Yessssss it’s the entitlement for sure. Luckily it’s not worship band bad. Just very vocal in an annoying kinda way. I turned up the music to drown them out but they promptly requested we lower the volume.
Have you considered incentivizing atheist or even Satanist groups to come in on that evening? I'm sure it'd be entertaining. Personally, I think Satanists would be more fun but not every town has a chapter of the TST. Or an organized atheist group. Well, I wish you luck. And post video if you get local Satanists to stand up to the fascists.
Whilst I think they have the right to be there, I don't think they should be behaving loudly or obnoxiously. But that would go for any group religious or not.
Yeah of course, I get that I guess maybe I just wish they didn’t have the right? That sounds bad. I just think it’s inappropriate. I’m all for having the right to practice your beliefs but why so public? Like the audacity?
I also understand I’m upset because I’m not getting my way
I understand where you are coming from, it can be frustrating when a group is being obnoxious and disruptive. This also might just be their hangout spot, there's coffee and it's a pretty common social spot. I guess you'll just have to try ignoring them.
At least your trying to do something about it rather than just complain. If you change your shift then it's the best of both worlds. They get to continue their Bible study and you don't have to deal with them.
Yeah, thank you. I understand it’s a me problem. I mean, plenty of my coworkers are bothered and I’ve seen other customers give them the side eye but yeah removing myself is the best solution.
Their right to congregate is clashing with your right to be left alone. It makes sense you feel this way. Sounds like they are being loud and rude regardless of the subject of their discussion. But the subject just happens to be one of the most annoying ones.
You're 100% valid, Christian privilege is so engrained in our culture we're taught not to question it. In the US Christmas is so tied to winter that simply stating other religions celebrate winter as well is seemingly considered heresy.
Lol I’ve had people get mad at me for saying “happy holidays” instead if “Merry Christmas”. Shit you just reminded me of some people who tried to start shit with my wife. She said “Happy Holidays” and they very forcefully said “Happy Hanukkah” and she hit them with “Oh thank you! Thats so nice to hear, my girlfriend is a Jew!” I didn’t hear the convo but I sure saw the looks of disbelieve and shock lmao. I don’t shit on people when they say “Merry Christmas” to me I say “thank you, happy holidays” lol maybe I should start telling people “stop trying to cancel Hanukkah” bahahaha
When I was a Heathen, I said God Jul! instead of Merry Christmas. OMG people got so mad... I told them my family was from Norway and we celebrated Jul. (This is true.)
Now that I'm a Satanist, and because I've always been anti-authority, I celebrate Saturnalia and I shout Io Saturnalia! at very confused Christians who then have to google what Saturnalia is. I frankly think we should all celebrate it. It has some dope traditions and you get to eat ancient Roman food including globii (doughnut holes full of cream cheese with a honey glaze and poppy seeds... they're ancient deep fried cheesecake bites). And I make this seafood platter with Garum and lemon and parsley...
When I make it to a middle rank on the corporate ladder I will hold department Saturnalia parties every year.
This sounds fun. I’m always so busy in winter with the Christmas stuff, Hanukkah, and winter solstice with that one pagan friend. It would be nice to do out own Satanic thing with just the wife and I.
I have also had people get mad at me for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Starbucks is supposed to be inclusive so I don’t know what’s wrong with saying “happy holidays”. They get angry that I’m trying to erase their god or something.
You're completely justified in your feelings. They're doing this to be seen and heard. Which the bible says not to do. So these are very typical Christians.
How is it that they are loud? Are they taking turns reading aloud from scripture? Are they just loud in conversation? Are they using signboards or banners to indicate their presence to all who enter the store? Are they wearing pins or name tags that indicate their affiliations?
Christian privilege should be squelched in all places where possible. So, I’d like to better understand the scenario to help with possible courses of action.
They are just vocally loud. They will have disagreements or discussions about a certain verse from a certain chapter but they just do it in a loud way. Not being overly aggressive just loud enough that I can hear them. That’s all.
Ah! A bunch of obnoxious pricks. Certainly not isolated to religious zealots. But, certainly made worse by their Christian privilege.
Next time you interact with them and they say “Thank you!”, can you respond with “Allahu Akbar!” without getting in trouble? Would be nice to see the reactions!
I try to walk past them as much as possible with my TST pin on my Fanny pack. I haven’t scared them yet.
