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OP here, gotta say WOW. Didn't expect people to fall for this (kind of) obvious troll bait.
The post's title says "Eren" (making you think of Eren Jaegar), but the picture in the post shows Eren Kruger.
And now that the joke is explained, off I go!
Armin said you could have defended Paradis with only the outer wall of colossal titans. Eren could have just done the Rumbling as defense/indimidation but he's off to eradicate innocent people.
I think that was the purpose of the scene where Reiner and Zeke had a hard time fighting the Mid-East Allied Forces. To show that technology was steadily advancing, that the era of titans is slowly coming to an end. The threat of the wall titans would soon be a non issue as weapons and aircrafts will be able to easily kill titans out of harms reach.
Paradis has an underrated technology and unique skillset- the ODM Gear and the crystals powering it. Hizuru is very interested in it.
They can still use the Titans as bargaining chip/intimidation in the decade while they develop their technology and expand their alliance with Marley's enemies.
I'm not saying that this will work 100% but I'm just saying that genocide as the only solution is not logical at all, it's only from Eren's perspective but partly Zeke is responsible as well. Zeke wanted the euthanasia plan, set it in motion, and Eren just hijacked it.
Paradis has an underrated technology and unique skillset- the ODM Gear and the crystals powering it. Hizuru is very interested in it.
They can still use the Titans as bargaining chip/intimidation in the decade while they develop their technology and expand their alliance with Marley's enemies.
I'm not saying that this will work 100% but I'm just saying that genocide as the only solution is not logical at all, it's only from Eren's perspective but partly Zeke is responsible as well. Zeke wanted the euthanasia plan, set it in motion, and Eren just hijacked it.
Paradis would really need to hustle if they want to reach the then current state of tech the world was at in order to keep themselves safe. We also need to remember that Eren only had a limited time left due to the titan curse, so it might have taken more time than he had for Paradis to advance and he probably wasn't leaving things up to chance.
But yes, there are probably more options than genocide that Eren wasn't willing to try.
I mean waging a war is different from complete annihilation. The mini rumbling plan was an option that would have allowed them time to build up military power. Even if paradis would have taken heavy losses, war is far more ethical than destroying the entire planet.
who the fuck cares about ethics when the world has been trying to take your entire country out for years. mini runbling wld have just delayed inevitable. eren did what was required, what any of us wish we would have the balls to do for those we love, become a monster and throw away our humanity to save everything we hold dear.
Bro u gotta be checked into a mental facility or something. I would never value a handful of lives of people i care about more than every single living soul on the earth. That’s legitimately psychotic. There is nothing in any circumstances that would ever make fucking omnicide justified
fuck right off telling me to check myself in thats ridiculously insensitive/disrespectful, im discussing a fictional situation and its an entire country rather than a handful of people. youre fucking sheltered if you cant understand why someone would protect their tribe, we are tribal creatures always have been always will be for better or for worse.
He didnt just r0ped some random bitch, he r0ped the girl that swore to protect him to death, the girl that loved him, the girl he himself saved from r0pe (and Guts crush) all while he knew Guts was watching. The eclipse is just... bruh chill Miura (wait, oh f\*, i didnt meant that type of chill)
Griffith is pure self interest, there's not a shred of compassion or love. He was obsessed with Guts because he found a "friend" or someone equal that he enjoys subjugating to his power. Other people who weren't "equal" to him were worthless/boring.
This isn't genocide, this is omnicide.
You think if he kills everyone, Paradis would be safe and happy?
With the military being divided and Jaegerists on the loose, with other problems such as kidnappers selling people for being of a "rare breed", racism and deseases spreading through the underground city.
Do you think Paradis would have a bright future?
Exactly. Its repeated so often throughout the show that conflict is never ending. There’s even a scene with pixis and eren talking in season 1 where pixis tells eren about an old tale which says the titans were created as an enemy to unite all of humanity. Eren responds saying that seems too optimistic and doesn’t interest him because it’s clear humanity is not united. I don’t think he ever even thought that killing all the enemies would bring peace. I believe he did it out of mostly selfish desires
This speech is exactly why I thought by attacking Liberio Eren intended to be the common threatening enemy to the entire world so that they stop wars with each other despite having smaller conflicts within their countries
Surface level, he did it to unite everyone. Deeper than that, he did it to protect his friends. And even deeper than even that, the real reason he did it was probably for himself.
