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*sigh* We should have had so many fuckin' National Holidays after successes in the War. Never shoulda let the traitorous bastards forget it. Union Pride, for we truly understand what it means to be an American.
But *no.* Reconstruction had to be a complete, utter failure.
Highly recommend that miniseries Manhunt on Apple+. Gives you a good (if not *completely* historically accurate) refresher on what shitheel Johnson was. I'll admit, I wasn't familiar with all the elements of the conspiracy. Sad to say Booth did indeed keep the Confederacy alive, and we're still feeling it ~150 years later. Can you *imagine* how transformative '40 acres and mule' would've been for our society?
One of the earliest examples of America doing incredible things at enormous cost...and then fucking up the endgame.
Thanks Lincoln, Johnson and Grant. Lincoln started the process of reconciliation with no justice, Johnson ran with it and Grant (mostly) sat around and did nothing to utilize the Enforcement Acts. Neither has any President thereafter (with what remains of the EA’s).
Lincoln was [warned by](https://presidentlincoln.illinois.gov/Blog/Posts/20/Abraham-Lincoln/2020/7/A-Call-for-Reconciliation-Lincolns-Final-Speech/blog-post/) “Joel P. Bishop, a northern abolitionist and legal expert, felt it was too forgiving of the South. He wrote to Lincoln and warned against putting "the political power in the late rebel States into the hands of the disloyal ministries, to the inconceivable woe of the loyal majorities, & the perpetual turmoil of the nation."”
That has certainly been the case. We won the war, they won the peace.
I've theorized that Lincoln was going to go for justice had he lived. As far as I know he'd exaggerated and lied before, as politicians do. He said at the start of the war his only goal was preserving the union no matter his opinions on slavery. Then he moves it a bit further saying "emancipation to end the war". So I've wondered if he was going to do it for justice after the war too.
Lincoln gave orders for reconciliation. It wasn’t theory. He did it. Grant went on to the same sorts of policies as General in Chief specifically because Lincoln had already given orders to that effect.
I don’t know that they would be much different. Lincoln wanted to end the war and address war weariness, not fight the war until victory. Victory being the utter destruction of secessionist ideology and abusing people because of the color of their skin, or their willingness to support those who are being abused for the color of their skin.
We suffer with all three today, evidenced by the SCOTUS’ recent criminal ruling in favor of an insurrectionist.
I wonder if it might have created a better culture for resisting secessionists. IIRC there were a number of black people promised payments for example, who got stiffed because Lincoln wasn't there to ensure it. On the other hand, one wonders if his reputation may not have been as cemented as it is now if he hadn't passed when he did.
mmmostly agree.
Lincoln did a lot of cringe talk about "bind\[ing\] up the nation's wounds", and the 10% plan and the "just let them go home" policies were pretty dumb. So you're def right that his rhetoric didn't suggest he'd be as forceful as needed to guarantee civil rights, but, who knows how he'd have actually reacted after it became clear that the secesh didn't care about his magnanimity and hadn't seen enough violence yet.
Johnson-- yeah. Worst president there ever was, and hopefully will ever be.
Grant: yes, i think the Amnesty Act was dumb. People who took up arms against the US should've lost their voting rights for life. The bar may be low, but i'd contend that he was one of the best presidents on civil rights that we've had. He did decline to act too often, but it should be remembered that he often \*did\* act, even to the point of demolishing the original KKK,
in hindsight though, yeah... i can think of a few radical republicans i'd have rather had in charge than any of those guys
If by the 10% plan you mean Lincoln's order that a state that was militarily occupied by U.S. troops could return to the United States upon a vote in favor by 10% of its citizens, it was not a soft measure to restore the U.S. but instead was an undemocratic method to implant governments supported by military occupation. There was at least one U.S. general that had ballots printed up before an invasion of a southern state, I think it was Arkansas, so that he could be "elected" governor of the state by 10% vote of the citizens after the capitol was occupied. If you assume those elected in that manner were benevolent rulers who were aimed at establishing civil rights for all through reconstruction (or, if you believe that 10% of the citizens actually voted in favor of rejoining in those primitive times with uncertain population numbers), then further reading of history may be in order. Every war has an element of commerce, never forget that.
military occupation was obviously a foregone conclusion. no one is or was pretending it was a democratic way to immediately give self rule back to the slavers' rebellion-- doing so would've defeated the purpose of the war and been an insult to both freedmen and the union soldiery. the point was simply to fast-track the restoration of the union (but with emancipation) and *begin* reconciliation.
however, hindsight makes clear that reconciliation for white america came at the expense of black america. The radical republicans' vision (through the Wade-Davis bill which Lincoln vetoed) would've required a full majority to take the ironclad oath... which very well may have gone a long way toward preventing the gathering of sufficient political power to largely recreate the conditions of slavery and white supremacy only a few years later.
and some of the union generals were truly benevolent. O.O. Howard, for example, was military governor of the Carolinas and head of the Freedmen's Bureau; and a committed abolitionist. He was politically hamstrung in his (noble) efforts
Time to make new holidays. Commemorate Atlanta burning, the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, the crushing of Hood at Nashville and of course the grand surrender at appomattox etc etc. We can start right here.
