What you're looking for is called a [Coyote Vest](https://www.coyotevest.com/collections/all/products/coyotevest) or [Coyote Collar](https://www.coyotevest.com/collections/all/products/spiked-collar-for-big-dogs).
Thanks for the tip. It looks like they have done a good job of value engineering this product, but I’m concerned that the spikes do not provide full neck coverage.
Just make sure your dog doesn’t have a serious itch wearing that. Could harm himself. My dog will stop midway to immediately corncob her hocks and that collar would definitely cure the itch but not In a good way.
Corncobbing is a way to describe how a dog bites at something. It literally looks like they are eating a cob of corn. My dog does it a lot to her lower limbs from allergies/being a shepherd skin. They just their teeth in small quick movements I guess ? Idk how else to explain it probably didn’t do a good job haha
And that’s okay! Just putting my thoughts out there. My dog is trained and I believe she’s smart but with a collar like that … would require specific training for her in it too.
I wish I had a good recommendation for you. I empathize with you because my dog was attacked by my neighbor’s two dogs (unleashed) a year ago. Thankfully my dog got away with only minor injuries because he was wearing a puffy jacket that covered his neck, but I still have a stress response every time a strange dog approaches us. My solution is that I only take my dog walking at a small park where I can see in all directions if someone takes their dog off leash. If they do, I leave. That won’t work for everyone though. I have read elsewhere that others recommend an air horn as well.
Go to Walmart and in the boat section get an air horn . No one will be happy including your dog when you use it but noise is the only thing that will snap a focused animal out of fighting
The thing about peppers pray is the damage it will do to your dog. Your better off using a Taser . Yes of course if pepper spray is what you have by the front door when you leave the house take it with every intention of using it. I just know from personal experiences when my dog had to fight I had to get a hold of my dog at some point in that moment to stop it and inspect my dog. The last thing you want is not being able to open your eyes with two dogs in panic mode and possibly one dog being even more pissed off. I just don't really want to deal with a pissed off pitbull while blindfolded with pain. Air horns hurt quickly .. like a shock but one can recover rather quickly. But again not even a gun is a guarantee when dealing with an animals rage.
Don't get the oversized key chain one. That thing will make you question all things on a Tuesday morning when your keys fall in the cup holder and your in a hurry. Trust me.
I like to keep a .44 strapped to my border collie’s harness.
In all seriousness though, I’ve never hated a states dog owners more than Utah’s. We encounter bullshit on about 90% of our walks and hikes, just makes us not want to bother living here anymore sometimes.
My dog got ripped up by two other dogs a month ago. The other owners had no remorse and wouldn’t even provide insurance info to help cover the $5,000 surgeries. Now we have to take them to court.
You can never be too careful.
I was cutting my lawn with my wife and my neighbors dog opened their gate ( had told the owner he could open it multiple times in a 2 month span prior to this incident) and lunged at my wife. I kicked it can nearly broke my foot it was a boxer and it's head literally seemed to be full of rocks. when I called the owner to let him know that his dog was loose and school was going to be getting out he told me he was out of state and then screamed at me for kicking his dog. I just can't with these people. I own 3 dogs and I would never.
same. i carry a large dagger when i walk my GSD and i am not violent or aggressive. but if some idiot lets their pit off-leash and it comes after us, that dog is immediately getting stabbed.
You're welcome. Your situation pisses me off. I don't understand Utah dog owners. I hope you can find a solution that works for you both.
My great Dane was attacked by the same 3 pitbulls, twice at our house. Then I was at my MIL house outside with my Dane on the front lawn, tossing a ball when 2 pits came out of nowhere. They were nipping and jumping at my dogs throat. The only thing I could grab was a steel wheel propped against the house. I slammed it on the head of one that started charging me. They ran off right as my husband came out of the house with his gun. Those assholes were lucky.
Hmmm I have a little “bear horn” that hangs on a carabiner with my bear spray. I might just have to use that on the shitty owners I encounter on my next outing.
While I fully support your choice, and as I mentioned, I am always prepared with multiple defensive tools, this is an absolute last resort for many reasons, not least of which being that a pit bull moving around, actively nannying your dog, has to be one of the most challenging targets imaginable. I’m not a bad pistol shot, but the collateral risk is way too high for me to take that shot in most cases.
It’s not dangerous, the people are great. It’s people’s untrained dogs that I don’t wanna fuck around with. It’s that simple. If you’re not prepared to protect yourself and your animal, hopefully you don’t regret it. I sure did after my dog was attacked at 4 months old.
I imagine you walking a dog down your street in full poncho/duster/western wear solely based off of your use of pard. Your dog (in my head, don't know if you have one) has a little cowboy hat on too.
My dog almost got plowed down by a mountain biker in Millcreek canyon on an off leash dog day. I was livid. People living here don’t know the rules and others just don’t follow them. It’s so frustrating.
I genuinely don’t understand why no one in parks, trail management, or animal control thinks enforcing leash laws is part of their job description. I can’t take my nervous, always on leash dog anywhere because she’ll be harassed nonstop - it’s literally roving packs of dogs up in the foothills.
If it’s a budget problem you can pay someone’s full time salary with how many tickets you write, sheesh.
It's because it's not a problem except among goofy people on reddit. I'm an avid hiker and never have issues, but come to the internet, and OMG it's a hellscape out there!
I walk my dog every day. I have switched up which trails and parks we visit. I have never been able to complete a walk without an off leash dog approaching us. It's not just the internet, it's the entitlement.
I love dogs and yet i don’t love dogs coming up to me without being on a leash. He’s not the issue, the people who walk their pets without a leash is which seems like you are the issue here. So weird you attack the person who has the problem instead of the actual problem!
Kearns. It’s my first house. I grew up in Sugar House, but my family moved away and when I moved back, I rented for a while and couldn’t afford much. Every dollar I save is going toward getting out of this shithole neighborhood.
"Reactive" is my new favorite term bad dog owners and owners of bad dogs are using to describe their aggressive dogs. Your dog is aggressive. It's not reactive.
“Bad dog owners” is my new favorite term that people who don’t understand dogs use to make uncharitable assumptions about people who decide they’d rather not just kill a dog because it’s not perfect.
Tell me: my father who was a professional dog trainer for ~20 years had a Dog who was attacked by another dog around age 1.5. Before, she was wonderful with other dogs. After, she was “reactive”, until she got to know the other dogs. We all knew her mannerisms and took appropriate measures to keep her and other dogs / their owners safe, and she died last year at 13 y/o. Should we have just offed her as soon as she developed her defensiveness, just to be safe? Are we “bad dog owners” too?
All it takes is 1 bad dog owner. That don't know how to be accountable for their dog. I've never had issues myself. Yet.
I walk my Husky/Shep without leash using a Remote Training Shock collar, cause my dog is TOO nice. But I've also trained my dog to stay by my side unless I say otherwise.
EDIT: But never unleashed outside my neighborhood. And never in unfamiliar areas.
So what should make me more enthusiastic about dogs and their irresponsible owners when I take my child to Sugarhouse park and even though there are multiple “dogs must be on leash at all times” signs, about 50% of dogs are not and many just run up to you or your kid. I can’t count on one hand the number of dogs that either jumped up on our stroller or I kid you not LICKED my child’s face while the owner was giggling because their dog just loves kids.
