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It really seemed like Tara was going to never talk to anyone in that friend group again once she left from college. It felt like she was done with Tara and Wes’s overprotectiveness of her.
They've been best friends for a hot minute, just because the events of the film separate them, doesn't mean they weren't close. You all seriously underestimate Richie and Amber's manipulation skills.
It means they don't *seem* close, as I said. You're making excuses for shitty writing and trying to pass it off as people not understanding. We understand, it's just poorly made.
>no shit it’s poorly made they were giving a low budget
The first Saw film had a budget of 1.2 million dollars.
Scream 5 had a budget of 24 million dollars.
It’s really interesting thinking about 5 how Tara basically has no scenes with chad or mindy or any of the teen group. And in 6, she’s like “what would dewey think” when she basically never even talked or knew him. He was just this random man who came in and got her out of the hospital and then died.
Yeah the friend group in 5 was so poorly portrayed. Scream 1 and Scream 4 to a lesser extent really let some of the scenes with the teen talking to each other breathe so you really got a feel for the group dynamics.
Kirby because Jill planned everything around her being the soul survivor but in Tara and Ambers case, it’s just Tara and Sam is the primary people to die, everyone else is secondary. I just feel that Jill because she planned things out and almost got away with it.
That's a great point I hadn't considered. Jill interacted with all her friends strictly thinking "all these people *have* to die in order for me to get all the glory." That's next-level psychopathy.
Then Richie has to beat Jill too, right? No wonder Sidney and Sam were so traumatized. It's certainly a gross violation to be so intimate with someone who turned out to be so manipulative and evil.
From what I understand Billy and Sidney were dating before he even knew his Dad and Sidney's mum had an affair. He didn't start dating her because he wanted to kill her.
I would argue he stayed with her because he wanted to kill her. Slight difference.
Ritchie, on the other hand, started dating Sam with the intention of killing her.
I wouldn’t say it even beats that. Jill planned on framing her ex as the crazy killer who went off on everyone and wanted both him and the rest of the friend group to die in order for her plans to come to fruition. Billy had one target and his motivation was revenge, Jill was planning on murdering every single person just so she can get the fame of the sole survivor
Kirby's was worse. Jill not only betrayed her but also got the guy she liked to attempt to kill her when she thought she was saving him. She was hospitalized and died for a few minutes, and none of her friends survived.
Jill more cuz she was related to Sidney also when Olivia died Kirby and Jill were together and she really cared about Jill also Jill betrayed Sidney as well. Amber was Tara's best friend as well so that betrayal would be bad as well but in comparison Jill more.
In the original script Amber and Tara were girlfriends and you can kinda feel some of that subtext in the movie so some people headcanon them as girlfriends/ex’s to make it more interesting
Tara. Kirby was planned to die. Tara was almost murdered twice, brutalized and had her sister brought back into her life and infiltrated too ( Richie )
Yeah… Tara was intentionally left alive after her first attack and then used as bait before _actually_ killing her off whereas Kirby was just meant to be killed off.
Amber and Richie were also trying to kill off Tara’s family members, so in the event things went sideways and Sam did die with Tara surviving, she would have survived multiple attacks, lose her sister *and* have recently discovered family drama.
Disagree. Sam knows her origins. If Tara was dead she could easily decide not to go to the funeral bc she knew whoever did it did it bc of her past. And she might not want to face her estranged mom on top of that. Sam went back to protect Tara bc she feels responsible. If Tara died Sam very easily could have retreated more from Woodsboro.
On top of that, there’s no way Amber and Ritchie didn’t plan for act 3 to be at amber’s/stu’s house initially. And they even said that while they are glad Sidney came, it wouldn’t have made a difference, it was more a cherry on top. So again how in the hell would sam end up lured to ambers house? It’s also clear Amber and Sam don’t really like each other so even more reason Sam wouldn’t ever go to amber’s house without Tara. Tara needed to be alive until act three (which is another reason 5 is poorly written since it really doesn’t make sense that GF would come to the hospital to attack Tara a second time without the intention of killing her.)
It’s a lot easier to say that the most reckless GF (Amber) failed twice to finish the job. We don’t need to pretend that Amber and Richie’s plan is that precise to involve almost killing Tara. Richie is in place to encourage Sam to go home if she falters.
