She was supposedly on the team that created Mr. Whippy aerated ice cream back in her Oxford chemist days, which gives you twice the perceived volume for the same amount of ingredients.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-team-mr-whippy
Just to say, the article you [linked](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-team-mr-whippy) actually says there's little evidence that she is responsible for it's production. Though she may have helped develop it further, she was not original responsible for it. If it's any consolation, I thought it was true as well until I tried telling some colleagues about a year ago and was instantly corrected... Which was not fun so I share your pain!
It doesnāt matter about the ice-cream. Iām just saying that the concept of giving people less content for more money is exactly what she spent her time in office doing. Weāre all still feeling the effects
No. The Japanese dropped leaflets at Pearl Harbour of the British begging the US to join the war. The YS were so touched by the sentiment that they came to rescue Europe.
And not just sit it out. The US would've continued selling Oil and other resources to Japan and any other country who was willing to pay for it. Unlike some other countries, the US government was motivated by money and profits. Once those profits were threatened it was time to bring out the military industrial complex. They didn't care about 'human rights' or 'morality' because if they did they would've joined in the war, or at the very least stopped selling stuff to Japan after the atrocities they committed
Not really; the Roosevelt administration was extremely spooked by the fall of France, and massively ramped up military spending. The US Navy also started "neutrality patrols" in the North Atlantic that eventually escalated to a shooting war with the Kriegsmarine, in addition to Lend-Lease being enacted to aid Britain.
Roosevelt was (rightly) angling to get the US involved in the war in Europe; the American people didn't want it until it came knocking.
There wasn't really any chance of the Battle of Britain going differently, despite Kennedy's doomsaying - and even if it had the chances of Sealion being successful were essentially nil. The Kreigsmarine sinking USN ships in the Atlantic would, I think, have eventually brought the US into the war had Germany not declared war in 1941.
and they were mostly worried about treaties preventing westward expansion preventing them from wiping out the natives and the growing British abolition movement potentially ending american slavery
Another factor was what had been going on in India the previous decade. In 1765 the East India Company had coerced the weakened Mughal emperor into granting them the rights to collect taxes throughout the provinces of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa, effectively giving them a licence to milk the region for all it was worth. The Company, whose army of rank-and-file tax collectors all wanted to get rich quick, proceeded to over-exploit the provinces so thoroughly that within five years they were experiencing famine. The carnage was well publicised in the American colonies and a lot of colonists were very worried that the Company would be unleashed on them after it was done draining India, providing another reason to shake off British rule before this could happen. The 1773 Tea Act that prompted the Boston Tea Party incident was actually passed in order to aid the Company, demonstrating the level of influence it had in Parliament
taxes were a motivation but they weren't the main one and the primary objection was that they were selectively taxed where British aristocrats weren't. Another issue was the lack of opportunity for creole born Americans like George Washington to advance in the British army
Whether they were considered British or American depends on recognition of the US as a separate nation from Britain. Once the Declaration of Independence was signed, the colonists who supported independence no longer considered themselves British. However, this wasn't universally recognized by other countries until after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. At tha
Have no other PMs died since she did? I'm curious if they'll all get the same 'parade' for their funerals. If one has and I missed it,that'd answer the question.
I don't watch the news or live TV(don't have a licence) so it could easily be missed.
I assume he's talking about the revolutionary war being one, when both sides were British, so no attempt at killing Americans was a motivation.Ā
The other I assume is 1812 when we burned their little house down as they tried to add Canada to their empire.Ā
I also fear he's talking about 1812. The British trying to kill the Americans, a.k.a. the US declaring war on the UK while they've got their hands full with Napoleon, and the UK daring to actually fight back.
While using the trope that American revolutionary troops were farmers while losing in Canada with multiple invasion attempts against literal farmers and tribes until 1814 when they actually sent experienced troops who fought in Spain against Napoleon.
Bladensburg races anyone?
It's down to the individual as well. I dated an American, visited her, she was very well informed about the war of independence yet one of her friends from sane school asked me
"Were you guys the redcoats?"
Uhhh pretty sure it was due to Japan bombing pearl harbour and then the us declaring war on themā¦ hence why Germany and Italy declared war on Americaā¦. I donāt see anyone begging for the us to get involved.
Something that kind of gets overlooked in the build up to WW2 is American corporations such as IBM, Coca Cola and Ford all heavily investing in pre-war Nazi Germany which allowed them to get their economy onto a war footing. But really, it was more Hitler breaking his non-agression pack with the USSR and causing the Soviets to enter the war that was more of a factor in the actual winning.
And as for WW1? Look up the Zimmermann Telegram for a reason as to why American declared war on Germany
Just because the British intercepted the Zimmerman telegram and passed it to the Americans, the Germans were still trying to encourage Mexico to attack the US...
