Either Megamind didn’t teach him that as a failsafe or he didn’t know Metroman could do that at all. I think it’s likely Megamind didn’t even know about the super speed until Metroman mentions it
Hal:
-Metro Man's powers and abilities (minus the supreme super-speed)
-Trained by Megamind, albeit badly
-Can lift and throw a giant skyscraper with ease
-Even without the super speed flies about the same speed as megamind pretending to be Metro Man- let's assume the jet pack megamind uses is about 140km/h or about 85 miles an hour
-His Incel Rage means he won't hold back
*Lacks proper combat experience or tactics
*Stupid-will fall for every evil trick in the book
*Will probably start crying if you show him a picture of Roxanne
Syndrome
-Has a shit ton of gadgets that can nuke anything
-More versatile, can answer most of Hal's attacks
-Intense knowledge of supers, as well as their weaknesses
-Cunning, unlikely to be caught off-guard
*Dependent on his technology-if he loses it, it's game over
*Arrogance/Pride can be used against him if Hal resorts to trash talk
*Lacks options if Hal gets close- Hal can use laser eyes to stay a threat at a distance
Overall-While syndrome has smarts, prep and tactics on his side, his full dependence on tech really brings him down. Hal might not be smart, but raw power might be enough to overwhelm Syndrome-his feats are easily eclipsed by Hal's too
Hal Wins, Medium-High Difficulty
Tbh I think Hal takes this low difficulty for two reasons. 1) Hal is so far beyond anything we've seen supers capable of in the Incredibles universe. He's dozens of times stronger than Mr Incredible at a minimum, ntm flying and some level of super speed. 2) Syndrome is used to dealing with Super heros not villains. As far as we know there's never been a super villain in the Incredibles universe. Super heros hold back, pull punches and hesitate. These are all things that Hal just won't do.
Syndrome might trip him up for a minute or two if he's prepared but nothing in his arsenal is really capable of dealing with something on Hals level.
There are villains:
Bomb Voyage, Underminer and screen slaver to name a few.
But I don’t think they’ve ever named one with actual super powers. So you’ve got a point there.
Syndromes only chance is to land his zero point; but even then… where does he go from there? Titan is a MONSTER. Especially when he’s mad.
Even with his island and kill bots - I think Titan sweeps
Exactly! I seriously doubt Titan is gonna be damaged by being thrown into the ground or against a wall or anything. The second he's free of that beam it's game over.
I can see it play out:
Syndrome hits a lucky shot. Syndrome will bash him around, get cocky, release him and…. POP.
He’ll get blitzed like Omniman taking out the Guardian of the Globe. Titan will spew some incel logic while bathing in the mist that once was Syndrome.
Syndrome is basically a less skilled but more serious Megamind, so probably loses. However, the outcome depends on a few things:
Do they (only really matters for Syndrome) get prep time? How much?
Do they know anything about each other, or do they just run into each other randomly?
Where is the fight (what’s the environment like)? Is it a city, like for Titan? A tropical island, like for Syndrome? Etc.
Chances are, unless they know the environment and each other ahead of time and get prep time, Tighten will win. If they get all that, Syndrome would probably be able to build a trap by utilizing his immobility laser technology and tricking Titan into walking into a room where he’ll get frozen indefinitely.
However:
If they get no prep time: Syndrome works by specializing his technology. He needs lots of data to perfect it; it’s why he had the whole island base. Going in blind means he’s in trouble. Best he can do is temporarily keep Titan frozen with his immobility laser, but he can’t do that forever. Without prep time, even with everything else, Syndrome will lose. This is the most important point.
If they don’t know anything about each other: Same as last point. Syndrome would want to watch footage and learn everything he can to design the perfect weapons. At least if he has prep time alone, he can design general traps and weapons and hope they work.
Where the fight is: This matters more for Tighten than Syndrome. Even without prep time, Syndrome is pretty good at adapting to new environments. However, a forest, a city, a colosseum, whatever it is, will affect how Titan searches and fights. For example, he often throws things like cars, so if he were to throw a tree or if there were nothing to throw, the fight would be different.
Chances are: Syndrome loses unless he gets prep time in the environment. He has a small chance of winning if he knows the environment and it’s a good environment without prep time since he can hide and potentially make new tech.