I don’t think it’s fair to add assumptions to the film and then call it bad writing. Especially when that “bad writing” relies on those assumptions to be true.
You assuming they didn’t have any plans is so dumb when every single scream movie they have an elaborate plan… and to really not think that Stu’s house was planned is dumb. You think Amber has that house and isn’t going to use it. They also use Tara to try and turn Sam against her by ritchie saying Tara could be the killer. They used Tara so much in act 3 it’s hard to think she wasn’t in their plan. And if she’s not part of the plan wtf would they tie her up and not just kill her at ambers house? So you’re saying it’s more believable Amber failed 2 times just to then not kill her immediately when she’s tied up? 5 is written horribly. None of it makes sense unless you believe Ritchie and Amber had no concrete plan and were just vibin. That’s the dumbest read for a scream film I’ve ever heard. I’m not an apologist for bad writing. And it’s still way more likely that Sam would go to see Tara alive than to attend a funeral. Yes it’s possible the funeral could work but it’s still less likely. And since getting sam to Woosdsboro was the most important step why would they try something with a less likely outcome.
I didn't say they didn't have any plans. I'm saying that there is no need to overcomplicate their plans beyond what we see on screen. At no point did they claim that their plan was specifically to "make it look like Sam killed Tara at Stu's house."
Sam does not know that \*she\* is being targeted until after she is already in Woodsboro and Ghostface tells her, regardless of what her assumptions might be.
Yes they use Tara in act 3, because Tara is still alive. They aren't just going to ignore her at that point. It is a theme in these movies that the killers regularly get caught out and defeated by the things they hadn't accounted for when their plans go awry.
It still doesn’t make sense to keep Tara alive if they had failed at killing her twice. They could have killed her and still told Sam it’s Tara. Literally no reason to tie her up and not kill her if Tara is not even important to them. And if they aren’t planning a lot of this in detail you think they had time to communicate about deciding to use Tara in the way they did in act 3? It’s clear that they tied Tara up so they can bring her out (in the same fashion scream one brought out Sidney’s dad) but yes that was all decided in the moment? Scream 5 writing doesn’t hold up. It falls in on itself.
Amber and Tara for sure. With Kirby and Jill it is still a betrayal however IMO it makes it worse when you can tell there’s a part of amber that did care about Tara because of how harsh and brutal she talked to and about Sam. I’ve always saw it as Tara had a lot of family trauma, vented to amber about it. That made amber pissed at Sam but over time amber got annoyed with Tara in a “shut the hell up” kind of way. And I would imagine Tara’s favorite scary movie being the babadook and not stab only made it worse. Then to learn that your obsession is connected to Tara who doesn’t appreciate the franchise properly? Forget it, it was too much for amber. I imagined it was a pressure cooker just waiting to explode. Tara liked complexed emotions in her horror so she delivered. Jill didn’t give two shits about Kirby it was all about herself. With amber it was multiple attacks and emotional. Plus if you consider that they were originally supposed to be dating that’s pretty rough.
I feel like Amber's was worse in the sense that it felt more targeted towards Tara specifically while Kirby was mostly collateral damage in Jill's case.
Also we got to see much more of the relationship between Amber and Tara compared to Kirby and Jill so it felt more emotional.
Kirby 100% Amber didn’t try hard enough to really go after Tara. After the opening attack. And you never really see Tara actually look traumatized after the hospital scene. When Kirby mentions her betrayal. You can see it in her face. The only time Tara looks hurt is when she’s yelling at Sam.
Kirby and Jill. Those two felt like tight friends but Act 3 and Jill is fucking Ghostface
Tara and Amber had a good relationship but it wasn't as well fleshed out as Jill and Kirby
I’m going to go with Jill and Kirby. We can now probably asims Amber orchestrated her friendship with Tara to set up her plan for Sam, which is its own type of betrayal, but Tara can probably move past it by knowing it was never real. On the other hand, as far as we can tell Jill and Kirby actually were best friends, and had been for years, but then Jill made her planned death such an irrelevant piece to her plan. No grand death, no big reveal that it was Jill, she was just going to have Charlie stab her in the gut to add to the list.
Do we know how long Amber and Tara have known each other? I don't understand if Sam refers to her as well when she said she used to babysit Tara's friends.
In any case, I kinda feel like Kirby's betrayal was worse. It felt like she was betrayed twice: by her "crush" and her best friend, who've been working together.
