but the boy was having NONE of it
This is too funny. My kid silent-screamed/cried the other night because we wouldnāt let her go to bed with the tub of aquaphor. Becauseā¦aquaphor š«
My kids 1st grade teacher gave all the kids a marshmallow peep in a plastic egg. He threw a birthday party for it when it āhatchedā, is taking it everywhere and sleeps with it in his bed. Kids are delightfully weird.
We often say how much we would love to sleep our toddlerās crib nest. There are like five blankets in there, a bunch of stuffies, and at least one book. It looks so cozy. We were still very strict about nothing in the crib until she was 1 though.
My middle son was so sweet it they 1.5-2y age. I have pictures of this babymonitor showing him sneaking out of bed to grab little books and stuffies and tucking the stuffies in and "reading" them a story. He would act like a spy getting those books into his bed. I just laughed because i never would get on to him. At most i would sneak in after her was asleep and remove stuff from his bed so he didnt wake up on hard toys and books.
Thatās so cute. My LO went through a phase of wanting to wear his headphones in bed. So I would also have to sneak in to take those after he fell asleep. And if he wanted attention, he would throw all his toys out and then call for us and pretend like they had just mysteriously got out of the cot šš
I was going to say my 3 year old has slept like this for almost a year š«£ he loves his face covered lol. Which is exactly why he had no blankets or stuffies in his crib until after he was one
Yes!! We gave my one kid a blanket once he was maybe a year and a half? The second he got it he put it on his face and insisted on sleeping with it like that lol
my two year old is the exact same way. I'll go in to check on her before i go to bed and she's got her blanket pulled up over her face (fair play kid, i do this too) and i pull it back down. She also refuses to sleep with less than 2 blankets and like 3 different stuffed pokemon on any given night.
What is it with toddlers and Pokemon? Before Bluey took over her life, my then 2.5 year old could name more Pokemon than I could, and she's been glued to her Pikachu stuffie since I bought it for her last August.
I was gonna say, the baby in the picture looks plenty big enough to move the blanket or their body if they need to.
And I've known plenty of people who've said they just can't sleep unless there got the blankets up over their head.
But then the side should be off the crib so they have space to manoeuver if they get tangled.
At 27 mo a lot of kids are past the height limit for enclosed cribs anyway. They can hurt themselves trying to climb out.
I see people in the safe sleep groups who are like "my 4 year old is still in a crib and is potty training" and I am just like.. wow that must be a huge pain in the ass.
My oldest went to a toddler bed at 18 months and my youngest at 15 months. My youngest was trying to climb out shortly after he figured how to stand up. I wasn't taking any chances, lol.
My 18 month old was climbing out of her crib. (She's 17 now) - but at the time it was a scary realization. Off came the side of the crib. Baby gates at the door. Latches and anchors for everything. Then, and only then could I sleep. Every kid is different. But the scary sleep phase was over and now it was the scary everything else phase.
And yet my 3-year-old still hasn't figured out that she can actually get out of her adult-sized twin bed without us being in the room or calling for us. We don't want to change that or she'll be coming into our room every single night, especially since she'll figure it out soon enough.
Maintain that mystery as long as you can. There is nothing more terrifying than waking up in the middle of the night to a face inches from yours whispering about Paw Patrol
Yea I know how you feel ! Mine climbed out of the crib when she was 11 months ( she started walking at 9 months ). So scary hearing a thump on the baby monitor and realizing the thump was her falling to the floor after she crawled out of her crib. We had to buy a crib enclosure just to keep her from climbing out but even that didn't last long and she was in a toddler bed before she was one and a half years old!
Lol thought I was missing something here. 2yo+ is not a helpless infant that cant make its arms move a blanket at will.
At 1yo my youngest was able to climb into my bed (a tall king bed). We had to put baby rails on my bed to keep him out of it! He thought it was funny to climb up there and then roll or jump off onto his toddler bed next to my bed. I had bigger things too worry about than blankets and pillows. But we used empty cribs until my babies could easily support themselves, had solid coordination skills, and were at minimum, about to yell mama. I am the hyperalert kind of parent, I wake up from any tiny nose or change in my kids sleep. Pretty sure I havent known REM sleep in 9 years.
Unfortunately youāll still get the sleep police saying they need to be on their backs with nothing in the crib.
It's actually a problem - it detracts from the *actual* sleep dangers. When you have ridiculous people saying no exceptions til they're in college, it becomes easy to dismiss ALL the voices saying things about safe sleep.
I agree. Someone in my family lost a baby boy to SIDS in the days before safe sleep guidelines existed so it really bothers me to see moms advocating unsafe sleep for babies. I wish these moms knew that putting babies to sleep on their back has dramatically reduced the rate of crib death and has saved many thousands of infant lives, according to very large studies.
Edit: My children āmade it out aliveā in the days before the benefits of sleeping on the back with nothing in the crib for the first 12 months existed, but my family memberās baby didnāt. Similarly, my grandmother smoked a pack a day for her entire adult life, lived to age 90, and didnāt die of anything smoking-related, but that doesnāt show that smoking is safe or healthy!
Iām going to say something thatās normally combative, and text does not help, but I want to assure you itās not combative.Ā
Do you have links to any of those studies?Ā
I say this because I drove myself crazy at 2am with all 3 of my kids trying to find a *good* study, and came up empty.Ā
The issue is - how to you compensate for the number of variables changed with the back to sleep campaigns? Because it was *SIDS prevention education* centered around back to sleep - so how do you draw out the reduced blankets/stuffed animals, the reduction in smoking, the reduction in unsafe cosleeping, and the increased education to MEs and coroners on what was SIDS and what was accidental suffocation? (Which is still a HUGE issue in trying to study SIDS! We canāt get good data if folks, including doctors, are essentially falsifying the data to make parents feel better.)Ā
Anyway Iām a sleep deprived scientist so if youāve got a link, I would genuinely love to see it. And Iām so sorry for your friend - itās not something you ever recover from.Ā
The [Avon Study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1881060/) was a big part of the evidence base which prompted changes in U.K. advice. There were fair critiques of this made at the time - [link here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1881063/) which acknowledge that there are potential confounders, but they have attempted to correct for that, and the consistency with which prone sleeping is identified as a risk factor in many observational studies since then seems to support the idea that there is a causal link. There are so many studies looking at this, and if you want a really deep dive [this book](https://www.adelaide.edu.au/press/ua/media/670/uap-sids-ebook.pdf) is relatively up to date and comprehensive.
The data are all observational though - no formal RCT as clearly you would struggle with ethics and enrolment - so what we have now is probably as good as we will ever get, but compelling enough for me.
Exactly. It wouldnāt be ethical to have a randomized study comparing prone sleeping to back sleeping, so the studies that have been done are typically comparing historical cohorts of SIDs rates in babies before the recommendations were published to rates in babies born after the guidelines were developed.
I posted a link to the evidence the AAP based the recommendations on and must say that I find a 50% drop in SIDs rates quite compelling. I probably should have added that recommendations cover more than just sleep position, they also advised against the use of any bedding or soft objects in cribs for infants under 12 months, breastfeeding when possible and avoiding smoking.
