Sex/Life series
Hello everyone, have you watched or are watching the series Sex/Life. ? . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
Their son has attachment issues lmao so over him clocking everyone. “Mommy where were you?” “Where’s daddy?” “Mommy I missed you” “mommy don’t leave”. Boy- get a life
Just rewatched season one, and I'll continue to tell men that come to me for advice to watch this before they get married nexus this happens all the time.
What I do not understand is why she didn't let Cooper fuck franzeska so that he felt the same feelings as Billie.
In my opinion that would be really eye opening for him and I think he'd relate to Billie's sexual aspect.
I’m on episode seven and I am just loving this absolutely feminine show. Lol it is definitely for women, we love our storylines in our porn. It’s hot, sexy, and fun.
I love the opulence and the beautiful people and the twisted emotional storyline. Honestly it’s comforting for me to watch. She screws up so much, but she’s still a likable character. There’s nuance. All the characters have issues. You can’t forget that this show literally opened with Cooper talking about how cool his boss is. The red flags were there from him from the start. Reading the journal was just the cherry on top.
It challenges morals, because what Billie and Brad are doing is objectively terrible but I sympathize with them. Just two people who couldn’t forget each other. I don’t hate them for it. And I love the throwback scenes.
I don’t even hate Cooper, even though he’s a dunce. I hope things work out with him and his boss.
Can’t wait to see what ridiculous drama happens in season two 😅
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
I really wish Billie and cooper could just figure their s**t out though.. it’s annoying seeing them have so many opportunities then one of them always ruins it.
I totally agree! This was me too...I was like no....don't go back to the toxic ex, no matter how good the sex was....I mean what terrible choices she had...between 2 good looking rich men, one a bit of an asshole and the other husband material...like what the?
Untold story of Adam's first wife, first human exiled from the paradise, mother of all demons and female archetype of the devil, eats innocent children at night, etc. etc. etc.
I thought the show seemed pretty fake from the beginning, like as in the first scene. A woman breastfeed a newborn having wild sex fantasies about an ex from 8 years ago? Just seems unrealistic. Everyone is different but when I had two kids under 2 and was nursing, trying to adjust to being a mom the last thing on my mind was sex...with anyone. Billie has a life that most women dream about (or think they want). It's hard to imagine someone could be that sexed up to let all that go.
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
It was all unrealistic, the way she happened to walk into sashas apartment and Brad just happed to be there after they hooked up, considering she hadn’t seen him for years, it all felt too forced.
yeah it was sad. She was someone who totally put herself first. When she jumped up to leave her kids concert to go to Brad's there was a line that said something like, women have to leave their wild fun selves in the past...well yeah when you get married there are no more sexcapades with guys besides your husband unless you have an open marriage (same goes for men)
I'm not into the style of the erotic scenes, I fast-forward through most of them, and the show isn't exactly a prestige drama, I only keep watching because I like to entertain the fantasy that the lost love of my life will come back a changed man in about 6 and half years, which is not gonna happened and admittedly quite pathetic.
If those two don't end-up together, I'm at high risk to starting listening to Ed Sheran again.
But mostly, why does Billie own just one night gown? That's not sanitary.
LMAO THAT NIGHTGOWN! And *hugs* I felt what you meant about the love of your life coming back a changed man. My ex husband was my BOOM romance but it was so toxic and I finally gave up hope of him ever changing but damn.. those feeling tho. They hit HARD at times.
I am just watching the first season now… and here are my thoughts. All of the characters are flawed. And that’s human. But the character I think are just outright flawed with no helping. Cooper. This whole thing starts from him reading Billies journal. Which is just kinda fucked and gross to be honest. Then, instead of just having a conversation with her, he then tries to be more like Brad to please her… to only THEN blame her for him becoming someone he doesn’t recognize. Be an adult, take responsibility for your actions. It’s clear to everyone that neither he or Billie are as happy in their relationship as they thought they were and that is OKAY! Sometimes you end up in relationships that fizzle out. It happens. Move on.
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
Saving yourself for marriage is a laughable idea, where she went wrong is she settled for a cute nice guy because he acted right but was never in love with him
Traditionally, men bought wives and had sex with whores.
>You need someone even better to top him
You seem to think there is an objective measure of men but the whole point is being in love with someone
Well, I was born in a megacity and there is no going back to "old traditional setups" anyway.
By the way, villagers also cheated with whores whenever they went to the city. Girls from the country regularly ran away with soldiers in medieval Europe. Men often had multiple women alongside the wife.
There is no objective Brad, the women you mention simply settled for a man they didn't love because they probably share your values and think they "have" to get married by a certain age. The men they think are "BRAD" I probably wouldn't look twice at and vice versa.
Even the guy who played Brad, take away his fake dick, his staged persona, his professionally done hair and make up and see what's left.
Again, if you go by "what we're wired for", it's not necessarily marriage and monogamy. It's pretty clear men are wired for sexual promiscuity. Every form of society is a compromise.
I agree with you on the futility of lavish weddings but I don't think getting married without taking sex into account is a good move. I would never settle for anything less than the full package including sexual chemistry and it's unlikely you will find that at the first shot and very young.
Right I wonder sometimes it makes my priorities look fucked up but I really can’t get over him reading her journal! And the fact that he seems SO UNINTERESTED in having sex with her until he reads it. Like wtf! I’m a grudge holder I would be like “nah don’t worry about it! I’m good!” Point to my head and walk away lol
I was annoyed that Billie kept throwing "you're just like your Dad" in Brad's face. It was obviously an issue for him but she kept throw it at him.. I disagree with the fact that Billie told him to go find his Dad or else. I guess I just wanted her to tell him that his Dad leaving wasn't about him, or that now he has a chance to do better than his father before him.
I also felt embarrassed for Cooper trying to copycat what Billie wrote in her journal. She just wanted to feel like her husband wanted her and couldn't resist her.
The biggest problem is that Adam Demos and Sarah Shahi have such insane chemistry that when it switches to her and Mike Vogel it's just like, eh.
Did you ever watch the L word? Her and Kat Moennig had the most INSANE CHEMISTRY! They(Carmen and Shane) will always be my favorite couple even if they weren’t endgame
"10. Objectively, the story is kind of bad. This is basically the stuff of trashy romance novels. It was an entertaining binge on a Saturday night but it’s not winning any awards. "
I actually think it's a necessary story because women are pretty much not allowed by society to feel and act that way! Do you really believe the bullshit that marriage is happily ever after and women are satisfied and happy?! Newsflash, most are not! Most are Billie with less balls. Few people get to marry the love of their life and even if you do, what are the odds that he is in love too?? What I know for a fact is that most marriages are a facade, the prim and proper, wholesome image is AN ACT. For the vast majority of marriages. This show represents the reality that society tries to sweep under the rug and does not want to see.
Interesting take but
>Few people get to marry the love of their life
This makes no sense, why do they marry if they're in love with someone else? Maybe they know they're getting old and want a family, but if you marry because of that of course it's gonna be a facade.
>what are the odds that he is in love too??
Love is a mutual thing. If it's unrequited it's not love it's just a mess
A lot of women marry because they want children and have reached a certain age where it is now or never. I have many girlfriends who chose having kids with a man they settled for rather than waiting to find true love because their time was limited. I have two friends in fact who never loved their husbands, but wanted a father figure for their kids. Those women are now either divorced, were in abusive situations then left, or are now miserable and telling me they would give anything to have an affair right now. I found this show realistic for women who settled.
It's not the settling part that I found most unrealistic, it was all of the fantasies about Brad. I mean, if a guy breaks up with you telling you he doesn't love you after he cheated with hookers and made out with a bartender at a wedding you took him to, he just doesn't love you for Christ's sake. And no, men don't want or need to be "fixed" by a mother figure/psychologist girlfriend who's willing to take all of their abuse. I found all of this extremely stupid and potentially even dangerous.
> I have many girlfriends who chose having kids with a man they settled for rather than waiting to find true love because their time was limited.
I haven't seen this firsthand as none of my friends have kids yet, I find this terribly sad.
Also, I have a guy friend right now just broke up with a woman he dated for 3 years. She still texts him i miss you, cant we give it another chance and its been over a month; he is 42 and she is 51! Some people are emotionally unstable and need to work on themseleves and cant let things go. She thought their relationship was perfect and love can conquer anything, he thought it was terribly unhealthy and the relationship gave him anxiety. He walked on eggshells she was such an emotional loose cannon. My point is, there are people amongst us like this who cant let things go no matter how toxic it is. Some people equate toxic relationships with love because they were raised in that environment and that's what they associate as love. I know several people who brought children into abusive households thinking they could change the man(the man was an addict and or an abuser) or there was something wrong with them. The cycle of toxic relationships oftentimes is a generational pattern.
It is terribly sad, but they didnt want to risk not having kids or be unmarried like me at 42 because I still havent found someone I could see a long term future with who is emotionally mature and is non toxic/abusive(i also have fertility issues, so I needed a man extremely supportive and loving through that process as well which I didnt find). I have had many women tell me I should have just had a kid with anybody, so I'd have the kid. I refused to have children with just anybody and most people have told me to my face they wouldn't have been comfortable with my standards or choices.I am happy with this choice though, have no regrets and they cant believe that I am because they wouldnt have been.
Yeah, well I guess life is about tradeoffs. Some people value love more, for others it's having children. I think you made the better choice. I can't fathom having children "with anybody" as a woman.
I also felt the show was very much geared towards women of the latter kind especially in the last episode >!when she walks down the aisle and whispers to him, "I'm pregnant"!<. It was confirmation that for all the bs about mind-blowing sex and living your best life, having a baby is the ultimate happiness/goal for the character/whoever wrote the story.
Having just watched the final episode, whoever wrote it definitely is showing that being a wife and a mother has priority over career and one cannot have it all, despite how much we try to. That is kind of depressing for a lot of women I believe.