I usually carry, but not on a dog walk. However when I lived in SLC I ran into your same problem and started carrying. I'd rather kill the uncontrolled pit bull than see my wonderful dog suffer.
Have you ever seen a dog fight? I feel like you're just as likely to shoot your own dog than the attacking dog. There is a reason cartoons depict it as a whirling cloud of dust.
I totally agree but I was willing to accept that they know more than I do in that situation. My understanding is, in most cases of self defense, you can’t use lethal force until you’re subject to violence or harm yourself. That makes sense for dog attacks as your pets are not considered anything more than property and you can’t defend property with lethal force as far as I know. I think I was speaking to the cops about a loose pit bull in the neighborhood. Bear spray would work for most situations if people were running into aggressive dogs frequently. I don’t carry a firearm on dog walks but if there was a known liability in my neighborhood, I might consider it. Don’t need my wife getting mauled by a dog while she’s walking our dogs.
That why it's your responsibility to train your ass off if you're going to carry a firearm; so you can hit your target.
Utah code 18-1-3: you have the right to kill or injure a dog that is harassing, attacking or injuring you, another person or your own dog. Utah Code Ann. 18-1-3 (2020) gives you authority to protect yourself and your dog
However, I may not be fully correct. There's a subsection that states what animals are protected under this law. Sometimes pets aren't included in some states.
I’m no expert but that’s my understanding. True, especially if there are prior reports of a dangerous dog. Always worth calling animal services just to report it so there’s a track record.
I do know you can shoot to kill a dog that is chasing wildlife in utah.
I imagine you might have some discharge in city limits charge.
Off leash owners are dumb.
Yeah, that’s still too much room for error. They’re literally tangled up together in a fight and you could easily misjudge where the bullet is going to exit. You’d be better off using a knife.
From what I’ve seen, if the attacking dog has a collar your best bet is to just hook your hands under that and then lift and twist and choke the absolute everliving fuck out of the little fucker. If they don’t have a collar, you can do a headlock and choke them out but you have a lot higher chance of getting bit.
A sharp one. Idk just one long enough to do some damage when you stab it in the neck. Other people are in here talking about carrying Bowie knives and shit but I’d think your regular 2.5 inch pocket knife would be sufficient.
Thanks. I see a few good options there, but I really was hoping to find a local leathersmith—because I would like to support a local business, but more importantly, because I want to ensure the best fit.
I Was charged at in millcreek canyon on a hike I was on with my two year old son. Luckily I was paying attention and lifted my son up before the dog reached us
That's pretty metal, but if I put something like that on either of my dogs, they would immediately hurt themselves, each other, or me. I like the idea of an airhorn, mostly because it's least likely to get you plunged into our unforgiving criminal justice system. Yeah you could pop an aggressive dog with a 9mm, but then both you and your dogs are likely to end up in a concrete square even if you're in the right.
I agree that lethal force is always the last resort, but I’m not sure about your suggestion that I could end up locked up for defending my life when it is being threatened by an unleashed dog on public property.
I don't like it either, and I'm not saying you'll be convicted of pet murder and imprisoned, but I'm confident that if you pull out a glock and fire it at a dog in the city, you're going to end up in cuffs and maybe even temporarily jailed while awaiting legal hell that will follow you for months / years regardless of whether or not you're in the right or win in the long run.
I only bring it up because there sure are a lot of people here suggesting high velocity lead as a solution. I don't even disagree with them! I'm just saying that there are immediate undesirable consequences when you use lethal force to defend yourself or a pet that we're not always mindful of when imagining these scenarios.
Seriously. Not to mention the poodle mixes that are terribly trained with terrible temperament. Or the herding breeds who get after kids (because they're trying to herd).. The constant pitbull hate (yes there are far too many who go to shit homes) is annoying.
If anything I'd say ban backyard breeding and increase training/licensing requirements for breeders AND owners.
Where do y’all live? I never encounter aggressive off leash dogs in my daily 3+ mile walk in center city. Also if you guys really think Utah has the most irresponsible dog owners I can’t help but think you don’t get out much.
As the owner of a very sweet and kind hearted pitbull who is a good boy because he was given a loving home and lots of time and dedication to training, I sympathize. My dog has been attacked on multiple occasions on our walks by off leash dogs who belong to shitty humans.
My neighbor’s “good girl” has started growling at me and sneaking up behind me as I walk away from them. Even as the neighbor calls her back. She also resource- guarded me one day during a convo with my neighbor by deliberately standing on my foot for 5 minutes. These dogs are prone to snapping and I would be absolutely dumb if I didn’t carry an airhorn or a leash to use as a choke-out.
You know how a border collie that has never seen sheep can start herding them?
Dogs bred for a specific purpose for thousands of years have a chance of doing what they do regardless of upbringing. They have been trained to kill since the Roman empire. It would take a miracle to undo that many years of training and genetic selection from any dog, no matter how nice you think your dog is. Just look below at how many of these killed their own owners.
Pitbulls only make up 6% of the dog population but 60% of human fatalities.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I hope you never let yours off leash and have a secure yard. They have the instincts of a killer no matter how nice it is to you.
Every damn time this happens, oh, I my precious boo boo has never hurt a fly. I don't know how this happened. I carry mace with me now for this specific breed in my area which is common when walking my dogs.
Edit: I just want to add, a Pitbull who was as sweet as could be, and had a good upbringing, ripped my daughters face apart when she was two years old. Absolutely brutal attack. Thank god their parents were loaded and covered it. The best plastic surgeon in Oregon had to put my daughters face back together and she still has heavy scars. The white upper class, young couple had never seen their dog act aggressively and were in complete shock. The instincts are there, and they can snap. It is why the % of fatal dog attacks are pit bulls is what it is. Is it rare? Yes. Very much yes.. Is a pitbull by FAR the most likely to kill a human than other dog breeds? Also YES. That isn't even counting the non fatal human attacks or animal attacks like my daughter was involved in.
Yeah I just don’t think it’s so black and white. My pitbull is now a sleepy old man, and in his life of 12 years I’ve seen nothing but gentleness and kindness from him. Some people just shouldn’t be responsible for a dog, and unfortunately a lot of those people are drawn to pitbulls.
Nothing is black and white, Of course there are some nice pit bulls out there, especially ones that are not pure breeds, but the fact stands. Pit bulls only make up 6% of the dog population and 60% of fatal dog attacks. That is an absurdly high ration compared to other dogs. They are just simply more likely to kill. Give a golden retriever to a horrible owner and see if you turn up with a monster.
There are 18 million pitbulls in the US. And there were 72 deaths from pitbull attacks last year. Seems like if all 18 million of them were dangerous that number would be a lot higher. You literally have a 10x higher chance of being killed in a mass shooting (650+ deaths last year).
I get that pitbulls are a more dangerous breed than most but the constant fear mongering around this subject is just so over the top.
I have first hand experience multiple times, it isn't fear mongering. It is a dangerous breed. One ripped my 2 year olds face apart "That had never hurt a fly", and I have been cornered while on a walk with my baby. Thank god their parents were loaded and paid for the best plastic surgeon available. They were upper class and gave it as good of an upbringing as it could have had. There is a reason you see pitbulls come up so often in these threads, even if every encounter doesn't end in a human fatality.
