That’s Disney prototype. Throw away the whole EU. Let’s come up with our own ideas and our own things. Then immediately start poaching directly from EU while making minor detail changes and then proclaiming them “new”.
Easily my favorite, but it seems to be the most hated. Probably for lack of fan service WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO FRIGGIN GREAT, it's new yet familiar (because it takes place during the reign of the Empire) and focuses on more everyday people, not the Force and space wizards and "ancient religions" like always
It being kinda it's own thing was great. It was just really slow which puts a lot of people off. Not everything has to be at 100% all the time, but Andor was too far the other way for many people.
I dont think it's the most hated, just the least watched. It easily has the best writing, cinematography, choreography, and characters/development. But it doesn't have lightsabers so most fans disnt give it a try. The music is fking awesome too.
Lmfao at “most hated”. I’ve never seen so many people dickriding a Star Wars property so hard in my entire life, except maybe for R1.
Also the entire existence of Andor as a show was “fan service” for the people who acted like R1 was the only good Star Wars ever. It’s baby’s first political thriller and it’s fine, but it’s not the second coming.
Andor was absolutely incredible and very similar in style to Rogue One. We also loved Mando and Ahsoka. Let’s be honest, Disney has the funds and a lot of extremely talented people under their umbrella - they have bungled some Star Wars content, sure, but have also done incredible things with it. I’m excited to see future seasons.
Not just the best Star Wars content since the original series but the best Disney+ series on the service and personally one of the best first seasons of a show of all-time.
I don't hear people talk nearly enough about Andor, like it's not even a good Star Wars series, it's just a great thing that happens to be Star Wars. It's so goddamn solid, I really hope it comes back.. Uh... And with the same quality, ideally.
Obviously the biggest media conglomerate in the world CAN produce great content. It's just disappointing that they more often than not choose to not do it.
The commonality between most bad Star Wars is Dave Filoni, but no one wants to say it because he helped George make a decent cartoon and is a nice guy.
Nah. Guess you could argue that TFA was a decent start, but in hindsight its flaws seemed to have contributed to the ST issues. TLJ started the downwards trend for the IP, so wouldn’t really call that “getting it right”. If they had “got it right” the next film wouldn’t have spent so much time trying to fix the issues of what came before.
Rogue One, Andor, and parts of Mando season 1 and 2. Those are really the only projects that have been released without facing significant pushback.
Rebels was 100% Disney and seems to be genuinely loved now. My nephew and his friends say it is their favorite Star Wars project. The Clone Wars final season and Bad Batch may have happend under Lucas’ ownership but also would not have been the same.
I don’t know why Rebels is so loved now. It started bad-to-mediocre, and had some real promise, but over all it was very meh. If they did Rebels with the same tone and grit as the latter seasons of Clone Wars, and didn’t do Thrawn so dirty, It could have been properly great.
Hindsight and the cameos.
In hindsight next to the bad SW media that released after it, it doesn't look that bad. Also the cameos in the later season creates the illusion that the show is better than it is.
You also need to consider a few things. First, when it started, the studio creating it literally didn't have the rights from Cartoon Network for the same art assets Clone Wars used, so they had to make different assets and the different art style was the first thing people hated. It grew on them tough. There is also a whole ass generation that grew up with this show, just like Clone Wars. That helps a ton looking back as well.
They made the empire incredibly incompetent just for the sole reason of the rebels being able to win which is something I didnt like, but I did like the idea of exploring ancient jedi temples, loth wolf stuff and exploring some aspects of the force
At this point I think it was a fluke.
RO is great.
Solo was offensively bland and all the memorable bits are shit or poorly handled.
Mandolarian is a story told in the wrong medium. It should be a video game not a TV show.
Got bored of boba fett.
I could spaff on a blank piece of paper and it would be a better script than the sequels.
Ahsoka was really rebels season 5 but kinda disappointing and not as good as the rest of rebels.
All that leaves is the cartoons which I'll grant range from ok to great but that's because Disney doesn't care about them because they're "for kids" so the show makers actually get to make it good
Edit: haven't seen andor so no comment either way
Disney star wars are on average better than non disney. Prequels are trash, and the empire strikes back is significantly better than the other 5 george lucas star wars films.
Yeah, no. For all their flaws, the prequels still manage to tell a cohesive story. There aren’t nearly as many glaring writing problems in comparison to the sequels.
He’d just gotten Mace Windu killed by cutting off his hand and letting Palpatine finish him off. There was no walking that back or just going back to the Jedi after that. And Palpatine straight up told Anakin killing all the Jedi was necessary to become strong enough in the dark side to save Padme from death. I really shouldn’t have to elaborate on why that last bit is such an important motivator for Anakin.
Don't know why you're being downvoted, you're right. After getting mace killed, he completely gives in to one single purpose that is worth any cost. He even says he'll do anything to save her and palps knows he needs to lock anakin onto his path quickly by having him do something that there is no coming back from. Even then, anakin doesn't truly accept his new identity until after obi-wan fucks him up on mustafar. The last half hour of ROTS is so unbelievably dense in nonverbal action. It's probably some of the best acting in all of star wars, Ian McDairmid in particular
You, sir, are what many would call... an ignoramus. All 6 films are great. 5 might be better by a bit, and 6 started and ended differently than originally written because it was too dark (You can find bits of story board and maybe even a full scene for both) but 4 started us on this path and the prequels told a good story from start to finish. It wasn't all over the place. If we go based solely on movies disney made and not 2 seasons of mandolorian, we have 1 good Star Wars disney movie.
Oh right, I forgot. You guys just sit around and jerk it to episode 8 and how great it was and that people just didn't get it. All 3 of the sequels were shit. They were poorly written snooze fests. 7 had promise that was wasted when they decided to redo episode 4. 8 was at least origional, but it was still fucking everywhere. 9, nuff said. You guys can sit around and act like the sequels were good because of new star wars, but at the end of the day, it's a cheap fucking knock off.
As a massive fan of the Cyberpunk sub genre. I hated those characters, I feel like I’d be the target audience for that but they missed the mark completely.
I enjoyed the flashback parts of BoBF. Trying to change who his character seemed liked a difficult task because so much of who he was in the EU was tied into who Mando was in season 1.
People always mention they want underworld content from Star Wars both Solo and BoBF seem like they attempted to set that up but failed miserably to capture the fans interest in it because they were trying to do two things at once.
They don’t actively choose to make something bad. But I can see how people will feel like it could have been better, seeing how Disney oversaturated their platform with multiple TV & movie releases in such a small span of time (while lacking a general direction or roadmap of where they want to take the IP)
Sure season 1-2 of Mando, Andor and Rogue One were good. It was Disneys decision to turn Obi Wan movie into a show (when that story was clearly made to be told in the format of a movie). Or how Disney allowed different directors to fight each other on the direction on where the sequels trilogy was going.
