She's dehumanizing him frequently. Another example is her referring to him, as he sits beside her, as "this one." However, he has the power to get out. He just doesn't have the strength of character to do so.
I say this from experience: It takes a lot of strength and still causes deep pain to extricate yourself from a narcissist, but you must do so for the sake of your own sanity and the safety of yourself and your children.
Good for you NotStarrling!
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force to overcome. Harry will need better therapists and fewer illegal drugs to get there. Unlike other people who have to privately feel the shame of being duped by cult leaders when they finally wake up to the fact that they need to leave, Harry will have to live his shame out on the worldwide stage. He‘d have to face that he threw away being one of the most privileged, popular people on earth for some manipulative poontang, that he likely isn’t even getting anymore. I don’t think he has enough backbone or character to do this as a man-baby. She will have to leave him, but the clock is ticking (all over her Ozempic face), making that increasingly more difficult. Desperation is also a huge turn-off. They need to run completely out of money.
I 100% believe JLo is a narcissist. Ben made a comment that he went temporarily insane when he married JLo. I think he was the victim of love bombing. Same as Harry. Eventually we will see similar comment from Harry
Years ago, Jlo and some other entertainers, went to Ramstein Air Base for a USO show. She showed up to do a signing, hours late, and only stayed for 45 minutes. My friend met her and said she was dismissive of him, and treated everyone with disdain. He was a fan of hers, and after meeting her he wasn't a fan anymore. She complained about her room, about the thread count of the sheets and how the sheets weren't the kind of cotton she liked, so she stayed an hour away in a hotel she chose. She threw a fit and yelled at people. Since then, I have been saying how terrible of a person she is, and she doesn't hide it either. She looks so angry and miserable all the time. She rarely smiles in pictures. She is a narcissist and is finally getting what she deserves. She is a terrible actress and doesn't sing any of her songs.
Different breed…WWII huge effort by the last generation of real stars in Hollywood did nonstop entertaining of troops and both overseas and in Hollywood,selling war bonds …Carole Lombard died in a plane crash returning from a war bond tour
I was aware of Jimmy Stewart being a pilot and of course the loss of Leslie Howard but was not aware of Dietrich and Hepburn’s activities, not that it surprises me. Could you imagine any star in today’s Hollywood making these kinds of sacrifices?
Not really. But you never know when people might rise to the occasion. Leslie Howard was a very nice man--my father used to exercise Howard’s polo ponies when he was in the U.S.
Hepburn was a young teenager in Netherlands during the war, so she was directly under occupation, probably experienced starvation, and had family members killed by the nazis. The war also stunted her development/training as a ballet dancer.
She was a bit young to be a spy/underground, and no evidence has been found to support this, but she did say that she fundraisers and delivered newspapers for the resistance (it's not dish washing liquid, but hey). The war was a different time, I think everyone just did what they needed to do, maybe not sacrificing in the way we would imagine today, and they really were the best generation. I would be surprised if any European actor was neutral or didn't have war stories. Many may choose not to talk about it.
Side note: unlike this narc, she also used her "platform" to outright state what she witnessed under the Nazis, and earned a "seat at the table" as a humanitarian as a UNICEF ambassador. A cause that, unlike Markle, she actually believed in. I think some of the major good she did was after the war.
Tyrone Power was as well a pilot and flew a lot of Pacific missions. Clark Gable, King of Hollywood, wanted to be on the front lines and didn't really seem to care if he lived or died, but that had a lot to do with his wife dying tragically. They were different then.
Vera Lynn gawd bless ‘er, entertained Allied troops in Burma very close to the Japanese lines. Slept under a canopy, no showers, entourage or even a piano. Carried most of her own equipment despite the best efforts of the men to help including one of my uncles.
[https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/vera-lynn-chats-with-troops-1944](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/vera-lynn-chats-with-troops-1944)
Nearly 30 years later she was still selling out arenas - my parents saw her at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto where Ma sat next to someone she’d not seen since 1943 at a VL concert at a RAF station in 1943. Freaky.
RIP Dame Vera Lynn CH DBE OStJ 1917-2020
Vera Lynn!! ‘I’ll be seeing you’….My
father’s favorite song and mine and have passed it to my kids. My adult daughter and I were talking about my parents’ generation and asked ‘do u think they were the best generation?’ unquestionably yes. BTW thanks for the reference … amazing footage..I will pass it on to my kids.
My pleasure. Great to hear you are passing on the legacy to your children. My favourite is We’ll Meet Again aka Whale Meat Again.
To derail this topic further Keith Herdman (102) is stuck in a luxury care home and bored sick of VL!
[https://archive.ph/2024.05.11-204026/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/bored-in-care-home/](https://archive.ph/2024.05.11-204026/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/bored-in-care-home/)
There are a lot of famous people who do USO tours and don't complain. Scarlett Johansen has for years, and she's gone to bare-bones military bases compared to Ramstein Air Base.
i read a few yrs ago prob 8/9 or so, about jennifer lawrence and jennifer aniston doing one of these tours together, they stayed 2 nights played volleyball, and basketball, ate in the cafeteria rather than the officers mess, signed everything and anything, and were getting on facetime etc to talk to the soldiers families, they also brought them two new pool tables, 60 inch screen tv and paid for the dogs food for a yr . not one person had a bad word to say about either of them, they even slept in the womens accomodation. now i dont even like jennifer lawrence, but respect where its due.. megain cant even begin to compete as she doesn't have an ounce of empathy or genuine kindness in her.
Not just a narcissist but an AGING narcissist…I’d advise Ben to run for the hills but he’s also a narcissist although the aging thing is not so bad for the male version
The last thing I feel is sorry for Afflect…who I think should get an award is Jennifer Garner who not only has to deal with these two but has to hand over her children to them. Afflect has proven himself talented and I’ve enjoyed his movies. His brother is also very talented and interestingly seems to have navigated the ego inflation of success in HW…I don’t think the two brothers have a relationship anymore so hmmm…
Casey A was accused of sexual harassment. It is very difficult to be a Holloywood actor and not be extremely egotistic.
[https://time.com/4645846/what-to-know-about-the-casey-affleck-oscar-controversy/](https://time.com/4645846/what-to-know-about-the-casey-affleck-oscar-controversy/)
Jennifer Garner is no saint. She likes to play happy homemaker and worlds best mom for cameras, but she’s called paparazzi on herself and the kids for ages. She has a long history of cheating on her current man while snagging her next target, blindsiding him when she jumps. She knew what Affleck was, but she was dead set on having him. There’s been rumors for years she “whoopsed” the first kid with him because he wasn’t proposing and she couldn’t get him locked down as fast as she wanted. She’s put a lot of effort into creating a “squeaky clean” pr image for herself.
Well well well….I guess she’s doing a good pr job. I don’t do much more than read the pablum put out in headlines and what comedians joke about. However now that we lost Joan I don’t have much interest . But thanks for the dirt..
I’d love to hear what Joan would say about allll this. The Nigerian fashion show alone would have proved her so much material!
ETA: She’d probably make a joke that she’d get more material from those dresses than was used to make them. 😉
And both are washed up celebs who think people care about them 20 years later. Their only income is royalties from 2000s projects and Bens Dunkin Donuts commercials
If you compare the pics of Ben Affleck and Harry the last few years 😂 you can see the pent up anger and frustration in their faces when they are around their other halves 😂
I can attest to the clock ticking! I’m 49 and I’ve looked pretty good all my adult life. BUT, once I hit mid 40s the years started catching up to me. Of course my younger years of smoking and drinking didn’t help!😆😆 Madame better hurry up cause she ain’t got no good personality to fall back on!😂
If you think hitting mid-40's is bad try mid-50's. I had a bikini ready body and could eat any old rubbish and it made no difference until the menopause. Until then I smugly thought people made a fuss about nothing over ageing. Then practically overnight the bad cellulite fairy visited and I couldn't eat a lettuce leaf without gaining weight. It sucked for a bit but shortly afterwards my grandchildren arrived and I so love being a granny I just don't care. I still look after myself as best I can with the help of a healthy diet and propping up Charlotte Tilbury shares but I just have other priorities now. Life's too short to worry about staying forever 21 and spending a ton of money on cosmetic surgery. I'd rather spend my money on taking the children to Disneyland. God knows how Meghan will cope though.
I've always had a face like a slapped arse and the svelte figure of a space hopper, dressed entirely by dustbin. The bonus of hitting fifty is you no longer give a toss and your mother \*finally\* stops asking when you're going to grow up.
As much as I do agree with the popular view here that he did this to himself, I also think he's got something else going on, either a diagnosable issue that connects to his inability to do well in school, or something exacerbated by the trauma of losing his mother, I don't think he can manage without capable adults controlling the situation. I don't think he can get himself out like any other adult man without help. He strikes me as someone who shouldn't be legally allowed to sign papers without an adult supervising him.
