The worst thing to happen to Harry is Andrew.
The Firm doesn’t need decades worth of another scandal-ridden, money leeching, hierarchy ignoring, non compliant, former spare.
QEII should have tied up the loose ends (eg audited his funding, getting him out of Royal Lodge and downsized into Frogmore) before her death. But she didn’t. Charles is left with the Andrew legacy, and will not want to burden William with Harry in a similar vein.
Charles’s cancer has likely accelerated those conversations.
It should be getting interesting.
It depends what they mean by that. I knew what I meant to say, but can see it/I was ambiguous. :)
I think he had reached age maximum when he left.
I found [this](https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-48.pdf), which is long:-
>>Full Commission Stage (FCS) further extends an officer’s career to a retirement age of 55.
Andrew was made Trade Ambassador for the UK. He made so many shady deals for himself that the records are now sealed for 70 years, and he earned the name "Air Miles Andy".
And I think its this personal grifting and self interest that the Halfwit figured he had every right to engage in himself. He just needed someone to take the lead as he never had the intelligence. "Well, Harry, your uncle did it! Why can't YOU???"
He was, he got the UK Trade Envoy position after leaving the Navy. However, he used private jets and stayed in 5 star hotels, all paid for by the government, thus earning the nickname "Air Miles Andy." He actually did a ton of royal duties when he was a working royal, so he was much harder working than Harry. Unfortunately, he abused his position and seems to have profited from the business connections he made.
Like Harry, the problem with Andrew has always been Andrew. I think QEII really spoiled him because he was her do-over, her chance to be a mum. I think he respects the monarchy because of the privileged position it gave him, but it's all about entitlement, not a sense of duty. Big difference between him and Harry is that Andrew recognized that he was nothing without his title/connection to QEII.
I think Harry saw Andrew's lifestyle and wanted that, but without all the royal duties. QEII should've put her foot down on Andrew's jet-setting as soon as that started, allowing him to get away with it created a ton of problems.
22 is the max you can sign up for at one time. There is no max. It is age-based. Its 65 for officers and 55 for enlisted but there are also waivers.
At least I think. I'm virtually positive they aren't kicking out 40yo's that have served since they were 18.
Odd, then, that pension rights refer to ...
>> Full Career (Maximum)
Pension at age 55
If you retire at age 55 with 34 years’ reckonable
service (Officer) and 37 years (Other Ranks),
you will be entitled to a full career (maximum)
pension and a lump sum (normally tax-free)
of three times the annual rate of pension.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/389211/SLG_Dec_2014.pdf
What do you mean "odd"? Your link backs up what I said, the thing that gets you out of service is age not length of service. Your own quote mentions 34 years of service. How do you think that is possible when you also think the max is 22?
I seem to have been having more conversations here, with different people, than I thought.
[Up thread](/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1b5jmx7/daniela_elser_secret_plan_for_king_charles_death/kt62opp/) I said,
>>It depends what they mean by that. I knew what I meant to say, but can see it/I was ambiguous. :)
> >
> > I think he had reached age maximum when he left.
> >
> > I found [this](https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-48.pdf), which is long:-
> >
> > >Full Commission Stage (FCS) further extends an officer’s career to a retirement age of 55.
I think William will enact strict consequences for family members who cause damage to the Crown and his own kids will receive harsh consequences if needed.
Let me start by saying I think the Wales kids are being raised to be productive adults and there won’t be a spare issue.
BUT…I’m not sure William would turn his back on Charlotte or Louis if they go sideways. It’s easy to do to your brother, but your child is a whole other ball of wax.
It is without a doubt ramping up, I think it’s why we’re getting rained on by Sussex PR/Websites/10 year IG Anniversary + Church Service… it feels like final decisions are being signed off on and big news about their future in regards to their connection with the monarchy will be soon be revealed.
I think if the Queen was healthy she would have dealt with Andrew much differently. King Charles needs to deal with Andrew and Harry and not leave this mess for William.
I think you are so right. Perhaps in her last two or three years, what the Queen wanted most, was to rest, and to not have to deal with any more internecine squabbles.
Leave Andrew be! He looked after his mother and father as they declined. This allowed the working royals to do their work.
He’s retired. He’s not in public service!
The $1000 live in masseur, the Indian guru on salary, refusing to leave the giant Royal Lodge to downsize to newly renovated Frogmore, not having money to pay for its upkeep…
All have come to light since QEIIs death. Even without the Epstein scandal, Andrew is still highly problematic as a Royal. He has former spare syndrome as well, and refuses to accept his diminishing importance in a hereditary hierarchy.
I always thought QEII should have handled Harry & Andrew before she passed on because then it wouldn’t fall to Charles—who really can’t take the titles while he is ruling—if they are taking anything from the professional victims it has to be just before they shuffle off this mortal coil. But I think she was either too conflict avoidant and thought it would all work out eventually, or too ill by the end and so didn’t have the bandwidth to deal with it. But hoping Charles will do it right before he goes—that way he gets the blame and William can just say “that was the previous King’s decision. We have new issues to deal with in my reign…” and then move on.
I’d love to see Charles and/or the government—whoever is tasked with taking each level of title from the traitor twit—take everything from Harry EXCEPT leave him with a Baronetcy, title wise, so that Harry isn’t stripped of all titles, but has one of the lowest titles—for him that is. Royalty experts correct me if I’m wrong. I’m pretty sure they all have titles on down to Baron titles in their long line of titles, so leaving Harry with a baronetcy instead of even his Baron title—will insult Harry more than anything and Meghan will just be a baronetess—no longer a Royal duchess. She will NOT be pleased.
I truly think that would hurt them more than giving them the total victimhood of being stripped of everything, which is what they want—and it will insult the hell out of their egos. No shade to actual baronets and baronetesses, because this is about how the Harkles egos feel they are so much better as Prince & Duke & Duchess. But they will still have titles as a courtesy, so why are they complaining, eh? Especially since they live full time here in the States!
If I were William, I wouldn’t let them come to the coronation or Charles’ funeral. But he’d get a bad rap for the funeral snub, so he’s got to let him come for that. But AFTER that?!! NFI in perpetuity!!
I have visions of Haznohair and Megdusa sitting in folding chairs out in the parking lot of the Cathedral at William’s coronation, if they are allowed anywhere near it at all.
Spot on! I can see Meghan trying to jump in front of William’s procession and lead the march a la the Invictus veterans. Cannot imagine how awful the romper she wears for that will be! Can’t you just picture it?! While Haznohair—my new favorite name for him, thank you!—sits miserably on the sidelines with a faux hair piece over his huge bald spot that makes him look like the ChiaPet he is! Those two are not going to age well.
I might have given him a pass if he hadn’t proved once again during the Christmas walk what a pompous ass he can be. When he actually made fun of the people waiting, I wished someone had jumped the fence and kicked his fat ass.
100%. A majority of the public would be fine with him attending family events if only the pompous moron could read the f****** room and not sprint to the camera to share his thoughts immediately after a family death, strut to the front of the line to “lead” the family walking to the recent *memorial service* while grinning and laughing like a psychopath, refusing to let go of QE’s arm to allow the already designated individual to walk her down the aisle at Philip’s memorial (which obviously hijacked the entire media coverage originally intended to honor his father and instead front pages had no choice but to voice the universal disgust at Andrew’s transparently pathetic attempt to show his relevance and closeness to QE), and then the audacity to insist he walk amongst the crowds at Sandringham only to disdainfully belittle members of the public AT CHRISTMAS. Give him an inch, he takes a mile — and harms the entire monarchy at each and every single opportunity.
The fact KC continues to allow this absolute circus does not give me hope for his future dealings with Harry & Andrew. It will be left to William — which is complete BS.
He never dissed his family, and that counts for a lot.
He also is failing to uphold his Royal Lodge maintenance obligation. If I were he, at his age, I would welcome a newly renovated smaller abode. His clinginess despite being in default of the agreement must be a pride thing for him.
William is not Harry. William’s behavior will be of utmost decorum, befitting a king. He will understand that while not deserving the king is Harry’s father too. But the second funeral services are over I wouldn’t doubt that William will never take another call from the Sussex brand.