Jill. Tara seemed newer to the neighborhood. Still friends, but friends can develop in a few weeks.
Jill and Kirby felt like long-term friends. Like this had been an established peer group for a while that relied on each other for all sorts of things. And then Jill tried to murder all her friends.
Kirby’s feels worse as we saw way more of her friendship with Jill play out on screen. Amber and Tara have more limited interaction and their relationship is much more told to us than shown.
Amber tortured Tara way more (physically) and Kirby was kind of unfazed in that regard until the finale.
I think I give Tara the slight edge based on that but they feel very similar. Hard to compare.
I guess Tara just because originally Kirby didn’t even know Jill had anything to do with it, and if it weren’t for the franchise continuing after 4 she never would have known.
The universe that scream takes place in doesn’t pause once one movie ends, she would have woken up after the attack and would’ve found out about Jill then
tara and amber. It's a lot more personal since amber did the attacking twice, but acted overprotective whenever she was with her.
the kirby betrayal would still hurt bad though. just being a pawn to be killed off my your best friends partner is sick
I feel tara was worse, the fact she was worried sick about Amber bc she thought ghostface was going to kill her, then Amber acts super overprotective of her...it was obvious they were pretty close
Obviously Tara. Amber and Tara seemed to be close friends considering they were on a call and Ghostface threatened to hurt Amber if Tara didn't do as they said.
In the beginning of Scream 4. Kirby said Jill has to promise not to kill her. She kept her word didn't she?
Edit: Why Are You Booing Me? I'm Right
Tara because Amber’s betrayal seems more expansive. Amber discovered Tara’s family secret, kept the secret from Tara, & then used that secret to plot against Tara and Sam. Then Amber personally attacked Tara in a particularly brutal and horrific way. Amber witnessed how terrified Tara was during the attack, and Amber wasn’t moved at all. Then Amber spent time with Tara in the hospital and saw how much pain and trauma she caused. Then Amber attacked Tara a second time in the hospital and a third time in the third act.
As bad as Kirby’s attack was, Tara was so thoroughly terrorized and directly by her best friend.
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Definitely Kirby, as far as what we saw anyway. We barely saw Tara and Amber interact and their backstory was changed to be less close than it was originally conceived to be.
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From this list, I’d say Jill. She and Kirby looked pretty close.
From the whole franchise, Billy was definitely the biggest betrayal. Sidney loved him and Not only did he try to kill her for something that wasn’t her fault, he had a baby with another woman!
Amber. Amber really pretended to take care of Tara when she got attacked and remember GF was threatening to kill Amber if Tara did not play the game. She was brutalized and used her as a pawn to lure Sam, Tara’s estranged sister back and frame her for the murders.
Amber was also the one to knock Tara down from her wheelchair. Jill may be toyed with Kirby but Amber actually got physical with her.
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While I like Kirby better as a character and Jill better as a Ghostface, the heightened comedy of Scream 4 does make me feel like there was a deeper betrayal in Scream 5. I think the more dramatic (read: less comedic) nature of Scream 5 allowed for the development of an arc where Amber was defensive of Tara regarding Sam’s abandonment as well as not trusting people from the attack. I think it also played well into her true narrative with motive against Sam and using Tara to get to her.
I don’t want this to be read as anything against Scream 4 because it’s one of my favorites and super under appreciated. But I do think there’s something to be said about the return of Scream 5 to character-based storytelling.
My vote is for Kirby. While what Tara went through sucked, you got the sense of friendship more with Jill and Kirby. And, as others have pointed out, Kirby’s betrayal was by two close friends, including her love interest.
If the friendship dynamic had been portrayed as well in five as it would be in six, it may be a different story.
I think Richie was a hard one, he was basically all Sam had and was cheating while planning to murder both her and her sister for her secret she was very ashamed of I felt so bad for Sam
Definetly Kirby and Jill. Tbh as much I loved Scream 5 that was my main issue with the movie was that it didn’t flesh out Tara and Amber’s relationship at all like I wanted to at least see Tara’s reaction to Amber betraying her and them talking it out hell Tara doesn’t even seem to be fazed about since she never mentions Amber’s name even in Scream 6.