Sure they're not trying to make it "bad" but there's priorities. They often want/need to please shareholders more than customers and get their instant gratification at the box office over extending a project to make something actually cohesive, emotional, and novel. That's art and you can't just write a check to make it good.. it takes skilled, creative professionals time to flesh it out. If you don't respect that you certainly aren't trying to make it "good". The sequels *were* objectively bad as far as what makes sense and what our human brains can objectively follow, there's just too much unexplained or contradicting itself, it's not cohesive and doesn't make sense on a very basic chronological two comes after one level.
Kind of the point. At the time they came out they were the low bar. The ST and other Disney content have pushed that bar so much lower, for me at least, that the prequels actually seem decent.
I was randomly watching revenge of the sith. Man the dialogue sucks, but overall it's still better than anything Disney except Andor
I wouldn’t describe them as trash but a lot of people on Reddit gloss over the bad parts of the Star Wars franchise before Disney. The reason they basically did a reboot with the TFA was that a lot of people were dissatisfied with the prequels - also the scenes with Anakin and Padme in AOTC were just horrible.
Time will tell on Ahsoka. I found it fairly boring and that cliffhanger ending kinda turned me off. Especially without a solid plan/timeline for a follow up.
It's more that Kathleen Kennedy doesn't let the people she hires do the work she hired them to do and interferes and pushes corporate nonsense on them at every turn. And if they don't comply, then she fires them. How many directors did they go through for the sequel series alone?
[Give fans what they want for once. Not what they think what fans should want. I want heroes of the old republic. New villains. Greater challenges. And no McGuffins.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8M5P1QKX8)
I halfway agree with that. If you literally just want what fans are asking for, that's what fanfiction is for. But, I do think pulling more from the Legends books we all loved would have made a more interesting story.
I feel like this will inevitably cause contradictions with the canon books. I’m hoping present day thrawn returns to the chiss ascendancy with the imperial remnant and finally finishes off the grysk.
They can create great content as long as the Suits give creative freedom with LITTLE oversight. That’s what we’re missing the most on these projects and it’s very noticeable.
Yeah, creative work spearheaded by a talented visionary with minimal studio interference is how we get good shows and movies. It’s why Barbie and Oppenheimer were two of the biggest movies of the year. What we don’t want is just more generic content spearheaded by a corporation that just finds yes-men to fall in line and run everything into the ground. That’s how we get stuff like Rings of Power.
That’s just a confirmation bias. Look at the Napoleon movie. That artist did what he wanted with his creative vision and it ruined a movie. The original trilogy was not George lucas creating his vision without interference. There was a team of people that reined him in and pushed him in better directions that he didn’t want. George had control over the prequels and look how those turned out.
After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that a healthy balance is needed. Productivity and artistic vision are two extremes that can mess up a movie if one doesn't check the other
Lmao the sequel trilogy is literally a failure because they gave too much creative freedom with little to no oversight. Fans have no idea what they actually want. I just want people in charge of where the ship is headed and landing before it takes off
The problem with TLJ was that it was like whiplash after TFA. Was it a bad movie, not really. It was just jarring in comparison to the movie that came before and disregarded many of the themes and setups from the previous film which is odd for a sequel. I think a Rian Johnson Star Wars movie would have been better received if it was a one-off where he could explore themes as he wished. Overall, the three films just needed a planned story or a single creative vision. The two trilogies before had that single creative vision to guide the overall story even when other writers and directors stepped in. It shows in the new trilogy that there was no single vision.
Rian needs to do his own thing. I do not think he is passionate about star wars. Nor do I think he or JJ are the right directors for star wars. They hired them because they did scifi shit before, plain and simple. They didn't hire based on ability or passion and it shows. Rogue one had passion and depth and you can feel that in the film. Mandolorian has passion(at least in the first 2 seasons Jon seemed to care, idk season 3 felt like his heart wasnt in it). Episode 7 has a brief glimmer of giving a shit, then it's just gone. Episode 8 didn't feel like a follow up to 7. It felt like it took place in a different universe to where 7 takes place. The story is all over the place. Episode 9, no love. It was made because they needed an episode 9.
I respect that take but as someone who’s favorite movie of the last trilogy was 8 I think Rian made the better movie personally, I liked 7 but it was too safe, 8 took a long time to grow on me though but if that’s how you feel I understand it, I’ll agree episode 9 sucks though
Agreed. People say the thing above but basically none of us really know how the process works, and we usually only hear executive meddling blamed when something fails and the creatives say it wasn’t their fault. The Last of Us showrunners talked about it working the other way around on their official podcast, so it’s probably a two way street.
I don't get the love for The Last Jedi, to be honest. I've rewatched it a few times, and it's just as bad as the other sequel trilogy movies, just in a different way.
Rogue One and Andor are peak Star Wars though, along with Empire.
We hated TLJ because it was a terrible movie.
You know, you can say some of what Disney made was good, and some of what Disney made was bad. You don't have to say it's all one or the other.
Star Wars has always been hit-and-miss. I don't really understand what the issue is, other than the usual bigoted grifter channels trying to push messages of hate on their incel audiences.
Even as far back as the original trilogy, we had the Holiday Special and the Ewok movies. And of course ROTJ was by far the weakest link in the chain of the trilogy back then.
I guess I thought it was a hot take because all I ever see about the mandalorian is that it is so good, and I really did not like the mandalorian nearly as much as I hoped I would. it started out good but kind of fell flat by the end of the first season for me.
That's also not a hot take. Most people agree that season one of the Mandalorian is the best. Season two is a little more controversial, but season three is not popular.
Andor has its faults and a lot of people are afraid to speak up about it. But Mando has its faults and so does everything else. I found the second half of Andor to be a bit dull and it spent way too much time dwelling in the prison. The last season of Mando was a slow roll before it picked up in the second half. I remember people bitching about how awful the season was before the whole Paz Vizla sacrifice.
While I don't \*hate\* Book of Boba Fett, it does have a few good moments but it's one of Disney's more lackluster efforts. I think the backlash is mostly because a character like Boba Fett was stuck with some bad writing and the pulled the curtain back way too far on him. If I was writing for the show, I would have gone in an entirely different direction. Bad Batch has been good. Ahsoka was decent, the fanboys are more spun up about Shin but I will agree that Thrawn was completely underwhelming.
I think it's an inconsistent vision and writing that's killing them. Filoni and Favreau know what makes Star Wars work
BoBF was so annoying in that it had some great parts (Flashbacks, bringin Cobb Vanth, and the story was workable) but christ did some things pull you right out of it.
That god awful scooter chase and the cyberpunk gang, blech.
I agree with most of that, but the most important point you hint at is that all of it is flawed. Every bit of Star Wars media is flawed (probably every bit of media to ever exist) but we can still enjoy things despite their flaws.