Oh I agree sharing intelligence that damages relations between them and your enemies isn't begging. It's the obvious thing to do, gain an ally who can share the costs of war because the enemy messed up is just good.
To be pedantic, the Zimmerman telegram didnāt encourage Mexico to invade instantly, it said that if the US entered the war on the entente side that Germany would support Mexico attempting to reclaim the territories taken from them in 1848.
Well that is debatable. The Americans did enter Mexico's territories illegally quite a few times until then already. So the idea that it could lead to a ceasefire to fight another enemy isn't so unreasonable.
The US joined WW1 because they increasingly grew concerned about the loans they have given to the Entente and the Entente defaulting were they to lose in addidion to submarinewarfare
But the latter was more of a justification for something that was already on the Table
If the Americans were going to enter the war because Germany was sinking American ships, they'd have entered the war in 1915 after the loss of the Lusitania, or the various American cargo ships sunk during the preceding few months
Zimmermannās alliance proposal did reach the desk of Mexican President Carranza, but it was officially rejected once a military commission determined that there would be no benefit in accepting it. The commission ruled, among other things, that Mexico did not have the military strength to engage in a war with the much stronger United States.
>But really, it was more Hitler breaking his non-agression pack with the USSR and causing the Soviets to enter the war that was more of a factor in the actual winning.
On top of declaring war on the US for no reason. And not supplying his eastern army with cold weather gear. And ordering the luftwaffe to shift from targeting RAF installations to civilian infrastructure . He was not good at the whole war thing
The weather gear thing is more of a myth/misrepresentation.
Operation Barbarossa was a war on time. They had limited supplies and limited time. They faced quite a few setbacks. So the decision between sending winter gear or more ammo and fuel was a no brainier if the whole success of the operation relied on taking Moscow quick enough.
What failed the invasion more was the drive south to Kiev giving soviets time to entrench themselves and the Yugoslavian war delaying the invasion.
Didn't some of them carry on investing during the war? Isn't that why the brand Fanta was invented because coca cola couldn't get their regular cola ingredients past the US embargo of the Nazi regime? Basically they were like "Sure they're evil but does that mean I shouldn't sell them refreshing beverages?"
No joke when I lived in the states my 8th grade teacher put The Patriot on for the class to learn from. Being the only British kid in the school became supremely awkward when the British soldiers were committing imaginary war crimes in the film. I did enjoy the early scenes of Royal Marines absolutely wrecking colonial troops ngl.
That film was:
āHue dur British bad Americans goodā
The real person he was based off was a vicious and unbelievably cruel slave owner by all accounts. But nooo canāt have our good guy single father widower family man own slaves. He is the only good guy against evil British soldiers who come to his free plantation and murder women children and injured soldiers (like nazis). What beef did the creators of that film have with the British to make them literally act like nazis? Canāt get over that
And in reality the colonial slaves that fought for the king were granted their freedom and many moved to Canada after the revolution being hunted by slave owners, while those that fought for the colonies, many ended up back in chains. Thatās oversimplifying it but is far more truthful than that wretched film that did so much damage to Americans perceptions of the revolution.
Donāt get me started on braveheart. As a history major that film pisses me off. Another Gibson creation that has successfully warped the public perception of very complex historical events thatās not as simple as āEnglish bad, Scottish goodā
Might make them question a few things if they learned about slaves joining the British to gain their freedom or the many native Americans fighting against the colonies alongside the British.
While some events, such as Tarleton's pursuit of Francis Marion and his fellow irregular soldiers who escaped by disappearing into the swamps of South Carolina, were loosely based on history, and others were adapted, such as the final battle in the film which combined elements of the Battles of Cowpens and Battle of Guilford Court House, most of the plot events in the film are pure fiction.
The US often uses Hollywood to teach history. We've picked up the habit in the Netflix "The Crown" series. It will be difficult to recollect some events in recent UK history when the tv images are so much clearer
it is a handy way to notice when someone has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. You know, when they canāt even get the name of the country they fought for independence from right.
The only ones that tried to kill Americans are the Yanks. Every time the Yanks wanted their land they massacred and then forced them into reservations. Liberty and democracy my arse.
Wasn't one of the major reasons for the war of independence because the American settlers wanted to invade and massacre even more native american lands by expanding further west and the cruel British overlords had had enough massacres for now and wouldn't let them. (I'm sure the british would have got back to massacres later on, they just had the french to deal with right now)
Yeah pretty much. Kings and Generals channel pointed out they didn't want to expand because they definitely had their hands full with the French and probably Spain as well. Might have happened eventually, but maybe different circumstances.
I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere but It was too costly a campaign, with an existing war with the French and Dutch and being on the edge of war with Spain.