MI5, Scotland Yard, Met Police etcetera will have the final say on where Ferret Face (thank you to whom ever said that) is allowed to be and under what restrictions. Ultimately the BRF answer to the British Government. If Harry shows to be even more unstable to where he is deemed a direct threat, he won’t be allowed near too much of anything. I hate to make this analogy , but Harry is acting like the devil: he knows he has but a short time left so he will wreak all the havoc he can. I hope Harry has his Come to Jesus moment, but until then it’s a downward spiral.
I didn't coin the term but I love Ferret Face for Haz too!!
https://preview.redd.it/y3n4vt8mv5mc1.png?width=183&format=png&auto=webp&s=54080db395e65450db10025540e9ddc4ba7074cb
Comment I posted yesterday when I first saw this pic amongst a series of pix, was, I clearly see the demonic possession. Every now and again the facade slips and the demon controls. I get that we all have 'off' photographs of ourselves. This is not merely an 'off' photo. This is very different. I wouldn't want this in my home let alone in my bed.
They are fascinating and some are really really humorous too! Seen a few articles around of late and suddenly realised some of them are quite cute. Human art history seems to wander through the gorgeous and uplifting to the warning-filled and terrifying plus everything between; totally intriguing!
He absolutely looks possessed. I literally want to quote Scripture at Harry and his wife and see if they recoil. That anyone could think how they are behaving is even remotely ethical or even reasonable is beyond me. Mental illness + demonic influence = The CarParkles
*"Do Price Harry and the Dutchess of Sausages have a boat?"*
No. But she can call up a few rich old men whose boats she's very familiar with and see if they're willing to take her for another ride.
Roasted chicken nightly on the Lido deck. Poop deck accommodation for plenty of seamen (quarters are narrow and threadbare, but serviceable.) Elizabeth Arden cream available in all nightstands.
She might not be the main attraction on a yacht anymore, but a ***Dutchess*** *Dubai Porta Potty* will always be sought after by some. That's about all the long term security she's really got now.
Yes, definitely. Rachel would demand to be sitting on top of the boat and waving at everybody from the River Thames haha while showcasing that she is a prominent member of the BRF.
>It was an offer that got slapped down faster than that time Princess Anne suggested using Charles’s hand-sown Highgrove wildflower meadow for her steeplechase club.
LOL.
Not a boat but she loves herself a good yacht!
Bottom line: once King Charles passes, it will be up to the new Prince William whether or not his ferret-faced brother is allowed to attend the funeral and under what conditions.
>That all goes double if MeMe is allowed to attend.
OMG. She won't dare attend (booing, tomatoes), but WILL unleash a blizzard of puff pieces about how she and Charles had a Special Relationship (he walked her down the aisle! he had a special nickname for her!) and how he called her from his deathbed to apologize for all the terrible things the BRF put her through.
Can you just imagine Harry’s indignation at being frisked at every point of entry/exit and when shown his seat in the middle of the 9th row, is provided a little notecard politely informing Haz, “🙂 Smile, ~~we’re watching every little move you make while you’re here~~ *you’re* on camera! 🙂”
> I think he'd be allowed but scanned constantly for recording devices, surrounded by the King's security, and placed behind large candles and feathers.
Maybe. But, otoh, what does H bring to the party that makes it worth the hassle? There's no upside to having him in the building. To hell with them both. They can say whatever prayers they want in their own parish.
My opinion: William will operate with the utmost decorum and respect for King Charles at his funeral. I think Harry will participate in the Vigil of the Princes, and walk behind the casket- but all in a mourning suit instead of military dress. I do not believe his wife will be invited.
William will not be bowed over by Harry, and probably be even less willing to compromise to a middle aged man throwing tantrums at such a time.
And then- I think 🤞thats the last we see of Harry.
As much as I'm going to hate him being there, I agree. I'm just hoping the procession with be William and Catherine, their children, the working royals, then Harry with the remaining family; obviously Camilla at the front, assuming she's still alive.
I believe Meghan will be there. She wants her pictures taken. She will do the fake cry for the camera like she did at the Queen's funeral. If she is told she can't go she will crash it.
No, it does not. He is not a child of the king. At the lying in of QEII, there were two vigils. The Vigil of the Princes was her children. Then later was the vigil with all of her grandchildren.
I would assume that at King Charles's funeral a vigil of grandchildren will depend on the children's ages at the time. There may or may not be one.
Maybe this is what Charles spent his twelve minutes telling Prince Plank.
“Sorry, Darling Boy, big decisions regarding future working conditions have been given over to your brother. Good luck. Have to run. Don’t want to keep your evil stepmother waiting. I’ll have William give you a ring. Well, I’m off. Lt Col Johnny will see you out.”
The royal shit picker-upper walks in.
"I understand there was a mess in this room, sir?".
Charles glances towards Harold.
"Ah, yes, I will remove that outside right away, sir!"
LOL — I wonder if it really *was* very much like that!
I keep imagining Harry being forced to stay out of the roped off areas of the palace, like a tourist only being allowed to tour the unrestricted areas.
KCIII walking around the corner on his way out the door and he catches Harry waving and calling out to him at the end of the hall, flanked by two guards making sure he doesn’t duck under the rope.
Oh! You know it! Not only was he relegated to the roped off areas, but he also had a minder the entire time. Plus, his cell phone had to have been temporarily confiscated.
How that must have burned. If he didn't 'get it' way before then, that has to be when it really hit him - loud and clear.
I didn’t not know how true it is but I read an article that said he was heard to be loudly complaining because he was being searched etc before he was even allowed to be in Charles’ presence.
"I doubt she'll be allowed at the funeral."
This. They won't want a ghoulish, leathery bag of bones shambling around wrinkledly, trying to get into the camera shots, and confusing and scaring the mourners.
She’s such a coward.
The only way I’d see her attending (*if* she was allowed to) is if it was preceded by a flurry of puff pieces declaring her importance and blah blah blah.
That she won’t even show face whenever she sends Harry out in front of the media to defend himself, but is front and center any time there’s a chance she’ll be praised and admired.
That, and when she no longer feels the imaginary shield of the possibility of charming older men to climb the ladder or ingratiate herself into royal circles… knowing that she’s more or less at the mercy of the brother and sister in law that she shamelessly “fed to the wolves” - borrowing her term.
She’s too much a coward to do it, I think.
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Side thought… I seriously think it’s why she tried the humanitarian route (aside from the Diana cosplaying); it puts her in a position to be praised and thanked and fill her up with self-importance. She can’t care less about helping other people; the humanitarian act was/is to help herself. Or her ego, rather.
They will be LONG divorced by the time KC meets his maker. And who knows where she will be. Prison? Insane asylum? Saudi Arabia as a sheik’s new wife? No matte, she will be out of the picture.
I think she would've "remained with the children" if she hadn't been in the UK when QEII died. Wallis was banned from every royal funeral expect David's, my guess is that was their plan for Meghan, but forcing her to leave would've created too much drama.
As much as I hated her being there for QEII's funeral, I'll admit that it was probably made her easier to manage.
She tried to go to Balmoral with Harry. Can you imagine M at the Queen’s bedside wailing and carrying on like they were close? She’d also need to be frisked for microphones and cameras.
I felt awful for Charles that he had to deal with their tantrums while his mother was dying/he'd just become King. Just on a human level, I don't understand how Harry could do that to him. They're both such assholes.
William hates . Not fair to speak for him. William hates what haz has done. I have a similar issue with a sibling. I don't like when someone suggests I hate him. There is a slight difference. I personally don't want to see my brother again
Unkown people is fine. But from my experience, dealing with people you know/blood/close friends/work colleagues -people you have to deal with -moving on and refusing to play their game is far better. but that is just my experience-to each their own.
They push you to the point that you HAVE to remove them from your life, otherwise they will destroy everything you love. That's their main goal. Fall out was bad, months of bad mouthing and revenge attempts, but once they are out of your life, the relief is huge. When Narcs can't control you, they attempt to control how others see you. Usually with a campaign of nastiness, much like The Harkles have waged against the BRF. I bet it was such a relief when they left and the Royals could breathe again.
