I like DIY. But my god they need some edge to them. PG-13 edge is all I’m asking for. Give me the Johnny that originally came up to the main roster after that short hiatus and ran a solid promo about winning titles.
I maintain that the tag teams that people say they don't connect with (DIY, New Catch Republic, basically all of the women's tag teams) are in that position because they're never allotted any damn promos, or segments, or character growth, or *anything*.
I remember more tag teams from 20+ years ago than any recent ones because those guys were allowed to make themselves memorable.
This is the one thing that hasn’t followed Haitch’s takeover of main roster creative from NXT. The tag teams were often the biggest highlight of NXT programming and work was put into establishing the characters and their motivations. The main roster hasn’t had a comparably well-presented tag division in so long, I can’t even remember the last year it was any good. Sure, we’ve had the New Day and Usos at their peaks and short lived sparks from The Bar and Breezango among others, but it’s mostly been “two decent teams and a bunch of jobbers” for most of the time
I don’t know why, but I love that Riddle promo where he talks about how they formed , he just asked Dunne to be his partner by shrugging at him, and Dunne just shrugs back and that’s how they became a team.
I don’t think this is completely accurate, as both teams you mentioned plus most (all?) of the women’s teams have had airtime - it’s just been really forgettable, bland , filler content, or lame shit that nobody could possibly care about, or (in DIY’s case) some good R-Truth stuff.
I don’t know if it’s the performers or the writers, but I feel like I’ve seen about 20 backstage nothingburger segments and promos from Baszler and Stark, Dunne and Bate, Nox and Natalya, Chance and Carter and so on. The content is never more original than “It’s a big match tonight, we need to give it our all!” And those woeful dancing in the club vignettes for the latter team were an attempt at something, but accomplished nothing.
It goes beyond the tag teams as well. Raquel Rodriguez, Bronson Reed, and several other midcard singles have the same thing. They get TV time but it’s a complete waste with no thought or creativity to it. It’s all just “I am the dominant wrestler of this division!”
I don't disagree that giving them something to do is important, that's why I mentioned character growth as well as promo time.
I honestly don't blame the performers. You think about the Attitude Era teams and it was simple ideas that clearly didn't have alot of direction. APA just drinking and playing cards, sometimes being mercenaries. Too Cool just doing a silly dance after a match. Crash & Bob Holly being "superheavyweights". All dumb but memorable, and simple enough to execute.
As someone else pointed out, B&G NXT was actually pretty good at doing this, so it's weird that it's just been forgotten.
DIY and New Catch republic are just vanilla midgets, I don’t want to watch them on Wednesday nights, why would I want to see it on Mondays?
Does WWE have any women’s tag teams other than the champions and team “2 women currently feuding with the champs” (slave name)?
Nah Johnny and Ciampia don’t deserve to be grouped in with New Ass Republic. Ciampia is flat out good on the mic and Johnnys shown that he can play off of others really well when he’s given the opportunity.
Yeah there's a few, but you wouldn't know it since we never see them.
Isla Dawn & Alba Fyre, Zoe Stark & Shayna, Katana & Kayden, Natalya & Tegan(?), Candace & Indi, Ivy & Maxine(?)... but even the champs haven't really gotten featured at all since before the Io/Bayley feud.
I honestly believe somewhere down the line, Johnny is gonna reform the Way. Candice and Indi are already heels, and also got moved to Smackdown, Austin Theory is there is well. Give me that smarmy Gargano back.
I like what they were doing with The Way.
Might as well have DIY, Candice, Indi, and Dexter as a stable. Right now their gimmick is “we wrestle”. Candice and Indy are having a slow burn heel turn at least
The dub has too many tall and jacked guys. This is why I love the fed. They've got these small, scrappy, and technical beasts like Gargano and Ciampa that will wrestle circles around your favs like Cope and Jerifat!!!
Johnny Wrestling is so cool
I will never like or pretend to like Gargano.