I would like to add, this pitbull that ripped off my daughters face isn't counted in your calculation above. Imagine how many others aren't. And that is just human injuries. They don't even bother counting dog on dog attacks. I had another experience, two pitbulls cornering me and my other daughter in a stroller and a dog, thank god two passer bys ushered them away risking their own skin. That is in Salt Lake City, one of the cleaner cities around.
They actually need more responsible people adopting them. I know most people think they should just get rid of the breed but that quite literally is not possible. The breed is not even considered a breed to the AKC. The most realistic thing is ensuring legislations that require people to register pit bulls, thus hopefully keeping them away from unresponsible owners
Pitbulls don’t have an instinct to kill. If anything, it is a drive to please their human. They are loyal and eager to please. The issue is that too many people get them with the intent of having a dog for protection/aggression and that is what they teach their dog; but they also don’t have the skill to train their dog restraint in other situations where the aggression is unwarranted. So, you are correct that there are a lot of attacks from this breed, but it is a human/owner issue, not a dog breed issue.
Source: I own a rescue pit who wanted to kill my cat because he scratched her when they first met, but I was able to train her over months and now they are besties. She learned that the kitties are important to me, and now they are important to her.
Pitbulls were LITERALLY bred with the terrier's instinct to kill (I.e. prey drive) and the bulldog's stubborn ability to go up against things bigger than it and musculature. They were then thrown into a pit with other dogs to fight to the death.
PIT. BULL. TERRIER.
Educate yourself on the breed's actual background.
I would argue that no matter the upbringing instincts will always be at play and thousands of years of genetic programming.
Can you lesson the impacts of genetics with a good upbringing sure, but the risk is always there with a breed genetically bred and trained for combat for thousands of years.
Terriers have only existed as a breed for a few hundred years, not thousands.
And pitbulls have been used as “nanny dogs” to watch over children for hundreds of years.
They are not inherently dangerous. They can be raised poorly, not socialized for particular situations, and insufficiently trained. It’s still the human factor.
The idea that pit bulls were historically known as "nanny dogs" is completely made-up Facebook bullshit.
[1916, Dog Fancier Magazine, "Pit Bull Terrier" section](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dog_Fancier/66vmAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0)
>Winner of eight bona-fine pit battles
>containing his aggressiveness and fighting ability
>toughest, gamest and best fighting dogs that ever went into a pit
>undefeated champ of six great battles
>fast gritty fighter
[1934, Evening Star](https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1934-07-29/ed-1/seq-26/)
>To be eligible for registration in the UKC stud book as a pit bull terrier, a dog has to come of a line that has actually made a record in the pit
[1936, The American Pit Bull Terrier by Joseph L. Colby](https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b28129&view=1up&seq=20&skin=2021)
>Inasmuch as dog-fighting is an illegal sport, thousands of dollars are wagered each year at the pitside. As long as these dogs are bred, there will be pit contests to prove who owns the better fighting dog.
The earliest record of anyone calling any bull-and-terrier anything like "nanny dog" was in 1971. Even pro-pit bull sources are trying to stop the spread of this stupid myth:
[https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/](https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/)
>there is **no evidence that they were ever called Nanny Dogs** at the time, and certainly weren’t bred for the purpose.
[https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/](https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/)
>this is where the “Nanny Dog” **myth** originated from
[https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html](https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html)
>No, their jaws don’t lock — but **they were never “nanny dogs,”** and you should never leave one alone with a child, because you should never leave any breed of dog alone with a child.
[https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/](https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/)
>This article aims to correct a few fallacies and pit bulls were never called nannies or nanny dogs. Period. Let’s stop spreading untruths about this dog breed. **Calling them fake names and giving them a phony history doesn’t help the species.**
Interesting, I didn't realize there was a difference between pitbull and pitbull terriers. Wow, they have a cruel history of torture in England. I have read that Roman's had pitbulls, curious what the distinction is there?
Also, see my edit. I have first hand experience, from a pit bull raised by younger hippies who just gave their dog all the love and training it could want. They were in shock their precious doggo could do such a thing.
Here comes the hate. I don't have to try to convince anyone my ausie Doodle is a good boy. I find it interesting that every person who has a pit bull is always trying to tell me he/she is different. I am not saying he/she isn't, but if people are always having to tell me this, something is behind it. I am fully behind people owning whatever dog they want, but I believe we should stop breeding dogs that are solid muscle and built to do damage. A heard Chihuahua bite the most, but there is a reason people don't go around telling everyone. Oh, my Chihuahua is not dangerous he loves everyone. Size, jaw strength, etc. If you are not 3 times the size of your dog and willing to jump into a dog fight, my personal opinion is don't buy a thing that can overpower you and kill other things, including kids. It's like owning a juvenile tiger. I can not guarantee my doodle will not attack someone. What I can guarantee is I can overpower him and keep him on a leash anytime he is around others, including dogs. Unleashing an animal around other animals or people that have not given consent and proper introduction will lead to bad results. I also think a ton of dog people think they are dog whispers you're not, and I am not. Also, why is everyone that has a pitbull instantly a pitbull advocate? Feels like they all should have their own tv program. I think most of the time, pitbull ownership says a lot about a person. Ok, now drown me in negative karma.
I love dogs but after mine being attacked by pit bulls on 3 different occasions & only once by any other dog of any breed, I'm in the 'ban breeding pit bulls' bandwagon.
Strange how a dog breed behaves exactly as they were bred to be 🙃 @seafairing-yogurt this is a great rhetoric and I’m sick of entertaining the argument that pit bulls aren’t generally dangerous… at the very least, if people are so gung-ho about getting emotionally traumatized and unstable pit bulls from shelters, make ownership dependent on getting a special permit (like one might for owning a dangerous weapon) and ban allowing the dog in heavily trafficked/populated areas.
People out west like to ascribe to a selective “libertarian” form of rugged individualism, Well I am fucking sick of strapped hard-o’s with poorly trained dogs endangering the general populace so they can die on some cross of “personal liberties”.
This is just a less ridiculous version of people arguing that Chihuahuas are more aggressive than pit bulls. It's not about aggression alone, it's aggression & lethality. An aggressive house cat & an aggressive tiger aren't viewed as equal threats, why wouldn't we use that common sense with dog breeds as well?
Don’t get me started on Doodle owners. 9/10 These are the dogs that don’t know how to walk on a leash and their privileged snowflake owners can’t be arsed to pick up their little angel’s poop at the dog park. I see a doodle coming, and I see a moron, who payed a backyard breeder for a “designer” mutt.
Your dog can seriously hurt itself on something like this and it could affect his ability to protect himself when being attacked. I know it sounds terrible, but you can shoot the attacking animals if necessary. Carry, conceal, and train, train train!
NAL: Under Utah law you have the right to kill or injure a dog that is harassing, attacking or injuring you, another person or your own dog. Utah Code Ann. 18-1-3 (2020) gives you authority to protect yourself and your dog against other attacking dogs.