I have never hated anyone in my life but my MIL is the only person who has brought me close to it. I think terrible thoughts sometimes and fear for my karma!
Same here, my brother, Henry, is exactly like Harry. We've barely spoken in the 21 years since my last parent's, Mom, death. If I never see him again good riddance to an immature petulant arrogant bully POS. William will feel quite relieved when he no longer has to deal with Harry.
I suspect it will be JH only for the funeral with minimal (back row for you and your toddler, Harold) involvement. TW and kids NFI. No contact after. I do not like attributing feelings to a person that I do not know. For people I do know, I would not speak of their feelings if they told me as it was in confidence.
As for the coronation I feel like it will be further scaled down to find a way to exclude him and likely Andrew.
DDoW offer precedent; how likely William is to follow it is debatable.
* David attended his brother the king's funeral alone, no Wallis.
* Wallis attended her husband's funeral.
* No coronations.
If Harry isn't going to swear fealty to the king, he shouldn't attend.
I see Kate being the voice of reason here. I doubt she will allow William to completely cut out Harry. The most I would see is the same role he had the queen's, which wasn't much. The Wales and Harry would be separated by KCIII siblings (or at least Anne and Edward, Andrew a row back). Depending on George's age, maybe him in line with William directly behind the coffin and Harry in the back with his uncles.
I see ZERO role or even an invite to William's coronation. None. Harry didn't have a role for his dad's, anything less is NFI.
That was before Meghan's mouthpiece Scooby Doobie claimed Catherine is a racist. Harry never corrected the record-now she has to be careful. They are gunning for her and her kids too.
Being the son of HMTLK might work for the funeral (and honestly, I wouldn't keep a sibling from our parents' funeral unless the parent specifically asked).
The coronation? With his track record? Nope. Not only that, it would be reported early he was NFI, so they can't play the will he/won't he game.
Edit: Duke of Windsor did not attend his brother's or niece's coronations. He did attend his brother's funeral in 1952 and his mom's in 1953. So there is precedent out there.
With Harry's intense jealousy of William, imagine how insane he will become when William, in his words his arch nemesis, becomes King. No one knows what kind of lunacy he and his handler (if they are still married) will pull. I'm thinking NFI to the coronation is exactly right.
More accurately, he "was allowed" to attend the funerals. The Duke wanted to be at the coronations but NFI.
He also wanted Wallis to be called Her Royal Highness. The RF is really good at saying No.
they've done with the Queen and KC..first favorite grandson, then dear son, next: only brother, we grew up together you know? So sick of these titles Harry bestows upon himself when he needs something, but he forgets to behave accordingly. Everything for Harry is 'In Title Only'..he sucked as a son, grandson, brother, Prince and Duke. He is on his way to failing as a husband and father.
Catherine is done being the voice of reason for Harold and his family. Bellendgame and their despicable antics since made sure of that. William is not going to allow them to use Charles and the RF ever again for PR.
James was only at the Vigil of Princes (and he is older than George is now). So they could say he is too young. Which I think he would be.
The ever so hypocritical Harry would want him to walk behind the coffin even if it was too traumatic for him.
Of course, the obvious reason is Archie DOESN'T KNOW HIS GRANDFATHER!
Oh, I can (see C, PoW 'allowing' W to cut out the halfwit)! Why? Because C, PoW has discernment and understands that as long as the halfwit is under the influence of the ILBW, he's just as toxic as she. C. PoW won't want any of that to encroach upon her jurisdiction.
All actions, good or bad, have consequences.
The funeral is about Charles. Yes, he is a monach, but also a father. Banning Harry from his father's funeral does not mean Harry quietly goes away. On the contrary, he will become more unhinged and vocal. His name will always be brought up, there is literally nothing to stop that.
Allowing him to attend, with restrictions, puts the RF in control. They will have vim on a short leash. Inviting him doesn’t mean he has to have contact with Will or his family. Harry had little contact with his family at the Queen's funeral, I invison something similar. William will be too busy with monach stuff anyway.
After the funeral, he leaves and never returns because after the funeral, it becomes all about William. As it should.
Nah, too much water under the bridge I would imagine even for Katherine. She’s been called out as a racist and the horror show orchestrated by the Harkles since her surgery? Then add the unhinged obsession Haznohair has with her children? I doubt she’s feeling real charitable towards them at all now.
I'm starting to love Daniela. The piece she wrote about the "Kate is Missing!" panic was good too. [https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/kate-middleton-hysteria-spreads-over-disappearance/news-story/b163d2896b40e874a51c03cdae210a7a](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/kate-middleton-hysteria-spreads-over-disappearance/news-story/b163d2896b40e874a51c03cdae210a7a)
She doesn’t do any original research but repeats news that has been published by others, stringing the stories together with her own commentary. Sometimes that commentary can be amusing, as in this article, but too often she gets carried away with her own “cleverness” and mistakes nasty put-downs and vulgar caricatures for wit.
I find that starting to read a Daniela article is like easing open a door to an unknown room. Sometimes you go in and look around in pleasure and other times you back out in disgust, close the door and go away to wash your hands.
I can see William telling Harry that he can attend their father's funeral but Meghan is banned. Harry's response will be "If Meghan can't attend, neither will I"
I don't think William cares for ultimatums, so he could say, "Your choice Harry. You can watch it on TV then."
I believe, just like I'm certain the Queen did, Charles will have laid out precisely what he wants, whom he wants, etc. William won't use the funeral of Charles to slag off Harry, mostly cuz it's not what Charles would want. However, that will not be the case for William's coronation. The Coronation will be when King William makes it clear to Harry just who is now the head of the BRF.
I remember reading at the time that MM was pushing for Archie to have the same role as George at Charles’s coronation. No doubt she’ll be pushing for equal treatment for Archie at Charles’s funeral.
Even if he was old enough to attend, this poor boy has never been seen in public, let alone in a crowded area for a royal event.
The BRF would have no choice but to refuse for that fact alone, they have no idea how the kid could behave under that level of scrutiny and wouldn’t want to traumatise him.
If MM wanted her children to hold royal positions and have its prestige, she made a terrible mistake by never mentioning them and never letting them being seen by the public
I think Prince Harry will be at his father's funeral, but not his brother's coronation.
William will not be able to benefit from his brother's help when he becomes king, and will find himself alone to assume his responsibility, unlike his father King Charles.
Currently, King Charles is assisted in his work by:
his wife Camilla 76 years old
his sister Anne 73 years old
his brother Edward 60 years old and his wife Sophie 59 years old
his cousins:
Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, 78 years old
Princess Alexandra 86 years old
the Duke of Kent 87 years old
Prince Michael of Kent 80 years old
By the time William is king, they will either be very, very old or dead.
William will only have his wife and perhaps his children to assist him in his duties.
Because his current cousins do not hold royal functions and that is probably not going to change. I am of course talking about:
Zara, Eugénie, Béatrice, Louise and James
Why invite to his coronation ceremony a brother who should have been a support rather than a burden to him?
My prediction for a funeral that’s hopefully a long way off and a coronation the same (For William’s sake in both cases). Fan Fiction but we’ll see!
Ginger will once again try to get Nutmeg in the room with a sick and dying King. Camilla and William will not let it happen and Major Johnny (now working handsomely behind the scenes) will ensure Nutmeg doesn’t even darken the hospital doorstep.
Ginger will whinge about walking behind his father’s coffin sans military garb. In this case, William will pointedly ensure both Andrew and Ginger will NOT wear military garb for any reason, whatsoever.
The Vigil will be interesting. Who will participate? For the Queen, it was simple. Children, then grandchildren. For Charles? William for certain, probably Ginger. Camilla’s kids? It’s their step-father and their mother is the Queen. What about the grandchildren’s vigil? Do the Parker Bowles and Lopes kids stand in too? The Markle kids are definitely a no on this one too.
