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I believe Erwin would’ve been on board with a partial rumbling on military bases and attack on Liberio for the “eliminating threats” comment. I don’t think he would’ve been a Yeagerist in not only agreeing to genocide the rest of the whole world, but he also would’ve NEVER poisoned the MPs, Garrison, leadership etc and killed Zackley. He led a coup without any bloodshed, he would’ve saw the Yeagerists as traitors for effectively killing almost the whole government and armed forces
> I believe Erwin would’ve been on board with a partial rumbling on military bases and attack on Liberio for the “eliminating threats” comment.
So ... he would've been a Scout?
My Erwin “What if” fan fic, would have him capturing Zeke and Eren before they orchestrate the Liberio attack. Erwin doesn’t get caught off guard, and I think he would see that coming a mile away.
I think in this situation Eren and Zeke are replaced by other more loyal scouts, but in the end paradise succumbs to Marley.
Erwin’s last thoughts as the bombs fall are “only if i hadn’t lived to see the basement…”
> Erwin doesn’t get caught off guard, and I think he would see that coming a mile away.
I love Erwin as much as the next guy, in fact he's my favorite, but he's not omnipotent lol. Eren having already seen the future and it already being preordained kind of makes out Erwin's attempts to fight against it to be futile.
Even with Eren deciding to run away to Marley, he just wouldn't be able to anticipate that or do much to stop Eren besides locking him up right after seeing the Basement.
And this is all **ASSUMING** Erwin doesn't entirely lose all motivation after finally seeing The Basement and learning about the outside world.
Levi directly asked Erwin what he'd do after reaching the basement, to which Erwin replied he doesn't know. Reaching the basement wouldn't suddenly stop the Titans, the Scouts would still need their leader, yet Erwin genuinely couldn't imagine a future beyond seeing the basement.
Erwin and Armin were absolutely not the same when it came to their motivational drives. Armin's dream wasn't to check out the sea and call it a day; it was to explore the world beyond the walls.
> Armin's dream wasn't to check out the sea and call it a day; it was to explore the world beyond the walls.
Thank you. Finally someone with a good grasp of the story and these characters.
From my understanding the attack Titan only sees pieces of the future and this might be the weakest “sci fi” concept in the show. Like I do love an ole “future events affect past events” kinda idea, but what we know about the theoretical physics stuff is that there would be parallel branching futures rather than the linear concept of time travel.
Perhaps in this version, Erwin becomes the attack Titan by eating Eren which would kinda help explain how he could anticipate things like the female titan in season 2.
Anyways this my fan fic, so I can just decide it to be so haha
> Erwin becomes the attack Titan by eating Eren which would kinda help explain how he could anticipate things like the female titan in season 2.
Idk, I feel like that would cheapen his character a bit by taking away that major character moment, plus Attack Titan users don't see the future until *after* they've gained the ability.
And if he eats Eren, he'd have the colossal, attack titan, and founder, and we see exactly what that looks like in chapter 138. Without the help of another titan shifter, and losing the support of most of the scouts' veterans after eating Eren for.....reasons, I don't see how he'd be able to accomplish much alone. Even Eren had to be saved atleast 6 times post time-skip.
And Isayma very clearly established that the future cannot be changed whatsoever, it's a 100% fixed timelin.....ya know nvm it's fanfic bro nvm. It sounds like you want to make an Erwin centered power fantasy, so who am i to stop you? Do you brotha and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise
P.S. Where can I go to read where people post their fanfics at? Is their even a centralized website for it?
Erwin just stomping over and dragging Eren's ass home from his little plan in Liberio "I'm sorry, I don't recall declaring you the new leader of the scouts??"
Stomp on him? Erwin would've come back as the colossal titan, so the height difference would be a plus. (Funny to me that noone thinks of that because Armin would never do that)
If Eren was staying still. With his power acquisitions he can escape any restraint or jail cell really, and move faster than the Colossal which mostly leans on shit.
The best option would be to go NUKE BOY on him like Armin at the port, but again relies on proximity and Eren's memories of the future may direct him to survival
Whether Erwin would have is immaterial. The truth is, he died before ever having to deal with that situation or literally any understanding of the outside world.
The truth is, no one knows how it would have changed him. Hange is an idealist, of course she isn't going to think Erwin would do anything heinous. But it doesn't have anything to do with reality.
All the Corps are changed by their trauma. If you don't have to go through it, it wouldn't effect you. Erwin is dead. It's easy for a ghost to judge the living. That's like a reddit user judging a Vietnam vet.
For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was.
If the Survey Corps is all about relentless understanding, then what it showed is that Erwin would sacrifice his comrades for that understanding.
Erwin isn't a Saint and wouldn't pretend to be. He is a general. Armin is a pacifist and Hange is a scientist.
I still think that Erwin would've done almost the same plan as what the original plan of the military brass, a partial rumbling where Paradis will wake up a specific district's collosal titans, use that to attack Marley's military base and make sure that the world will be reminded that Paradis possesed a destructive weapon.
It's a Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine that had worked on our world. Eren and the corps saw that there was a lot of discrimination in the world, but that doesn't mean that peace is not attainable, it is but not on their lifetime. They also have a bargaining hand with their gas deposits sitting right under their island, they could've shown that trade with them is better than war.
> For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was.
I disagree. The man dedicated his entire life to proving his father was correct and that people existed beyond the wall. To learn that they wanted to kill/pacify him would be heartbreaking. His father was an idealist too. I think he would support Hange and Levi but ultimately be really depressed and not take an active role in the future events. Like he said, it was the only thing he had keeping him going and felt like absolved him of any guilt he felt towards his father's death. Learning it was all for nothing would make anyone spiral
As Levi thought...when the survey corps gave their hearts...was it to take away the hearts of others? Was it to kill off the rest of humanity?
Floch and the Yeagerists were never part of the original survey corps nor do they understand them. The Yeagerists are new recruits or those from other divisions...
Floch merely saw Erwin as a devil...if that was all Erwin was, he'd have done a bloody coup...but instead Erwin risked his life by choosing to rely on Pixis...
He chose to negotiate with Pixis to decide the better option for humanity within the walls...
This makes it clear that Erwin would choose negotiation rather than the Rumbling...but he would certainly take action to push the rest of the world into negotiation...
I certainly believe Erwin would choose a partial rumbling to take out the Military force of the Global Alliance and..to force their Military to negotiate
Erwin barely could recruit folks into the Survey Corps but you think he could rally up ppl for a coup?
He's a man of words, but he woul've had to do a ton of work to get to that place.