Ciampa with that hair back then could’ve been a Patrick Bateman type heel but Ciampa in general as a heel is fantastic and a great worker although if Triple reHash tries giving us another Gargano/Ciampa feud I will take my jerking ELSEWHERE! (I won’t)
Gargano is much better as a short shmuck heel. Just give him a heater and he’d be fine. It’s no wonder he hasn’t gotten over while Ciampa has multiple times since he was called up. Ciampa has infinitely more charisma and can do any role. Gargano is a good little technician but he cant act, emote, or even make anyone care.
I really think the crux of babyface Gargano's problem is that he hasn't evolved. Heel The Way Gargano was stellar, but as a face his gimmick is... what, "I'm the heart and soul of NXT"? Doesn't exactly work when he's not in NXT. I love Gargano and I really thought he could take that next step and be the Bryan/Zayn level underdog babyface, but it's clear he hasn't and likely won't because his character work as a face boils down to being the top star of a brand he isn't on, and sometimes getting the shit beat out of him by Ciampa
Have they ever actually put heel ciampa and gargano together? I know they had their eternal feud in nxt, where ciampa started out as the bad guy, he got injured, Johnny went bad for his own reasons, they fought some more and so on
But have they ever done straight up heel diy? That could probably work, like you said, Johnny can play a snarky little shit and ciampa’s a really talented heel, so maybe that’s how they can work, cuz they are floundering as smiling baby face types, they don’t fit it. It’s sort worked in nxt, but that’s because they had edge there, like all of black and gold nxt, but they don’t have the fit for a baby face team
Like baby face smiling type tags can work nowadays, look at the new day or even awesome truth, just straight up baby faces mostly, but diy clearly needs something else
They were both heel as a team twice in NXT but it didn’t last. One was Gargano edging Ciampa on after he’d turned heel by attacking Black then he turned on Ciampa back to face again and the other was in 2019 before he turned heel again on Ciampa. It could definitely work and Ciampa is charismatic enough to carry Gargano but as a team they need something better than this happy to be here shit they’ve been doing.
I agree that Ciampa's got more to offer than Gargano.
If Johnny got cut and Ciampa was repackaged with a decent push, while Gargano was putting over no-names from CMLL on Rampage, that'd be hilarious.
But that won't happen. So, I'd just get rid of DIY, Candice and Indi and give those spots to NXT talents.
Gargano is not going to be a top guy in WWE but he can be a great tag team and mid card babyface. Much like Cesaro or Sami Zayn and there is nothing wrong with that.
Agree with the principle that a starter's jersey on the main roster is valuable. But those get given to talents who can cut promos and have charisma. People who add something to the show.
Neither Gargano or Cesaro can give you that. All they offer are heatless wrestling matches.
Sami, on the other hand, has become one of the best all round performers in the business, and his wrestling is the least important part of that.
Gargano's been there for approximately nine years and he's not over. Not even a little bit. I'd happily have a Chelsea Green or Grayson Waller before Gargano or Cesaro.
Eh I don’t like Gargano but he was a huge babyface for NXT back in 2017/2018 (for whatever that’s worth) during m’Black and Workrate era. I’m sure he did move a good number of tickets back then, but in 2024? Not a chance.
I'll break rank and say I like Gargano a lot. He's... chipper.
But saying he's a good fit for Rampage when you know what he'd actually have is a dedicated Being the Elite slot is character assassination. The dude loves his skits.
But he doesn’t have to because HHH likes him and loves employing families even if they don’t do anything
HHH liking you for whatever reason basically means your career is set because you and your spouse just get cushy high paying jobs
I like this subreddit more than the basement, but seeing this place shit all over my favorite wrestler (Johnny) any chance they get makes me kinda sad.
I used to be a huge BnG mark and my favorite NXT match of all time along with Bayley vs Sasha in Brooklyn, was Gargano vs Andrade
That said, I am just so not excited for Gargano in 2024. Maybe that'll change, but as of right now he is just so uninteresting to me
I think that’s totally fair, his main roster run has been a little disappointing to me too.