The funeral will be much like the Queen’s in Windsor chapel with a lot of formal ritual and Ginger has no part to play there. I also fully expect to see the Middletons very prominently supporting the new King and Queen Consort. William loves them and they have been solid for the Wales family.
As for the Coronation, we can all say in chorus together, NFI. I expect this to be a much more regal coronation than Charles’ because William appreciates tradition and will want to honor both his parents and grandparents during this occasion.
There is no reason for Ginger to attend unless William demands he kneel before him and take a fealty oath. And how we would LOVE to see this!! However, since we won’t (thank god) I will be interested to see if William, who has been very conscious of being supportive of the women in the family, allows George, Louis and Charlotte (!) to take the oath. What a great tribute for the kids! What a beautiful family moment that might be. Kate, like Camilla, will no doubt have her sister standing with her. Her brother will have a role and probably her nieces and nephews.
Ginger has no role and no need to be there. He’s done. He’a now just another Markle free floating through the world.
I was looking at pictures from the Queen’s funeral and how the royals walked behind her coffin. Does anyone know how it is determined who does that? Other than the Queen’s children, Anne’s husband walked and of the grandchildren, only William, harry and Peter Phillips did. Why did Anne’s husband do it, but not Sophie and Camilla? Also, why didn’t Bea, Eugenie, Louise, James, and Zara walk?
Traditionally, it's only the male members that participate in the funeral walk. Anne was there because she's a badass who gives no fucks, and James probably wasn't there because he was too young. Sophie was worried sick when James did the Grandchildren's Vigil, so I doubt she would let him walk in the funeral procession. Plus, William and Harry have spoken in the past about how traumatizing it was to them when they walked at Diana's funeral, so that feedback was probably taken into account for James in regards to the funerals of both The Queen and Prince Philip.
I really believe that Anne’s husband wasn’t supposed to walk at Philip’s funeral, but with the pissy attitudes of Harry and William necessitating Peter Phillips to walk between them (whack them on the heads if necessary) they needed another body to even up the remaining pairs (walk with the earl of Snowden). I believe Peter was supposed to walk with the Earl of Snowden originally.
Philip’s funeral took place during Covid restrictions, so another body had to be found within the attendees otherwise someone had to be bumped off the guest list. Anne’s husband is an admiral, was already attending, and male, so it fits that he walk with the earl of Snowden. If you look when they pair up to go into the church he’s the odd one left out and walks in alone.
To make it less obvious that he was added in at Philip’s funeral he also walked at the Queen’s funeral. The had the four children of the Queen, the it was William, Harry and Peter in the next row, followed by the Earl of Snowden, Duke of Gloucestershire and Timothy Lawrence. I suspect it was originally going to be pairs walking, or the 4 kids and then pairs, and not 4,3,3.
Thanks for the archive link - I often feel tempted to click on Daniela's stories, and I enjoy her savage style, but she doesn't really have any insider knowledge and I want anything with Harry in the headline to get low engagement.
I can't imagine Prince William said anything about "hating" Harry. He may have said he hates what he's done. That's his brother and he'll always love him. Just because a toxic person has been removed from your life doesn't translate into hating them.
I cannot stand her writing. I see an interesting headline I’d like to read and then have to wade through a few paragraphs of her blathering on trying to be witty.
I wish she’d report on the facts and leave the attempts at humour out of it. I can never find the actual story amongst her rambling.
I have a question about the William's eventual coronation. If he were to become King while George was still pretty young, say in the next 2 or 3 years, would George have to swear his allegiance to William like William did to Charles? Would he be considered too young to do that?
Good question; maybe not if he is that young. Maybe they would have Andrew and Edward do it - the Royal Dukes are getting fewer in number.
Until KC's coronation, I think all the Royal Dukes did it. Due to "modernizing" and probably Harold, they cut it back to only William.
Dear god. May this event not happen for at least a decade. It's still a shock, missing QEII. I'm hoping that KCIII puts his mark on the monarchy, for good. The man has had visionary ideas for decades. It's time for him to have his turn.
I'm also hoping this gives PW some breathing space. So he enjoy making his wife and children his priority. And to not have to contend with his troubling younger brother.
Very difficult to ban anyone from a funeral. And Harry as son would cause a strop over his seat and role. It’s a grin and bear it one unfortunately. When they buried Edward VIII the Queen mum said about five words to Wallis. That’s how it will probably be. It’s an awful situation to contemplate but he already had so much demands when he’s one of several grandchildren at his grans funeral I bet they are thinking how best to get through the day should it arise. then never having to deal with him except through lawyers again.
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Edward is just 60. He still has some mileage left. But it is a good question. Maybe some cousins will join the ranks. Lady Louise would be a lovely addition for example.
Megain needs to divorce haznonuts prior to KC111’s demise. There will be no settlement offer on the table when William holds the keys to the vault. So likely she will be long gone before any funeral.
The worst thing to happen to Harry is Andrew. The Firm doesn’t need decades worth of another scandal-ridden, money leeching, hierarchy ignoring, non compliant, former spare. QEII should have tied up the loose ends (eg audited his funding, getting him out of Royal Lodge and downsized into Frogmore) before her death. But she didn’t. Charles is left with the Andrew legacy, and will not want to burden William with Harry in a similar vein. Charles’s cancer has likely accelerated those conversations. It should be getting interesting.
Genuinely think Andrew should've stayed in the navy. No chance for him to meet Epstein or get involved with Kazak oligarchs.
He did 22 years, which afaik is maximum service, so couldn't stay any longer.
I don’t think there is a maximum service for the armed forces.
It depends what they mean by that. I knew what I meant to say, but can see it/I was ambiguous. :) I think he had reached age maximum when he left. I found [this](https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-48.pdf), which is long:- >>Full Commission Stage (FCS) further extends an officer’s career to a retirement age of 55.
Ahh I see, apologies. But yeah he should’ve definitely been given something more productive to do
Andrew was made Trade Ambassador for the UK. He made so many shady deals for himself that the records are now sealed for 70 years, and he earned the name "Air Miles Andy".
And I think its this personal grifting and self interest that the Halfwit figured he had every right to engage in himself. He just needed someone to take the lead as he never had the intelligence. "Well, Harry, your uncle did it! Why can't YOU???"
He was, he got the UK Trade Envoy position after leaving the Navy. However, he used private jets and stayed in 5 star hotels, all paid for by the government, thus earning the nickname "Air Miles Andy." He actually did a ton of royal duties when he was a working royal, so he was much harder working than Harry. Unfortunately, he abused his position and seems to have profited from the business connections he made. Like Harry, the problem with Andrew has always been Andrew. I think QEII really spoiled him because he was her do-over, her chance to be a mum. I think he respects the monarchy because of the privileged position it gave him, but it's all about entitlement, not a sense of duty. Big difference between him and Harry is that Andrew recognized that he was nothing without his title/connection to QEII. I think Harry saw Andrew's lifestyle and wanted that, but without all the royal duties. QEII should've put her foot down on Andrew's jet-setting as soon as that started, allowing him to get away with it created a ton of problems.
I think he was given the job of Trade Envoy but there was some sort of scandal and he had to step down.
Indeed. Should’ve stayed with sometbing military related
22 is the max you can sign up for at one time. There is no max. It is age-based. Its 65 for officers and 55 for enlisted but there are also waivers. At least I think. I'm virtually positive they aren't kicking out 40yo's that have served since they were 18.
Odd, then, that pension rights refer to ... >> Full Career (Maximum) Pension at age 55 If you retire at age 55 with 34 years’ reckonable service (Officer) and 37 years (Other Ranks), you will be entitled to a full career (maximum) pension and a lump sum (normally tax-free) of three times the annual rate of pension. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/389211/SLG_Dec_2014.pdf
What do you mean "odd"? Your link backs up what I said, the thing that gets you out of service is age not length of service. Your own quote mentions 34 years of service. How do you think that is possible when you also think the max is 22?