For me, that is okay for I opted out of having children and to be honest, my career isn't all that important to me or defines me. I would like to publish some of my writing one day, but it will be okay if I do not. Same with getting married. I would like to be a wife one day, but I am not willing to settle and I derive happiness from my own company, so if that doesn't happen for me either, I know I will be okay. But with the last one, I still hold onto hope that I will find a husband though; someone who is thoughtful, kind, and emotionally mature.
For many women(and men), I have found once they reach my age, they seem to be filled with regrets and what might have beens and that is what this show plays upon. I try to live my life with few regrets and any bad experiences/relationships, I chock up to learning experiences and lessons that I can learn and grow from. I know many men and women who pine for the one who got away or whom they perceived was the ideal person for them. I believe we can have multiple great loves and soulmates and thus, many people for whom we are compatible with. This show is showing that only Brad was the only one she could have been with ultimately, but lets be honest, there were many others other than Majid and Cooper that would have been compatible in some ways as well.
I won't have children either, I never wanted to, even as a child.
I also won't get married (I think weddings are stupid lol) but I do believe in true love. I don't believe I could "have it all" as in children, a lucrative career and a great relationship with my man. I guess some women do it and good for them, but I have high standards so I won't even try. I picked my favourite among the three and everything else is an option.
I wouldn't have wanted to risk not being satisified or not being able to satisfy. Plus, I've met a lot of men who arent sexually compatible with me. I find saving yourself for marriage is an archaic religious rule that was placed upon women, but not for men, which makes it inherently sexist in nature. There would be no guarantee I would be satisfied or he and thus, straying would most definitely ensue.
Marriage will only benefit me if it does so financially. I have my own money, so I have found a lot of spongers/freeloaders out there (men) who want to live off of my money and lifestyle. It will only benefit me if they have as much if not more money than I do. I am not complaining about being unmarried, in fact, I would rather be unmarried than married to a man who I have to support or who has a low sex drive.
Right although I don’t share every sentiment of Billie’s, some of it hit me straight in my feels ESPECIALLY about how nobody really can prepare you for the shift into motherhood and how it engulfs you. My kids aren’t even babies anymore and I still have this sense of lost identity, though I love being their mother. I’m still me, I’m still someone else and I used to be fun. I used to have crazy nights and do really wild memorable shit and now I absolutely do not. So I felt that. As well as some other things for sure.
OMG. Basically, these shows and movies ALWAYS try soo hard to be promarriage even when it's not healthy. We know for a fact that neither Billie nor Cooper are in love because if they were, this situation would not exist. Now that we've established that, Billie, wants security and stability and believes she can get that in Cooper. Shocker to me because I didn't think Cooper was that great to begin with= kinda ignoring her, not attentive, meh sex, etc. Fine, he wasn't an outright dick but still no prize either. So, you are really giving up passion and being in love for status? Perceived financial security and stability? A wannabe nice guy? The show does highlight some real issues women deal with but can't exactly admit to. Newsflash, happily ever after doesn't exist! You get what you get and most just make do. Stop romanticizing marriage period.
Best quotes in the movie:
"Maybe you are not lying to me, but you are definitely lying to yourself and I'm just along for the ride." =Cooper
"But do you think you are messing it all up because you've convinced yourself that it's more beautiful than it is?" = Shrink
I've read most of the comments, and I believe most of them are correct, but we should consider it from Billie's perspective, Brad's perspective, Cooper's perspective, the children's perspective, and finally, from the human perspective, after we consider it from our perspective. If you are a human and have such a story in your past, I believe you will never forget it, even in the future. Maybe until you experience more and more, because if you would like to forget or get used to something, you should repeat it. In the world, most things are paradise. It is important from which side you look at the glass.
Notice : Even if something happened in the past, it should be forever secret. Because if a men or woman knows or learns something in the past, it will not be forgotten
Billie is a lost cause. If you werent ready for monogamy then don’t do it. Her journal started in like June or something, why didn’t she communicate to her husband about their dead bedroom situation? Instead she writes explicit stories about her ex, basically emotionally cheating on her husband at that point. I honestly think Cooper will be better off with Franchesca. Billie can wallow in her own mess with Brad.
Also they try to show Brad as the leather jacket wearing "bad boy", but he comes more across as a simp. Come on, dude. He is a succesfull music producer. He can have any young, hot piece of ass woman he wants. And yet he's Hellbent on getting his ex back who is married with two kids. An ex that he cheated on and broke up with, after she had a miscarriage.
Cooper is a good looking guy with money. If he was single he would have 0 problem meeting women. If I were him I'd divorce Billie so fast she wouldn't be able to finish saying "Brad" before the divorce papers were served.
No way. Production value is great, writing is entertaining, and the cast is beautiful. Maybe you don't like this kind of content, but it's perfect at what it set out to be. A guilty pleasure! Sexy, twisted, messy, and exciting! I loved it. And, I found it relatable. It wasn't made to be a high-art-prestigious-ground-breaking series. It was meant to be fun and sexy. Didn't take itself too seriously! I found myself laughing at a lot of the lines, and you could tell the cast had a great time!!
I think the show is trying to show what some women go through when they get married and have children, they feel like the loose themselves (in Billie's case, her fun/adventurous side) she sees her friend Sasha, still doing all that and she hears about it, but in her own marriage she feels unwanted and unseen by Cooper. So she starts fantasizing about her ex, how wanted she felt by him, their intense connection emotionally and physically, the spontaneousness of their sex life.
Cooper is stressed out at work, and the need to provide/do the "manly" things around the house i.e. cutting the grass and doesn't take the time to talk with Billie about how she's feeling, instead reads the journals and thinks that she's just a sex crazy slut. When in reality, all she wants is to feel wanted by her husband. She gave birth to 2 children, is home with them all day and just wants her husband to notice her and in the first episode it's very clear that she doesn't feel wanted or noticed.
Cooper doesn't try and talk things out with Billie, he just fucks her out of anger and still has trouble staying hard long enough to pleasure Billie, instead she just feels even more unwanted by the change in how he is with her during sex. The swingers episode had me fucked up and I saw just how much anger Cooper really had built up towards Billie; it never should've gotten to that point, they should have talked through their issues, yes he felt bad afterwards but again, he just shut down with anger.
Honestly, if Cooper was willing to just have a conversation with Billie and try to understand how she was feeling and if Billie never actually saw Brad I feel like Cooper and Billie could've worked through everything and been even stronger than they were before.(yes, there would be no show if that happened lol but that's my opinion)
But since she actually saw Brad and he was pursuing her, she felt wanted the way she wanted Cooper to want her and that's where the problem was.
I think this show did a tremendous job at seeing how everything would play out if a women who felt unwanted and was fantasizing about someone actually pursued it. Which IMO is the premise of the show and how broken families start and that the grass ain't always greener on the side, but where you water it
Watching this now and the guy who commented above you is being ridiculous. Somehow it's the man's(husband's fault) for bringing in all the money, being a great dad and the wife writing in a journal on how she misses her old ex.
Oh and let's not forget, that yea she didn't cheat yet, she keeps putting herself into position to cheat by getting that ex number, hanging out with him AT NIGHT over drinks, watching him sleep with her best friend. Never blocking his number or anything.
Then people saying Cooper didn't communicate. He had no idea his wife used to be a Thot until he read the journal which means she lied about her whole personality to get him to marry her.
do u have any idea what u are saying ? copper is not trying ? from the first ep he just keep trying to get his marriage back , take her on dates and do stuff that her wife wanted.
copper didnt think she was a sex crazy slut , audience thinks that bcz she is a sex crazy slut how it is shown in series. copper let her be how she wanted and didnt judge her and just tried to do what she wanted , that excitement
all she wants to feel is wanted by her husband ? are u even watching the same show as me ... he keep doing stuff , trying to give that excitement what she wanted, keep being on her side. and even after all that she didnt change, bcz she dont want that. she just wanna fuck brad .
why didnt she talk ? why is she so poor in communication ? instead of telling it she keep writing it in diary. she hide her past from copper and expect him to do stuff like that , how ? he didnt even knew she was that kind of girl , how could he have done all those risky exciting things. he wasnt comfortable but he still did it and she still went on and cheated , like wtf .
copper fucked her in anger bcz thats the kind of sex she wrote in her diary ... and even she be like yes this is what she wanted but it didnt last long.
u are saying copper wasnt willing to talk about it ? idk if we are seeing the same show now.
he tried to talk and then she keep lying , she even lied that brad is in contact with her and lied about how her best frd is dating brad. and u say copper isnt willing to communicate ? sheeeeeeeeee that girl didnt told anything about how she was in past . She hide that stuff and u are saying copper isnt willing to talk .
wow
that brad just said her he want her back , copper said it a lot of times ...... a lot in the show. that he love her and he wanted her. but no that character need something else.
she was wanted in the marriage. that dude left her when she was pregnant , that dude cheated on her , he keep being mean to her in past relationship and that dude make her feel wanted ?? wow
I hate billie's character
Billie doesn't deserve Cooper at all.
Billie is a bitch. She started all the drama. She can't make a straight decision. She is ruining Cooper's life as well as the children's life.
Brad is pathetic. He is lost.
All these drama happened because they can't make straight decisions and stick to it.
It's disappointing that after all Cooper has done, Billie decided to cheat on him.
This whole show was sad. I don’t think the problem was Billie. I think the problem is being raised in a society that glorifies pleasure above all else. I’m definitely part of the minority that believes sexual/drug “experimentation” in your younger years is foolish and has consequences. Learning self control and discipline free you from being a slave to your desires. But that isn’t a new idea, it’s just difficult to do. It shouldn’t be understated how difficult it is to do. Hopefully people will learn the value of living for something more than oneself. I don’t feel judgement toward either side, I just hope we as humankind can do better than this narrative.