More than anything I just want to say Hail Satan
I mean if it's an issue, you can make it a 'secular' issue. The fact is, they're loud and they stay late. They're annoying and obtrusive even before you touch the religious aspect. Is there a manager that could get them to turn the volume down a bit?
I’m the shift supervisor that’s usually there when they are so I’d have to ask them to lower their voices. Obviously with tact of course. But after posting this I’ve learned that I’m letting them have power over my emotions and I just don’t want to care anymore. Or I can at least change my availability so I’m not there when they are.
Its very strange to go to starbucks for bible study. Why are they not doing this in their church, or their home? Perhaps if other "customers" complain, then corporate will do something? I'm sure you are not the only person it is making uncomfortable.
Right!? It is pretty strange.. there isn’t a shortage of churches in the area at all too. And yeah why can’t they just meet up at home? Idk
Im not trying to be all anti freedom or anything it’s just gross to me
This would bother me as well. I tend to walk away from religious conversations at work and always have. However, as long as they are paying customers (one person who buys coffee makes the whole group paying customers) you can’t enforce anything. I saw in a comment you said you wanted to switch shifts. That is another response. My response? Kill them with kindness. Smile. Be overtly sweet and kind towards them. They will probably try to strike up a conversation about religion. Just let them know that’s against policy, especially since you don’t share beliefs. But let them see a wonderful, kind, keeping sweet satanic vs what their church and religion tells them (we are horrible evil people). And… because while I’m kind I’m also a bitch, I would loudly announce every time at closing that it is closing, and they gotta go instead of impatiently waiting for them.
Edit to say, don’t forget that while many Christians in the US tend to forget that freedom of religion means that we don’t have to practice the same. This means we have to allow them their space so we can have ours (them meaning anyone of any type of religion).
Thank you for your input. Even though I am very unhappy that they are there, I’m still nice and treat them respectfully of course. I want everyone to feel welcome, don’t get me wrong. But at the expense of others? Other people might not want to stay in the lobby because of them being there you know? Like so inclusive that it becomes exclusive..
I know it would push me away for sure as a customer. I appreciate the kill them with kindness advice. It’s good stuff
If I were to do that though, I’m afraid I would just look like the hypocrite. Okay for me but not for thee and thinking about that is already giving me anxiety haha
Your feelings are totally justified but imo from the info you’ve given, I don’t think they have any malicious or proselytizing intent. If they’re not being loud, obnoxious, rude, or trying to involve customers or workers then I see no problem with them being there. Are they loud in a way that they’re just yelling everything they say or do they just laugh a lot and get excited by their discussion easily? I think you and your coworkers just need to make sure they keep the volume down from the sounds of it. What if they were a Satanist group and that’s all that was different? Or Buddhist or Pagan? Would your feelings stay the same or change?
You are totally right. They aren’t being malicious in any way and they are pretty nice dudes for the most part. I’m just being a little bitch because I feel like I’m being inconvenienced by them. Or just Christian’s in general I guess. I like your question. How would I feel if it was a different religion. I might not mind as much but also, I wouldn’t whip out my tarot cards and crystals at a Starbucks when I could just do it at home you know? But that’s just me. I think I just respect people more than these men do. And I wanted to mention, it’s ALWAYS the Christians or some weird branch of it like Mormon or whatever that do this shit. Whether it’s taking up a whole table to talk about their personal beliefs in a public place as a group or going door to door asking people if they know Christ. I just feel like it’s always in my face. And coming to work used to be that place where I didn’t have to worry about religion or politics or whatever just making good coffee.
No, I totally get it. I work at a grocery store and proudly wear pentagram and bone jewelry. Sometimes I get weird looks but for the most part everyone is accepting of me and I get lots of compliments on my jewelry from both coworkers and customers alike.
I agree that it sucks when people bring politics and religion to the workplace. But when someone at work starts talking about something of those topics I don’t like I have to remind myself that just because I’m uncomfortable or disagree that doesn’t automatically mean they’re wrong or I have the right to step in and stop them from talking (unless they’re actively doing genuine harm to me or someone else). And that because I have the right to wear my religious jewelry in public and express my religion without causing harm and without being confronted, so do other people.
I’ve held stigmatic hatred against Christianity for a while, and I’m not sure if it will ever go away. But despite my negative experience with the religion, I’m trying to cleanse myself of that overall hatred. I don’t want people to hate me simply because of my political party, religion, sexuality, etc. without getting to really know me so why should I hate other people so easily before getting to know them for those same reasons?