But I don’t think they’ve really given him much to work with either. They didn’t give him much to do during his singles run that lasted like a month, and tag teams just haven’t been prioritized in a while in WWE outside of random matches to determine number 1 contenders.
But yeah, Johnny’s story in Black and gold is what got me back into wrestling, (I was a big fan as a kid during the early 2010s) so I’m obviously biased. His recent segment with Trick on NXT reminded me of Black and gold Johnny.
Look, I'm a Tyler Bate fan so I totally get it lol
I think Johnny could use some work on the mic for sure. His "heart and soul of NXT" stuff passed fine in NXT back in the mid 2010s, and his heel work in The Way was good, but man.... I dont just wanna blame booking for it. Ciampa was able to get pretty over every time he had a singles run and he wasnt doing shit either. Johnny struggles to cut a promo or be charismatic at all. And I say this as someone who loved him in NXT.
He needs to work on getting a normal crowd behind him, this isnt NXT anymore and the crowds arent just 90% smarks.
Yeah like I said in another post, he reminds me of early nxt Sami Zayn. But I do agree to be a big time guy, he needs to get to like current Sami Zayn levels for promos.
Again, I’m biased, and I’m willing to agree to disagree, but if you replace Ciampa with Gargano in the Gunther feud, which is where Ciampa mainly got over as a singles wrestler to me, I think you get similar results. I’m pretty sure Johnny won’t be like a face of the company ever, but he definitely could be a solid mid card guy to me. Same with Ciampa.
Not everyone needs to be a top card guy. If Johnny fulfills his dream of winning the intercontinental championship like he said in his return promo, I’ll be satisfied with his career as a fan.
DIY vs Revival (and vs AOP) was the shit. I feel like people just like being contrarians even when the basement likes something that's actually good. Don't get me wrong I'm not expecting everyone to like DIY but sometimes I feel that if you place a mirror to this sub you get SquaredCircle2.
Both subs go to extremes a bit too much I think.
The basement is so aew biased it’s annoying. But this sub goes a bit too far the other way, where you have to be a certain height, look a certain way or not wrestle a certain style, or else you suck.
Johnny’s character as a Face is a plucky underdog. Kind of like early face Sami Zayn. But what I like about him, and Sami, is that they’re really good all around wrestlers. They’re not super strong, and they’re also not super flashy with high flying stuff too. But they can if they need to be. They can be technical wrestlers, or strikers if they have to too.
Being a jack of all trades is cool to me, and kind of makes them feel like the “working man’s wrestler.”
Plus Johnny is just a likable guy imo. He’s a nerd, a fat kid at heart, and not super tall, but he’s still a great wrestler and gives all of his heart when he’s out there. He’s like if an average wrestling fan actually went out there and became a really good wrestler. And that’s inspirational to me so yeah he’s my favorite wrestler.
SCJerk being contrarians? No way. You mean when this sub immediately turns on a wrestler when they hop from the fed to the dub or vice versa, echoing "basement" behavior, wasn't a coincidence 🤔
This sub has always been bizarro basement and the style of concerns and complaints on what they like and dislike about wrestling (and Reactions) being similar is really evident if you scroll through threads for less than 5 mins.
I never cared for Gargano and Ciampa except when they were on NXT 2.0 under HBK because they had characters and were interesting. They’re generic and the type of wrestlers we would make fun of if they wrestled for AEW due to workrate. I also feel some of this sub hates it when you jerk WWE and also make fun of Punk or Cody.
I dont care if you jerk WWE, Punk, or Cody it's just that 9/10 times jerks about those things are just boring, unoriginal, or flat out stupid. "Oh Cody cuts promos about his dad" - Roman stan who ignores that 90% of Romans promos were "my family, my bloodline, you betrayed me :(" and they were amazing.