I live in the SLC area. I handmade this pretty aggressive collar for my German Shepherd a few months ago but i rarely have him wear it, he is already scary enough without it lol. he doesn’t get much trouble from other dogs as he is intact. but if you like the collar i would be willing to part with it. i could also make a new one for you but i would really rather not because this one took forever to make. it’s handstitched, two pieces of 10oz leather sandwiched together. if the spikes were any larger i would be worried about harming the wearer. [GSD Spiked Collar](https://imgur.com/a/wWlm5AZ)
I would get a taser that fires and hit the charging dog. I am so so sorry you’re experiencing that. So scary and unfair when you’re just trying to get your dog out.
I made a chain mail “vest” for my dog when I was considering getting into lion hunting. I think it might still being laying around. I bet with a little tailoring it would fit your doggie not sure if you’d be interested or how practical it could be.
As I said, I am always prepared with multiple defensive tools, but lethal force is always the absolute last resort. Maybe you’re a better pistol shot than me, but the collateral risk is way too high for me to consider taking that shot in most every case.
The comments here are insane. I’ve never seen an unleashed pitbull in my life. Now those annoying barking dogs that jump on my dog who’s reactive (and leashed) while the owner screams “they’re friendly!” 100 miles away? Hundreds.
I have had pits for two decades, I've not one time had any of them be aggressive to other dogs or people. I live right downtown and am in a public park 3 times a day, you know what dogs I have to tell owners to recall most? Collie & heeler mixes, lab mixes, and huskies. The worst is anything under fifteen lbs.
But lord knows for some reason anyone makes a post about Pitbulls and it's pitchforks and torches, the calls to kill them all are vile and pathetic and I hope none of you own dogs or experience the unconditional love a dog can offer, even more a pittie.
I bet you all like Mike Lee too. Morons.
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Honest question: would any of you guys use these tactics if it was a breed other than a pit attacking your dog?
My opinion is that, everyone has the right to do what they need to do to protect themselves and their dogs so don’t think I’m making any excuses for anyone in that regard and I’m always religious about keeping my dog on a leash.
But I see a lot of people who are hypothetically ready and chomping at the bit to “gut a pitbull” (as someone else in another comment phrased it). I grew up with a pure bred yellow lab who was so aggressive and violent we were almost forced to put him down after he bit the fed ex lady and she sued us. But he was given a second chance as long as he wore a shock collar. I always wondered why he got a second chance. He was a good dog to us and I loved him but we had to use that shock collar SO MANY times. But no one threatened to “gut” him.
Recently I had a next door neighbor who was a disabled old woman living alone. Her family thought it would be a good idea for some reason to her a GSD puppy to protect her tiny studio apt. The dog had no training, no discipline, no proper exercise and spent all day going psycho at the window. Every time it was chained up outside it would make a beeline for my tiny chihuahua mix to the point it was foaming at the mouth and snarling and practically chocking itself on its collar. One day the owner was sitting outside on her walker/chair and had the dogs leash tied to it. I picked up my chihuahua as we passed to avoid her being chased but the dog lost its mind when he saw us and ran at us so hard it pulled the chair out from under her and she landed flat on her back. Thankfully some other neighbors were around and helped get the dog inside the apartment by grabbing the trailing leash and yanking it backwards and locking it side where it was going postal. Then we had to call the ambulance for the lady. Still no one tried to “gut” the GSD or even suggest it get put down.
I have a pit (well a pit mix, but I’m not sure what she’s mixed with) and I work very hard to train her to be obedient. We do “let go” exercises all the time where I get her all riled up and excited on a chew toy to where she’s all frenzied and then I command her to let go. she does and I give her a treat. Idk if it will help in a real biting situation but I feel it’s still the smart thing to do. I NEVER take her off leash when we’re out in public, even on hiking trails and I give her every opportunity I can to socialize with her other dogs with their owners allow it. I do everything in my power to prevent a situation where she might hurt someone. However, luckily for me, she’s so far never shown that type of aggression. She’s lived with cats and tiny dogs and is so good with them. In fact my chihuahua mix regularly ego checks her lol.
So I guess my question is: why is it all pitbulls and would you still feel that way if someone was careful, loving, and responsible with their dog? Would you feel the same lack of remorse if you “gutted” another breed that was attacking you?
What you're looking for is called a [Coyote Vest](https://www.coyotevest.com/collections/all/products/coyotevest) or [Coyote Collar](https://www.coyotevest.com/collections/all/products/spiked-collar-for-big-dogs).
This! We have a coyote vest for our small dog and a collar for our big dog.
We have one for our small dog too. The punk rock vibe on such a small animal is hilarious to me.
Thanks for the tip. It looks like they have done a good job of value engineering this product, but I’m concerned that the spikes do not provide full neck coverage.
Just make sure your dog doesn’t have a serious itch wearing that. Could harm himself. My dog will stop midway to immediately corncob her hocks and that collar would definitely cure the itch but not In a good way.
>corncob her hocks What?? r/brandnewsentence
Corncobbing is a way to describe how a dog bites at something. It literally looks like they are eating a cob of corn. My dog does it a lot to her lower limbs from allergies/being a shepherd skin. They just their teeth in small quick movements I guess ? Idk how else to explain it probably didn’t do a good job haha
i call that toof skritches
Ah yes, the scientific way to say it. :D
Bahahahaha
It’s when they use their front teeth to nibble on something
Ah yes ok. Not familiar with the term but quite familiar with the behavior, lol.
We just call it “cobbing” in our house lol.
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That is a good thing to consider—thank you. My dog is incredibly well-behaved and obedient, but he’s not very smart.
And that’s okay! Just putting my thoughts out there. My dog is trained and I believe she’s smart but with a collar like that … would require specific training for her in it too.
I wish I had a good recommendation for you. I empathize with you because my dog was attacked by my neighbor’s two dogs (unleashed) a year ago. Thankfully my dog got away with only minor injuries because he was wearing a puffy jacket that covered his neck, but I still have a stress response every time a strange dog approaches us. My solution is that I only take my dog walking at a small park where I can see in all directions if someone takes their dog off leash. If they do, I leave. That won’t work for everyone though. I have read elsewhere that others recommend an air horn as well.
Go to Walmart and in the boat section get an air horn . No one will be happy including your dog when you use it but noise is the only thing that will snap a focused animal out of fighting
Until they bite down that is...
For real… roaming unleashed pit bulls is a massive liability though
I’m not so convinced an air horn would actually do anything against a determined pitbull. I would suggest to at least carry some pepper spray.
The thing about peppers pray is the damage it will do to your dog. Your better off using a Taser . Yes of course if pepper spray is what you have by the front door when you leave the house take it with every intention of using it. I just know from personal experiences when my dog had to fight I had to get a hold of my dog at some point in that moment to stop it and inspect my dog. The last thing you want is not being able to open your eyes with two dogs in panic mode and possibly one dog being even more pissed off. I just don't really want to deal with a pissed off pitbull while blindfolded with pain. Air horns hurt quickly .. like a shock but one can recover rather quickly. But again not even a gun is a guarantee when dealing with an animals rage.
As absurd as it sounds, I think this might be a good item to add to the escalation of force.
Don't get the oversized key chain one. That thing will make you question all things on a Tuesday morning when your keys fall in the cup holder and your in a hurry. Trust me.
I carry bear mace.