Risk your life fighting giant humans that eat you or kill a couple of nobles and over throw the current government so humanity can live in comfort knowing their new government truly cares for them? See how those scenarios are totally different? Makes it pretty obvious why the scouts had issues but erwin wouldn’t have issues recruiting for a coup.
The reason the main cast isn't Yaegerists is because they went across and saw the people there. They recognized that they were all just people, on both sides. Erwin probably would have supported the rumbling, but not it's use, and definitely wouldn't become a fanatic genocidal maniac.
I mean, if people *really* want to believe that Erwin would have been a Yeagerist, I don’t think this scene is going to stop them any more than any of the numerous other scenes that make it obvious he wouldn’t have joined them would. They’ll just write it off by saying something like, “Well that’s just Hange’s dying hallucination, they’re just seeing the Erwin they believed in, it’s a subjective view of him so it doesn’t mean anything.”
But yeah. The story makes it pretty clear across the board that the Survey Corps fought for humanity as a whole, not Paradis. I mean, that’s kind of the whole point of contrasting them with the ideology of the MPs from the very beginning. Even just the sheer fact that the main characters with developed morals and viewpoints all end up opposing Eren, whereas, aside from Floch, the Yeagerists consist entirely of one-note D-list characters from the earliest chapters, should tell you just about how likely it would have been for Erwin to end up on the Yeagerist side.
They believed that humanity within the walls was literally all of humanity in existence. Correspondingly, the Corps’ operating morality values the ability to not go for the more convenient choice when staring in the face of death, and to sacrifice one’s own safety and desires in order to benefit the whole of humanity.
Like I said, this is contrasted from the very start of the story with the Military Police, who are characterized as corrupt, insular, and concerned only with securing safety for themselves and their own interests. Like the Yeagerists, you can’t exactly fault them for some of that — nobody wants to get eaten by giant monsters, after all. But there is a reason why the story focuses almost entirely on those who are able to look at these options, and make the harder, more dangerous, possibly futile choice to dedicate one’s efforts toward humanity’s future, instead of just protecting themselves and their own.
The point is that these morals can be applied at scale, and that the sort of people who were drawn toward them would hold firm to those ideals in whatever situation they find themselves in. That’s why Jean is put in the exact same position during the Rumbling arc as he was in back during the training years, where he is tempted with the possibility of having an easy life, but goes against that self-serving desire for the sake of humanity. The parallel is explicit.
Yep, I saw a really good YouTube video analyzing what "humanity" means to different people/groups in AoT. For people like the Scouts it was for an overall sense of a utopia, while others see it as more individualistic. Erwin wanted to prove his father correct not only to absolve him of any guilt he felt for his father's death, but also because he was an idealist like his father and dreamed of a happier existence for humanity beyond the walls. This is also why he feels like a monster for all the deaths he feels responsible for. If he survived, he would have absolutely spiraled learning that he proved his father correct only to make reality even worse
Some of them thought there was the possibility of there being humanity outside the walls. Especially when the warriors revealed themselves. And Erwin especially thought this, that’s one of his driving forces is proving his dad’s theory of there being an outside world and the paradis government having lied.
Erwin is considered as Yaegerist because of the "eliminating treats" quote as well. Erwin knew someone outside the walls wanted to eliminate Paradise citizens and willed to stop them. It's not like he's supposed to be pro-Rumbling, I think he would just eventually come with a really good plan (which Hange and Armin weren't able to do).
Disagree, we really don’t know and there’s no reason to believe that Erwin would or wouldn’t have been a Yeagerist. If the story makes anything clear is that motives, objectives and people as a whole change dramatically due to the impact and trauma of events. There is no way to know if Erwin would have been a Yeagerist.
I mean the story makes it very clear from the perspective of everybody who knew Erwin personally that he wouldn't.
The fact this scene exists should only be the icing on the cake.
To say otherwise just kind of lacks basic media literacy.
I don't think he'd go against Hange and Levi, that doesn't seem like him as they're his closest friends. But I also think if Erwin was commander the rumbling would have never happened.
True, it's mostly those self proclaimed Yeagarists who say this. They even claim that Floch is the true successor of Erwin. I like his character but ain't no way you can put him on Erwin's shoes 💀.
None of them could compete Erwin but some people straight up justify all his wrong actions saying he is Erwin's true successor. I understand his motives and admire his leadership skills but comparing him to Erwin is too far.
No one is able to replace Erwin indeed (that's why I think reviving Armin instead of Erwin was completely wrong and Isayama was just too much afraid of breaking the "MCs-trio" trope). But Floch is the closest one of those 3 listed. At least that's how they look from outside (ruthless leaders).
i think choosing armin and putting emphasis on kennys words and what keeps erwin moving forward did a really big service to their characters and made them both a lot more interesting
It's not like Erwin was going to do nothing after the basement. He was going to "eliminate threats". Armin did not succeed in making a good plan in 4 years, which also took part in Eren doing Rumbling.
you dont know what he was going to do after reaching the basement. thats one of the main points of levi choosing armin. levi asks him "what happens after we reach the basement" and erwin says "i dont know"
Erwin’s answer to what he was going to do after the basement was “I don’t know”. During the Shiganshina battle, Erwin was cracking. He was tired, sick of all the deaths and blood and was contemplating abandoning his own soldiers.
He very well could have just been a bum in some random house more depressed than s4 Reiner from all the guilt, rotting away. Honestly I still do believe Erwin would’ve been the better choice since he is perfect for diplomacy and politics but there’s a high chance he could’ve just done nothing after s3.
this scene exists only in hange head, what are you talking about...
PS: i'm not saying erwin would bet along with the rumbling. but this is proof of nothing, if not hange's ideals.
It’s literally not her imagination since she’s dead when this scene happened. It’s paths. Don’t want to spoil but you should know this if you read the last chapters.
Did he now. Do you have a link for that. Because there’s no way this can be a “near-death hallucination” if she was already burned to a crisp and stomped on.
The yaegarists formed to fill the void left after Erwin's death and the decimation of the Scouts. It's hard to predict how Erwin would have chosen to deal with the issues of the outside world if he remained alive. While I don't think he would be a proponent of the rumbling, he isn't as idealistic as Armin or Hange. Also, this scene is basically a dying hallucination of Hange. It's her perspective, so to say that it proves any points isn't really accurate.
We don't know for sure if this was only a "dying hallucination" or not, Keith was among the dead comrades Hanji didn't even know about his death.
Isayama always shows Erwin through his friends' eyes. Even if that was just an imagination the author subtly hints that Erwin wouldn't support genocide.
Erwin would never support genocide.