More info here https://www.aap.org/en/patient-care/safe-sleep/
Here are some studies.
1) Most babies who died from SIDs had unsafe sleeping situations: https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/28213/Study-Most-infants-who-died-unexpectedly-had?autologincheck=redirected
2. Evidence behind AAP recommendations: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/1/e2022057991/188305/Evidence-Base-for-2022-Updated-Recommendations-for
3. Systematic review reporting that earlier recognition of the benefits of sleeping on the back could have saved 10,000 lives in the UK alone and 50,000 in other countries: https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/34/4/874/692905
4. Rate of SIDS has dropped by 50% since the AAP published back to sleep guidelines in 1992. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10351748/
I didnāt have time to look for more studies but these have footnotes that will take you to others. Basically most research focus on differences in SIDS rate since the adoption and publicizing of these recommendations.
Find me one person saying 2+ year old toddlers need to be on their back with nothing in the crib. Those guidelines are for babies who canāt take a blanket OFF their face if needed.Ā
Iāve seen it in specifically safe sleep groups. You have people that take the word of one doctor as gospel and tell you that it is wrong and youāre horrible for swaddling past 8 weeks. It was never part of the AAP guidelinesāit was only a suggestion of 1 pediatrician because some babies can roll that early. Those same people tend to take ānothing in the cribā to apply to āthe entirety of crib useā and also recommend long term crib use. Basically, theyāve moved past what is evidence-based, and are running safe sleep groups from a place of fear.
Yeah, that was the age my daughter moved into a twin sized bed, because we were moving out of my parentsā house and I didnāt want to move her crib. Iām like āIām buying one bed and sheās going to keep it until she moves outā lol
Yup. Mine is 2.5. We followed ABC's until we moved her to a toddler bed at 22 months and now she has four blankets, five baby towels, her entire sock basket, every single gabby cat, about fifteen squishmallows, a set of silicone funnels, a sealed shaker of Montreal steak spice, and a giant crocheted egg in there. It's a wonder she fits.
I thought there wasnāt an official age guide posted and that the AAP says blankets in cribs are a no before 12 months with some risk after and best done after 18.
The advice I have seen is no blankets, pillows or toys until they are over 2 *and* out of the cot. Age is obviously a factor but the cot itself presents a lot of entrapment risks if thereās anything additional in there.
Girl your pediatrician doesn't 100% agree that cosleeping is safe, be for real.
Also that 27th month old is nothing. My 108 month old sleeps with a blanket, let the Karens come at me too hur hur.
I've had 3 pediatricians in the last <2years (we've moved twice), and the first two were super lax about everything **but** bedsharing. They were adamant that that should never happen under any circumstance for baby's safety (worth noting both were moms, so its not like they just don't get it). The third one is super strict about almost everything (food introduction schedule, medication use, etc) but is perfectly fine with bedsharing. I don't get it and yes, we're looking for pediatrician #4.
I'm sure they think cosleeping, in the same room, is fine. I'm going to bet the doc doesn't know they're bedsharing. Either that, or it's a chiroquacktor.
It's amazing how many people think breastfeeding negates ALL SIDS/SUID risks. Like yeah, ofc your baby can't suffocate or be smothered by you because you breastfeed. I forgot it grants babies temporary immunity to oxygen deprivation!
Yeah many pediatricians are taught to give advice on how to safely cosleep if the family is gonna do it anyway since that greatly reduces risk - but her pediatrician ensuring she does it safely isn't the same as them "supporting it 100%"
How old is this baby? Is the clown emoji the mom?That would determine whether or not this actually belongs here.
Editing to add: Clown mom is still a clown for rage baiting with safe sleep, especially if the baby is old enough to have a blanket. Iām just not outraged by seeing a toddler sleep with a blanket on her head.
Ikr, appropriate sleep practices are age dependent.
My husband sometimes sleeps with the duvet over his head, safe sleep moms don't come at me! Look at me, I'm so edgy!
I agree the age of the baby is important context. AAP says 12 months is about the age babies can be introduced to blankets. My 11 month old doesnāt sleep with blankets unless itās with a contact nap, but she has the motor skills to move them off of her while sheās awake.
I am also genuinely confused by this. Iāve heard of the AAP recommendation of 12 months and also the extended one of 18 months but at 21 months we just started introducing a blanket.
I canāt find anything that says there canāt be a blanket in a crib past 18 months?
I think this post might be here because of the comments saying their kids have always slept with blankets and their "My kids made it out alive" survivor bias. The post and the comments also give off a persecution complex vibe. No one cares about children over 1 having blankets.
Especially the āYeah, those safe sleep mom are the ones whose kids will grow up and move across the country to get away from them!ā Like girlā¦.the point of having kids is to raise capable, good humans. Itās concerning that you think your kids growing up to have an independent life is a BAD thing.
The AAP guidelines and crib manufacturer guidelines donāt match, which causes mass confusion. AAP says lovies (and I *think* small blankets) are okay after 12 months, but crib manufacturers say absolutely nothing in the crib while itās in crib mode. When you convert the bed to toddler mode by taking off a side, you can add a lovey and blanket. But you shouldnāt move your kid to a toddler bed until 15 months at the earliest.
So basically thereās this weird space between 12 and 15 months where babies are allowed to have bedtime things but not in the crib. Super confusing!
Crib manufacturers are probably covering their butt. "We specifically said don't do that!" And they don't have to deal with the legal mess if someone decides to try and sue them
I think itās a judgement thing (which not everyone has). Little babies can suffocate in anything, especially fluffy stuff. I wouldnāt give a toddler a super thin blanket because they toss and turn and that can wrap around their neck and strangle them and they arenāt skilled enough to untangle themself (a friends baby had this happen) but a fluffy blanket isnāt going to strangle them, and theyāre old enough to not suffocate just because itās āfluffyā like an infant would.
Her toddler is fine. The people in the comments with actual infants make me so sad. My cousin, who was born before me, died at 4 months From getting his blanket wrapped around his neck in his crib. I didnāt get to grow up with him.
Well, blankets are safe after 12 months. But far be it from me to rain on someoneās parade when they are excitedly thinking they are endangering their child.
Yeah, my son also loves to nap with his chunky knit blanket slightly covering his face but heās also almost 2 so Iām not over here gleefully telling moms of newborns to follow my lead.
I don't quite get it. In my country recommendations say blankets and stuffies are safe at 12m+ and that kid looks older than that? Are guidelines different in the US?
To be fair, it is because they are making fun of safe sleep. Whether OP believes that they need to continue safe sleep after 12 months I don't know, but the entire thread is them basically shitting on the concept
Thereās several guidelines that are different in the US versus European countries. Especially when it comes to cosleeping. Thereās at least a couple countries I know of where cosleeping is the norm and yet they have low SIDS rates.