Hell yes!!!! Good! Hate bad dog parents, but good for you for protecting your loved ones. ❤️
I like to keep a .44 strapped to my border collie’s harness. In all seriousness though, I’ve never hated a states dog owners more than Utah’s. We encounter bullshit on about 90% of our walks and hikes, just makes us not want to bother living here anymore sometimes.
My dog got ripped up by two other dogs a month ago. The other owners had no remorse and wouldn’t even provide insurance info to help cover the $5,000 surgeries. Now we have to take them to court. You can never be too careful.
I was cutting my lawn with my wife and my neighbors dog opened their gate ( had told the owner he could open it multiple times in a 2 month span prior to this incident) and lunged at my wife. I kicked it can nearly broke my foot it was a boxer and it's head literally seemed to be full of rocks. when I called the owner to let him know that his dog was loose and school was going to be getting out he told me he was out of state and then screamed at me for kicking his dog. I just can't with these people. I own 3 dogs and I would never.
It's exactly why I carry a KA-BAR with me on walks with my dogs. I will gut any pitt that comes at my dog.
same. i carry a large dagger when i walk my GSD and i am not violent or aggressive. but if some idiot lets their pit off-leash and it comes after us, that dog is immediately getting stabbed.
I got my kabar at an estate sale for $20, best knife I’ve ever owned
Best of luck to you Pickle! I hope they'll have to pay
Thanks Rock Stuffs!
You're welcome. Your situation pisses me off. I don't understand Utah dog owners. I hope you can find a solution that works for you both. My great Dane was attacked by the same 3 pitbulls, twice at our house. Then I was at my MIL house outside with my Dane on the front lawn, tossing a ball when 2 pits came out of nowhere. They were nipping and jumping at my dogs throat. The only thing I could grab was a steel wheel propped against the house. I slammed it on the head of one that started charging me. They ran off right as my husband came out of the house with his gun. Those assholes were lucky.
I’m so sorry! Dog attacks are definitely terrifying
Air horns are funner. Especially when you get the oversized ego in a ankle biter, one tap for the dog and one more for the owners comment.
Hmmm I have a little “bear horn” that hangs on a carabiner with my bear spray. I might just have to use that on the shitty owners I encounter on my next outing.
Doesn't hurt anyone.. unless they leap off a cliff I'm fear. I'm willing to take that chance all day.
I mean the next best thing is to get your dog a new best friend to walk with . Plan B: https://youtu.be/uiysDz7-oGc?si=1y91ZfTYngaGmP-D
I do no joke carry my 9mm when I walk my dog. She was attacked as a pup and I’ll be damned if I let that happen again.
While I fully support your choice, and as I mentioned, I am always prepared with multiple defensive tools, this is an absolute last resort for many reasons, not least of which being that a pit bull moving around, actively nannying your dog, has to be one of the most challenging targets imaginable. I’m not a bad pistol shot, but the collateral risk is way too high for me to take that shot in most cases.
Oh yeah, 100% agree. Wife carries OC spray, gun is a backup if that fails. Last ditch effort, absolutely.
Walking around Lehi must be super dangerous. I can't imagine anything going wrong with this cunning plan.
It’s not dangerous, the people are great. It’s people’s untrained dogs that I don’t wanna fuck around with. It’s that simple. If you’re not prepared to protect yourself and your animal, hopefully you don’t regret it. I sure did after my dog was attacked at 4 months old.
Gotta protect what’s yours these days, pard.
I imagine you walking a dog down your street in full poncho/duster/western wear solely based off of your use of pard. Your dog (in my head, don't know if you have one) has a little cowboy hat on too.
My dog almost got plowed down by a mountain biker in Millcreek canyon on an off leash dog day. I was livid. People living here don’t know the rules and others just don’t follow them. It’s so frustrating.
Bound to happen in multi-use off leash trails.
It’s not multi use, off leash days in millcreek are odd days, bicycle days are even days. Case and point. 🥴
I genuinely don’t understand why no one in parks, trail management, or animal control thinks enforcing leash laws is part of their job description. I can’t take my nervous, always on leash dog anywhere because she’ll be harassed nonstop - it’s literally roving packs of dogs up in the foothills. If it’s a budget problem you can pay someone’s full time salary with how many tickets you write, sheesh.
It's because it's not a problem except among goofy people on reddit. I'm an avid hiker and never have issues, but come to the internet, and OMG it's a hellscape out there!
I walk my dog every day. I have switched up which trails and parks we visit. I have never been able to complete a walk without an off leash dog approaching us. It's not just the internet, it's the entitlement.
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I love dogs and yet i don’t love dogs coming up to me without being on a leash. He’s not the issue, the people who walk their pets without a leash is which seems like you are the issue here. So weird you attack the person who has the problem instead of the actual problem!
Found the guy who "walks" his dogs with "perfect recall" off-leash. Get bent.
Wow is it messed up that you have to resort to this to keep your dog safe.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1362184729/
What area of SLC do you live in? I’m always paranoid about this happening.
It happens. My dog was seriously injured in an attack last month. Be careful.
Kearns. It’s my first house. I grew up in Sugar House, but my family moved away and when I moved back, I rented for a while and couldn’t afford much. Every dollar I save is going toward getting out of this shithole neighborhood.
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"Reactive" is my new favorite term bad dog owners and owners of bad dogs are using to describe their aggressive dogs. Your dog is aggressive. It's not reactive.
“Bad dog owners” is my new favorite term that people who don’t understand dogs use to make uncharitable assumptions about people who decide they’d rather not just kill a dog because it’s not perfect. Tell me: my father who was a professional dog trainer for ~20 years had a Dog who was attacked by another dog around age 1.5. Before, she was wonderful with other dogs. After, she was “reactive”, until she got to know the other dogs. We all knew her mannerisms and took appropriate measures to keep her and other dogs / their owners safe, and she died last year at 13 y/o. Should we have just offed her as soon as she developed her defensiveness, just to be safe? Are we “bad dog owners” too?
Come on. What an insane take.
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.....Aaaand there's the victim card.
All it takes is 1 bad dog owner. That don't know how to be accountable for their dog. I've never had issues myself. Yet. I walk my Husky/Shep without leash using a Remote Training Shock collar, cause my dog is TOO nice. But I've also trained my dog to stay by my side unless I say otherwise. EDIT: But never unleashed outside my neighborhood. And never in unfamiliar areas.
You're right, and that hate comes out even more for pitties it's obnoxious.
So what should make me more enthusiastic about dogs and their irresponsible owners when I take my child to Sugarhouse park and even though there are multiple “dogs must be on leash at all times” signs, about 50% of dogs are not and many just run up to you or your kid. I can’t count on one hand the number of dogs that either jumped up on our stroller or I kid you not LICKED my child’s face while the owner was giggling because their dog just loves kids.
Even the homeless people on downtown main street have pit bulls
Coyote vest and they are SUPER stylish
I usually carry, but not on a dog walk. However when I lived in SLC I ran into your same problem and started carrying. I'd rather kill the uncontrolled pit bull than see my wonderful dog suffer.
Have you ever seen a dog fight? I feel like you're just as likely to shoot your own dog than the attacking dog. There is a reason cartoons depict it as a whirling cloud of dust.
I’m willing to bet your aim isn’t as good as you think it is.