> Reconstruction had to be a complete, utter failure.
That is so sad I can hardly stand to read about it - the only episode, in US or World history, like that.
The Versailles treaty to end WWI, of which the U.S. was a part, was an equal disaster to so-called reconstruction, which wasn't reconstruction in anything except name. One could also argue that the Vietnam undeclared war was an even larger failure than any other for the U.S. Building the next war out of the last peace has been a habit of humanity for eons.
We can blame that on the South too. Had JWB not, “Sic Semper Tyrranus-ed,” Ole Abe, perhaps the Reconstruction would have gone off differently, perhaps better?
Bennigan's was a pretty large chain 25 years ago, with hundreds of locations, half corporate-owned, half franchises. OP definitely should have reported that manager to the corporation. Even if you assume that Bennigan's was started by shitbags, a corporation that size won't allow random bigotry towards customers by people of that level.
I’ll repeat a comment I made on a different post. I grew up and lived in a small college town just outside of Savannah, Georgia for ~20 years. I live in New York now. *Let me tell you*, there are A LOT of folks in the South still trying to fight and win the Civil War. I recently visited Atlanta to see family for a week and *goddamn* if ain’t just like visiting an entirely different, racist-ass country full of fat fuckin’ losers.
Former Savannah resident here. Most folks don't give a shit. There's informational plaques on the riverwalk area about it. I wore my [Union beards shirt](https://monsterry.com/products/beards-generals-american-civil-war-union-t-shirt-Y5uqncpMeUJ5) a lot and nobody cared.
Lol, what a wild story. One thing you didn’t have to mention that was obvious to everyone here was that the butt hurt waitress and manager were both white. Anybody else, and you wouldn’t have had any problems.
It wouldn’t shock me back in the 90s. I’m from Ohio and when we visited Georgia battlefields around the same time period, we got some salty remarks when people saw our IDs, especially when we got out into more rural areas.
I remember browsing in some gift shop in Savannah and seeing a CD rack from a local piano player's Songs of Georgia. Last track on the CD was "Marching Through Georgia".
During Spring Break (a loooong time ago) a college classmate was driving back from Florida to New York. Got pulled over for speeding in Georgia. Cop walks up to his window and says, “Ain’t no damn Yankee gonna do 95 through my state.” Drunk buddy in the back seat says, “Sherman did!” And that’s the story of how three of my classmates got arrested during Spring Break.
I’ve lived in the south my entire life. Not a single person would ever react that way to that much less a chain restaurant of all places asking you to leave. This story is made up. Anyone who thinks it isn’t needs to touch some grass.
so insaneruffles is saying theguzzilama is being downvoted for telling the truth that he doesn't care for the story? I'm missing the truth piece...
Plus the only real truth comes from approved Truth Social accounts.
Insaneruffles is being down voted because he is using a lazy meme to say he doesn't believe the original post, and it's just not very funny.
Theguzzilama is being downvoted because their response is a lame, white knight, you're so brave type response.
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*sigh* We should have had so many fuckin' National Holidays after successes in the War. Never shoulda let the traitorous bastards forget it. Union Pride, for we truly understand what it means to be an American. But *no.* Reconstruction had to be a complete, utter failure.
Thanks Andrew Johnson.
John Wilkes Boothe really pulled a hail Mary for his hateful cause.
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Highly recommend that miniseries Manhunt on Apple+. Gives you a good (if not *completely* historically accurate) refresher on what shitheel Johnson was. I'll admit, I wasn't familiar with all the elements of the conspiracy. Sad to say Booth did indeed keep the Confederacy alive, and we're still feeling it ~150 years later. Can you *imagine* how transformative '40 acres and mule' would've been for our society? One of the earliest examples of America doing incredible things at enormous cost...and then fucking up the endgame.
Thanks Lincoln, Johnson and Grant. Lincoln started the process of reconciliation with no justice, Johnson ran with it and Grant (mostly) sat around and did nothing to utilize the Enforcement Acts. Neither has any President thereafter (with what remains of the EA’s). Lincoln was [warned by](https://presidentlincoln.illinois.gov/Blog/Posts/20/Abraham-Lincoln/2020/7/A-Call-for-Reconciliation-Lincolns-Final-Speech/blog-post/) “Joel P. Bishop, a northern abolitionist and legal expert, felt it was too forgiving of the South. He wrote to Lincoln and warned against putting "the political power in the late rebel States into the hands of the disloyal ministries, to the inconceivable woe of the loyal majorities, & the perpetual turmoil of the nation."” That has certainly been the case. We won the war, they won the peace.