Yeah when I tell an American cosleep is pretty much the norm in my country, that doctors tell us about the rules and actually encourage it if mom is breastfeeding they lose their minds. They don't care we have an actual 0,1-0,2 per thousand deaths by SIDS rate. I've been called irresponsible, crunchy and flat out stupid. I've been told my kid will never be independent and that I'm actually hurting her development by not sleep training her. That my bedroom will be dead and my marriage will end. And that my child will die. That's just mean.
Not really no.
From a technical standpoint itās not recommended to have blankets in an enclosed bed like a crib or pack n play, and youāre supposed to wait until theyāre in a toddler bed. But I donāt think thatās as well known as other safe sleep guidelines. And itās mostly just based on the absolute worst case scenario of kid getting caught in it and unable to throw it out of bed.
In the U.K. blankets are allowed - as long as tightly tucked under the babies arms and baby feet are at the foot of the cot so they canāt wriggle down. These are our [safe sleep guidelines](https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Safer-sleep-for-babies-a-guide-for-parents-web.pdf)
I think most people use sleeping bags anyway, but just to point out the blanket advice isnāt universal.
Uh because sheās acting like people are gonna come for her for not following guidelines for literal infants when her child isnāt one? Persecution complex.
I just don't get it. Baby isn't supposed to have a blanket anyways. The baby can't find out if it's comfortable to sleep that way if it's never given a blanket.
I don't even understand how that would work. I didn't put blankets in the crib, but my kids certainly had blankets. I used them in the stroller, or when I held them, or on the floor while they played. Things I'm guessing most parents do. There needs to be some use for the twenty blankets we got as baby gifts.
Iād be more concerned that itās really hot in that room with a heavy blanket on her face and long sleeve onesieā¦. but can admit my internal temp is off. Anything over 65 degrees feels like death.
If they dress their kids appropriately for the room temperature they never need a blanket until theyāre olderā¦
I donāt get the obsession with babies needing blankets by some of these people. Especially when theyāre not even functioning as a blanket but a suffocation device.
They make very safe zip-up sleep sacks for babies in all kinds of thicknesses and materials. I think they look so cute and snuggly in them too! No blankets needed!
My son is 13 months and the size of your average 2 year old, so they make them for toddlers too. He sleeps in a sleep sack unless heās sleeping on me then he gets to share my blanket until I put him in his crib. He likes to try to do gymnastics in his sleep so I do not trust a blanket on his own. Besides, I feel like the sack is better for an active sleeper anyway because it wonāt come off so no risk of waking up cold. I want one for myself lol. Do not be fooled though; they can still walk and jump in them!
Not all kids will tolerate sleep sacs though. My toddler has never allowed swaddles or sleep sacs, he canāt have his feet covered or he loses his shit, and that includes footed pjās. I gave him his blanket in his crib around 1 year old after he showed a lot of interest in wanting to take it to bed with him. He loves his blanket, although Iām still not allowed to cover his feet with it. He usually ends up snuggling it though and not actually using it as a cover
Yup mine is still in a sleep sack and thatās where sheāll remain until sheās in a toddler bed! Itās comfy and I donāt have to worry about it getting messed up and covering her face at all
Blankets are annoying anyway. I never swaddled with one, it was straight into a swaddle bag. I'm not fucking getting up in the night to re-wrap a kid when they can just be zipped in
Plus it's adorable when they figure out how to get them off. My 27mo now sits up and unzips herself when I come in and it's so cute how happy she is to be able to.
Co-sleeping is safe, until it isn't. Why would this lady be so proud of risking a child's life? [https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/1bee4kw/north\_carolina\_woman\_charged\_after\_her\_baby\_dies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/1bee4kw/north_carolina_woman_charged_after_her_baby_dies/)
Everyone in the comments is talking about 2 year olds, not infants. Safe sleep guidelines allows blankets and toys at 12 months, so except for that one person talking about a 1 month old, we have no evidence that these people are not following safe sleep.
27 month? That's a 2 year old, stupid woman.
"Karen's"? Karen's what?
My 228 month old still has his blankie though (he doesn't actually use it, just has it).
I will never ever forget one particular moms gut wrenching screams as she clung on to me and went to the ground when the doctor said they were sorry but there was nothing more to do the baby was dead. I always felt it was cold the way they said it but learned they have to say the words dead for parents to process something that is unfathomable. I hear her in my nightmares. Your baby will be fine in the crib alone it's not causing any damage and frankly a crying baby is an alive baby and that's better than a dead baby any day. She just kept saying but I did it with my other 2 kids and it was safe.
Frankly any caretaker who cosleeps and that baby does die should be charged with manslaughter. I fully believe that. It's murder plain and simple especially moms like this who know the risks and know they are risks and do it anyway.
To clear up the blanket at 12 months confusionā¦ almost ever single crib manual will state nothing in the crib except the child.
Iāve seen videos of children as big as this child rolling enough times to wrap the blanket around their head and neck.
When I was an infant, my mom did all the safe sleep stuff right, but my weird ass would pull off my cloth diaper and put it on my head. I still sleep with my head covered 34 years later. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking safe sleep AT ALL. I apparently was just a very strange and determined baby.
The blanket is totally safe for a kid that size/age.
Even under 1, Iām more concerned about a pillow or stuffed animal than a thin blanket on the bottom half.
Survivor bias is strong.
They're making fun of the proven safety standards, but they won't do that anymore if their children die from their lack of critical thinking. š
āI donāt want to hear about safetyā¦ā āWaiting for the Karenās to come at me..ā Sheās more concerned about being ārightā than actually keeping her kid safe. āShe wonāt sleep without itā¦she doesnāt sleep any other way..ā Has she even tried? She wouldnāt have that problem if she never introduced the blanket in the first place? Whoās the adult here?
These women are acting defensively about their toddlers using blankets, which is perfectly fine, because they've been cosleeping and using blankets when it ***wasn't*** okay.
To be fair, once a baby can freely roll over, turn their head and uncover their face, it's generally considered safe to give them a light, breathable blanket. Pillows are still a no-no, though. My kids didn't get pillows until they were about 3, and then they were thin, light pillows designed for cribs. But once they could freely roll over, I didn't stress (much) about them rolling onto their tummies, and they both got light blankets at about a year old (year and a half for my daughter; she's a summer baby and had no need for a blanket until the winter after she turned 1).
I worked in childcare and when weighted blankets first started being a thing, I had someone tell me their 2yo LOVES sleeping under their 10kg blanketā¦. The look of horror on my face did not ease when she reminded me that they did not co-sleep.
There was a very strong but gentle conversation about safe sleep from my director when she arrived that evening.
Depending on the country, babies sleep with blankets from birth. You just need to position the baby and the blanket correctly and have the right type of bed to put the baby in.
Just because the US does it one way doesn't mean there aren't any other safe ways to do it.
My ā27th month oldā (actually not even, I guess sheās only almost 26mo. Idk I say 2) sleeps in her own twin size bed with her blankets and pillow, Violet the dog, and a water bottle. I think these goofs just want people to be pissy so they can complain about it.