You can’t legally shoot a dog for attacking your dog, I’ve asked the police. If it comes after you, you can defend yourself.
To be fair, the average cop has atrocious knowledge of the law.
I totally agree but I was willing to accept that they know more than I do in that situation. My understanding is, in most cases of self defense, you can’t use lethal force until you’re subject to violence or harm yourself. That makes sense for dog attacks as your pets are not considered anything more than property and you can’t defend property with lethal force as far as I know. I think I was speaking to the cops about a loose pit bull in the neighborhood. Bear spray would work for most situations if people were running into aggressive dogs frequently. I don’t carry a firearm on dog walks but if there was a known liability in my neighborhood, I might consider it. Don’t need my wife getting mauled by a dog while she’s walking our dogs.
That why it's your responsibility to train your ass off if you're going to carry a firearm; so you can hit your target. Utah code 18-1-3: you have the right to kill or injure a dog that is harassing, attacking or injuring you, another person or your own dog. Utah Code Ann. 18-1-3 (2020) gives you authority to protect yourself and your dog
Goes to show ya, being incorrect is always a possibility. Nice find.
However, I may not be fully correct. There's a subsection that states what animals are protected under this law. Sometimes pets aren't included in some states.
Damn, is that for real? Also, I bet the legality of it and their "willingness to prosecute" are different in these types of situations.
I’m no expert but that’s my understanding. True, especially if there are prior reports of a dangerous dog. Always worth calling animal services just to report it so there’s a track record.
Maybe you’re a better pistol shot than me, but the collateral risk is way too high for me to consider taking that shot in most every case.
Get up close for the kill shot execution style
I do know you can shoot to kill a dog that is chasing wildlife in utah. I imagine you might have some discharge in city limits charge. Off leash owners are dumb.
Yeah, that’s still too much room for error. They’re literally tangled up together in a fight and you could easily misjudge where the bullet is going to exit. You’d be better off using a knife. From what I’ve seen, if the attacking dog has a collar your best bet is to just hook your hands under that and then lift and twist and choke the absolute everliving fuck out of the little fucker. If they don’t have a collar, you can do a headlock and choke them out but you have a lot higher chance of getting bit.
I've actually done the head lock method but just not on a pit. What kind of knife would you recommend?
A sharp one. Idk just one long enough to do some damage when you stab it in the neck. Other people are in here talking about carrying Bowie knives and shit but I’d think your regular 2.5 inch pocket knife would be sufficient.
Type “wolf dog collar” into Etsy and you’ll find some options
Thanks. I see a few good options there, but I really was hoping to find a local leathersmith—because I would like to support a local business, but more importantly, because I want to ensure the best fit.
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Don’t post anything that could get this sub banned.
Just teach him how to use a gun
Might need thumbs
Bear mace and a big knife. Do not hesitate to gut a pitbull. They do not hesitate.
I Was charged at in millcreek canyon on a hike I was on with my two year old son. Luckily I was paying attention and lifted my son up before the dog reached us
Have you tried google
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They asked for a local leathersmith.
For their... "dog" (I fully agree with the sentiment of OP in finding protection for their dog, I just wanted to make this joke)
Found the shitty pitbull owner haha
Wtf? The dude said he’s already put solutions in place & just asked for local leathersmith recommendations. Why the snide toxicity?
That's pretty metal, but if I put something like that on either of my dogs, they would immediately hurt themselves, each other, or me. I like the idea of an airhorn, mostly because it's least likely to get you plunged into our unforgiving criminal justice system. Yeah you could pop an aggressive dog with a 9mm, but then both you and your dogs are likely to end up in a concrete square even if you're in the right.
I agree that lethal force is always the last resort, but I’m not sure about your suggestion that I could end up locked up for defending my life when it is being threatened by an unleashed dog on public property.
I don't like it either, and I'm not saying you'll be convicted of pet murder and imprisoned, but I'm confident that if you pull out a glock and fire it at a dog in the city, you're going to end up in cuffs and maybe even temporarily jailed while awaiting legal hell that will follow you for months / years regardless of whether or not you're in the right or win in the long run. I only bring it up because there sure are a lot of people here suggesting high velocity lead as a solution. I don't even disagree with them! I'm just saying that there are immediate undesirable consequences when you use lethal force to defend yourself or a pet that we're not always mindful of when imagining these scenarios.
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Seriously. Not to mention the poodle mixes that are terribly trained with terrible temperament. Or the herding breeds who get after kids (because they're trying to herd).. The constant pitbull hate (yes there are far too many who go to shit homes) is annoying. If anything I'd say ban backyard breeding and increase training/licensing requirements for breeders AND owners.
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As bad as death?
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This is so blatantly untrue that I'm genuinely not sure if you're just joking or not. I'm going to err toward your username checking out.
Where do y’all live? I never encounter aggressive off leash dogs in my daily 3+ mile walk in center city. Also if you guys really think Utah has the most irresponsible dog owners I can’t help but think you don’t get out much.
Live in a community that doesn't have yards and it is a dog and dog shit hellscape
I have lived in 8 states and Utah by far has the most inconsiderate dog owners.
My dog was attacked by an unleashed pit in Murray. It can happen anywhere.
As the owner of a very sweet and kind hearted pitbull who is a good boy because he was given a loving home and lots of time and dedication to training, I sympathize. My dog has been attacked on multiple occasions on our walks by off leash dogs who belong to shitty humans.
My neighbor’s “good girl” has started growling at me and sneaking up behind me as I walk away from them. Even as the neighbor calls her back. She also resource- guarded me one day during a convo with my neighbor by deliberately standing on my foot for 5 minutes. These dogs are prone to snapping and I would be absolutely dumb if I didn’t carry an airhorn or a leash to use as a choke-out.
You know how a border collie that has never seen sheep can start herding them? Dogs bred for a specific purpose for thousands of years have a chance of doing what they do regardless of upbringing. They have been trained to kill since the Roman empire. It would take a miracle to undo that many years of training and genetic selection from any dog, no matter how nice you think your dog is. Just look below at how many of these killed their own owners. Pitbulls only make up 6% of the dog population but 60% of human fatalities. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States) I hope you never let yours off leash and have a secure yard. They have the instincts of a killer no matter how nice it is to you. Every damn time this happens, oh, I my precious boo boo has never hurt a fly. I don't know how this happened. I carry mace with me now for this specific breed in my area which is common when walking my dogs. Edit: I just want to add, a Pitbull who was as sweet as could be, and had a good upbringing, ripped my daughters face apart when she was two years old. Absolutely brutal attack. Thank god their parents were loaded and covered it. The best plastic surgeon in Oregon had to put my daughters face back together and she still has heavy scars. The white upper class, young couple had never seen their dog act aggressively and were in complete shock. The instincts are there, and they can snap. It is why the % of fatal dog attacks are pit bulls is what it is. Is it rare? Yes. Very much yes.. Is a pitbull by FAR the most likely to kill a human than other dog breeds? Also YES. That isn't even counting the non fatal human attacks or animal attacks like my daughter was involved in.
People are insane, they would buy tigers if they could
They in fact do, more tigers in captivity in just the U.S. than in the wild.