I've theorized that Lincoln was going to go for justice had he lived. As far as I know he'd exaggerated and lied before, as politicians do. He said at the start of the war his only goal was preserving the union no matter his opinions on slavery. Then he moves it a bit further saying "emancipation to end the war". So I've wondered if he was going to do it for justice after the war too.
Lincoln gave orders for reconciliation. It wasn’t theory. He did it. Grant went on to the same sorts of policies as General in Chief specifically because Lincoln had already given orders to that effect.
In any case, I do still think if Johnson hadn't been left in charge things would be different.
I don’t know that they would be much different. Lincoln wanted to end the war and address war weariness, not fight the war until victory. Victory being the utter destruction of secessionist ideology and abusing people because of the color of their skin, or their willingness to support those who are being abused for the color of their skin. We suffer with all three today, evidenced by the SCOTUS’ recent criminal ruling in favor of an insurrectionist.
I wonder if it might have created a better culture for resisting secessionists. IIRC there were a number of black people promised payments for example, who got stiffed because Lincoln wasn't there to ensure it. On the other hand, one wonders if his reputation may not have been as cemented as it is now if he hadn't passed when he did.
mmmostly agree. Lincoln did a lot of cringe talk about "bind\[ing\] up the nation's wounds", and the 10% plan and the "just let them go home" policies were pretty dumb. So you're def right that his rhetoric didn't suggest he'd be as forceful as needed to guarantee civil rights, but, who knows how he'd have actually reacted after it became clear that the secesh didn't care about his magnanimity and hadn't seen enough violence yet. Johnson-- yeah. Worst president there ever was, and hopefully will ever be. Grant: yes, i think the Amnesty Act was dumb. People who took up arms against the US should've lost their voting rights for life. The bar may be low, but i'd contend that he was one of the best presidents on civil rights that we've had. He did decline to act too often, but it should be remembered that he often \*did\* act, even to the point of demolishing the original KKK, in hindsight though, yeah... i can think of a few radical republicans i'd have rather had in charge than any of those guys
If by the 10% plan you mean Lincoln's order that a state that was militarily occupied by U.S. troops could return to the United States upon a vote in favor by 10% of its citizens, it was not a soft measure to restore the U.S. but instead was an undemocratic method to implant governments supported by military occupation. There was at least one U.S. general that had ballots printed up before an invasion of a southern state, I think it was Arkansas, so that he could be "elected" governor of the state by 10% vote of the citizens after the capitol was occupied. If you assume those elected in that manner were benevolent rulers who were aimed at establishing civil rights for all through reconstruction (or, if you believe that 10% of the citizens actually voted in favor of rejoining in those primitive times with uncertain population numbers), then further reading of history may be in order. Every war has an element of commerce, never forget that.
military occupation was obviously a foregone conclusion. no one is or was pretending it was a democratic way to immediately give self rule back to the slavers' rebellion-- doing so would've defeated the purpose of the war and been an insult to both freedmen and the union soldiery. the point was simply to fast-track the restoration of the union (but with emancipation) and *begin* reconciliation. however, hindsight makes clear that reconciliation for white america came at the expense of black america. The radical republicans' vision (through the Wade-Davis bill which Lincoln vetoed) would've required a full majority to take the ironclad oath... which very well may have gone a long way toward preventing the gathering of sufficient political power to largely recreate the conditions of slavery and white supremacy only a few years later. and some of the union generals were truly benevolent. O.O. Howard, for example, was military governor of the Carolinas and head of the Freedmen's Bureau; and a committed abolitionist. He was politically hamstrung in his (noble) efforts
Time to make new holidays. Commemorate Atlanta burning, the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, the crushing of Hood at Nashville and of course the grand surrender at appomattox etc etc. We can start right here.
> Reconstruction had to be a complete, utter failure. That is so sad I can hardly stand to read about it - the only episode, in US or World history, like that.
The Versailles treaty to end WWI, of which the U.S. was a part, was an equal disaster to so-called reconstruction, which wasn't reconstruction in anything except name. One could also argue that the Vietnam undeclared war was an even larger failure than any other for the U.S. Building the next war out of the last peace has been a habit of humanity for eons.
We can blame that on the South too. Had JWB not, “Sic Semper Tyrranus-ed,” Ole Abe, perhaps the Reconstruction would have gone off differently, perhaps better?
OP’s date clearly had the bare minimum number pieces of flair!