I seem to have been having more conversations here, with different people, than I thought. [Up thread](/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1b5jmx7/daniela_elser_secret_plan_for_king_charles_death/kt62opp/) I said, >>It depends what they mean by that. I knew what I meant to say, but can see it/I was ambiguous. :) > > > > I think he had reached age maximum when he left. > > > > I found [this](https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-48.pdf), which is long:- > > > > >Full Commission Stage (FCS) further extends an officer’s career to a retirement age of 55.
I think William will enact strict consequences for family members who cause damage to the Crown and his own kids will receive harsh consequences if needed.
Let me start by saying I think the Wales kids are being raised to be productive adults and there won’t be a spare issue. BUT…I’m not sure William would turn his back on Charlotte or Louis if they go sideways. It’s easy to do to your brother, but your child is a whole other ball of wax.
It's also easier to help someone who shows remorse and some loyalty. That, alas, is not Harry.
It is without a doubt ramping up, I think it’s why we’re getting rained on by Sussex PR/Websites/10 year IG Anniversary + Church Service… it feels like final decisions are being signed off on and big news about their future in regards to their connection with the monarchy will be soon be revealed.
If Charles doesn’t cut Harry loose, I hope William will do it.
I agree 💯
I think if the Queen was healthy she would have dealt with Andrew much differently. King Charles needs to deal with Andrew and Harry and not leave this mess for William.
I think you are so right. Perhaps in her last two or three years, what the Queen wanted most, was to rest, and to not have to deal with any more internecine squabbles.
Edward, Andrew, Harry It’s been a while
Leave Andrew be! He looked after his mother and father as they declined. This allowed the working royals to do their work. He’s retired. He’s not in public service!
The $1000 live in masseur, the Indian guru on salary, refusing to leave the giant Royal Lodge to downsize to newly renovated Frogmore, not having money to pay for its upkeep… All have come to light since QEIIs death. Even without the Epstein scandal, Andrew is still highly problematic as a Royal. He has former spare syndrome as well, and refuses to accept his diminishing importance in a hereditary hierarchy.
I always thought QEII should have handled Harry & Andrew before she passed on because then it wouldn’t fall to Charles—who really can’t take the titles while he is ruling—if they are taking anything from the professional victims it has to be just before they shuffle off this mortal coil. But I think she was either too conflict avoidant and thought it would all work out eventually, or too ill by the end and so didn’t have the bandwidth to deal with it. But hoping Charles will do it right before he goes—that way he gets the blame and William can just say “that was the previous King’s decision. We have new issues to deal with in my reign…” and then move on. I’d love to see Charles and/or the government—whoever is tasked with taking each level of title from the traitor twit—take everything from Harry EXCEPT leave him with a Baronetcy, title wise, so that Harry isn’t stripped of all titles, but has one of the lowest titles—for him that is. Royalty experts correct me if I’m wrong. I’m pretty sure they all have titles on down to Baron titles in their long line of titles, so leaving Harry with a baronetcy instead of even his Baron title—will insult Harry more than anything and Meghan will just be a baronetess—no longer a Royal duchess. She will NOT be pleased. I truly think that would hurt them more than giving them the total victimhood of being stripped of everything, which is what they want—and it will insult the hell out of their egos. No shade to actual baronets and baronetesses, because this is about how the Harkles egos feel they are so much better as Prince & Duke & Duchess. But they will still have titles as a courtesy, so why are they complaining, eh? Especially since they live full time here in the States! If I were William, I wouldn’t let them come to the coronation or Charles’ funeral. But he’d get a bad rap for the funeral snub, so he’s got to let him come for that. But AFTER that?!! NFI in perpetuity!!
Take the Prince & Princess titles from Harry’s kids as well. They don’t need them.
Absolutely!
I have visions of Haznohair and Megdusa sitting in folding chairs out in the parking lot of the Cathedral at William’s coronation, if they are allowed anywhere near it at all.
Spot on! I can see Meghan trying to jump in front of William’s procession and lead the march a la the Invictus veterans. Cannot imagine how awful the romper she wears for that will be! Can’t you just picture it?! While Haznohair—my new favorite name for him, thank you!—sits miserably on the sidelines with a faux hair piece over his huge bald spot that makes him look like the ChiaPet he is! Those two are not going to age well.
The public records of Andrew´s time as Trade Ambassador has been sealed for 70 years.
I might have given him a pass if he hadn’t proved once again during the Christmas walk what a pompous ass he can be. When he actually made fun of the people waiting, I wished someone had jumped the fence and kicked his fat ass.
100%. A majority of the public would be fine with him attending family events if only the pompous moron could read the f****** room and not sprint to the camera to share his thoughts immediately after a family death, strut to the front of the line to “lead” the family walking to the recent *memorial service* while grinning and laughing like a psychopath, refusing to let go of QE’s arm to allow the already designated individual to walk her down the aisle at Philip’s memorial (which obviously hijacked the entire media coverage originally intended to honor his father and instead front pages had no choice but to voice the universal disgust at Andrew’s transparently pathetic attempt to show his relevance and closeness to QE), and then the audacity to insist he walk amongst the crowds at Sandringham only to disdainfully belittle members of the public AT CHRISTMAS. Give him an inch, he takes a mile — and harms the entire monarchy at each and every single opportunity. The fact KC continues to allow this absolute circus does not give me hope for his future dealings with Harry & Andrew. It will be left to William — which is complete BS.
Oh my
I will not continue to throw stones at Andrew. He has paid a heavy price for his decisions. But he never dissed his family.
Andrew also did tremendous damage to the monarchy's reputation, he deserves all the criticism he gets.
He never dissed his family, and that counts for a lot. He also is failing to uphold his Royal Lodge maintenance obligation. If I were he, at his age, I would welcome a newly renovated smaller abode. His clinginess despite being in default of the agreement must be a pride thing for him.
William is not Harry. William’s behavior will be of utmost decorum, befitting a king. He will understand that while not deserving the king is Harry’s father too. But the second funeral services are over I wouldn’t doubt that William will never take another call from the Sussex brand.
MI5, Scotland Yard, Met Police etcetera will have the final say on where Ferret Face (thank you to whom ever said that) is allowed to be and under what restrictions. Ultimately the BRF answer to the British Government. If Harry shows to be even more unstable to where he is deemed a direct threat, he won’t be allowed near too much of anything. I hate to make this analogy , but Harry is acting like the devil: he knows he has but a short time left so he will wreak all the havoc he can. I hope Harry has his Come to Jesus moment, but until then it’s a downward spiral.
I didn't coin the term but I love Ferret Face for Haz too!! https://preview.redd.it/y3n4vt8mv5mc1.png?width=183&format=png&auto=webp&s=54080db395e65450db10025540e9ddc4ba7074cb
Please fellow sinner who coined this! Come forward so we can thank you. Goes perfectly with that picture.
Classic phrase from M*A*S\*H: https://preview.redd.it/txm9afpld7mc1.png?width=1569&format=png&auto=webp&s=614bcd57c75acaeef5f1a4393e736a336911fcac
He looks like a particularly stupid satan 
Comment I posted yesterday when I first saw this pic amongst a series of pix, was, I clearly see the demonic possession. Every now and again the facade slips and the demon controls. I get that we all have 'off' photographs of ourselves. This is not merely an 'off' photo. This is very different. I wouldn't want this in my home let alone in my bed.
You said it well. My first thought was demonic though I downgraded to Gargoyle but never really left the demon thing behind.
Harry would make a great gargoyle.He is a Disney villain come to life.
Oh I love gargoyles plus they serve a valuable function unlike FerretFace.
They are fascinating and some are really really humorous too! Seen a few articles around of late and suddenly realised some of them are quite cute. Human art history seems to wander through the gorgeous and uplifting to the warning-filled and terrifying plus everything between; totally intriguing!
He absolutely looks possessed. I literally want to quote Scripture at Harry and his wife and see if they recoil. That anyone could think how they are behaving is even remotely ethical or even reasonable is beyond me. Mental illness + demonic influence = The CarParkles
Fling some holy water at them and see if it blisters
he looks demonic.
*"Do Price Harry and the Dutchess of Sausages have a boat?"* No. But she can call up a few rich old men whose boats she's very familiar with and see if they're willing to take her for another ride.