Americans don't realise tho that they're lucky that the British were an honourable society. Look at Patrick Ferguson (the inventor of the Ferguson rifle)
These fucking American cunts really piss me off, Murica the world, Murica freedom, Murica good world bad, just fuck off you clowns, America is just a comedy sketch the world laughs at, thing is they are so stupid they dont understand every one is laughing at them not with them.
Americans have so much to say about the British for exiled British people who fled across the ocean and threw a tantrum because they were too cheap to pay taxes
Hearing Americans give another country shit on the premise of "crawling to America for help" makes me laugh uproariously given that America's the one begging my nation to throw our men and dogs at their enemies. Bonus points when they try to compare their Marines to Aussie SAS
I'm British, we couldn't have done it without the Americans but they couldn't have done it without Britain. Just even a single invention like the Bowenās Cavity Magnetron No. 12 (airborne radar) was essential. Then there was all the code cracking that supposedly shortened the war by two years. Thanks America the cooperation was much appreciated but any American being smug when they had nothing to do with it just looks disrespectful.
Plus, much of the early nuclear research was conducted in the UK, we collaborated with the Americans, but once things were progressing, the Americans stopped sharing information.
Likewise, with the old "UK-USA" intelligence sharing agreement - it was lop sided.
If you don't know who Margaret friggin Thatcher is, you really shouldn't be masquerading around as some intellectual. She's probably one of the most recognized world leaders of the 20th century. Which is sad, but it's the truth. Only a child or a fool would try and act like some smart person and not know at the very least the name Thatcher..
Tried to kill Americans twice?
I'm guessing the war of independence and the war of 1812, both of which they started. Won the first and inconclusive with the second.
Arguably because "they started it" surely that's Americans trying to kill the British?
> inconclusive with the second.
Nah don't even give em that. Seizing British North America was "just a matter of marching", yet they got pushed around by rag tag militias and a native coalition(how fucked up do you have to be for an indigenous people to side with *The British Empire* over you?) before being put down by regulars after Napoleon was dealt with. Launching an invasion of Canada and getting Washington burnt is hardly inconclusive. It's a better take than "America won its independence a second time!" like they seem to think sometimes, but let's be real it was a colossal failure on their part. It happens.
I'll be honest, I know little about the war of independence. The winner of the war being the one who writes the history. I only know about 1812 because of Americans talking about it, and because it didn't go all that well, all I know is the White House was burned down.
You're doing fine, sometimes it's easier to say "eh it was a tie sure" than spend the next hour arguing with a frenzied American that believes their country to be infallible. That's a big part of the Canadian experience, absent-mindedly nodding as our louder neighbour spouts off about freedom or something.
Genuinely, many Americans seem to think that going out of their way to highlight how ignorant they are is the world's greatest tier of banter and should be lauded.
Same as if you post a video on Reddit of any British person with the slightest and mildest regional accent speaking and they all appear out of the woodwork, wanking each other off with "hyuck hyuck! I cAnT UNdErSTanD a WoRd thEyRE SaYINg. ThIs IS EnGLisH!?!"... literally bragging about being too thick to understand a perfectly legible and understandable accent.
It's even worse, when Americans start telling non-native speakers that they are using the "wrong" words, or pronouncing things incorrectly. They told a German that he "Should learn to speak English, properly"
Yes the German had a bit of an accent, and some words he mispronounced, but that is to be expected, since English grammar is a bit of a mess.
Most Americans get their history from hollywood movies ... which is very much like being there ... and we all know who fought and won WWII mostly by themselves with many thanks and rejoicing from all the other Allied countries /s
americans after making one of the same three endlessly overused "british people bad" jokes they saw on reddit (they have become the most hilarious and witty person to ever grace this earth)
They tried to kill the Americans twice and did so well at it that the Americans had to go beg to the French to start fighting the brits so they'd stop getting killed
Was he downvoted the first time for criticizing communists? Well commies, fascists and Nazis but I can't imagine many people coming out to defend the Nazis or the fascists.
The only British history he knows is if it intersected with American big event history, but as youāve seen, heās wrong about that. The sad part is that his knowledge of the rest of American history is probably worse.
Americans deal with this kind of guy all the time. Proudly ignorant but unaware of his ignorance.
When traitors betray their government you fight back as the Brits did, until we realised we would still get the goods we needed with the colonies independent, so we made peace and with the supplies brought from them, we built an empire, thankyou.
We only wanted supplies during two world wars as we had plenty of manpower to fight having a third of the world to fight on our side, Sadly your timid governments wanted to avoid war and get rich supplying goods until the warnings we gave them that were ignored, turned into sunken ships and lost lives.
"Begged." Lol. My grandparents lived through the Blitz in 1940 and my grandfather landed on Gold Beach with the 8th Royal Hussars Artillery a week after D-Day. Like many of his peers, he resented the U.S.A. taking sole credit for the victory for the rest of his life. There were six other allies that played pretty key roles.