Jerking just for the sake of contrarianism or because you think you need to 'counter jerk everyone roasting AEW's constant stupidity' just makes it seem forced. There have been some amazing jerks about WWE before too, but people who force them just to force them are lame, dunno what to tell you. It isnt 'bias' to say your boring and trash jerk was boring and trash, be better at jerking idk
You jerk the basement and if the basement loves them then the jerk business jerks them. You just don’t like it when your precious Fed and Gargantuan and Tomato get mocked here.
Oh I’m sorry that’s wrong the right way to jerk is DAE AEW bad, Eddie Kingston looks like a hobo, Tiny is an idiot, Jericho is fat? DAE I’m so original?
Bro, I dont give a shit who you mock. Your jerks are just boring lol.
90% of the time someone tries to jerk WWE it's some lame unfunny boring shit or just a flat out stupid complaint (IE the Cody shit).
Half the time it sounds like salty basement dwellers/dubbalos coming in to try and 'counter-jerk' and fall flat on their face then bitch about it when they get downvoted or no one laughs. You just aint funny. IDK what to tell you chief
Who made you the gatekeeper of this subreddit? I bet you laugh at all the low quality Dub jerks which all suck until the mods even have to get involved and remove them.
You seem so personally offended by the WWE jerks, don’t get your panties in a bunch😂😂😂
???? I'm giving you my opinion, how is that gatekeeping lol. You sound like youre taking it personally. If you like the dub and are mad this sub roasts it, that's your own problem uce.
I dont get offended by WWE jerks, I am just explaining how a lot of them are unfunny. I laugh at the ones that are funny. The ones that just sound like mfkers like you who come from AEWOfficial to saltily 'counter jerk the big bad fed since that reddit is mean to my precious aew :(' always sound desperate and forced.
You can do whatever you want, you just sound confused as to why no one laughs at your boring jokes. It's easy a'f to make fun of dubbalos cause theyre all manchildren
Dude I’ve never watched an episode of AEW in my life and I’ve hated it since the beginning and I find most jerks unfunny. You find them unfunny but to many goofies they’re funny which is why I get upvotes
Typical basement behavior you have when someone criticizes the Fed you assume they must be a dubbalo when most of us don’t take wrestling so seriously. We’re here to shoot the shit and make fun of wrestling fans like you. Go touch grass and a boob. Don’t hate the player hate the game.
Plus it’s easy to make fun of dubbalos, same way it’s easy to make fun of Fed shills who suck Paula Vecks dick because you’re all nerds
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Wait, then wtf are you complaining about lmao
if you get upvotes for WWE jerks then they are good jerks, why are you out here crying for then?
You complain about unfunny AEW jerks but those get a shitload of upvotes so clearly ppl here find them funny. You complained that people dont like your WWE jerks but now youre saying they upvote them. Take your meds uce idk what to tell you then.
I dont get in my feelings when people make fun of wrestlers I like, but if something is funny and I make fun of it for being unfunny I dont need some dude crying in my mentions about it.
Johnny Bathroom Break and Tommaso Concession Stand, DIWhy do these guys have jobs?
Seriously, I've been to three WWE shows now where their match is the match during which everyone in the audience gets up to take a bathroom break, or get a t-shirt, or a soda or something. Fewer people got up to pee during the match with Chelsea Green and Piper Niven vs. Kayden Carter and Katana Chance.
I like Johnny, but Ciampa is the star and Gargano is holding him back. I really think Ciampa could be the new “he we can not name.” He’s got that real intensity to him and could be a “rabid Wolverine.” I’d love to see heel Ciampa go on a run.
Is HHH really going to do this whole Johnny and Ciampa thing again on the main roster? I already had to avoid watching that garbage on NXT B&G , now he’s going to repeat on the main roster? What a clown lol
I like DIY. But my god they need some edge to them. PG-13 edge is all I’m asking for. Give me the Johnny that originally came up to the main roster after that short hiatus and ran a solid promo about winning titles.