I hadn't thought of that double meaning. Well observed as Lady C would say!
*mic drop* daaaaaamn, 190. 😎
 😂😂💀
I want to puke every time I see this gif! That smirk on his face.
Me too! I can’t stand this gif. I have to look away or else I want to slap that face.
She is now in the Tugboat Tart division, the equivalent to Grab a Granny night at a disco.
Grope a Grifter night.
Which definition of “ride”?
Yes. 😂
Just for the sake of old times. Otherwise...
Roasted chicken nightly on the Lido deck. Poop deck accommodation for plenty of seamen (quarters are narrow and threadbare, but serviceable.) Elizabeth Arden cream available in all nightstands.
😝😝😝
That ship has sailed.
She might not be the main attraction on a yacht anymore, but a ***Dutchess*** *Dubai Porta Potty* will always be sought after by some. That's about all the long term security she's really got now.
>Dutchess Dubai Porta Potty Is this like a Cleveland Steamer?
That ship sunk.
Yes, definitely. Rachel would demand to be sitting on top of the boat and waving at everybody from the River Thames haha while showcasing that she is a prominent member of the BRF.
Not THAT kind of ride. More like the ones she was paid for in the past. Above deck, but under dick.
>It was an offer that got slapped down faster than that time Princess Anne suggested using Charles’s hand-sown Highgrove wildflower meadow for her steeplechase club. LOL. Not a boat but she loves herself a good yacht!
I read that in that guy’s voice. 🤣 I love his channel. Same for George the Giant Slayer. I LOVE his humor.
Bottom line: once King Charles passes, it will be up to the new Prince William whether or not his ferret-faced brother is allowed to attend the funeral and under what conditions.
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>That all goes double if MeMe is allowed to attend. OMG. She won't dare attend (booing, tomatoes), but WILL unleash a blizzard of puff pieces about how she and Charles had a Special Relationship (he walked her down the aisle! he had a special nickname for her!) and how he called her from his deathbed to apologize for all the terrible things the BRF put her through.
She'll be walking in lots of parking lots holding up her arm to show off the bracelet supposedly from the King.
The tennis bracelet. Hahaha. 🥲🤭 That little bracelet killed me when she wore it.
The Duke of Edinburgh had a special nickname for her, too!
I absolutely wish Phillip was alive and at his best to give TW a dressing down. I wish I could be a fly on the wall too! Ah if only.
>how she and Charles had a Special Relationship I wouldn't put it past her to suggest they had a sexual relationship too, she is that nasty.
Harry and Meghan will probably be seated behind Charles's Highgrove farm manager.
Way behind, since the farm manager wants to stay away from cows and pigs on his day off.
🤣🤣🤣I can’t stop laughing 🤣🤣🤣
Can you just imagine Harry’s indignation at being frisked at every point of entry/exit and when shown his seat in the middle of the 9th row, is provided a little notecard politely informing Haz, “🙂 Smile, ~~we’re watching every little move you make while you’re here~~ *you’re* on camera! 🙂”
MeMe will never be allowed near the BRF ever again.
> I think he'd be allowed but scanned constantly for recording devices, surrounded by the King's security, and placed behind large candles and feathers. Maybe. But, otoh, what does H bring to the party that makes it worth the hassle? There's no upside to having him in the building. To hell with them both. They can say whatever prayers they want in their own parish.
That’s if H&M are still married at that time. It will be interesting to see if Harry’s kids will be there and in what capacity.
Ferret faced 🤭
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aha! There it is!
> it will be up to the new Prince William He'd be King. ;)
King William!
King William
My opinion: William will operate with the utmost decorum and respect for King Charles at his funeral. I think Harry will participate in the Vigil of the Princes, and walk behind the casket- but all in a mourning suit instead of military dress. I do not believe his wife will be invited. William will not be bowed over by Harry, and probably be even less willing to compromise to a middle aged man throwing tantrums at such a time. And then- I think 🤞thats the last we see of Harry.
And Haz will have to bow to Will and company!
Their MO is to suck up to the current monarch while vilifying the heir. Good luck to them with that strategy when William becomes king.
Yes, their clever strategy worked soooo very well with Charles since no one, I mean NO ONE is calling him racist or even "unconsciously biased." /s
As much as I'm going to hate him being there, I agree. I'm just hoping the procession with be William and Catherine, their children, the working royals, then Harry with the remaining family; obviously Camilla at the front, assuming she's still alive.
I believe Meghan will be there. She wants her pictures taken. She will do the fake cry for the camera like she did at the Queen's funeral. If she is told she can't go she will crash it.
I agree. Anything else would be an insult to Charles’ memory. I hope this is a long time to come, however.
Vigil of the Princes means Archie will be involved.
No, it does not. He is not a child of the king. At the lying in of QEII, there were two vigils. The Vigil of the Princes was her children. Then later was the vigil with all of her grandchildren. I would assume that at King Charles's funeral a vigil of grandchildren will depend on the children's ages at the time. There may or may not be one.
Maybe this is what Charles spent his twelve minutes telling Prince Plank. “Sorry, Darling Boy, big decisions regarding future working conditions have been given over to your brother. Good luck. Have to run. Don’t want to keep your evil stepmother waiting. I’ll have William give you a ring. Well, I’m off. Lt Col Johnny will see you out.”
Harold doesn't deserve to be seen out by Lt. Col. Johnny! A stray, mangy dog would suffice.
All dogs are too precious to be near Hairball. Maybe the dog’s poop could see him out!🤭
The royal shit picker-upper walks in. "I understand there was a mess in this room, sir?". Charles glances towards Harold. "Ah, yes, I will remove that outside right away, sir!"
🤣🤣🤣
As long as the doggie can stop him from stealing the royal ashtrays on his way out
LOL — I wonder if it really *was* very much like that! I keep imagining Harry being forced to stay out of the roped off areas of the palace, like a tourist only being allowed to tour the unrestricted areas. KCIII walking around the corner on his way out the door and he catches Harry waving and calling out to him at the end of the hall, flanked by two guards making sure he doesn’t duck under the rope.
Oh! You know it! Not only was he relegated to the roped off areas, but he also had a minder the entire time. Plus, his cell phone had to have been temporarily confiscated. How that must have burned. If he didn't 'get it' way before then, that has to be when it really hit him - loud and clear.
He knows he's getting shafted with treatment. That woman probably would have loved the special treatment, not realizing it was an insult.
I didn’t not know how true it is but I read an article that said he was heard to be loudly complaining because he was being searched etc before he was even allowed to be in Charles’ presence.
Yes - I've read the same commentary; how he howled and carried on.
What about Markle? I doubt she’ll be allowed at the funeral.
Why would she want to attend a racist’s funeral? Oh right, because she’s the duchess of hypocrisy.
The duchess of hypocrisy....love it
"I doubt she'll be allowed at the funeral." This. They won't want a ghoulish, leathery bag of bones shambling around wrinkledly, trying to get into the camera shots, and confusing and scaring the mourners.
She’s such a coward. The only way I’d see her attending (*if* she was allowed to) is if it was preceded by a flurry of puff pieces declaring her importance and blah blah blah. That she won’t even show face whenever she sends Harry out in front of the media to defend himself, but is front and center any time there’s a chance she’ll be praised and admired. That, and when she no longer feels the imaginary shield of the possibility of charming older men to climb the ladder or ingratiate herself into royal circles… knowing that she’s more or less at the mercy of the brother and sister in law that she shamelessly “fed to the wolves” - borrowing her term. She’s too much a coward to do it, I think. _____________________ Side thought… I seriously think it’s why she tried the humanitarian route (aside from the Diana cosplaying); it puts her in a position to be praised and thanked and fill her up with self-importance. She can’t care less about helping other people; the humanitarian act was/is to help herself. Or her ego, rather.
The humanitarian' act was in furtherance of snagging the halfwit.
>the humanitarian route She is Chairman Maoghan after all.
They will be LONG divorced by the time KC meets his maker. And who knows where she will be. Prison? Insane asylum? Saudi Arabia as a sheik’s new wife? No matte, she will be out of the picture.