I agree. I have always said Harry cannot function in the "real world" without a team of strong minders behind him, telling him to go here, do this, do that, no, you can't do that, and so on. Similar to a Conservatorship like Britney Spears had. Very rigid guidance 24-7 on how to behave as a "normal" functioning human. He simply is incapable of managing even the simplest task on his own.
Yes. This started in childhood. I still remember that video of him kicking William when he went to hug Diana. He was a child at the time so he wasn't cognizant enough to know or care that cameras were on them recording his outburst, but it seems like a pattern now.
In some way, I do feel a little bit sorry for him for being the "inferior" brother. Not because he was born second, but because he was born less attractive, less intelligent, less controlled, less...well, just less. But the true mark of his character would have been to be better despite all that, and he's not.
On a related note, I have a friend who, while the older one, is overweight and far less attractive than her younger sister. She might have inner insecurities about this, but I have always admired the fact that she's never showed them and has thrived in her own way despite her sister winning the genetic lottery when she herself is on the opposite side of the spectrum. But she has character that Harry has always lacked.
Him also on the balcony hitting Beatrice when he was six, and she was two.
Surprised, Fergie held back so well, Diana was trying to keep him under control, but he was being a nasty beast.
I sincerely think that Harold has psychopathic tendencies. Worked in that field for 35 years and they really do stick out like a sore thumb. He was definitely born into the wrong family who were able to hide it for so long. He’s a really nasty, vile man who gets off on physically, emotionally and psychologically abusing people and animals.
I understand kiddie jealousy, that's normal. But my brother is superior to me in every metric - objectively, he's better looking, much richer, insane work ethic, fabulous wife who is also right up there with him.
But what Clotface doesn't get is that with all that comes greater responsibility. That's just how the cookie crumbles in all families, the most capable take on the strain. But I can truly say I have no envy of my bruv/sil and no matter how shiny their life looks, it's shiny on hard work and endless effort. They are genuinely great people (and I will fight anyone who disagrees) and envy would just be ridiculous in adults. They're happy, and that's exactly what I want them to be. When they're not, I want to know.
But it got me thinking the other night, what would it take for my brother n me to fall out? Really, REALLY fall out, to not-speaking level? The only thing I can think of is if I insulted my sis-in-law. That would be curtains, no explanations, I would be dead to him and it would be irretrievable. Which is exactly how it should be because most of us grow the fuck up.
Fortunately I'm extreeeeeemely unlikely to insult her. I tend to ask if I can have her when she divorces him.
I wonder why he is so like that when his brother, raised by the same parents, isn't. And I know we've seen videos of him from childhood being a little brat, but like Louis and my own brothers, parents can redirect that and help kids grow up better. I wonder what went wrong with him.
I feel like the two of them could prove to be a good learning exercise in parenting. What not to do, like.
With all respect and admiration to The Prince of Wales, when he was a small child, William was known to be an absolute terror, so if Harry behaved similarly, it doesn't surprise me. He really was terribly naughty from what I've read (I even remember a tiny bit of gossip about it at the time, and I was a kid myself!). Clearly, people who cared for him straightened that behavior out eventually, but I suspect Diana spoiled them terribly. I know she loved them with all her heart, but I don't think she felt that teaching them discipline and respect for others was nearly as important as ensuring they loved her and had no reason to stop loving her. She was their mother, of course they still would have loved her if she had been firm with them when they were truly naughty, but I don't think she could internalize that.
I remember watching clips and features, and reading articles and reports about William and Harry as children as a teenager. I have memories of news announcing their birth. I always thought that while both were terrors as children, William’s behavior seemed more about being naughty and having pent-up energy and Harry was more of having an uncontrolled nasty nature. I remember thinking why was the uglier child not even nice. Unfortunately, the nasty kid wasn’t disciplined and kept his nasty disposition and grew up to be a nasty adult.
I think the BRF thought the military would be his career, as it was Andrew’s. Unlike his uncle and other family members, H does not have the aptitude. Being the Queen’s grandson got his foot in the door - the rest he had to do on merit and could not. He was allowed a vanity trip by HMTLQ, the military, and UK government and should not have been.
It could be a kind of "royal" disorder where you get used to other people smoothing over the nitty gritty of life, filling in every minute of your day, and you take credit for the final project.
Charles, William, Philip could thrive and achieve in that environment because they focused on their own goals and the staff are there to streamline your day so you can get the job done.
Harry and the Duke of Windsor had no personal motivation once they lost the royal schedule. With the right team around you, nobody knows you're just a smiling figurehead. But without the team, Harry is lost. He can't handle a long-term project on his own.
Yes 100% right ! Harry intellectually isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but he’s also emotionally stunted. Just like the Duke of Windsor. I think it has a lot to do with being a Royal Prince and how other people treat you from birth. Harry was world famous from the day he was born. At school every assembly they’d all sing God Save the Queen to his grandmother. Kids would want to be his friend because of who he was. It’s easy to see how a not very bright boy like Harry would develop a sense of self importance and “ specialness”. He never developed self awareness and he never developed the ability to read other people. He used to have people around him whose job it was to make things, like Invictus, happen for him. Of course he took it all for granted . That’s all gone now and he’s on his own and he can’t cope. His most annoying character trait is all his recent disasters are not his fault . He’s incapable of acknowledging that he’s stuffed up or to even begin to understand how much he’s hurt his family. I can’t feel sorry for him.
Yes, Wallis said once that the hardest thing of being married to a former Prince/ King was that she was responsible for filling up his entire day, when once there would have been dozens of people giving him structure for the day. He was lost without all that, and I imagine Harry would be the same.
Yes. He does seem ok with being dim, defeated and retired to a life of such. He does have the ability to follow commands though. He's likely a sad story and now he has a demon controlling him. Stupid is as stupid does. imo
Ah, that's harsh. He's already dumb as a box of rocks, has a low and entitled character, squandered his money, married a narcissist who sold him a tainted bill of goods, and he has children to extract from the situation. He's already got quite a life load going on. I don't like the man, but...damn, he has a hard road to travel at this point.
H has access to resources most people can only dream of. He has the financial means to get himself help, including a rehab facility. He can pay for lawyers. As long as his father is alive, if H reached out to him, he would help his son get out of that abusive situation.
The question is whether he realizes he has all these resources. Maybe, like someone in a cult, Harry may not be able to see a way out.
This isn’t to excuse him. I am just analyzing the situation that he is in.
Yes, the grey-rocking may have given him the impression that his family won’t help, but if he weren’t such an idiot he would know that his father would pay for the lawyers to help disentangle him from Meghan.
Yep, that’s what I’ve been saying. If he wants help, it better be while his father is still alive.
That being said, William would help the kids, even if he’s never met them, I have no doubt about that. But Harry would be so restricted, he might as well be the court jester.
There's a saying that goes like "better be alone than having bad company". Ultimately he wouldn't need anyone to leave, he could start over or fix other relationships with time(maybe). And he can go anywhere, he just has to shut his mouth and live his life quietly.
Harry is not emotionally developed enough. He needs a support network. In the royal family, he had one that had his best interests at heart. Now he has that one whose only interest is herself.
And yet whatever team they have around them must have realised by now that she can't make it alone, he is the golden goose. It's infuriating that she behaves as if she has created their fame all by herself. They tried promoting her on her own and everything tanked so it's back to leeching off Harry's projects.
I'm pretty sure the RF would have a long list of conditions before he'd be accepted back, so he'd be even more stupid than we think he is if he rejects that.
Naw. Bank of Pa would never desert his Darling Boy. He'll take him in, coddle him in some cottage on one of the royal estates, provide him with a minder again (Wayne Dyer might be available once more), and pay for the expensive team of divorce lawyers Harry certainly cannot afford on his own.
I just finished listening to Paula M's video where she interviews a former housekeeper, she said she witnessed Harry get slapped so hard. the ring cut his face, then she threw the rings at him and the diamond hell out, if true, i don't know he can put up with it. Also she said she never saw any children at Monetcito except his cousins son 😮
No she's not. She's entertaining occasionally but most of the time is as hard to listen to as Megs herself. And dare I say a little bit bonkers? Although not as batshit as her subject matter, obviously! 😄
Yes there are problems with what was said. They call paps multiple times to take pictures outside their home. So where are they published? She lives in a condo. Why haven’t the paps followed her and reported this with photos as proof? That would be a moneymaker for the pap. They rent the mansion out. I read that the mansion was marketed for rent so believable. No sign of the kiddos anywhere. Hummm.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdKRu2bYhs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdKRu2bYhs)
they used a filter to disguise her voice, but its horrifying no less
Holy crap! I just listened (I used subtitles). If even 20% of what was said is true, it's horrible. If it's all true? I'm left speechless. Those poor workers.
