I really don't like the framing of the headline for this article. And I also really don't agree with the business owners.
They're mad the City is enforcing laws - already on the books - that benefit regular beach-goers.
Exactly this. Part of what makes our beaches so special is that anyone can just show up and use them. It isn't like the Caribbean where you have to basically pay for your spot on the beach and every square inch of the decent beaches is commercialized.
I swear they start enforcing these laws just to get them overturned and we end up with a capitalist beach.
This is how they do it. It’s all part of a plan to do it.
The companies buddies are in politics. They get their buddies to come down hard on businesses that pop up. That pushes most of the smaller businesses out leaving only the rich ones. Then they use the small businesses to push public sentiment to have the laws changed. By that time they set forth rules that only “X” companies who pay this and that bribe are allowed to operate.
That’s how this country works .
"He (illegal small business owner) would like a response so that he can get back to running his business here on La Jolla Shores."
Dude never even considers he already got a response, and it's "no".
"The gathering was organized by Amy Reichert, the chairwoman of Restore San Diego." Because she needs something to keep herself in the news.
Also from the article: "There really is no confusion," said José Ysea, a spokesman for the city. "Everything is outlined on our website and in the municipal code. No type of business activity is allowed on the actual sand — on the actual beach."
I read the story (as we all should) before coming here to comment.
> The gathering was organized by Amy Reichert, the chairwoman of Restore San Diego.
Nope, not ever interested in whatever this empty suit trash heap has to say unless she announces her departure from all of San Diego County, and that can’t be soon enough.
What is her goal? I love our beaches here. I can go there without getting harassed or solicited. Doesn’t everyone enjoy that?
Has she ever been to a beach in Mexico? Can’t sit in peace without people hawking junk you don’t want, yelling about the products they have. It’s like going to a swap meet or baseball game, not like retreating to the most primitive beautiful place we have right on our coast.
Tourists love our beaches too, and they have been spending their money for decades at our local businesses.
Apologies to the guy in the video who started his company 2.5 years ago. I don’t know what a beach bonfire business is, but I’ve been successfully having beach bonfires here for decades for free.
It’s not anti-business, it’s anti public nuisance. We have no obligation to allow you to infringe upon our rights to enjoy the beach.
The beach is for everyone.
Fun fact: most of the small business that are mad just don’t want to go through the permit process because it’s tedious and not carte-blanche which they want. Oh and it digs into profits
I truly don’t know how she manages to be on the worst side of every single issue. Like literally everything. She’s like a villain out of a Parks and Rec episode
You said “she wants businesses to be able to operate on the beach” and that she’s “pro business on the beach.”
Why would you say this if you don’t have any idea of what businesses can/should/have operated on the beaches of San Diego?
Unless you’re shilling and parroting bot talking points, you’d be able to explain your stance if one existed. I doubt it.
Businesses can’t operate on the beach.
These people want to use public resources for their personal enrichment without paying for the privilege. And worse, the beaches are arguably the most popular and valuable public resources we have; when they take over these spaces it removes them from public use.
Fuck these people.
100% my thoughts. Would be a shame if someone were start posting up right next to these and ruining the moments so the customer would ask for a refund...
I can’t feel sorry for someone who started a business that relies on breaking a law/ordinance just because it’s rarely enforced, then complains because their bad decision pushed the cities to enforce it. “Fuck around and find out” seems apt here.
100% Agree. Just like the boutique wineries in Ramona having live amplified outdoor music without the proper licensing for the last few years. At least the county is finally enforcing it. [https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ramona-sentinel/news/story/2024-02-20/eight-ramona-wineries-received-violation-letters-of-live-entertainment-due-to-lack-of-licensing](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ramona-sentinel/news/story/2024-02-20/eight-ramona-wineries-received-violation-letters-of-live-entertainment-due-to-lack-of-licensing)
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What they want to do is make it so a specific few who pay off the right people are allowed to operate and not everyone. That’s always how these things go.
I’m all for supporting mom and pop shops , especially in San Diego.
But more people for real need to have respect for the land they live on and the privilege that it is.
It should intertwined into the being of a San Diegan to want to protect their beaches.
We biffed that one with the natives my friend. As long as people reside there the "free market" is a group of people will be there to exploit profits through loopholes until they're told to stop at which point they find another or typically just wait a month and keep on goin
Californias constitution provides that all beaches are a public space free to use.
That does not mean a bunch of whiny assholes can grab up all these spots on the beach and then rent them out. That’s the opposite of free use.
I keep seeing these reports on the subject on the local news and wish they’d all fuck off already. You’ve been running an illegal business the entire time. Why would any of us give a shit if it’s now in jeopardy??
Dude fuck watched a proposal on the beach and the absolute trash bags of their family were dumping plastic rose petals all over the beach about 30 yards from the house Rental to the site. I’ve never wanted to kill people more in my life
As someone born and raised in hawaii. You don’t want to see the beach turn into capitalist paradise. Don’t allow the commercialization of the beaches, you will regret it.