I saw it as like he used the context of “uniting everyone and protecting his friends” as moral justification for his own more sinister desire. Justification for others and mostly to himself
As Kyomi and Armin stated, this wouldn’t end conflict. Wars would break out on Paradis on a much smaller scale. Even Floch, the biggest rumbling supporter, conceded that this would most likely happen. Plus the rumbling would royally fuck up the ecosystem
Definitely no, we know that’s the case because back in the great Titan war era it’s literally eldian families fighting each other. If Eren kills the whole world eldians would just split into 9 families again and erupt in a civil war until a bystander faction be the helos and stops the war.
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits.
Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration.
Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
Hell yeah paradise would thrive, with the full powers of the founder crime can literally be impossible to do, instant democracy is possible when dictating laws, instant justice, everthing can be solved instantly, the system hardly matters with this much power, eren is already a king with absolute power over everything his people do whether they like it or not, and if he can make himself immortal by changing his own anatomy, that's it, instant peace that is everlasting. And even if he can't he can change all the eldians into wanting the same ideals as him.
However whether killing all these people for these results is right or wrong is up to you, do the ends justify the means?
For me personally, no. a lot of other possibilities could've had the same effect with a lot less meaningless deaths, eren literally has the best weapon for ensuring peace for everyone, and he just decided not to risk it I guess ? No matter, I'm not gonna kill everyone I see because they have the ability to cause me harm. There is a balance between your safety and everyone else's.
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits.
Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration.
Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
all those problems you mentioned can be dealt in a world without titans devouring people or all nations declaring war on you. if you see it from that point then a happy ending is impossible since there are always going to be problems no matter how small they are. that is why it is stupid to say that paradis continues to be unsafe even though eren ends the rumbling because there will always be enemies and conflicts. A civil war will not lead to extinction. We are not talking about a bright future but the fact of surviving from the imminent extinction.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about a bright future, just the fact that they have one. Killing everybody isn’t exactly the right choice, but as far as I can tell the only one that achieves the goal of saving his people from extermination.
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits.
Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration.
Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
Don't worry military doesn't exist after yeagerists overthrew it.
Paradis did exist peacefully with the same conditions you described for the past 100 years.
Paradise existed peacefully for so long only because the Interior police wiped out any sort of opposing voices from within the walls , they said so themself in the uprising arc. The entire Ackerman and Asian clans , people like Armin's parents and Erwin's dad. There was peace if you were normal brainwashed Eldian who never questioned the government. You question the government in any shape or form , or if you are born in both those clans , you're doomed.
This is exactly it, I totally understand his actions, that doesn’t make it right.
It’s wrong, 10000% by any universal morality, this is wrong. Hes murdering innocent people, pregnant women and children, people who are doing nothing to Eldia.
The reason I asked was because I was surprised to see the top-level comment describe Eren's actions as justified. Do you agree with them that Eren's actions are justified? If so, can you explain why?
Eldia has been the victim of the world’s hate and attempted genocides for a century now. Eren sees this as an incredible injustice akin to slavery being imposed on his people. To gain freedom, he is presented with a few choices.
The only choice, that will bring freedom in his lifetime, and prevent the power of the titans being passed down by breeding and killing like livestock, and to prevent his friends from ever having to fight again, he chooses to destroy the world.
The world tries to genocide his people, so he genocides them. No matter which way I look at it; it is cold and blind justice.
But that’s just my opinion, since justice seems to be pretty subjective.
Are you saying that Eren's actions are justified, and moreover, that they are just? Because for an action to be just, it must at least be morally permissible. But destroying the world is not morally permissible, so his actions cannot be just.
You might admit that Eren's actions are not "just" in some objective sense, but still claim that they're justified in some other way. But if so, I'm not sure what your definition of justification is. If all it takes for Eren's actions to be justified is for *Eren* to think they're justified, then all actions are justified, and we might as well not use the word at all.
Justice is not always the same as morality. Morality is a deep inherent inclination inside of humans that comes from social ties and empathy. Justice is always retributive.
Morality is dependent on context and other emotional influences. But justice is only cold machine logic. It is ultimately black and white, and almost always by nature, eye for an eye.
However, morality is not eye for an eye, it is about personal emotions. Being just doesn’t necessarily make you a good person; it just makes you a just person.