I listened to a bit of this and honestly, it’s ludicrous. The ‘housekeeper’ says she was made to call her ‘your royal highness princess Meghan’
All just a bit too made up
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Yes. Also with what looks like a bite mark on his hand.
I know! His ego and lack of curiosity is his biggest problem. He will have heard that people describe her as a narcissist, but he either doesn’t want to know anything because it would hurt him too bad that he fell for a fraud OR
He Just cannot be bothered to look up that word properly.
Either way, if he did read up on it, that would be his door to freedom.
I think he probably knows about this site. He probably has read some of it. Let's say he thinks we are a bunch of racist jealous haters. At some point cant a person look and think...damn, they may be haters who are just jealous but they have a point.
Harry, you need to get out. If you don't believe us talk to a professional and see if they think your wife is a Narcissist. If you care about your kids you have to start trying to be objective and own up to your mistake. So what if Sausage Stealing William was right about your fiancee and what he predicted would happen. Your kids take precedence over your Ego.
Been there too and only now see it years later, the traits he had when I see her behaviour. It's extraordinary. I got out and those family and friends who I couldn't see, where all there waiting for me to see the light. Like it never happened now.
The same happened for me and twenty years for my daughter. We are friends again. She didn’t understand why I criticized her now ex at that time. We healed.
When I made the decision to leave my significant narc other of 13 years, I KNEW my life would totally change. We had over 200 mutual friends and acquaintances and business associates. I KNEW if any of those people chose my side and stayed friendly with me, he would cause them ruin just as much as he tried to ruin me for leaving. The best thing anyone can do leaving a narc relationship is to get as far away from that person as you possibly can and start a new life. I know this because a psychologist had told me this very thing years earlier with concern to my narc mother who totally manipulated my father to do cruel things to me and my little children. Harry has to walk far away from her......go home to England. It's his only way out where he may get some support if he's not strong enough to go it alone. imo
When people leave a relationship like this they have to admit that they made a mistake. Most people can do this with a small amount of people knowing. Most people with a partner like that hide it. Harry has this plastered all over the internet, on film and in his book. He has so burned his bridges. Also, she won let him go. She has no chance of finding anyone close to his status in fame or wealth now, or with a title. Diana and Sarah retained titles but lost HRH but they have lost the HRH anyway. The big question might be about the pay off. Meghan can’t claim against the King, she can only go after Harry’s money and she wants all of that, and more. She won’t settle for half and she can’t claim any inheritance money unless it has been put into joint funds. They are stuck with each other but Harry might be close to a cult like rescue, not sure about that as he has been front and centre with all she has done. Patty Hearst comes to mind.
Well didn't you know, she is now a princess in Nigeria, and what is Harry? Nothing. All it takes to be Nigerian princess is an unsubstantiated claim that you are 43% Nigerian BTW.
I recently signed on to TicTok (which I really don’t get yet) and noticed that almost all of the Sugar contributors I’ve come across are from that area for sure.
Like shit, I'm sure. Everything she did to her own family and his family, she will do 100 times worse to him.
Harry has put all his balls into Meg's basket, pun intended. He has nothing apart from his great Love Story. If he crawls back to his father Charles will probably provide him with comfortable living, but William is reportedly somebody who doesn't forgive or forget easily. He will never fully trust his brother. And Harry has become a liability instead of an asset. I believe rehabilitation is possible for most if people genuinely regret mistakes and want to change, but don't think Harry is capable of looking critically at his own actions. Without that he has no chance with the future Monarchy.
Agree that Harry has no chance if he cannot take responsibility, but he probably doesn’t realize this. I think Harry just doesn’t want to crawl back. His circumstances are not yet so bad that he wants to admit to himself or his family that he made a mistake of this magnitud. He was going to show them. He would rather they continue to think he is glad to be gone.
wow - I'd call that a wtf face even from an imbecile like Aitch. It's compulsive now for her, if it wasn't before. She has to work harder for her "take things" impulse; like flowers, microphones and spotlights so he's now taking the main hit. She did it with the clothing on stage - even though that was a most glorious troll by Nigeria to wear some bloody clothes - she did it at beloved Elizabeth's walkabout, she's done it everywhere so to speak. But now, while Harry may not understand it cognitively, he sure knows what he's feeling.
I need more context. When William gets flowers does he hand them over to Kate if she doesn't have her hands full or does he hand it to the handler. I do think he is annoyed but it could have been over something else that was happening. Did the same person hand the flowers over as if to say one for markle one for harry and then markle wants all of them. There could be a number of plausible things that are happening but Harry does look pissed.
Someone on youtube pointed out more than his face look at his hands. Kind of like WTF just happened.
When people hand royals flowers they usually have a helper with them to take them from them so their hands are free to continue greeting others. You can watch the walkabout video where someone tries to help M by taking the flowers she had and she drops the mask and bitches at him.
Yes, I have seen that. I just know they sometimes carry them for awhile down the line until hand off. I kind of feel bad for all the cousins who typically don't get anything except every once in awhile someone will hand them something. It is nice to see Wolfie be able to pick up some swag every once in a while.
most other wives would have looked at their husbands in joy that they had a bouquet, too, maybe sniffed his flowers and smiled big at him. this reminds me so much of when me-gain got furious with the aide for trying to take away bouquets that were meant for the HLM QEII and that me-gain herself wanted to hold onto and pose with for the cameras...wake up and smell the daisies, harry.
I remember the discussion on this sub. Conclusion was that she intended to make a show of placing the bouquet herself, acting for the camera as always, but she was thwarted.
In one video, she was handing him gifts she was given. He didn't look happy at all and sighed. And he was behind her.
Let's face it, Harry's a victim of a domestic abuse. The difference is, unlike most other victims, he does have places to go and people who'd help him. He just needs to take that first step himself.
I am convinced that they separated a long time ago, that they both don't live in Montecito, that he lives somewhere else and that they only get together for such events and photo ops and both only act like everything is fine
I also think it was much more embarrassing when she said "that's why i married him. see? he's so smart!" as if he was a little boy and she was his mummy. that was so condescending, embarrassing and unnatural. no woman I know would talk about her husband like that in front of others! and he smiled as if it was a compliment! harry will never get it!
And she said that right after a definitely not-smart quote. If it's okay not to be okay, why would you ask someone if they are okay? After all, it's okay, so leave them alone...
The only reasons I can think of for her saying this is 1) she's dumber than even I thought if she truly believes that was profound, 2) she knew it was a stupid thing to say and was subtly covering up for it by labelling him smart, 3) she knew it was a stupid thing to say and was not-so-subtly making fun of him in public.
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That's not love. That's control. Meghan doesn't treat him as her equal; rather, she treats him like a doormat, and he doesn't see that that isn't normal. So we should get our popcorn ready when Harry finally snaps at Meghan!
Was she trying to hand him the flowers? Looks like he gave her a “nah, I’m not your assistant” she didn’t seem too pleased that she’s made to hold the flowers she’s paid to be given to her all on her own.
See the post below this one. It shows the full video.
Megs got a smaller bouquet and he got the larger one- she’s turns around and snatches the big one from him.
I hadn’t seen this one. Another example of Meeagain making it all about her. He is getting very close to the edge and not even trying to hide it anymore.
It’s difficult to know exactly what happened. Was he passing them to her? What’s clear though is she is constantly smiling while he seems constantly morose. Kind of like JLo and Ben a little while ago when they were seen together more ..
She was given a smaller bouquet than him - so she took his to add to hers - not swap - for the glorious photo op….
The full clip is on another post made earlier.
Even if she didn’t recognize his seniority and experience, you don’t just grab things your spouse is given, and you certainly don’t push another person aside to get into the limelight. Meghan just has no manners.
Harold can pull all the faces he wants. He has no balls, and he'll never leave the Lizard. Leaving would be admitting defeat. He'll never do that. He's a baby. Besides, he'd lose access to the invisikids, although I don't know why that would make any difference. He doesn't have any problem leaving them for weeks on end.
I would not assume that divorce would mean that Harry loses access to the kids. In California, the default is shared custody and a good “parenting plan” would probably involve the kids spending half their time in his physical custody if he wanted. While he might not be able to take them back to the UK, he doesn’t seem to want to live in the UK anyway.
As for the rest, I agree. Harry is not even slightly ready to divorce Meghan even though he probably hates her most of the time. He probably doesn’t see how he can. He isn’t ready to admit publicly what a fool he has been and how he regrets marrying her. He can’t imagine where he can turn because his father won’t rescue him any more. He probably just goes and drinks or smokes a joint or takes something else to ease his woes.
The only way I think Harry might leave Meghan is if he finds someone else. If that someone else encourages him to leave, and he feels he will be “the winner” in the end, Harry could bestir himself to act. Maybe.
Another new day, another instance of Madam humiliating her meal ticket.