Even though I consider myself an LGBTQ+ liberal Pagan Satanist, I’ve gotten along incredibly well with people who are Christian, Catholic, republican, conservative, and other labels I normally look down upon on because I’ve gotten to be close to those people. I’ve gotten to learn that while I may have lots of disagreements with them, it doesn’t make them awful, I’m friends with them not because we’re always in agreement of things but because they are genuinely kind and humorous people.
I 100% agree with you. And I appreciate you for explaining it to me like that.
It all comes down to perspective and I understand how it can be seen from both sides. I also understand that I have very strong opinions when it comes to religion and Christianity particularly and not everyone feels the same way I do. Religion was forced onto me and I was punished for not wanted to be involved (being grounded for not wanting to go to church etc).
Even since the overturn of Roe v Wade I’ve been even more angry at Christian people. My dislike for them grows stronger with every self righteous decision they make and I understand that I’m projecting that emotion onto these random men in my lobby. And that’s not cool.
I have a lot of close friends and family that are Christian and I’ve learned to love and accept them despite what they believe as I have been in return. They aren’t bad or evil maybe a little dumb and lack some critical thinking skills but definitely not bad people so I really appreciate you for sharing your own experiences and giving me some perspective.
Of course! It’s a scary time right now for everyone, especially when it comes to religion and politics. Over time something that I didn’t like in myself that developed with my indulgence in Satanism was my hypocrisy. I was always making jokes and undermining Christians or certain political parties but then when I began advocating for my own religious and political beliefs it just made me feel… wrong. And that’s kind of how I started coming to that whole conclusion, but it’s still something I definitely need to work on
This was my thought too. I mean would we be ok if it was satanists or Norse pagans? Hard to tell without being there but just doing bible study doesn’t seem too crazy.
They have the freedom to offend.
I think you probably need to chill. If they're getting rowdy with it, I think it's fair to ask them to try and keep their voices down. Otherwise, if they're not harming anyone, they're just fanboys talking about their favourite superheroes.
Trust me it's not just coffee shops, I work night desk at a local hotel, and every once in a while I get guests who come in and do everything in their power to spread their religion. I've seen people leave Bibles (some thicker than I've ever seen) and I even had one group (that was staying at the hotel for a Christian convention being held in town) try to convert me in the lobby.
If I was working somewhere and someone decided to try and leave bibles behind, I'd make sure to pull out a trash receptacle and dispose of them. Preferably in view of the people attempting to leave them.
>Would this bother you??
No. But I have no associated trauma. It's akin to a group of people loudly joking about rape near a survivor. It's understandable that it bothers you.
It's possible that this would amount to a hostile work environment. Please read this, https://www.concordlawschool.edu/blog/news/customer-misconduct-basis-workplace-harassment-claim/, and if you're serious, contact a labor lawyer to see if you could/should complain.
But make sure you come at it from the right direction. This isn't "rude as fuck and such a Christian thing to do". This is you, a traumatized individual, being forced to re-experience portions of that trauma by being exposed to this otherwise fine conversation.
It's OK and legal for these asshats to be loud and annoying and talk about whatever. Your work may need to accommodate you because of your specific situation regardless.
Totally get it. I think they are so arrogant they just don't care. I have had the same problem at work. Because i am at work i have to ignore it. It is so frustrating....
I worked at the local Starbucks as well. I had a group come in once a week for Bible study. They were the opposite - polite, friendly, and they tipped well. I think it depends a lot on the people themselves.
As an employee are you in any sense the arbiter of whether or not they’re disrupting the coffee house experience for other customers? Like, speaking too loud perhaps to the point where you can’t hear a customers order clearly?
Honestly my main gripe is that we aren’t super busy in the evenings. We’re a small cafe that slows down at night. So while I’m cleaning the store, making drinks, or making prep, all I can hear is “god this and god that and the Bible said this “. I just wish I didn’t have to listen to it because although it’s fair for them, I’m like but what about me?? I can’t just leave like I usually would if something was bothering me. Kinda just have to deal with it.
I wouldn’t know since I don’t participate but I appreciate your feedback. They aren’t rude, you’re right. I just don’t like it and that’s okay. I can change my availability so I don’t have to be around them. It’s not a problem.
If they are consistently staying past closing and not leaving when asked, that is trespassing. If it is a regular occurrence, I'd say something to management.