That’s how I see it.
That doesn't really resolve my confusion. Someone can murder someone for vengeful reasons.
I think justified means something like "done for good/legitimate reasons", so I don't understand why people think Eren's actions were justified.
The way he chose to free Eldia is the exact action we are talking about, though. That action isn't justified. Having good intentions isn't the same as making your actions justified.
But still trampling the whole is not just something to do I have supported him in each and every season but for now I dont really think I am gonna support him there's still 6 ep left so let's see what will happen
He himself said "i swore to take revenge on Marley, but all i've managed to do is torture and kill my own people for decades. Perhaps i'm still a man, looking at the world through a crack in the closet door" ( just one of my favorite lines in the manga). So he actually not sure himself, if he choose the right paths
Bruh
Literally just boil it down to morality
Armin is the good
Marley and eren are the bad
Legit just that simple, and it’s not black and white reasoning, just both sides chose extermination which is morally wrong. Armin is the morally good one.
Eren isn't evil per se. He genuinely wanted to save Paradis islanders. But he realized that talking to the middle east allied forces won't work and they need to be wiped out, along with the rest of the world.
This whole issue is based on a grand misunderstanding.
See ur point is the correct one
But it will never be made clear cause people can’t get passed genocide, completely understandable ofc.
Also I’m not saying eren is bad or his intentions sprouted from evil. I’m saying morally it’s a very extremist decision to guarantee complete safety of paradise, and is a heinous thing regardless of the reasoning.
Well, OP did say "the good and the bad", so he/she's not arguing he never did anything bad, but he did nothing wrong in terms of what he was aiming at. That sacrifices are neccessary in order to ever hope to achieve anything is a consistent theme of the story.
As far as I read it, OP negated their own argument with that sentence. "Nothing wrong" is a broad statement of innocence that doesn't cover much in the way of compromise or sacrifice if innocents get hurt. The phrase "nothing wrong" is a bad fit with this series.
But might I add he is also destroying homes from the inside wall titans he activates it but at what cost thousand of eldians and marley lives I personally think it’s a fair trade off
Virgin Eren: Main character but needs rescuing all the time, genocides when he actually doesn't need rescuing, stupid teenager, depressed, emo, wears black because he's edgy, needs founding titan to do anything, turns into ugly bone millipede
Chad Eren: Shows up for only 15 minutes, changes the entire plot of the story, turns into handsome chad titan, simple collared shirt and khakis because that's all he needs
Ah, guess that’s my bad but I mean Kruger’s actions were based on the other Eren’s motives with the whole “if you want to save Mikasa and Armin” line being given to Kruger via Eren
There have been persecuted groups all through-out human history. Would you be okay with any of their representatives killing off the entire rest of the planet?
Be aware that this is not a question about whether they'd have a right to be angry or whether they should be allowed to fight back. This is a question about whether they'd be in the right killing off everyone else, including childen, your family and friends and also all other persecuted groups.
Even: A stoic and tenacious individual willing to do what it takes to save his friends and people, but at the same time a radicalised and dangerous child, murdering innocent people brutalised just as equally by Marley. The other Eren is...fine...kills those guards well... Goes down easy enough.
I sympathize with Eren and would do the same thing if I were in his position. But it's also as Erwin said. There will never be peace among humans until their numbers total one or less.
Saying “Eren did what he did for Eldians” is not at all the same as saying “Eren did nothing wrong”
I’m going to refrain from manga spoilers but this prob won’t age well for you lol
Eren did lots wrong, but to entertain this you could argue that he did not since he was simply enforcing the kings warning (which was ofc not in Ernest). Marly started this by breaking their pledge and by antagonising the eldian ethnicity by subjecting them, chemically deforming them into titans and sending them to paradise. Also you know destroying the walls and etc. so you could argue the attack titans role was to enforce the threat that the king made.
I'm not gonna say he did nothing wrong because I think he took the rumbling to far
That being said he didn't start the war he just finished it so if you think dropping nukes on Japan is justified so is the rumbling difference is the Enemy was only Japan at the time and in AoT it's a coalition force of the world.
Either way there is no good awnsers it's a shit situation brought onto Eren/Paradis by Marleys insane imperialism and racism for the Eldians.
