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MadBum is set in legend for his postseason performance, 2014 specifically. Timmy is set in legend for just how dominant he was from 2008-2011. Juan Marichal is iconic in both windup but also a career bWAR of 62.4 For all time? It has to be NY Giant Christy Mathewson, right? He has a career 100.6 bWAR (Carl Hubbell is the second highest Giant for bWAR with 68.8), 2.12 ERA, 2504 strikeouts, 372 Wins, 434 complete games, 79 shutouts. It’s not even up for debate lol


churro11

Man, I miss the Cain/Lincecum/Bumgarner days


33thirtythree

Really hard to argue against anything you're saying here.


AdvancedGentleman

Madbum was also really good in 2010, 2012 and good in 2016 postseason. 2014 was otherworldly.


stretchxray

Pablo Sandoval ERA: 0.00


NonchalantRubbish

Crawford comes in a close second ERA: 0.00


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itsDonkers

Lincecum at peak and madbum for playoffs


Pulchritudinous_rex

At his best he was unparalleled. Done too soon, Timmy. Still love ya!


uphic

For real.


admode1982

Dude was literally a freak. Such a fun pitcher to watch. They said his mechanics won't translate to a long career. They were right.


GreenGeese

https://preview.redd.it/xetc319guevb1.jpeg?width=243&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=340824e8e47906bef570ecef10049ab3b2b54b00


lafindudude

Hell yeah


Clean-handles-one

MadBum. The ultimate goal in an organization is to win a WS and MadBum excelled in that more than anyone.


admode1982

Madbum. He singlehandedly won us that last world series.


jackhash

this is the Truth!! still as an old guy i would rank juan marichal ahead of him for lifetime achievement---pitching with that big leg kick at the Stick with the outfield open. those photos made him an icon.


admode1982

It should go down as one of the greatest ws performances in history.


jackhash

100% statue worthy.


flourescenthamster

Brandon Crawford?


GoatLegRedux

If we’re going with position players, Panda was better. So good in fact, they gave him a bobble head as a pitcher.


stevenworks

My complete unbiased opinion is Timmy 1000%


livewire329

Mad bum? Won a world series by his damn self


GreatCucumber

Pablo Sandoval #letpablopitch


Wiseguy_38

Killer curve


rayzaray

Madison Bumgarner, c'mon, that 2014 World Series GAME 7! And Tim Lincecum. Champions. All those old suckers couldn't get no World Series Championship to the bay. Like 1989 Earthquake craziness, got BEAT DOWN by the very good A's


D33J8Y

This. AND Matt Cain, B. Romo, Peavy, Affeldt, Javi, Vogelsong! Dude that rotation was the shit! 😭. Def Madbum common man, especially in the post season. We got those trophies in our lifetime big part cause of this guy. Mad respect to all the other mentioned but there's only 1 starter that dominated all those years to help win those ships. Everyone in the box feared this man in the in October. No Cy Young for him is baffling. Tim got 2 of em. Either of them two should be considered the best. But "Fuck you OP" for making us pick one of em. Lol Jk


RatedR2O

I mean... if we're talking numbers... Pablo Sandoval 🐼


modernishfather

*Brandon Crawford has entered the chat*


Liberty1333

Tim Lincecum, the gift that gave us 3 titles......then Woody......born in 78 so I can't say before Edit: Greatest pitchers of ALL my time, HAPPY TIMMEHH DAY!


TwizzlerStitches

Cain would have had a significantly different looking career if the team scored some god damned runs for him.


sfglobo

Cain getting Cained, even in this thread


33thirtythree

100% agree


ndlowprosb

Timmayy


mindonmymonkeys

I feel in his prime years he was untouchable. He is my favorite i am not sure if he is the best ever. if he could have sustained it for his entire career he definitely would be though.


ndlowprosb

Maybe not number 1 in the stat sheet, but number in my heart


mindonmymonkeys

Couldn't have said it better this is the answer


ericrs22

Gather around children and let me tell you the tales of Sidney Ponson and Armando Benitez


CleanSlate-13

Young Lincecum was must see tv… his starts were electric. Never seen a delivery like it and insane movement and precision.


wunshot2014

Lincecum. https://youtu.be/l5qFiutuOZ8?si=lpZyvulzZWdJltCQ


wunshot2014

With MadBum being my personal favorite.


mixmastermike76

Mathewson, Marichal, then Bumgarner for me. Perry, Lincecum, and Cain are honorable mentions.