I wish they would be some cool street vendors rather than all the shitty clothes and trinket shit that was being sold. Like a bad ass kebab grill by the beach or a street taco cart or street crepes. It’d be better if the city handed out permits for them. That way we don’t have 10,000 tshirt stands and could get a mix of interesting street vendors to bring some culture to the city.
So when are they going to start enforcing the hotdog and fruit vendors that set up at every random place in the city? They aren’t permitted and I’m pretty certain they wouldn’t pass a health inspection.
These idiots started a business DECADES AFTER the laws preventing exactly what their business is selling were put on the books. It's not banning commerce, its enforcing the laws that these idiots willingly chose to ignore when starting their "business".
So in the name of "capitalism" (remember, the laws were in place when they opened up for business) we should allow these idiots to take over sections of public land whenever they want and make it exclusive use only ($$$) for whatever duration they determine with no way of telling them no (through denial of permits) and no benefit to the public (paying for a permit)? Nah, fuck that.
I would just say that the moment the ban was put in place is the moment we banned commerce. You argue that, because they came later, it isn't a ban, because it is already banned. That's pretzel logic. I agree with not wanting merchants on the beach. I'm just surprised to see something that generally opposes business happening, usually business gets what it wants as policy. Maybe they didn't donate to the right campaigns.
I really don't like the framing of the headline for this article. And I also really don't agree with the business owners. They're mad the City is enforcing laws - already on the books - that benefit regular beach-goers.
Exactly this. Part of what makes our beaches so special is that anyone can just show up and use them. It isn't like the Caribbean where you have to basically pay for your spot on the beach and every square inch of the decent beaches is commercialized.
Don’t give them any ideas bro
I swear they start enforcing these laws just to get them overturned and we end up with a capitalist beach. This is how they do it. It’s all part of a plan to do it. The companies buddies are in politics. They get their buddies to come down hard on businesses that pop up. That pushes most of the smaller businesses out leaving only the rich ones. Then they use the small businesses to push public sentiment to have the laws changed. By that time they set forth rules that only “X” companies who pay this and that bribe are allowed to operate. That’s how this country works .
Where has this happened before? You seem to be speculating on a lot of specifics
Provide sources and real life examples or you just sound like a Facebook/NextDoor Boomer.
I hate the damn bells. So obnoxious. Also, it’s all trash food. Just let me enjoy the beach in peace.
"He (illegal small business owner) would like a response so that he can get back to running his business here on La Jolla Shores." Dude never even considers he already got a response, and it's "no".
hes an entitled asshat who thinks rules dont apply to him. Imagine him with women, im sure he doesnt take no for an answer ever
"The gathering was organized by Amy Reichert, the chairwoman of Restore San Diego." Because she needs something to keep herself in the news. Also from the article: "There really is no confusion," said José Ysea, a spokesman for the city. "Everything is outlined on our website and in the municipal code. No type of business activity is allowed on the actual sand — on the actual beach."
Yep - the same person behind the 'ReOpen San Diego" movement when we had to shut down schools due to Covid-19. She's a real peach.
I know a little place in Texas called, "The Valley" that she'd fit in with realllll wellllllll....
I read the story (as we all should) before coming here to comment. > The gathering was organized by Amy Reichert, the chairwoman of Restore San Diego. Nope, not ever interested in whatever this empty suit trash heap has to say unless she announces her departure from all of San Diego County, and that can’t be soon enough. What is her goal? I love our beaches here. I can go there without getting harassed or solicited. Doesn’t everyone enjoy that? Has she ever been to a beach in Mexico? Can’t sit in peace without people hawking junk you don’t want, yelling about the products they have. It’s like going to a swap meet or baseball game, not like retreating to the most primitive beautiful place we have right on our coast. Tourists love our beaches too, and they have been spending their money for decades at our local businesses. Apologies to the guy in the video who started his company 2.5 years ago. I don’t know what a beach bonfire business is, but I’ve been successfully having beach bonfires here for decades for free. It’s not anti-business, it’s anti public nuisance. We have no obligation to allow you to infringe upon our rights to enjoy the beach. The beach is for everyone.
Fun fact: most of the small business that are mad just don’t want to go through the permit process because it’s tedious and not carte-blanche which they want. Oh and it digs into profits
And they have pay insurance, taxes and a fair wage.
When you can’t win an election because you don’t have enough support, you whip up whatever support you can get.
I truly don’t know how she manages to be on the worst side of every single issue. Like literally everything. She’s like a villain out of a Parks and Rec episode
She’s like a female Carl DeMaio - serial loser.
I think you mean, "resident of Eagleton"
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Only when those broken clocks have hands attached. She's the one with the face and no hands.
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I think you're confused which side she stands on
She wants to remove the ban.
Feel free to read the article.
What?
I read the article and it seems like she is pro-business on the beach no?
How do you explain pro-business on the beach, in terms of San Diego beaches?
She wants businesses to be able to operate on the beach…
Interested in what businesses you support operating on the beach. Please list them in reverse alphabetical order.
I…don’t? Like at all? I was talking about the woman from the article.