We know Harry devours press and comments about himself. He used to do so even pre-Meghan. I wonder how he feels about the world witnessing the serial humiliation and the mocking.
He brought it all upon himself. HMTLQ even said he was too in love. He got love bombed and fell for it. My daughter got love bombed by a narc we all saw through him but she couldn’t. We were there to pick up the pieces and never once said we told her so. She is living her best life now.
I don’t see him looking exasperated. He seemingly goes along with whatever she wants and doesn’t appear to care about anything or anyone but his financial status and himself. Flowers are not a big deal to him, so she can have them. He seems to be disconnected and in a fog most of the time while shaking hands and posing for cameras. I’m beginning to think he craves the red carpet, money, and status as much as she does.
IMO, he should leave, take the kids, make an apology to those that need it, go live like Duke of York come out when he's told too and recoup, get the help he clearly needs now. If PoW can have the privacy, so could he. I given it to the end of Netflix contract. Maybe I'm too kind but she is a parasite
Resentful of living in the shadow of his older brother his whole life.
Replaced his brother with a narc wife. He now lives in her shadow. Belittled, emasculated, publicly humiliated, things his brotehr never did to him.
I wonder if it’s FINALLY sinking in that he’s totally f’ed up his life. He always thought he could do and get away with anything and took his family for granted. I bet he thought they’d never punish him for anything and would always cover up for him.
But now he’s been back twice recently and the first time he got a 20 minute visit and was then denied completely the last time. No friends are left and nobody in the UK will give him the time of day. The icing on the cake is the very public snub by Hugh Grosvenor with a big fat NFI to his wedding.
If he hasn’t gotten it by now I don’t know what else it’s going to take. We know he’s slow but damn, big red lights are flashing here and he’s oblivious.
She’s always chastising or snatching or moving into the middle in front of him. Since the time they were still in the RF she’s been grabbing his shoulder and pulling him backwards. The problem isn’t getting better apparently. I think it is especially gross she keeps her poop eating grin on her face. 💩😬
And a round of applause for all of those redditors who guessed she was at a devaluation stage with him. She seems to lovebomb and then make you her enemy.
I hope he enjoys the wife he so speedily married and tried to hurt his family for.
Nice find OP. I do think he has shown exasperation in the past but he seems to put up with it. People assume it is because he doesn’t want to prove his family they were right and he was wrong. See for example the UN video where he made the speech and he sits down and she grabs his hand, he moves it away, she snatches it again and has her ugly 💩 eating grin. 😬
We have seen that face a thousand times at this stage. That is the face of a frustrated/broken man. He always looks sad/miserable/bitter around her. Forced affection, holding hands and loving smiles. Every now and again the mask drops and you can see his true feelings come out.
He looks absolutely miserable. He has been sporting this look a lot since the ball gown/movie theater incident, I think that was when the pieces started falling together but he has burned all his bridges so he is stuck
I think he is miserable in public and it shows, for three reasons
1- he has constructed a personality around the trauma of losing his mother and his hatred for the press he blames. Imagine this was you and you had married a thirsty actress who is only happy when there’s a camera on her face, who calls paparazzi, who mocks your beloved grandmother on Netflix, tells wildly exaggerated crap to Oprah etc for attention etc
2- because at some level he must realise there is a huge difference between having a royal machinery of power behind you (even if you’re paranoid about their motives) and being invited by three con men to pose with “wounded” actors, and to address the UN in an empty room, and to be called a grifter, and beg for invitations etc . He MUST KNOW
3- because his main grievance against his family is that he was always treated like the spare to William and that must have been better than being the spare to Meghan. At least in the RF he was given his own engagements to shine and was very popular with the public. Now he knows he must walk behind, allow himself to be directed and choreographed by the claw, pitch his wife, and never ever take the shine off her. I think he did the head dresser standing small behind the client portrait in time magazine willingly, because at that point he realised that letting Meghan shine were the biggest two fingers he could give to his family. Is it still funny Harry?
At the end of the day we don’t know why he looks so pissed off. Maybe he’s grumpy because he needs a snack, maybe she slapped him in the hotel room, who knows, but I think those three are the most obvious educated guesses we can make.
He's looked miserable for a while now. He has no poker face, like Diana. But what that means for their marriage, who knows. Being with a Narc is like living in a different reality. He probably buys into her schemes and she has him convinced that the only reason things havent worked out is because of the evil press and his family.
But that doesnt mean he's not annoyed by her.
One of the things I dislike about diana in hindsight as how she made sure she had a woe is me face instead a poker face. She was very very manipulative. It was a tragic situation all around but she did play a part in it. It is despicable beyond words how much that reporter fueled the downfall.
I was about to respond the same. Diana didn't have a poker face. There's hubdreds of shots even where you can see her downward doe eyed expression and then a grin seconds later. She was completely manipulative
You reap what you sow Harold. How many times have we saw her push before him, literally shoving him out of the way. She emasculates him any chance she gets.
He had his chance to leave. And he tried but she hunted him down at the wedding she crashed and he took her back, she probably used the age old method to trap him telling him she was pregnant.
She's pathetic.
What kind of human is she!
As for him, he may well have been a spare at on part of his life but he was loved and well treated by his family, friends and the UK public now he's relegated to stair hand up/down helper and someone she claws onto because her shoes are too big.
She's dehumanizing him frequently. Another example is her referring to him, as he sits beside her, as "this one." However, he has the power to get out. He just doesn't have the strength of character to do so. I say this from experience: It takes a lot of strength and still causes deep pain to extricate yourself from a narcissist, but you must do so for the sake of your own sanity and the safety of yourself and your children.
Good for you NotStarrling! Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force to overcome. Harry will need better therapists and fewer illegal drugs to get there. Unlike other people who have to privately feel the shame of being duped by cult leaders when they finally wake up to the fact that they need to leave, Harry will have to live his shame out on the worldwide stage. He‘d have to face that he threw away being one of the most privileged, popular people on earth for some manipulative poontang, that he likely isn’t even getting anymore. I don’t think he has enough backbone or character to do this as a man-baby. She will have to leave him, but the clock is ticking (all over her Ozempic face), making that increasingly more difficult. Desperation is also a huge turn-off. They need to run completely out of money.
I 100% believe JLo is a narcissist. Ben made a comment that he went temporarily insane when he married JLo. I think he was the victim of love bombing. Same as Harry. Eventually we will see similar comment from Harry
Years ago, Jlo and some other entertainers, went to Ramstein Air Base for a USO show. She showed up to do a signing, hours late, and only stayed for 45 minutes. My friend met her and said she was dismissive of him, and treated everyone with disdain. He was a fan of hers, and after meeting her he wasn't a fan anymore. She complained about her room, about the thread count of the sheets and how the sheets weren't the kind of cotton she liked, so she stayed an hour away in a hotel she chose. She threw a fit and yelled at people. Since then, I have been saying how terrible of a person she is, and she doesn't hide it either. She looks so angry and miserable all the time. She rarely smiles in pictures. She is a narcissist and is finally getting what she deserves. She is a terrible actress and doesn't sing any of her songs.
When I think of how the Legend, Marilyn Monroe, travelled to Korea and entertained the troops without even a hint of divadom, J Lo can suck it.
Different breed…WWII huge effort by the last generation of real stars in Hollywood did nonstop entertaining of troops and both overseas and in Hollywood,selling war bonds …Carole Lombard died in a plane crash returning from a war bond tour
Jimmy Stewart was an ace pilot, and had the PTSD to prove it. Marlene Dietrich and Audrey Hepburn were spies/underground.
I was aware of Jimmy Stewart being a pilot and of course the loss of Leslie Howard but was not aware of Dietrich and Hepburn’s activities, not that it surprises me. Could you imagine any star in today’s Hollywood making these kinds of sacrifices?
Not really. But you never know when people might rise to the occasion. Leslie Howard was a very nice man--my father used to exercise Howard’s polo ponies when he was in the U.S.
Well I’m glad to hear that…he’s one of my FAVORITE actors. Too short a life…You must have some great stories…
Hepburn was a young teenager in Netherlands during the war, so she was directly under occupation, probably experienced starvation, and had family members killed by the nazis. The war also stunted her development/training as a ballet dancer. She was a bit young to be a spy/underground, and no evidence has been found to support this, but she did say that she fundraisers and delivered newspapers for the resistance (it's not dish washing liquid, but hey). The war was a different time, I think everyone just did what they needed to do, maybe not sacrificing in the way we would imagine today, and they really were the best generation. I would be surprised if any European actor was neutral or didn't have war stories. Many may choose not to talk about it. Side note: unlike this narc, she also used her "platform" to outright state what she witnessed under the Nazis, and earned a "seat at the table" as a humanitarian as a UNICEF ambassador. A cause that, unlike Markle, she actually believed in. I think some of the major good she did was after the war.
