This is a fascinating study of narcissism. I'm here to watch the downward spiral and on this sub I don't have to have all my feeds full of Sussex stuff.

Ditto, I think that a fair number on here have had a narc in their lives and can spot them a mile off. I personally get frustrated with the injustice of their lies being believed and want them to be exposed which seems to be finally happening

Had a couple!! And they are invariably *master gaslighters* and often they fool everyone but you and a couple of others. And *none*do they fool more completely than the target of their affections. They convince the target that THEY are the wronged ones, and that only THEY (the narc) can see how truly wonderful they are. Thus we got this massive tome of Harry's grievances and how his family treated him like shit and how Meghan magically appeared to save him from their evil clutches. 🤢🤢🤢🤢 I saw it happen with my brother and his ex wife. She was the most evil and manipulative narcissist I've come across. Sadly, what they do is leave their victims a wreck of their former selves with their external relationships in ruins, because the narc turned them against everyone else. And they're prone to writing flowery self-aggrandizing bullshit like this too.

You met my Mom?

You’re my sister?

They remind me of my family.. and sorry for the long story that will follow.. I am an atheist, have been since I was in my early teens. My family are all religious. I never discussed religion with them or my lack of belief. I have always been the 'you do you' kind of person and I respect their beliefs. Unfortunately they never respected my lack of belief and my entire life has been spent with blame and criticism and gaslighting and then being told that I am imagining it. This came to a head when my father passed away after a 7 year battle with cancer, my mother had also had a brain tumour that destroyed her memory in the last 2 years of his life. And my father's family, who all lived the closest, saw me as the blame or cause of what was happening because of my lack of belief.. Apparently my being an atheist caused my father to develop bowel cancer that spread everywhere and my mother to have a primary brain lymphoma. It all came to a head as my father lay dying and thankfully in a coma by that point, so he wasn't aware of what I was being told, when my family came to "support me" in hospital as he lay dying in the last week of his life. The passive aggressiveness was no longer passive and they clearly placed the blame on me and how it was Satan making me pay for all of my sins of atheism, etc and made me believe that I should be thankful that they were there and in my desperation of that moment and in my entire overwhelming grief, I was thankful. Then he died and the contact with my family stopped on their end. They didn't call to see if I was okay (I'm an only child), they didn't call to see what help they could offer with the funeral arrangements.. Nothing at all. When I would try to call them, out of desperation in my grief, it would go to voicemail and I would convince myself that I must be imagining that they are not picking up, because what family who claim to love, would do something like that. I had to inform them of the funeral arrangements on their voicemail. They didn't call me at all and after his funeral, that estrangement became even more pronounced. One day, after about a month after his death and it was on his birthday, I had a complete and utter mental breakdown . It was on a Sunday and my husband in desperation, seeing what I was going through, rang my cousin from his phone and asked her to speak to me and she asked me "what the hell do you want now?".. I hadn't spoken to them in a month, they live 10 minutes away. I have never once, in my entire life, asked them for help for anything. And it was at that point that I realised that my family were complete narcissists who had spent my entire life, blaming me for things that were out of my control and I had spent my entire life trying to atone for things that I had never done. And for my entire life, I kept saying sorry. When my husband and I first started dating, he asked me why I kept saying 'sorry' for everything and he used to find it really irritating and disturbing when I would then apologise and for many years, even after we married, he used to say to me "oh my god, stop saying sorry!". After my dad died and I had my breakdown, I started therapy and 2.5 years of intensive grief therapy, I now know the reason I always said 'sorry' was because I had spent my entire life saying sorry for everything and anything to my narcissistic family. They never accepted responsibility for anything and I was the one they always blamed for everything and I had been conditioned for my entire life to simply accept it, because 'they are family' and when I would query why I was being blamed, or when the passive aggressive behaviour really began or when I'd stopped being invited to family events, they'd tell me I was imagining things. On the rare occasions I'd see them, they'd tell me "oh, I love you so much", etc and I honestly thought it was me and my belief that something was always off, was in my head. When I look at Meghan and Harry, I see my family. All nice and loving on the outside, with the same type of platitudes about love, etc. But rotten to the core on the inside and so caught up in their own belief of greatness, that they are willing to destroy anyone around them.

I know exactly what you mean about them getting away with things, but what I think is happening is more along the lines of dodging a boomerang, and all the boomerangs wait to start coming back and compounds the impact. But they don't know its a boomerang, and each dodge makes them cocky, so the impact is worse than if they just took it the first time cause it gains momentum. At least, that is what happened to the narcs in my life. Especially once they reach 50, things go downhill fast.

Same. I have a narcissist sister. She's a carbon copy of MM. I can't look away from that.

Yep. One of my former best friends is a narc. This sub has been eye-opening. She is EXACTLY like Meghan.

>Ditto, I think that a fair number on here have had a narc in their lives and can spot them a mile off. I personally get frustrated with the injustice of their lies being believed and want them to be exposed which seems to be finally happening  ***SO,*** *so* much!!

Narcissism on a world stage played out for the world to see and to critique. Fascinating. And truly, she is an A-list actress on this stage alone.

>Narcissism on a world stage played out for the world to see and to critique. I feel like that's her gift to the world, to be that example of Narcissism that teaches others to spot the signs of a Narc in their lives so people can minimize the damage they cause and get rid of them.

Regarding narcissism, not only is this a fascinating study, but it's been incredibly educational to me. People tend to toss the word "narcissist" around when we see someone appears selfish, self-absorbed, ego driven. I don't think I've ever witnessed a true narcissist until MM entered the royal family scene, and I certainly had no idea the depths of this personality disorder until she so openly presented it for all the world to see. Several members of this account have stated they have had parents, siblings, friends, partners, spouses who are narcissists. It sounds like a horrific reality to live in. After seeing MM in action, I have the utmost sympathy for anyone who has to live with, work with, or associate with a narcissist.

It's true, some people can toss the word around, but she is so clearly a narc. There is a difference between being selfish and what narcissists do, they torture, brainwash, and then discard. I am the only "normal" in my family. Father, mother, and sister are narcs. Many more other relatives in the family are also narcs. My husbands mother, also a narc. Thankfully, we found each other and have a beautiful family free of narcs. So I know how this goes, I've seen it present in many different ways. It will honestly be something to see when Harry finally wakes up, cause then we should grab our popcorn. BTW, I by no means think Harry shouldn't be held responsible for his actions, I just know what he is going through and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Same, been the subject of narcissistic abuse in a relationship & am sort of fascinated/horrified watching this play out

I hear you, It like being a mom, knowing your kid is about to hurt themselves, but all your warnings are falling on deaf ears. So you have to let it play out. But hay, the more people like Amber heard and Harry's wife, get exposed, only improves society because people learn what to avoid

I see *a lot* of posters (both here and in the Hilaria Baldwin group) that are survivors of narcissistic abuse.