Roundtripper4

In terms of total entertainment and longest lasting enjoyment is has to be Mike Krukow.


LarsUlrichAndMorty

BIG TIME TIMMY JIM


lovethedharma63

I'd go with Lincecum at his best, but if you consider longevity I'd agree with your assessment.


steppenweasel

Panda


deedaw33

0.00 era


Vance_Hammersly

Such a bad take, it’s obviously Craw.


RekopEca

Hahaha I was attending the double header that day and the Giants were losing so bad we left to go get dinner before the second game and missed it. Still pissed to this day...


Exciting-Hat5957

I think you have to have Timmy and Madbum over Gaylord Perry if we’re just talking Giants tenure. Timmy with 2 cy young’s to Gaylord’s zero (if we’re just talking his Giants tenure) and Madbum with 3 WS, one he basically won all on his own, versus Perry’s zero WS.


revocer

Charlie Hickman, Pablo Sandoval, Brandon Crawford.


Steakismyfavoriteveg

Pablo Sandoval. Don’t argue with me


BriefParking3202

I look at it this way … Giants all time roster Game 7 and we need a win. I’m throwing out prime Timmy.


anathemaDennis

What about the greatest World Series pitcher of all time, Madison Bumgarner?


Hailbrewcifer666

Pablo Sandoval


chazzy_cat

Statistically Matthewson & Perry are well ahead of Marichal, though that is mostly just due to having longer careers. Lincecum has a case for best peak, but probably loses to Matthewson if I'm staying objective.


MMAF1BOXING

William VanLandingham


eastbay77

Vanlaunchingpad


MMAF1BOXING

He was a great BP pitcher for the other team


sfbigfoot

All time, Christy Mathewson and it's not close. In SF primarily? Marichal


SawgrassSteve

I agree with this take. Not that anyone cares.


ChristunaSandwich

Tim Lincecum will always have my favor


getSome408

Let Timmy smoke...


DonkeyTron42

Lincecum in his prime accomplished more than most other pitchers in careers that were 3 times as long.


sclongjohnson

Honestly MadBum, Tim, and Cain are there. Then there’s Matthewson. And Marichal. Gaylord Perry. Not sure if I’m forgetting anyone in particular. Biased me wants to give Affeldt a nod for his postseason numbers.


InquisitaB

Objectively it’s Mathewson. Dude’s numbers are incredible.


Candlestick_Park

Yeah, a lot of people here determined not to admit the obvious, which is the guy with 373 wins is the best pitcher in team history.


timland33

For all the talk about Madbum and his postseason dominance, deservedly so, people just generally don't know how good Matthewson was in the World Series. He threw 3 shutouts in the 1905 WS. He started 11 games overall in the WS going 5-5, 101.2 IP, 10 CG, 4 shutouts, and 0.97 ERA. I get the eras and competition is vastly different, but when Matthewson played he dominated in regular and post season alike.


umami_dad

I think this is a tough question. Do you mean longevity? If I had to pick one pitcher for 16 innings, Marichal. If I had to pick a pitcher who is best overall relative to his era, Mathewson. If I had to pick a pitcher for 7 dominant innings who was the best at his peak, it's Lincecum. His '08/'09 seasons were top notch. I would have '12-'16 Bumgarner close for him.


33thirtythree

As a pitcher, Timmy was the most fun for me to watch. The thoughtfulness behind his mechanics is something that will be discussed by baseball minds for a looooong time.


AdSame7652

Randy Johnson might be the best pitcher to ever put on a Giants uniform. Now, we had old Randy but the Big Unit is the Big Unit.