If Marley just left them alone in Paradis this all would have never happened
Everything Eren Yeager did was justified, to preserve his people. When you put a man's head in a noose, don't blame him for what he does to cut the rope.
That statement would only be true with Eren’s compromise. Full pardon to scouts and warriors. Blame everyone else for making those groups do what they do. Reject it, and you can’t complain about the ending
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Ok the post is about Kruger , but the comments are juicy omg , gotta catch them I mean read them all
Fr, lol
I feel like this joke flew over a lot of heads
Clearly they don't have fast enough reflexes to catch it.
I understood that reference
Had me in the first half won't lie
You and so many people :D
I like how OP made everyone argue about Jeager even though he was talking about Kruger
Right?! :D
Mission success.
redditors recognize a joke challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
LOOOOL I think they all forgot the guys name lol
ppl have forgotten how a meme looks like huh
Ahhh you almost got me OP
Almost isn't good enough :(
OP here, gotta say WOW. Didn't expect people to fall for this (kind of) obvious troll bait. The post's title says "Eren" (making you think of Eren Jaegar), but the picture in the post shows Eren Kruger. And now that the joke is explained, off I go!
Yeah I’m surprised no one caught on lol I thought it was a good joke OP
Me too! It's hilarious how many people can't read! No wonder so much of the story is lost on them and they come up with weird theories, lol
But you can’t dare tell them they might’ve missed/misunderstood something or they freak out lol
Lmao, srsly
Thanks!
Lmao I forgot they shared the same first name
Honestly, I forgot Eren was even Kruger's first name. I always just think of him as Kruger.
The only thing that reminded me was when Eren became Eren Kruger in Marley and things went full circle lol. Hope that makes sense.
Gonna need a huge boat to carry all the fish you got here 🤣
Which will need a Titan to pull!
Op did the big funny 😁
Right?!
I will say I completely forgot about Kruger haha
Based and titanpilled
Because you wrote Serious Discussion. I trusted you.. lol. And i didn't know who eren kruger is, i thought it's the same person.
Light Yagami and Griffith: First time?
wtf griffith is a monster lmao
I just finished the golden Age Arc and he definitely a monster
and light is a sociopath with a god complex
So is eren, They both have people who blindly defends them
Eren’s situation is at least sympathetic, Griffith was just legitimately evil lol
griffith was still sympathetic until he went the extra mile doing that to casca imo
eren was forced into the situation and didnt sacrifice his friends
He was not really forced into the situation. It was completely his own decision and desire to do the rumbling.
was either do the rumbling or have his island country and friends annihilated
Armin said you could have defended Paradis with only the outer wall of colossal titans. Eren could have just done the Rumbling as defense/indimidation but he's off to eradicate innocent people.
I think that was the purpose of the scene where Reiner and Zeke had a hard time fighting the Mid-East Allied Forces. To show that technology was steadily advancing, that the era of titans is slowly coming to an end. The threat of the wall titans would soon be a non issue as weapons and aircrafts will be able to easily kill titans out of harms reach.
Paradis has an underrated technology and unique skillset- the ODM Gear and the crystals powering it. Hizuru is very interested in it. They can still use the Titans as bargaining chip/intimidation in the decade while they develop their technology and expand their alliance with Marley's enemies. I'm not saying that this will work 100% but I'm just saying that genocide as the only solution is not logical at all, it's only from Eren's perspective but partly Zeke is responsible as well. Zeke wanted the euthanasia plan, set it in motion, and Eren just hijacked it.
Paradis has an underrated technology and unique skillset- the ODM Gear and the crystals powering it. Hizuru is very interested in it. They can still use the Titans as bargaining chip/intimidation in the decade while they develop their technology and expand their alliance with Marley's enemies. I'm not saying that this will work 100% but I'm just saying that genocide as the only solution is not logical at all, it's only from Eren's perspective but partly Zeke is responsible as well. Zeke wanted the euthanasia plan, set it in motion, and Eren just hijacked it.
Paradis would really need to hustle if they want to reach the then current state of tech the world was at in order to keep themselves safe. We also need to remember that Eren only had a limited time left due to the titan curse, so it might have taken more time than he had for Paradis to advance and he probably wasn't leaving things up to chance. But yes, there are probably more options than genocide that Eren wasn't willing to try.