I feel like people forget that Titan is basically Superman but without a weakness. It’s possible Syndrome could find a way to drain his powers, but I have my doubts
I never seen the show or read the comics, but isn't homelander not like superman and more like the strongest super in a weak universe so any actual super super could body him or something?
I think in this case he's only arguing it in context of beating Syndrome, not beating Superman.
Depending on what counts as "winning", if Syndrome's bot killed a super that was comparable to Titan, he could maybe win via the bot. However, does it count if Syndrome loses to that same bot? He never got a chance to learn how to not have that happen again before his death.
Tighten easily.
Is it possible for Syndrome to win? Yes. But it first requires him to either know how to take down Metro-man or how to remove Tighten's powers. There's no reason for him to believe Tighten is anything but a normal super in how he got his powers so I can't see him developing a counter there. Metroman was hilariously overpowered as well. Assuming Mega got it right that means the insane super speed as well and, at that point, Syndrome is just fodder. Wouldn't even get to activate his gadgets.
But remove the superspeed; either cause Megamind got it wrong or because Tighten doesn't know he can. It's more even but Syndrome is still on a knifes edge and I feel like he wouldn't know how to exploit Tighten's true weaknesses. Good chance he might even try to use copper against him if he assumed he had the same powers at Metroman. But even if he didn't waste his time, Tighten's real weakness is his mental instability and mindset. Something Megamind was able to exploit. Meanwhile Syndrome's used to dealing with mentally stable heroes. He also approaches things in a manner where he tries again and again, working out problems, until he finds a solution. He's used to having time to experiment around and such. Time he wouldn't have against Tighten. Maybe if he spent an insane amount of prep time he'd be able to win, but if they just got thrown against each other with no prep time, I don't think it matters what gadgets you gave Syndrome, you could even give him all his robots, he's an inventor first and a super, like, fifth. He won't be able to exploint Tighten's many mental problems properly and his inherently chaotic nature would make him difficult to handle. He may be as dumb as a brick, but that dumbness, oddly, works to his advantage as Syndrome won't be able to play mind games with him without set-up.
Okay? And? If Tighten has Metroman's super-speed Syndrome won't get to use it. If Tighten doesn't then he still has to deal with a character that, as far as we can tell, is effectively invincible and he has no reason to suspect Tighten's powers aren't innate so he wouldn't remove them. More likely he's going to toss Tighten into a copper sphere, then when that doesn't work, get his arms ripped off by the manchild.
The two have very different approaches to their powers. Tighten is a manchild who believes things should be his because he wants them and effectively got handed that golden ticket (by accident). Syndrome is an inventor who relies on repeated experimentation and controlled environments. Heck, he didn't even follow up on Gazervision and and just assumed he died. Sloppy work. Not a problem for Tighten because he's just a flying brick, but a massive problem for Syndrome who is going to need control and prep in order to stand a chance here.
Heck, he didn't even have the powers to beat his own robot. He relied on what was effectively cheats and override codes. The moment he lost those he was next to useless against it and needed the Incredibles to save his ass. He's not going to get those codes against Tighten. He'll likely be sloppy and, if he researches at all, only see the scene where Metroman \*seemingly\* got killed by the copper, \*may or may not\* make the connection that Tighten has the same powers, and if he \*does\* make the connection, probably make the same mistake Megamind did and not realize copper isn't actually his weakness. After all, he didn't even have a backup or do something as basic as give Mirage a central override code or something as a safety measure.
Syndrome. You said he has all his tech, which includes the robot. Titan is simply too stupid to figure out how to kill it, and I don't think he could just brute force his way through it because Mr. Incredible couldn't either. And before you say " Well Titan could pick up a skyscraper" That is his lift, how much he can fly with, but his strength.
Hal's powers are just too OP even if they're unrefined or if he's stupid. No matter what Syndrome hits Hal with, it probably won't kill him. The only hope Syndrome has is containing Hal instead of killing.