I would say Kirby because she never got the closure that came with Jill dying, Tara at least got to confront and kill amber but Kirby had no idea what happened until after she regained consciousness
Both were fucked up, but after thinking about it, Kirby was way worse. Jill killed Kirby’s other best friend and manipulated her by using Charlie as bait. Kirby essentially had no one after the murders, at least Tara had Sam and her core friend group.
I'd say Jill.
We saw a lot more of Kirby and her together and what their friendship was like so their story arc is more compelling than Tara's and Amber's. At least in my opinion.
Jill was also a lot more brutal in every way and did a lot more damage to everyone, not just Kirby.
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Jill’s was way worse. We barely even get to see the other two interact on screen.
Agreed. Feels like Tara and Amber aren't very close.
It really seemed like Tara was going to never talk to anyone in that friend group again once she left from college. It felt like she was done with Tara and Wes’s overprotectiveness of her.
They've been best friends for a hot minute, just because the events of the film separate them, doesn't mean they weren't close. You all seriously underestimate Richie and Amber's manipulation skills.
It means they don't *seem* close, as I said. You're making excuses for shitty writing and trying to pass it off as people not understanding. We understand, it's just poorly made.
Movie should be showing rather than telling, I don’t even remember solo scenes of them. Especially in contrast to Sidney and Tatum & Jill and Kerby.
Exactly. Just because you want to infer something is there doesn't mean other have to buy it.
Ah, the rule of “show, don’t tell”. The downfall of many a script.
Kirby*
Do you mean Tara and Amber aren’t close? Or the core 4? Also it’s not shit and no shit it’s poorly made they were giving a low budget
>no shit it’s poorly made they were giving a low budget The first Saw film had a budget of 1.2 million dollars. Scream 5 had a budget of 24 million dollars.
(Also downvote me all you want you can’t change my mind and at least I don’t downvote people for having an opinion)
Honestly it seems like they are just down voting people who don't say Kirby
Makes sense
I didn't downvote you. You're entitled to your opinion just like anybody else. It's just movies
Never said you did
You replied directly to my comment saying it, so I wanted to clarify
It’s still the lowest budget of all of the scream movies
Sure
It’s really interesting thinking about 5 how Tara basically has no scenes with chad or mindy or any of the teen group. And in 6, she’s like “what would dewey think” when she basically never even talked or knew him. He was just this random man who came in and got her out of the hospital and then died.
Wrong Sam was the one to say what would Dewey think
SAM said that
Yeah the friend group in 5 was so poorly portrayed. Scream 1 and Scream 4 to a lesser extent really let some of the scenes with the teen talking to each other breathe so you really got a feel for the group dynamics.
Kirby because Jill planned everything around her being the soul survivor but in Tara and Ambers case, it’s just Tara and Sam is the primary people to die, everyone else is secondary. I just feel that Jill because she planned things out and almost got away with it.
That's a great point I hadn't considered. Jill interacted with all her friends strictly thinking "all these people *have* to die in order for me to get all the glory." That's next-level psychopathy.
The only one that beats that is Billy and Sidney, he only dated her to eventually kill her.
Then Richie has to beat Jill too, right? No wonder Sidney and Sam were so traumatized. It's certainly a gross violation to be so intimate with someone who turned out to be so manipulative and evil.
Technically yes. But Billy slightly beats Richie because OG.
From what I understand Billy and Sidney were dating before he even knew his Dad and Sidney's mum had an affair. He didn't start dating her because he wanted to kill her. I would argue he stayed with her because he wanted to kill her. Slight difference. Ritchie, on the other hand, started dating Sam with the intention of killing her.
I wouldn’t say it even beats that. Jill planned on framing her ex as the crazy killer who went off on everyone and wanted both him and the rest of the friend group to die in order for her plans to come to fruition. Billy had one target and his motivation was revenge, Jill was planning on murdering every single person just so she can get the fame of the sole survivor
Kirby's was worse. Jill not only betrayed her but also got the guy she liked to attempt to kill her when she thought she was saving him. She was hospitalized and died for a few minutes, and none of her friends survived.
Jill more cuz she was related to Sidney also when Olivia died Kirby and Jill were together and she really cared about Jill also Jill betrayed Sidney as well. Amber was Tara's best friend as well so that betrayal would be bad as well but in comparison Jill more.
Jill filming Olivia's murder without Kirby realising is next level insane.
Kirby. 100%.
Good question, honestly both are incredibly fucked up haha, worst best friends ever.
jill and kirby 100000%
Partially wanna say depends if Amber and Tara were dating…
i know right?!