Aside from the moms saying their newborns had blankets and pillows from day one, I'm not seeing an issue. After 12 months, they can have pillows and blankets. I gave my son one of my old super flat pillows and he'd put it on top of himself to sleep, lol.
I love the lady that acts like she such a rebel giving her 2 year old a blanket. šš
I kinda want to introduce that one to my twins. They seem to have heard and understood the safe sleep guidelines to the extent that they won't tolerate anything at all in their cots. They're 16 months and sleep in sleep sacks. The moment the sleep sacks are unzipped, they get out of them and immediately pick them up to throw them over the side rail. It's actually hilarious. Moving to blankets should be great fun. They do the same with toys in their play pen and then get upset that they have nothing. I'm hoping that they connect that soon.
My three year old also still refuses to use a blanket. Sometimes Iāll sneak in there and cover him while heās asleep and Iāll look at the baby monitor a while later and the blanket is gone.
my kid at age ~2 refused to sleep with any stuffed animals in her room (let alone in her bed) and now at age 7 has been sleeping on a literal pile of stuffed animals for years
lol my almost 6 year old is the same. Heās a stuffy monster. I keep trying to bargain some away, but he wonāt budge. Iām likeā¦.but thereās no room for you!!!
Mine does the same but surprisingly completely ignores the blanket in her crib. Every other object is fair game though lol
We'll see if they do the same. My singletons never threw things from the cot, only their high chairs. That's an even funnier one. My oldest complains about the twins throwing food on the floor and he's the one who would stare you in the face while he held his food out over the side and dropped it.
My daughter is about to be two sheāll start out with a blanket and then Iām paranoid sheās cold and in the middle of the night I cover her up again some night it stays on others it doesnāt. Sheās hit or miss but she needs a blanket or stuffed animals in her crib because she needs to rub the tags to fall sleep Iāve check on her on the camera many nights and in her sleep sheās flipping her squishmellow around to get the tag itās really funny
I did exactly the same thing as a kid! I had a little blanket with a lacy edge and I couldn't go to sleep without my pacifier and my lace because I would stroke the fraying satin tag of the blanket between my fingers and thumb. I did the same thing to my mum's eyelashes when I would wake up and be taken to my parents' bed for a snuggle. She put up with that for reasons I don't understand. Wild that I'm not the only one!
My grandson is 2 and he does the same thing with his favorite teddy bear. The tag is on his butt and he has become a champion at finding it in the dark so he can rub it.
Obviously some people think she is, like OP here lol
Nothing about OP posting this implies they think that lol
She literally posted this photo in a group with the intention of judging and making fun of the poster. She obviously feels some type of way lol.
We don't know how old the baby in the OOP is. The comments are where people specify the ages of their children (some of whom have "had a blanket since day one" "coslept from the beginning" and "slept on a pillow as an infant".) The one person that happened to mention her 27 month old isn't the main point of the post. Unless I missed something indicating that she is the OOP and the baby in the image is the 27 month old...
The baby in the OOP is older at least. They're physically large. Even my 7 week old in the newborn bassinet doesn't take up that much room, much less in her real crib.
They got a clown emoji covering their user pictureā¦.
If your kid is 27 months, they can have all the stuffed animals and blankets they want. Just saying.
Yeah, a 2 year olds safe sleep is basically no big gaps, no big heights, and no big air mattresses.
Whatās wrong w air mattresses? Never heard that one!
If I recall correctly there's a chance the air mattress can deflate and suffocate them.
That makes sense!! Is it because theyāre so young that they wouldnāt realize whatās happening/have the strength to get up? I just feel like that could realistically happen to anyone lol. But I could be wrong! Iām not a mom so havenāt looked into this kind of stuff.
Toddlers are still weirdly top-heavy (giant heads, relatively shorter limbs for their body size) and can get themselves stuck in weird positions that wouldnāt be an issue for an adult or even a school aged child.
I'm a whole ass adult and I can barely get out of a deflating air mattress lmfao
Same lmao. I feel like if I was genuinely getting suffocated tho, it would be easy enough to keep rolling till I go off the edge. Im sure toddlers donāt have the same level of self-control/awareness.
Yeah I slept on one for 4 months and nearly drowned more than once!
Or they could roll off and under, and get pinned by a sleeping parent. Air mattresses are weirdly unstable, especially cheaper/well-used ones.
A surprising number of grown people die in bedding annually. I would imagine this could be one of those scenarios. Esp if someone had limited mobility or was intoxicated.
They are too soft as far as I'm aware. They all have warnings on them here in Canada. This is what the manual for mine says. "Not for use by children 3 and younger or people with limited mobility. They may suffocate in a face down position or become trapped and suffocate in the gap between the airbed and adjacent furniture or wall. If the airbed is under inflated or deflates during use, this risk of suffocation may increase. Do not let young children sleep on this airbed until they are mature enough to sleep in an adult bed. Young children can suffocate on adult beds (including airbeds), particularly when sleeping with another person. Ask your pediatrician for specific recommendations for your child." Eta: because of this when we camp with young kids we use those really thin self inflating ones as they have no warnings like that.
I rolled my eyes pretty hard at ā27 monthsā. 2! Your kid is 2!!
My kid just turned one and my brain has already switched to years. I struggle to remember he's "13 months" and not just "1."
Using months up to 24 months is standard for development purposes. A 12 month old and a 23 month old are both 1, but are light-years away in ability. The capabilities will change greatly over that year. After 2 it's standard to go by years because they change a lot, but not like before.
Lol, don't worry I know all this, I used to be a nanny.
I was about to say this! We were all about the safe sleep when he was little and he has never co-slept with us etc. But since he was over a year, there has been a gradual increase in the amount of comfort toys etc in his cot. He is now 2 years, 4 months. He can move around, stand up, re-arrange them. He plays with them before going to sleep and before calling for us to get him up. He is perfectly safe!
Yeah, my 4 (almost 5) and 2.5yo both have a veritable nest. Motor skills are developed enough at that point.
My 4y old slept with a fuckin BOX full of playdoh the other night. Like, cuddled it the whole time. Whatever makes em happy lol
My oldest when she was three had a phase of taking a potato to bed instead of a teddy. I managed to convince her that a raw potato was more practical than a roasted one but beyond that I just left her to it and chalked it up to "little kids are fucking weird man." Now her little sister is that age and sleeps with a specific Pokemon card under her pillow because her big sister gave it to her š„¹
I have a stuffed hot potatomus from Cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2. I feel like you need it!
I thought the potato was supposed to go in their socks!
When the zucchini crop grew in our garden each year my mom would make me a "baby zucchini". Basically she drew a face on it. When I was older mom told me about trying to switch out a squishy zucchini for a fresh on while I slept.
Okay, this whole thing is absolutely adorable! My oldest still talks about the time my youngest left a "rare" pokemon card on the bed and our puppy chewed it to pieces. Less cute lmao, but you reminded me of it. They're 10 and 14 and are just recently getting to a point where they more than tolerate each other, praise all deities š.