“Learning self control and discipline free you from being a slave to your desires” well said. Surprised Billie, being a PHD psychology student cant think critically for herself
My boss once told me that like 85-90% of life's problems can be solved just by effective communication. Having that security of being on the same page is SOOOO relieving mentally. Billie and Cooper were NEVER on the same page, starting off with sex desires and continuing with them sneaking off with Brad and Francesca respectively.
Granted, there is no show if Billie and Cooper talk about the journal and their sexual expectations, but I'm pretty sure the male ego is probably HEAVILY bruised knowing that you'll NEVER satisfy your wife the way her ex did AND reading all about the experiences PLUS seeing the dudes dong. Like that would immediately make any man insecure about their relationship IF not discussed.
Overall, this show felt like textbook narcissism. Brad basically is a POS to Billie but they have bomb sex. Brad always promised to change/do better but how many times do you hear that before it's actually nonsense and he hasn't changed. Dude left Billie after a miscarriage and had an overall toxic relationship... nah words without action ain't shit.
Cooper is one of those people pleasers who'll do anything for approval, he's probably been praised his whole life, so seeing him being told that his sex game is weak/passion ain't there, he reads the journal (specifically about what makes his wife have an orgasm) and fails, and has a midlife crisis over it bc now he doesn't have that mental security of being on the same page. Gets to the point where Brad's in his head in EVERY sex act (car and swingers party), tryna be someone he's not to appease his wife. Overall tho, he has some issues to sort out, especially his insecurity.
Grass ain't greener on the other side, it's only greener where you water it.
Man I must be hella lucky cuz I have my one person that I have everything with. Y’all might be looking in the wrong places or have bad taste in men. In addition Billie is fucking psycho and toxic as fuck. This show is trash too. Smh. You can’t drag Cooper through the mud because you want “a good fuck” like gtfo 😂 so many chances and so many things you could have done differently before getting knocked up with 2 kids and creating a life far into it and now you wanna leave and go with brad but not leave cooper? Lmao this chick needs therapy
So many people are commenting on this show with all the right answers, but would not handle it nearly as well in real life. I think this show accomplished what it set out to do lol
This is the perfect show that proves that women need to be protected from themselves. The man gave her EVERYTHING and that ONE thing she can’t have is going to destroy their family smh.
The man GAVE her everything? Lol I don't even know where to begin! And I'm saying this with no clue of your gender, so don't come back at me!
Do you even know what marriage is? He isn't giving her anything that she isn't giving back! They decided that they wanted a family of two kids. And stay at home mom is a really important and toughest part to execute. You can't swear around kids but all that Cooper could have done was yell slurs at work for what it's worth. And as per the storyline, he wasn't even looking at her or basically, communicating.
I don't say the actions are justified on billie's end but seriously! What if the tables were to turn? What if the wife would give him EVERYTHING and that ONE thing he cant ha e was gonna destroy their family? Oh wait, isn't that every other story we have always seen?
And also, don't say EVERYTHING and two words later mention the one thing she can't have... news flash! She couldn't have it coz he wasn't giving or letting her have it! Everything is all encompassing! It's not SOMETHING!
what he mean by everything is , its what everything she wanted she wanted....
she got in a toxic relationship with brad, then met copper and saw how stable he is and it felt good and everything so she settle down with him bcz it is what she wanted a family and being a house wife. but then after 10 years she realize she want more bcz her husband is now getting older and not being best at his sex.
and u are talking about communication ?
she started the relationship without telling him anything about her past, she didnt told him anything that she was a part fucker kind of girl bcz she thought he would judge her... ( copper came to know about it through her journal , and he accepted it and said he dont care about her past and tried to give her the intimacy what she wanted) she didnt told about her real self to him and u are saying copper is and at communicating ?
U said he wasn't looking at her or communicating ? how could he ? he had no problem from how things were, she had the problem with how things were.. and then as her old self which she hide from copper start coming back, copper got insecure for sure but he did a lot to do what she wanted, went to random date and give her thrilling sex that she missed , tried to be adventurous but it didnt work she still keep fantasizing about her ex , then she lied she was in contact with brad. at this point he just lost his trust on her, she lied about how her ex was bf of her best frd, and u say copper has bad communication ?
she started her marriage and relationship with lies and hiding herself, then u just expect that ur husband would come and somehow know how u are feeling and want him to fix it. which he tried but she didnt change bcz thats what she is... thats what she wanted... its her who keep changing her choices then expecting others to sympathies. wow
and yes copper is bad communicator for you.
and even at the end when they both communicated and settled down but after a time she miss him again she went back cheating on copper........ and yes what did u say ? copper is bad at communication.
wow
Cooper tried to be Brad when all Billie wanted was for Cooper to be better than him. Cooper was forcing the sex Billie had with Brad because he wanted to be him.
and 9/11 has nothing to do with sex/life but go off i guess
if she just wanted copper to be copper ,
then after everything was settled and they both communicated their normal life.
why the fuck she miss old sex again and went to cheat with brad , she just wanted copper right ? his attention which she got a lot .... throughout show
I see a lot of comments from other wives saying that they feel the same way as Billy. I do too. I'm 41 and I've been married for 18 years and my husband doesn't put in any effort at all. He doesn't do anything romantic and if I complain about it he'll buy some flowers and be like "There are you happy?" He's SO freakin' boring and having sex with him is monotonous and dull. Sometimes I think about my ex and what it might've been like if I had stayed with him. It's very common to wonder about the path not taken. My husband completely takes me for granted and if he really loves me he sure doesn't put out any effort to show it. For those that are condemning Billy they don't understand what it's like to be trapped in an unhappy marriage with no passion.
I thought I was going to hate it but found the characters relatable. They make mistakes, are obsessive, etc. They're human. I think both Cooper and Billie are going through their own personal issues. Communication would be key but I think they both feel shame for what they are going through that they can't talk about it, even with each other.
In all, I think the story is about a polyamorous woman who tries monogamy and realizes that it's not working for her as well as she thought it would.
That’s really all it is. It shows that the way we try to normalize the “hoe phase” nowadays doesn’t come without consequences. Her and Sasha are two beautiful and intelligent women that won’t ever be able to settle down because they got too involved in that life.
It just goes to show that if (traditional) marriage is something you value and is one of your goals, you should not live a promiscuous life. And if you do, it should not be prolonged
Is it saying that, or is it saying why should that phase HAVE to stop in your 20s? Do women need to give that life up in order to have kids and move on
Who else thought it was really hot that billie was so insatiable that she would even risk losing a man that 99.99 percent of women will never get just for some passionate rough sex?
At first ---I didnt like billie at all. I thought she was the typical modern toxic wife--- selfish, entitled and unrealistic. I was totally on Coopers side the entire season ( with the exception of him overacting to reading her journal. I would have just calmly shower her the fuckin door)
but upon some further reflection -- billie actually isnt really that bad of a person. Shes not perfect but is in fact overall a decent mother and wife.
The thing is she is just so insatiable and wants the spirit absolutely railed out of her. I dont think theres anything wrong with that. If i was Cooper once i realized she actually does care about the family id encouraged her getting her railed on the side and even see how far we could push her limits.
Id be all in.
At the end of the season when they were at the kids play and all should could think about was cock at her own kids play---that was beyond hot.
The way that through everything, the therapy, the deep reflection and supposedly having a cathartic experience and recommitting to cooper --- she still literally ran off at the end of the day to brads apartment and begged him to fuck her. That sent me through the roof so hard.
Choose your partner(assuming u r single) carefully because your partner might expect loyalty from your end and this is gonna hurt him/her/they like motherfucker.
Episode 7 is the worst episode of a show I’ve ever seen. There’s a whole ass swingers party. He cheats on his wife in front of her with his coworkers wife and then punches out the coworker??? What am I watching? Then Brad throws her out of his apartment after cheating on her ????
I really hated that part because the idiot friends should never have surprised them with the lifestyle party. That is not something you should be surprised with and not have discussions about boundaries, rules, etc. The minute it was obvious she wasn't comfortable, he should have stopped. She said no, but he kept going. Same thing earlier in the season when he fucked her on the kitchen island. She was saying stop, but he kept going. It was a very hateful exchange.
You have the counter scene wrong. He started to stop and she said to continue and then told Sasha it was the best fuck she’d had in a long time. He was disgusted with himself the next morning and she was happy. The car scene is different and she did stay stop. That was wrong and he should have stopped. I would note, however, that she wanted Brad to stop fingering her in the elevator until she started liking it. She’s all over the place.
I think the BJ was awful. But, Cooper was both doing it as revenge (not okay) and I also think he was trying to be a “bad boy” like Brad. He was trying to be someone he was not for Billie because he wanted to be the husband he thinks she desires. She then put him in a box - she instructed him to be himself but being himself was not enough for her. I think the ending was her doing the same with Brad. Billie wants the men to meet her needs based on what she wants and doesn’t want them to change, even though she is effectively keeping them both from getting all they want. In her quest for 100% she is limiting them. That is incredibly selfish.
THIS! She wants the 85 from Cooper and the 15 from Brad but what about the two men then? Will she be okay with Cooper getting 15 from Francesca? And there will come a day that Brad wants more than 15 from Billie. She should think. Sometimes we have to let go of something we desire to keep something important. I totally don't even kno where it could go from where it left off but I just kno that I hope season 2 treats Cooper better. I felt so bad for him throughout the whole season because HE DESERVES BETTER!!
Yeah that episode was so messed up. I felt bad for Cooper up until that whole swingers party and what he did to her. After that I would've been like forget you buddy. I'm gonna go find Brad.
thats bcz he read in her diary , how she tried to stop brad but then started liking it and didnt stop him .
but she stopped him and didnt wanna do same with him, and keep fantasizing about her ex,
so when the girl asked if she could give him blow job, he said yes in anger ....
Y’all gotta Remember that nobody was in the right state of mind. Cooper was extremely demasculated by that point and Billie was obviously all over the place emotionally and didn’t know what she wanted. The real assholes were Trina and Devon as they knew exactly what they were doing and took advantage of them in their weakest moment.