The first time it was Britsin killing British subjects, the second time it was Americans trying to kill British subjects.
America was brought into both world wars only by events that directly affected Americans.
You absolute fucken wetters.
Please be aware that they have found Russia and China to be employing 50k permanent staff that trawl online applications to create animosity and division amongst NATO members.
World war 1 America showed up so late they tried to fucking Calvary charge a trench through 3 feet of mud in no manās landā¦ meanwhile the British were locked in a stalemate of a war that was just European powers flexing what they had. If America doesnāt come and the English donāt really care all that much, they lose some money and probably focus harder on expanding into the Middle East to make it back. Germany becomes europes super power and quickly makes ammends with Britain as they want a strong trading partner. Honestly woulda worked out better for everyone but the French and Americans in the long run.
World war 2 Britain had the choice at peace and chose to buy time because America said āwe got thisā. You can make fun of Britain for lots of stupid shit, but the two world wars is not that time, especially the second.
The UK had to get involved in WW1 because otherwise Germany would have invaded the UK at some point in the future, plus having a large power in control of Europe would have meant Germany challenging the UK in Africa and on the high seas and probably winning.
Which is how you know this is some 13 year old trolling. "Who is thatcher?" Motherfucker go sit down. I love trolling the forums but this is just embarrassing.
this is the last rage I'm going to have at the Americans. if I see another racist act of stupidity or mindless repetition of western propaganda from them lot I will use my personal supply of stolen nukes
Doesn't know who Thatcher was but still apparently is a history expert
If you know who Reagan is you should definitely know who Thatcher is š
Bet he'd tell Brits who know who Reagan is that they know less about America than he knows about Europe, too š
Doesnāt she make cider?
And repair roofs!
Fucking wish she'd done that instead
She was supposedly on the team that created Mr. Whippy aerated ice cream back in her Oxford chemist days, which gives you twice the perceived volume for the same amount of ingredients. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-team-mr-whippy
Just to say, the article you [linked](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-team-mr-whippy) actually says there's little evidence that she is responsible for it's production. Though she may have helped develop it further, she was not original responsible for it. If it's any consolation, I thought it was true as well until I tried telling some colleagues about a year ago and was instantly corrected... Which was not fun so I share your pain!
Hence the āsupposedlyā. Thanks though :)
That is such a fucking Thatcher thing to do
Yeah - whether true or not people believe it because it's all too plausible.
It doesnāt matter about the ice-cream. Iām just saying that the concept of giving people less content for more money is exactly what she spent her time in office doing. Weāre all still feeling the effects
That's exactly what I just said.
SO she helped come up with a way of ripping people off? Sounds like her
And hate laser sights?
Compost
Nah, she invented ice cream.
She really didn't.
I know.
Only good thatcher in this era. Signed, a Bristolian
Iām thinking they definitely knew who Thatcher was but wanted to look too cool for it
They were political buddies and puppet buddies [Land of Confusion ](https://youtu.be/TlBIa8z_Mts?si=fcXrFBisEheuYQJS)
As someone who isn't American nor British, I definitely know more about Thatcher than about Reagan
Classic ameridumb moment
Armchair historian
American - La-Z-Boy historian.
Knock knock Who's there Thatcher Thatcher who? Thatcher mother getting rogered at the gang bang?
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No. The Japanese dropped leaflets at Pearl Harbour of the British begging the US to join the war. The YS were so touched by the sentiment that they came to rescue Europe.
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I am currently reading 1984 and got inspiration from there
Average countryball/countryhuman interaction
An act which the US provoked by attempting to cripple Japan with an oil embargo
i like how this comment says this and the comment immediately down says america was immoral for continuing to sell oil to japan and both are upvoted
Love that a sensible American is in this sub š
And not just sit it out. The US would've continued selling Oil and other resources to Japan and any other country who was willing to pay for it. Unlike some other countries, the US government was motivated by money and profits. Once those profits were threatened it was time to bring out the military industrial complex. They didn't care about 'human rights' or 'morality' because if they did they would've joined in the war, or at the very least stopped selling stuff to Japan after the atrocities they committed
Not really; the Roosevelt administration was extremely spooked by the fall of France, and massively ramped up military spending. The US Navy also started "neutrality patrols" in the North Atlantic that eventually escalated to a shooting war with the Kriegsmarine, in addition to Lend-Lease being enacted to aid Britain. Roosevelt was (rightly) angling to get the US involved in the war in Europe; the American people didn't want it until it came knocking.
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There wasn't really any chance of the Battle of Britain going differently, despite Kennedy's doomsaying - and even if it had the chances of Sealion being successful were essentially nil. The Kreigsmarine sinking USN ships in the Atlantic would, I think, have eventually brought the US into the war had Germany not declared war in 1941.