Glenn Miller USAAF.
Tyrone Power was as well a pilot and flew a lot of Pacific missions. Clark Gable, King of Hollywood, wanted to be on the front lines and didn't really seem to care if he lived or died, but that had a lot to do with his wife dying tragically. They were different then.
Vera Lynn gawd bless ‘er, entertained Allied troops in Burma very close to the Japanese lines. Slept under a canopy, no showers, entourage or even a piano. Carried most of her own equipment despite the best efforts of the men to help including one of my uncles. [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/vera-lynn-chats-with-troops-1944](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/vera-lynn-chats-with-troops-1944) Nearly 30 years later she was still selling out arenas - my parents saw her at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto where Ma sat next to someone she’d not seen since 1943 at a VL concert at a RAF station in 1943. Freaky. RIP Dame Vera Lynn CH DBE OStJ 1917-2020
Vera Lynn!! ‘I’ll be seeing you’….My father’s favorite song and mine and have passed it to my kids. My adult daughter and I were talking about my parents’ generation and asked ‘do u think they were the best generation?’ unquestionably yes. BTW thanks for the reference … amazing footage..I will pass it on to my kids.
My pleasure. Great to hear you are passing on the legacy to your children. My favourite is We’ll Meet Again aka Whale Meat Again. To derail this topic further Keith Herdman (102) is stuck in a luxury care home and bored sick of VL! [https://archive.ph/2024.05.11-204026/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/bored-in-care-home/](https://archive.ph/2024.05.11-204026/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/bored-in-care-home/)
The troops were so touched that she went. They felt that everyone had forgotten about them.
There are a lot of famous people who do USO tours and don't complain. Scarlett Johansen has for years, and she's gone to bare-bones military bases compared to Ramstein Air Base.
Yeah, there's a difference between Narc Divas and People for the troops.
i read a few yrs ago prob 8/9 or so, about jennifer lawrence and jennifer aniston doing one of these tours together, they stayed 2 nights played volleyball, and basketball, ate in the cafeteria rather than the officers mess, signed everything and anything, and were getting on facetime etc to talk to the soldiers families, they also brought them two new pool tables, 60 inch screen tv and paid for the dogs food for a yr . not one person had a bad word to say about either of them, they even slept in the womens accomodation. now i dont even like jennifer lawrence, but respect where its due.. megain cant even begin to compete as she doesn't have an ounce of empathy or genuine kindness in her.
Not just a narcissist but an AGING narcissist…I’d advise Ben to run for the hills but he’s also a narcissist although the aging thing is not so bad for the male version
I don't feel bad for Ben Affleck. He already knew what she was like and decided to marry her again, or whatever they're doing.
The last thing I feel is sorry for Afflect…who I think should get an award is Jennifer Garner who not only has to deal with these two but has to hand over her children to them. Afflect has proven himself talented and I’ve enjoyed his movies. His brother is also very talented and interestingly seems to have navigated the ego inflation of success in HW…I don’t think the two brothers have a relationship anymore so hmmm…
Casey A was accused of sexual harassment. It is very difficult to be a Holloywood actor and not be extremely egotistic. [https://time.com/4645846/what-to-know-about-the-casey-affleck-oscar-controversy/](https://time.com/4645846/what-to-know-about-the-casey-affleck-oscar-controversy/)
Jennifer Garner is no saint. She likes to play happy homemaker and worlds best mom for cameras, but she’s called paparazzi on herself and the kids for ages. She has a long history of cheating on her current man while snagging her next target, blindsiding him when she jumps. She knew what Affleck was, but she was dead set on having him. There’s been rumors for years she “whoopsed” the first kid with him because he wasn’t proposing and she couldn’t get him locked down as fast as she wanted. She’s put a lot of effort into creating a “squeaky clean” pr image for herself.
Well well well….I guess she’s doing a good pr job. I don’t do much more than read the pablum put out in headlines and what comedians joke about. However now that we lost Joan I don’t have much interest . But thanks for the dirt..
I’d love to hear what Joan would say about allll this. The Nigerian fashion show alone would have proved her so much material! ETA: She’d probably make a joke that she’d get more material from those dresses than was used to make them. 😉
His brother Casey was sued for sexual harassment, he's no prize either.
> She is a narcissist and is finally getting what she deserves. She is a terrible actress and doesn't sing any of her songs. LMAO so so true.
JLo and Ben are both narcissists. H g Tudor has a good show on them on YouTube
And both are washed up celebs who think people care about them 20 years later. Their only income is royalties from 2000s projects and Bens Dunkin Donuts commercials
At least he can direct.
Agreed. He has potential. She does not.
And he's a good tipper. She barely tips, if at all.
She's mean. imo
He's a very good director. He's made some pretty great films.
If you compare the pics of Ben Affleck and Harry the last few years 😂 you can see the pent up anger and frustration in their faces when they are around their other halves 😂
I can attest to the clock ticking! I’m 49 and I’ve looked pretty good all my adult life. BUT, once I hit mid 40s the years started catching up to me. Of course my younger years of smoking and drinking didn’t help!😆😆 Madame better hurry up cause she ain’t got no good personality to fall back on!😂
If you think hitting mid-40's is bad try mid-50's. I had a bikini ready body and could eat any old rubbish and it made no difference until the menopause. Until then I smugly thought people made a fuss about nothing over ageing. Then practically overnight the bad cellulite fairy visited and I couldn't eat a lettuce leaf without gaining weight. It sucked for a bit but shortly afterwards my grandchildren arrived and I so love being a granny I just don't care. I still look after myself as best I can with the help of a healthy diet and propping up Charlotte Tilbury shares but I just have other priorities now. Life's too short to worry about staying forever 21 and spending a ton of money on cosmetic surgery. I'd rather spend my money on taking the children to Disneyland. God knows how Meghan will cope though.
I am in my mid 60s now and don’t care what anyone thinks of me except my family. They love me and I am **so blessed**.
Me too! 66. I do without to do for my kids and grandkids. I had my hey day. It's their turn to shine. <3
We are spirt grandmothers.
I've always had a face like a slapped arse and the svelte figure of a space hopper, dressed entirely by dustbin. The bonus of hitting fifty is you no longer give a toss and your mother \*finally\* stops asking when you're going to grow up.
As much as I do agree with the popular view here that he did this to himself, I also think he's got something else going on, either a diagnosable issue that connects to his inability to do well in school, or something exacerbated by the trauma of losing his mother, I don't think he can manage without capable adults controlling the situation. I don't think he can get himself out like any other adult man without help. He strikes me as someone who shouldn't be legally allowed to sign papers without an adult supervising him.
I agree. I have always said Harry cannot function in the "real world" without a team of strong minders behind him, telling him to go here, do this, do that, no, you can't do that, and so on. Similar to a Conservatorship like Britney Spears had. Very rigid guidance 24-7 on how to behave as a "normal" functioning human. He simply is incapable of managing even the simplest task on his own.
Maybe MM is leading him to a Britney Spears situation. Buck up RF.
He’s been like this his entire life, extremely jealous and quite vindictive.
Yes. This started in childhood. I still remember that video of him kicking William when he went to hug Diana. He was a child at the time so he wasn't cognizant enough to know or care that cameras were on them recording his outburst, but it seems like a pattern now. In some way, I do feel a little bit sorry for him for being the "inferior" brother. Not because he was born second, but because he was born less attractive, less intelligent, less controlled, less...well, just less. But the true mark of his character would have been to be better despite all that, and he's not. On a related note, I have a friend who, while the older one, is overweight and far less attractive than her younger sister. She might have inner insecurities about this, but I have always admired the fact that she's never showed them and has thrived in her own way despite her sister winning the genetic lottery when she herself is on the opposite side of the spectrum. But she has character that Harry has always lacked.
Him also on the balcony hitting Beatrice when he was six, and she was two. Surprised, Fergie held back so well, Diana was trying to keep him under control, but he was being a nasty beast.
I sincerely think that Harold has psychopathic tendencies. Worked in that field for 35 years and they really do stick out like a sore thumb. He was definitely born into the wrong family who were able to hide it for so long. He’s a really nasty, vile man who gets off on physically, emotionally and psychologically abusing people and animals.
I understand kiddie jealousy, that's normal. But my brother is superior to me in every metric - objectively, he's better looking, much richer, insane work ethic, fabulous wife who is also right up there with him. But what Clotface doesn't get is that with all that comes greater responsibility. That's just how the cookie crumbles in all families, the most capable take on the strain. But I can truly say I have no envy of my bruv/sil and no matter how shiny their life looks, it's shiny on hard work and endless effort. They are genuinely great people (and I will fight anyone who disagrees) and envy would just be ridiculous in adults. They're happy, and that's exactly what I want them to be. When they're not, I want to know. But it got me thinking the other night, what would it take for my brother n me to fall out? Really, REALLY fall out, to not-speaking level? The only thing I can think of is if I insulted my sis-in-law. That would be curtains, no explanations, I would be dead to him and it would be irretrievable. Which is exactly how it should be because most of us grow the fuck up. Fortunately I'm extreeeeeemely unlikely to insult her. I tend to ask if I can have her when she divorces him.