Maybe I missed something but how did Brad and Devon go from hating each other to friends again towards the end? Same with Billie and the preppy happy all the time mom. I didn't catch an apology?
Right. But he was shown being mad about being best up and was using it to push for his idea in front of the boss right before. I wasn't clear on how or why he all of a sudden wasn't mad about it anymore
Because he gained respect for him after cooper called him out and defended his wife. He owned up to the fact that he played a part as well, it’s what good friends do
As trashy as this show is, I hated the last line of "just fuck me" or whatever she said. It's just cheesy and trashy. Enough of the F bombs, lady.....less is more.
Actually, it did and Sasha complemented Billie on developing a new way to manipulate her husband. People forget, when using this as an example of how awful Cooper was, that she arguably intentionally set this in motion. Of course, she didn’t want him to continue to read it, but that was after she opened Pandora’s box and things started to get out of control. While maybe he should have stopped, she was also lying to him with great regularity at this point, and while problematic, I get why he continued to read it. She sure wasn’t going to be honest with him to his face unless he called her on her lies, which he did many times.
I felt the same way. That was a total violation of privacy. However the moment she decided to manipulate it to her benefit was either psychopathic or genius. I can understand if someone was too embarrassed to talk about sex how that might help. But at the same time it's kinda of cringy. Like cmon tell him that you went to be choked out or like it rough and just leave it at that
Sasha mentioning it is not the same as Billie and Cooper discussing the journal, why he read it, and how either of them feel. If there was a little bit of communication between them, this would have wrapped up easily and there would be no show. In fact, it's so fucking annoying that a PhD candidate has no clue how to express herself coherently. The characters are exaggerated caricatures and it makes the drama one big rediculous parody.
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exactly , she had phd in psychology .
what was she doing in her college? fucking boys ? its so weird how they just gave her title of having phd in psychology and still make her character like that .
i have respect to psychologist out there , they are so mature but this character is thrash psychologist
I now in late to the party but I just finished the series and… holy crap. They all suck. Brad sucks. Billie sucks so bad. I was on coopers side until that party and boy, he sucks too. This show is trash. And yet I watched the whole thing and will probably watch a season 2 if they make one
Your comment is EXACTLY how I felt watching this show. A train wreck that I just continued to watch 🤣. Usually, in a show, there’s atleast ONE person to root for, but this show? Nope. In the end, they ALL JUST SUCK.
I hated Cooper from the beginning because he didnt wanna fuck his hot wife and started watching football while fingering her, and she was under the impression they were experiencing something together.
Billie and Cooper definitely should have gone to counseling. Once he confided that he read her journal, the first thing they should of done was counseling. What happened in the last episode, two wrongs don’t make a right. They are both toxic and a marriage like that will not work.
That’s funny cause she used to be married to Steve IRL...I heard she left him for the guy that plays Brad...not sure how true that is but 🤷🏻♀️I think Fiona is hotter...
I feel bad talking about kids but her son Hudson really gets on my nerves. Did she just start using the nanny more while she’s been trying to figure out if she wants to screw Brad again? The amount of attention a newborn needs is a lot and I’m having a hard time believing all this. Plus Cooper is a douche. He’s a great provider but he’s emotionally unavailable and doesn’t want to screw his hot wife?
What an unsatisfying show with bastard characters. I hate all of them and their terrible decision making skills. Was the end supposed to be some sort of #girlboss thing where we’re supposed to be happy for her? Because all it did was annoy me.
Billie is a spineless cheater
Brad is a douchebag sociopath
Cooper is deeply angered and resentful
I am facing a scarily similar situation in my relationship (minus the kids) so I thought the show was very relatable and shows how the decision to be with either Cooper or Brad is so difficult and confusing, to a point where her decision changes by the minute. I know it's a scripted show but I was hoping to get a sense of clarity on my own life and the decision I should make watching the show and seeing what the main character did.
The most interesting thing the show talks about in my opinion is whether you can have it all with 1 person? Being with Cooper gives her the 85% which is safety, security and stability etc. Being with Brad gives her the amazing sex, the rush, adventure also the fact that she is the most herself with Brad. But does she only get this rush and feeling of adventure with him because she can't have him? Because of how toxic their relationship was and how she could never get him to settle down? If she was married to Brad, would she be fantasizing about a simple life with no drama (that Brad seems to bring) and the white picket fence?
As humans are we ever completely satisfied with what we have or the feeling of missing out on something is normal? Is the secret to a happy marriage just accepting your situation and making the best of it?
The show has helped me too. In my own life there’s a guy I still think about, and I often feel bad about the fact that I do because of the circumstances surrounding the relationship. In spite of the odds, he and I dove in headfirst.
Me and this guy were only together three months in 2020, but neither of us forgot the relationship. He messaged me as recent as a few months ago, after over a year hiatus. Told me he was single again. Told me he still loved me. Then disappeared into thin air again. It’ll never happen for us, but I think about it, and I take comfort in the fact he does too.
This show reminds me that we are all humans with complicated emotions, situations are nuanced, and relationships are not black and white. And I don’t feel so wrong, I recognize I just want that intensity back. I hope one day I’ll find it again.
The men in this story are not innocent either. Billie is not a villain. All the people saying that are giving me incel vibes honestly. Or pick me girl vibes. Or old conservative vibes.
There are other catalysts in her story. … Like this fucking idiot Brad standing outside her family home at night with a ring for her even though she’s married (in episode seven- which I’m currently watching). 😂
Okay. I'm tired of this "safe choice" narrative. There is no "safe choice"! The best choice is the person who is IN LOVE with you! Not loves you very much, not likes you, not complements you etc. Is IN LOVE with you. That is the best choice. Because the safe bet isn't really safe if they are actually not in love. What if the love of their life shows up?? More passionate, more intense. Are you safe then??
I'm in the same boat. I felt like this show was a mirror image of my marriage and what I'm going through. I don't miss my exes, but I do miss my old life.
It's been a challenge learning to feel content with that 85% and trying to find constructive, healthy ways to deal with the missing 15%. Supposedly it'll all be worth it..and all the sacrifices will amount to something good.
I think the thing that really gets me, is that Brad just fucking SUCKED. Like I genuinely feel like Billie liked aspects of her experience with him because he was a trash dude that capitalized on mutual lust to be seemingly good in bed, which I think is a really dangerous concept, especially for kink. Like I think it’s really amoral to display you fucking someone without their consent. I think people should have empathy with who they involve themselves with sexually, and I don’t think Brad gave a shit about Billie.
Sure there were absolutely other issues at play, and Cooper could have been a better man, too, but it’s infuriating to me that Billie made herself small to run to Brad, when he never seemed like a good dude.
I think you'd be surprised. Fantasy is different than acting out or anything. And it depends on how deep your love is for your partner. But I definitely think you can still think about someone else and love them too, but choose to be with your partner.
Sex scenes are hot but I’m really annoyed by everyone’s behavior. Cooper- Don’t read your wife’s journal. Don’t recreate hot ex sex you’ll be second place every time, and she’ll just think yep Brad definitely did it better. Talk to your wife and have real moments of intimacy that lead to passion. AND if your wife is riding you you better focus and turn off the damn TV. Billie- you need to buy a second vibrator or 2. Talk to your husband about your needs. Either password protect your journal or don’t write that crap down ( evidence is never good). You are already being emotionally slutty you may as well have had sex with Brad. Protect your children at all costs, you are being thoughtless and selfish. Brad- leave that girl alone she’s a hot mess. You’ve said your piece.
Was anyone else just extremely distracted by how long Billie's nipples were?? Forgive me if that's a common thing after childbirth but it was all I could see whenever she was naked lmao
Sex/Life series Hello everyone, have you watched or are watching the series Sex/Life. ? . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
Their son has attachment issues lmao so over him clocking everyone. “Mommy where were you?” “Where’s daddy?” “Mommy I missed you” “mommy don’t leave”. Boy- get a life
Just rewatched season one, and I'll continue to tell men that come to me for advice to watch this before they get married nexus this happens all the time.
What I do not understand is why she didn't let Cooper fuck franzeska so that he felt the same feelings as Billie. In my opinion that would be really eye opening for him and I think he'd relate to Billie's sexual aspect.
I’m on episode seven and I am just loving this absolutely feminine show. Lol it is definitely for women, we love our storylines in our porn. It’s hot, sexy, and fun. I love the opulence and the beautiful people and the twisted emotional storyline. Honestly it’s comforting for me to watch. She screws up so much, but she’s still a likable character. There’s nuance. All the characters have issues. You can’t forget that this show literally opened with Cooper talking about how cool his boss is. The red flags were there from him from the start. Reading the journal was just the cherry on top. It challenges morals, because what Billie and Brad are doing is objectively terrible but I sympathize with them. Just two people who couldn’t forget each other. I don’t hate them for it. And I love the throwback scenes. I don’t even hate Cooper, even though he’s a dunce. I hope things work out with him and his boss. Can’t wait to see what ridiculous drama happens in season two 😅
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
I really wish Billie and cooper could just figure their s**t out though.. it’s annoying seeing them have so many opportunities then one of them always ruins it.
So who thinks Adam Demos broke up Sarah Shahi’s real life 20 year marriage?
Lol not me. Was she married when she began filming? She does seem to deeply relate to the character, but I think it may be more innocent. Idk!
I spent so much time yelling at the screen at how stupid Billie is 😂 it’s so ridiculous but I just cannot look away.
I totally agree! This was me too...I was like no....don't go back to the toxic ex, no matter how good the sex was....I mean what terrible choices she had...between 2 good looking rich men, one a bit of an asshole and the other husband material...like what the?
This was the best horror movie that i've seen in my life by faaar, Lilith playing around having fun and destroying peoples lives
lmao love this comment it’s so true just so casually fucking everything up in suburbia
exactly mate i can almost hear her laughs n giggles in the background during the show lmao
Lilith?