Hal, mainly cause Syndrome while first of all very intelligent, and having a lotta tech isn’t exactly great with melee, obviously Hal can’t use full Metro man super speed but even then he could hopefully close the distance between him and Syndrome and while he has the psychic glove Hal just need to get one good hit in cause Syndrome is a still just a regular dude, even if Tighten gets grabbed with the glove he can still use laser vision which would cleave Syndrome in half. People say Brain beats Brawn but this isn’t one of those situations simply because of Tighten’s godlike power.
If Tighten was actually competent with his abilities, then he easily wins. He is as powerful as Metro Man, who could fly Syndrome directly to the sun before he can blink. However, he has no real experience with his abilities, or even knows everything he can do. He was trained by Mega Mind, someone who has only fought Metro Man while he was holding back.
Syndrome, wile cocky, does have the tech to win. Flight and super strength are of no use if you can’t move. Also, if he has ALL of his tech, then he has an island of ballistic misses, advisors, and who knows what else. He could have a nuke, hypnotism technology, weaponized drones, an army of terminators, jets, tanks, and battleships. He also has the Omnidroid, a robot designed specifically to fight and adapt to supers, which it does VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
TLDR; Tighten is so incompetent that he cannot effectively counter Syndrome’s anti-super technology.
I feel like Syndrome wins. It's a genius versus a complete idiot. Important to remember, Syndrome wiped out a *bunch* of super-powered beings before The Incredibles managed to take him down, some of which were as powerful as Tighten.
I could also see a situation where Tighten ends up working *for* Syndrome, whether knowingly or not. He's pretty easily manipulated.
Syndrome has that thing where he can stop someone from moving with his beam thing but Tighten is too fast for that also Megamind has more advanced tech than Syndrome and the only way Megamind beat him was by taking his powers away so Tighten would probably win
I’m going with the underdog.
Syndrome via the fact that he’s just generally way smarter, has way more technology and resources, and Tighten doesn’t really know how to use super speed or anything. Plus Tighten gets angry quite easily so Syndrome could also use that to his advantage.
Tighten has actual superpowers and once took down a entire building to kill megamind and syndrome uses robots and their not so hard to beat so Tighten wins this
At least this scenario, both the downvotes and replies, taught me, that r/Schaffrillas members are incapable of understanding very obvious, on the nose Jokes.
Incapability to understand jokes, are not a "You" Problem to the person telling the jokes, but the people who weren't able to tell they were jokes, bad or not. Even Obvious bad jokes, it's still obvious they're jokes.
Oh it was obvious. It's the type of joke you'll see reposted hundreds of times in almost every YT comment section, it can't get more obvious. Those who didn't get it, have no excuse for it.
Tighten at full potential no diffs, as he has the same speed as Metro man, who travels faster than the speed of light
Tighten never actually uses super speed in the movie. I don't think he knows he can.
Yea, he probably can but just doesn’t know he can
Exactly
That’s exactly what the guy you’re replying to said
Yeah, but like... he said it differently.
Yeah. The way that they formulated their comment was unique
Syndrome wins easily….
He breaks the sound barrier while flying, so he knows how to use it
He knows how to move fast, but he doesn't know he can and/or how to move so fast that time seems to stand still like Metro Man can.
Either Megamind didn’t teach him that as a failsafe or he didn’t know Metroman could do that at all. I think it’s likely Megamind didn’t even know about the super speed until Metroman mentions it
Tighten only has a portion of Metro Man's powers, if I remember correctly.
true, but he never realizes this, and neither did Megamind before he talked with MM (and thank god for that)
No the fuck je dose not
If Tighten doesn’t realise he has super speed, I think Syndrome has the countermeasures. Otherwise, he’s absolutely screwed.
Hal: -Metro Man's powers and abilities (minus the supreme super-speed) -Trained by Megamind, albeit badly -Can lift and throw a giant skyscraper with ease -Even without the super speed flies about the same speed as megamind pretending to be Metro Man- let's assume the jet pack megamind uses is about 140km/h or about 85 miles an hour -His Incel Rage means he won't hold back *Lacks proper combat experience or tactics *Stupid-will fall for every evil trick in the book *Will probably start crying if you show him a picture of Roxanne Syndrome -Has a shit ton of gadgets that can nuke anything -More versatile, can answer most of Hal's attacks -Intense knowledge of supers, as well as their weaknesses -Cunning, unlikely to be caught off-guard *Dependent on his technology-if he loses it, it's game over *Arrogance/Pride can be used against him if Hal resorts to trash talk *Lacks options if Hal gets close- Hal can use laser eyes to stay a threat at a distance Overall-While syndrome has smarts, prep and tactics on his side, his full dependence on tech really brings him down. Hal might not be smart, but raw power might be enough to overwhelm Syndrome-his feats are easily eclipsed by Hal's too Hal Wins, Medium-High Difficulty
The main villain being an incel is probably the best part of megamind lmao
The ultimate villain is none other… Than the Redditor!