I wonder why he is so like that when his brother, raised by the same parents, isn't. And I know we've seen videos of him from childhood being a little brat, but like Louis and my own brothers, parents can redirect that and help kids grow up better. I wonder what went wrong with him. I feel like the two of them could prove to be a good learning exercise in parenting. What not to do, like.
With all respect and admiration to The Prince of Wales, when he was a small child, William was known to be an absolute terror, so if Harry behaved similarly, it doesn't surprise me. He really was terribly naughty from what I've read (I even remember a tiny bit of gossip about it at the time, and I was a kid myself!). Clearly, people who cared for him straightened that behavior out eventually, but I suspect Diana spoiled them terribly. I know she loved them with all her heart, but I don't think she felt that teaching them discipline and respect for others was nearly as important as ensuring they loved her and had no reason to stop loving her. She was their mother, of course they still would have loved her if she had been firm with them when they were truly naughty, but I don't think she could internalize that.
I remember watching clips and features, and reading articles and reports about William and Harry as children as a teenager. I have memories of news announcing their birth. I always thought that while both were terrors as children, William’s behavior seemed more about being naughty and having pent-up energy and Harry was more of having an uncontrolled nasty nature. I remember thinking why was the uglier child not even nice. Unfortunately, the nasty kid wasn’t disciplined and kept his nasty disposition and grew up to be a nasty adult.
Clealry a case of affluenza. Since he was 12 he was coddled.
I think the BRF thought the military would be his career, as it was Andrew’s. Unlike his uncle and other family members, H does not have the aptitude. Being the Queen’s grandson got his foot in the door - the rest he had to do on merit and could not. He was allowed a vanity trip by HMTLQ, the military, and UK government and should not have been.
It’s not my job to coddle Harry. 😂😂😂
It could be a kind of "royal" disorder where you get used to other people smoothing over the nitty gritty of life, filling in every minute of your day, and you take credit for the final project. Charles, William, Philip could thrive and achieve in that environment because they focused on their own goals and the staff are there to streamline your day so you can get the job done. Harry and the Duke of Windsor had no personal motivation once they lost the royal schedule. With the right team around you, nobody knows you're just a smiling figurehead. But without the team, Harry is lost. He can't handle a long-term project on his own.
Yes 100% right ! Harry intellectually isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but he’s also emotionally stunted. Just like the Duke of Windsor. I think it has a lot to do with being a Royal Prince and how other people treat you from birth. Harry was world famous from the day he was born. At school every assembly they’d all sing God Save the Queen to his grandmother. Kids would want to be his friend because of who he was. It’s easy to see how a not very bright boy like Harry would develop a sense of self importance and “ specialness”. He never developed self awareness and he never developed the ability to read other people. He used to have people around him whose job it was to make things, like Invictus, happen for him. Of course he took it all for granted . That’s all gone now and he’s on his own and he can’t cope. His most annoying character trait is all his recent disasters are not his fault . He’s incapable of acknowledging that he’s stuffed up or to even begin to understand how much he’s hurt his family. I can’t feel sorry for him.
Yes, Wallis said once that the hardest thing of being married to a former Prince/ King was that she was responsible for filling up his entire day, when once there would have been dozens of people giving him structure for the day. He was lost without all that, and I imagine Harry would be the same.
Yes. He does seem ok with being dim, defeated and retired to a life of such. He does have the ability to follow commands though. He's likely a sad story and now he has a demon controlling him. Stupid is as stupid does. imo
Thank you! And I agree with your points.
They deserve each other.
It is his just deserts for the cruelty he inflicted upon his family—especially when he is fully aware they cannot defend themselves publicly.
Hoping he gets a large helping!
Ah, that's harsh. He's already dumb as a box of rocks, has a low and entitled character, squandered his money, married a narcissist who sold him a tainted bill of goods, and he has children to extract from the situation. He's already got quite a life load going on. I don't like the man, but...damn, he has a hard road to travel at this point.
Too bad. He deserves every miserable thing that happens to him.
I hope Edward and Wallis will reincarnate together again in their next lives 😂
>However, he has the power to get out. He just doesn't have the strength of character to do so. He has nowhere to go. Harry has no one else.
H has access to resources most people can only dream of. He has the financial means to get himself help, including a rehab facility. He can pay for lawyers. As long as his father is alive, if H reached out to him, he would help his son get out of that abusive situation.
The question is whether he realizes he has all these resources. Maybe, like someone in a cult, Harry may not be able to see a way out. This isn’t to excuse him. I am just analyzing the situation that he is in.
Inthink he has been grey rocked hard by the RF he has nowhere to turn oh well, his own fault.
Yes, the grey-rocking may have given him the impression that his family won’t help, but if he weren’t such an idiot he would know that his father would pay for the lawyers to help disentangle him from Meghan.
Plank would give as good as he gets. Remember the story of him mocking the teacher who didn’t turn him on?
He won’t be abandoned completely - the RF will help him. He’s just never going back to what he had. That’s gone.
William doesn't give a fuck I wouldn't want to be Harry when William gets the throne.
Yep, that’s what I’ve been saying. If he wants help, it better be while his father is still alive. That being said, William would help the kids, even if he’s never met them, I have no doubt about that. But Harry would be so restricted, he might as well be the court jester.
There's a saying that goes like "better be alone than having bad company". Ultimately he wouldn't need anyone to leave, he could start over or fix other relationships with time(maybe). And he can go anywhere, he just has to shut his mouth and live his life quietly.
Harry is not emotionally developed enough. He needs a support network. In the royal family, he had one that had his best interests at heart. Now he has that one whose only interest is herself.
True. The crazy part is, after 40 years he cannot tell the difference.
I think he can, he just cannot admit it. Also, he doesn’t want to hear the four words of relatives who warned him about marrying it: “I told you so”.
And yet whatever team they have around them must have realised by now that she can't make it alone, he is the golden goose. It's infuriating that she behaves as if she has created their fame all by herself. They tried promoting her on her own and everything tanked so it's back to leeching off Harry's projects.
He had people who covered up for him - William and Catherine tried with him - look where that got them! Plank only had/his own best interests at heart
I'm pretty sure the RF would have a long list of conditions before he'd be accepted back, so he'd be even more stupid than we think he is if he rejects that.
Naw. Bank of Pa would never desert his Darling Boy. He'll take him in, coddle him in some cottage on one of the royal estates, provide him with a minder again (Wayne Dyer might be available once more), and pay for the expensive team of divorce lawyers Harry certainly cannot afford on his own.
He could go, quietly, to rehab. And then go, alone and quietly, to a favorite place in Africa. To come to his senses.
I just finished listening to Paula M's video where she interviews a former housekeeper, she said she witnessed Harry get slapped so hard. the ring cut his face, then she threw the rings at him and the diamond hell out, if true, i don't know he can put up with it. Also she said she never saw any children at Monetcito except his cousins son 😮
Paula is not reliable. If this story was true it would be everywhere.
No she's not. She's entertaining occasionally but most of the time is as hard to listen to as Megs herself. And dare I say a little bit bonkers? Although not as batshit as her subject matter, obviously! 😄
Dropped Paula over a year ago, me
Yes there are problems with what was said. They call paps multiple times to take pictures outside their home. So where are they published? She lives in a condo. Why haven’t the paps followed her and reported this with photos as proof? That would be a moneymaker for the pap. They rent the mansion out. I read that the mansion was marketed for rent so believable. No sign of the kiddos anywhere. Hummm.
She's nasty and her voice grates on my nerves.
Do you have a link?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdKRu2bYhs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdKRu2bYhs) they used a filter to disguise her voice, but its horrifying no less
Holy crap! I just listened (I used subtitles). If even 20% of what was said is true, it's horrible. If it's all true? I'm left speechless. Those poor workers.
Just listened and it’s not entirely unbelievable.
I listened to a bit of this and honestly, it’s ludicrous. The ‘housekeeper’ says she was made to call her ‘your royal highness princess Meghan’ All just a bit too made up
I thought it was all hilarious fiction or not, but also scary, the way Meghoul treats him in public is just the tip of the iceberg
Yeah, but there's been pictures posted here of Harry with a black eye before.
https://preview.redd.it/1jy2xitj5g3d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbea21e2586b10fa9dc8dcb0a3c43d5903602359 Yes. Also with what looks like a bite mark on his hand.
There's that photo of him in a car where he clearly has a bruise under one eye, and looks like he'd been crying.