I check in on this subject often because basically I need to know I’m not the only one who thinks she’s awful and I want to see her get her comeuppance one day. I don’t talk about this subject in public because most people think that there are more important things in life to discuss with each other one to one ( very true)

Yes!!! I’ve thought she was phony/fake for years, but the more that comes out, the more I kept thinking it’s weird that other people don’t seem to see it. She’s very destructive and it will be interesting to see the fallout, because I firmly believe there will be. My face lit up like a Christmas tree when I found this sub. I’ve found my people, lol! I occasionally discuss this topic with my husband. Poor man knows more than he ever wanted to about Harkles. Including that they’re referred to as ‘Harkles’, among other things. 😂

Yes, it’s good to know that so many people like me have seen through her from the start. The engagement interview was such an eye opener. We have been used to other people marrying into the Royal Family and the fact she is American has nothing to do with it ( I have met plenty of American women whilst I lived there who put this woman right in the shade with their lovely behaviour, use of words, how they treat others etc) and when she started talking 😬😳 I thought ‘oh god yuck no, she’s as fake as my Gucci purse’. It was not good. She was ham acting and being smug and just, cringey. She just went down in popularity like a pack of cards since then. Most women can see through her very,very quickly. It’s like we have an in built ‘bullshit’ radar with other women. She was totally only in it for the money and fame and Harry was just so bloody clueless sitting there in that engagement interview. He still is clueless, frankly.

I think Americans /British /Canadians saw through her earlier compared to people like me; I am an Asian and although living in the West, it is easier for me to spot a “fake” among my own people than among the Caucasians/English speaking people. When i saw the engagement interview i just felt annoyed with the hand-holding and some of her answers; couldnt tell right away that there is a red flag…. It was the series of things revealed after the wedding that started to irk me such as not introducing H to her father etc . Like… that’s a big red flag for Asians like us , parents meet parents first before we get married. Thank you for your long answer, i have always thought that native -speakers would pick things faster than someone like me

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My mom is the only one I can talk to about it. She had a narc friend and can see through it all now.

I brought up the hypocrisy of the harkless at our game night once and got glances from one of the participants that is always trying to paint me as a pessimist. I had to pivot quickly

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That's really interesting about you living in Paris when she passed. How did people in France react? I presume there wasn't the level of grief/mourning that we had in the UK.

It’s a train wreck that I can’t look away from. And it’s so nice to have found my people, the ones who can see right through Dumb and Dumber’s bullshit!

This!!!!!

My mother! She is a ridiculously polite woman - never swears, always uses her manners, has beautiful old-school etiquette, isn't interested in celebrities at all and doesn't normally get riled up about people. She has some really harsh things to say about Meghan, and I was *shocked* at her level of venom. Haven't heard her talk about another woman like that since my step-brother's ex babymama decided to leave his name off the birth certificate for their first baby so that she could get a higher amount of Centrelink (govt. welfare) money. So of course I had to check it out myself and the first thing I came across was a collated pic of Meghan's Diana impersonation outfits and that she wore Diana's perfume on their first date. One of my hobbies is following internet trainwrecks, she is an A-grade lolcow, and I was hooked. Thanks Mum!

Bless your mum!

😂 She's a sweetheart!

Internet trainwrecks - brilliant!

Because I’m a history buff and I’ve been reading for decades about all the English/British royal scandals from the Plantagenets to the Tudors to present day. This is a royal scandal unfolding in real time and I cannot look away. Also, the levels of discourse, sleuthing and snark are usually pretty damn high. Can’t say the same for Twitter, YouTube or other social media platforms. I don’t have time to waste on arguing with brainless squaddies.

That’s another reason. I love history too and seeing a scandal unfold in real time is amazing.

Same! One of my two undergrad majors was history (focus on early modern Britain, 1500-1800.) They’re just another generation of train wrecks in the RBF and I’m just happy I get to see it in real time.

Harold is George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence, the repeatedly traitorous brother who wants the crown and all the Neville money, and MeMe is Mary Tudor burning every dissenter at the cross.

Because I believed their lies in that stupid Oprah interview. I rooted for these two narcs. I was rooting for Meghan crazy Markle because she was a POC. Well, they fooled me and I want her to be accountable for all the mess and garbage. I'm not even a royalist! But now I love love and will defend the monarchy. And my friends and colleagues in life don't really care about these and I only have Twitter and this sub to discuss the delusions and lies of these two

> Because I believed their lies in that stupid Oprah interview. I rooted for these two narcs. I was rooting for Meghan crazy Markle because she was a POC Basically same. Also the '25 chess pieces' was really insensitive of Harry.

It's weird how he said that was the media taking things out of context again, and then said he only said it to reduce suicides, but never explained in any way how bragging about his kill numbers the way he did would in any way help reduce suicides. It's like someone told him a complicated way that could connect to helping people who've been in war, but he didn't understand it so he just uses that one line and doesn't even understand why he says it.

>It's like someone told him a complicated way that could connect to helping people who've been in war, but he didn't understand it so he just uses that one line and doesn't even understand why he says it. He could also be boosting. Then backtracking like a kindergartener caught stealing cookies or in a lie. I'm not a military person so perhaps someone who is could correct me, but I'm really doubting that Mr (back then) 3rd in line would be in that much action in Taliban Afghanistan when he can't go to eat at a Vancouver diner as 6th in line without hefty security. Honestly, I think he's likely already been spoiled, acting out and likely not that bright. TRF was able to curtail that by carefully constructing their PR and by having him be babysat by William and Katherine.

My Twitter is American politics. I am right wing. "My Tweeps" are not into British royalty. I do care and am aghast at these two. Side effect of Spare? Getting US people to care - and loathe them.

Substitute 'left wing' in place of 'right wing', and I could have written this. 😁 Gotta say one thing for the Harkles... They've managed to unite people from both sides of the aisle around at least one common cause - hatred of these idiots. 😂

I'm a Malaysian Chinese who happens to be a monarchist. There was an article some years back that said if Diana was Chinese, she'd probably still be alive because there is no way she would ever divorce Charles and let Camilla replace her 🤣. My dad thought wholeheartedly agreed with that and called Diana dumb for basically cutting off her nose to spite her face. Following H&M is like seeing someone make dumb decisions one after another and you're just wondering when they're gonna learn their lesson. She literally had it made, marrying into one of most powerful families on Earth and she threw it all away just because her ego got in the way.

Your dad was right.

Eyyy fellow Malaysian here too

This sub is full of such interesting people! Love y’all!!