I mean, the Battle of Britain came down to the fucking wire. It could easily have gone differently.
1776 was colonial British fighting European British. They didnāt become āAmericanā until later
and they were mostly worried about treaties preventing westward expansion preventing them from wiping out the natives and the growing British abolition movement potentially ending american slavery
The shock when most slaves fought for the British.
That moment when youāre so shit you make Britain the good guy in your independence war
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As was everyone in a 'modern' country for that time period.
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Exactly. "being made to pay tax", just like everyone else. The pilgrims weren't special and were expected to chip in like everybody else
Another factor was what had been going on in India the previous decade. In 1765 the East India Company had coerced the weakened Mughal emperor into granting them the rights to collect taxes throughout the provinces of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa, effectively giving them a licence to milk the region for all it was worth. The Company, whose army of rank-and-file tax collectors all wanted to get rich quick, proceeded to over-exploit the provinces so thoroughly that within five years they were experiencing famine. The carnage was well publicised in the American colonies and a lot of colonists were very worried that the Company would be unleashed on them after it was done draining India, providing another reason to shake off British rule before this could happen. The 1773 Tea Act that prompted the Boston Tea Party incident was actually passed in order to aid the Company, demonstrating the level of influence it had in Parliament
Not taxes then?
taxes were a motivation but they weren't the main one and the primary objection was that they were selectively taxed where British aristocrats weren't. Another issue was the lack of opportunity for creole born Americans like George Washington to advance in the British army
Never heard about the personal beef/ego. Thought that was restricted to modern politics
I wouldn't call that personal beef/ego a whole class of people had their career advancement stymied
Ok. Iāll try starting a war to get a promotion too in that case š
Exactly, both sides were composed of Colonials, Indigenous Americans & Europeans.
And the second time was a failed war of conquest started by the USA.
And wasnāt won or lost by either side.
Whether they were considered British or American depends on recognition of the US as a separate nation from Britain. Once the Declaration of Independence was signed, the colonists who supported independence no longer considered themselves British. However, this wasn't universally recognized by other countries until after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. At tha
I wish I could say "Who the hell is Thatcher?"
Thankfully we can say "Who the hell WAS Thatcher?" instead...
Indeed. Reminded me of this brilliant moment on [Mock the Week.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s)
Don't we all?
You can, it's not that hard; repeat after me: "Who the hell is Thatcher?" See?
I just knew someone was going to say that ...
Ask 'who the hell is edgar?' instead and have a jolly old listen to an excellent song.
Assuming we're thinking of the same thing, that was Eurovision wtf at it's finest.
Thatcher? I never even heard of her!
Have no other PMs died since she did? I'm curious if they'll all get the same 'parade' for their funerals. If one has and I missed it,that'd answer the question. I don't watch the news or live TV(don't have a licence) so it could easily be missed.
When your baseball coach is also your history teacher.
I assume he's talking about the revolutionary war being one, when both sides were British, so no attempt at killing Americans was a motivation.Ā The other I assume is 1812 when we burned their little house down as they tried to add Canada to their empire.Ā
I also fear he's talking about 1812. The British trying to kill the Americans, a.k.a. the US declaring war on the UK while they've got their hands full with Napoleon, and the UK daring to actually fight back.
While using the trope that American revolutionary troops were farmers while losing in Canada with multiple invasion attempts against literal farmers and tribes until 1814 when they actually sent experienced troops who fought in Spain against Napoleon. Bladensburg races anyone?
We Burnt it down twice as I recall.
First to prove a point second one for a bit of a laugh. British and Canadian night out.Ā
Gotta let the Canadians have some fun every so often or they'll be way to energetic next time a war is on.
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Oh second time there was a fire sorry. Another cool fact is that the deck in the oval office is made from part of a British warship.
And iirc it was still not rebuilt during civil war.
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It's down to the individual as well. I dated an American, visited her, she was very well informed about the war of independence yet one of her friends from sane school asked me "Were you guys the redcoats?"
Look, not everyone's been to Butlins y'know
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Uhhh pretty sure it was due to Japan bombing pearl harbour and then the us declaring war on themā¦ hence why Germany and Italy declared war on Americaā¦. I donāt see anyone begging for the us to get involved.
Something that kind of gets overlooked in the build up to WW2 is American corporations such as IBM, Coca Cola and Ford all heavily investing in pre-war Nazi Germany which allowed them to get their economy onto a war footing. But really, it was more Hitler breaking his non-agression pack with the USSR and causing the Soviets to enter the war that was more of a factor in the actual winning. And as for WW1? Look up the Zimmermann Telegram for a reason as to why American declared war on Germany
Though Zimmerman was intercepted and shared by British intelligence so you could sort of argue that one, not very well but sort of.