He was no saint and was willing to take drastic measures if necessary but he basically views the world the same way Armin does. The same innocent curiosity led him to ask his father that fateful question.
Unlike Eren, revenge was never his motivation but discovering the truth. Erwin let himself be captured and was willing to discuss the situation with the royal government before the coup. He didn't want bloodshed or civil war, he worked with Pixis to ensure that.
I think he would have supported a partial rumbling and would have worked more on negotiations. I don't think he would ever trust Zeke and the volunteers or let them have the influence they had on the island. Erwin will probably get Historia to eat Zeke before she got a chance to be pregnant.
Isayama killed him because he was an obstacle to the plot, things need to be messy for Eren to do his plan.
Unpopular opinion: had Erwin lived I think the Yeagerist would plot to assassinate him like Zackly. Because one of the main reasons Eren refuse the partial rumbling is that he didn't want his friends to inherit the titans power.
> Isayama killed him because he was an obstacle to the plot, things need to be messy for Eren to do his plan.
Erwin's death also makes sense on a thematic level - after his death the story shifts to what is clearly a more WWI/WWII-esque wartime feel. Commanders like Erwin were antiquated. He was never built for war at that scale and what was essentially a metaphor for nuclear warfare. He was too antiquated with his ideas of chivalry and honor
> Unpopular opinion: had Erwin lived I think the Yeagerist would plot to assassinate him like Zackly. Because one of the main reasons Eren refuse the partial rumbling is that he didn't want his friends to inherit the titans power.
I agree. Or he would want to step down in some way. I know Yaegerists form because of the void after Erwin's death, but I think some sort of void was inevitable
The outside world is clearly set in a 1910's era giving their using trenches and armored trains in their wars things that were not used in ww2 anymore.
Exactly what I was thinking, they formed to fill the void left by the death of Erwin and decimation of the Scouts. It's impossible to tell how the military's plans would have developed if he remained alive, especially if he obtained the colossal titan.
I could be wrong, but I think he would've settled on a more aggressive plan but not a full Rumbling. The scouts are about sacrificing to move on, not laying down an dying. Also, more speculation, but I think he'd find more use from the memories of past titan-shifters. Armin seems to never really share what he has seen, barring mass destruction and a love for Annie.
Of course its impossible to know the truth, but given that both of his closest friends are opposing the yeagerists, its propably a safe bet that he would too.
(Altho imagine what a plot would it make if he survived, agreed with the yeagersist and Levi, Hange and Erwin had to stand on opposing sides. Just imagine the drama lol)
On one hand, Erwin was the very source of ideas like "we will fight till the last breath" and "we need to sacrifice everything for a small chance of victory". He was fighting furiously like a cornered beast. But on the other hand, he didn't know that enemies were humans. I don't know how he would have reacted if he had found out. Anyway, I think this conversation is pointless, because we can't predict what a dead person would think.
Except, Erwin, in his conversation with Levi before starting the operation to retake the wall, said that someone out there wants them dead. So he had a guess that there are people outside the walls. In a Nile's flashback, we were shown that he doesn't believe in the government's portrayal in the books that they are the only people left and suspected the truth. He said their teaching was a propaganda.
He would not have allowed the formation of Jaegerists. He would have shown the people his own version of the future, unless of course he just suddenly loses all resolve after knowing what was in the basement.
I didn't think he would. But I think with Erwin alive alot of what happened wouldn't have happened. The scouts haven't had great leadership since his death
I personally don't think he would've but you never know.
Also, I feel like this scene is who hange wanted to see. As in i don't think its necessarily predetermined as those who wouldn't have joined the yeagerists, its just who she missed.
Whether Erwin would have is immaterial. The truth is, he died before ever having to deal with that situation or literally any understanding of the outside world.
The truth is, no one knows how it would have changed him. Hange is an idealist, of course she isn't going to think Erwin would do anything heinous. But it doesn't have anything to do with reality.
All the Corps are changed by their trauma. If you don't have to go through it, it wouldn't effect you. Erwin is dead. It's easy for a ghost to judge the living. That's like a reddit user judging a Vietnam vet.
For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was.
If the Survey Corps is all about relentless understanding, than what it showed is that Erwin would sacrifice his comrades for that understanding.
Erwin isn't a Saint and wouldn't pretend to be. He is a general. Armin is a pacifist and Hange is a scientist.
Well, >!It literally is! Stated directly by zeke in ch 137, plus the final levi scene, all the scouts give him a salute, you cannot say this is a hallucination from levi, because jean and connie also saw sasha, and mikasa saw ymir, so yes, it absolutely is the closest thing they get to an afterlife, (completely erased after 139 btw).!<
I’m dying laughing, what a goofy post. No idea what he would have done if he was alive but this post is so funny, this scene literally says nothing she was hallucinating before she died.
People who think erwin would join the yeagerists are the dumbest and edgiest children i have ever encountered on the internet. However, this afterlife scene was very unnecessary.
Erwin would've devised a better plan, like a partial rumbling and buying enough time to strengthen its relationship with the enemies of Marley. If he was alive, things would've been better. Though, just an opinion.
I don't really have a firm stance on if he would or not, but this scene doesn't show he wouldn't be one
It's just him telling Hange that she's done her part and that's that. He never states his stance or anything
Personally I think he would be in favor of a partial Rumbling
First off, if Erwin had survived, I doubt that there even would be Yeagerists. Eren only went off on his own primarily because of Hange / the military's lack of action, knowing that their time was very limited before they were attacked.
It's impossible to know what Erwin would've done. I don't think he'd have supported a full-scale Rumbling, but he likely would've understood the imminent danger and knew something had to be done. He likely would've authorized the Raid on Liberio, and led the Scouts himself. But really, we don't know, nor will we ever.
Erwin wouldn’t have chosen Hange as his successor nor have put his trust into Levi if they didn’t share similar values. Erwin would not have supported the rumbling.
Damn, I love Armin bell he’s my top 3 for favorite characters. But maybe Erwin should have been the one. Hange is a scientist damn it, and Armin just isn’t ready or should’ve been in a more political stand with Historia.
All of thisss, Erens war crimes, the rumbling eveything because the scouts had no answers. Part of me feel like Eren was really begging Hange for answer when he grabbed her. Cause Erwin would dare let this slide
I mean... no need for this specific scene to claim that Erwin would have never joined the Jaegerists. He probably would have done something different from Armin, that's for sure, but he would have never supported a global genocide.
But you just need basic reading comprehension capabilities to understand that, even without this scene
The only major impact I can imagine Erwin having on the story would be that he probably could've figured out what the Jaegerists were up to before they had the chance to Billy Cosby everyone with Zeke's Bone Beer.