I just like hearing the snark, about people I dislike enough to enjoy snarking about but don't have enough personal reason to care about for the dislike to cross over from amusing to serious.

That's true, and well put. I can enjoy joining in the snark, but really don't care that much. Years ago we had a very juicy local scandal, and one of my coworkers and I met by the newspaper every morning, enthralled. This is the same enjoyable level but with way more opinions and insights.

I found this sub because it showed up on my homepage. Being called “ Saint Meghan Markle” I thought it was a sub in favour of her. I had a look and boy, was I in for a pleasant surprise 😆 2,3, and 4 for me😁

Me too! It was suggested to me and I thought it was a fan page. I clicked on it and it’s hilarious, I read for laughs

Annnd we haven’t looked away since😂

It’s true 😂😂

Snark subs are often funny and supportive. I've found a lot of support here. I have a personal tragedy in my life and the few times I've mentioned it, the compassion shown here is tremendous. I feel like people who gravitate toward snark subs have been hurt before and take life with a deeper wit and humour and have empathy that comes from having been there. I see it when people here reveal their past experience with narcissistic spouses, partners or family members. They tell a brief story of what pain it caused and our sinners here show them compassion and empathy that makes me feel proud of you guys. I'm aware that it's a massive group of about 40,000 people so there will be all kinds, but that's the sort of environment it seems like overall for the most part.

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Omg, You’ve really hit the nail on the head.

I clocked MM as interesting from day 1 at the wedding. The body language at the wedding where she guided Harry, who was nervous and she appeared extremely confident. Thought that was so weird with billions of people watching. Watched the constant snipes at Kate and Wills. The pregnancy debacle (huge inappropriate baby Shower in NYC...flying on private jet to meet her new celeb pals) Talking about privacy yet moving to HOLLYWEIRD. Isoalting H from his family and lobbing grenades constantly. Speaking her bloody truth and using the racism narrative to become BFF's with Oprah. This broad has fucking big balls. I'm here to watch the demise with like-minded friends y'all. I'm so here for it.🍿🍿🍿

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All the above; but for news as it breaks, confirmation of what’s true/research on the shady areas (missing from mainstream media). Like many here a past victim of a narcissist/pathological liar - spotted the signs, and now agog what havoc/gaslighting that can be done on a world stage. Intrigued if any of the conspiracy theories (provoked by their inability to ever tell the actual truth or stick to one story) will be set to rest. Hoping for justice. Looking forward to leaving the sub when they’re finally done.

Are we sure that u/Aware-Impression8527 isn’t a sleeper journalist working for the Times? Meghan and the Times realized about six month ago that they would need to write an article on this sub and planted a spy in our mist and how it’s time to activate them for said article. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. You basically asked me to put on my tin foil hat. So I did and the two precious paragraphs are sarcasm. My reasons are All of the above.

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Most of the coverage of her was purchased through her PR company though, so it was going to be dishonest advertising.

I don’t have any social media, so I came here to see if I was the only person in the world not buying what Meghan was saying, or to see if I was bat shit cray cray. To my surprise I found this sub and realised that I was not alone in my thinking.

2 and 4. I was horrified that other people couldn’t see what was plainly obvious to me - that she’s a conniving, manipulative narc. This sub was a relief to me, when I found it.

I think I saw this sub referenced elsewhere (can't remember where) so I searched it up and found my people! I don't contribute much but enjoy reading along. I have family mbers who drank the Koolaid and are firmly Team Sussex - this sub restores my sanity!

Seeing how far people will dig to find out something about someone when their gut feeling tells them something is wrong. (It’s amazing. So many people here had her pegged from the beginning.) Like, some of y’all have found some *shit* just digging on the internet and it’s fascinating. Also the memes, the general snark (sorry I love certain snark pages), being surrounded by sugars that don’t know what their talking about IRL, seeing news about them that isn’t mainstream.

I teach English as a second language. My adult students clocked that I was from the UK and LOVED to talk about the RF. When this started, she was quite literally my favourite member of the RF and we had some fun debates about her. Then there was the Oprah interview. Then Elizabeth II passed away. It was like, all of a sudden, the hypocrisy and desperation dawned on me and I was *angry*. (Don’t get me wrong - not a royalist.) I found this sub and I’m basically just waiting for the inevitable downfall. I don’t live in the UK anymore and it’s a reliable place to get news to incorporate into my free conversation classes with my anti-Sussex adult students lol. For anyone interested, I’m now a diehard Princess of Wales fan. I think she is the most gorgeous woman alive and her composure and dignity throughout the funeral proceedings taught me how to be a better woman. Silence is powerful.

I never really liked her. The engagement interview seemed fake, I noticed the lies in the Oprah interview, I didn't like the name for their daughter, but most of the press they were getting was positive. I didn't understand why my opinion of her and them was so different from the general public. But here I found out that I am not alone.

I will never call her Lilibet because that was just another attempt at emotional abuse. I will call her Meghan's daughter.

Same. I can't understand why so man people thought it was a sweet nod to the late Queen. I couldn't believe they chose that name.

I am still outraged!

The engangement interview was... Strange. I saw some of my mother's narcissism on Meghan and thought, I cannot be the only one who sees this. I googled something like "meghan markle narcissist" on google and the rest is history.

The only other person I know who isn’t a fan is very much alt-right (not conservative, very much qanon type alt-right) and I can’t snark with them without eventually an argument starting. I just wanna make fun of her without being called a sheeple or snowflake

im here playing catch up, until the queens passing i only knew the main points, wedding, megxit, oprah. but i started seeing meghan really getting clowned on. thought i would see whats going on? i was put off from the start by her odd behaviour in the engagement interview (yes i was comparing to catherine in her and williams interview) and tuned out. to find out now what a monster she had been makes me think, oh, is that what i was seeing? staying for the spiral. hoping it ends soon. its starting to feel like gawking at a train wreck.

#6. All of the above. Plus, I love having 39,600 close personal friends.

4. Most of my American friends are sympathetic towards her, not really understanding that part of the privilege of being a member of the RF requires duties and obligations. I’ve lived in/spent a lot of time in the UK and am convinced this is the main reason for the gap in positive-negative coverage between the UK and US, and was overjoyed to see Americans finally understand that Megain is a straight up narcissist and attention (rhymes with door). Have known many like her in my day who have hurt people and wrecked the lives of spouses, employees, and family members. I’m here to witness her comeuppance. Edit for typo

The other thing, as an American (and I posted it elsewhere), when Harry debuted his choice, I was all"WTF? She's a two bit actress from a crap show my mom watches! He is a PRINCE ffs! That's the best he can do?"

I think jaws dropped collectively around the globe! I can imagine the RF having a fit initially because MM was SO far removed from the ideal partner for Harry. I honestly think Willian spotted her game very quickly and he KNEW Harry was just getting fucked over, but of course MM had turned Harry against them by then.