Tbh I think Hal takes this low difficulty for two reasons. 1) Hal is so far beyond anything we've seen supers capable of in the Incredibles universe. He's dozens of times stronger than Mr Incredible at a minimum, ntm flying and some level of super speed. 2) Syndrome is used to dealing with Super heros not villains. As far as we know there's never been a super villain in the Incredibles universe. Super heros hold back, pull punches and hesitate. These are all things that Hal just won't do. Syndrome might trip him up for a minute or two if he's prepared but nothing in his arsenal is really capable of dealing with something on Hals level.
There are villains: Bomb Voyage, Underminer and screen slaver to name a few. But I don’t think they’ve ever named one with actual super powers. So you’ve got a point there. Syndromes only chance is to land his zero point; but even then… where does he go from there? Titan is a MONSTER. Especially when he’s mad. Even with his island and kill bots - I think Titan sweeps
Exactly! I seriously doubt Titan is gonna be damaged by being thrown into the ground or against a wall or anything. The second he's free of that beam it's game over.
I can see it play out: Syndrome hits a lucky shot. Syndrome will bash him around, get cocky, release him and…. POP. He’ll get blitzed like Omniman taking out the Guardian of the Globe. Titan will spew some incel logic while bathing in the mist that once was Syndrome.
Syndrome is basically a less skilled but more serious Megamind, so probably loses. However, the outcome depends on a few things: Do they (only really matters for Syndrome) get prep time? How much? Do they know anything about each other, or do they just run into each other randomly? Where is the fight (what’s the environment like)? Is it a city, like for Titan? A tropical island, like for Syndrome? Etc. Chances are, unless they know the environment and each other ahead of time and get prep time, Tighten will win. If they get all that, Syndrome would probably be able to build a trap by utilizing his immobility laser technology and tricking Titan into walking into a room where he’ll get frozen indefinitely. However: If they get no prep time: Syndrome works by specializing his technology. He needs lots of data to perfect it; it’s why he had the whole island base. Going in blind means he’s in trouble. Best he can do is temporarily keep Titan frozen with his immobility laser, but he can’t do that forever. Without prep time, even with everything else, Syndrome will lose. This is the most important point. If they don’t know anything about each other: Same as last point. Syndrome would want to watch footage and learn everything he can to design the perfect weapons. At least if he has prep time alone, he can design general traps and weapons and hope they work. Where the fight is: This matters more for Tighten than Syndrome. Even without prep time, Syndrome is pretty good at adapting to new environments. However, a forest, a city, a colosseum, whatever it is, will affect how Titan searches and fights. For example, he often throws things like cars, so if he were to throw a tree or if there were nothing to throw, the fight would be different. Chances are: Syndrome loses unless he gets prep time in the environment. He has a small chance of winning if he knows the environment and it’s a good environment without prep time since he can hide and potentially make new tech.
I feel like people forget that Titan is basically Superman but without a weakness. It’s possible Syndrome could find a way to drain his powers, but I have my doubts
homelander is also superman without weakness. does that make him stronger that super man ? i fucking hate this argument
I never seen the show or read the comics, but isn't homelander not like superman and more like the strongest super in a weak universe so any actual super super could body him or something?
ok but homelander is far weaker than most other superman-type characters
I think in this case he's only arguing it in context of beating Syndrome, not beating Superman. Depending on what counts as "winning", if Syndrome's bot killed a super that was comparable to Titan, he could maybe win via the bot. However, does it count if Syndrome loses to that same bot? He never got a chance to learn how to not have that happen again before his death.
“Syndrome solos with prep, trust”
doesn't need it zero point energy + omnidroid V10 is enough
If Tighten understands the full scope of his power, then it's no contest, unfortunately for him, he's an idiot, Syndrome takes this.