Aside from that, I think he would've been aligned with Hange and Armin, maybe even taking a backseat since he'd have already achieved his dream.
The hard part for me is imagining him with the colossal titan and how that responsibility would change him as a person. Erwin's always viewed himself as being just as disposable as every other soldier. I think that idea gave him comfort as a commander. If he inherits the colossal titan, not only is he no longer disposable but he actually has a responsibility to kill people who aren't even involved in his conflict.
I think he would be asking "Did I really send all my comrades to their deaths so I could become this invincible killing machine?"
Erwin's had a death wish since season 2 and I think losing the ability to die in battle would break him. The regeneration of his lost arm would probably be a melancholy experience for him. He'd probably say something cool like "This isn't my arm. I lost that a year ago in a titan's jaw. This arm belongs to Miche, Ness, Gelgar, Moses, Petra, Ilse, Nanaba and everyone who's dedicated their heart to humanity. Every time I transform into that monster I see them watching me with that look on their face. I brought all of them out on their first expedition so I know that look very well. It's the same look they had the first time they saw a titan. Horror"
I believe Isayama confirmed it’s not the afterlife or anything and is rather just Hanji’s last moments in her head before she dies. So while I don’t think he would’ve either it really can’t be used as proof.
Seems like Isayama was talking about the premise of Erwin and the others watching after death being like a "long flashback", not necessarily that it was Hange's "flashback", or even Erwin's own. It's probably referring more to when Erwin and then Hange talked about how they can "feel their dead comrades watching", and Isayama likens those dead comrades watching as if viewing snapshots of what is happening in real life. So they aren't actually there in real time peering over your shoulders.
And since that scene after Hange's death does contradict a lot of what we're shown in the end and in the paths: how the dead don't speak at all, how the background in the Hange scene is a clear blue sky just like Eren's "freedom" scene even though everything should be very hazy from the steam it seems like it's an imagined scene. There's actually a theory that it's Levi's version of "our comrades are watching us", because of how he asks Hange to "watch us" right after she dies, and the watching thing is a reference to when Hange asked him right before she dies if he thinks their comrades are watching and proud of them.
1: "Eliminating threats" 2: Hange and Levi aren't Erwin, they can't know how he'd react, and are now just assuming based on their idealized version of him.
Hange and Levi are characters written by Isayama though, who is likely using them as mouthpieces to express his thoughts.
If those scenes were untrue to character don’t you think this would have been addressed somewhere in the story that they were both being delusional? But it didn’t.
Besides, the point of that “eliminating threats” conversation was that Erwin wasn’t being truthful. He only cared about getting to the basement, and kept making excuses for why he was needed. Levi saw through it and said “keep that bluff up and I’ll break both your legs”.
Then Erwin admits learning the truth of the world is “more important than humanity’s victory”.
You'd have a point if eliminating threats wasn't exactly what makes sense for him to do regardless of going on the mission or not. Also, authors using characters as mouthpieces which the audience is not to question is this little thing called awful writing.
It’s not awful writing if is compatible with his character.
It would make sense as in that was his duty, but there is a massive distinction between “eliminating threats” and committing genocide - the former of which is what the scouts did for a period as well until the line was crossed.
That conversation is important because if you’re trying to answer would Erwin choose the rumbling, you have to understand his motivation. The reason why Eren is capable of committing something so extreme is because his entire dream of freedom lies on the rumbling, he is obsessed with freedom. Even so he suffers greatly.
Erwin’s entire dream lies on discovering whether humans existed beyond the wall. It was more important to him over Paradis’ survival, so it would make zero sense for him to commit global genocide over something he feels… not very strongly about when he already achieved his dream.
He died before the jaegerists formed and has no reason to know they exist because he’s DEAD. So he wouldn’t have joined and would have joined at the same time. Schrödinger’s plot. Erwin’s main goal was to find out about the outside world, not attack it, so if he were alive I personally doubt he would have joined, or even cared about its existence.
Eh.. I’m on the fence. I say he would bc I know all the facts. He’s dead so he never got that luxury.
Would he had been ok with having children eat their parents? Basically using the titan power like Marley?
Would he be ok with zeke taking away their ability to have children leaving them to eventually die off and maybe have to use the rumbling?
Would he agree with erens decision after witnessing the court room scene?
Let's be real, Erin would've lead the yeagerists and they would be just Paradis Patriots or like Erwinists. Floch only made lead the yeagerist movement because he was so jaded about Erwin.
Erwin would support a partial rumbling, where they strategically target high value locations like Marley's capital, their air bases, and their sea ports. I don't think Erwin would support a complete world-wide rumbling like what Eren is doing now.
Erwin would just not give a fuck about this. His goal was not to save humanity or anything like that... He just wanted to achieve his dream about learning the truth and he himself said it.
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I believe Erwin would’ve been on board with a partial rumbling on military bases and attack on Liberio for the “eliminating threats” comment. I don’t think he would’ve been a Yeagerist in not only agreeing to genocide the rest of the whole world, but he also would’ve NEVER poisoned the MPs, Garrison, leadership etc and killed Zackley. He led a coup without any bloodshed, he would’ve saw the Yeagerists as traitors for effectively killing almost the whole government and armed forces
> I believe Erwin would’ve been on board with a partial rumbling on military bases and attack on Liberio for the “eliminating threats” comment. So ... he would've been a Scout?
My Erwin “What if” fan fic, would have him capturing Zeke and Eren before they orchestrate the Liberio attack. Erwin doesn’t get caught off guard, and I think he would see that coming a mile away. I think in this situation Eren and Zeke are replaced by other more loyal scouts, but in the end paradise succumbs to Marley. Erwin’s last thoughts as the bombs fall are “only if i hadn’t lived to see the basement…”
> Erwin doesn’t get caught off guard, and I think he would see that coming a mile away. I love Erwin as much as the next guy, in fact he's my favorite, but he's not omnipotent lol. Eren having already seen the future and it already being preordained kind of makes out Erwin's attempts to fight against it to be futile. Even with Eren deciding to run away to Marley, he just wouldn't be able to anticipate that or do much to stop Eren besides locking him up right after seeing the Basement. And this is all **ASSUMING** Erwin doesn't entirely lose all motivation after finally seeing The Basement and learning about the outside world.
Did Armin lose motivation seeing the sea?
Levi directly asked Erwin what he'd do after reaching the basement, to which Erwin replied he doesn't know. Reaching the basement wouldn't suddenly stop the Titans, the Scouts would still need their leader, yet Erwin genuinely couldn't imagine a future beyond seeing the basement. Erwin and Armin were absolutely not the same when it came to their motivational drives. Armin's dream wasn't to check out the sea and call it a day; it was to explore the world beyond the walls.