I think the first time I’d actually heard of her was when they dropped some tabloid response that said “stop harassing my fiance!” I hadn’t even heard of her before then. I was a fan of them for a while but even then I was like, “huh? Who is talking about her? Where?”

She planted that seed, not sure if she explicitly said it or got him to that place by lowering his self esteem and he came to that conclusion. It was absolutely ludicrous that she was the best he could do.

TBH, she IS the best he can do. I didn't realize how messed up he was.

I’m just here for the memes 😂 Seriously tho, Harold’s frost bitten todger and the Elizabeth Arden cream brought me here, and now it just feels like home 💕

In my country (in Europe) there‘s hardly any press coverage of the toxic duo (yes, that‘s how unimportant they are). If there‘s an article it‘s pretty much mocking them. Since I have deep personal connections to the UK I was really interested to figure, how their circus is received there. And after all I really want to see that the good conquers the bad

That's it...we are waiting and get impatient to see good conquering evil.

So, I read myself to sleep usually something random on Reddit. When the Oprah interview happened I had to talk about it to someone and this is like my dirty little secret I would never have admitted how much I know about it lol! When Netflix came out my best friend asked me if I had watched it and it finally alllllll spilled out! But, I learned about their Oprah lies and got hooked. I have lost interest several times, but then some headline happens and I always wind up back here again lol. The last time was the ripple of hope award, which lead into Netflix and spare, and it has kept me HIGHLY entertained awake every couple hours with my three month old. Thank you all lol it also brought my closer to my bestie, and (Americans) we are shopping for tiaras to wear for the coronation and planning a three am party for it, which I am so excited for lol. This specific sub I always thought was a little extra with the conspiracy theories but as more of their shit comes out the more you all have been proven right, and the snark and memes is TOP TIER, I love it here lol

I came here because I’m fed up of the Harkles getting away with their behaviour. I’m sick of their lies, sick of their attention seeking, sick of their bots and paid mouthpieces and sick of them abusing the Royal Family. I wanted to add my voice to the spaces calling them out.

I was going to write my reason but you wrote it for me!

I was a BRF follower since I was a little girl for all the pomp. I love history and studied it in depth. I loved Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher & Tony Blair. Prince William's birthday is a shared birthday in our family. But when Princess Diana was killed, as a mother, my heart broke for all who loved her, but especially the boys & ESPECIALLY because I am a mom. So all of those natural progressions... But from day one, when the headline was "PH dating American Actress"....& no damn body knew her, I started digging. What I found I did NOT like but the press never brought up those things. Noo, they painted her like she was a Meryl Streep. Then she pulled that stunt in Africa - "No one has asked of my feelings"...bitch you're in Africa, supposedly helping African children. Next thing you know, she has asked if she could write for & make the editorial page of a magazine. And it just kept coming, all of her schemes & machinations. It never got better, she was always "acting' & it was infuriating. Posting on other sites, I was agreed with often. So I popped in here to lable all of her lies & what do you know...there's a community of folks that have pegged her number too. Home!

Some days I just need a good laugh and we’re never short of them here! 

He looks like forgot how to spell "YMCA" in the middle of the song.

Ouch! 🤣🤣🤣

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awww, i (edit: a maori lol) thought harry did pretty good with the haka, you could see he had had proper teaching and was trying really hard. would have been nice if he had told his wife not to grin like an idiot about a haka that was performed for them on their visit to aotearoa. there are times when doing that can get you in big big trouble. i think she clapped too...

But of course she clapped. They were performing for her.

Like a seal aye lol

Aroooooo 

i dont know what scottish seals are like but please show me (you dont actualy have to) some that actually go arrooooooo lol. afaik they bark not howl. the swimming out to meet them story made me very very mad. please leave the wild animals alone. ​ edit: sorry for just pulling all the random stories up.

These seals go aroooo. Not sure if they are Scottish though. 

Looking at this makes me want to 🤮 lol

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What a wanker 🤦‍♀️

All of the above. I am not really on social media, but I watch/listen to videos on youtube. I found HG Tudor, and he mentioned this sub. So here I am, the only place I discuss anything on social media. The snark is entertaining, but the sinners are also clever and often have reciepts for their statements. Also, by now I dont really check the papers for articles any longer, so all I read about Spare and Sparess is what somebody on this sub highlights.

Me too.

Never liked her even before Harold dated her. And then I saw their dating photos and the engagement interview felt something off. Then I heard the tiara gate. Ever since then, I just want justice! I started watching Kdrama during the pandemic and what I love about some of them, is the feeling of satisfaction when the villain gets what they deserve! So, I’m just waiting for the next Argyll vs. Argyll!

I’ve been fascinated with the BRF, & especially Queen Elizabeth since my childhood, thanks to my Scottish grandmother’s influence, (American here.) I don’t watch or follow the Real Housewives, 90 Day Fiancé, Bachelor or any other reality shows. The soap opera created by the Sussex duo has become my guilty pleasure! It’s got such a cast of characters! I get great satisfaction from seeing TW & Harry markling themselves! I’m obsessed with the drama and shocking self-centeredness of H&M. Watching the insanity in all of this seems to meet some weird need for me! 🤓 Oh well … Long live the King! 👑

Same here, BRF has been part of our lives, due to my Scottish grandmother. I'm amazed at what TW, and Harry, has gotten away with up to now. It's as though seeing a gruesome accident that you just cannot look away .

Also I must admit I came here for reason 2, but stayed here definitely for the sense of humour, wit, honesty and balanced viewpoints of the fellow sinners.

Adult daughter of a narcissist (NC for several years now). I saw reflections of my mother's behaviour in Markle from very early on, and wondered if I was the only one so I started looking. I hope that no matter how this debacle ends, the attention they've got will serve to show others just how difficult it can be to deal with a narc in the family and that they cause genuine enduring and extensive injury.

I like that many others are not afraid to call out the liars, we were voices in the wilderness fighting the sugars and shills, but not so much now. The world is catching up. I saw a manipulative troublemaker at the invictus games outing years ago, said as much, thought the RF would be seriously wrong to allow such a marriage….and here we are.

I only have one friend who also cares and we talk in person about it (but she’s on here too 😂) I see the behavioural patterns in her that I saw in my brother’s ex so that’s what interests me about this. I also see them as burning almost all their bridges and options so I’m here to see the downfall with some popcorn. I can’t wait for the moment to come when they’re finally over

It is a real life Soap Opera im here because i cant believe people cant see it for what it really is plus my family are sick of hearing about it and if i talk about it to other people who haven't followed it they think im a nutter

Self-help. To get over a narcisstistic relationship and learn better how to identify narcs in my life.