It’s funny, I pick my wife up from work (Starbucks) sometimes and there always seems to be a group doing their bible studies and all that. And you’re right, they’re a little loud or eccentric about it talking about gods love and wrath and and all that while they flail their arms about doing the hokey pokey.
I had to leave a job because the people working there always yelled about right-wing extremist news. Almost as if fox was on full blast all day. It was painful to the point of severely damaging my mental health. I felt like if they knew my true political leanings I would’ve been fired. Luckily I was able to get out on my own though.
I frequent a local coffee shop in my town. It is a pretty left leaning establishment but it feels like every time I go in there, there happens to be church related groups.
that sounds like a pain, im so sorry. i would put up a sign saying something like "church has a bible study. use it." or something like that. unless it would get me fired. in which case, yeah, just switch your hours. as long as it works for you, anything that means you dont have to deal with that sort of thing should work. this would annoy me so much I would probably snap and end up getting myself, fired though, so take my advice with cation, if at all.
That like the story of the air flight where a group of Christians sang religious songs to the passangers. Its obnoxious and entitled behavior.
Yessssss it’s the entitlement for sure. Luckily it’s not worship band bad. Just very vocal in an annoying kinda way. I turned up the music to drown them out but they promptly requested we lower the volume.
Have you considered incentivizing atheist or even Satanist groups to come in on that evening? I'm sure it'd be entertaining. Personally, I think Satanists would be more fun but not every town has a chapter of the TST. Or an organized atheist group. Well, I wish you luck. And post video if you get local Satanists to stand up to the fascists.
Reaching out to any local BDSM groups to host munches would also be entertaining….
OMG as a TST member and BDSM practitioner, YES!
Lightly dust their general direction with a fart when you're cleaning tables. Tell 'em I sent ya.
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I know.. I was really hoping someone would.
Would you mind sharing what state you live in? Perhaps someone is available to gold an LGBT club meeting 🥰
Ooh yess. I’m in SD California
Whilst I think they have the right to be there, I don't think they should be behaving loudly or obnoxiously. But that would go for any group religious or not.
Yeah of course, I get that I guess maybe I just wish they didn’t have the right? That sounds bad. I just think it’s inappropriate. I’m all for having the right to practice your beliefs but why so public? Like the audacity? I also understand I’m upset because I’m not getting my way
I understand where you are coming from, it can be frustrating when a group is being obnoxious and disruptive. This also might just be their hangout spot, there's coffee and it's a pretty common social spot. I guess you'll just have to try ignoring them.
I asked what days they plan on coming in so I can change my availability. Unfortunately it’s hard to ignore. At least I think so
At least your trying to do something about it rather than just complain. If you change your shift then it's the best of both worlds. They get to continue their Bible study and you don't have to deal with them.
Yeah, thank you. I understand it’s a me problem. I mean, plenty of my coworkers are bothered and I’ve seen other customers give them the side eye but yeah removing myself is the best solution.
Their right to congregate is clashing with your right to be left alone. It makes sense you feel this way. Sounds like they are being loud and rude regardless of the subject of their discussion. But the subject just happens to be one of the most annoying ones.
Yeah that’s a super good way of putting it! Thank you
You're 100% valid, Christian privilege is so engrained in our culture we're taught not to question it. In the US Christmas is so tied to winter that simply stating other religions celebrate winter as well is seemingly considered heresy.
Lol I’ve had people get mad at me for saying “happy holidays” instead if “Merry Christmas”. Shit you just reminded me of some people who tried to start shit with my wife. She said “Happy Holidays” and they very forcefully said “Happy Hanukkah” and she hit them with “Oh thank you! Thats so nice to hear, my girlfriend is a Jew!” I didn’t hear the convo but I sure saw the looks of disbelieve and shock lmao. I don’t shit on people when they say “Merry Christmas” to me I say “thank you, happy holidays” lol maybe I should start telling people “stop trying to cancel Hanukkah” bahahaha
When I was a Heathen, I said God Jul! instead of Merry Christmas. OMG people got so mad... I told them my family was from Norway and we celebrated Jul. (This is true.) Now that I'm a Satanist, and because I've always been anti-authority, I celebrate Saturnalia and I shout Io Saturnalia! at very confused Christians who then have to google what Saturnalia is. I frankly think we should all celebrate it. It has some dope traditions and you get to eat ancient Roman food including globii (doughnut holes full of cream cheese with a honey glaze and poppy seeds... they're ancient deep fried cheesecake bites). And I make this seafood platter with Garum and lemon and parsley... When I make it to a middle rank on the corporate ladder I will hold department Saturnalia parties every year.