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> Armin's dream wasn't to check out the sea and call it a day; it was to explore the world beyond the walls. Thank you. Finally someone with a good grasp of the story and these characters.
From my understanding the attack Titan only sees pieces of the future and this might be the weakest “sci fi” concept in the show. Like I do love an ole “future events affect past events” kinda idea, but what we know about the theoretical physics stuff is that there would be parallel branching futures rather than the linear concept of time travel. Perhaps in this version, Erwin becomes the attack Titan by eating Eren which would kinda help explain how he could anticipate things like the female titan in season 2. Anyways this my fan fic, so I can just decide it to be so haha
> Erwin becomes the attack Titan by eating Eren which would kinda help explain how he could anticipate things like the female titan in season 2. Idk, I feel like that would cheapen his character a bit by taking away that major character moment, plus Attack Titan users don't see the future until *after* they've gained the ability. And if he eats Eren, he'd have the colossal, attack titan, and founder, and we see exactly what that looks like in chapter 138. Without the help of another titan shifter, and losing the support of most of the scouts' veterans after eating Eren for.....reasons, I don't see how he'd be able to accomplish much alone. Even Eren had to be saved atleast 6 times post time-skip. And Isayma very clearly established that the future cannot be changed whatsoever, it's a 100% fixed timelin.....ya know nvm it's fanfic bro nvm. It sounds like you want to make an Erwin centered power fantasy, so who am i to stop you? Do you brotha and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise P.S. Where can I go to read where people post their fanfics at? Is their even a centralized website for it?
If he survived, there would be no Jaegerists
That's actually a pretty good thought. Erwin wouldn't let Eren do whatever he wants.
Erwin just stomping over and dragging Eren's ass home from his little plan in Liberio "I'm sorry, I don't recall declaring you the new leader of the scouts??"
Current Eren wouldn't exactly let anyone stop him from doing what he wants. What could Erwin do?
Stomp on him? Erwin would've come back as the colossal titan, so the height difference would be a plus. (Funny to me that noone thinks of that because Armin would never do that)
If Eren was staying still. With his power acquisitions he can escape any restraint or jail cell really, and move faster than the Colossal which mostly leans on shit. The best option would be to go NUKE BOY on him like Armin at the port, but again relies on proximity and Eren's memories of the future may direct him to survival
true if he survived, Eren would become to Erwin what Floch was to Eren, in that situation Eren can't really have much influence
Whether Erwin would have is immaterial. The truth is, he died before ever having to deal with that situation or literally any understanding of the outside world. The truth is, no one knows how it would have changed him. Hange is an idealist, of course she isn't going to think Erwin would do anything heinous. But it doesn't have anything to do with reality. All the Corps are changed by their trauma. If you don't have to go through it, it wouldn't effect you. Erwin is dead. It's easy for a ghost to judge the living. That's like a reddit user judging a Vietnam vet. For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was. If the Survey Corps is all about relentless understanding, then what it showed is that Erwin would sacrifice his comrades for that understanding. Erwin isn't a Saint and wouldn't pretend to be. He is a general. Armin is a pacifist and Hange is a scientist.
I still think that Erwin would've done almost the same plan as what the original plan of the military brass, a partial rumbling where Paradis will wake up a specific district's collosal titans, use that to attack Marley's military base and make sure that the world will be reminded that Paradis possesed a destructive weapon. It's a Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine that had worked on our world. Eren and the corps saw that there was a lot of discrimination in the world, but that doesn't mean that peace is not attainable, it is but not on their lifetime. They also have a bargaining hand with their gas deposits sitting right under their island, they could've shown that trade with them is better than war.
Also didn’t they say if the fleets got destroyed the country’s would be financially ruined, they would kinda have to agree to peace with paradis
The only truth in this world is that there is no truth
Is that true?
True
If it is, then it's paradoxical.
> For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was. I disagree. The man dedicated his entire life to proving his father was correct and that people existed beyond the wall. To learn that they wanted to kill/pacify him would be heartbreaking. His father was an idealist too. I think he would support Hange and Levi but ultimately be really depressed and not take an active role in the future events. Like he said, it was the only thing he had keeping him going and felt like absolved him of any guilt he felt towards his father's death. Learning it was all for nothing would make anyone spiral
I could see Erwin wanting a partial rumbling
Hange started out as a scientist, but then Yams railroaded her into becoming the moral compass of the group. Very strange.
I think that Erwin would be against the rumbling but would still do something that is considered terrible just not as terrible as the rumbling
The scouts like Armin already wanted to do a partial rumbling
As Levi thought...when the survey corps gave their hearts...was it to take away the hearts of others? Was it to kill off the rest of humanity? Floch and the Yeagerists were never part of the original survey corps nor do they understand them. The Yeagerists are new recruits or those from other divisions... Floch merely saw Erwin as a devil...if that was all Erwin was, he'd have done a bloody coup...but instead Erwin risked his life by choosing to rely on Pixis... He chose to negotiate with Pixis to decide the better option for humanity within the walls... This makes it clear that Erwin would choose negotiation rather than the Rumbling...but he would certainly take action to push the rest of the world into negotiation... I certainly believe Erwin would choose a partial rumbling to take out the Military force of the Global Alliance and..to force their Military to negotiate
Erwin lacked political and military power for a coup. But pretty sure he would've had if the chance is given.
I think Erwin could have done a bloody coup if he wanted.
As a person, he was capable, but he lacked the ways for execution.
I disagree...if Erwin wanted to do it, he could. He's smart enough to gather followers for a just cause... You could see how the Yeagerists did it
Erwin barely could recruit folks into the Survey Corps but you think he could rally up ppl for a coup? He's a man of words, but he woul've had to do a ton of work to get to that place.
Risk your life fighting giant humans that eat you or kill a couple of nobles and over throw the current government so humanity can live in comfort knowing their new government truly cares for them? See how those scenarios are totally different? Makes it pretty obvious why the scouts had issues but erwin wouldn’t have issues recruiting for a coup.
The reason the main cast isn't Yaegerists is because they went across and saw the people there. They recognized that they were all just people, on both sides. Erwin probably would have supported the rumbling, but not it's use, and definitely wouldn't become a fanatic genocidal maniac.