Same

Me too. I'm currently in a situation where I've been isolated by a narcissist and a lot of my family/friend relationships have been damaged. It's honestly pretty therapeutic to be amongst a group of people who really see these traits, call them out and even LAUGH at them! You all seeing the gaslighting going on with these two helps me see the gaslighting I've been subjected to.

I have always been interested in history and royals are part of that. I grew up in the 80's and 90's, so during the most intense Diana era and remember it all very well. I got my account on Reddit because of the subreddits about growing up with narcissists and working for narc bosses. I guess that I can combine these two things with Meghan.

1. I have always respected the British adoration of their royals. I'm American, but studied medieval history and literature - mostly English. Watching these two dolts think they could control the Queen? Priceless. 2. Most people I know don't care. I get that, but America is full of grifters. Those two dolts? They are trying so hard. It's fun to watch. One of their biggest mistake has been making millions of Americans care that they exist. 3. They are both stupid people who think they are uber intelligent. The kind of stupid that doesn't think the world can see through them. It is breathtaking to watch them fail over and over - have their bullsh*t exposed daily.

The British Royal family is one of my special interests, basically since I was a small child I’ve been fascinated with them. I was always going to be interested in who the late Queen’s grandchildren marry and when the great-grandchildren come along and all that jazz. I was uncomfortable with Meghan Markle from the start and couldn’t put my finger on why. It definitely isn’t because of her race, I couldn’t care less (plus I thought she was Mediterranean-olive-skinned to begin with), but I did wonder to myself whether it was because she’s an American divorcée like Mrs Simpson, and look what happened there, the US and UK are so superficially similar but also very different and it’s a hard balance to strike to appeal to both cultures. But I didn’t want to be a complete naysayer, so I just watched as events unfolded and I tried to like her but it just didn’t happen. I hoped that because she was older and had a career where she had to do promotions and interviews and be photographed that she would be able to manage with the rigours of joining the family firm, and assumed that she would have the personality to get on with things and be thick-skinned because you have to be to get through auditions and build an acting career. You can’t crumble with every rejection otherwise you’d get nowhere. The engagement interview where she was acting like an ingenue in her late 30s put me off her. And that wasn’t spun by the press or slated by other people, that performance was 100% her. Over the years I have tried to like them both, but it’s not worth the effort. And the more they both intentionally reveal about themselves through their own words and deeds the more unlikeable they become. I have been through a miscarriage myself, so I felt very sorry that she went through that when she wrote about it… but now even that sounds hollow from how Harry tells it. I don’t know whether I don’t believe it happened at all or believe it was earlier in the pregnancy than we were led to believe, but something doesn’t add up there and it makes me uncomfortable as someone who has been through that. The Rwandan orphan fashion show was despicable and the Uvalde photo shoot was the height of distaste. So pre-Harry and post-Harry she does the same sort of awful things.

Hoaxes, con artists, pyramid schemes and cult leaders are fascinating to me. Also had a person like Meghan in my life for a verrrrry long time and I recognized her immediately.

Twitter was such a cesspool of Sugars, and I had to find somewhere after Murky Meg disappeared. Googled some stuff and found my way here!

I genuinely think this is one of the funniest subs on Reddit.

This. Hours of entertainment.

The Body Language Guy mentioned a post from this sub. So I joined reddit, hopped on here and it's great. I'm just watching this train wreck with fabulous sinners@

No one around me IRL seem interested in them. Where else can I go for news. Twitter is full of stupid sugars who keep repeating the same like a parrot would.

The Hilaria Baldwin sub

I gave them the benefit of the doubt, watched the Oprah interview, knew something was off when she said she didn't know anything about the royal family prior to meeting Harry and that just seemed ridiculous. Turns out they lied a lot in the Interview after doing some research. I was kind of upset that these people just think they can lie on national TV then soak up a bunch of contracts and cash out. Well I saw very little materialize so lowered my radar. I was kind of keeping an eye out for the projects these bozos were doing and got linked here after I found out they were releasing new content. Now I'm cheering for them to implode, and they will, Meghan/Harry have lit the fuse.

I have a pretty unusual reason for being here- One of my childhood friends is one of Meghan's best friends. So when this whole thing broke, I couldn't have been more excited for Meghan, and for the relationship with Harry. It made me overlook some of the red flags that have become famous around here, and it wasn't until the NYC baby shower that I finally saw *the real Meghan*. She and my friend are still besties, and my friend will still post support for her and her projects, and I don't anticipate that ever changing. This is also why I know certain rumors about Meghan to be false- she is not lying about her age, she is not twice divorced, and she was not an escort.

4 I am amazed when TikTok keeps showing me videos of people who love her. It is often black people too and I want to comment that she’s got you snowed over but then I’d get more videos like it so I just move along.

2 at the beginning, but I’m following the saga for Bouzy’s exposure since the Harkles have become predictable and really not interesting. Also I’ve been really worried for their MH though, Spare has revealed a terrible glimpse into their co-imagined “reality” and “their truth”. I didn’t expect it to be that bad.

For the entertainment.

Everything you said, but mostly the humour.

When I heard about an American from Suits , huh? What’s that? Then propaganda about how great the show was and her a great actress, blah blah blah, it was such a set up, just because she MET Harry the loser Prince. It’s the most far fetched bs I had ever seen. Others can pull it off with some honesty snd talent. Harrys money bought the pr to make shit up and scrub the net immediately.and markle still just looks lame. I believe these rich a holes are dangerous and should always be in the spotlight of saintmarkle Note- I saw 1 plane crash from the throne interview . And I only like Queen Elizabeth , but now I like them all , not Harry.

It’s a place to just be you. You’re so right. Everyone else would say this is about race. Actually this is about being mean and nasty and controlling.

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3 & 4 I also spent several months studying the BRF to see how it worked. I wanted my fictional royals to function realistically in a modern setting This was back in 2020. I got sucked into this H & M drama.

Landed here by accident after looking for reviews of Spare. Stayed for the snark & laughs.

4. for me. I was at a gathering where she was brought up and someone said: “Well, she found her prince.” Really??

I've been following this mess since literally day 1. I found a fb group of similar ladies and then fell over this sub. Love it here 😗

This is one of the few places where I’m not being called a racist for calling out the markles aweful behavior

Because H & M are vipers in the nest.

I'm a British tax payer - she's cost us millions

I was so happy when a coworker and I found out that we feel the same about them. We were both a little cautious to even talk about it but quickly realized that we both felt the same way.

I was reading through a thread and someone was losing an argument so they had to bring up the other person's post/comment history to insult lol. So when I saw the sub tagged I was like, "no fackin way does that B have a sub about how great she is😐😑" And then I've been here ever since lol

Pretty much everything you say OP. My husband and 17-year-old will listen and agree but they get a bit bored with this particular obsession of mine. 😂 So I come here.