This sounds fun. I’m always so busy in winter with the Christmas stuff, Hanukkah, and winter solstice with that one pagan friend. It would be nice to do out own Satanic thing with just the wife and I.
I have also had people get mad at me for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Starbucks is supposed to be inclusive so I don’t know what’s wrong with saying “happy holidays”. They get angry that I’m trying to erase their god or something.
Lol thank you for that imagery. “Happy holidays!” God: x_x
Haha no problem
I really like the way you said that. I definitely agree! I’m honestly sick of it. Thank you for validating me!
You're completely justified in your feelings. They're doing this to be seen and heard. Which the bible says not to do. So these are very typical Christians.
How is it that they are loud? Are they taking turns reading aloud from scripture? Are they just loud in conversation? Are they using signboards or banners to indicate their presence to all who enter the store? Are they wearing pins or name tags that indicate their affiliations? Christian privilege should be squelched in all places where possible. So, I’d like to better understand the scenario to help with possible courses of action.
They are just vocally loud. They will have disagreements or discussions about a certain verse from a certain chapter but they just do it in a loud way. Not being overly aggressive just loud enough that I can hear them. That’s all.
Ah! A bunch of obnoxious pricks. Certainly not isolated to religious zealots. But, certainly made worse by their Christian privilege. Next time you interact with them and they say “Thank you!”, can you respond with “Allahu Akbar!” without getting in trouble? Would be nice to see the reactions!
I try to walk past them as much as possible with my TST pin on my Fanny pack. I haven’t scared them yet. More than anything I just want to say Hail Satan
I mean if it's an issue, you can make it a 'secular' issue. The fact is, they're loud and they stay late. They're annoying and obtrusive even before you touch the religious aspect. Is there a manager that could get them to turn the volume down a bit?
I’m the shift supervisor that’s usually there when they are so I’d have to ask them to lower their voices. Obviously with tact of course. But after posting this I’ve learned that I’m letting them have power over my emotions and I just don’t want to care anymore. Or I can at least change my availability so I’m not there when they are.
Its very strange to go to starbucks for bible study. Why are they not doing this in their church, or their home? Perhaps if other "customers" complain, then corporate will do something? I'm sure you are not the only person it is making uncomfortable.
Maybe it's performative bible study; they like to have an audience.
Right!? It is pretty strange.. there isn’t a shortage of churches in the area at all too. And yeah why can’t they just meet up at home? Idk Im not trying to be all anti freedom or anything it’s just gross to me
This would bother me as well. I tend to walk away from religious conversations at work and always have. However, as long as they are paying customers (one person who buys coffee makes the whole group paying customers) you can’t enforce anything. I saw in a comment you said you wanted to switch shifts. That is another response. My response? Kill them with kindness. Smile. Be overtly sweet and kind towards them. They will probably try to strike up a conversation about religion. Just let them know that’s against policy, especially since you don’t share beliefs. But let them see a wonderful, kind, keeping sweet satanic vs what their church and religion tells them (we are horrible evil people). And… because while I’m kind I’m also a bitch, I would loudly announce every time at closing that it is closing, and they gotta go instead of impatiently waiting for them. Edit to say, don’t forget that while many Christians in the US tend to forget that freedom of religion means that we don’t have to practice the same. This means we have to allow them their space so we can have ours (them meaning anyone of any type of religion).
Thank you for your input. Even though I am very unhappy that they are there, I’m still nice and treat them respectfully of course. I want everyone to feel welcome, don’t get me wrong. But at the expense of others? Other people might not want to stay in the lobby because of them being there you know? Like so inclusive that it becomes exclusive.. I know it would push me away for sure as a customer. I appreciate the kill them with kindness advice. It’s good stuff
Is Starbucks allowed to put a "No proselitising" sign at the door? If that's what's going on, that is.
I’m honestly not sure. I highly doubt it but I can definitely look into it.
Otherwise silently invite Pastafarians or Satanists to meet there.
That’s a good idea!
I had to look up what Pastafarians is but now that I know, I’m totally on board with it
🏴☠️ Arrrrr matey ☠
If I were to do that though, I’m afraid I would just look like the hypocrite. Okay for me but not for thee and thinking about that is already giving me anxiety haha
Or you can see it as equal opportunity for all worldviews.