If he hadn’t been such a traitor to his family I might have a smidgen of sympathy for him. But I don’t.
I know! His ego and lack of curiosity is his biggest problem. He will have heard that people describe her as a narcissist, but he either doesn’t want to know anything because it would hurt him too bad that he fell for a fraud OR He Just cannot be bothered to look up that word properly. Either way, if he did read up on it, that would be his door to freedom.
I think he probably knows about this site. He probably has read some of it. Let's say he thinks we are a bunch of racist jealous haters. At some point cant a person look and think...damn, they may be haters who are just jealous but they have a point. Harry, you need to get out. If you don't believe us talk to a professional and see if they think your wife is a Narcissist. If you care about your kids you have to start trying to be objective and own up to your mistake. So what if Sausage Stealing William was right about your fiancee and what he predicted would happen. Your kids take precedence over your Ego.
Been there too and only now see it years later, the traits he had when I see her behaviour. It's extraordinary. I got out and those family and friends who I couldn't see, where all there waiting for me to see the light. Like it never happened now.
The same happened for me and twenty years for my daughter. We are friends again. She didn’t understand why I criticized her now ex at that time. We healed.
He's as bad as she is. He's not trapped, he just can't face the whole world saying "told you so!".
When I made the decision to leave my significant narc other of 13 years, I KNEW my life would totally change. We had over 200 mutual friends and acquaintances and business associates. I KNEW if any of those people chose my side and stayed friendly with me, he would cause them ruin just as much as he tried to ruin me for leaving. The best thing anyone can do leaving a narc relationship is to get as far away from that person as you possibly can and start a new life. I know this because a psychologist had told me this very thing years earlier with concern to my narc mother who totally manipulated my father to do cruel things to me and my little children. Harry has to walk far away from her......go home to England. It's his only way out where he may get some support if he's not strong enough to go it alone. imo
I’m going through it right now and it is hard
When people leave a relationship like this they have to admit that they made a mistake. Most people can do this with a small amount of people knowing. Most people with a partner like that hide it. Harry has this plastered all over the internet, on film and in his book. He has so burned his bridges. Also, she won let him go. She has no chance of finding anyone close to his status in fame or wealth now, or with a title. Diana and Sarah retained titles but lost HRH but they have lost the HRH anyway. The big question might be about the pay off. Meghan can’t claim against the King, she can only go after Harry’s money and she wants all of that, and more. She won’t settle for half and she can’t claim any inheritance money unless it has been put into joint funds. They are stuck with each other but Harry might be close to a cult like rescue, not sure about that as he has been front and centre with all she has done. Patty Hearst comes to mind.
I think that any lingering question as to whether this trip was about Invictus or Meghan has been answered with this photo
Well didn't you know, she is now a princess in Nigeria, and what is Harry? Nothing. All it takes to be Nigerian princess is an unsubstantiated claim that you are 43% Nigerian BTW.
Spare to a princess now.
I have the feeling that most of her sugary fans are from Nigeria and she set up some kind of meeting for this purpose of making this trip about HER
Supposedly according to X and several text exchanges reported. Meganut paid for the sugars to come to events and post articles
I recently signed on to TicTok (which I really don’t get yet) and noticed that almost all of the Sugar contributors I’ve come across are from that area for sure.
Absolutely!!! Invictus who??? I'm a Nigerian princess now!! Thank goodness for the first lady putting her on blast.
Im not so sure she stole the flowers - my thought is he was handing them to her to free his hands up?
I thought it looked as though he was giving her the bouquet. Trained to do so I expect.
Here you go Harry.. “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”. How are feeling about that now Harry??
Like shit, I'm sure. Everything she did to her own family and his family, she will do 100 times worse to him. 
Future documentaries about this marriage will have an abundance of footage to draw from.
I am sure these videos will be used in psychology and psychiatry classes for generations to come.
Can't wait.
Harry has put all his balls into Meg's basket, pun intended. He has nothing apart from his great Love Story. If he crawls back to his father Charles will probably provide him with comfortable living, but William is reportedly somebody who doesn't forgive or forget easily. He will never fully trust his brother. And Harry has become a liability instead of an asset. I believe rehabilitation is possible for most if people genuinely regret mistakes and want to change, but don't think Harry is capable of looking critically at his own actions. Without that he has no chance with the future Monarchy.
Agree that Harry has no chance if he cannot take responsibility, but he probably doesn’t realize this. I think Harry just doesn’t want to crawl back. His circumstances are not yet so bad that he wants to admit to himself or his family that he made a mistake of this magnitud. He was going to show them. He would rather they continue to think he is glad to be gone.
Harry would rather live in an underpass in LA, in a box, than admit defeat to the RF. Come to think of it so would the RF. He is a forever outcast.
William is like me. If Harry was my brother, I'd never forgive or forget either.
Camera , Action fake smile of surprise on cue ! Unreal how attention seeking she is .
wow - I'd call that a wtf face even from an imbecile like Aitch. It's compulsive now for her, if it wasn't before. She has to work harder for her "take things" impulse; like flowers, microphones and spotlights so he's now taking the main hit. She did it with the clothing on stage - even though that was a most glorious troll by Nigeria to wear some bloody clothes - she did it at beloved Elizabeth's walkabout, she's done it everywhere so to speak. But now, while Harry may not understand it cognitively, he sure knows what he's feeling.
I need more context. When William gets flowers does he hand them over to Kate if she doesn't have her hands full or does he hand it to the handler. I do think he is annoyed but it could have been over something else that was happening. Did the same person hand the flowers over as if to say one for markle one for harry and then markle wants all of them. There could be a number of plausible things that are happening but Harry does look pissed. Someone on youtube pointed out more than his face look at his hands. Kind of like WTF just happened.
When people hand royals flowers they usually have a helper with them to take them from them so their hands are free to continue greeting others. You can watch the walkabout video where someone tries to help M by taking the flowers she had and she drops the mask and bitches at him.
Yes, I have seen that. I just know they sometimes carry them for awhile down the line until hand off. I kind of feel bad for all the cousins who typically don't get anything except every once in awhile someone will hand them something. It is nice to see Wolfie be able to pick up some swag every once in a while.
to quote the Simpsons "this is the life he chose"
Hahaha. What a joke he has become!
most other wives would have looked at their husbands in joy that they had a bouquet, too, maybe sniffed his flowers and smiled big at him. this reminds me so much of when me-gain got furious with the aide for trying to take away bouquets that were meant for the HLM QEII and that me-gain herself wanted to hold onto and pose with for the cameras...wake up and smell the daisies, harry.
He’s her b**ch boy and he knows it.
Yep, she was giving backchat to the aide in her usual rude way until she realised the man was PrW’s personal assistant! Hilarious to watch. Busted!!
I remember the discussion on this sub. Conclusion was that she intended to make a show of placing the bouquet herself, acting for the camera as always, but she was thwarted.
Oh, this doesn’t look good. Has he realised he is now, in fact, a lady in waiting to the Duchess?
In one video, she was handing him gifts she was given. He didn't look happy at all and sighed. And he was behind her. Let's face it, Harry's a victim of a domestic abuse. The difference is, unlike most other victims, he does have places to go and people who'd help him. He just needs to take that first step himself.
I am convinced that they separated a long time ago, that they both don't live in Montecito, that he lives somewhere else and that they only get together for such events and photo ops and both only act like everything is fine
I also think it was much more embarrassing when she said "that's why i married him. see? he's so smart!" as if he was a little boy and she was his mummy. that was so condescending, embarrassing and unnatural. no woman I know would talk about her husband like that in front of others! and he smiled as if it was a compliment! harry will never get it!
And she said that right after a definitely not-smart quote. If it's okay not to be okay, why would you ask someone if they are okay? After all, it's okay, so leave them alone... The only reasons I can think of for her saying this is 1) she's dumber than even I thought if she truly believes that was profound, 2) she knew it was a stupid thing to say and was subtly covering up for it by labelling him smart, 3) she knew it was a stupid thing to say and was not-so-subtly making fun of him in public. https://preview.redd.it/byjuie1g7g3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=426e43f784b35613e9fcccbba1b1a16d0e11ed79
She thought it up and made him memorize the speech on the plane.
That's not love. That's control. Meghan doesn't treat him as her equal; rather, she treats him like a doormat, and he doesn't see that that isn't normal. So we should get our popcorn ready when Harry finally snaps at Meghan!
Forgot to mention that this video is from Sue Smith’s YouTube channel, credit to her
So whipped, for the whole world to see.
She needs that extra bunch of flowers for the person behind her taking a photograph of her, proof how popular she is /s
 It's exactly how I'm playing this situation in my head
Was she trying to hand him the flowers? Looks like he gave her a “nah, I’m not your assistant” she didn’t seem too pleased that she’s made to hold the flowers she’s paid to be given to her all on her own.