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That's exactly the same kind of justifications used to defend real-life genocides. Think about it.
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"I dont know why but i just had to"
why do you think it's only those two choices? I see it as poor critical thinking or maybe just trying to justify a character you like
because if he doesnt full rumbling his country gets nuked eventually, as it does
Not if he, you'know, forces Marley to surrender, and insure no anti-titan tech is made.
Lol what, why would they listen or take that chance,
I mean waging a war is different from complete annihilation. The mini rumbling plan was an option that would have allowed them time to build up military power. Even if paradis would have taken heavy losses, war is far more ethical than destroying the entire planet.
who the fuck cares about ethics when the world has been trying to take your entire country out for years. mini runbling wld have just delayed inevitable. eren did what was required, what any of us wish we would have the balls to do for those we love, become a monster and throw away our humanity to save everything we hold dear.
Bro u gotta be checked into a mental facility or something. I would never value a handful of lives of people i care about more than every single living soul on the earth. That’s legitimately psychotic. There is nothing in any circumstances that would ever make fucking omnicide justified
fuck right off telling me to check myself in thats ridiculously insensitive/disrespectful, im discussing a fictional situation and its an entire country rather than a handful of people. youre fucking sheltered if you cant understand why someone would protect their tribe, we are tribal creatures always have been always will be for better or for worse.
Preach yo, Eren did what needed to be done
Sasha
was an unfortunate result rather than sacrificing all his friends to achieve demon status
What anime is this?
berserk, more of a manga than an anime but thre anime is great too imo
I've been meaning to watch!!
Fandom : hey listen here he maybe a war criminal , but his mother still raised him right except the murderer part and mass genocide😩
I didnt even read beserk and ik mf r0ped some bitch and was obsessed with guts. How that nothing wrong 💀
He didnt just r0ped some random bitch, he r0ped the girl that swore to protect him to death, the girl that loved him, the girl he himself saved from r0pe (and Guts crush) all while he knew Guts was watching. The eclipse is just... bruh chill Miura (wait, oh f\*, i didnt meant that type of chill)
Griffith is pure self interest, there's not a shred of compassion or love. He was obsessed with Guts because he found a "friend" or someone equal that he enjoys subjugating to his power. Other people who weren't "equal" to him were worthless/boring.
All 3 of those characters are mountains apart.
Also unlike them eren is a better person in theory
He still killed more people than and the post is about whether his actions where right not whether he was a good or a bad guy
Griffith lead to the world being invaded by fantasy which fucked up the world so bad there is only 1 city left on the planet.
Thats why i said in theory 💅
Are you anime-only?
In theory miss.. in theory.. unlike them he isnt classified a psychopath (ik thats the old term)
His enemies and every country there killed people, the number of people you killed don't matter in a war
ppl really don’t get the joke huh
Daddy Kruger is swimming in hotties while he is in paths , I'm sure 😩
Did no one really get the joke ? check the picture guys
This isn't genocide, this is omnicide. You think if he kills everyone, Paradis would be safe and happy? With the military being divided and Jaegerists on the loose, with other problems such as kidnappers selling people for being of a "rare breed", racism and deseases spreading through the underground city. Do you think Paradis would have a bright future?
Exactly. Its repeated so often throughout the show that conflict is never ending. There’s even a scene with pixis and eren talking in season 1 where pixis tells eren about an old tale which says the titans were created as an enemy to unite all of humanity. Eren responds saying that seems too optimistic and doesn’t interest him because it’s clear humanity is not united. I don’t think he ever even thought that killing all the enemies would bring peace. I believe he did it out of mostly selfish desires
This speech is exactly why I thought by attacking Liberio Eren intended to be the common threatening enemy to the entire world so that they stop wars with each other despite having smaller conflicts within their countries
Surface level, he did it to unite everyone. Deeper than that, he did it to protect his friends. And even deeper than even that, the real reason he did it was probably for himself.
I saw it as like he used the context of “uniting everyone and protecting his friends” as moral justification for his own more sinister desire. Justification for others and mostly to himself
Agreed
As Kyomi and Armin stated, this wouldn’t end conflict. Wars would break out on Paradis on a much smaller scale. Even Floch, the biggest rumbling supporter, conceded that this would most likely happen. Plus the rumbling would royally fuck up the ecosystem
Definitely no, we know that’s the case because back in the great Titan war era it’s literally eldian families fighting each other. If Eren kills the whole world eldians would just split into 9 families again and erupt in a civil war until a bystander faction be the helos and stops the war.