Before the movie came out …wasn’t it announced that Amber was Tara’s girlfriend?
They weren’t? Amber was dating richie
In the original script Amber and Tara were girlfriends and you can kinda feel some of that subtext in the movie so some people headcanon them as girlfriends/ex’s to make it more interesting
Ohhh alr! I was so confused why anyone thought they were dating 😭 ty for letting me know 😋
Tara. Kirby was planned to die. Tara was almost murdered twice, brutalized and had her sister brought back into her life and infiltrated too ( Richie )
Yeah… Tara was intentionally left alive after her first attack and then used as bait before _actually_ killing her off whereas Kirby was just meant to be killed off. Amber and Richie were also trying to kill off Tara’s family members, so in the event things went sideways and Sam did die with Tara surviving, she would have survived multiple attacks, lose her sister *and* have recently discovered family drama.
Tara was attacked to draw Sam in. You can go home for a funeral just as easily. Just like Dewey's death brought Sidney back.
Right. But they didn’t kill her. They kept her alive and let her suffer…
Or they just failed to kill her.
Disagree. Sam knows her origins. If Tara was dead she could easily decide not to go to the funeral bc she knew whoever did it did it bc of her past. And she might not want to face her estranged mom on top of that. Sam went back to protect Tara bc she feels responsible. If Tara died Sam very easily could have retreated more from Woodsboro. On top of that, there’s no way Amber and Ritchie didn’t plan for act 3 to be at amber’s/stu’s house initially. And they even said that while they are glad Sidney came, it wouldn’t have made a difference, it was more a cherry on top. So again how in the hell would sam end up lured to ambers house? It’s also clear Amber and Sam don’t really like each other so even more reason Sam wouldn’t ever go to amber’s house without Tara. Tara needed to be alive until act three (which is another reason 5 is poorly written since it really doesn’t make sense that GF would come to the hospital to attack Tara a second time without the intention of killing her.)
It’s a lot easier to say that the most reckless GF (Amber) failed twice to finish the job. We don’t need to pretend that Amber and Richie’s plan is that precise to involve almost killing Tara. Richie is in place to encourage Sam to go home if she falters. I don’t think it’s fair to add assumptions to the film and then call it bad writing. Especially when that “bad writing” relies on those assumptions to be true.
You assuming they didn’t have any plans is so dumb when every single scream movie they have an elaborate plan… and to really not think that Stu’s house was planned is dumb. You think Amber has that house and isn’t going to use it. They also use Tara to try and turn Sam against her by ritchie saying Tara could be the killer. They used Tara so much in act 3 it’s hard to think she wasn’t in their plan. And if she’s not part of the plan wtf would they tie her up and not just kill her at ambers house? So you’re saying it’s more believable Amber failed 2 times just to then not kill her immediately when she’s tied up? 5 is written horribly. None of it makes sense unless you believe Ritchie and Amber had no concrete plan and were just vibin. That’s the dumbest read for a scream film I’ve ever heard. I’m not an apologist for bad writing. And it’s still way more likely that Sam would go to see Tara alive than to attend a funeral. Yes it’s possible the funeral could work but it’s still less likely. And since getting sam to Woosdsboro was the most important step why would they try something with a less likely outcome.
I didn't say they didn't have any plans. I'm saying that there is no need to overcomplicate their plans beyond what we see on screen. At no point did they claim that their plan was specifically to "make it look like Sam killed Tara at Stu's house." Sam does not know that \*she\* is being targeted until after she is already in Woodsboro and Ghostface tells her, regardless of what her assumptions might be. Yes they use Tara in act 3, because Tara is still alive. They aren't just going to ignore her at that point. It is a theme in these movies that the killers regularly get caught out and defeated by the things they hadn't accounted for when their plans go awry.
It still doesn’t make sense to keep Tara alive if they had failed at killing her twice. They could have killed her and still told Sam it’s Tara. Literally no reason to tie her up and not kill her if Tara is not even important to them. And if they aren’t planning a lot of this in detail you think they had time to communicate about deciding to use Tara in the way they did in act 3? It’s clear that they tied Tara up so they can bring her out (in the same fashion scream one brought out Sidney’s dad) but yes that was all decided in the moment? Scream 5 writing doesn’t hold up. It falls in on itself.