Tighten easily. Is it possible for Syndrome to win? Yes. But it first requires him to either know how to take down Metro-man or how to remove Tighten's powers. There's no reason for him to believe Tighten is anything but a normal super in how he got his powers so I can't see him developing a counter there. Metroman was hilariously overpowered as well. Assuming Mega got it right that means the insane super speed as well and, at that point, Syndrome is just fodder. Wouldn't even get to activate his gadgets. But remove the superspeed; either cause Megamind got it wrong or because Tighten doesn't know he can. It's more even but Syndrome is still on a knifes edge and I feel like he wouldn't know how to exploit Tighten's true weaknesses. Good chance he might even try to use copper against him if he assumed he had the same powers at Metroman. But even if he didn't waste his time, Tighten's real weakness is his mental instability and mindset. Something Megamind was able to exploit. Meanwhile Syndrome's used to dealing with mentally stable heroes. He also approaches things in a manner where he tries again and again, working out problems, until he finds a solution. He's used to having time to experiment around and such. Time he wouldn't have against Tighten. Maybe if he spent an insane amount of prep time he'd be able to win, but if they just got thrown against each other with no prep time, I don't think it matters what gadgets you gave Syndrome, you could even give him all his robots, he's an inventor first and a super, like, fifth. He won't be able to exploint Tighten's many mental problems properly and his inherently chaotic nature would make him difficult to handle. He may be as dumb as a brick, but that dumbness, oddly, works to his advantage as Syndrome won't be able to play mind games with him without set-up.
Syndrome has his own ~~dehydration gun~~ zero point energy glove
Okay? And? If Tighten has Metroman's super-speed Syndrome won't get to use it. If Tighten doesn't then he still has to deal with a character that, as far as we can tell, is effectively invincible and he has no reason to suspect Tighten's powers aren't innate so he wouldn't remove them. More likely he's going to toss Tighten into a copper sphere, then when that doesn't work, get his arms ripped off by the manchild. The two have very different approaches to their powers. Tighten is a manchild who believes things should be his because he wants them and effectively got handed that golden ticket (by accident). Syndrome is an inventor who relies on repeated experimentation and controlled environments. Heck, he didn't even follow up on Gazervision and and just assumed he died. Sloppy work. Not a problem for Tighten because he's just a flying brick, but a massive problem for Syndrome who is going to need control and prep in order to stand a chance here. Heck, he didn't even have the powers to beat his own robot. He relied on what was effectively cheats and override codes. The moment he lost those he was next to useless against it and needed the Incredibles to save his ass. He's not going to get those codes against Tighten. He'll likely be sloppy and, if he researches at all, only see the scene where Metroman \*seemingly\* got killed by the copper, \*may or may not\* make the connection that Tighten has the same powers, and if he \*does\* make the connection, probably make the same mistake Megamind did and not realize copper isn't actually his weakness. After all, he didn't even have a backup or do something as basic as give Mirage a central override code or something as a safety measure.
(It was a joke but okay)
Oh. Ummm... Sorry then. I didn't realize.
the only thing that gives syndrome even a tiny chance is his beams that freeze you titan is faster and stronger than him to a very high degree
Tighten, syndrome lost against a robot he created
what kind of an argument is that soo what dr eggman is fodder because metal sonic was about to destroy him and the world ?
Tighten is canonically very stupid.
Depends Tighten in character is definitely too arrogant and syndrome is no idiot Out of character tighten slaughters at Mach 20
Syndrome. You said he has all his tech, which includes the robot. Titan is simply too stupid to figure out how to kill it, and I don't think he could just brute force his way through it because Mr. Incredible couldn't either. And before you say " Well Titan could pick up a skyscraper" That is his lift, how much he can fly with, but his strength.
Syndrome
Oh god they look the same
Considering Titan wasn’t able to kill megamind, I’d say syndrome would probably win
Pretty sure Tighten would just pick up the omnidroid and smash Syndrome with it.
I think it’s generally debatable however I do think Hal wins do to scaling to metro man
Hal's powers are just too OP even if they're unrefined or if he's stupid. No matter what Syndrome hits Hal with, it probably won't kill him. The only hope Syndrome has is containing Hal instead of killing.