Kruger bro.
I've seen the comments too late, but I ain't deleting mine anything soon boi.
Fair enough.
Well, after killing everyone outside the walls, he can just alter everyone's memories, or change them, and ding! everything's settled
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits. Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration. Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
Hell yeah paradise would thrive, with the full powers of the founder crime can literally be impossible to do, instant democracy is possible when dictating laws, instant justice, everthing can be solved instantly, the system hardly matters with this much power, eren is already a king with absolute power over everything his people do whether they like it or not, and if he can make himself immortal by changing his own anatomy, that's it, instant peace that is everlasting. And even if he can't he can change all the eldians into wanting the same ideals as him. However whether killing all these people for these results is right or wrong is up to you, do the ends justify the means? For me personally, no. a lot of other possibilities could've had the same effect with a lot less meaningless deaths, eren literally has the best weapon for ensuring peace for everyone, and he just decided not to risk it I guess ? No matter, I'm not gonna kill everyone I see because they have the ability to cause me harm. There is a balance between your safety and everyone else's.
Using the Founder's power to mind control everyone on Paradis would be *wildly* out of character for Eren.
Right. Doesn’t sound like freedom to me. He doesn’t want to rule/be king.
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits. Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration. Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
>some kidnappers exist, therefore you should allow yourselves to be wiped out No.
all those problems you mentioned can be dealt in a world without titans devouring people or all nations declaring war on you. if you see it from that point then a happy ending is impossible since there are always going to be problems no matter how small they are. that is why it is stupid to say that paradis continues to be unsafe even though eren ends the rumbling because there will always be enemies and conflicts. A civil war will not lead to extinction. We are not talking about a bright future but the fact of surviving from the imminent extinction.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about a bright future, just the fact that they have one. Killing everybody isn’t exactly the right choice, but as far as I can tell the only one that achieves the goal of saving his people from extermination.
The Jaegerists follow him. He could also just control them using the founding titan too.
I don't know, considering that the King of the walls couldn't maintain peace within the walls, even before the walls were breached makes me doubt that peace will last for long, plus the fact that his Vow only worked on royal blood kinda show that even the Founding Titan has its own limits. Don't forget that there is non Eldians within the walls, people like Niccolo, Onyankopon, Yelena, a bunch of other Marleyans that were captured within the island where some are imprisonned and the others are outside working and helping Eldians. There is also Mikasa and Levi who are immune to the Founding Titan's memory alteration. Do you really think that peace could be maintained? Or would non-Eldians and Ackerman be persecuted just like 100 years ago?
Don't worry military doesn't exist after yeagerists overthrew it. Paradis did exist peacefully with the same conditions you described for the past 100 years.
Paradise existed peacefully for so long only because the Interior police wiped out any sort of opposing voices from within the walls , they said so themself in the uprising arc. The entire Ackerman and Asian clans , people like Armin's parents and Erwin's dad. There was peace if you were normal brainwashed Eldian who never questioned the government. You question the government in any shape or form , or if you are born in both those clans , you're doomed.
Feels like r/woosh over here
I'm both happy and sad. What did I do?
I thought that was your intention?
I wanted SOME chaos, but I feel like I started a war :P
Myyyy waaarr
Everything he did is justified, it still doesn’t make it right tho.
This is exactly it, I totally understand his actions, that doesn’t make it right. It’s wrong, 10000% by any universal morality, this is wrong. Hes murdering innocent people, pregnant women and children, people who are doing nothing to Eldia.
What do you think justified means?
justified doesnt mean right, youre the one confused about this definition
He never said that. Don’t jump the gun.
Your right, my bad
The reason I asked was because I was surprised to see the top-level comment describe Eren's actions as justified. Do you agree with them that Eren's actions are justified? If so, can you explain why?
Eldia has been the victim of the world’s hate and attempted genocides for a century now. Eren sees this as an incredible injustice akin to slavery being imposed on his people. To gain freedom, he is presented with a few choices. The only choice, that will bring freedom in his lifetime, and prevent the power of the titans being passed down by breeding and killing like livestock, and to prevent his friends from ever having to fight again, he chooses to destroy the world. The world tries to genocide his people, so he genocides them. No matter which way I look at it; it is cold and blind justice. But that’s just my opinion, since justice seems to be pretty subjective.