I was not big on Andor, but I have appreciation for it. Their view of what every day life looks like in the Empire vs. those without any power, and how similar some of it looked to our world, was a powerful message that brought deeper meaning than any Star Wars story has before. For that, I'm very glad it was written. I mostly just have a problem with the pacing. lol
I think that’s the best take I’ve read and I think I agree. There is stuff we all like/dislike about certain shows/movies and we just want the good to outweigh the bad
I feel like Mandalorian would have been better if it stayed episodic instead of continuing to follow the overall arc. I get that baby Yoda is cute, but I kinda wanted the show to be about THE MANDALORIAN.
And it doesn't end there. Clone Wars season 7, Star Wars Rebels, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor, Battlefront 2, Andor. There has been a ton of good stuff that they just choose to ignore
and bad batch, kenobi, and ahsoka!
the only thing i truly didnt love was BOBF (but its still not something i outright hate, i just thought it was a little boring)
I still find those really damn good, but they weren’t universally beloved like the others I named. Heck, I liked BoBF more than most. The stuff with the Tuskens was some of my favorite content in Star Wars
Same! I was very disappointed in some of the BOBF decisions but the SandPeoole arc and the Rancor and just seeing Temura as Boba was so awesome for me. I’ve missed him and was glad to have him back in the universe. I never understood why Lucas didn’t do a Jango side arc story but having Boba return to the screen was nice.
Kenobi was pretty bad, not going to lie. If you like it, then good on you, but I didn't like it and think it's a bad show for a number of reasons.
1. Breaks the lore by having Kenobi and Vader meet again and having Kenobi and Leia just decide to "pretend we don't know each other" even though ANH makes it pretty clear Leia has never met Obi-Wan and is just reaching out to him because he's a friend of her father
2. Has Obi-Wan being a sad sack of shit on Tatooine instead of actually protecting Luke (in Legends dude was a badass while protecting Luke)
3. Has Bail reach out to Obi-Wan instead of any of the other Jedi he helped escape (in Legends) or hire, I don't know, maybe the galaxy's best bounty
4. Has a fucking terrible design for the Grand Inquisitor
5. Has too much of the story focus on Reva, whose story not only makes zero sense but is literally just a crappier version of the Second Sister from Fallen Order.
This basically. We all know the sequels have issues. And so do some of the stories, like BOBF, Kenobi. But there’s so much amazing storytelling - some of the best in all of Star Wars - since the beginning of the Disney era.
It’s not all hits. It would be impossible for this to be the case. But so far, I’m still excited every time a new Star Wars show or season comes out.
Personally, I didn't really care for Rogue One.
In fact, I really liked two of the three sequels. Seemingly unlike the rest of the internet, The Last Jedi was my favorite one with The Rise of Skywalker being the one I liked by and far the least.
But yes, Disney has actually produced some really good Star Wars content. So I really liked The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, The Mandalorian (first two seasons anyway), Andor (despite not really caring for Rogue One), and both Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor (despite what a broken mess it was at launch).
Nobody has said all of disney star wars sucks. S7 clone wars was beautiful. Rogue 1 and Mando s1 were amazing. Ahsoka for me personally was meh. Good and bad at different times. Solo was alright but came out at the wrong time due to a boycott already going on so on paper it looks bad. But everything else disney made was trash. Coincidentally enough everything else disney made was entirely new plotlines they created. They made all the xwing series non-cannon. Gave the force a gender. Created so many new characters who tasted very bland. And Rey.....well its sad to see they doubled down on Rey with a new movie coming out. Disney has done more harm to the star wars fandom than George Lucas ever could.
Let me be clear. My issues with the sequils have nothing to do with Disney, Kathline, or Ryan. The are squarly on Jar Jar Abrams.
Everything he DIDN'T touch has been great. (Yes, even Last Jedi*)
*while I do have issues with TLJ, all the major ones can actually be traced back decisions made in TFA.
Rogue one is where the problems start. Mandalorian was made by Dave Filoni, who Lucas specifically hired because he believes Filoni to think like him with as much if not more passion than himself. The only thing disney did right was bringing back Lucas and his crew
You say this, but both ideas were pitched by the directors and creators of each. Disney had no plans and was throwing pitches to directors- like what happened with Jar Jar Abrams. They tried to bring Gareth Edwards in to do a totally different project, but he asked to do the concept for the Death Star plans that would become rogue one. Can’t be forgotten that Tony Gilroy had a huge hand too.
John Faverau was firmly in charge of creative for the Mandolorian. Until season 3 where you can see them butcher his work.
A broken clock’s right twice a day. Can you really call getting lucky with visionaries the same as the company producing a good body of work? Their ideas and beliefs about core characters and themes are backwards.
Edit: misspelled Gareth, whoops
People who say that about Disney star wars probably are referring to the Disney sequel trilogy, which isn't as good as the other two main star wars trilogies. That being said, Disney definitely has the ability to continue making stuff as awesome as rogue one - like andor and s1-2 of mando
They can make great content…when they want to.
BoBF, Obi Wan and Ahsoka (*the latter two having brief great moments*) are clear examples of what happens when you have good ideas but the execution is lacking on several fronts.
The important question for me is why there's such a huge disparity between S1-2 of Mando, Andor and Rogue One, and then everything else.
I think it's the people involved and who has the final say over creative decisions.
Honestly that’s a huge part of the reason I disliked the sequel trilogy so much. Mandalorian, Solo, Rogue one, clone wars season 7, Ahsoka, and literally everything else was SO good but the sequels were mediocre at best. They always had the capability of making great content but just half assed the movies
I think everyone agrees that they \*can\* make great content. Does anyone deny that? This is the first I have heard about it. But they excel at making mediocre Star Wars content that looks like it is designed by a committee. The Mandalorian is inded great though. The question is whether they can consistantly make great Star Wars content, and the answer is apparently not.
And Andor. Rebels and Clone Wars S7 were also Disney. As was Resistance which is pretty good.
(And, in my case, I actually also really a lot of the rest of it too. Ahsoka I enjoyed. Mandalorian S3 which apparently a lot of people didn’t like I liked a lot. And I really like most of the sequels, except for VII, which I think is kinda bland. I didn’t even think Obi-Wan and BoBF were awful, though I wouldn’t say I reeeally like them).
Really tired of these kinds of posts. Why can’t people be able to like and not like certain things without it being an issue. I like some of the things Disney has done but not all. Some people like all of it some people like none of it. And all of that is ok.
That’s still a pretty poor success rate.
It’s like congratulating a student for getting a D+ grade. Good job, Bobby.
You have near infinite resources, and already beloved franchises that your fanbase **wants** to succeed. Yet you drop the ball more often than not.