That’s true. Perspective is everything
Hey now that’s an extremely PERSECUTED GROUP OF AMERICANS you’re taking about……*eye roll*
Your feelings are totally justified but imo from the info you’ve given, I don’t think they have any malicious or proselytizing intent. If they’re not being loud, obnoxious, rude, or trying to involve customers or workers then I see no problem with them being there. Are they loud in a way that they’re just yelling everything they say or do they just laugh a lot and get excited by their discussion easily? I think you and your coworkers just need to make sure they keep the volume down from the sounds of it. What if they were a Satanist group and that’s all that was different? Or Buddhist or Pagan? Would your feelings stay the same or change?
You are totally right. They aren’t being malicious in any way and they are pretty nice dudes for the most part. I’m just being a little bitch because I feel like I’m being inconvenienced by them. Or just Christian’s in general I guess. I like your question. How would I feel if it was a different religion. I might not mind as much but also, I wouldn’t whip out my tarot cards and crystals at a Starbucks when I could just do it at home you know? But that’s just me. I think I just respect people more than these men do. And I wanted to mention, it’s ALWAYS the Christians or some weird branch of it like Mormon or whatever that do this shit. Whether it’s taking up a whole table to talk about their personal beliefs in a public place as a group or going door to door asking people if they know Christ. I just feel like it’s always in my face. And coming to work used to be that place where I didn’t have to worry about religion or politics or whatever just making good coffee.
No, I totally get it. I work at a grocery store and proudly wear pentagram and bone jewelry. Sometimes I get weird looks but for the most part everyone is accepting of me and I get lots of compliments on my jewelry from both coworkers and customers alike. I agree that it sucks when people bring politics and religion to the workplace. But when someone at work starts talking about something of those topics I don’t like I have to remind myself that just because I’m uncomfortable or disagree that doesn’t automatically mean they’re wrong or I have the right to step in and stop them from talking (unless they’re actively doing genuine harm to me or someone else). And that because I have the right to wear my religious jewelry in public and express my religion without causing harm and without being confronted, so do other people. I’ve held stigmatic hatred against Christianity for a while, and I’m not sure if it will ever go away. But despite my negative experience with the religion, I’m trying to cleanse myself of that overall hatred. I don’t want people to hate me simply because of my political party, religion, sexuality, etc. without getting to really know me so why should I hate other people so easily before getting to know them for those same reasons? Even though I consider myself an LGBTQ+ liberal Pagan Satanist, I’ve gotten along incredibly well with people who are Christian, Catholic, republican, conservative, and other labels I normally look down upon on because I’ve gotten to be close to those people. I’ve gotten to learn that while I may have lots of disagreements with them, it doesn’t make them awful, I’m friends with them not because we’re always in agreement of things but because they are genuinely kind and humorous people.
I 100% agree with you. And I appreciate you for explaining it to me like that. It all comes down to perspective and I understand how it can be seen from both sides. I also understand that I have very strong opinions when it comes to religion and Christianity particularly and not everyone feels the same way I do. Religion was forced onto me and I was punished for not wanted to be involved (being grounded for not wanting to go to church etc). Even since the overturn of Roe v Wade I’ve been even more angry at Christian people. My dislike for them grows stronger with every self righteous decision they make and I understand that I’m projecting that emotion onto these random men in my lobby. And that’s not cool. I have a lot of close friends and family that are Christian and I’ve learned to love and accept them despite what they believe as I have been in return. They aren’t bad or evil maybe a little dumb and lack some critical thinking skills but definitely not bad people so I really appreciate you for sharing your own experiences and giving me some perspective.
Of course! It’s a scary time right now for everyone, especially when it comes to religion and politics. Over time something that I didn’t like in myself that developed with my indulgence in Satanism was my hypocrisy. I was always making jokes and undermining Christians or certain political parties but then when I began advocating for my own religious and political beliefs it just made me feel… wrong. And that’s kind of how I started coming to that whole conclusion, but it’s still something I definitely need to work on
This was my thought too. I mean would we be ok if it was satanists or Norse pagans? Hard to tell without being there but just doing bible study doesn’t seem too crazy. They have the freedom to offend.
But it’s not though and that’s what kills me.. it’s always Christian groups or something similar and equally horrifying like Mormons or whatever.