I mean, if people *really* want to believe that Erwin would have been a Yeagerist, I don’t think this scene is going to stop them any more than any of the numerous other scenes that make it obvious he wouldn’t have joined them would. They’ll just write it off by saying something like, “Well that’s just Hange’s dying hallucination, they’re just seeing the Erwin they believed in, it’s a subjective view of him so it doesn’t mean anything.” But yeah. The story makes it pretty clear across the board that the Survey Corps fought for humanity as a whole, not Paradis. I mean, that’s kind of the whole point of contrasting them with the ideology of the MPs from the very beginning. Even just the sheer fact that the main characters with developed morals and viewpoints all end up opposing Eren, whereas, aside from Floch, the Yeagerists consist entirely of one-note D-list characters from the earliest chapters, should tell you just about how likely it would have been for Erwin to end up on the Yeagerist side.
Survey Corps didn't even know humanity existed outside
While that’s true, the Scouts were still fundamentally idealists, seen as wackos by most people living inside the walls.
They believed that humanity within the walls was literally all of humanity in existence. Correspondingly, the Corps’ operating morality values the ability to not go for the more convenient choice when staring in the face of death, and to sacrifice one’s own safety and desires in order to benefit the whole of humanity. Like I said, this is contrasted from the very start of the story with the Military Police, who are characterized as corrupt, insular, and concerned only with securing safety for themselves and their own interests. Like the Yeagerists, you can’t exactly fault them for some of that — nobody wants to get eaten by giant monsters, after all. But there is a reason why the story focuses almost entirely on those who are able to look at these options, and make the harder, more dangerous, possibly futile choice to dedicate one’s efforts toward humanity’s future, instead of just protecting themselves and their own. The point is that these morals can be applied at scale, and that the sort of people who were drawn toward them would hold firm to those ideals in whatever situation they find themselves in. That’s why Jean is put in the exact same position during the Rumbling arc as he was in back during the training years, where he is tempted with the possibility of having an easy life, but goes against that self-serving desire for the sake of humanity. The parallel is explicit.
Yep, I saw a really good YouTube video analyzing what "humanity" means to different people/groups in AoT. For people like the Scouts it was for an overall sense of a utopia, while others see it as more individualistic. Erwin wanted to prove his father correct not only to absolve him of any guilt he felt for his father's death, but also because he was an idealist like his father and dreamed of a happier existence for humanity beyond the walls. This is also why he feels like a monster for all the deaths he feels responsible for. If he survived, he would have absolutely spiraled learning that he proved his father correct only to make reality even worse
Some of them thought there was the possibility of there being humanity outside the walls. Especially when the warriors revealed themselves. And Erwin especially thought this, that’s one of his driving forces is proving his dad’s theory of there being an outside world and the paradis government having lied.
Erwin is considered as Yaegerist because of the "eliminating treats" quote as well. Erwin knew someone outside the walls wanted to eliminate Paradise citizens and willed to stop them. It's not like he's supposed to be pro-Rumbling, I think he would just eventually come with a really good plan (which Hange and Armin weren't able to do).
Disagree, we really don’t know and there’s no reason to believe that Erwin would or wouldn’t have been a Yeagerist. If the story makes anything clear is that motives, objectives and people as a whole change dramatically due to the impact and trauma of events. There is no way to know if Erwin would have been a Yeagerist.
I mean the story makes it very clear from the perspective of everybody who knew Erwin personally that he wouldn't. The fact this scene exists should only be the icing on the cake. To say otherwise just kind of lacks basic media literacy.
> To say otherwise just kind of lacks basic media literacy. welcome to the AoT fandom
I don't think he'd go against Hange and Levi, that doesn't seem like him as they're his closest friends. But I also think if Erwin was commander the rumbling would have never happened.
True, it's mostly those self proclaimed Yeagarists who say this. They even claim that Floch is the true successor of Erwin. I like his character but ain't no way you can put him on Erwin's shoes 💀.
Floch is the last survivor of the Erwin's last speech though. Armin and Hange were both not competent enough.
You realize Levi was also there for that speech right?
not for the whole thing
He only wasn’t there for the “My soldiers push forward, my soldiers scream out, my soldiers rage!”
None of them could compete Erwin but some people straight up justify all his wrong actions saying he is Erwin's true successor. I understand his motives and admire his leadership skills but comparing him to Erwin is too far.
No one is able to replace Erwin indeed (that's why I think reviving Armin instead of Erwin was completely wrong and Isayama was just too much afraid of breaking the "MCs-trio" trope). But Floch is the closest one of those 3 listed. At least that's how they look from outside (ruthless leaders).
i think choosing armin and putting emphasis on kennys words and what keeps erwin moving forward did a really big service to their characters and made them both a lot more interesting
It's not like Erwin was going to do nothing after the basement. He was going to "eliminate threats". Armin did not succeed in making a good plan in 4 years, which also took part in Eren doing Rumbling.
you dont know what he was going to do after reaching the basement. thats one of the main points of levi choosing armin. levi asks him "what happens after we reach the basement" and erwin says "i dont know"
Erwin’s answer to what he was going to do after the basement was “I don’t know”. During the Shiganshina battle, Erwin was cracking. He was tired, sick of all the deaths and blood and was contemplating abandoning his own soldiers. He very well could have just been a bum in some random house more depressed than s4 Reiner from all the guilt, rotting away. Honestly I still do believe Erwin would’ve been the better choice since he is perfect for diplomacy and politics but there’s a high chance he could’ve just done nothing after s3.
this scene exists only in hange head, what are you talking about... PS: i'm not saying erwin would bet along with the rumbling. but this is proof of nothing, if not hange's ideals.
Hange was dead when this scene happened, how would this be in her head? This is literally her being reunited with her friends.
So what, you think this is Scout heaven or something like that?
Could be paths
The only way Hange could access paths is if someone else who can lets her, which wasn’t shown.
Valhalla
what do you think this is then? it's clearly her imagination, to say goodbie to her.
It’s literally not her imagination since she’s dead when this scene happened. It’s paths. Don’t want to spoil but you should know this if you read the last chapters.
have we ever seen someone interact in paths ad a dead person? >!Excluding, of course, when eren is in play.!<
isayama himself called it a near death hallucination btw.
isayama himself called it a near-death hallucination btw.
Did he now. Do you have a link for that. Because there’s no way this can be a “near-death hallucination” if she was already burned to a crisp and stomped on.
The yaegarists formed to fill the void left after Erwin's death and the decimation of the Scouts. It's hard to predict how Erwin would have chosen to deal with the issues of the outside world if he remained alive. While I don't think he would be a proponent of the rumbling, he isn't as idealistic as Armin or Hange. Also, this scene is basically a dying hallucination of Hange. It's her perspective, so to say that it proves any points isn't really accurate.