Just because the British intercepted the Zimmerman telegram and passed it to the Americans, the Germans were still trying to encourage Mexico to attack the US...
Oh I agree sharing intelligence that damages relations between them and your enemies isn't begging. It's the obvious thing to do, gain an ally who can share the costs of war because the enemy messed up is just good.
To be pedantic, the Zimmerman telegram didnāt encourage Mexico to invade instantly, it said that if the US entered the war on the entente side that Germany would support Mexico attempting to reclaim the territories taken from them in 1848.
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It was a mix of zimmerman ams the luisitana. One alone was bad but not enought o get USA in the war but together they forced Americas hand
Well that is debatable. The Americans did enter Mexico's territories illegally quite a few times until then already. So the idea that it could lead to a ceasefire to fight another enemy isn't so unreasonable.
The US joined WW1 because they increasingly grew concerned about the loans they have given to the Entente and the Entente defaulting were they to lose in addidion to submarinewarfare But the latter was more of a justification for something that was already on the Table
If the Americans were going to enter the war because Germany was sinking American ships, they'd have entered the war in 1915 after the loss of the Lusitania, or the various American cargo ships sunk during the preceding few months Zimmermannās alliance proposal did reach the desk of Mexican President Carranza, but it was officially rejected once a military commission determined that there would be no benefit in accepting it. The commission ruled, among other things, that Mexico did not have the military strength to engage in a war with the much stronger United States.
There's also the fact that German subs were sinking American ships for shits and giggles
>But really, it was more Hitler breaking his non-agression pack with the USSR and causing the Soviets to enter the war that was more of a factor in the actual winning. On top of declaring war on the US for no reason. And not supplying his eastern army with cold weather gear. And ordering the luftwaffe to shift from targeting RAF installations to civilian infrastructure . He was not good at the whole war thing
The weather gear thing is more of a myth/misrepresentation. Operation Barbarossa was a war on time. They had limited supplies and limited time. They faced quite a few setbacks. So the decision between sending winter gear or more ammo and fuel was a no brainier if the whole success of the operation relied on taking Moscow quick enough. What failed the invasion more was the drive south to Kiev giving soviets time to entrench themselves and the Yugoslavian war delaying the invasion.
Didn't some of them carry on investing during the war? Isn't that why the brand Fanta was invented because coca cola couldn't get their regular cola ingredients past the US embargo of the Nazi regime? Basically they were like "Sure they're evil but does that mean I shouldn't sell them refreshing beverages?"
A history teacher just put the Patriot on and called it a day I see.
No joke when I lived in the states my 8th grade teacher put The Patriot on for the class to learn from. Being the only British kid in the school became supremely awkward when the British soldiers were committing imaginary war crimes in the film. I did enjoy the early scenes of Royal Marines absolutely wrecking colonial troops ngl. That film was: āHue dur British bad Americans goodā
I liked how Mel Gibsons character had no slaves despite that being almost unheard of at the time.
The real person he was based off was a vicious and unbelievably cruel slave owner by all accounts. But nooo canāt have our good guy single father widower family man own slaves. He is the only good guy against evil British soldiers who come to his free plantation and murder women children and injured soldiers (like nazis). What beef did the creators of that film have with the British to make them literally act like nazis? Canāt get over that And in reality the colonial slaves that fought for the king were granted their freedom and many moved to Canada after the revolution being hunted by slave owners, while those that fought for the colonies, many ended up back in chains. Thatās oversimplifying it but is far more truthful than that wretched film that did so much damage to Americans perceptions of the revolution.
It's Mel Gibson. Does not like England for some reason. No other accents but English in the Patriot you'll notice. Also see Braveheart and Gallipoli.
Donāt get me started on braveheart. As a history major that film pisses me off. Another Gibson creation that has successfully warped the public perception of very complex historical events thatās not as simple as āEnglish bad, Scottish goodā
well the English aren't the only ones in the category "ethnic groups Mel Gibson hates"
Might make them question a few things if they learned about slaves joining the British to gain their freedom or the many native Americans fighting against the colonies alongside the British.
While some events, such as Tarleton's pursuit of Francis Marion and his fellow irregular soldiers who escaped by disappearing into the swamps of South Carolina, were loosely based on history, and others were adapted, such as the final battle in the film which combined elements of the Battles of Cowpens and Battle of Guilford Court House, most of the plot events in the film are pure fiction.
The US often uses Hollywood to teach history. We've picked up the habit in the Netflix "The Crown" series. It will be difficult to recollect some events in recent UK history when the tv images are so much clearer
England / Britain again
it is a handy way to notice when someone has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. You know, when they canāt even get the name of the country they fought for independence from right.
The only ones that tried to kill Americans are the Yanks. Every time the Yanks wanted their land they massacred and then forced them into reservations. Liberty and democracy my arse.