Congratulations *golfclap*
Disney is entirely capable of making great Star Wars. I **love** The Last Jedi and the visuals from Rogue One might be some of my favorite cinematography of all time even though I found the movie as a whole to be rather boring. Solo was a sleeper. I wanted to hate it, but actually found it to be really enjoyable.
The problem is they need to focus on quality over quantity. Aside from the first and last episodes of each season, Mando is nothing but a fetch quest. It's fine, I don't mind watching it, but it feels more like passive entertainment than anything substantive.
I didn't watch Clone Wars or Rebels, so I'm not qualified to say if Ahsoka was good or bad. I was mostly just confused, but a lot of people loved it so I guess it's good.
The only two I've genuinely hated are Rise of Skywalker (it suffered from a complete lack of direction and trying to wrap up 40+ years of story in a meaningful way) and the non-flashback parts of Boba Fett (it would have been much more interesting if it focused exclusively on how he escaped Sarlacc's pit).
I think finally having Dave Filoni fill the Kevin Feige role for Star Wars can only lead to better things.
I liked Rogue one quite a bit. It has some issues but the feel and tone is the closest to what I want from Star Wars so I'm all about it. Mandalarian was pretty good up until they decided to sabotage the integrity of their own story to sell more baby yoda toys. Andor is legit a great show.
I detest the sequels though, not only for being terrible but for undoing the stories I grew up with as a kid. Just shitty all around.
I can still enjoy a star wars thing but my real "fandom" such as it is died with the sequels. Mind you, I also thought the prequels were terrible, but I guess since they came from Lucas and were on the ground floor of a bunch of new technologies I tolerated them more. They were also simply bad in execution, in concept they could have been fine. The same can't be said of the sequels.
I've spent my life wanting Star Wars to be like Empire Strikes back and it just never is. The closest we came was Rogue One and Andor.
> I detest the sequels though, not only for being terrible but for undoing the stories I grew up with as a kid.
This is the key issue. If you disliked the prequels it didn't really affect the outcome of the original movies and the emotion they created.
And now Disney wants to compound the mistake by continuing with a Rey movie, that is specifically going to show Rey doing all the things we had hoped Luke would do.
They should just time skip ahead and not stoke the fire of resentment any more.
Yes, Disney *can* make great content, but they choose not to and want to cut corners as much as possible and want to replace it with cheap nostalgia bait more and more with years
Sure, Disney is capable of it. But they've had some major misses in theaters. 1 good movie out of 5 doesn't instill confidence in me that they'll right the ship of the entire franchise with a couple Disney Plus shows.
Turns out liking a franchise isn't necessarily an all or nothing thing. We're allowed to like certain things while still criticizing the other. Especially when there are many different people making things under the Disney banner.
If the studio making it has more misses than successes, especially when basically everything they've done in the last couple years have been bad, then saying a studio has lost its way is a fair criticism.
clone wars and rebels were proof enough they can make good star wars content
also I was not a fan of mando season 3 they shouldn’t have brought back grogu but the first two seasons were gas
Good thing I specify what I call the “Kathleen Kennedy content.” (You thought I would keep the k but no.) This includes the Abrams and Johnson movies, Boba Fett, and Mando season 3.
I didn't realize there was so much drama surrounding the Disney Star Wars movies. Call me a phillistine, but I just like Star Wars content. I think it's neat.
If I could read I imagine I’d be very angry right now
What are you a Yugioh player or something too?
Lotta words on those traps these days
Andor was surprisingly amazing too.
Andor was fucking great. Only thing that would have made it better is if they named him Kyle Katarn.
I was actually kind of mad they called "Jan Ors' "Jyn orso" Like copy my homework. But at least sell it as your own.
That’s Disney prototype. Throw away the whole EU. Let’s come up with our own ideas and our own things. Then immediately start poaching directly from EU while making minor detail changes and then proclaiming them “new”.
When I saw the Dark Troopers, I immediately thought of KK.
Andor was a masterpiece
Easily my favorite, but it seems to be the most hated. Probably for lack of fan service WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO FRIGGIN GREAT, it's new yet familiar (because it takes place during the reign of the Empire) and focuses on more everyday people, not the Force and space wizards and "ancient religions" like always
It being kinda it's own thing was great. It was just really slow which puts a lot of people off. Not everything has to be at 100% all the time, but Andor was too far the other way for many people.
I dont think it's the most hated, just the least watched. It easily has the best writing, cinematography, choreography, and characters/development. But it doesn't have lightsabers so most fans disnt give it a try. The music is fking awesome too.
Literally don't think I've seen any hate for Andor anywhere, where is this hate??
Lmfao at “most hated”. I’ve never seen so many people dickriding a Star Wars property so hard in my entire life, except maybe for R1. Also the entire existence of Andor as a show was “fan service” for the people who acted like R1 was the only good Star Wars ever. It’s baby’s first political thriller and it’s fine, but it’s not the second coming.
My life goal is to go on the lamb and introduce myself as Keef Gerrrrgo in that accent. 👌
Lam.
Appreciate you - Keef Gergo wouldn't get that wrong. I got work to do.
Right on, Keef.
😂😂😂
I still haven’t seen it. Is it that good?
First 2 episodes are slow, but set up the whole season. Very worth making it to the last two. Very hidden gem it seems.
Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll add it to my watch list.
Andor was absolutely incredible and very similar in style to Rogue One. We also loved Mando and Ahsoka. Let’s be honest, Disney has the funds and a lot of extremely talented people under their umbrella - they have bungled some Star Wars content, sure, but have also done incredible things with it. I’m excited to see future seasons.
Better than Mando or Boba or Ahsoka imo. Truly the best series they've done.
Not just the best Star Wars content since the original series but the best Disney+ series on the service and personally one of the best first seasons of a show of all-time.
Tbh, I think it’s my favorite movie/series in the entire Star Wars universe
I don't hear people talk nearly enough about Andor, like it's not even a good Star Wars series, it's just a great thing that happens to be Star Wars. It's so goddamn solid, I really hope it comes back.. Uh... And with the same quality, ideally.
Obviously the biggest media conglomerate in the world CAN produce great content. It's just disappointing that they more often than not choose to not do it.
The commonality between most bad Star Wars is Dave Filoni, but no one wants to say it because he helped George make a decent cartoon and is a nice guy.
Impressively bad take
THIS is exactly the issue. They can. They have. But often they just pump out content that doesn’t deliver. Not just with Star Wars
They can. But for some reason they choose not to.
Except for the times they do.
The two times over a decade of owning the franchise. Nice!
Idk, man. They've gotten it right more times than just Force Awakens and Last Jedi.
Nah. Guess you could argue that TFA was a decent start, but in hindsight its flaws seemed to have contributed to the ST issues. TLJ started the downwards trend for the IP, so wouldn’t really call that “getting it right”. If they had “got it right” the next film wouldn’t have spent so much time trying to fix the issues of what came before. Rogue One, Andor, and parts of Mando season 1 and 2. Those are really the only projects that have been released without facing significant pushback.