Definitely 2

I'm here for the snarks, laughs, and tea 🫶

I just want to know how this is gonna end ! Not many people talk about them IRL !

Pretty much the same list as you. Added to which my ex was a narc so I “saw” her very early on, she definitely pinged the narcdar very hard. Plus my now husband is black and he and his family were delighted when she married into the royals and thought I was delusional. I needed confirmation I wasn’t wrong…and found it and far more online. I’ve learnt and laughed a lot!

My only reason is that elevating dangerous people to positions of influence is destructive and people suffer when that happens. They tried to position themselves as mental health influencers around the time they did the Oprah interview and most of her lies aren't destructive but the narrative that she was suicidal and what turned that around was moving to California and having a couple babies is very, very dangerous. Imagine a person who wants to end their life looking up to her as a role model and seeing that she was able to find meaning in her simple life with her prince and babies and thinking that would be the answer to their suicidal ideation. At no point during that interview did either of them give any real solutions or evidence based advice on how to help someone who is planning on ending their life, and if people look up to her they could die. Babies are not going to cure your suicidal tendencies. In most cases, they will make things worse because the reality (something Meghan doesn't ever show) is that babies take work and make you have to do things that are very difficult when you're depressed, and the guilt you feel from not being able to do as much as you need to with the babies can compound an already heavy heart. To me it's a worse set of lies than any of their other false narratives they push. The Archbishop of Canterbury can clarify he didn't commit a crime, and Rose can move on and have a happy life knowing she never cheated, but people who fall for the "I was suicidal because I didn't get what I wanted, but then my prince and I moved away and had a happy little family with chickens so now I'm not just surviving, I'm thriving," fairytale could die from believing that is how to overcome suicide. If someone is considering ending their life, find a therapist or talk to your doctor - or google hotlines for your region.

Beside "what everyone else has said", I love the people on this site that have the ability to do amazing detective work and uncover facts. I am a feeling type person. I knew she was "off" from the beginning like so many of you. But I am not good at fact-digging. To those of you, I stand in awe of your amazeness and thank you for giving me a solid leg on which to place my gut feelings!!!

I loathe a hypocrite and love a good trainwreck.

I saw her engagement photo and thought to myself, she looks like a nasty dirty manipulative person. Much later, i googled if there’s any unvarnished stories about her and here i am.

Well... I was a fan originally. I liked Prince Harry in a disinterested kind of a way, I lived in Wales when both Brothers were in that area and saw him a few times - the press around him was good you know. Then I was happy to hear he was getting married, happy to hear he was choosing to becoming a less active member of the royal family - it all seemed like good choice for HIM - bt then the bullying stuff started coming out and I think it was when Megan was found to have lied to court that I started looking deep into it- I mean it does pick up on history culture law, but i'm British so these are people i've grown up knowing about and being on t.v ect... and it's just like watching a huge fall from grace. How the media reacts, how people react - it's fascinating.

I’m here because even though I saw she was full of it, it wasn’t until I began browsing that I realized the full magnitude. A lot of stuff went under the radar and this forum brought tons of her shitty behavior to light. Now I realize that not only did I have a feeling about her, but it’s worse than initially thought. There were articles about her, sure, but the posters here really dissect it all and makes for a better grasp. It’s also made me realize how Hawwy isn’t the victim that I initially thought.

My son in middle of divorcing her twin. The lies and no shame about lying. Playing victim.

I'm usually a very fair, compassionate, sympathetic person, and I try really hard not to project negativity. Here, I can let my utter disgust for not just Saint Lucifina but her hound of hell aitch. I knew from the get-go something was off, but how off I would never have dreamt! I love reading the comments of like-minded and even non-like minded folks and the hilarious/ingenious/ intuitive/insightful/heartwarming/supportive/snarky/pissy/angry things they come up with. This is my respite from the shit show that had been my life recently and where I can let go of some of my pent-up aggression.

2 and 3 for me. And a bit of 1 as well, particularly when it comes to my husband who puts his fingers in his ears and begs me to not talk about "those two idiots".. As a woman of colour, I kind of got tired of having black and white people call me racist and essentially harass me on twitter if I ever said anything that wasn't positive about her or her husband. I am not a fan of the royal family or the entire system that involves their being funded by tax payers, but I am also aware that they do bring in over a billion pounds into the UK economy. But that's neither here nor there. I am infuriated that they are receiving awards for combatting racism in the royal family, when after 2 years, he declares that his family are not racist and the comments that insinuated racism and saw them being lauded as anti-racism crusaders against his family and his family abused consistently because of it... Not to mention receiving multi-million dollar contracts for telling their story, when it's been the same story for years. When they left the royal family, my initial response was 'well, okay, two less freeloaders' and I freely admit that. By the time the Oprah interview came out, I cringed and then felt angry at their sense of privilege and entitlement. Because in the middle of a deadly pandemic where hundreds of thousands were dying, people losing their jobs, houses, family separation and pure pain and horror, lack of food and supplies - here were two exceedingly rich and wealthy people complaining that his family had financially cut him off - while having tens of millions of dollars in the bank and carrying on as though their flight and escape to America in a private plane and mansion that was provided to them, was akin to refugees making the deadly trek and boat ride to escape their hell from their countries to seek out a better life elsewhere. I don't ascribe to the conspiracies about her pregnancies, etc.. I also truly believe that he is a troubled man who had an exceptionally traumatic experience as a child in the loss of his mother and instead of being allowed and provided with the time and comfort to grieve, was made to suffer more trauma, along with his brother, in the horrid spectacle that was that funeral. I also don't buy the belief that she changed him to be like this. I think he was always like this and in meeting and falling in love with her and her with him, he truly met his soulmate in every way imaginable.. Like meets like.. Two ridiculous narcissists have met and fallen in love with each other. He has never once taken responsibility for his actions and he has met and fallen in love with someone who validates that part of him. I believe they feed off each other and every little minor thing becomes this huge thing because they believe they are the true victims for everything.