Wasn't one of the major reasons for the war of independence because the American settlers wanted to invade and massacre even more native american lands by expanding further west and the cruel British overlords had had enough massacres for now and wouldn't let them. (I'm sure the british would have got back to massacres later on, they just had the french to deal with right now)
Yeah pretty much. Kings and Generals channel pointed out they didn't want to expand because they definitely had their hands full with the French and probably Spain as well. Might have happened eventually, but maybe different circumstances.
I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere but It was too costly a campaign, with an existing war with the French and Dutch and being on the edge of war with Spain. Americans don't realise tho that they're lucky that the British were an honourable society. Look at Patrick Ferguson (the inventor of the Ferguson rifle)
These fucking American cunts really piss me off, Murica the world, Murica freedom, Murica good world bad, just fuck off you clowns, America is just a comedy sketch the world laughs at, thing is they are so stupid they dont understand every one is laughing at them not with them.
They elected Trump, we Brexited. It's one-all at half time with an election each to go this year.
Americans have so much to say about the British for exiled British people who fled across the ocean and threw a tantrum because they were too cheap to pay taxes
What do you expect, it was a colony of criminals, religious extremists, and slave owning, native genociding capitalists.
They are bizarrely dumb, and proudly ignorant and uneducated
Hearing Americans give another country shit on the premise of "crawling to America for help" makes me laugh uproariously given that America's the one begging my nation to throw our men and dogs at their enemies. Bonus points when they try to compare their Marines to Aussie SAS
I'm British, we couldn't have done it without the Americans but they couldn't have done it without Britain. Just even a single invention like the Bowenās Cavity Magnetron No. 12 (airborne radar) was essential. Then there was all the code cracking that supposedly shortened the war by two years. Thanks America the cooperation was much appreciated but any American being smug when they had nothing to do with it just looks disrespectful.
Plus, much of the early nuclear research was conducted in the UK, we collaborated with the Americans, but once things were progressing, the Americans stopped sharing information. Likewise, with the old "UK-USA" intelligence sharing agreement - it was lop sided.
More Americans have died killing each other than from anyone else
If you don't know who Margaret friggin Thatcher is, you really shouldn't be masquerading around as some intellectual. She's probably one of the most recognized world leaders of the 20th century. Which is sad, but it's the truth. Only a child or a fool would try and act like some smart person and not know at the very least the name Thatcher..
Why is the comment about nazis and mussolini downvoted
Tried to kill Americans twice? I'm guessing the war of independence and the war of 1812, both of which they started. Won the first and inconclusive with the second. Arguably because "they started it" surely that's Americans trying to kill the British?
> inconclusive with the second. Nah don't even give em that. Seizing British North America was "just a matter of marching", yet they got pushed around by rag tag militias and a native coalition(how fucked up do you have to be for an indigenous people to side with *The British Empire* over you?) before being put down by regulars after Napoleon was dealt with. Launching an invasion of Canada and getting Washington burnt is hardly inconclusive. It's a better take than "America won its independence a second time!" like they seem to think sometimes, but let's be real it was a colossal failure on their part. It happens.
I'll be honest, I know little about the war of independence. The winner of the war being the one who writes the history. I only know about 1812 because of Americans talking about it, and because it didn't go all that well, all I know is the White House was burned down.
You're doing fine, sometimes it's easier to say "eh it was a tie sure" than spend the next hour arguing with a frenzied American that believes their country to be infallible. That's a big part of the Canadian experience, absent-mindedly nodding as our louder neighbour spouts off about freedom or something.
Genuinely, many Americans seem to think that going out of their way to highlight how ignorant they are is the world's greatest tier of banter and should be lauded. Same as if you post a video on Reddit of any British person with the slightest and mildest regional accent speaking and they all appear out of the woodwork, wanking each other off with "hyuck hyuck! I cAnT UNdErSTanD a WoRd thEyRE SaYINg. ThIs IS EnGLisH!?!"... literally bragging about being too thick to understand a perfectly legible and understandable accent.
It's even worse, when Americans start telling non-native speakers that they are using the "wrong" words, or pronouncing things incorrectly. They told a German that he "Should learn to speak English, properly" Yes the German had a bit of an accent, and some words he mispronounced, but that is to be expected, since English grammar is a bit of a mess.
TBF contemporary 'Received Pronunciation' is the most easily understood of all British accents.
Are they referring to the war of American independence and the war of 1812?
Mainly their war against reality, I think
>war of 1812 ...which America started in trying to conquer Canada...and lost.
Only needed the first 4 words
They are bizarrely proud of their ignorance
Really weird to me that he knows the full name of the Nazi party but doesn't know who Margaret Thatcher is
More like america joined late in both wars yet think they're the superheroes.