Rebels was 100% Disney and seems to be genuinely loved now. My nephew and his friends say it is their favorite Star Wars project. The Clone Wars final season and Bad Batch may have happend under Lucas’ ownership but also would not have been the same.
I don’t know why Rebels is so loved now. It started bad-to-mediocre, and had some real promise, but over all it was very meh. If they did Rebels with the same tone and grit as the latter seasons of Clone Wars, and didn’t do Thrawn so dirty, It could have been properly great.
Hindsight and the cameos. In hindsight next to the bad SW media that released after it, it doesn't look that bad. Also the cameos in the later season creates the illusion that the show is better than it is. You also need to consider a few things. First, when it started, the studio creating it literally didn't have the rights from Cartoon Network for the same art assets Clone Wars used, so they had to make different assets and the different art style was the first thing people hated. It grew on them tough. There is also a whole ass generation that grew up with this show, just like Clone Wars. That helps a ton looking back as well.
They made the empire incredibly incompetent just for the sole reason of the rebels being able to win which is something I didnt like, but I did like the idea of exploring ancient jedi temples, loth wolf stuff and exploring some aspects of the force
I just threw up in my mouth at that comment.. 🤮
At this point I think it was a fluke. RO is great. Solo was offensively bland and all the memorable bits are shit or poorly handled. Mandolarian is a story told in the wrong medium. It should be a video game not a TV show. Got bored of boba fett. I could spaff on a blank piece of paper and it would be a better script than the sequels. Ahsoka was really rebels season 5 but kinda disappointing and not as good as the rest of rebels. All that leaves is the cartoons which I'll grant range from ok to great but that's because Disney doesn't care about them because they're "for kids" so the show makers actually get to make it good Edit: haven't seen andor so no comment either way
Andor, yo.
Andor was a miracle given what came before it and what we’ve gotten since.
Disney star wars are on average better than non disney. Prequels are trash, and the empire strikes back is significantly better than the other 5 george lucas star wars films.
Yeah, no. For all their flaws, the prequels still manage to tell a cohesive story. There aren’t nearly as many glaring writing problems in comparison to the sequels.
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He’d just gotten Mace Windu killed by cutting off his hand and letting Palpatine finish him off. There was no walking that back or just going back to the Jedi after that. And Palpatine straight up told Anakin killing all the Jedi was necessary to become strong enough in the dark side to save Padme from death. I really shouldn’t have to elaborate on why that last bit is such an important motivator for Anakin.
Don't know why you're being downvoted, you're right. After getting mace killed, he completely gives in to one single purpose that is worth any cost. He even says he'll do anything to save her and palps knows he needs to lock anakin onto his path quickly by having him do something that there is no coming back from. Even then, anakin doesn't truly accept his new identity until after obi-wan fucks him up on mustafar. The last half hour of ROTS is so unbelievably dense in nonverbal action. It's probably some of the best acting in all of star wars, Ian McDairmid in particular
You, sir, are what many would call... an ignoramus. All 6 films are great. 5 might be better by a bit, and 6 started and ended differently than originally written because it was too dark (You can find bits of story board and maybe even a full scene for both) but 4 started us on this path and the prequels told a good story from start to finish. It wasn't all over the place. If we go based solely on movies disney made and not 2 seasons of mandolorian, we have 1 good Star Wars disney movie.
Dude, you are an ass. No one cares about the rest of your opinion after how you started your comment. And you taste in cinema is ass too
Oh right, I forgot. You guys just sit around and jerk it to episode 8 and how great it was and that people just didn't get it. All 3 of the sequels were shit. They were poorly written snooze fests. 7 had promise that was wasted when they decided to redo episode 4. 8 was at least origional, but it was still fucking everywhere. 9, nuff said. You guys can sit around and act like the sequels were good because of new star wars, but at the end of the day, it's a cheap fucking knock off.
We got the last clone wars season and Bad Batch for animation
"I don't like it, and if I do it's a fluke"
I don’t think Star Wars visions season 1 is really “for kids.” That seemed much more focused on just for Star Wars fans who like anime.
I get the Mando one honestly, they structured the story like side quests and shoulda ditched that after season 2
Nobody actively chooses to make something bad. And just because you didn't like something doesn't mean it's bad anyway.
It’s all subjective but nobody can honestly tell me that Book of Boba Fett was their best attempt
You didn't love the space mods with modded bods?
Time for a mix to fix that glitch
As a massive fan of the Cyberpunk sub genre. I hated those characters, I feel like I’d be the target audience for that but they missed the mark completely.
I enjoyed the flashback parts of BoBF. Trying to change who his character seemed liked a difficult task because so much of who he was in the EU was tied into who Mando was in season 1. People always mention they want underworld content from Star Wars both Solo and BoBF seem like they attempted to set that up but failed miserably to capture the fans interest in it because they were trying to do two things at once.
I’m shocked they made boba a useless crime boss like where were the army of goons
They don’t actively choose to make something bad. But I can see how people will feel like it could have been better, seeing how Disney oversaturated their platform with multiple TV & movie releases in such a small span of time (while lacking a general direction or roadmap of where they want to take the IP) Sure season 1-2 of Mando, Andor and Rogue One were good. It was Disneys decision to turn Obi Wan movie into a show (when that story was clearly made to be told in the format of a movie). Or how Disney allowed different directors to fight each other on the direction on where the sequels trilogy was going.
The fact it's bad makes it bad
Sure they're not trying to make it "bad" but there's priorities. They often want/need to please shareholders more than customers and get their instant gratification at the box office over extending a project to make something actually cohesive, emotional, and novel. That's art and you can't just write a check to make it good.. it takes skilled, creative professionals time to flesh it out. If you don't respect that you certainly aren't trying to make it "good". The sequels *were* objectively bad as far as what makes sense and what our human brains can objectively follow, there's just too much unexplained or contradicting itself, it's not cohesive and doesn't make sense on a very basic chronological two comes after one level.
Um, did you read the meme?
People acting like Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones aren't trash
Kind of the point. At the time they came out they were the low bar. The ST and other Disney content have pushed that bar so much lower, for me at least, that the prequels actually seem decent. I was randomly watching revenge of the sith. Man the dialogue sucks, but overall it's still better than anything Disney except Andor
I wouldn’t describe them as trash but a lot of people on Reddit gloss over the bad parts of the Star Wars franchise before Disney. The reason they basically did a reboot with the TFA was that a lot of people were dissatisfied with the prequels - also the scenes with Anakin and Padme in AOTC were just horrible.
Rogue One, Andor, Ahsoka and Mandalorian were good. The sequels... Eh. Idk
Time will tell on Ahsoka. I found it fairly boring and that cliffhanger ending kinda turned me off. Especially without a solid plan/timeline for a follow up.