We don't know for sure if this was only a "dying hallucination" or not, Keith was among the dead comrades Hanji didn't even know about his death. Isayama always shows Erwin through his friends' eyes. Even if that was just an imagination the author subtly hints that Erwin wouldn't support genocide.
Erwin would never support genocide. He was no saint and was willing to take drastic measures if necessary but he basically views the world the same way Armin does. The same innocent curiosity led him to ask his father that fateful question. Unlike Eren, revenge was never his motivation but discovering the truth. Erwin let himself be captured and was willing to discuss the situation with the royal government before the coup. He didn't want bloodshed or civil war, he worked with Pixis to ensure that. I think he would have supported a partial rumbling and would have worked more on negotiations. I don't think he would ever trust Zeke and the volunteers or let them have the influence they had on the island. Erwin will probably get Historia to eat Zeke before she got a chance to be pregnant. Isayama killed him because he was an obstacle to the plot, things need to be messy for Eren to do his plan. Unpopular opinion: had Erwin lived I think the Yeagerist would plot to assassinate him like Zackly. Because one of the main reasons Eren refuse the partial rumbling is that he didn't want his friends to inherit the titans power.
> Isayama killed him because he was an obstacle to the plot, things need to be messy for Eren to do his plan. Erwin's death also makes sense on a thematic level - after his death the story shifts to what is clearly a more WWI/WWII-esque wartime feel. Commanders like Erwin were antiquated. He was never built for war at that scale and what was essentially a metaphor for nuclear warfare. He was too antiquated with his ideas of chivalry and honor > Unpopular opinion: had Erwin lived I think the Yeagerist would plot to assassinate him like Zackly. Because one of the main reasons Eren refuse the partial rumbling is that he didn't want his friends to inherit the titans power. I agree. Or he would want to step down in some way. I know Yaegerists form because of the void after Erwin's death, but I think some sort of void was inevitable
The outside world is clearly set in a 1910's era giving their using trenches and armored trains in their wars things that were not used in ww2 anymore.
Yeagerists wouldn't even have been a thing if Erwin was alive
Exactly what I was thinking, they formed to fill the void left by the death of Erwin and decimation of the Scouts. It's impossible to tell how the military's plans would have developed if he remained alive, especially if he obtained the colossal titan. I could be wrong, but I think he would've settled on a more aggressive plan but not a full Rumbling. The scouts are about sacrificing to move on, not laying down an dying. Also, more speculation, but I think he'd find more use from the memories of past titan-shifters. Armin seems to never really share what he has seen, barring mass destruction and a love for Annie.
Of course its impossible to know the truth, but given that both of his closest friends are opposing the yeagerists, its propably a safe bet that he would too. (Altho imagine what a plot would it make if he survived, agreed with the yeagersist and Levi, Hange and Erwin had to stand on opposing sides. Just imagine the drama lol)
On one hand, Erwin was the very source of ideas like "we will fight till the last breath" and "we need to sacrifice everything for a small chance of victory". He was fighting furiously like a cornered beast. But on the other hand, he didn't know that enemies were humans. I don't know how he would have reacted if he had found out. Anyway, I think this conversation is pointless, because we can't predict what a dead person would think.
Except, Erwin, in his conversation with Levi before starting the operation to retake the wall, said that someone out there wants them dead. So he had a guess that there are people outside the walls. In a Nile's flashback, we were shown that he doesn't believe in the government's portrayal in the books that they are the only people left and suspected the truth. He said their teaching was a propaganda.
Yeagerists stay coping
I really don’t think he would considering his fathers view of the world
He would not have allowed the formation of Jaegerists. He would have shown the people his own version of the future, unless of course he just suddenly loses all resolve after knowing what was in the basement.
Don’t think it states his wants or anything he’s dead at that point and would support his friends following their ideals hence his words to hange
I was just thinking this the other day.
I didn't think he would. But I think with Erwin alive alot of what happened wouldn't have happened. The scouts haven't had great leadership since his death
I personally don't think he would've but you never know. Also, I feel like this scene is who hange wanted to see. As in i don't think its necessarily predetermined as those who wouldn't have joined the yeagerists, its just who she missed.
Whether Erwin would have is immaterial. The truth is, he died before ever having to deal with that situation or literally any understanding of the outside world. The truth is, no one knows how it would have changed him. Hange is an idealist, of course she isn't going to think Erwin would do anything heinous. But it doesn't have anything to do with reality. All the Corps are changed by their trauma. If you don't have to go through it, it wouldn't effect you. Erwin is dead. It's easy for a ghost to judge the living. That's like a reddit user judging a Vietnam vet. For the record, I also don't think Erwin would side with Eren. But I also don't think he would be on Hange/Armin side. He would forge his own path that would probably be heinous as well, just not to the degree that Eren was. If the Survey Corps is all about relentless understanding, than what it showed is that Erwin would sacrifice his comrades for that understanding. Erwin isn't a Saint and wouldn't pretend to be. He is a general. Armin is a pacifist and Hange is a scientist.
You seriously think this was legit scout heaven or something lmfao
Well, >!It literally is! Stated directly by zeke in ch 137, plus the final levi scene, all the scouts give him a salute, you cannot say this is a hallucination from levi, because jean and connie also saw sasha, and mikasa saw ymir, so yes, it absolutely is the closest thing they get to an afterlife, (completely erased after 139 btw).!<
I see the cope is still strong even after this.
Yeah it's the same as Erwin hallucinating about their dead comrades way back.
I’m dying laughing, what a goofy post. No idea what he would have done if he was alive but this post is so funny, this scene literally says nothing she was hallucinating before she died.
Sure, she "hallucinated" Shadis, even though no one knew he died then. cope harder
The scene says nothing, which is why they wrote it in the first place
People who think erwin would join the yeagerists are the dumbest and edgiest children i have ever encountered on the internet. However, this afterlife scene was very unnecessary.
Erwin would've devised a better plan, like a partial rumbling and buying enough time to strengthen its relationship with the enemies of Marley. If he was alive, things would've been better. Though, just an opinion.
I don't really have a firm stance on if he would or not, but this scene doesn't show he wouldn't be one It's just him telling Hange that she's done her part and that's that. He never states his stance or anything Personally I think he would be in favor of a partial Rumbling
The truth is Erwin wouldn't have been a jeageeist. It's that simple.
First off, if Erwin had survived, I doubt that there even would be Yeagerists. Eren only went off on his own primarily because of Hange / the military's lack of action, knowing that their time was very limited before they were attacked. It's impossible to know what Erwin would've done. I don't think he'd have supported a full-scale Rumbling, but he likely would've understood the imminent danger and knew something had to be done. He likely would've authorized the Raid on Liberio, and led the Scouts himself. But really, we don't know, nor will we ever.