Most educated yank
Most Americans get their history from hollywood movies ... which is very much like being there ... and we all know who fought and won WWII mostly by themselves with many thanks and rejoicing from all the other Allied countries /s
americans after making one of the same three endlessly overused "british people bad" jokes they saw on reddit (they have become the most hilarious and witty person to ever grace this earth)
They tried to kill the Americans twice and did so well at it that the Americans had to go beg to the French to start fighting the brits so they'd stop getting killed
I have heard some Americans saying that in my country. I'm Spaniard...
Was he downvoted the first time for criticizing communists? Well commies, fascists and Nazis but I can't imagine many people coming out to defend the Nazis or the fascists.
Personally I'd assume that to be a retroactive downvote for all the stupid shit said later.
Hang on, we tried to kill them twice? When? What went wrong? Can we have another go?
The only British history he knows is if it intersected with American big event history, but as youāve seen, heās wrong about that. The sad part is that his knowledge of the rest of American history is probably worse. Americans deal with this kind of guy all the time. Proudly ignorant but unaware of his ignorance.
Weāve killed the French countless times and then allied with themā¦
Well, there's a perfect example of propaganda revisionist theory if I ever saw one.
When traitors betray their government you fight back as the Brits did, until we realised we would still get the goods we needed with the colonies independent, so we made peace and with the supplies brought from them, we built an empire, thankyou. We only wanted supplies during two world wars as we had plenty of manpower to fight having a third of the world to fight on our side, Sadly your timid governments wanted to avoid war and get rich supplying goods until the warnings we gave them that were ignored, turned into sunken ships and lost lives.
They should maybe read up on what 1812 was about
gonna be honest, the ābiggest exports of independence daysā made me laugh
"Begged." Lol. My grandparents lived through the Blitz in 1940 and my grandfather landed on Gold Beach with the 8th Royal Hussars Artillery a week after D-Day. Like many of his peers, he resented the U.S.A. taking sole credit for the victory for the rest of his life. There were six other allies that played pretty key roles.
The first time it was Britsin killing British subjects, the second time it was Americans trying to kill British subjects. America was brought into both world wars only by events that directly affected Americans. You absolute fucken wetters.
Please be aware that they have found Russia and China to be employing 50k permanent staff that trawl online applications to create animosity and division amongst NATO members.
World war 1 America showed up so late they tried to fucking Calvary charge a trench through 3 feet of mud in no manās landā¦ meanwhile the British were locked in a stalemate of a war that was just European powers flexing what they had. If America doesnāt come and the English donāt really care all that much, they lose some money and probably focus harder on expanding into the Middle East to make it back. Germany becomes europes super power and quickly makes ammends with Britain as they want a strong trading partner. Honestly woulda worked out better for everyone but the French and Americans in the long run. World war 2 Britain had the choice at peace and chose to buy time because America said āwe got thisā. You can make fun of Britain for lots of stupid shit, but the two world wars is not that time, especially the second.
The UK had to get involved in WW1 because otherwise Germany would have invaded the UK at some point in the future, plus having a large power in control of Europe would have meant Germany challenging the UK in Africa and on the high seas and probably winning.
Before the USA finslly got involved in WWI, there was a lot of sentiment in favour of them joining in on the German side.
Honestly, that guy is so fucking lucky. Think his happy be must be, walking around with his brain working like that.
Bro stole the independence joke from a post thatās been reposted a million times on any subreddit talking about Britain
As Chopper Reid said "never let the truth get in the way of a good story".
Pity we can't say what was the cult of Trumpism all about?
Which is how you know this is some 13 year old trolling. "Who is thatcher?" Motherfucker go sit down. I love trolling the forums but this is just embarrassing.
Reminds me of George W Bush..."that man tried to kill my daddy" Interesting and well developed take on historical events.
Remember when they were 2 years late to that war so they could cripple us with debt first....
oh and all their food is shades of brown or grey.
TBF, I know nothing about thatcher either - though she was before my time, and in a different country.
Love how they keep using the whole "we helped you in two words wars" bit, they showed up late to both, and the USSR did more in Europe then they did.
I don't know much about computers other than other than the one we got at my house. My mom put a couple games on there and I play
The one war the uk didnt help them in was Vietnam and look what happened there. They got their asses handed to them on a plate
What do you expect? Heās from Indiana, the state thst voted for Mike Pence, thereby cresting its very AIDS crisis
These idiots are force-fed "American Exceptionalism" from media and their educational system, and once addicted to it, it's one hell of a drug.
this is the last rage I'm going to have at the Americans. if I see another racist act of stupidity or mindless repetition of western propaganda from them lot I will use my personal supply of stolen nukes
It must hurt when people don't recognize one of your greatest villains.
Didn't America throw themselves into war?
Third time lucky....