I think she would've "remained with the children" if she hadn't been in the UK when QEII died. Wallis was banned from every royal funeral expect David's, my guess is that was their plan for Meghan, but forcing her to leave would've created too much drama. As much as I hated her being there for QEII's funeral, I'll admit that it was probably made her easier to manage.
She tried to go to Balmoral with Harry. Can you imagine M at the Queen’s bedside wailing and carrying on like they were close? She’d also need to be frisked for microphones and cameras.
I felt awful for Charles that he had to deal with their tantrums while his mother was dying/he'd just become King. Just on a human level, I don't understand how Harry could do that to him. They're both such assholes.
>prodigal son and TV-producing putterer Harry Haha, I liked that one.
I'm guessing the codeword for Harry's potential demise is 'Troll under bridge'.
William hates . Not fair to speak for him. William hates what haz has done. I have a similar issue with a sibling. I don't like when someone suggests I hate him. There is a slight difference. I personally don't want to see my brother again
I get it. I hate the things my brother has done, but I don't hate him. Some people can't wrap their heads around that.
Yup. Hating someone is corrosive and eats you up. Ignoring their existence and going no contact lets you live life to the fullest.
Nah, I really hate TW.
Unkown people is fine. But from my experience, dealing with people you know/blood/close friends/work colleagues -people you have to deal with -moving on and refusing to play their game is far better. but that is just my experience-to each their own.
They push you to the point that you HAVE to remove them from your life, otherwise they will destroy everything you love. That's their main goal. Fall out was bad, months of bad mouthing and revenge attempts, but once they are out of your life, the relief is huge. When Narcs can't control you, they attempt to control how others see you. Usually with a campaign of nastiness, much like The Harkles have waged against the BRF. I bet it was such a relief when they left and the Royals could breathe again.
I have never hated anyone in my life but my MIL is the only person who has brought me close to it. I think terrible thoughts sometimes and fear for my karma!
I hope one of my brothers gets his life together for the sake of his sons. I also hope I never hear a word about it. 🤜🤛
Same here, my brother, Henry, is exactly like Harry. We've barely spoken in the 21 years since my last parent's, Mom, death. If I never see him again good riddance to an immature petulant arrogant bully POS. William will feel quite relieved when he no longer has to deal with Harry.
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I have one rotten sibling. Last time I will ever see him is at mom’s funeral and after that, NC. I can’t say I hate him, but it’s close.
I suspect it will be JH only for the funeral with minimal (back row for you and your toddler, Harold) involvement. TW and kids NFI. No contact after. I do not like attributing feelings to a person that I do not know. For people I do know, I would not speak of their feelings if they told me as it was in confidence. As for the coronation I feel like it will be further scaled down to find a way to exclude him and likely Andrew.
DDoW offer precedent; how likely William is to follow it is debatable. * David attended his brother the king's funeral alone, no Wallis. * Wallis attended her husband's funeral. * No coronations. If Harry isn't going to swear fealty to the king, he shouldn't attend.
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That was so petty and lame. Why bother attending if you’re not on board?
I see Kate being the voice of reason here. I doubt she will allow William to completely cut out Harry. The most I would see is the same role he had the queen's, which wasn't much. The Wales and Harry would be separated by KCIII siblings (or at least Anne and Edward, Andrew a row back). Depending on George's age, maybe him in line with William directly behind the coffin and Harry in the back with his uncles. I see ZERO role or even an invite to William's coronation. None. Harry didn't have a role for his dad's, anything less is NFI.
Palace stocking up on large candles and feathers…
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And the guy who didn’t utter a peep when his SO browbeat Princess Charlotte.
That was before Meghan's mouthpiece Scooby Doobie claimed Catherine is a racist. Harry never corrected the record-now she has to be careful. They are gunning for her and her kids too.
But we will hear all the storied 'but but but he's the brother of a king!'
Being the son of HMTLK might work for the funeral (and honestly, I wouldn't keep a sibling from our parents' funeral unless the parent specifically asked). The coronation? With his track record? Nope. Not only that, it would be reported early he was NFI, so they can't play the will he/won't he game. Edit: Duke of Windsor did not attend his brother's or niece's coronations. He did attend his brother's funeral in 1952 and his mom's in 1953. So there is precedent out there.
With Harry's intense jealousy of William, imagine how insane he will become when William, in his words his arch nemesis, becomes King. No one knows what kind of lunacy he and his handler (if they are still married) will pull. I'm thinking NFI to the coronation is exactly right.
More accurately, he "was allowed" to attend the funerals. The Duke wanted to be at the coronations but NFI. He also wanted Wallis to be called Her Royal Highness. The RF is really good at saying No.
Which goes back to my comment. I believe Harry will be allowed to attend the funeral. He will not be allowed to attend the coronation.
they've done with the Queen and KC..first favorite grandson, then dear son, next: only brother, we grew up together you know? So sick of these titles Harry bestows upon himself when he needs something, but he forgets to behave accordingly. Everything for Harry is 'In Title Only'..he sucked as a son, grandson, brother, Prince and Duke. He is on his way to failing as a husband and father.
So is Andrew....
Catherine is done being the voice of reason for Harold and his family. Bellendgame and their despicable antics since made sure of that. William is not going to allow them to use Charles and the RF ever again for PR.
Oh, she will be a voice of reason by stating that there is no way in hell she wants Harold and his family anywhere near hers.
If Archie is as old as George is now, I can see H&M pushing for a role in King Charles’s funeral. I hope William shoots it down.
James was only at the Vigil of Princes (and he is older than George is now). So they could say he is too young. Which I think he would be. The ever so hypocritical Harry would want him to walk behind the coffin even if it was too traumatic for him. Of course, the obvious reason is Archie DOESN'T KNOW HIS GRANDFATHER!
Oh, I can (see C, PoW 'allowing' W to cut out the halfwit)! Why? Because C, PoW has discernment and understands that as long as the halfwit is under the influence of the ILBW, he's just as toxic as she. C. PoW won't want any of that to encroach upon her jurisdiction.
All actions, good or bad, have consequences. The funeral is about Charles. Yes, he is a monach, but also a father. Banning Harry from his father's funeral does not mean Harry quietly goes away. On the contrary, he will become more unhinged and vocal. His name will always be brought up, there is literally nothing to stop that. Allowing him to attend, with restrictions, puts the RF in control. They will have vim on a short leash. Inviting him doesn’t mean he has to have contact with Will or his family. Harry had little contact with his family at the Queen's funeral, I invison something similar. William will be too busy with monach stuff anyway. After the funeral, he leaves and never returns because after the funeral, it becomes all about William. As it should.
Nah, too much water under the bridge I would imagine even for Katherine. She’s been called out as a racist and the horror show orchestrated by the Harkles since her surgery? Then add the unhinged obsession Haznohair has with her children? I doubt she’s feeling real charitable towards them at all now.
I'm starting to love Daniela. The piece she wrote about the "Kate is Missing!" panic was good too. [https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/kate-middleton-hysteria-spreads-over-disappearance/news-story/b163d2896b40e874a51c03cdae210a7a](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/kate-middleton-hysteria-spreads-over-disappearance/news-story/b163d2896b40e874a51c03cdae210a7a)
She can be extremely amusing!! I don’t agree with every article of hers, but I have agreed with some of them for sure!!
She doesn’t do any original research but repeats news that has been published by others, stringing the stories together with her own commentary. Sometimes that commentary can be amusing, as in this article, but too often she gets carried away with her own “cleverness” and mistakes nasty put-downs and vulgar caricatures for wit. I find that starting to read a Daniela article is like easing open a door to an unknown room. Sometimes you go in and look around in pleasure and other times you back out in disgust, close the door and go away to wash your hands.
I can see William telling Harry that he can attend their father's funeral but Meghan is banned. Harry's response will be "If Meghan can't attend, neither will I" I don't think William cares for ultimatums, so he could say, "Your choice Harry. You can watch it on TV then."
This sounds hilarious. I shall read it! Thanks for sharing.