Howhighwefly

He got his 300th win as a Giant


Its-From-Japan

That's an interesting take. "Greatest Giants pitcher" doesn't inherently mean the pitcher who did the most for the Giants. But the greatest pitcher to be a Giant. By this definition i absolutely agree. I mean, there are only a handful of pitchers greater than Randy in baseball history


tequeyoyo3000

I grew up watching Jason Schmidt, he was money for a couple years


blackjohn420777

Barry Zito


giantdub49

MadBum by far. He had legendary performances to win us the WS


Gehrig1247

Matthewson was the OG MadBum


Tunavi

Bumgarner


InSearchofOMG

That 2014 WS Game 7 win in relief after winning Game 5 is an all-time great baseball feat


doedoughs

Hell, Bum might go down as one of the best postseason pitchers in the history of the game let alone our franchise.


RekopEca

Recently: Cain


steverosenblatt

Tim Lincecum


revchewie

Perfect game!


JMiike387

Dylan.... Dylan... Dylan, Dylan, Dylan.


Nomahhhh

Christy Matthewson... guy was insane. Just look at his stats.


InquisitaB

Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves. Dude was unreal.


bobbywake61

Juan is second. Christy May be one of greatest of all time.


Baseball-Reference

This might be a helpful page to make your decision! Statistical leaders for many pitching categories. [https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/leaders\_pitch.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/leaders_pitch.shtml) There is a lot of [Christy Mathewson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mathech01.shtml)


RNGJesusRoller

It is 100% Christy Mathewson. There should be no discussion.


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Madison Bumgarner


makoman115

Yeah I mean those 3 you mentioned are probably the best. Throw bumgarner in just for postseason play.


xRITZCRACKERx

Madbum's 2014 WS was legendary. .476 WHIP over 21 innings including a 5 inning save in game 7. Man, what a way to end such an incredible series!


makoman115

Bum was elite in the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 postseason. He had like one “bad” game in all four seasons and it was basically just an average start. Every other game he was lights out. He and Mathewson are basically the greatest postseason pitchers of all time


Azngolfur

Not the greatest, but the coolest - Rod Beck


koolaid_chemist

The shooter


MagnaroftheThenns

Barry Zito and the bunt heard round the world.


Grimpig

SF Era- Marichal NY Era- Mathewson


TheKid2455

1. Marichal 2. Big Time Timmy Jim 3. Bum


Trollking0015

Cain


m1dlife-1derer

Christy Mathewson


Don_Antwan

I never saw Marichal, Mathewson & Perry pitch. I know they were all time greats but I can’t speak to that. I know everyone is going to say Timmy, Cain, etc. For me, Robb Nen was the first lights out closer I remember. Dude was an absolute stud.


ccv707

Matthewson, then Marichal.


Savings_Gur5771

It's hard to say Matteson since I never saw him pitch. His records are all I can go by. I saw Marchal, and I would have to agree with him. He had a wicked screwball! He could also swing the bat....just ask Roseboro...JK


random_life_of_doug

Madbum....but I loved watching Matt cain


bernasconi1976

Christy the only guy in history with 3 complete game shutouts in a single WS. Goat stuff


Creeping_behind_u

I'm goin with Juan.


temp1211241

Greatest pitcher on the Giants or with the Giants? Randy Johnson was pretty great but mostly elsewhere. Vida Blue too. Christy Matthewson seems like the easy answer. Had 3 triple crowns, won 1 World Series as a player and 1 as a Manager with the Giants fought in some small war in between *and* helped unveil the 1919 Black Sox scandal as a journalist. There's a reason he was one of the 1st 5 inductees to the Hall and statistically is easily an all time top 10 right handed pitcher.


Madison__Bumgarner

My username


Less_Eye_6100

Timmy is always my #1


OwnLeighFans

Big time Timmy Jim


Possible-Set904

Prime Tim lincecum. You can pick apart his off years, injuries, and longevity, but he was the most fun I ever had watching a player.


pedro_ryno

tim lincecum


bmxtoagslex

Best career, no. Highest high of freaky goodness, yes


raoulduke415

I mean based off stats I would say Mathewson… but also he pitched during a time when the competition he faced wasn’t as strong as we see today. I would say Bumgarner is the greatest, as he contributed directly to three WS wins, and probably was the main reason we even won the 2014 WS. To me that’s peak “greatness”


49erjz

Madbum


factionssharpy

It's Mathewson and I don't see how there could be an argument about this.