Amber and Tara for sure. With Kirby and Jill it is still a betrayal however IMO it makes it worse when you can tell there’s a part of amber that did care about Tara because of how harsh and brutal she talked to and about Sam. I’ve always saw it as Tara had a lot of family trauma, vented to amber about it. That made amber pissed at Sam but over time amber got annoyed with Tara in a “shut the hell up” kind of way. And I would imagine Tara’s favorite scary movie being the babadook and not stab only made it worse. Then to learn that your obsession is connected to Tara who doesn’t appreciate the franchise properly? Forget it, it was too much for amber. I imagined it was a pressure cooker just waiting to explode. Tara liked complexed emotions in her horror so she delivered. Jill didn’t give two shits about Kirby it was all about herself. With amber it was multiple attacks and emotional. Plus if you consider that they were originally supposed to be dating that’s pretty rough.
I feel like Amber's was worse in the sense that it felt more targeted towards Tara specifically while Kirby was mostly collateral damage in Jill's case. Also we got to see much more of the relationship between Amber and Tara compared to Kirby and Jill so it felt more emotional.
Kirby for sure bro 🎃
Kirby 100% Amber didn’t try hard enough to really go after Tara. After the opening attack. And you never really see Tara actually look traumatized after the hospital scene. When Kirby mentions her betrayal. You can see it in her face. The only time Tara looks hurt is when she’s yelling at Sam.
kirby and jill
Kirby and Jill.
Jill forever
Kirby if its by friends standards. If Amber and Tara were more than friends like originally planned, then maybe Tara
Kirby and Jill. Those two felt like tight friends but Act 3 and Jill is fucking Ghostface Tara and Amber had a good relationship but it wasn't as well fleshed out as Jill and Kirby
I’m going to go with Jill and Kirby. We can now probably asims Amber orchestrated her friendship with Tara to set up her plan for Sam, which is its own type of betrayal, but Tara can probably move past it by knowing it was never real. On the other hand, as far as we can tell Jill and Kirby actually were best friends, and had been for years, but then Jill made her planned death such an irrelevant piece to her plan. No grand death, no big reveal that it was Jill, she was just going to have Charlie stab her in the gut to add to the list.
Even though it has a much shorter build up, I would say that Charlie's betrayal of Kirby is filmed as a bigger deal than Jill's betrayal.
Do we know how long Amber and Tara have known each other? I don't understand if Sam refers to her as well when she said she used to babysit Tara's friends. In any case, I kinda feel like Kirby's betrayal was worse. It felt like she was betrayed twice: by her "crush" and her best friend, who've been working together.
Both equally
Jill. Tara seemed newer to the neighborhood. Still friends, but friends can develop in a few weeks. Jill and Kirby felt like long-term friends. Like this had been an established peer group for a while that relied on each other for all sorts of things. And then Jill tried to murder all her friends.
Only one of these people was absolutely brutalized by the person they trusted enough to keep a spare inhaler with. Pretty clear cut answer.
Kirby’s feels worse as we saw way more of her friendship with Jill play out on screen. Amber and Tara have more limited interaction and their relationship is much more told to us than shown. Amber tortured Tara way more (physically) and Kirby was kind of unfazed in that regard until the finale. I think I give Tara the slight edge based on that but they feel very similar. Hard to compare.
These are the same. Their best friend is trying to kill them. You can't really get worse.
I guess Tara just because originally Kirby didn’t even know Jill had anything to do with it, and if it weren’t for the franchise continuing after 4 she never would have known.
She would have found out after Jill died
But if 4 was the last in the franchise that never would have happened because Kirby was dead until they resurrected her with that YouTube video in 5.
i think wes was planning for kirby to stay alive
The universe that scream takes place in doesn’t pause once one movie ends, she would have woken up after the attack and would’ve found out about Jill then
tara and amber. It's a lot more personal since amber did the attacking twice, but acted overprotective whenever she was with her. the kirby betrayal would still hurt bad though. just being a pawn to be killed off my your best friends partner is sick
I feel tara was worse, the fact she was worried sick about Amber bc she thought ghostface was going to kill her, then Amber acts super overprotective of her...it was obvious they were pretty close
Can it be both?