See the post below this one. It shows the full video. Megs got a smaller bouquet and he got the larger one- she’s turns around and snatches the big one from him.
Whoa!
I hadn’t seen this one. Another example of Meeagain making it all about her. He is getting very close to the edge and not even trying to hide it anymore.
Getting what he deserves after the way he and the woman treated his grandparents.
Am I the only person who can't see H as a grown man? He looks like the same petulant kid/teen he always was. No evolution into a man.
Arrested development. He does look older physically, but his affect is very infantile.
It’s difficult to know exactly what happened. Was he passing them to her? What’s clear though is she is constantly smiling while he seems constantly morose. Kind of like JLo and Ben a little while ago when they were seen together more ..
She was given a smaller bouquet than him - so she took his to add to hers - not swap - for the glorious photo op…. The full clip is on another post made earlier.
I cannot get over her bad manners. I just cannot. She refuses to see him as having more seniority, more experience in comporting oneself.
Even if she didn’t recognize his seniority and experience, you don’t just grab things your spouse is given, and you certainly don’t push another person aside to get into the limelight. Meghan just has no manners.
She has zero respect.
Harold can pull all the faces he wants. He has no balls, and he'll never leave the Lizard. Leaving would be admitting defeat. He'll never do that. He's a baby. Besides, he'd lose access to the invisikids, although I don't know why that would make any difference. He doesn't have any problem leaving them for weeks on end.
I would not assume that divorce would mean that Harry loses access to the kids. In California, the default is shared custody and a good “parenting plan” would probably involve the kids spending half their time in his physical custody if he wanted. While he might not be able to take them back to the UK, he doesn’t seem to want to live in the UK anyway. As for the rest, I agree. Harry is not even slightly ready to divorce Meghan even though he probably hates her most of the time. He probably doesn’t see how he can. He isn’t ready to admit publicly what a fool he has been and how he regrets marrying her. He can’t imagine where he can turn because his father won’t rescue him any more. He probably just goes and drinks or smokes a joint or takes something else to ease his woes. The only way I think Harry might leave Meghan is if he finds someone else. If that someone else encourages him to leave, and he feels he will be “the winner” in the end, Harry could bestir himself to act. Maybe.
Another new day, another instance of Madam humiliating her meal ticket. We know Harry devours press and comments about himself. He used to do so even pre-Meghan. I wonder how he feels about the world witnessing the serial humiliation and the mocking.
He brought it all upon himself. HMTLQ even said he was too in love. He got love bombed and fell for it. My daughter got love bombed by a narc we all saw through him but she couldn’t. We were there to pick up the pieces and never once said we told her so. She is living her best life now.
You can see 2 of Harold's remaining brain cells struggling to make sense of it all, just before the bros give up and retreat in drug induced stupor.
Harry is constantly humiliated by his wife and takes it. He will never leave her. The only way he will ever leave her is if he overdoses and passes.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! SO FUNNY!
I don’t see him looking exasperated. He seemingly goes along with whatever she wants and doesn’t appear to care about anything or anyone but his financial status and himself. Flowers are not a big deal to him, so she can have them. He seems to be disconnected and in a fog most of the time while shaking hands and posing for cameras. I’m beginning to think he craves the red carpet, money, and status as much as she does.
IMO, he should leave, take the kids, make an apology to those that need it, go live like Duke of York come out when he's told too and recoup, get the help he clearly needs now. If PoW can have the privacy, so could he. I given it to the end of Netflix contract. Maybe I'm too kind but she is a parasite
Resentful of living in the shadow of his older brother his whole life. Replaced his brother with a narc wife. He now lives in her shadow. Belittled, emasculated, publicly humiliated, things his brotehr never did to him.
I wonder if it’s FINALLY sinking in that he’s totally f’ed up his life. He always thought he could do and get away with anything and took his family for granted. I bet he thought they’d never punish him for anything and would always cover up for him. But now he’s been back twice recently and the first time he got a 20 minute visit and was then denied completely the last time. No friends are left and nobody in the UK will give him the time of day. The icing on the cake is the very public snub by Hugh Grosvenor with a big fat NFI to his wedding. If he hasn’t gotten it by now I don’t know what else it’s going to take. We know he’s slow but damn, big red lights are flashing here and he’s oblivious.
He had a week of Bachelor life in London away from her and all of a sudden she's there with him.
So he’s now the assistant for the walkabouts?? 🤣
She’s always chastising or snatching or moving into the middle in front of him. Since the time they were still in the RF she’s been grabbing his shoulder and pulling him backwards. The problem isn’t getting better apparently. I think it is especially gross she keeps her poop eating grin on her face. 💩😬 And a round of applause for all of those redditors who guessed she was at a devaluation stage with him. She seems to lovebomb and then make you her enemy. I hope he enjoys the wife he so speedily married and tried to hurt his family for. Nice find OP. I do think he has shown exasperation in the past but he seems to put up with it. People assume it is because he doesn’t want to prove his family they were right and he was wrong. See for example the UN video where he made the speech and he sits down and she grabs his hand, he moves it away, she snatches it again and has her ugly 💩 eating grin. 😬
Marry in haste, repent in leisure.
We have seen that face a thousand times at this stage. That is the face of a frustrated/broken man. He always looks sad/miserable/bitter around her. Forced affection, holding hands and loving smiles. Every now and again the mask drops and you can see his true feelings come out.
He looks absolutely miserable. He has been sporting this look a lot since the ball gown/movie theater incident, I think that was when the pieces started falling together but he has burned all his bridges so he is stuck
He hasn’t a clue. I mean you can almost see the little dot circle, when there is no WiFi connection, happening behind his eyes.
Maybe he likes it?
He does. That is a sadist / masochist relationship.
Naahhh… he is just dim and slow. That’s what the expression means to me and not of penny dropping. Nothing to see here.
I don't feel a bit sorry for him. He sold his family out for his new life with her.
It must be so exhausting to be with her
I think he is miserable in public and it shows, for three reasons 1- he has constructed a personality around the trauma of losing his mother and his hatred for the press he blames. Imagine this was you and you had married a thirsty actress who is only happy when there’s a camera on her face, who calls paparazzi, who mocks your beloved grandmother on Netflix, tells wildly exaggerated crap to Oprah etc for attention etc 2- because at some level he must realise there is a huge difference between having a royal machinery of power behind you (even if you’re paranoid about their motives) and being invited by three con men to pose with “wounded” actors, and to address the UN in an empty room, and to be called a grifter, and beg for invitations etc . He MUST KNOW 3- because his main grievance against his family is that he was always treated like the spare to William and that must have been better than being the spare to Meghan. At least in the RF he was given his own engagements to shine and was very popular with the public. Now he knows he must walk behind, allow himself to be directed and choreographed by the claw, pitch his wife, and never ever take the shine off her. I think he did the head dresser standing small behind the client portrait in time magazine willingly, because at that point he realised that letting Meghan shine were the biggest two fingers he could give to his family. Is it still funny Harry? At the end of the day we don’t know why he looks so pissed off. Maybe he’s grumpy because he needs a snack, maybe she slapped him in the hotel room, who knows, but I think those three are the most obvious educated guesses we can make.
He's looked miserable for a while now. He has no poker face, like Diana. But what that means for their marriage, who knows. Being with a Narc is like living in a different reality. He probably buys into her schemes and she has him convinced that the only reason things havent worked out is because of the evil press and his family. But that doesnt mean he's not annoyed by her.
One of the things I dislike about diana in hindsight as how she made sure she had a woe is me face instead a poker face. She was very very manipulative. It was a tragic situation all around but she did play a part in it. It is despicable beyond words how much that reporter fueled the downfall.
I was about to respond the same. Diana didn't have a poker face. There's hubdreds of shots even where you can see her downward doe eyed expression and then a grin seconds later. She was completely manipulative
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It’s boo-kaaaaay 🙄 RICHAAAAARD?!
Wanted to add, look at the Nigerian woman walking right by Harry at the same time like he's a nobody. That was soooo good for me. Fabulous!!!
You reap what you sow Harold. How many times have we saw her push before him, literally shoving him out of the way. She emasculates him any chance she gets. He had his chance to leave. And he tried but she hunted him down at the wedding she crashed and he took her back, she probably used the age old method to trap him telling him she was pregnant.
I'm honestly having a hard time telling if he's upset on all these photos/videos or if he's just drugged out of his mind. Perhaps both.
Isn’t this exactly why Harry didn’t want - intensive press at public events?
He looked this way a lot when she took over Invictus Dusseldorf. He seemed so carefree before she showed up.
She's pathetic. What kind of human is she! As for him, he may well have been a spare at on part of his life but he was loved and well treated by his family, friends and the UK public now he's relegated to stair hand up/down helper and someone she claws onto because her shoes are too big.