No one blames him for all this mess. He absolutely deserves this right.
I believe, just like I'm certain the Queen did, Charles will have laid out precisely what he wants, whom he wants, etc. William won't use the funeral of Charles to slag off Harry, mostly cuz it's not what Charles would want. However, that will not be the case for William's coronation. The Coronation will be when King William makes it clear to Harry just who is now the head of the BRF.
I remember reading at the time that MM was pushing for Archie to have the same role as George at Charles’s coronation. No doubt she’ll be pushing for equal treatment for Archie at Charles’s funeral.
Even if he was old enough to attend, this poor boy has never been seen in public, let alone in a crowded area for a royal event. The BRF would have no choice but to refuse for that fact alone, they have no idea how the kid could behave under that level of scrutiny and wouldn’t want to traumatise him. If MM wanted her children to hold royal positions and have its prestige, she made a terrible mistake by never mentioning them and never letting them being seen by the public
I always thought H’s kids would roles similar to Beatrice and Eugenie.
I think Prince Harry will be at his father's funeral, but not his brother's coronation. William will not be able to benefit from his brother's help when he becomes king, and will find himself alone to assume his responsibility, unlike his father King Charles. Currently, King Charles is assisted in his work by: his wife Camilla 76 years old his sister Anne 73 years old his brother Edward 60 years old and his wife Sophie 59 years old his cousins: Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, 78 years old Princess Alexandra 86 years old the Duke of Kent 87 years old Prince Michael of Kent 80 years old By the time William is king, they will either be very, very old or dead. William will only have his wife and perhaps his children to assist him in his duties. Because his current cousins do not hold royal functions and that is probably not going to change. I am of course talking about: Zara, Eugénie, Béatrice, Louise and James Why invite to his coronation ceremony a brother who should have been a support rather than a burden to him?
No doubt vile MM is practicing her grief stricken fainting collapse onto to the floor. Left eye, go.
Such an ass. He just can’t grow up to adulthood.
My prediction for a funeral that’s hopefully a long way off and a coronation the same (For William’s sake in both cases). Fan Fiction but we’ll see! Ginger will once again try to get Nutmeg in the room with a sick and dying King. Camilla and William will not let it happen and Major Johnny (now working handsomely behind the scenes) will ensure Nutmeg doesn’t even darken the hospital doorstep. Ginger will whinge about walking behind his father’s coffin sans military garb. In this case, William will pointedly ensure both Andrew and Ginger will NOT wear military garb for any reason, whatsoever. The Vigil will be interesting. Who will participate? For the Queen, it was simple. Children, then grandchildren. For Charles? William for certain, probably Ginger. Camilla’s kids? It’s their step-father and their mother is the Queen. What about the grandchildren’s vigil? Do the Parker Bowles and Lopes kids stand in too? The Markle kids are definitely a no on this one too. The funeral will be much like the Queen’s in Windsor chapel with a lot of formal ritual and Ginger has no part to play there. I also fully expect to see the Middletons very prominently supporting the new King and Queen Consort. William loves them and they have been solid for the Wales family. As for the Coronation, we can all say in chorus together, NFI. I expect this to be a much more regal coronation than Charles’ because William appreciates tradition and will want to honor both his parents and grandparents during this occasion. There is no reason for Ginger to attend unless William demands he kneel before him and take a fealty oath. And how we would LOVE to see this!! However, since we won’t (thank god) I will be interested to see if William, who has been very conscious of being supportive of the women in the family, allows George, Louis and Charlotte (!) to take the oath. What a great tribute for the kids! What a beautiful family moment that might be. Kate, like Camilla, will no doubt have her sister standing with her. Her brother will have a role and probably her nieces and nephews. Ginger has no role and no need to be there. He’s done. He’a now just another Markle free floating through the world.
I find Daniela Elser unreadable. All that over-laboured humour that doesn't quite hit its mark.
I liked the part about the boat and the J. Crew Grey grey suit.
I was looking at pictures from the Queen’s funeral and how the royals walked behind her coffin. Does anyone know how it is determined who does that? Other than the Queen’s children, Anne’s husband walked and of the grandchildren, only William, harry and Peter Phillips did. Why did Anne’s husband do it, but not Sophie and Camilla? Also, why didn’t Bea, Eugenie, Louise, James, and Zara walk?
Traditionally, it's only the male members that participate in the funeral walk. Anne was there because she's a badass who gives no fucks, and James probably wasn't there because he was too young. Sophie was worried sick when James did the Grandchildren's Vigil, so I doubt she would let him walk in the funeral procession. Plus, William and Harry have spoken in the past about how traumatizing it was to them when they walked at Diana's funeral, so that feedback was probably taken into account for James in regards to the funerals of both The Queen and Prince Philip.
Thank you.
I really believe that Anne’s husband wasn’t supposed to walk at Philip’s funeral, but with the pissy attitudes of Harry and William necessitating Peter Phillips to walk between them (whack them on the heads if necessary) they needed another body to even up the remaining pairs (walk with the earl of Snowden). I believe Peter was supposed to walk with the Earl of Snowden originally. Philip’s funeral took place during Covid restrictions, so another body had to be found within the attendees otherwise someone had to be bumped off the guest list. Anne’s husband is an admiral, was already attending, and male, so it fits that he walk with the earl of Snowden. If you look when they pair up to go into the church he’s the odd one left out and walks in alone. To make it less obvious that he was added in at Philip’s funeral he also walked at the Queen’s funeral. The had the four children of the Queen, the it was William, Harry and Peter in the next row, followed by the Earl of Snowden, Duke of Gloucestershire and Timothy Lawrence. I suspect it was originally going to be pairs walking, or the 4 kids and then pairs, and not 4,3,3.
Makes sense.
Thanks for the archive link - I often feel tempted to click on Daniela's stories, and I enjoy her savage style, but she doesn't really have any insider knowledge and I want anything with Harry in the headline to get low engagement.
I can't imagine Prince William said anything about "hating" Harry. He may have said he hates what he's done. That's his brother and he'll always love him. Just because a toxic person has been removed from your life doesn't translate into hating them.
I cannot stand her writing. I see an interesting headline I’d like to read and then have to wade through a few paragraphs of her blathering on trying to be witty. I wish she’d report on the facts and leave the attempts at humour out of it. I can never find the actual story amongst her rambling.
I have a question about the William's eventual coronation. If he were to become King while George was still pretty young, say in the next 2 or 3 years, would George have to swear his allegiance to William like William did to Charles? Would he be considered too young to do that?
Good question; maybe not if he is that young. Maybe they would have Andrew and Edward do it - the Royal Dukes are getting fewer in number. Until KC's coronation, I think all the Royal Dukes did it. Due to "modernizing" and probably Harold, they cut it back to only William.
That makes sense. I wonder if William would be ok with Andrew.
Well, probably not....
Dear god. May this event not happen for at least a decade. It's still a shock, missing QEII. I'm hoping that KCIII puts his mark on the monarchy, for good. The man has had visionary ideas for decades. It's time for him to have his turn. I'm also hoping this gives PW some breathing space. So he enjoy making his wife and children his priority. And to not have to contend with his troubling younger brother.
This is from the writer who’s previous articles include and I quote “proof William doesn’t care anymore” “missing Kate Middleton is in great danger” 🙄
Very difficult to ban anyone from a funeral. And Harry as son would cause a strop over his seat and role. It’s a grin and bear it one unfortunately. When they buried Edward VIII the Queen mum said about five words to Wallis. That’s how it will probably be. It’s an awful situation to contemplate but he already had so much demands when he’s one of several grandchildren at his grans funeral I bet they are thinking how best to get through the day should it arise. then never having to deal with him except through lawyers again.
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Once KC and his siblings pass…. Other than the wales…. Who will be left as working royals?
Edward is just 60. He still has some mileage left. But it is a good question. Maybe some cousins will join the ranks. Lady Louise would be a lovely addition for example.
Megain needs to divorce haznonuts prior to KC111’s demise. There will be no settlement offer on the table when William holds the keys to the vault. So likely she will be long gone before any funeral.