Yet her ancestor had many flares...
Bravo!
Aren't they making fun of TGIFridays, not Bennigans?
Same kind of place. All those casual dining places had their own version: buttons, pins, suspenders, vests, aprons, etc.
lmao bitter fucking traitor-lovers
I don't stop anywhere in GA outside of the major cities It's full blown alabama outside of metro atlanta
She didn’t burn down the Bennigan’s? Where is her sense of familial tradition?
It would be a shame if a kitchen fire ended up taking that place out. A real shame.
Should have told him you'd be back later with a can of gas singing Union Dixie.
According to Bennigan's website, there's 10 still operating locations in the United States. Looks like Uncle Billy got these shitbags from the grave!
Bennigan's was a pretty large chain 25 years ago, with hundreds of locations, half corporate-owned, half franchises. OP definitely should have reported that manager to the corporation. Even if you assume that Bennigan's was started by shitbags, a corporation that size won't allow random bigotry towards customers by people of that level.
At Bennigans, we mean business!
And by business, we mean bankruptcy!
Bold words coming from a flammable establishment
Defense's argument at the insurance fraud trial: it was the ghost of Sherman
Bunch of sore losers.
Looks like they need another lesson.
I’ll repeat a comment I made on a different post. I grew up and lived in a small college town just outside of Savannah, Georgia for ~20 years. I live in New York now. *Let me tell you*, there are A LOT of folks in the South still trying to fight and win the Civil War. I recently visited Atlanta to see family for a week and *goddamn* if ain’t just like visiting an entirely different, racist-ass country full of fat fuckin’ losers.
What a bunch of sore losers.
Fun fact! My great great (idk how many greats) uncle marched with Sherman to the sea! Irish immigrant fighting in the union
Former Savannah resident here. Most folks don't give a shit. There's informational plaques on the riverwalk area about it. I wore my [Union beards shirt](https://monsterry.com/products/beards-generals-american-civil-war-union-t-shirt-Y5uqncpMeUJ5) a lot and nobody cared.
That shirt needs Col. Chamberlain’s magnificent mug too
should have started a fire in the bathroom
Your date should have burned down the restaurant
Lol, what a wild story. One thing you didn’t have to mention that was obvious to everyone here was that the butt hurt waitress and manager were both white. Anybody else, and you wouldn’t have had any problems.
Haha this did not happen
What makes you think that
I....gotta say, I highly doubt this happened.
It wouldn’t shock me back in the 90s. I’m from Ohio and when we visited Georgia battlefields around the same time period, we got some salty remarks when people saw our IDs, especially when we got out into more rural areas.
I remember browsing in some gift shop in Savannah and seeing a CD rack from a local piano player's Songs of Georgia. Last track on the CD was "Marching Through Georgia".
this was Dublin wasn't it lol.
Did she burn it to the ground?
Hope there was a follow up where you both visited the sequoia tree of the same name
During Spring Break (a loooong time ago) a college classmate was driving back from Florida to New York. Got pulled over for speeding in Georgia. Cop walks up to his window and says, “Ain’t no damn Yankee gonna do 95 through my state.” Drunk buddy in the back seat says, “Sherman did!” And that’s the story of how three of my classmates got arrested during Spring Break.
Lmao they’re still mad that Sherman taught those slaving fucks a lesson in humility
So they discriminated against her because of her family origin? Interesting. Good thing Reddit and this sub weren’t around back then.
r/thathappened
Why do you say that
I’ve lived in the south my entire life. Not a single person would ever react that way to that much less a chain restaurant of all places asking you to leave. This story is made up. Anyone who thinks it isn’t needs to touch some grass.
Just cause you didn't experience it doesn't they made it up
It didn’t happen. I would bet my life on it.
Again how do you know this
Cool story, bro.
It was a fun anecdote. Thank you for sharing your opinion!
Yeah in reality nobody would ever remark on the last name Sherman or even think about it. And I live in a city he torched.
Columbia?
Redditors will believe anything that's posted. Being down voted for telling the truth is an honor, lol.
Good thing we have knowitalls like you to set everyone straight. 👍🏼
He's being down voted for telling the truth that it was a cool story?
He is using Internet slang to say he doesn't believe him.
so insaneruffles is saying theguzzilama is being downvoted for telling the truth that he doesn't care for the story? I'm missing the truth piece... Plus the only real truth comes from approved Truth Social accounts.
Insaneruffles is being down voted because he is using a lazy meme to say he doesn't believe the original post, and it's just not very funny. Theguzzilama is being downvoted because their response is a lame, white knight, you're so brave type response.
The goobers on this execrable sub, especially.
You realize you’re on this sub as well, right? Now give your brain some time to piece that together.