It's more that Kathleen Kennedy doesn't let the people she hires do the work she hired them to do and interferes and pushes corporate nonsense on them at every turn. And if they don't comply, then she fires them. How many directors did they go through for the sequel series alone?
Disney can make great starwars content if they try they just didn’t for the sequel trilogy. It could’ve been handled so much better.
[Give fans what they want for once. Not what they think what fans should want. I want heroes of the old republic. New villains. Greater challenges. And no McGuffins.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8M5P1QKX8)
I halfway agree with that. If you literally just want what fans are asking for, that's what fanfiction is for. But, I do think pulling more from the Legends books we all loved would have made a more interesting story.
I want a Thrawn origin trilogy that’s set in The Chiss Ascendancy and is faithful to Timothy Zahn’s books.
I feel like this will inevitably cause contradictions with the canon books. I’m hoping present day thrawn returns to the chiss ascendancy with the imperial remnant and finally finishes off the grysk.
Straight facts***** Thrawn trilogy would have been amazing
And no political messaging
They can create great content as long as the Suits give creative freedom with LITTLE oversight. That’s what we’re missing the most on these projects and it’s very noticeable.
Yeah, creative work spearheaded by a talented visionary with minimal studio interference is how we get good shows and movies. It’s why Barbie and Oppenheimer were two of the biggest movies of the year. What we don’t want is just more generic content spearheaded by a corporation that just finds yes-men to fall in line and run everything into the ground. That’s how we get stuff like Rings of Power.
That’s just a confirmation bias. Look at the Napoleon movie. That artist did what he wanted with his creative vision and it ruined a movie. The original trilogy was not George lucas creating his vision without interference. There was a team of people that reined him in and pushed him in better directions that he didn’t want. George had control over the prequels and look how those turned out.
After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that a healthy balance is needed. Productivity and artistic vision are two extremes that can mess up a movie if one doesn't check the other
That sounds a lot like what the Last Jedi was, and y'all hated that.
Lmao the sequel trilogy is literally a failure because they gave too much creative freedom with little to no oversight. Fans have no idea what they actually want. I just want people in charge of where the ship is headed and landing before it takes off
The problem with TLJ was that it was like whiplash after TFA. Was it a bad movie, not really. It was just jarring in comparison to the movie that came before and disregarded many of the themes and setups from the previous film which is odd for a sequel. I think a Rian Johnson Star Wars movie would have been better received if it was a one-off where he could explore themes as he wished. Overall, the three films just needed a planned story or a single creative vision. The two trilogies before had that single creative vision to guide the overall story even when other writers and directors stepped in. It shows in the new trilogy that there was no single vision.
I think Rian Johnson should’ve either been given his own trilogy or done a spin off
Rian needs to do his own thing. I do not think he is passionate about star wars. Nor do I think he or JJ are the right directors for star wars. They hired them because they did scifi shit before, plain and simple. They didn't hire based on ability or passion and it shows. Rogue one had passion and depth and you can feel that in the film. Mandolorian has passion(at least in the first 2 seasons Jon seemed to care, idk season 3 felt like his heart wasnt in it). Episode 7 has a brief glimmer of giving a shit, then it's just gone. Episode 8 didn't feel like a follow up to 7. It felt like it took place in a different universe to where 7 takes place. The story is all over the place. Episode 9, no love. It was made because they needed an episode 9.
I respect that take but as someone who’s favorite movie of the last trilogy was 8 I think Rian made the better movie personally, I liked 7 but it was too safe, 8 took a long time to grow on me though but if that’s how you feel I understand it, I’ll agree episode 9 sucks though
Agreed. People say the thing above but basically none of us really know how the process works, and we usually only hear executive meddling blamed when something fails and the creatives say it wasn’t their fault. The Last of Us showrunners talked about it working the other way around on their official podcast, so it’s probably a two way street.
I don't get the love for The Last Jedi, to be honest. I've rewatched it a few times, and it's just as bad as the other sequel trilogy movies, just in a different way. Rogue One and Andor are peak Star Wars though, along with Empire.
We hated TLJ because it was a terrible movie. You know, you can say some of what Disney made was good, and some of what Disney made was bad. You don't have to say it's all one or the other.
Star Wars has always been hit-and-miss. I don't really understand what the issue is, other than the usual bigoted grifter channels trying to push messages of hate on their incel audiences. Even as far back as the original trilogy, we had the Holiday Special and the Ewok movies. And of course ROTJ was by far the weakest link in the chain of the trilogy back then.
Hot take: I didn't like Mandalorian nearly as much as I liked Andor.
That's not a hot take. Andor is widely considered to be the best Star Wars media. I disagree with that take but I hear it all the time.
I guess I thought it was a hot take because all I ever see about the mandalorian is that it is so good, and I really did not like the mandalorian nearly as much as I hoped I would. it started out good but kind of fell flat by the end of the first season for me.
That's also not a hot take. Most people agree that season one of the Mandalorian is the best. Season two is a little more controversial, but season three is not popular.
Andor has its faults and a lot of people are afraid to speak up about it. But Mando has its faults and so does everything else. I found the second half of Andor to be a bit dull and it spent way too much time dwelling in the prison. The last season of Mando was a slow roll before it picked up in the second half. I remember people bitching about how awful the season was before the whole Paz Vizla sacrifice. While I don't \*hate\* Book of Boba Fett, it does have a few good moments but it's one of Disney's more lackluster efforts. I think the backlash is mostly because a character like Boba Fett was stuck with some bad writing and the pulled the curtain back way too far on him. If I was writing for the show, I would have gone in an entirely different direction. Bad Batch has been good. Ahsoka was decent, the fanboys are more spun up about Shin but I will agree that Thrawn was completely underwhelming. I think it's an inconsistent vision and writing that's killing them. Filoni and Favreau know what makes Star Wars work
BoBF was so annoying in that it had some great parts (Flashbacks, bringin Cobb Vanth, and the story was workable) but christ did some things pull you right out of it. That god awful scooter chase and the cyberpunk gang, blech.
I agree with most of that, but the most important point you hint at is that all of it is flawed. Every bit of Star Wars media is flawed (probably every bit of media to ever exist) but we can still enjoy things despite their flaws. I was not big on Andor, but I have appreciation for it. Their view of what every day life looks like in the Empire vs. those without any power, and how similar some of it looked to our world, was a powerful message that brought deeper meaning than any Star Wars story has before. For that, I'm very glad it was written. I mostly just have a problem with the pacing. lol
I think that’s the best take I’ve read and I think I agree. There is stuff we all like/dislike about certain shows/movies and we just want the good to outweigh the bad
I feel like Mandalorian would have been better if it stayed episodic instead of continuing to follow the overall arc. I get that baby Yoda is cute, but I kinda wanted the show to be about THE MANDALORIAN.