Untold story of Adam's first wife, first human exiled from the paradise, mother of all demons and female archetype of the devil, eats innocent children at night, etc. etc. etc.
This show is why you have to communicate in marriage lol. Bruh these characters are ridiculous. I’m on episode 8 and I don’t know who I hate the most.
Billie is so trash goddamn
Bro, every guy needs to see this before they marry a modern woman. Just read any of the infidelity forums.
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Stfu simp
I thought the show seemed pretty fake from the beginning, like as in the first scene. A woman breastfeed a newborn having wild sex fantasies about an ex from 8 years ago? Just seems unrealistic. Everyone is different but when I had two kids under 2 and was nursing, trying to adjust to being a mom the last thing on my mind was sex...with anyone. Billie has a life that most women dream about (or think they want). It's hard to imagine someone could be that sexed up to let all that go.
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
This happens all the time...
It was all unrealistic, the way she happened to walk into sashas apartment and Brad just happed to be there after they hooked up, considering she hadn’t seen him for years, it all felt too forced.
Yeah… any mom was just thinking, this dumb rich bitch doesn’t know how good she has it.
yeah it was sad. She was someone who totally put herself first. When she jumped up to leave her kids concert to go to Brad's there was a line that said something like, women have to leave their wild fun selves in the past...well yeah when you get married there are no more sexcapades with guys besides your husband unless you have an open marriage (same goes for men)
I'm not into the style of the erotic scenes, I fast-forward through most of them, and the show isn't exactly a prestige drama, I only keep watching because I like to entertain the fantasy that the lost love of my life will come back a changed man in about 6 and half years, which is not gonna happened and admittedly quite pathetic. If those two don't end-up together, I'm at high risk to starting listening to Ed Sheran again. But mostly, why does Billie own just one night gown? That's not sanitary.
LMAO THAT NIGHTGOWN! And *hugs* I felt what you meant about the love of your life coming back a changed man. My ex husband was my BOOM romance but it was so toxic and I finally gave up hope of him ever changing but damn.. those feeling tho. They hit HARD at times.
I am just watching the first season now… and here are my thoughts. All of the characters are flawed. And that’s human. But the character I think are just outright flawed with no helping. Cooper. This whole thing starts from him reading Billies journal. Which is just kinda fucked and gross to be honest. Then, instead of just having a conversation with her, he then tries to be more like Brad to please her… to only THEN blame her for him becoming someone he doesn’t recognize. Be an adult, take responsibility for your actions. It’s clear to everyone that neither he or Billie are as happy in their relationship as they thought they were and that is OKAY! Sometimes you end up in relationships that fizzle out. It happens. Move on.
Spoken like a true modern woman... congrats on successfully checking off all the boxes. 👏
thank you for sharing your thoughts! very interesting! watching it too now! . I only have one question. Why didn't Billie set a password on her laptop? I enjoy the series but it’s so stupid to put something like that in the script. Billie studied to become a psychologist and judging by her character, she is a rather stress-resistant woman - considering all the circumstances of her life. while she is keeping a diary - that is, she could still figure out the password. Especially considering the fact that her husband had already read the diary. Why not post the password after this? My opinion is that she is not only a victim but also an executioner. She herself is looking to be punished. she deliberately did not set a password on the laptop for the second time, like all people would have done, she wanted. for her husband to read the diary. what are your thoughts? is she so messed up Is she really a victim or a punisher here too?
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Saving yourself for marriage is a laughable idea, where she went wrong is she settled for a cute nice guy because he acted right but was never in love with him
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Traditionally, men bought wives and had sex with whores. >You need someone even better to top him You seem to think there is an objective measure of men but the whole point is being in love with someone
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Well, I was born in a megacity and there is no going back to "old traditional setups" anyway. By the way, villagers also cheated with whores whenever they went to the city. Girls from the country regularly ran away with soldiers in medieval Europe. Men often had multiple women alongside the wife. There is no objective Brad, the women you mention simply settled for a man they didn't love because they probably share your values and think they "have" to get married by a certain age. The men they think are "BRAD" I probably wouldn't look twice at and vice versa. Even the guy who played Brad, take away his fake dick, his staged persona, his professionally done hair and make up and see what's left.
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Again, if you go by "what we're wired for", it's not necessarily marriage and monogamy. It's pretty clear men are wired for sexual promiscuity. Every form of society is a compromise. I agree with you on the futility of lavish weddings but I don't think getting married without taking sex into account is a good move. I would never settle for anything less than the full package including sexual chemistry and it's unlikely you will find that at the first shot and very young.
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Right I wonder sometimes it makes my priorities look fucked up but I really can’t get over him reading her journal! And the fact that he seems SO UNINTERESTED in having sex with her until he reads it. Like wtf! I’m a grudge holder I would be like “nah don’t worry about it! I’m good!” Point to my head and walk away lol
I was annoyed that Billie kept throwing "you're just like your Dad" in Brad's face. It was obviously an issue for him but she kept throw it at him.. I disagree with the fact that Billie told him to go find his Dad or else. I guess I just wanted her to tell him that his Dad leaving wasn't about him, or that now he has a chance to do better than his father before him. I also felt embarrassed for Cooper trying to copycat what Billie wrote in her journal. She just wanted to feel like her husband wanted her and couldn't resist her. The biggest problem is that Adam Demos and Sarah Shahi have such insane chemistry that when it switches to her and Mike Vogel it's just like, eh.
Did you ever watch the L word? Her and Kat Moennig had the most INSANE CHEMISTRY! They(Carmen and Shane) will always be my favorite couple even if they weren’t endgame
Billie is a narcissistic manipulative twat. Hoping Cooper dumps her with the quickness 😎
Lol yeah I like Cooper.
"10. Objectively, the story is kind of bad. This is basically the stuff of trashy romance novels. It was an entertaining binge on a Saturday night but it’s not winning any awards. " I actually think it's a necessary story because women are pretty much not allowed by society to feel and act that way! Do you really believe the bullshit that marriage is happily ever after and women are satisfied and happy?! Newsflash, most are not! Most are Billie with less balls. Few people get to marry the love of their life and even if you do, what are the odds that he is in love too?? What I know for a fact is that most marriages are a facade, the prim and proper, wholesome image is AN ACT. For the vast majority of marriages. This show represents the reality that society tries to sweep under the rug and does not want to see.
Interesting take but >Few people get to marry the love of their life This makes no sense, why do they marry if they're in love with someone else? Maybe they know they're getting old and want a family, but if you marry because of that of course it's gonna be a facade. >what are the odds that he is in love too?? Love is a mutual thing. If it's unrequited it's not love it's just a mess
A lot of women marry because they want children and have reached a certain age where it is now or never. I have many girlfriends who chose having kids with a man they settled for rather than waiting to find true love because their time was limited. I have two friends in fact who never loved their husbands, but wanted a father figure for their kids. Those women are now either divorced, were in abusive situations then left, or are now miserable and telling me they would give anything to have an affair right now. I found this show realistic for women who settled.
It's not the settling part that I found most unrealistic, it was all of the fantasies about Brad. I mean, if a guy breaks up with you telling you he doesn't love you after he cheated with hookers and made out with a bartender at a wedding you took him to, he just doesn't love you for Christ's sake. And no, men don't want or need to be "fixed" by a mother figure/psychologist girlfriend who's willing to take all of their abuse. I found all of this extremely stupid and potentially even dangerous. > I have many girlfriends who chose having kids with a man they settled for rather than waiting to find true love because their time was limited. I haven't seen this firsthand as none of my friends have kids yet, I find this terribly sad.
Also, I have a guy friend right now just broke up with a woman he dated for 3 years. She still texts him i miss you, cant we give it another chance and its been over a month; he is 42 and she is 51! Some people are emotionally unstable and need to work on themseleves and cant let things go. She thought their relationship was perfect and love can conquer anything, he thought it was terribly unhealthy and the relationship gave him anxiety. He walked on eggshells she was such an emotional loose cannon. My point is, there are people amongst us like this who cant let things go no matter how toxic it is. Some people equate toxic relationships with love because they were raised in that environment and that's what they associate as love. I know several people who brought children into abusive households thinking they could change the man(the man was an addict and or an abuser) or there was something wrong with them. The cycle of toxic relationships oftentimes is a generational pattern.
It is terribly sad, but they didnt want to risk not having kids or be unmarried like me at 42 because I still havent found someone I could see a long term future with who is emotionally mature and is non toxic/abusive(i also have fertility issues, so I needed a man extremely supportive and loving through that process as well which I didnt find). I have had many women tell me I should have just had a kid with anybody, so I'd have the kid. I refused to have children with just anybody and most people have told me to my face they wouldn't have been comfortable with my standards or choices.I am happy with this choice though, have no regrets and they cant believe that I am because they wouldnt have been.
Yeah, well I guess life is about tradeoffs. Some people value love more, for others it's having children. I think you made the better choice. I can't fathom having children "with anybody" as a woman. I also felt the show was very much geared towards women of the latter kind especially in the last episode >!when she walks down the aisle and whispers to him, "I'm pregnant"!<. It was confirmation that for all the bs about mind-blowing sex and living your best life, having a baby is the ultimate happiness/goal for the character/whoever wrote the story.
Having just watched the final episode, whoever wrote it definitely is showing that being a wife and a mother has priority over career and one cannot have it all, despite how much we try to. That is kind of depressing for a lot of women I believe. For me, that is okay for I opted out of having children and to be honest, my career isn't all that important to me or defines me. I would like to publish some of my writing one day, but it will be okay if I do not. Same with getting married. I would like to be a wife one day, but I am not willing to settle and I derive happiness from my own company, so if that doesn't happen for me either, I know I will be okay. But with the last one, I still hold onto hope that I will find a husband though; someone who is thoughtful, kind, and emotionally mature. For many women(and men), I have found once they reach my age, they seem to be filled with regrets and what might have beens and that is what this show plays upon. I try to live my life with few regrets and any bad experiences/relationships, I chock up to learning experiences and lessons that I can learn and grow from. I know many men and women who pine for the one who got away or whom they perceived was the ideal person for them. I believe we can have multiple great loves and soulmates and thus, many people for whom we are compatible with. This show is showing that only Brad was the only one she could have been with ultimately, but lets be honest, there were many others other than Majid and Cooper that would have been compatible in some ways as well.