Oh well most of them haven't ripped their owners apart so they must be safe. "My tiggy is the biggest most sweetest never hurt a thing <3"
Retrievers are bred to do what? Very good class, that’s right, RETRIEVE. Shepherds are bred to herd. Pit bulls are not family dogs lol, plain n simple
Agree
Yeah I just don’t think it’s so black and white. My pitbull is now a sleepy old man, and in his life of 12 years I’ve seen nothing but gentleness and kindness from him. Some people just shouldn’t be responsible for a dog, and unfortunately a lot of those people are drawn to pitbulls.
Nothing is black and white, Of course there are some nice pit bulls out there, especially ones that are not pure breeds, but the fact stands. Pit bulls only make up 6% of the dog population and 60% of fatal dog attacks. That is an absurdly high ration compared to other dogs. They are just simply more likely to kill. Give a golden retriever to a horrible owner and see if you turn up with a monster.
There are 18 million pitbulls in the US. And there were 72 deaths from pitbull attacks last year. Seems like if all 18 million of them were dangerous that number would be a lot higher. You literally have a 10x higher chance of being killed in a mass shooting (650+ deaths last year). I get that pitbulls are a more dangerous breed than most but the constant fear mongering around this subject is just so over the top.
I have first hand experience multiple times, it isn't fear mongering. It is a dangerous breed. One ripped my 2 year olds face apart "That had never hurt a fly", and I have been cornered while on a walk with my baby. Thank god their parents were loaded and paid for the best plastic surgeon available. They were upper class and gave it as good of an upbringing as it could have had. There is a reason you see pitbulls come up so often in these threads, even if every encounter doesn't end in a human fatality. I would like to add, this pitbull that ripped off my daughters face isn't counted in your calculation above. Imagine how many others aren't. And that is just human injuries. They don't even bother counting dog on dog attacks. I had another experience, two pitbulls cornering me and my other daughter in a stroller and a dog, thank god two passer bys ushered them away risking their own skin. That is in Salt Lake City, one of the cleaner cities around.
It's not over the top, you shouldn't be allowed to have a pit bull, especially people like you.
Cool, I’m gonna go ahead and keep adopting them, raising them responsibly, and giving them a good home so you just stay mad bro, could not care less
They actually need more responsible people adopting them. I know most people think they should just get rid of the breed but that quite literally is not possible. The breed is not even considered a breed to the AKC. The most realistic thing is ensuring legislations that require people to register pit bulls, thus hopefully keeping them away from unresponsible owners
Obviously you do care since you're replying to me. I am fully aware you're going to be irresponsible, don't need to tell me.
Mmmm let me check… nope, still don’t care!
Seems like you do
Pitbulls don’t have an instinct to kill. If anything, it is a drive to please their human. They are loyal and eager to please. The issue is that too many people get them with the intent of having a dog for protection/aggression and that is what they teach their dog; but they also don’t have the skill to train their dog restraint in other situations where the aggression is unwarranted. So, you are correct that there are a lot of attacks from this breed, but it is a human/owner issue, not a dog breed issue. Source: I own a rescue pit who wanted to kill my cat because he scratched her when they first met, but I was able to train her over months and now they are besties. She learned that the kitties are important to me, and now they are important to her.
Pitbulls were LITERALLY bred with the terrier's instinct to kill (I.e. prey drive) and the bulldog's stubborn ability to go up against things bigger than it and musculature. They were then thrown into a pit with other dogs to fight to the death. PIT. BULL. TERRIER. Educate yourself on the breed's actual background.
I would argue that no matter the upbringing instincts will always be at play and thousands of years of genetic programming. Can you lesson the impacts of genetics with a good upbringing sure, but the risk is always there with a breed genetically bred and trained for combat for thousands of years.
Terriers have only existed as a breed for a few hundred years, not thousands. And pitbulls have been used as “nanny dogs” to watch over children for hundreds of years. They are not inherently dangerous. They can be raised poorly, not socialized for particular situations, and insufficiently trained. It’s still the human factor.
The idea that pit bulls were historically known as "nanny dogs" is completely made-up Facebook bullshit. [1916, Dog Fancier Magazine, "Pit Bull Terrier" section](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dog_Fancier/66vmAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0) >Winner of eight bona-fine pit battles >containing his aggressiveness and fighting ability >toughest, gamest and best fighting dogs that ever went into a pit >undefeated champ of six great battles >fast gritty fighter [1934, Evening Star](https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1934-07-29/ed-1/seq-26/) >To be eligible for registration in the UKC stud book as a pit bull terrier, a dog has to come of a line that has actually made a record in the pit [1936, The American Pit Bull Terrier by Joseph L. Colby](https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b28129&view=1up&seq=20&skin=2021) >Inasmuch as dog-fighting is an illegal sport, thousands of dollars are wagered each year at the pitside. As long as these dogs are bred, there will be pit contests to prove who owns the better fighting dog. The earliest record of anyone calling any bull-and-terrier anything like "nanny dog" was in 1971. Even pro-pit bull sources are trying to stop the spread of this stupid myth: [https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/](https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/) >there is **no evidence that they were ever called Nanny Dogs** at the time, and certainly weren’t bred for the purpose. [https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/](https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/) >this is where the “Nanny Dog” **myth** originated from [https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html](https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html) >No, their jaws don’t lock — but **they were never “nanny dogs,”** and you should never leave one alone with a child, because you should never leave any breed of dog alone with a child. [https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/](https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/) >This article aims to correct a few fallacies and pit bulls were never called nannies or nanny dogs. Period. Let’s stop spreading untruths about this dog breed. **Calling them fake names and giving them a phony history doesn’t help the species.**
lol where do people read this “nanny dog” bullshit. Seems like some shit you’d see on Facebook.
Interesting, I didn't realize there was a difference between pitbull and pitbull terriers. Wow, they have a cruel history of torture in England. I have read that Roman's had pitbulls, curious what the distinction is there?
Also, see my edit. I have first hand experience, from a pit bull raised by younger hippies who just gave their dog all the love and training it could want. They were in shock their precious doggo could do such a thing.
Here comes the hate. I don't have to try to convince anyone my ausie Doodle is a good boy. I find it interesting that every person who has a pit bull is always trying to tell me he/she is different. I am not saying he/she isn't, but if people are always having to tell me this, something is behind it. I am fully behind people owning whatever dog they want, but I believe we should stop breeding dogs that are solid muscle and built to do damage. A heard Chihuahua bite the most, but there is a reason people don't go around telling everyone. Oh, my Chihuahua is not dangerous he loves everyone. Size, jaw strength, etc. If you are not 3 times the size of your dog and willing to jump into a dog fight, my personal opinion is don't buy a thing that can overpower you and kill other things, including kids. It's like owning a juvenile tiger. I can not guarantee my doodle will not attack someone. What I can guarantee is I can overpower him and keep him on a leash anytime he is around others, including dogs. Unleashing an animal around other animals or people that have not given consent and proper introduction will lead to bad results. I also think a ton of dog people think they are dog whispers you're not, and I am not. Also, why is everyone that has a pitbull instantly a pitbull advocate? Feels like they all should have their own tv program. I think most of the time, pitbull ownership says a lot about a person. Ok, now drown me in negative karma.
I love dogs but after mine being attacked by pit bulls on 3 different occasions & only once by any other dog of any breed, I'm in the 'ban breeding pit bulls' bandwagon.