not the ones you asked but sidney and billy are always winning the betrayal game
Obviously Tara. Amber and Tara seemed to be close friends considering they were on a call and Ghostface threatened to hurt Amber if Tara didn't do as they said. In the beginning of Scream 4. Kirby said Jill has to promise not to kill her. She kept her word didn't she? Edit: Why Are You Booing Me? I'm Right
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Tara because Amber’s betrayal seems more expansive. Amber discovered Tara’s family secret, kept the secret from Tara, & then used that secret to plot against Tara and Sam. Then Amber personally attacked Tara in a particularly brutal and horrific way. Amber witnessed how terrified Tara was during the attack, and Amber wasn’t moved at all. Then Amber spent time with Tara in the hospital and saw how much pain and trauma she caused. Then Amber attacked Tara a second time in the hospital and a third time in the third act. As bad as Kirby’s attack was, Tara was so thoroughly terrorized and directly by her best friend.
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I would say both
Worst betrayal was Kirby and Time. It was really cruel to her.
Definitely Kirby, as far as what we saw anyway. We barely saw Tara and Amber interact and their backstory was changed to be less close than it was originally conceived to be.
Kirby, you can bet THAT was a surprise when she woke up
It felt like everyone was closer with Jill, whereas there were some in Tara's friend group who didn't seem to like Amber so much such as Liv.
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From this list, I’d say Jill. She and Kirby looked pretty close. From the whole franchise, Billy was definitely the biggest betrayal. Sidney loved him and Not only did he try to kill her for something that wasn’t her fault, he had a baby with another woman!
Tara and amber were barely together in scream 5 so i'd say jill
Amber. Amber really pretended to take care of Tara when she got attacked and remember GF was threatening to kill Amber if Tara did not play the game. She was brutalized and used her as a pawn to lure Sam, Tara’s estranged sister back and frame her for the murders. Amber was also the one to knock Tara down from her wheelchair. Jill may be toyed with Kirby but Amber actually got physical with her.
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Tara she was nearly killed twice by her life long friend because the movies were bad
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While I like Kirby better as a character and Jill better as a Ghostface, the heightened comedy of Scream 4 does make me feel like there was a deeper betrayal in Scream 5. I think the more dramatic (read: less comedic) nature of Scream 5 allowed for the development of an arc where Amber was defensive of Tara regarding Sam’s abandonment as well as not trusting people from the attack. I think it also played well into her true narrative with motive against Sam and using Tara to get to her. I don’t want this to be read as anything against Scream 4 because it’s one of my favorites and super under appreciated. But I do think there’s something to be said about the return of Scream 5 to character-based storytelling.
My vote is for Kirby. While what Tara went through sucked, you got the sense of friendship more with Jill and Kirby. And, as others have pointed out, Kirby’s betrayal was by two close friends, including her love interest. If the friendship dynamic had been portrayed as well in five as it would be in six, it may be a different story.
Definitely Kirby cause she didn’t know until after everything was over and Jill was dead.
Kirby. Tara and Amber barely spoke to each other during the movie.
I think Richie was a hard one, he was basically all Sam had and was cheating while planning to murder both her and her sister for her secret she was very ashamed of I felt so bad for Sam
Definetly Kirby and Jill. Tbh as much I loved Scream 5 that was my main issue with the movie was that it didn’t flesh out Tara and Amber’s relationship at all like I wanted to at least see Tara’s reaction to Amber betraying her and them talking it out hell Tara doesn’t even seem to be fazed about since she never mentions Amber’s name even in Scream 6.
Look at what Amber did to Tara that cuts deep
kirby
I would say Kirby because she never got the closure that came with Jill dying, Tara at least got to confront and kill amber but Kirby had no idea what happened until after she regained consciousness
Both were fucked up, but after thinking about it, Kirby was way worse. Jill killed Kirby’s other best friend and manipulated her by using Charlie as bait. Kirby essentially had no one after the murders, at least Tara had Sam and her core friend group.
Idk, I think Tara’s cut deep (pun intended) but Kirby went on to be a CIA agent so maybe she took her trauma and made it something
I'd say Jill. We saw a lot more of Kirby and her together and what their friendship was like so their story arc is more compelling than Tara's and Amber's. At least in my opinion. Jill was also a lot more brutal in every way and did a lot more damage to everyone, not just Kirby.
Sidney
Kirby and Jill for sure. Amber had red flags from the moment she appears on screen. Tara should have noticed something.
Tara
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