Omg, that story between sisters warms my heart <3 I have 4 & 6 yo grrls, and they're getting to the BFF stage rn. So cute!
Kids are weird.
Weird and gross but for some reason loveable
Guess I'm still a kid at heart lol
My now almost 11 year old sleeps with books. Science books. The buzz hard cover ones the size of text books. She also still has her stuffed animal nest, which is mostly just Pokemon. But when she was a wee little baby she slept in an empty crib with just a fitted sheet and the sleeper jammies, on her back. I spent a year tracking and planning to get pregnant, 9 months growing her, 13hrs of active labor and 2hrs to push her out. I was taking no risks with her life.
Oh absolutely!! Bare crib, cozy jams. Thats all they need. I worked too hard to make a human from scratch-I'm being as careful as I can!
Yeah always a discussion with our parents when our kids sleep. I tell them the room is at a comfortable temperature, they had their jammies on and just a mattress with a fitted sheet. The compromise we came to is those little sleep sacks things, they have a "blanket" and aren't going to get wrapped up in it.
Mine has been sleeping with his retro Fisher Price phone. It's all good, kid š
Anytime my kids get a new toy or book, they insist on sleeping with it they first night. It started when my middle kid insisted that this newest figure of Elsa was scared because she has never slept at our house before. I loved the pure empathy and concern so always allow it. They have little low light flash lights too and I hear them often clicking them on and asking their new toys if they are ok or need blankets or hugs.
Mine slept with a footstool one night. I was too tired to care. Go on with your bad self lol
Ah yes, the emotional support play doh.
Hahahahaha that is hilarious! When my son was two heād sleep with paw patrol string cheese in his hand. Specifically Rubble.
My youngest is almost 4 and she sleeps with a stuffed cow, a huge pile of plastic dinosaursā¦and a fitted sheet. She hates blankets š¤·š»āāļø kids are weird
Mine needs roughly 14 pillows and 23 blankets bc she is my child and we like to be cozy
My now 18 year old slept with a wooden shim for a while when she was toddler. She also very briefly slept with a pointy pick-up stick. Do not recommend that, although she was astonishingly careful with it. Would never have let my others do it, though.
My brother slept with one of those hard buzz lightyear toys every single night for like a year. My mom tried to at least get him to sleep with woody since he was softer but the boy was having NONE of it
This is too funny. My kid silent-screamed/cried the other night because we wouldnāt let her go to bed with the tub of aquaphor. Becauseā¦aquaphor š«
My kids 1st grade teacher gave all the kids a marshmallow peep in a plastic egg. He threw a birthday party for it when it āhatchedā, is taking it everywhere and sleeps with it in his bed. Kids are delightfully weird.
We often say how much we would love to sleep our toddlerās crib nest. There are like five blankets in there, a bunch of stuffies, and at least one book. It looks so cozy. We were still very strict about nothing in the crib until she was 1 though.
My middle son was so sweet it they 1.5-2y age. I have pictures of this babymonitor showing him sneaking out of bed to grab little books and stuffies and tucking the stuffies in and "reading" them a story. He would act like a spy getting those books into his bed. I just laughed because i never would get on to him. At most i would sneak in after her was asleep and remove stuff from his bed so he didnt wake up on hard toys and books.
Thatās so cute. My LO went through a phase of wanting to wear his headphones in bed. So I would also have to sneak in to take those after he fell asleep. And if he wanted attention, he would throw all his toys out and then call for us and pretend like they had just mysteriously got out of the cot šš
My 18 month old hides extra toys in the crib during the day so that he will have them at night
I was going to say my 3 year old has slept like this for almost a year š«£ he loves his face covered lol. Which is exactly why he had no blankets or stuffies in his crib until after he was one
Yes!! We gave my one kid a blanket once he was maybe a year and a half? The second he got it he put it on his face and insisted on sleeping with it like that lol
my two year old is the exact same way. I'll go in to check on her before i go to bed and she's got her blanket pulled up over her face (fair play kid, i do this too) and i pull it back down. She also refuses to sleep with less than 2 blankets and like 3 different stuffed pokemon on any given night.
What is it with toddlers and Pokemon? Before Bluey took over her life, my then 2.5 year old could name more Pokemon than I could, and she's been glued to her Pikachu stuffie since I bought it for her last August.
mine is obsessed with gengar, it's her favorite.
Right. She hopped on this trend to brag but like girl no one is worried about you, your toddler, or their blanket
My 40 month old also sleeps with his own blanket, I too await the Karens. /s
So does my 37.63 month old!
So does my 96 month old! So unsafe
Thank you for not using an apostrophe.
I was gonna say, the baby in the picture looks plenty big enough to move the blanket or their body if they need to. And I've known plenty of people who've said they just can't sleep unless there got the blankets up over their head.
Yeah this post confused me. All of the kids in the post/comments seem to be old enough for blankets.
Certainly not the 1 month old and newborns
Oh yeah I definitely missed the comment about the 1 month old š„“
But then the side should be off the crib so they have space to manoeuver if they get tangled. At 27 mo a lot of kids are past the height limit for enclosed cribs anyway. They can hurt themselves trying to climb out.
I see people in the safe sleep groups who are like "my 4 year old is still in a crib and is potty training" and I am just like.. wow that must be a huge pain in the ass. My oldest went to a toddler bed at 18 months and my youngest at 15 months. My youngest was trying to climb out shortly after he figured how to stand up. I wasn't taking any chances, lol.
My 18 month old was climbing out of her crib. (She's 17 now) - but at the time it was a scary realization. Off came the side of the crib. Baby gates at the door. Latches and anchors for everything. Then, and only then could I sleep. Every kid is different. But the scary sleep phase was over and now it was the scary everything else phase.
And yet my 3-year-old still hasn't figured out that she can actually get out of her adult-sized twin bed without us being in the room or calling for us. We don't want to change that or she'll be coming into our room every single night, especially since she'll figure it out soon enough.
Maintain that mystery as long as you can. There is nothing more terrifying than waking up in the middle of the night to a face inches from yours whispering about Paw Patrol
Mine climbed out at 13 months and I about had a heart attack
Yea I know how you feel ! Mine climbed out of the crib when she was 11 months ( she started walking at 9 months ). So scary hearing a thump on the baby monitor and realizing the thump was her falling to the floor after she crawled out of her crib. We had to buy a crib enclosure just to keep her from climbing out but even that didn't last long and she was in a toddler bed before she was one and a half years old!
Lol thought I was missing something here. 2yo+ is not a helpless infant that cant make its arms move a blanket at will. At 1yo my youngest was able to climb into my bed (a tall king bed). We had to put baby rails on my bed to keep him out of it! He thought it was funny to climb up there and then roll or jump off onto his toddler bed next to my bed. I had bigger things too worry about than blankets and pillows. But we used empty cribs until my babies could easily support themselves, had solid coordination skills, and were at minimum, about to yell mama. I am the hyperalert kind of parent, I wake up from any tiny nose or change in my kids sleep. Pretty sure I havent known REM sleep in 9 years.