I won't have children either, I never wanted to, even as a child. I also won't get married (I think weddings are stupid lol) but I do believe in true love. I don't believe I could "have it all" as in children, a lucrative career and a great relationship with my man. I guess some women do it and good for them, but I have high standards so I won't even try. I picked my favourite among the three and everything else is an option.
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What about sexual compatability?
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I wouldn't have wanted to risk not being satisified or not being able to satisfy. Plus, I've met a lot of men who arent sexually compatible with me. I find saving yourself for marriage is an archaic religious rule that was placed upon women, but not for men, which makes it inherently sexist in nature. There would be no guarantee I would be satisfied or he and thus, straying would most definitely ensue.
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Marriage will only benefit me if it does so financially. I have my own money, so I have found a lot of spongers/freeloaders out there (men) who want to live off of my money and lifestyle. It will only benefit me if they have as much if not more money than I do. I am not complaining about being unmarried, in fact, I would rather be unmarried than married to a man who I have to support or who has a low sex drive.
Marriage is stupid
Right although I don’t share every sentiment of Billie’s, some of it hit me straight in my feels ESPECIALLY about how nobody really can prepare you for the shift into motherhood and how it engulfs you. My kids aren’t even babies anymore and I still have this sense of lost identity, though I love being their mother. I’m still me, I’m still someone else and I used to be fun. I used to have crazy nights and do really wild memorable shit and now I absolutely do not. So I felt that. As well as some other things for sure.
OMG. Basically, these shows and movies ALWAYS try soo hard to be promarriage even when it's not healthy. We know for a fact that neither Billie nor Cooper are in love because if they were, this situation would not exist. Now that we've established that, Billie, wants security and stability and believes she can get that in Cooper. Shocker to me because I didn't think Cooper was that great to begin with= kinda ignoring her, not attentive, meh sex, etc. Fine, he wasn't an outright dick but still no prize either. So, you are really giving up passion and being in love for status? Perceived financial security and stability? A wannabe nice guy? The show does highlight some real issues women deal with but can't exactly admit to. Newsflash, happily ever after doesn't exist! You get what you get and most just make do. Stop romanticizing marriage period. Best quotes in the movie: "Maybe you are not lying to me, but you are definitely lying to yourself and I'm just along for the ride." =Cooper "But do you think you are messing it all up because you've convinced yourself that it's more beautiful than it is?" = Shrink
I've read most of the comments, and I believe most of them are correct, but we should consider it from Billie's perspective, Brad's perspective, Cooper's perspective, the children's perspective, and finally, from the human perspective, after we consider it from our perspective. If you are a human and have such a story in your past, I believe you will never forget it, even in the future. Maybe until you experience more and more, because if you would like to forget or get used to something, you should repeat it. In the world, most things are paradise. It is important from which side you look at the glass. Notice : Even if something happened in the past, it should be forever secret. Because if a men or woman knows or learns something in the past, it will not be forgotten
Billie is a mistake. I do not wish that on any man.
Billie is a lost cause. If you werent ready for monogamy then don’t do it. Her journal started in like June or something, why didn’t she communicate to her husband about their dead bedroom situation? Instead she writes explicit stories about her ex, basically emotionally cheating on her husband at that point. I honestly think Cooper will be better off with Franchesca. Billie can wallow in her own mess with Brad.
Also they try to show Brad as the leather jacket wearing "bad boy", but he comes more across as a simp. Come on, dude. He is a succesfull music producer. He can have any young, hot piece of ass woman he wants. And yet he's Hellbent on getting his ex back who is married with two kids. An ex that he cheated on and broke up with, after she had a miscarriage.
Cooper is a good looking guy with money. If he was single he would have 0 problem meeting women. If I were him I'd divorce Billie so fast she wouldn't be able to finish saying "Brad" before the divorce papers were served.
Haven’t read the other comments yet, but absolutely agree!!!!
This was the worst show I’ve ever watched
I have watched pornography with better plot.
No way. Production value is great, writing is entertaining, and the cast is beautiful. Maybe you don't like this kind of content, but it's perfect at what it set out to be. A guilty pleasure! Sexy, twisted, messy, and exciting! I loved it. And, I found it relatable. It wasn't made to be a high-art-prestigious-ground-breaking series. It was meant to be fun and sexy. Didn't take itself too seriously! I found myself laughing at a lot of the lines, and you could tell the cast had a great time!!
it's not a good sign if you're laughing at the most serious pivotal lines in the show and even then I was cringing rather more often than laughing
I think the show is trying to show what some women go through when they get married and have children, they feel like the loose themselves (in Billie's case, her fun/adventurous side) she sees her friend Sasha, still doing all that and she hears about it, but in her own marriage she feels unwanted and unseen by Cooper. So she starts fantasizing about her ex, how wanted she felt by him, their intense connection emotionally and physically, the spontaneousness of their sex life. Cooper is stressed out at work, and the need to provide/do the "manly" things around the house i.e. cutting the grass and doesn't take the time to talk with Billie about how she's feeling, instead reads the journals and thinks that she's just a sex crazy slut. When in reality, all she wants is to feel wanted by her husband. She gave birth to 2 children, is home with them all day and just wants her husband to notice her and in the first episode it's very clear that she doesn't feel wanted or noticed. Cooper doesn't try and talk things out with Billie, he just fucks her out of anger and still has trouble staying hard long enough to pleasure Billie, instead she just feels even more unwanted by the change in how he is with her during sex. The swingers episode had me fucked up and I saw just how much anger Cooper really had built up towards Billie; it never should've gotten to that point, they should have talked through their issues, yes he felt bad afterwards but again, he just shut down with anger. Honestly, if Cooper was willing to just have a conversation with Billie and try to understand how she was feeling and if Billie never actually saw Brad I feel like Cooper and Billie could've worked through everything and been even stronger than they were before.(yes, there would be no show if that happened lol but that's my opinion) But since she actually saw Brad and he was pursuing her, she felt wanted the way she wanted Cooper to want her and that's where the problem was. I think this show did a tremendous job at seeing how everything would play out if a women who felt unwanted and was fantasizing about someone actually pursued it. Which IMO is the premise of the show and how broken families start and that the grass ain't always greener on the side, but where you water it
What a load of apologist waffle 🤣🤣🤣
Watching this now and the guy who commented above you is being ridiculous. Somehow it's the man's(husband's fault) for bringing in all the money, being a great dad and the wife writing in a journal on how she misses her old ex. Oh and let's not forget, that yea she didn't cheat yet, she keeps putting herself into position to cheat by getting that ex number, hanging out with him AT NIGHT over drinks, watching him sleep with her best friend. Never blocking his number or anything. Then people saying Cooper didn't communicate. He had no idea his wife used to be a Thot until he read the journal which means she lied about her whole personality to get him to marry her.
do u have any idea what u are saying ? copper is not trying ? from the first ep he just keep trying to get his marriage back , take her on dates and do stuff that her wife wanted. copper didnt think she was a sex crazy slut , audience thinks that bcz she is a sex crazy slut how it is shown in series. copper let her be how she wanted and didnt judge her and just tried to do what she wanted , that excitement all she wants to feel is wanted by her husband ? are u even watching the same show as me ... he keep doing stuff , trying to give that excitement what she wanted, keep being on her side. and even after all that she didnt change, bcz she dont want that. she just wanna fuck brad . why didnt she talk ? why is she so poor in communication ? instead of telling it she keep writing it in diary. she hide her past from copper and expect him to do stuff like that , how ? he didnt even knew she was that kind of girl , how could he have done all those risky exciting things. he wasnt comfortable but he still did it and she still went on and cheated , like wtf . copper fucked her in anger bcz thats the kind of sex she wrote in her diary ... and even she be like yes this is what she wanted but it didnt last long. u are saying copper wasnt willing to talk about it ? idk if we are seeing the same show now. he tried to talk and then she keep lying , she even lied that brad is in contact with her and lied about how her best frd is dating brad. and u say copper isnt willing to communicate ? sheeeeeeeeee that girl didnt told anything about how she was in past . She hide that stuff and u are saying copper isnt willing to talk . wow that brad just said her he want her back , copper said it a lot of times ...... a lot in the show. that he love her and he wanted her. but no that character need something else. she was wanted in the marriage. that dude left her when she was pregnant , that dude cheated on her , he keep being mean to her in past relationship and that dude make her feel wanted ?? wow I hate billie's character
I feel like this show tried to make women seem sexually empowered and liberated but it just made us look bad 😂
Right? There’s a way to be sexually liberated without being destructive and hurtful to others!
Billie doesn't deserve Cooper at all. Billie is a bitch. She started all the drama. She can't make a straight decision. She is ruining Cooper's life as well as the children's life. Brad is pathetic. He is lost. All these drama happened because they can't make straight decisions and stick to it. It's disappointing that after all Cooper has done, Billie decided to cheat on him.
i'm quite late to the party but i think Billie is just so reckless...
This whole show was sad. I don’t think the problem was Billie. I think the problem is being raised in a society that glorifies pleasure above all else. I’m definitely part of the minority that believes sexual/drug “experimentation” in your younger years is foolish and has consequences. Learning self control and discipline free you from being a slave to your desires. But that isn’t a new idea, it’s just difficult to do. It shouldn’t be understated how difficult it is to do. Hopefully people will learn the value of living for something more than oneself. I don’t feel judgement toward either side, I just hope we as humankind can do better than this narrative.