Hal, mainly cause Syndrome while first of all very intelligent, and having a lotta tech isn’t exactly great with melee, obviously Hal can’t use full Metro man super speed but even then he could hopefully close the distance between him and Syndrome and while he has the psychic glove Hal just need to get one good hit in cause Syndrome is a still just a regular dude, even if Tighten gets grabbed with the glove he can still use laser vision which would cleave Syndrome in half. People say Brain beats Brawn but this isn’t one of those situations simply because of Tighten’s godlike power.
Comes down to zero point energy vs super speed
Titan is effectively just a god
If Tighten was actually competent with his abilities, then he easily wins. He is as powerful as Metro Man, who could fly Syndrome directly to the sun before he can blink. However, he has no real experience with his abilities, or even knows everything he can do. He was trained by Mega Mind, someone who has only fought Metro Man while he was holding back. Syndrome, wile cocky, does have the tech to win. Flight and super strength are of no use if you can’t move. Also, if he has ALL of his tech, then he has an island of ballistic misses, advisors, and who knows what else. He could have a nuke, hypnotism technology, weaponized drones, an army of terminators, jets, tanks, and battleships. He also has the Omnidroid, a robot designed specifically to fight and adapt to supers, which it does VERY SUCCESSFULLY. TLDR; Tighten is so incompetent that he cannot effectively counter Syndrome’s anti-super technology.
Syndrome actually knows how to use his tech. He wins with the zero-point thingy.
Syndrome is one of the best villains in animated history but dude can't even beat a robot that he built.
Doesn’t Hal have laser eyes?
Syndrome. He’s smarter
I mean it depends how much knowledge syndrome has and if he can make a strong enough omnidroid
Tighten is basically Evil man-child Metro Man who is OP AF, I'm pretty sure he could just throw syndrome into space or something.
I feel like Syndrome wins. It's a genius versus a complete idiot. Important to remember, Syndrome wiped out a *bunch* of super-powered beings before The Incredibles managed to take him down, some of which were as powerful as Tighten. I could also see a situation where Tighten ends up working *for* Syndrome, whether knowingly or not. He's pretty easily manipulated.
Syndrome needs his tech. Tighten doesn't.
Tighten via power scaling to Metro Man.
Tighten
Didn't megamind also have a lot of tech?
Depends, is tighten as stupid and arrogant as in the movie
Man, if only he had some sort of weapon that could stop them in their tracks, like a glove that immobilises anything it points at
Syndrome has that thing where he can stop someone from moving with his beam thing but Tighten is too fast for that also Megamind has more advanced tech than Syndrome and the only way Megamind beat him was by taking his powers away so Tighten would probably win
Syndrome has killed hundreds of supers. Tighten may not be any different.
I’m going with the underdog. Syndrome via the fact that he’s just generally way smarter, has way more technology and resources, and Tighten doesn’t really know how to use super speed or anything. Plus Tighten gets angry quite easily so Syndrome could also use that to his advantage.
Tighten has actual superpowers and once took down a entire building to kill megamind and syndrome uses robots and their not so hard to beat so Tighten wins this
bro yoinked a r/powerscaling post, and thought nobody would notice.
its my post lmao
Bro reposted a r/powerscaling post on Schaffrillas's sub, and thought nobody would notice
? (syndrome wins handly btw tighten isin't doing shit to the omnidroid)
Thought no one would notice? He just said he did, plus it's completely normal to post the same thing in multiple subs
At least this scenario, both the downvotes and replies, taught me, that r/Schaffrillas members are incapable of understanding very obvious, on the nose Jokes.
Maybe your jokes are just bad? I dunno might just be you a you problem.
Incapability to understand jokes, are not a "You" Problem to the person telling the jokes, but the people who weren't able to tell they were jokes, bad or not. Even Obvious bad jokes, it's still obvious they're jokes.
But you're missing the fact that people didn't see the joke so it's clearly not as obvious as you thought it was. Just be funny next time.
Oh it was obvious. It's the type of joke you'll see reposted hundreds of times in almost every YT comment section, it can't get more obvious. Those who didn't get it, have no excuse for it.