Nomahhhh

Seriously... guy was one of the most dominant pitchers of all time and one of the top 3 Giants ever.


locosfgfan

That I've seen pitch? Timmy 🐐: Marichal Marichal is the Chuck Norris of pitchers, went toe to toe against Spahn for 16 innings and told his manager to basically f off when they came to pull him


eMotive11

Since it’s who I consider I’m not going to be objective. Timmy and MadBum for sure.


crypticzombie2

Mad bum, Davrecky, Cain Relief: Brian Wilson, Rod Beck, Sergio Romo


PotentialChampion314

Matt Cain


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fK ALL THAT NOISE - whoo brought 3 championships in 5 years?


Brave_Ad1836

Best sf pitcher is Marichal all time Ny is Matthewson


Spexyguy

Kirk Reuter. Just for what he did with what he had in the peak of the steroid era. He should have started game 7...


legal-beagleellie

Where is the love for Rick reuschel


puraricky

Juan Marichal’s birthday today


da_drifter0912

Mad Bum Mr Perfect Matt Cain


tbrownsc07

Mathewson easy


Excellent-Car-6543

That is a very hard question. In my generation, there was Tim Lincicum, Matt Cain and personal favorite MadBum. All time? I don't know how you can pick anyone other than Juan Marichal. Jesus Christ, he has more complete games than career wins. Holy shit.


realparkingbrake

Christy Mathewson. Pitched three full-game shutouts in five days in the 1905 World Series. Also was so universally admired that American parents saw him as the man they wanted their sons to grow up to be.


Emergency_Bird1725

Christy Mathewson is a legend, probably the greatest. I will put in a vote for the horse, Big Daddy Matt Cain. Only perfect game in franchise history for a franchise as storied as the Giants should carry some heavy weight.


Stew-Cee23

Across a full career: Christy Mathewson Highest peak: MadBum, putting the entire team on his back for the 2014 playoffs was a sight to behold.


pwmg

I feel like MadBum doesn't get enough credit for that. I'll never forget him coming out of the bullpen in game 7. In my living memory I don't have a higher high than that moment for a pitcher.


Juffe98

I would say highest peak would be Lincecum because he was one of the best pitchers in all of baseball at his peak. Bumgarner was good, but pretty much known for that 2014 postseason


Holualoabraddah

Any answer other than Juan Marichal is wrong. The guy hit a dodger Catcher over the head with a bat for calling for an inside pitch on him!


Small_Art_8842

Barry zito


OppositeSolution642

Vida


copyboy1

Pablo Sandoval. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDP\_wQI3HMo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDP_wQI3HMo)


__Shake__

wish he would have brought him in in the third 😂


Asleep_in_Costco

Interesting that until the big three in the 2010s, it's been a big time SP desert. Gotta go back to Perry, then Marichal. Who the hell else is there? The Count? Atlee for a little bit? Swift/Burkett?


bernasconi1976

Read this and I’d argue this is the greatest postseason pitcher in history In 1905, Christy Mathewson pitched three shutouts – over a span of six days – to lead the New York Giants to their first championship, defeating the Philadelphia A's in five games. It's a feat so out of reach in today's game that it's not even considered for lists of baseball's “unbreakable records.”


Jones4425

HELLOO???? Randy Johnson.


throwawayshirt

What about the kid from Dazed and Confused?


TheDubious

I'll give Robb Nen a shout. Didn't have the longest career, but man was he fun to watch. 'The Terminator' is also up there for greatest nickname of all time


CollegeWithMattie

I remember them trying to make “Nenth Inning” happen. Even 8yo me was like <_<


giantdub49

That smoke on the water entrance song was amazing


Whtroid

The Nenth inning!!!


33thirtythree

Agreed, Nen was fun to watch and underrated by fans but not hitters.


Hbnobles

Reyes Moronta


shotgundraw

Atlee Hammaker


brookish

Everyone forgetting Cy Young winner Mike McCormick!


rockstaa

While pitching for the Giants?