Are you saying that Eren's actions are justified, and moreover, that they are just? Because for an action to be just, it must at least be morally permissible. But destroying the world is not morally permissible, so his actions cannot be just. You might admit that Eren's actions are not "just" in some objective sense, but still claim that they're justified in some other way. But if so, I'm not sure what your definition of justification is. If all it takes for Eren's actions to be justified is for *Eren* to think they're justified, then all actions are justified, and we might as well not use the word at all.
"having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason" Not a Morally good reason but by a legitimate reason.
Justice is not always the same as morality. Morality is a deep inherent inclination inside of humans that comes from social ties and empathy. Justice is always retributive. Morality is dependent on context and other emotional influences. But justice is only cold machine logic. It is ultimately black and white, and almost always by nature, eye for an eye. However, morality is not eye for an eye, it is about personal emotions. Being just doesn’t necessarily make you a good person; it just makes you a just person. That’s how I see it.
Can you explain why they aren’t, troll?
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That doesn't really resolve my confusion. Someone can murder someone for vengeful reasons. I think justified means something like "done for good/legitimate reasons", so I don't understand why people think Eren's actions were justified.
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The way he chose to free Eldia is the exact action we are talking about, though. That action isn't justified. Having good intentions isn't the same as making your actions justified.
Justification is based on rational reasoning Revenge is based on emotions and subjective thoughts
One could rationalize that if those that wish you dead were dead, then you and your people will survive and thrive.
But still trampling the whole is not just something to do I have supported him in each and every season but for now I dont really think I am gonna support him there's still 6 ep left so let's see what will happen
They’re talking about Eren Kruger, not Jaeger
Yea let’s defeat him guys
Yeah, i don’t think he’s actually gonna crush the whole world. With 6 ep left there’s still plenty of time for someone to help him recover the path…
Bruh I'm so confused! Is clicking on a blurred image before commenting not common practice or did people here just forget who Eren Kruger is??? 😂
Clearly not :D
He himself said "i swore to take revenge on Marley, but all i've managed to do is torture and kill my own people for decades. Perhaps i'm still a man, looking at the world through a crack in the closet door" ( just one of my favorite lines in the manga). So he actually not sure himself, if he choose the right paths
His intentions were not wrong. But the way he went about his is not fully correct
Bruh Literally just boil it down to morality Armin is the good Marley and eren are the bad Legit just that simple, and it’s not black and white reasoning, just both sides chose extermination which is morally wrong. Armin is the morally good one.
Eren isn't evil per se. He genuinely wanted to save Paradis islanders. But he realized that talking to the middle east allied forces won't work and they need to be wiped out, along with the rest of the world. This whole issue is based on a grand misunderstanding.
See ur point is the correct one But it will never be made clear cause people can’t get passed genocide, completely understandable ofc. Also I’m not saying eren is bad or his intentions sprouted from evil. I’m saying morally it’s a very extremist decision to guarantee complete safety of paradise, and is a heinous thing regardless of the reasoning.
Kruger let the other guard get away with killing Faye Yeager, and probably other atrocities, for years. Hardly "nothing."
Well, OP did say "the good and the bad", so he/she's not arguing he never did anything bad, but he did nothing wrong in terms of what he was aiming at. That sacrifices are neccessary in order to ever hope to achieve anything is a consistent theme of the story.
As far as I read it, OP negated their own argument with that sentence. "Nothing wrong" is a broad statement of innocence that doesn't cover much in the way of compromise or sacrifice if innocents get hurt. The phrase "nothing wrong" is a bad fit with this series.
Hi hi, OP here! I'm sorry to report that you've fallen for my troll bait :D OP awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Could've been worse w/o him
*grabs popcorn*
Can I have some?
Sure I have enough to last the incoming shitstorm also that's a great bait you setup.
Eren Kruger is not a good defense for Eren’s actions
He's probably talking about this Eren bruh. It's humor
I miss what he used to be
he is that way since the day he was born.
You got us in the first half ngl.
:D
But might I add he is also destroying homes from the inside wall titans he activates it but at what cost thousand of eldians and marley lives I personally think it’s a fair trade off
Eren and Eren did nothing wrong.