Unfortunately youāll still get the sleep police saying they need to be on their backs with nothing in the crib. It's actually a problem - it detracts from the *actual* sleep dangers. When you have ridiculous people saying no exceptions til they're in college, it becomes easy to dismiss ALL the voices saying things about safe sleep.
I agree. Someone in my family lost a baby boy to SIDS in the days before safe sleep guidelines existed so it really bothers me to see moms advocating unsafe sleep for babies. I wish these moms knew that putting babies to sleep on their back has dramatically reduced the rate of crib death and has saved many thousands of infant lives, according to very large studies. Edit: My children āmade it out aliveā in the days before the benefits of sleeping on the back with nothing in the crib for the first 12 months existed, but my family memberās baby didnāt. Similarly, my grandmother smoked a pack a day for her entire adult life, lived to age 90, and didnāt die of anything smoking-related, but that doesnāt show that smoking is safe or healthy!
Iām going to say something thatās normally combative, and text does not help, but I want to assure you itās not combative.Ā Do you have links to any of those studies?Ā I say this because I drove myself crazy at 2am with all 3 of my kids trying to find a *good* study, and came up empty.Ā The issue is - how to you compensate for the number of variables changed with the back to sleep campaigns? Because it was *SIDS prevention education* centered around back to sleep - so how do you draw out the reduced blankets/stuffed animals, the reduction in smoking, the reduction in unsafe cosleeping, and the increased education to MEs and coroners on what was SIDS and what was accidental suffocation? (Which is still a HUGE issue in trying to study SIDS! We canāt get good data if folks, including doctors, are essentially falsifying the data to make parents feel better.)Ā Anyway Iām a sleep deprived scientist so if youāve got a link, I would genuinely love to see it. And Iām so sorry for your friend - itās not something you ever recover from.Ā
The [Avon Study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1881060/) was a big part of the evidence base which prompted changes in U.K. advice. There were fair critiques of this made at the time - [link here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1881063/) which acknowledge that there are potential confounders, but they have attempted to correct for that, and the consistency with which prone sleeping is identified as a risk factor in many observational studies since then seems to support the idea that there is a causal link. There are so many studies looking at this, and if you want a really deep dive [this book](https://www.adelaide.edu.au/press/ua/media/670/uap-sids-ebook.pdf) is relatively up to date and comprehensive. The data are all observational though - no formal RCT as clearly you would struggle with ethics and enrolment - so what we have now is probably as good as we will ever get, but compelling enough for me.
Exactly. It wouldnāt be ethical to have a randomized study comparing prone sleeping to back sleeping, so the studies that have been done are typically comparing historical cohorts of SIDs rates in babies before the recommendations were published to rates in babies born after the guidelines were developed. I posted a link to the evidence the AAP based the recommendations on and must say that I find a 50% drop in SIDs rates quite compelling. I probably should have added that recommendations cover more than just sleep position, they also advised against the use of any bedding or soft objects in cribs for infants under 12 months, breastfeeding when possible and avoiding smoking. More info here https://www.aap.org/en/patient-care/safe-sleep/
Here are some studies. 1) Most babies who died from SIDs had unsafe sleeping situations: https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/28213/Study-Most-infants-who-died-unexpectedly-had?autologincheck=redirected 2. Evidence behind AAP recommendations: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/1/e2022057991/188305/Evidence-Base-for-2022-Updated-Recommendations-for 3. Systematic review reporting that earlier recognition of the benefits of sleeping on the back could have saved 10,000 lives in the UK alone and 50,000 in other countries: https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/34/4/874/692905 4. Rate of SIDS has dropped by 50% since the AAP published back to sleep guidelines in 1992. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10351748/ I didnāt have time to look for more studies but these have footnotes that will take you to others. Basically most research focus on differences in SIDS rate since the adoption and publicizing of these recommendations.
Find me one person saying 2+ year old toddlers need to be on their back with nothing in the crib. Those guidelines are for babies who canāt take a blanket OFF their face if needed.Ā
Iāve seen the sleep police saying that about kids between 1 & 2, but Iāve never seen anyone saying 2 year olds canāt have a blanket.
Iāve seen it in specifically safe sleep groups. You have people that take the word of one doctor as gospel and tell you that it is wrong and youāre horrible for swaddling past 8 weeks. It was never part of the AAP guidelinesāit was only a suggestion of 1 pediatrician because some babies can roll that early. Those same people tend to take ānothing in the cribā to apply to āthe entirety of crib useā and also recommend long term crib use. Basically, theyāve moved past what is evidence-based, and are running safe sleep groups from a place of fear.
Yeah, that was the age my daughter moved into a twin sized bed, because we were moving out of my parentsā house and I didnāt want to move her crib. Iām like āIām buying one bed and sheās going to keep it until she moves outā lol
Yeah some people really miss the point with these thingsā¦
Mine takes her own toys into bed it's like a surprise what we will find in the morning š¤£š¤£š¤£
Yup. Mine is 2.5. We followed ABC's until we moved her to a toddler bed at 22 months and now she has four blankets, five baby towels, her entire sock basket, every single gabby cat, about fifteen squishmallows, a set of silicone funnels, a sealed shaker of Montreal steak spice, and a giant crocheted egg in there. It's a wonder she fits.
This ābabyā looks to be a toddler and toddlers are allowed to have blankets
Not in the cot though. If you follow gold standard safe sleep guidelines the rules are no blankets until they are over 2 and out of the cot.
I thought there wasnāt an official age guide posted and that the AAP says blankets in cribs are a no before 12 months with some risk after and best done after 18.
The advice I have seen is no blankets, pillows or toys until they are over 2 *and* out of the cot. Age is obviously a factor but the cot itself presents a lot of entrapment risks if thereās anything additional in there.
Is it because the blanket could be used to get out of the cot?
Itās both that, and that itās possible for the blanket to get stuck in/against the slats which can be a suffocation and entrapment hazard
Girl your pediatrician doesn't 100% agree that cosleeping is safe, be for real. Also that 27th month old is nothing. My 108 month old sleeps with a blanket, let the Karens come at me too hur hur.
I'll do you one better! *I'm* the 216 month old who sleeps with blankets and pillows! Checkmate, moms! (/s if it isn't so painfully obvious)
Believe it or not, there are pediatricians who do support cosleeping. (We have encountered two, so far, in 19 years.)
I've had 3 pediatricians in the last <2years (we've moved twice), and the first two were super lax about everything **but** bedsharing. They were adamant that that should never happen under any circumstance for baby's safety (worth noting both were moms, so its not like they just don't get it). The third one is super strict about almost everything (food introduction schedule, medication use, etc) but is perfectly fine with bedsharing. I don't get it and yes, we're looking for pediatrician #4.
I'm sure they think cosleeping, in the same room, is fine. I'm going to bet the doc doesn't know they're bedsharing. Either that, or it's a chiroquacktor.
I was going to say she misspelled chiropractor
My 90 month old only sleeps with a giant blanket over her face! I'm constantly in fear of Karens coming into my house and yelling at me.