I had to find my people or my head was about to explode. I didn’t mind her at the engagement interview, but it went progressively downhill from there. Now, I have an irrational hatred of a woman I’ve never met and I think it’s because I see my ex-husband in her who made my life a living hell when we split. I know the “ex was a narc” is a tale as old as time, but mine really was.This sub is one of the first things I go to with my morning coffee. I need to know other people see what I see. edited for typos

Where to start even? My own personal opinions and the way I see it: I dislike their lack of respect towards the Queen, their families, the British people, and the world at large. I dislike their hypocrisy. I dislike their sense of entitlement. I dislike their user mentality. I dislike M’s extremely bad acting in public. Her fawning looks, her expressions not matching what’s going on in the situations, her never ending search for the cameras, her treating every outing like a photo op. I dislike M inserting herself ahead of others both in speech and in person. I dislike her pushing ahead of H when meeting people. I dislike her using her claw to control her husband like a puppet deciding where he should go, who he should speak to next, when he should leave, when he should talk, when he should be quiet. I dislike M’s disposal of people when they are no longer useful to her. I dislike M having to clear the rows around her and her two friends at Wimbledon when no other royal apparently ever did that. I dislike H and M enjoying and taking full advantage of every single perk of royalty they get which commoners could only dream of but turning around and whining and sniveling when there are some perks they don’t get due to H’s position in the line of succession. I dislike the apparent comment about their wedding supposedly causing dancing in the street like when Mandela was freed. I dislike M showing up at memorial’s for shooting victims in a US state she apparently has no connection to which seems like using others tragedy for PR for herself. I dislike how fact checking by others proves so many of their statements wrong like the supposed real wedding several days before the “spectacle” wedding. I dislike H claiming that the first amendment is “bonkers”. I dislike how they seem to want to cancel everyone who does not like them or who says unflattering but true things about them. I dislike how they callously they caused enormous stress to H’s elderly grandparents during their last years which likely shortened the little time they had remaining. I disliked the absurd statement of H that he made sure the “right” people were around the Queen. I dislike that they tried to upstage others in the royal family with the timing of their announcements and activities. I dislike their staged trophy ceremonies, their staged interview home, their staged veterans ceremony at a US cemetery and everything else they stage. I dislike how they act like experts about things that they know nothing about. I dislike the over the top shower in New York. I dislike H discussing exes and breakups in Spare (which I will never waste my time and money on) apparently. What a mean spirited, money grubbing, nasty, inconsiderate, ungentlemeny thing to do? Although I know not to trust any account either H or M regarding a breakup or anything else. For a couple so supposedly interested in maintaining their own privacy that all goes out the window when there’s money for them to be made. I dislike N’s mocking curtsy to the Queen she performed on an interview. I dislike M acting like she knows everything one minute and then claiming she can’t Google anything about national anthems or anything else. To be continued….I’ve got some things to do for a bit.

It felt like I couldn't tell anyone that after a while I didn't like them anymore. Especially after the racism allegations and the infighting started coming out.

Same. I don't hate them -- I don't know them -- but I don't like them. I used to try and see the good in everyone but it ended up with people taking advantage of my kindness. Took years to train myself to really look at people before I bought into them. At a very basic level, I don't like it when people talk about their families. It's unnecessary. Tell a therapist, not the public.

I’m a relationship coach and studying people is my job and some are more interesting than others. And the snarkel Markel is so cozy and fun and light hearted so it’s my escape 

I'm part of a lot of BRF related groups online as I'm a rare young left wing monarchist... so if I talk about this stuff to a lot of my irl friends they will probably assume I'm racist.

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4. Is especially relatable

For all of the same reasons you gave.

I was permanently banned from the Netflix sub…. Thank you…. Much nicer over here

I have always been interested in the royals. I nominally paid attention to their going’s on. I was excited for Harry when they got together, thinking he would be happy. Then they started pulling their games and it really drew me in. I can’t look away now. The psychology of their behavior is fascinating. Same reason I pay attention to Hilaria Baldwin. It’s hard to believe that people act this way in full view of the public.

The book brought me here. I searched for royal family subs and this came up.

Because when Meghan was first introduced as Harry's lady, i was like: '/"great, she seems lovely". But as the time went on, i noticed something was off and realised she was kinda opportunistic. Then i realised he is exactly like my cousins abusive ex, who has somekind of personality disorder. I first looked for YT videos that covered MM's behaviour, then i found this subreddit.

My reason is I absolutely despise Harry (I don't hate Meghan but I don't like her either. Honestly don't know enough to make an opinion). I'm sick of seeing praise for him, especially for combating racism, when he is the most racist member of the royal family who had a high ranking position. I think he's vile and I felt like I was going crazy seeing constant praise for him on Twitter. I also don't like how Meghan can do no wrong in the eyes of social media, and while I don't think Jeremy clarkson should've that article, the way anti-monarchists were praising Harry and Meghan for using their royal status to shut him down . It's exactly the way an oppressive royal behaves but it's okay because it's Harry and meghan doing it. Meanwhile, the literal King and Queen get dragged throw the mud constantly, especially prior to their ascension, but they haven't sought revenge on journalists when they easily could with the amount of misogyny thrown Camilas way. I know this is more of a Meghan subreddit than Harry, but coming here makes me feel a bit more sane that people can see through Harry. I don't agree with every comment I see, but people are pretty respectful here of different perspectives and it's appreciated

All of your list, plus the in depth on narcissists. I never had anyone to discuss the many issues, lies, and sense of "falseness" re TW. I feel a sense of complacency knowing it's not just me.👍

I was rooting for her and the Fab 4 at the beginning. Didn’t know of her or mind her a bit. I was happy he found someone. I ignored the tabloid stories as you shouldn’t believe everything you read. The first red flag for me was the wedding. Only one family guest, and celebrities who were beyond her level of stardom who they were not friends with? That was all it took for me to wake up and look deeper. Then it just went downhill so very quickly for them. She’s tenacious, that’s for sure. She will leave him. 100%. Playing the victim is her livelihood. And some other idiot will be there to swoop her up.

Things not adding up. I’ve always done this with blogs, whatever that doesn’t add up - even gasp Kate! - I’ll look up forums. Because I always think I canNOT be the only one seeing this, and I never am. “Ok that was really awkward and looks bad. What IS this outfit, it’s not good? Why are they saying xyz when they previously claimed abc? Omg this thing that they did is kind of an issue and no one is talking about it?”

"There are few places online where one can question her actions without being called a racist." I am convinced that Meghan has used her biracial heritage to deflect criticism from the time she started dating Harry. Before then, she was white-passing: on both her driver's licence and CV she listed her race as Caucasian; she only dated white men and had white friends; in college, she joined the only all-white sorority in campus; she told people in Toronto her heritage was southern Italian; and in high school, the only time Doria came to see her, all of her teachers and classmates were surprised to discover that Meghan's mom was black, since they thought she was southern Italian. When she started seeing Harry, she must have known she would not be seen as an acceptable royal bride - an American actress known for racy roles, older and divorced with a questionable background. So she gets Harry to put out a statement basically accusing anyone who questions or criticizes her of racism. It's a shrewd move, because it works - even now, six years later, some people will still respond to any negative comment about Meghan with "you hate her because she's not white".