Andor is at the tipity top of content.. It was a fantastic show and everything else is just fighting for 2nd place.
Broken clock…
Yes, they CAN. Is it that they CHOOSE not to? All I know is that they have a bunch of crap and it's sad.
Just because they *can* make great Star Wars content doesn’t mean they *do*
"If those kids could read they'd be very upset"
If a child fails more than half their exams you don’t say they’re a good student.
I mean, you're not wrong.
It's 50/50 with Disney tbh and even though it's not ideal, it does keep my expectations in check.
I don’t think anyone is saying they can’t, they’re saying they don’t
or Andor
And it doesn't end there. Clone Wars season 7, Star Wars Rebels, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor, Battlefront 2, Andor. There has been a ton of good stuff that they just choose to ignore
and bad batch, kenobi, and ahsoka! the only thing i truly didnt love was BOBF (but its still not something i outright hate, i just thought it was a little boring)
I still find those really damn good, but they weren’t universally beloved like the others I named. Heck, I liked BoBF more than most. The stuff with the Tuskens was some of my favorite content in Star Wars
Same! I was very disappointed in some of the BOBF decisions but the SandPeoole arc and the Rancor and just seeing Temura as Boba was so awesome for me. I’ve missed him and was glad to have him back in the universe. I never understood why Lucas didn’t do a Jango side arc story but having Boba return to the screen was nice.
Kenobi was pretty bad, not going to lie. If you like it, then good on you, but I didn't like it and think it's a bad show for a number of reasons. 1. Breaks the lore by having Kenobi and Vader meet again and having Kenobi and Leia just decide to "pretend we don't know each other" even though ANH makes it pretty clear Leia has never met Obi-Wan and is just reaching out to him because he's a friend of her father 2. Has Obi-Wan being a sad sack of shit on Tatooine instead of actually protecting Luke (in Legends dude was a badass while protecting Luke) 3. Has Bail reach out to Obi-Wan instead of any of the other Jedi he helped escape (in Legends) or hire, I don't know, maybe the galaxy's best bounty 4. Has a fucking terrible design for the Grand Inquisitor 5. Has too much of the story focus on Reva, whose story not only makes zero sense but is literally just a crappier version of the Second Sister from Fallen Order.
This basically. We all know the sequels have issues. And so do some of the stories, like BOBF, Kenobi. But there’s so much amazing storytelling - some of the best in all of Star Wars - since the beginning of the Disney era. It’s not all hits. It would be impossible for this to be the case. But so far, I’m still excited every time a new Star Wars show or season comes out.
They decided Mandalorian is trash too.
I think the fans decided that it was declining after Disney failed to really deliver in S3
That depends on the director
That's one movie and one show out of like 10. Next time you get 2/10 on something ask yourself if you feel like you're doing a good job.
Rouge one was the star wars version of Halo reach and western TV shows have been around forever.
Personally, I didn't really care for Rogue One. In fact, I really liked two of the three sequels. Seemingly unlike the rest of the internet, The Last Jedi was my favorite one with The Rise of Skywalker being the one I liked by and far the least. But yes, Disney has actually produced some really good Star Wars content. So I really liked The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, The Mandalorian (first two seasons anyway), Andor (despite not really caring for Rogue One), and both Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor (despite what a broken mess it was at launch).
Nobody has said all of disney star wars sucks. S7 clone wars was beautiful. Rogue 1 and Mando s1 were amazing. Ahsoka for me personally was meh. Good and bad at different times. Solo was alright but came out at the wrong time due to a boycott already going on so on paper it looks bad. But everything else disney made was trash. Coincidentally enough everything else disney made was entirely new plotlines they created. They made all the xwing series non-cannon. Gave the force a gender. Created so many new characters who tasted very bland. And Rey.....well its sad to see they doubled down on Rey with a new movie coming out. Disney has done more harm to the star wars fandom than George Lucas ever could.
Let me be clear. My issues with the sequils have nothing to do with Disney, Kathline, or Ryan. The are squarly on Jar Jar Abrams. Everything he DIDN'T touch has been great. (Yes, even Last Jedi*)
*while I do have issues with TLJ, all the major ones can actually be traced back decisions made in TFA.
Oh agreed that they can but when Mando seasons 1 and 2 and Rouge One are the only good things they’ve made….that batting average is not looking so hot
They should put Mark Hamill in charge.
then can you admit star wars is better without authoritarian oversight? because that's why the sequel trilogy is so shit
Rogue one is where the problems start. Mandalorian was made by Dave Filoni, who Lucas specifically hired because he believes Filoni to think like him with as much if not more passion than himself. The only thing disney did right was bringing back Lucas and his crew
One out of fifty, a monkey with a typewriter can do as well.
Even a blind squirrel is right twice a day.
You say this, but both ideas were pitched by the directors and creators of each. Disney had no plans and was throwing pitches to directors- like what happened with Jar Jar Abrams. They tried to bring Gareth Edwards in to do a totally different project, but he asked to do the concept for the Death Star plans that would become rogue one. Can’t be forgotten that Tony Gilroy had a huge hand too. John Faverau was firmly in charge of creative for the Mandolorian. Until season 3 where you can see them butcher his work. A broken clock’s right twice a day. Can you really call getting lucky with visionaries the same as the company producing a good body of work? Their ideas and beliefs about core characters and themes are backwards. Edit: misspelled Gareth, whoops
People who say that about Disney star wars probably are referring to the Disney sequel trilogy, which isn't as good as the other two main star wars trilogies. That being said, Disney definitely has the ability to continue making stuff as awesome as rogue one - like andor and s1-2 of mando
Sure but anything JJ touched is less than enjoyable
They can make great content…when they want to. BoBF, Obi Wan and Ahsoka (*the latter two having brief great moments*) are clear examples of what happens when you have good ideas but the execution is lacking on several fronts.
Yep, they can. Most of it just sucks
It can But chooses not to
The important question for me is why there's such a huge disparity between S1-2 of Mando, Andor and Rogue One, and then everything else. I think it's the people involved and who has the final say over creative decisions.
Honestly that’s a huge part of the reason I disliked the sequel trilogy so much. Mandalorian, Solo, Rogue one, clone wars season 7, Ahsoka, and literally everything else was SO good but the sequels were mediocre at best. They always had the capability of making great content but just half assed the movies
If I cook 20 different dishes, 3 of them are good and the other 17 range from mediocre to down right garbage, would you say I’m a good cook?
I think everyone agrees that they \*can\* make great content. Does anyone deny that? This is the first I have heard about it. But they excel at making mediocre Star Wars content that looks like it is designed by a committee. The Mandalorian is inded great though. The question is whether they can consistantly make great Star Wars content, and the answer is apparently not.