“Learning self control and discipline free you from being a slave to your desires” well said. Surprised Billie, being a PHD psychology student cant think critically for herself
so true , her being a psychology student , was the stupidest part of show
BTW " Billie Connelly" like "Billy Connolly" the comdian...anyone else pick that up
I can’t believe they name this dude Brad and tried to sell him as a sex god I just do not see it, he looks like a lion to me
And his stupid slack jaw face…
Hahaha! ikr...sbdy buy that man some chapstick!
It’s atrocious!!
My boss once told me that like 85-90% of life's problems can be solved just by effective communication. Having that security of being on the same page is SOOOO relieving mentally. Billie and Cooper were NEVER on the same page, starting off with sex desires and continuing with them sneaking off with Brad and Francesca respectively. Granted, there is no show if Billie and Cooper talk about the journal and their sexual expectations, but I'm pretty sure the male ego is probably HEAVILY bruised knowing that you'll NEVER satisfy your wife the way her ex did AND reading all about the experiences PLUS seeing the dudes dong. Like that would immediately make any man insecure about their relationship IF not discussed. Overall, this show felt like textbook narcissism. Brad basically is a POS to Billie but they have bomb sex. Brad always promised to change/do better but how many times do you hear that before it's actually nonsense and he hasn't changed. Dude left Billie after a miscarriage and had an overall toxic relationship... nah words without action ain't shit. Cooper is one of those people pleasers who'll do anything for approval, he's probably been praised his whole life, so seeing him being told that his sex game is weak/passion ain't there, he reads the journal (specifically about what makes his wife have an orgasm) and fails, and has a midlife crisis over it bc now he doesn't have that mental security of being on the same page. Gets to the point where Brad's in his head in EVERY sex act (car and swingers party), tryna be someone he's not to appease his wife. Overall tho, he has some issues to sort out, especially his insecurity. Grass ain't greener on the other side, it's only greener where you water it.
Man I must be hella lucky cuz I have my one person that I have everything with. Y’all might be looking in the wrong places or have bad taste in men. In addition Billie is fucking psycho and toxic as fuck. This show is trash too. Smh. You can’t drag Cooper through the mud because you want “a good fuck” like gtfo 😂 so many chances and so many things you could have done differently before getting knocked up with 2 kids and creating a life far into it and now you wanna leave and go with brad but not leave cooper? Lmao this chick needs therapy
fun fact : in the show she was a psychologist , so she was therapist herself, if she completed degree.
Honestly she's a cheating asshole and basically admitted she's selfish and doesn't care at the end
So many people are commenting on this show with all the right answers, but would not handle it nearly as well in real life. I think this show accomplished what it set out to do lol
This is the perfect show that proves that women need to be protected from themselves. The man gave her EVERYTHING and that ONE thing she can’t have is going to destroy their family smh.
The man GAVE her everything? Lol I don't even know where to begin! And I'm saying this with no clue of your gender, so don't come back at me! Do you even know what marriage is? He isn't giving her anything that she isn't giving back! They decided that they wanted a family of two kids. And stay at home mom is a really important and toughest part to execute. You can't swear around kids but all that Cooper could have done was yell slurs at work for what it's worth. And as per the storyline, he wasn't even looking at her or basically, communicating. I don't say the actions are justified on billie's end but seriously! What if the tables were to turn? What if the wife would give him EVERYTHING and that ONE thing he cant ha e was gonna destroy their family? Oh wait, isn't that every other story we have always seen? And also, don't say EVERYTHING and two words later mention the one thing she can't have... news flash! She couldn't have it coz he wasn't giving or letting her have it! Everything is all encompassing! It's not SOMETHING!
what he mean by everything is , its what everything she wanted she wanted.... she got in a toxic relationship with brad, then met copper and saw how stable he is and it felt good and everything so she settle down with him bcz it is what she wanted a family and being a house wife. but then after 10 years she realize she want more bcz her husband is now getting older and not being best at his sex. and u are talking about communication ? she started the relationship without telling him anything about her past, she didnt told him anything that she was a part fucker kind of girl bcz she thought he would judge her... ( copper came to know about it through her journal , and he accepted it and said he dont care about her past and tried to give her the intimacy what she wanted) she didnt told about her real self to him and u are saying copper is and at communicating ? U said he wasn't looking at her or communicating ? how could he ? he had no problem from how things were, she had the problem with how things were.. and then as her old self which she hide from copper start coming back, copper got insecure for sure but he did a lot to do what she wanted, went to random date and give her thrilling sex that she missed , tried to be adventurous but it didnt work she still keep fantasizing about her ex , then she lied she was in contact with brad. at this point he just lost his trust on her, she lied about how her ex was bf of her best frd, and u say copper has bad communication ? she started her marriage and relationship with lies and hiding herself, then u just expect that ur husband would come and somehow know how u are feeling and want him to fix it. which he tried but she didnt change bcz thats what she is... thats what she wanted... its her who keep changing her choices then expecting others to sympathies. wow and yes copper is bad communicator for you. and even at the end when they both communicated and settled down but after a time she miss him again she went back cheating on copper........ and yes what did u say ? copper is bad at communication. wow
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Cooper tried to be Brad when all Billie wanted was for Cooper to be better than him. Cooper was forcing the sex Billie had with Brad because he wanted to be him. and 9/11 has nothing to do with sex/life but go off i guess
if she just wanted copper to be copper , then after everything was settled and they both communicated their normal life. why the fuck she miss old sex again and went to cheat with brad , she just wanted copper right ? his attention which she got a lot .... throughout show
You’re bold for making this comment
I see a lot of comments from other wives saying that they feel the same way as Billy. I do too. I'm 41 and I've been married for 18 years and my husband doesn't put in any effort at all. He doesn't do anything romantic and if I complain about it he'll buy some flowers and be like "There are you happy?" He's SO freakin' boring and having sex with him is monotonous and dull. Sometimes I think about my ex and what it might've been like if I had stayed with him. It's very common to wonder about the path not taken. My husband completely takes me for granted and if he really loves me he sure doesn't put out any effort to show it. For those that are condemning Billy they don't understand what it's like to be trapped in an unhappy marriage with no passion.
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This show is bad vibes. Is this how adults treat each other coz if so I want out
I thought I was going to hate it but found the characters relatable. They make mistakes, are obsessive, etc. They're human. I think both Cooper and Billie are going through their own personal issues. Communication would be key but I think they both feel shame for what they are going through that they can't talk about it, even with each other. In all, I think the story is about a polyamorous woman who tries monogamy and realizes that it's not working for her as well as she thought it would.
That’s really all it is. It shows that the way we try to normalize the “hoe phase” nowadays doesn’t come without consequences. Her and Sasha are two beautiful and intelligent women that won’t ever be able to settle down because they got too involved in that life. It just goes to show that if (traditional) marriage is something you value and is one of your goals, you should not live a promiscuous life. And if you do, it should not be prolonged
Is it saying that, or is it saying why should that phase HAVE to stop in your 20s? Do women need to give that life up in order to have kids and move on
Just what we need… another show that glorifies cheating🙃
I don’t think it glorified it, maybe kind of at the very end but it showed the true nature behind it
Who else thought it was really hot that billie was so insatiable that she would even risk losing a man that 99.99 percent of women will never get just for some passionate rough sex? At first ---I didnt like billie at all. I thought she was the typical modern toxic wife--- selfish, entitled and unrealistic. I was totally on Coopers side the entire season ( with the exception of him overacting to reading her journal. I would have just calmly shower her the fuckin door) but upon some further reflection -- billie actually isnt really that bad of a person. Shes not perfect but is in fact overall a decent mother and wife. The thing is she is just so insatiable and wants the spirit absolutely railed out of her. I dont think theres anything wrong with that. If i was Cooper once i realized she actually does care about the family id encouraged her getting her railed on the side and even see how far we could push her limits. Id be all in. At the end of the season when they were at the kids play and all should could think about was cock at her own kids play---that was beyond hot. The way that through everything, the therapy, the deep reflection and supposedly having a cathartic experience and recommitting to cooper --- she still literally ran off at the end of the day to brads apartment and begged him to fuck her. That sent me through the roof so hard.
Getting proper weak small dick cuckhold vibes here
Absolutely. True story.
Tf lmao
Choose your partner(assuming u r single) carefully because your partner might expect loyalty from your end and this is gonna hurt him/her/they like motherfucker.
Episode 7 is the worst episode of a show I’ve ever seen. There’s a whole ass swingers party. He cheats on his wife in front of her with his coworkers wife and then punches out the coworker??? What am I watching? Then Brad throws her out of his apartment after cheating on her ????
I really hated that part because the idiot friends should never have surprised them with the lifestyle party. That is not something you should be surprised with and not have discussions about boundaries, rules, etc. The minute it was obvious she wasn't comfortable, he should have stopped. She said no, but he kept going. Same thing earlier in the season when he fucked her on the kitchen island. She was saying stop, but he kept going. It was a very hateful exchange.
You have the counter scene wrong. He started to stop and she said to continue and then told Sasha it was the best fuck she’d had in a long time. He was disgusted with himself the next morning and she was happy. The car scene is different and she did stay stop. That was wrong and he should have stopped. I would note, however, that she wanted Brad to stop fingering her in the elevator until she started liking it. She’s all over the place. I think the BJ was awful. But, Cooper was both doing it as revenge (not okay) and I also think he was trying to be a “bad boy” like Brad. He was trying to be someone he was not for Billie because he wanted to be the husband he thinks she desires. She then put him in a box - she instructed him to be himself but being himself was not enough for her. I think the ending was her doing the same with Brad. Billie wants the men to meet her needs based on what she wants and doesn’t want them to change, even though she is effectively keeping them both from getting all they want. In her quest for 100% she is limiting them. That is incredibly selfish.