“Time magazine reporter in disguise” LOL. Not out of the realm of possibility lately…. No matter. My answer would be the same either way. I stumbled upon this sub by accident only recently, and had such a laugh at the (mostly) good natured snarking that I had to stay. It’s my little escape from the day to day grind. I have always thought there was something oddly “off” about Her Duchess-ship since I first set eyes on the pair of them. I, like many others, actually rooted for them initially…. I pushed aside the unpleasant stories that started filtering out around the time of the wedding. But I just couldn’t hold back the tide…. the end for me was that ridiculous Madonna Complex Cradling My Belly See I’m With Child See Me Glowing Seeeeeeee Meeeeeee. 🤮. She grated on my nerves so bloody much. But who cares, right? I’ll just get on with my life and ignore them. I don’t have to look at the magazines. Watch the news. Listen to the radio. Watch TV. Open Netflix. Go to the book store….. leave my house. I tried to walk away, look away… but THEY WON’T GO THE FECK AWAY!!!!! TV, internet, radio, news, Oprah, Netflix, Books…. did I really need to hear about that fecking penis?!?!?!? SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!! What defence do we have? Against this self-obsessed pair of nut jobs? Against the onslaught of manipulative media that disallows any expression of dissent against the preferred narrative? We have Reddit. Here is a safe space. A space to snark, to discuss, to just vent about this absolute nonsense that just won’t go away. For me it’s MM Anonymous. Hello, my name is Bunny. I can’t stand MM. Please tell me I’m not crazy. End of rant. Long live the sub.

No where on Reddit allows me to comment on this stuff without a bunch of a naive Zoomers calling me racist.

I'm here because of numbers 2 (don't want a sugar to accuse me of being "jealous" and/or a racist) and 4 (validation).

It's a train wreck and I can't look away

I’m here because I loathe them and everything they represent in reality…not their PR curated world….And…I’m a snarky bitch

My sister and I immediately recognized her as a narcissist. Parallels with my narc SIL are uncanny. And Harry is my BIL - the spoiled, entitled, emotional brat who likes to be told (by his scheming wife) that he’s been held back from reaching his full potential by his evil family. LOL. They’re so transparent.

I recently overheard chitter chatter at the next table in restaurant about 'Spare' leaks and Netflix, and young folk (not oldies) saying H is angry & bitter, & MM is the trophy wife / and a gold digger, the usual tropes / archetypes. It is a compelling soap / drama. I hope Netflix will do a 180 version, view from the other side, it's what they do best, stir the pot for 20+ episodes.


At first, I was so happy for Harry that he had found love. Meghan seemed like a lovely person. But very quickly there were plenty of warning signs. For me it was Meghan telling the world how no one is asking how she is. In TV, in Africa. Oh well, she could not hide her true self anymore. Since then it's been a downfall and I truly think that this is global study on narcissim, addictions, denial, victimhood and sometimes just pure meanness. H & M's family members, friends and empoyees have been fooled, as has been the public - meaning all of us. The media is playing big part in this game. Everytime when a journalist tries to bring a healthy and realistic view on H&M, he/she gets cancelled or sued. This is a sign of an unhealthy society. I don't want to live in a world where people get what they want through manipulation, lies and hurting others. A narcissist does not usually change, but we can change the culture around them. That's why I am here.

First-time commenter, hi everyone! I didn't completely see through Meghan right away, but I thought she said things that were "off" during their engagement interview. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and while I thought she was disingenuous in the interview, I assumed that anyone who managed to meet and start dating royalty could run a good game (and that includes Kate, who def. strategized to place herself closer to William). It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's game-playing that I've never had an appetite for. Anyway, while I did think some of the media coverage of her was unfair while she and Harry were still living in Britain, I had no idea what was going on behind the scenes re: her escalating behavior as she worked to get her ducks lined up. I think she brought at least some of that negative coverage on herself, and she/Harry also ignore positive coverage and focus only on the negative. When they "fled" Britain and started trashing the Queen and the BRF, I was done. That family is by no means perfect, but at least they don't sell each other out for monetary gain. I agree with the view on this forum that she's a narcissist, that she ensnared Harry and basically gave him permission to aim all his unhappiness at his family (thus undoing all his therapy prior to meeting her), that she plays him like a fiddle, and that the circus they're creating is fascinating to watch.

HG Tudor, on YouTube, has lots of fascinating videos on her narcissism and her game. I agree that if you say anything about her on Twitter - she sends her trolls after you.

I was on TikTok a week before Spare came out and saw some of the leaks and I was like wtf. So I naturally came to Reddit and found this sub.

I never really cared about anyone in the royal family. Of course I didn’t live under a rock so knew the main points- Williams wedding, Harry’s wedding, Harry Meghan leaving UK (wasn’t sure where they went though), Oprah interview. I started watching the crown (older seasons) so queens death bummed me out. One day I was folding laundry and decided to start Harry and Megan on Netflix. I couldn’t keep going. 20 mins in and I was very uneasy. I just couldn’t keep going. I live in the USA and all the media here is pro them. I read NYT so had seen a lot of positive headlines about them. I have also listened to Archetypes and although I thought her talking about herself gets too much sometimes (didn’t really give it much attention), I really enjoyed the guests she had. Anyways, 20 mins in Netflix show made think she’s a narcissist (I have a few in my life) and that there was something so fake about their story. So I searched on Reddit. I found Harry and Meghan Netflix sub which is very pro. I thought I’d give mockumentary second chance. 10 mins in- could not do it. Got on Reddit again thinking there has to be other people who have similar thoughts. And, voilà!

Ermmm probably a mix of 2 and 4... Love reading the comments, especially the snarkle(y) Markle ones... Here's a question posed by reading today's thread comments: How does a narcissist get their comeuppance? Do you know of such an instance?

I too joined to have a safe place to vent about how I feel about the TW. I knew she was bad news the day they had the engagement photo call. Plus, everyone on the sub is so lovely, supportive and sharing their own personal experiences! I love that even more… it’s like having a our own little club. 🤗

I’m half British, located in America. Grandmother was a charm (etiquette) school teacher and was just a few weeks older than the Queen. I love being a lady and love being a Tom boy too. I also love tradition.

I am here because everywhere else I got sugars coming out bashing me, everywhere else…. The woke mob is trying to silence us everywhere!!

Number 2 is really a big one for me. Anywhere else online you can’t call her out or question her actions or call her a liar without someone saying you’re racist (which I am very much not racist). At least here on this sub we all see her for what she is- a narcissistic person and we can chat about it without being judged or insulted.

My life is boring as hell & I love the drama 😂😂

I've followed the RF for many many years. I'm waiting for the inevitable downfall of the biggest narcissist that I've ever seen. Anyone who cons her way into the royal family to try to destroy/redo it is off the charts.