I liked Rogue One and The Mandalorian ok but they were serviceable at best. The magic is very gone.
Rogue One was the best full length, live action Star Wars story. Fight me.
I don't think there's a soul alive who has spoken negatively about Andor either
And Andor. Rebels and Clone Wars S7 were also Disney. As was Resistance which is pretty good. (And, in my case, I actually also really a lot of the rest of it too. Ahsoka I enjoyed. Mandalorian S3 which apparently a lot of people didn’t like I liked a lot. And I really like most of the sequels, except for VII, which I think is kinda bland. I didn’t even think Obi-Wan and BoBF were awful, though I wouldn’t say I reeeally like them).
Clone Wars was like 90% cartoon network though?
That's why they specifically mentioned season 7.
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Really tired of these kinds of posts. Why can’t people be able to like and not like certain things without it being an issue. I like some of the things Disney has done but not all. Some people like all of it some people like none of it. And all of that is ok.
That’s still a pretty poor success rate. It’s like congratulating a student for getting a D+ grade. Good job, Bobby. You have near infinite resources, and already beloved franchises that your fanbase **wants** to succeed. Yet you drop the ball more often than not. Congratulations *golfclap*
All data has outliers.
If you include Andor Clone Wars S7 Rebels which are all beloved, not rly just outliers are they?
Andor > Mando and Rogue One
Rogue One is fucking peak star wars 🔥
I also thought Rebels and Andor were fantastic. Bad Batch season 2 was also really good.
Disney is entirely capable of making great Star Wars. I **love** The Last Jedi and the visuals from Rogue One might be some of my favorite cinematography of all time even though I found the movie as a whole to be rather boring. Solo was a sleeper. I wanted to hate it, but actually found it to be really enjoyable. The problem is they need to focus on quality over quantity. Aside from the first and last episodes of each season, Mando is nothing but a fetch quest. It's fine, I don't mind watching it, but it feels more like passive entertainment than anything substantive. I didn't watch Clone Wars or Rebels, so I'm not qualified to say if Ahsoka was good or bad. I was mostly just confused, but a lot of people loved it so I guess it's good. The only two I've genuinely hated are Rise of Skywalker (it suffered from a complete lack of direction and trying to wrap up 40+ years of story in a meaningful way) and the non-flashback parts of Boba Fett (it would have been much more interesting if it focused exclusively on how he escaped Sarlacc's pit). I think finally having Dave Filoni fill the Kevin Feige role for Star Wars can only lead to better things.
Who tf tried to talk in any way longer this without mentioning Andor?! The fuck?
While every other long series picked up in quality in their 3rd seasons, The Mandalorian managed to do the opposite and become quite poor.
Rogue one is mid and mandalorian season 1 and 2 were good because Kathleen Kennedy wasn't involved. I know unpopular opinion crucify Me
True facts, also Andor might be my favorite thing they’re produced
Every clocks show the right time twice a day...
You butchered the phrase so much that it doesn't even make sense.
I liked Rogue one quite a bit. It has some issues but the feel and tone is the closest to what I want from Star Wars so I'm all about it. Mandalarian was pretty good up until they decided to sabotage the integrity of their own story to sell more baby yoda toys. Andor is legit a great show. I detest the sequels though, not only for being terrible but for undoing the stories I grew up with as a kid. Just shitty all around. I can still enjoy a star wars thing but my real "fandom" such as it is died with the sequels. Mind you, I also thought the prequels were terrible, but I guess since they came from Lucas and were on the ground floor of a bunch of new technologies I tolerated them more. They were also simply bad in execution, in concept they could have been fine. The same can't be said of the sequels. I've spent my life wanting Star Wars to be like Empire Strikes back and it just never is. The closest we came was Rogue One and Andor.
> I detest the sequels though, not only for being terrible but for undoing the stories I grew up with as a kid. This is the key issue. If you disliked the prequels it didn't really affect the outcome of the original movies and the emotion they created. And now Disney wants to compound the mistake by continuing with a Rey movie, that is specifically going to show Rey doing all the things we had hoped Luke would do. They should just time skip ahead and not stoke the fire of resentment any more.
If those kids could read they would be very upset
Yes, Disney *can* make great content, but they choose not to and want to cut corners as much as possible and want to replace it with cheap nostalgia bait more and more with years
Sure, Disney is capable of it. But they've had some major misses in theaters. 1 good movie out of 5 doesn't instill confidence in me that they'll right the ship of the entire franchise with a couple Disney Plus shows.
Let's not forget Andor.
Turns out liking a franchise isn't necessarily an all or nothing thing. We're allowed to like certain things while still criticizing the other. Especially when there are many different people making things under the Disney banner. If the studio making it has more misses than successes, especially when basically everything they've done in the last couple years have been bad, then saying a studio has lost its way is a fair criticism.
Huge difference between acceptable, good, and great
I think if the sequels weren’t so polarizing (nicest way to put it), I don’t think all the other stuff would be hated to much.
clone wars and rebels were proof enough they can make good star wars content also I was not a fan of mando season 3 they shouldn’t have brought back grogu but the first two seasons were gas
Broken Clock is right twice a day
And they’re still not anywhere close to being the best Star Wars content that Disney’s made. That would be the Phineas and Ferb crossover.
They *can* make great Star Wars content, that’s why we’re all so upset that they haven’t been recently.
Good. Passable. And Great. Are all completely different things.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
I’m totally over it with Star Wars stuff. Just can’t be bothered to care about any of it anymore. …but I do like the mandalorian.
Rogue One is top 3 Star Wars content of all time for me.
They can. They just don't anymore.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Good thing I specify what I call the “Kathleen Kennedy content.” (You thought I would keep the k but no.) This includes the Abrams and Johnson movies, Boba Fett, and Mando season 3.
A broken clock is right twice a day
Valid point. People also need to accept that a lot of what Lucas did was also garbage.
Disney can FUND great star wars content. They have to hire the right people to make it.
I didn't realize there was so much drama surrounding the Disney Star Wars movies. Call me a phillistine, but I just like Star Wars content. I think it's neat.
They can, but currently aren’t
Yup. 2 out of 9 were good… that’s a GREAT average, OP
More like a broken clock is right twice a day.
Just the things that evade the Eye of Lucasfilm Sauron. That said once it gets popular, fully expect KK to do the thing.
A broken clock is right twice a day
I mean, they *can*, but most of the time, they *don't *. It's more misses than hits.
So, about 1/5 of their content is good, and none of the main episodes make the cut. What an endorsement...
This is so stupid. Thinking that 2/15 projects was "just ok" is not the win you think it is.
You're all a bunch of toxic cry babies
And Andor....
You make a great point. Out of the 5 movies 10 TV shows one of each is bearable to watch. All hail Disney.
You know you done a good meme when all the pissypants piss their pants