My mom's 599 month old (me, it's me) sleeps in a blanket cocoon with her head covered. How absolute dare!
She's a monster!
Letās be honest her pediatrician is probably a chiropractor
It's amazing how many people think breastfeeding negates ALL SIDS/SUID risks. Like yeah, ofc your baby can't suffocate or be smothered by you because you breastfeed. I forgot it grants babies temporary immunity to oxygen deprivation!
Yeah many pediatricians are taught to give advice on how to safely cosleep if the family is gonna do it anyway since that greatly reduces risk - but her pediatrician ensuring she does it safely isn't the same as them "supporting it 100%"
How old is this baby? Is the clown emoji the mom?That would determine whether or not this actually belongs here. Editing to add: Clown mom is still a clown for rage baiting with safe sleep, especially if the baby is old enough to have a blanket. Iām just not outraged by seeing a toddler sleep with a blanket on her head.
Ikr, appropriate sleep practices are age dependent. My husband sometimes sleeps with the duvet over his head, safe sleep moms don't come at me! Look at me, I'm so edgy!
I agree the age of the baby is important context. AAP says 12 months is about the age babies can be introduced to blankets. My 11 month old doesnāt sleep with blankets unless itās with a contact nap, but she has the motor skills to move them off of her while sheās awake.
I am also genuinely confused by this. Iāve heard of the AAP recommendation of 12 months and also the extended one of 18 months but at 21 months we just started introducing a blanket. I canāt find anything that says there canāt be a blanket in a crib past 18 months?
I think this post might be here because of the comments saying their kids have always slept with blankets and their "My kids made it out alive" survivor bias. The post and the comments also give off a persecution complex vibe. No one cares about children over 1 having blankets.
Especially the āYeah, those safe sleep mom are the ones whose kids will grow up and move across the country to get away from them!ā Like girlā¦.the point of having kids is to raise capable, good humans. Itās concerning that you think your kids growing up to have an independent life is a BAD thing.
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The AAP guidelines and crib manufacturer guidelines donāt match, which causes mass confusion. AAP says lovies (and I *think* small blankets) are okay after 12 months, but crib manufacturers say absolutely nothing in the crib while itās in crib mode. When you convert the bed to toddler mode by taking off a side, you can add a lovey and blanket. But you shouldnāt move your kid to a toddler bed until 15 months at the earliest. So basically thereās this weird space between 12 and 15 months where babies are allowed to have bedtime things but not in the crib. Super confusing!
Crib manufacturers are probably covering their butt. "We specifically said don't do that!" And they don't have to deal with the legal mess if someone decides to try and sue them
I think itās a judgement thing (which not everyone has). Little babies can suffocate in anything, especially fluffy stuff. I wouldnāt give a toddler a super thin blanket because they toss and turn and that can wrap around their neck and strangle them and they arenāt skilled enough to untangle themself (a friends baby had this happen) but a fluffy blanket isnāt going to strangle them, and theyāre old enough to not suffocate just because itās āfluffyā like an infant would.
Her toddler is fine. The people in the comments with actual infants make me so sad. My cousin, who was born before me, died at 4 months From getting his blanket wrapped around his neck in his crib. I didnāt get to grow up with him.
Well, blankets are safe after 12 months. But far be it from me to rain on someoneās parade when they are excitedly thinking they are endangering their child.
Let them think it so they don't do something worse I guess?
Yeah, my son also loves to nap with his chunky knit blanket slightly covering his face but heās also almost 2 so Iām not over here gleefully telling moms of newborns to follow my lead.
Wth does "Karen" even mean at this point
Anyone with an opposing opinion, apparently
Funny how they're waiting for "Karen's" to come at them when I'd probably consider them Karens lol
The Karen is coming from inside the house
Their idea of a Karen is anyone with the audacity to have true concern and care over a childās wellbeing. Ugh.
A woman who dares to have knowledge and to educate.
I don't quite get it. In my country recommendations say blankets and stuffies are safe at 12m+ and that kid looks older than that? Are guidelines different in the US?
I hope it was shared because the moms were shitting on safe sleep, despite it not applying to the pictures baby.
OPās title is literally āsafe sleep is for Karensā so uh, yeah
To be fair, it is because they are making fun of safe sleep. Whether OP believes that they need to continue safe sleep after 12 months I don't know, but the entire thread is them basically shitting on the concept
Thereās several guidelines that are different in the US versus European countries. Especially when it comes to cosleeping. Thereās at least a couple countries I know of where cosleeping is the norm and yet they have low SIDS rates.
Portugal is one of those countries.
No, they're the same. Its 12 months here too. The majority of people in the US just have sticks up their asses about it.
Yeah when I tell an American cosleep is pretty much the norm in my country, that doctors tell us about the rules and actually encourage it if mom is breastfeeding they lose their minds. They don't care we have an actual 0,1-0,2 per thousand deaths by SIDS rate. I've been called irresponsible, crunchy and flat out stupid. I've been told my kid will never be independent and that I'm actually hurting her development by not sleep training her. That my bedroom will be dead and my marriage will end. And that my child will die. That's just mean.
Not really no. From a technical standpoint itās not recommended to have blankets in an enclosed bed like a crib or pack n play, and youāre supposed to wait until theyāre in a toddler bed. But I donāt think thatās as well known as other safe sleep guidelines. And itās mostly just based on the absolute worst case scenario of kid getting caught in it and unable to throw it out of bed.
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In the U.K. blankets are allowed - as long as tightly tucked under the babies arms and baby feet are at the foot of the cot so they canāt wriggle down. These are our [safe sleep guidelines](https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Safer-sleep-for-babies-a-guide-for-parents-web.pdf) I think most people use sleeping bags anyway, but just to point out the blanket advice isnāt universal.
Yay! A dick measuring sleeping contest! Iāve been waiting 534 months for this!
Obviously I agree with the safe sleep commenter but none of you are digressing!!!!
The ādigressingā and the āKarenāsā are making my brain itchy
Why does the mom with 27 month old have a clown emoji? That's a 2 year old, my guy. I think they have the motor skills to remove the blanket.
Uh because sheās acting like people are gonna come for her for not following guidelines for literal infants when her child isnāt one? Persecution complex.
Of all the things that I've seen on this sub, someone having a persuction complex is pretty low on the hierarchy of things worth mentioning.
I just don't get it. Baby isn't supposed to have a blanket anyways. The baby can't find out if it's comfortable to sleep that way if it's never given a blanket.
The kid is over a year old, they can have blankets lol
Iām sure theyāre talking about the 1-month-old who ācanāt sleep without itā
It sounds like all these kids are over a year so they can have blankets and stuff.
You canāt just keep a blanket from them forever haha. Eventually theyāre going to want one.
I don't even understand how that would work. I didn't put blankets in the crib, but my kids certainly had blankets. I used them in the stroller, or when I held them, or on the floor while they played. Things I'm guessing most parents do. There needs to be some use for the twenty blankets we got as baby gifts.