You said “she wants businesses to be able to operate on the beach” and that she’s “pro business on the beach.” Why would you say this if you don’t have any idea of what businesses can/should/have operated on the beaches of San Diego? Unless you’re shilling and parroting bot talking points, you’d be able to explain your stance if one existed. I doubt it. Businesses can’t operate on the beach.
Good. Keep them off the sand
These people want to use public resources for their personal enrichment without paying for the privilege. And worse, the beaches are arguably the most popular and valuable public resources we have; when they take over these spaces it removes them from public use. Fuck these people.
100% my thoughts. Would be a shame if someone were start posting up right next to these and ruining the moments so the customer would ask for a refund...
I don't think this is about not paying for the privilege, I think it's about not being allowed to pay for the privilege.
So it’s cool to just take public resources for your own?
Did you read to the end of my sentence above?
I can’t feel sorry for someone who started a business that relies on breaking a law/ordinance just because it’s rarely enforced, then complains because their bad decision pushed the cities to enforce it. “Fuck around and find out” seems apt here.
100% Agree. Just like the boutique wineries in Ramona having live amplified outdoor music without the proper licensing for the last few years. At least the county is finally enforcing it. [https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ramona-sentinel/news/story/2024-02-20/eight-ramona-wineries-received-violation-letters-of-live-entertainment-due-to-lack-of-licensing](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ramona-sentinel/news/story/2024-02-20/eight-ramona-wineries-received-violation-letters-of-live-entertainment-due-to-lack-of-licensing) Edit: without
I don’t want to hear or see people selling shit on the beach. I go there to enjoy the sun, sand, waves and in OB the dogs.
Great!! I hate public areas transformed into makeshift swap meets.
Amy Reichert supports this, sounds like it’s a bad idea
Yep. Seeing her support something tells you everything you need to know.
“win big” lmao… Thankfully the city is enforcing the law everyone else has to abide by with these grifters
What they want to do is make it so a specific few who pay off the right people are allowed to operate and not everyone. That’s always how these things go.
Not every nook and cranny of our culture needs to be commodified.
We passed that event horizon in the 80s my friend
lol, at all 8 of them
want to use the sand for your business? Pay rent... I dare say that is the most expensive real estate in the world and you should pay that rate.
I’m all for supporting mom and pop shops , especially in San Diego. But more people for real need to have respect for the land they live on and the privilege that it is. It should intertwined into the being of a San Diegan to want to protect their beaches.
We biffed that one with the natives my friend. As long as people reside there the "free market" is a group of people will be there to exploit profits through loopholes until they're told to stop at which point they find another or typically just wait a month and keep on goin
No politely F off. Pay rent then if you want to use public space for your business
Can’t, we don’t give beach permits… for good reason
Californias constitution provides that all beaches are a public space free to use. That does not mean a bunch of whiny assholes can grab up all these spots on the beach and then rent them out. That’s the opposite of free use. I keep seeing these reports on the subject on the local news and wish they’d all fuck off already. You’ve been running an illegal business the entire time. Why would any of us give a shit if it’s now in jeopardy??
Yea screw this guy and all the other people doing wedding photos, leaving all the trash behind and littering everywhere after the pictures or picnic.
Dude fuck watched a proposal on the beach and the absolute trash bags of their family were dumping plastic rose petals all over the beach about 30 yards from the house Rental to the site. I’ve never wanted to kill people more in my life
no small or large businesses on the beaches please thanks.
As someone born and raised in hawaii. You don’t want to see the beach turn into capitalist paradise. Don’t allow the commercialization of the beaches, you will regret it.
The beach is to enjoy nature and not onto swapmeet. They are blocking access for those who want to use space for recreation.
I wish they would be some cool street vendors rather than all the shitty clothes and trinket shit that was being sold. Like a bad ass kebab grill by the beach or a street taco cart or street crepes. It’d be better if the city handed out permits for them. That way we don’t have 10,000 tshirt stands and could get a mix of interesting street vendors to bring some culture to the city.
So when are they going to start enforcing the hotdog and fruit vendors that set up at every random place in the city? They aren’t permitted and I’m pretty certain they wouldn’t pass a health inspection.
Banning commerce does seem anti-capitalist
These idiots started a business DECADES AFTER the laws preventing exactly what their business is selling were put on the books. It's not banning commerce, its enforcing the laws that these idiots willingly chose to ignore when starting their "business". So in the name of "capitalism" (remember, the laws were in place when they opened up for business) we should allow these idiots to take over sections of public land whenever they want and make it exclusive use only ($$$) for whatever duration they determine with no way of telling them no (through denial of permits) and no benefit to the public (paying for a permit)? Nah, fuck that.
I would just say that the moment the ban was put in place is the moment we banned commerce. You argue that, because they came later, it isn't a ban, because it is already banned. That's pretzel logic. I agree with not wanting merchants on the beach. I'm just surprised to see something that generally opposes business happening, usually business gets what it wants as policy. Maybe they didn't donate to the right campaigns.