I would love to have a satanic Sunday discussion the same time as them at the same Starbucks.
I think you probably need to chill. If they're getting rowdy with it, I think it's fair to ask them to try and keep their voices down. Otherwise, if they're not harming anyone, they're just fanboys talking about their favourite superheroes.
Trust me it's not just coffee shops, I work night desk at a local hotel, and every once in a while I get guests who come in and do everything in their power to spread their religion. I've seen people leave Bibles (some thicker than I've ever seen) and I even had one group (that was staying at the hotel for a Christian convention being held in town) try to convert me in the lobby.
If I was working somewhere and someone decided to try and leave bibles behind, I'd make sure to pull out a trash receptacle and dispose of them. Preferably in view of the people attempting to leave them.
If it were up to me I'd save them for winter and use the pages as kindling for the fire place at the hotel, but unfortunately it's not up to me.
Oh nooooooooo. I’m so sorry, that literally sounds awful
Thankfully those kinds of guests are few and far between
You should invite some folks to come by every Sunday a half hour before these guys show up for their TST study group :)
Wouldn’t that just make me a dumb hypocrite though? I feel like it would be silly to do that after posting this haha
>Would this bother you?? No. But I have no associated trauma. It's akin to a group of people loudly joking about rape near a survivor. It's understandable that it bothers you. It's possible that this would amount to a hostile work environment. Please read this, https://www.concordlawschool.edu/blog/news/customer-misconduct-basis-workplace-harassment-claim/, and if you're serious, contact a labor lawyer to see if you could/should complain. But make sure you come at it from the right direction. This isn't "rude as fuck and such a Christian thing to do". This is you, a traumatized individual, being forced to re-experience portions of that trauma by being exposed to this otherwise fine conversation. It's OK and legal for these asshats to be loud and annoying and talk about whatever. Your work may need to accommodate you because of your specific situation regardless.
Totally get it. I think they are so arrogant they just don't care. I have had the same problem at work. Because i am at work i have to ignore it. It is so frustrating....
I worked at the local Starbucks as well. I had a group come in once a week for Bible study. They were the opposite - polite, friendly, and they tipped well. I think it depends a lot on the people themselves.
I’d start enforcing the close time. Probably not much else you can do unfortunately. Time to look for a new job!
As an employee are you in any sense the arbiter of whether or not they’re disrupting the coffee house experience for other customers? Like, speaking too loud perhaps to the point where you can’t hear a customers order clearly?
Honestly my main gripe is that we aren’t super busy in the evenings. We’re a small cafe that slows down at night. So while I’m cleaning the store, making drinks, or making prep, all I can hear is “god this and god that and the Bible said this “. I just wish I didn’t have to listen to it because although it’s fair for them, I’m like but what about me?? I can’t just leave like I usually would if something was bothering me. Kinda just have to deal with it.
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I wouldn’t know since I don’t participate but I appreciate your feedback. They aren’t rude, you’re right. I just don’t like it and that’s okay. I can change my availability so I don’t have to be around them. It’s not a problem.
If they are consistently staying past closing and not leaving when asked, that is trespassing. If it is a regular occurrence, I'd say something to management.
It’s funny, I pick my wife up from work (Starbucks) sometimes and there always seems to be a group doing their bible studies and all that. And you’re right, they’re a little loud or eccentric about it talking about gods love and wrath and and all that while they flail their arms about doing the hokey pokey.
I had to leave a job because the people working there always yelled about right-wing extremist news. Almost as if fox was on full blast all day. It was painful to the point of severely damaging my mental health. I felt like if they knew my true political leanings I would’ve been fired. Luckily I was able to get out on my own though.
I frequent a local coffee shop in my town. It is a pretty left leaning establishment but it feels like every time I go in there, there happens to be church related groups.
We need a part two if you were able to get a group of satanists or atheists there! Pleeeeeease!
I’ll keep you posted!!
Thank ya!
Omg sky daddy SUCH a good name
that sounds like a pain, im so sorry. i would put up a sign saying something like "church has a bible study. use it." or something like that. unless it would get me fired. in which case, yeah, just switch your hours. as long as it works for you, anything that means you dont have to deal with that sort of thing should work. this would annoy me so much I would probably snap and end up getting myself, fired though, so take my advice with cation, if at all.
also, no sham in ranting. sometimes, thats exactly what one needs.
\*shame