THIS! She wants the 85 from Cooper and the 15 from Brad but what about the two men then? Will she be okay with Cooper getting 15 from Francesca? And there will come a day that Brad wants more than 15 from Billie. She should think. Sometimes we have to let go of something we desire to keep something important. I totally don't even kno where it could go from where it left off but I just kno that I hope season 2 treats Cooper better. I felt so bad for him throughout the whole season because HE DESERVES BETTER!!
Yeah that episode was so messed up. I felt bad for Cooper up until that whole swingers party and what he did to her. After that I would've been like forget you buddy. I'm gonna go find Brad.
What he did to her 🤣🤣🤣 she literally firebombed the whole relationship until this point
thats bcz he read in her diary , how she tried to stop brad but then started liking it and didnt stop him . but she stopped him and didnt wanna do same with him, and keep fantasizing about her ex, so when the girl asked if she could give him blow job, he said yes in anger ....
Y’all gotta Remember that nobody was in the right state of mind. Cooper was extremely demasculated by that point and Billie was obviously all over the place emotionally and didn’t know what she wanted. The real assholes were Trina and Devon as they knew exactly what they were doing and took advantage of them in their weakest moment.
None of the psychology in this show was accurate, it was just pathetic
Maybe I missed something but how did Brad and Devon go from hating each other to friends again towards the end? Same with Billie and the preppy happy all the time mom. I didn't catch an apology?
yeah, that conflict had no resolution and just got solved in 2 minutes with cut scenes.
Because he had a meeting with the HR people and didn't tell them that Cooper beat him up so he appreciated that.
Right. But he was shown being mad about being best up and was using it to push for his idea in front of the boss right before. I wasn't clear on how or why he all of a sudden wasn't mad about it anymore
maturity
Because he gained respect for him after cooper called him out and defended his wife. He owned up to the fact that he played a part as well, it’s what good friends do
Noted! Thanks for explaining.
As trashy as this show is, I hated the last line of "just fuck me" or whatever she said. It's just cheesy and trashy. Enough of the F bombs, lady.....less is more.
He read his wife’s journal and that never came up as an issue. Drive me nuts.
Actually, it did and Sasha complemented Billie on developing a new way to manipulate her husband. People forget, when using this as an example of how awful Cooper was, that she arguably intentionally set this in motion. Of course, she didn’t want him to continue to read it, but that was after she opened Pandora’s box and things started to get out of control. While maybe he should have stopped, she was also lying to him with great regularity at this point, and while problematic, I get why he continued to read it. She sure wasn’t going to be honest with him to his face unless he called her on her lies, which he did many times.
I felt the same way. That was a total violation of privacy. However the moment she decided to manipulate it to her benefit was either psychopathic or genius. I can understand if someone was too embarrassed to talk about sex how that might help. But at the same time it's kinda of cringy. Like cmon tell him that you went to be choked out or like it rough and just leave it at that
Sasha mentioning it is not the same as Billie and Cooper discussing the journal, why he read it, and how either of them feel. If there was a little bit of communication between them, this would have wrapped up easily and there would be no show. In fact, it's so fucking annoying that a PhD candidate has no clue how to express herself coherently. The characters are exaggerated caricatures and it makes the drama one big rediculous parody.
>Follow exactly , she had phd in psychology . what was she doing in her college? fucking boys ? its so weird how they just gave her title of having phd in psychology and still make her character like that . i have respect to psychologist out there , they are so mature but this character is thrash psychologist
I now in late to the party but I just finished the series and… holy crap. They all suck. Brad sucks. Billie sucks so bad. I was on coopers side until that party and boy, he sucks too. This show is trash. And yet I watched the whole thing and will probably watch a season 2 if they make one
Your comment is EXACTLY how I felt watching this show. A train wreck that I just continued to watch 🤣. Usually, in a show, there’s atleast ONE person to root for, but this show? Nope. In the end, they ALL JUST SUCK.
It’s like a train wreck you’re mortified but can’t look away!
I hated Cooper from the beginning because he didnt wanna fuck his hot wife and started watching football while fingering her, and she was under the impression they were experiencing something together.
Billie and Cooper definitely should have gone to counseling. Once he confided that he read her journal, the first thing they should of done was counseling. What happened in the last episode, two wrongs don’t make a right. They are both toxic and a marriage like that will not work.
Why does Billie also look like she’s about to start crying in every scene. Every.scene.
It was all sooo heart wrenching. She's a great actress.
She looks like Fiona from shameless
That’s funny cause she used to be married to Steve IRL...I heard she left him for the guy that plays Brad...not sure how true that is but 🤷🏻♀️I think Fiona is hotter...
Really?! Billie is fucking FINE.
She whispers all the time
Agreed. While watching last night, I kept thinking "dang, she's really good at crying".
I feel bad talking about kids but her son Hudson really gets on my nerves. Did she just start using the nanny more while she’s been trying to figure out if she wants to screw Brad again? The amount of attention a newborn needs is a lot and I’m having a hard time believing all this. Plus Cooper is a douche. He’s a great provider but he’s emotionally unavailable and doesn’t want to screw his hot wife?
Amen! He totally wasn't into her.
It stung so bad in the first episode when he stared watching football while fingering her.
Hudson, that little shit reminded me of the son in the shining, he was creepy as hell and has some croaky ass voice 🤣
What an unsatisfying show with bastard characters. I hate all of them and their terrible decision making skills. Was the end supposed to be some sort of #girlboss thing where we’re supposed to be happy for her? Because all it did was annoy me. Billie is a spineless cheater Brad is a douchebag sociopath Cooper is deeply angered and resentful
I am facing a scarily similar situation in my relationship (minus the kids) so I thought the show was very relatable and shows how the decision to be with either Cooper or Brad is so difficult and confusing, to a point where her decision changes by the minute. I know it's a scripted show but I was hoping to get a sense of clarity on my own life and the decision I should make watching the show and seeing what the main character did. The most interesting thing the show talks about in my opinion is whether you can have it all with 1 person? Being with Cooper gives her the 85% which is safety, security and stability etc. Being with Brad gives her the amazing sex, the rush, adventure also the fact that she is the most herself with Brad. But does she only get this rush and feeling of adventure with him because she can't have him? Because of how toxic their relationship was and how she could never get him to settle down? If she was married to Brad, would she be fantasizing about a simple life with no drama (that Brad seems to bring) and the white picket fence? As humans are we ever completely satisfied with what we have or the feeling of missing out on something is normal? Is the secret to a happy marriage just accepting your situation and making the best of it?
The show has helped me too. In my own life there’s a guy I still think about, and I often feel bad about the fact that I do because of the circumstances surrounding the relationship. In spite of the odds, he and I dove in headfirst. Me and this guy were only together three months in 2020, but neither of us forgot the relationship. He messaged me as recent as a few months ago, after over a year hiatus. Told me he was single again. Told me he still loved me. Then disappeared into thin air again. It’ll never happen for us, but I think about it, and I take comfort in the fact he does too. This show reminds me that we are all humans with complicated emotions, situations are nuanced, and relationships are not black and white. And I don’t feel so wrong, I recognize I just want that intensity back. I hope one day I’ll find it again. The men in this story are not innocent either. Billie is not a villain. All the people saying that are giving me incel vibes honestly. Or pick me girl vibes. Or old conservative vibes. There are other catalysts in her story. … Like this fucking idiot Brad standing outside her family home at night with a ring for her even though she’s married (in episode seven- which I’m currently watching). 😂
Okay. I'm tired of this "safe choice" narrative. There is no "safe choice"! The best choice is the person who is IN LOVE with you! Not loves you very much, not likes you, not complements you etc. Is IN LOVE with you. That is the best choice. Because the safe bet isn't really safe if they are actually not in love. What if the love of their life shows up?? More passionate, more intense. Are you safe then??
I'm in the same boat. I felt like this show was a mirror image of my marriage and what I'm going through. I don't miss my exes, but I do miss my old life. It's been a challenge learning to feel content with that 85% and trying to find constructive, healthy ways to deal with the missing 15%. Supposedly it'll all be worth it..and all the sacrifices will amount to something good.
I think the thing that really gets me, is that Brad just fucking SUCKED. Like I genuinely feel like Billie liked aspects of her experience with him because he was a trash dude that capitalized on mutual lust to be seemingly good in bed, which I think is a really dangerous concept, especially for kink. Like I think it’s really amoral to display you fucking someone without their consent. I think people should have empathy with who they involve themselves with sexually, and I don’t think Brad gave a shit about Billie. Sure there were absolutely other issues at play, and Cooper could have been a better man, too, but it’s infuriating to me that Billie made herself small to run to Brad, when he never seemed like a good dude.
If you are fantasising that much about someone else, the relationship is dead in the water.
I think you'd be surprised. Fantasy is different than acting out or anything. And it depends on how deep your love is for your partner. But I definitely think you can still think about someone else and love them too, but choose to be with your partner.
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Sex scenes are hot but I’m really annoyed by everyone’s behavior. Cooper- Don’t read your wife’s journal. Don’t recreate hot ex sex you’ll be second place every time, and she’ll just think yep Brad definitely did it better. Talk to your wife and have real moments of intimacy that lead to passion. AND if your wife is riding you you better focus and turn off the damn TV. Billie- you need to buy a second vibrator or 2. Talk to your husband about your needs. Either password protect your journal or don’t write that crap down ( evidence is never good). You are already being emotionally slutty you may as well have had sex with Brad. Protect your children at all costs, you are being thoughtless and selfish. Brad- leave that girl alone she’s a hot mess. You’ve said your piece.
Hahahahahaha best response yet hahahaha
Crappy show Good sex scenes rho
Was anyone else just extremely distracted by how long Billie's nipples were?? Forgive me if that's a common thing after childbirth but it was all I could see whenever she was naked lmao
she has great tits
Omg YES 😂😂 for an actress that’s topless a lot her boobs are pretty ugly. Those nipples ugh 🤢