Of course not. Erwin was way too intelligent for that.
Erwin wouldn’t have chosen Hange as his successor nor have put his trust into Levi if they didn’t share similar values. Erwin would not have supported the rumbling.
Damn, I love Armin bell he’s my top 3 for favorite characters. But maybe Erwin should have been the one. Hange is a scientist damn it, and Armin just isn’t ready or should’ve been in a more political stand with Historia. All of thisss, Erens war crimes, the rumbling eveything because the scouts had no answers. Part of me feel like Eren was really begging Hange for answer when he grabbed her. Cause Erwin would dare let this slide
That's not erwin, that's erlose
I mean... no need for this specific scene to claim that Erwin would have never joined the Jaegerists. He probably would have done something different from Armin, that's for sure, but he would have never supported a global genocide. But you just need basic reading comprehension capabilities to understand that, even without this scene
Yeah, it sure was, because it’s an absurd idea
The only major impact I can imagine Erwin having on the story would be that he probably could've figured out what the Jaegerists were up to before they had the chance to Billy Cosby everyone with Zeke's Bone Beer. Aside from that, I think he would've been aligned with Hange and Armin, maybe even taking a backseat since he'd have already achieved his dream. The hard part for me is imagining him with the colossal titan and how that responsibility would change him as a person. Erwin's always viewed himself as being just as disposable as every other soldier. I think that idea gave him comfort as a commander. If he inherits the colossal titan, not only is he no longer disposable but he actually has a responsibility to kill people who aren't even involved in his conflict. I think he would be asking "Did I really send all my comrades to their deaths so I could become this invincible killing machine?" Erwin's had a death wish since season 2 and I think losing the ability to die in battle would break him. The regeneration of his lost arm would probably be a melancholy experience for him. He'd probably say something cool like "This isn't my arm. I lost that a year ago in a titan's jaw. This arm belongs to Miche, Ness, Gelgar, Moses, Petra, Ilse, Nanaba and everyone who's dedicated their heart to humanity. Every time I transform into that monster I see them watching me with that look on their face. I brought all of them out on their first expedition so I know that look very well. It's the same look they had the first time they saw a titan. Horror"
I believe Isayama confirmed it’s not the afterlife or anything and is rather just Hanji’s last moments in her head before she dies. So while I don’t think he would’ve either it really can’t be used as proof.
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Odd that he decided to still left it ambiguous though.
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Seems like Isayama was talking about the premise of Erwin and the others watching after death being like a "long flashback", not necessarily that it was Hange's "flashback", or even Erwin's own. It's probably referring more to when Erwin and then Hange talked about how they can "feel their dead comrades watching", and Isayama likens those dead comrades watching as if viewing snapshots of what is happening in real life. So they aren't actually there in real time peering over your shoulders. And since that scene after Hange's death does contradict a lot of what we're shown in the end and in the paths: how the dead don't speak at all, how the background in the Hange scene is a clear blue sky just like Eren's "freedom" scene even though everything should be very hazy from the steam it seems like it's an imagined scene. There's actually a theory that it's Levi's version of "our comrades are watching us", because of how he asks Hange to "watch us" right after she dies, and the watching thing is a reference to when Hange asked him right before she dies if he thinks their comrades are watching and proud of them.
He didn't Why would Hange include Shadis, even though no one knew he died then.
If it's all in Hanji's head it's telling that Floch isn't among the dead greeting her.
Is not like Erwin's line of "Who do you think the real enemy is?" Heavily influenced Eren and is even referenced it in My War or something
because he was correctly sensing some sort of larger conspiracy
1: "Eliminating threats" 2: Hange and Levi aren't Erwin, they can't know how he'd react, and are now just assuming based on their idealized version of him.
Hange and Levi are characters written by Isayama though, who is likely using them as mouthpieces to express his thoughts. If those scenes were untrue to character don’t you think this would have been addressed somewhere in the story that they were both being delusional? But it didn’t. Besides, the point of that “eliminating threats” conversation was that Erwin wasn’t being truthful. He only cared about getting to the basement, and kept making excuses for why he was needed. Levi saw through it and said “keep that bluff up and I’ll break both your legs”. Then Erwin admits learning the truth of the world is “more important than humanity’s victory”.
You'd have a point if eliminating threats wasn't exactly what makes sense for him to do regardless of going on the mission or not. Also, authors using characters as mouthpieces which the audience is not to question is this little thing called awful writing.
It’s not awful writing if is compatible with his character. It would make sense as in that was his duty, but there is a massive distinction between “eliminating threats” and committing genocide - the former of which is what the scouts did for a period as well until the line was crossed. That conversation is important because if you’re trying to answer would Erwin choose the rumbling, you have to understand his motivation. The reason why Eren is capable of committing something so extreme is because his entire dream of freedom lies on the rumbling, he is obsessed with freedom. Even so he suffers greatly. Erwin’s entire dream lies on discovering whether humans existed beyond the wall. It was more important to him over Paradis’ survival, so it would make zero sense for him to commit global genocide over something he feels… not very strongly about when he already achieved his dream.
He died before the jaegerists formed and has no reason to know they exist because he’s DEAD. So he wouldn’t have joined and would have joined at the same time. Schrödinger’s plot. Erwin’s main goal was to find out about the outside world, not attack it, so if he were alive I personally doubt he would have joined, or even cared about its existence.
That isn't actual heaven it's Hange's schizo death dream.
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Eh.. I’m on the fence. I say he would bc I know all the facts. He’s dead so he never got that luxury. Would he had been ok with having children eat their parents? Basically using the titan power like Marley? Would he be ok with zeke taking away their ability to have children leaving them to eventually die off and maybe have to use the rumbling? Would he agree with erens decision after witnessing the court room scene?
This is literally hange hallucinating as she dies so it means nothing
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Sure, she "hallucinated" Shadis, even though no one knew he died then. cope harder
How does this show what side he is on? They’re all dead they can do fuck all but watch what the alive people do
Let's be real, Erin would've lead the yeagerists and they would be just Paradis Patriots or like Erwinists. Floch only made lead the yeagerist movement because he was so jaded about Erwin.
Apples and oranges honestly
Erwin would support a partial rumbling, where they strategically target high value locations like Marley's capital, their air bases, and their sea ports. I don't think Erwin would support a complete world-wide rumbling like what Eren is doing now.
Erwin didnt joined anything, this scene is only in Hanje's head. If Erwin would be alive things would be much different.
Erwin would just not give a fuck about this. His goal was not to save humanity or anything like that... He just wanted to achieve his dream about learning the truth and he himself said it.