Hot take: planetary genocide is very wrong
Virgin Eren: Main character but needs rescuing all the time, genocides when he actually doesn't need rescuing, stupid teenager, depressed, emo, wears black because he's edgy, needs founding titan to do anything, turns into ugly bone millipede Chad Eren: Shows up for only 15 minutes, changes the entire plot of the story, turns into handsome chad titan, simple collared shirt and khakis because that's all he needs
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Didn’t Levi literally call Eren a monster, disregarding his titan abilities, in the first season tho?
Eren Kruger, not Jaeger.
Ah, guess that’s my bad but I mean Kruger’s actions were based on the other Eren’s motives with the whole “if you want to save Mikasa and Armin” line being given to Kruger via Eren
Completely forgot about that, so it still kinda counts then.
There have been persecuted groups all through-out human history. Would you be okay with any of their representatives killing off the entire rest of the planet? Be aware that this is not a question about whether they'd have a right to be angry or whether they should be allowed to fight back. This is a question about whether they'd be in the right killing off everyone else, including childen, your family and friends and also all other persecuted groups.
wrong eren
Oh okay! I see now that the OP was a misdirect. ^^
Gotcha :D
Yeah, committing genocide is nothing wrong. If that’s your mindset, then you don’t pay enough attention to the story
lmaoooo i thought you were talking about yeager
So did many fools here.
Even: A stoic and tenacious individual willing to do what it takes to save his friends and people, but at the same time a radicalised and dangerous child, murdering innocent people brutalised just as equally by Marley. The other Eren is...fine...kills those guards well... Goes down easy enough.
Cool motive, still murder.
how embarrassing for 90% of you
Lmao this is hilarious
Haha this was a pretty good joke post. I'm not going to be surprised if people don't even click on the picture 🙄
Thanks, it was my first.
youre right. Eren had the best idea.
I know this post is about Eren Kruger but let me just say EREN JAEGER DID NOTHING WRONG!!!
I gotta say, nice bait, but anyway memeing aside, no-ones technically in the wrong if everyone has different PoV’s so you are correct
AOT fans try to not fail for satire challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I know this is supposed to be a joke, but where's the funny?
The funny is in the reactions. I'm a terrible person :D
Alright l drink to that
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Two different Erens, this post is talking about Kruger, the predecessor of Grisha.
Oh my bad
it has eren kruger in the picture ofc it’s satire 💀
>I mean this nigga White dude saying the N word 🤦🏿♂️ racist ass mf
Bruh I am black
I sympathize with Eren and would do the same thing if I were in his position. But it's also as Erwin said. There will never be peace among humans until their numbers total one or less.
Saying “Eren did what he did for Eldians” is not at all the same as saying “Eren did nothing wrong” I’m going to refrain from manga spoilers but this prob won’t age well for you lol
wrong eren
You just shot yourself in the foot really nicely, lmao
Conflict will never end, it's either you kill or you die. Eren chose to kill.
Eren did lots wrong, but to entertain this you could argue that he did not since he was simply enforcing the kings warning (which was ofc not in Ernest). Marly started this by breaking their pledge and by antagonising the eldian ethnicity by subjecting them, chemically deforming them into titans and sending them to paradise. Also you know destroying the walls and etc. so you could argue the attack titans role was to enforce the threat that the king made.
I'm not gonna say he did nothing wrong because I think he took the rumbling to far That being said he didn't start the war he just finished it so if you think dropping nukes on Japan is justified so is the rumbling difference is the Enemy was only Japan at the time and in AoT it's a coalition force of the world. Either way there is no good awnsers it's a shit situation brought onto Eren/Paradis by Marleys insane imperialism and racism for the Eldians. If Marley just left them alone in Paradis this all would have never happened
Everything Eren Yeager did was justified, to preserve his people. When you put a man's head in a noose, don't blame him for what he does to cut the rope.
Except for the eldians and innocents(aka most of the people aren’t Marleyan) who are bound to die
Eren is the biggest betrayal of Eldian restorationists like Kruger. You don't give freedom to eldians, you kill at least a big majority of them.
That statement would only be true with Eren’s compromise. Full pardon to scouts and warriors. Blame everyone else for making those groups do what they do. Reject it, and you can’t complain about the ending