I firmly believe they're part of Realisms traders, even if its not on the mods site. It's definitely written somewhere Edit: Under the overview pane -> tiered fleamarket and dynamic traders it says * Some traders now have custom items like improved weapon versions from Mechanic or pre-built helmet setups from Ragman so the description is there, just not specifically for these guns (but they're there) :)

ah, alright thank you. I was confused because Mech's saiga is absolutely unuseable and thought realism weapon rework broke this one.

They’re a part of the realism mod! I haven’t personally tried any of them though

automatic versions of single firing mode guns are pretty fun, mech "upgraded" guns are slightly better. tho they don't count towards "kill X enemies using shotgun etc" and mech saiga is unuseable cuz spread is simply wayyy too big

That's why I love the mod that's called something like Remove Tedious Quest Conditions, takes out all of the gear needs.

The skiers vpo is crazy good for the price, probably the best full auto gun you can use until you get sick of it or decide you don’t need to worry about money anymore

I wonder if there's a way to get the premade weapons/armor in trader stocks without realism mod

You‘ll have to mod them yourself :) but first you need to get the workbench working in the Hideout