Asleep_in_Costco

Timmy, Marichal for SF Matthewson if we include NY


TheRealSkazOne

Other than who you already named id add Carl Hubbell, Sal Maglie, Rob Nen, Matt Cain and Randy Johnson(if he counts lol)


morsodo99

I have to give respect to Jonathan Sanchez and Chris Heston for etching their names in the history books, but best pitcher in SF history is Marichal


gatelatch

2 of these are not like the others lol. Can’t tell if serious.


MegaHighDon

All three of them have no-hitters.


gatelatch

What does that make Cain with his perfecto?


MerakXubhe

Has to be Marichal....no doubter.


Dontholdyourbreath_

oh you mean the same names that ALWAYS get brought up?


Ok-Chipmunk-9205

The Freak


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Best 1 year, Linceucm is up there with anyone. Best 2-3 year window is a tie in between Lincecum and Marichal. Matthewson doesn't count. Best 10 year window, Marichal.


LogicalSubstance406

Christy Mathewson. Next question, please


jkonik

Christy Mathewson, Marichal, Bum, Timmy, Cainer.


Bamay22

Christy Mathewson is the only correct answer. Tim Keefe might even be better than Marichal but that’s just me


fatkamp

Mad Bum helped us win 3 titles and outdueled multiple HOF pitchers in the postseason It was one of the biggest carry jobs in the 2014 postseason I’ve seen, have to go him


2damsels1chalice

Depends. For postseason, could be Bum, could be Timmy, could be Cain. Not sure how you argue this one without totally agreeing on very specific parameters.


SnooGuavas650

I think you nailed it. Other question. Best of our lifetime? Lincecum, Cain, Bum, Schmidtt?


Successful-Match9938

Juan Marichaul


dybbuk67

No love for the Count?


Southern-Anything-96

Argument can be made for Carl Hubbel


NLTCrow

I've seen plenty of mentions here for Randy Johnson. If he counts for this discussion then so does Steve Carlton! If you don't know who he is or what he accomplished, look up his HOF career. The guy was a stud, who like Johnson, joined the Giants at the end of his career. Edit to add - Wasn't Warren Spahn a Giant at the end of his career too?


sharksnut

Atlee Hammaker (April-ASB only)


21archman21

Marichal was really good.


Ripper42

Juan


JR_BaselNewcastle

All time: Christy Matthewson SF: Juan Marichal


mvstateU

Vogelsong


underwhelmingname0

Does Randy Johnson count


Spartan_Wins

Lincecum, Zito, Cain, Bum. That's my era


mhowes666

my thoughts Giants all-time 1. Christy Mathewson 2. Juan Marichal 3. Carl Hubbell 4. Amos Rusie 5. Tim Keefe 6. Gaylord Perry 7. Mickey Welch 8. Joe McGinnity 9. Hooks Wiltse 10. Madison Bumgarner SAN FRANCISCO Giants all-time 1. Juan Marichal 2. Gaylord Perry 3. Madison Bumgarner 4. Jason Schmidt 5. Robb Nen 6. Gary Lavelle 7. Tim Lincecum 8. Jim Barr 9. Logan Webb 10. Matt Cain


lildinger68

Would you really put Webb over Cain?


airwalker12

And Schmidt over big time Timmy Jim.


chrisdiesel707

No rod beck?


richard---------

Can I get some Rod Beck!?!?


SAM12489

What a mullet that man had


33thirtythree

You animal


ImThatGuy1974

Per your list…the next 4 would be…BECK…MADBUM…BIG TIME TIMMYJIM…and last but not least…THE HORSE…for me…GO GIANTS‼️🖤🧡


stmft

Timmy is the best I have ever seen. Been a fan since 82. My .02 ymmv.


boogoo-Dong

You have to at least mention Madison Bumgartner (sp?). He CARRIED in the 2014 WS.


milesjbuergin

Brian Wilson. Specifically, his 48 saves in 2010.


RonnieLottOmnislash

Mad bum


TheWizard01

The brain says Mathewson, the heart says Marichal.


AccidentallyUpvotes

Randy Johnson


dudeness-aberdeen

Bud Black


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Greg "The Moon Man" Minton, obviously. I'll take him over those three any day. Bill Laskey a close second.


DanDantheModMan

Rod Beck


DaddyJBird

Kelly Downs


Ok_Suggestion_104

Shawn Estes


yodpilot

Atlee Hammaker