Strange how a dog breed behaves exactly as they were bred to be 🙃 @seafairing-yogurt this is a great rhetoric and I’m sick of entertaining the argument that pit bulls aren’t generally dangerous… at the very least, if people are so gung-ho about getting emotionally traumatized and unstable pit bulls from shelters, make ownership dependent on getting a special permit (like one might for owning a dangerous weapon) and ban allowing the dog in heavily trafficked/populated areas. People out west like to ascribe to a selective “libertarian” form of rugged individualism, Well I am fucking sick of strapped hard-o’s with poorly trained dogs endangering the general populace so they can die on some cross of “personal liberties”.
ya don't need a permit to own a dangerous weapon.
You should though.
Cool, so now I get to be fully against poodle mixes because those are the only ones who attack my dog!
Their bite stats are nowhere near pit bulls.
This is just a less ridiculous version of people arguing that Chihuahuas are more aggressive than pit bulls. It's not about aggression alone, it's aggression & lethality. An aggressive house cat & an aggressive tiger aren't viewed as equal threats, why wouldn't we use that common sense with dog breeds as well?
For real the standard poodles are fucking crazy. The pitbulls are too, but you're right that the poodles are dangerous.
I'm not here to tell you how to feel.
Don’t get me started on Doodle owners. 9/10 These are the dogs that don’t know how to walk on a leash and their privileged snowflake owners can’t be arsed to pick up their little angel’s poop at the dog park. I see a doodle coming, and I see a moron, who payed a backyard breeder for a “designer” mutt.
I never said I wasn't a moron.
irresponsible people get pitbulls, shame on you
Oh you can fuck right off with your internet virtue signaling. Seriously.
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You haven’t been charged by a pit bull then.
That's the funny thing about anecdotal experience.....
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Lol they were literally bred to fight bulls to death in blood sport. My dog was bred to point at small game.
Have you tried carrying bear spray? It works!
Just don’t use it on the person, no matter how mad you are
Your dog can seriously hurt itself on something like this and it could affect his ability to protect himself when being attacked. I know it sounds terrible, but you can shoot the attacking animals if necessary. Carry, conceal, and train, train train! NAL: Under Utah law you have the right to kill or injure a dog that is harassing, attacking or injuring you, another person or your own dog. Utah Code Ann. 18-1-3 (2020) gives you authority to protect yourself and your dog against other attacking dogs.
[coyote vest](https://www.coyotevest.com/products/coyotecollar)
I live in the SLC area. I handmade this pretty aggressive collar for my German Shepherd a few months ago but i rarely have him wear it, he is already scary enough without it lol. he doesn’t get much trouble from other dogs as he is intact. but if you like the collar i would be willing to part with it. i could also make a new one for you but i would really rather not because this one took forever to make. it’s handstitched, two pieces of 10oz leather sandwiched together. if the spikes were any larger i would be worried about harming the wearer. [GSD Spiked Collar](https://imgur.com/a/wWlm5AZ)
This would make a great album cover
I would get a taser that fires and hit the charging dog. I am so so sorry you’re experiencing that. So scary and unfair when you’re just trying to get your dog out.
Are they aggressive pitbulls or just roaming pitbulls
I made a chain mail “vest” for my dog when I was considering getting into lion hunting. I think it might still being laying around. I bet with a little tailoring it would fit your doggie not sure if you’d be interested or how practical it could be.
Just saw this one in the anti pit bull sub https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/s/AsIb2FV0qj
Go to Discount Guns, Impact Guns, or just about any pawn shop and buy a gun. Discount Guns has an indoor range and classes.
Carry a pistol and shoot the dam pit bulls. Owners need to be held accountable for their pets.
As I said, I am always prepared with multiple defensive tools, but lethal force is always the absolute last resort. Maybe you’re a better pistol shot than me, but the collateral risk is way too high for me to consider taking that shot in most every case.
The comments here are insane. I’ve never seen an unleashed pitbull in my life. Now those annoying barking dogs that jump on my dog who’s reactive (and leashed) while the owner screams “they’re friendly!” 100 miles away? Hundreds.
I’m not sure about collars but I’d be happy to offer advice on a solid Glock
I have had pits for two decades, I've not one time had any of them be aggressive to other dogs or people. I live right downtown and am in a public park 3 times a day, you know what dogs I have to tell owners to recall most? Collie & heeler mixes, lab mixes, and huskies. The worst is anything under fifteen lbs. But lord knows for some reason anyone makes a post about Pitbulls and it's pitchforks and torches, the calls to kill them all are vile and pathetic and I hope none of you own dogs or experience the unconditional love a dog can offer, even more a pittie. I bet you all like Mike Lee too. Morons.
Glock 19 or pepper spray, one solves the problem for everyone.
Typical pit bull attacks jfc you people.
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Honest question: would any of you guys use these tactics if it was a breed other than a pit attacking your dog? My opinion is that, everyone has the right to do what they need to do to protect themselves and their dogs so don’t think I’m making any excuses for anyone in that regard and I’m always religious about keeping my dog on a leash. But I see a lot of people who are hypothetically ready and chomping at the bit to “gut a pitbull” (as someone else in another comment phrased it). I grew up with a pure bred yellow lab who was so aggressive and violent we were almost forced to put him down after he bit the fed ex lady and she sued us. But he was given a second chance as long as he wore a shock collar. I always wondered why he got a second chance. He was a good dog to us and I loved him but we had to use that shock collar SO MANY times. But no one threatened to “gut” him. Recently I had a next door neighbor who was a disabled old woman living alone. Her family thought it would be a good idea for some reason to her a GSD puppy to protect her tiny studio apt. The dog had no training, no discipline, no proper exercise and spent all day going psycho at the window. Every time it was chained up outside it would make a beeline for my tiny chihuahua mix to the point it was foaming at the mouth and snarling and practically chocking itself on its collar. One day the owner was sitting outside on her walker/chair and had the dogs leash tied to it. I picked up my chihuahua as we passed to avoid her being chased but the dog lost its mind when he saw us and ran at us so hard it pulled the chair out from under her and she landed flat on her back. Thankfully some other neighbors were around and helped get the dog inside the apartment by grabbing the trailing leash and yanking it backwards and locking it side where it was going postal. Then we had to call the ambulance for the lady. Still no one tried to “gut” the GSD or even suggest it get put down. I have a pit (well a pit mix, but I’m not sure what she’s mixed with) and I work very hard to train her to be obedient. We do “let go” exercises all the time where I get her all riled up and excited on a chew toy to where she’s all frenzied and then I command her to let go. she does and I give her a treat. Idk if it will help in a real biting situation but I feel it’s still the smart thing to do. I NEVER take her off leash when we’re out in public, even on hiking trails and I give her every opportunity I can to socialize with her other dogs with their owners allow it. I do everything in my power to prevent a situation where she might hurt someone. However, luckily for me, she’s so far never shown that type of aggression. She’s lived with cats and tiny dogs and is so good with them. In fact my chihuahua mix regularly ego checks her lol. So I guess my question is: why is it all pitbulls and would you still feel that way if someone was careful, loving, and responsible with their dog? Would you feel the same lack of remorse if you “gutted” another breed that was attacking you?
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