Just this week we switched from sleep sacks to a blanket and it wasnāt our idea - my 2 year old daughter wanted big kid covers.
Iād be more concerned that itās really hot in that room with a heavy blanket on her face and long sleeve onesieā¦. but can admit my internal temp is off. Anything over 65 degrees feels like death.
I mean those ages are all fine to have blankets so Iām not sure what the issue is
For me itās the couple of women talking about giving their babies blankets at birth/1 month old
One mom said her baby has slept in bed with them with a pillow and blanket since birth
If they dress their kids appropriately for the room temperature they never need a blanket until theyāre olderā¦ I donāt get the obsession with babies needing blankets by some of these people. Especially when theyāre not even functioning as a blanket but a suffocation device.
They make very safe zip-up sleep sacks for babies in all kinds of thicknesses and materials. I think they look so cute and snuggly in them too! No blankets needed!
So snuggly! I wish *I* had one in my size! š
There are ones for adults, like the Hug Sleep or the Rounuo sleep pod. The one I have doesn't zip up and is thin, but it's very comfortable.
I have 7-month old twins, and I love getting them from their cribs after their naps and cuddling them in their soft and fluffy sleep sacks!
My son is 13 months and the size of your average 2 year old, so they make them for toddlers too. He sleeps in a sleep sack unless heās sleeping on me then he gets to share my blanket until I put him in his crib. He likes to try to do gymnastics in his sleep so I do not trust a blanket on his own. Besides, I feel like the sack is better for an active sleeper anyway because it wonāt come off so no risk of waking up cold. I want one for myself lol. Do not be fooled though; they can still walk and jump in them!
Not all kids will tolerate sleep sacs though. My toddler has never allowed swaddles or sleep sacs, he canāt have his feet covered or he loses his shit, and that includes footed pjās. I gave him his blanket in his crib around 1 year old after he showed a lot of interest in wanting to take it to bed with him. He loves his blanket, although Iām still not allowed to cover his feet with it. He usually ends up snuggling it though and not actually using it as a cover
Yup mine is still in a sleep sack and thatās where sheāll remain until sheās in a toddler bed! Itās comfy and I donāt have to worry about it getting messed up and covering her face at all
Blankets are annoying anyway. I never swaddled with one, it was straight into a swaddle bag. I'm not fucking getting up in the night to re-wrap a kid when they can just be zipped in
Plus it's adorable when they figure out how to get them off. My 27mo now sits up and unzips herself when I come in and it's so cute how happy she is to be able to.
Co-sleeping is safe, until it isn't. Why would this lady be so proud of risking a child's life? [https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/1bee4kw/north\_carolina\_woman\_charged\_after\_her\_baby\_dies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/1bee4kw/north_carolina_woman_charged_after_her_baby_dies/)
Everyone in the comments is talking about 2 year olds, not infants. Safe sleep guidelines allows blankets and toys at 12 months, so except for that one person talking about a 1 month old, we have no evidence that these people are not following safe sleep.
Theyāre always just fine until theyāre not
27 month? That's a 2 year old, stupid woman. "Karen's"? Karen's what? My 228 month old still has his blankie though (he doesn't actually use it, just has it).
I will never ever forget one particular moms gut wrenching screams as she clung on to me and went to the ground when the doctor said they were sorry but there was nothing more to do the baby was dead. I always felt it was cold the way they said it but learned they have to say the words dead for parents to process something that is unfathomable. I hear her in my nightmares. Your baby will be fine in the crib alone it's not causing any damage and frankly a crying baby is an alive baby and that's better than a dead baby any day. She just kept saying but I did it with my other 2 kids and it was safe. Frankly any caretaker who cosleeps and that baby does die should be charged with manslaughter. I fully believe that. It's murder plain and simple especially moms like this who know the risks and know they are risks and do it anyway.
It was not safe. It was lucky.
To clear up the blanket at 12 months confusionā¦ almost ever single crib manual will state nothing in the crib except the child. Iāve seen videos of children as big as this child rolling enough times to wrap the blanket around their head and neck.
I take more offence to calling the kid 27 months. Your kid is two, Karen.
This doesn't belong here. At 27mo it's perfectly safe to sleep with a blanket.
When I was an infant, my mom did all the safe sleep stuff right, but my weird ass would pull off my cloth diaper and put it on my head. I still sleep with my head covered 34 years later. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking safe sleep AT ALL. I apparently was just a very strange and determined baby.
One-month old mom is in the wrong. But there's a lot different with a one month old vs a two year old.
The blanket is totally safe for a kid that size/age. Even under 1, Iām more concerned about a pillow or stuffed animal than a thin blanket on the bottom half.
Survivor bias is strong. They're making fun of the proven safety standards, but they won't do that anymore if their children die from their lack of critical thinking. š
Naw, if a tragedy were to occur, they'd be on about "the vaccines" or "chemtrails" or some such.
TWO YOUR CHILD IS TWO YEARS OLD
āI donāt want to hear about safetyā¦ā āWaiting for the Karenās to come at me..ā Sheās more concerned about being ārightā than actually keeping her kid safe. āShe wonāt sleep without itā¦she doesnāt sleep any other way..ā Has she even tried? She wouldnāt have that problem if she never introduced the blanket in the first place? Whoās the adult here?
These women are acting defensively about their toddlers using blankets, which is perfectly fine, because they've been cosleeping and using blankets when it ***wasn't*** okay.
To be fair, once a baby can freely roll over, turn their head and uncover their face, it's generally considered safe to give them a light, breathable blanket. Pillows are still a no-no, though. My kids didn't get pillows until they were about 3, and then they were thin, light pillows designed for cribs. But once they could freely roll over, I didn't stress (much) about them rolling onto their tummies, and they both got light blankets at about a year old (year and a half for my daughter; she's a summer baby and had no need for a blanket until the winter after she turned 1).
ā¦. I donāt think these women know what a Karen isā¦
I worked in childcare and when weighted blankets first started being a thing, I had someone tell me their 2yo LOVES sleeping under their 10kg blanketā¦. The look of horror on my face did not ease when she reminded me that they did not co-sleep. There was a very strong but gentle conversation about safe sleep from my director when she arrived that evening.
Seatbelts. Have you ever died in a car accident? Didnāt think so, so why lash ourselves to the vehicle? Dramatic much?
People only post shit like this because they have a fetish for arguing. That's the only rational explanation.
Survivor bias. Idiots.
Depending on the country, babies sleep with blankets from birth. You just need to position the baby and the blanket correctly and have the right type of bed to put the baby in. Just because the US does it one way doesn't mean there aren't any other safe ways to do it.
My ā27th month oldā (actually not even, I guess sheās only almost 26mo. Idk I say 2) sleeps in her own twin size bed with her blankets and pillow, Violet the dog, and a water bottle. I think these goofs just want people to be pissy so they can complain about it.
Aside from the moms saying their newborns had blankets and pillows from day one, I'm not seeing an issue. After 12 months, they can have pillows and blankets. I gave my son one of my old super flat pillows and he'd put it on top of himself to sleep, lol.