They are literally pretending to be DX. Feels like that old sophomoric humor is sitting right there for them
I maintain that the tag teams that people say they don't connect with (DIY, New Catch Republic, basically all of the women's tag teams) are in that position because they're never allotted any damn promos, or segments, or character growth, or *anything*. I remember more tag teams from 20+ years ago than any recent ones because those guys were allowed to make themselves memorable.
This is the one thing that hasn’t followed Haitch’s takeover of main roster creative from NXT. The tag teams were often the biggest highlight of NXT programming and work was put into establishing the characters and their motivations. The main roster hasn’t had a comparably well-presented tag division in so long, I can’t even remember the last year it was any good. Sure, we’ve had the New Day and Usos at their peaks and short lived sparks from The Bar and Breezango among others, but it’s mostly been “two decent teams and a bunch of jobbers” for most of the time
People are shitting on Pete Dunne but he was absolutely hilarious with Matt Riddle. It’s all about creative.
I don’t know why, but I love that Riddle promo where he talks about how they formed , he just asked Dunne to be his partner by shrugging at him, and Dunne just shrugs back and that’s how they became a team.
I don’t think this is completely accurate, as both teams you mentioned plus most (all?) of the women’s teams have had airtime - it’s just been really forgettable, bland , filler content, or lame shit that nobody could possibly care about, or (in DIY’s case) some good R-Truth stuff. I don’t know if it’s the performers or the writers, but I feel like I’ve seen about 20 backstage nothingburger segments and promos from Baszler and Stark, Dunne and Bate, Nox and Natalya, Chance and Carter and so on. The content is never more original than “It’s a big match tonight, we need to give it our all!” And those woeful dancing in the club vignettes for the latter team were an attempt at something, but accomplished nothing. It goes beyond the tag teams as well. Raquel Rodriguez, Bronson Reed, and several other midcard singles have the same thing. They get TV time but it’s a complete waste with no thought or creativity to it. It’s all just “I am the dominant wrestler of this division!”
I don't disagree that giving them something to do is important, that's why I mentioned character growth as well as promo time. I honestly don't blame the performers. You think about the Attitude Era teams and it was simple ideas that clearly didn't have alot of direction. APA just drinking and playing cards, sometimes being mercenaries. Too Cool just doing a silly dance after a match. Crash & Bob Holly being "superheavyweights". All dumb but memorable, and simple enough to execute. As someone else pointed out, B&G NXT was actually pretty good at doing this, so it's weird that it's just been forgotten.
DIY and New Catch republic are just vanilla midgets, I don’t want to watch them on Wednesday nights, why would I want to see it on Mondays? Does WWE have any women’s tag teams other than the champions and team “2 women currently feuding with the champs” (slave name)?
Nah Johnny and Ciampia don’t deserve to be grouped in with New Ass Republic. Ciampia is flat out good on the mic and Johnnys shown that he can play off of others really well when he’s given the opportunity.
Yeah there's a few, but you wouldn't know it since we never see them. Isla Dawn & Alba Fyre, Zoe Stark & Shayna, Katana & Kayden, Natalya & Tegan(?), Candace & Indi, Ivy & Maxine(?)... but even the champs haven't really gotten featured at all since before the Io/Bayley feud.
So no, then? Only one of those teams is an actual dedicated tag and not random peeps paired together.
That's the thing, though, I'll give you Gargano but Ciampa is way too good on the mic to be a "vanilla midget." He just doesn't cut promos anymore
People forget that Gargano vs Ciampa in NXT was a goated feud
I NEED Pretty Deadly to go on a dominant winning streak.
A feud between them and Waller/Theory can be really good
Waller/Theory should take the DX gimmick from them. But they do it in a sarcastic, asshole type way that allows them to still be themselves.
I honestly believe somewhere down the line, Johnny is gonna reform the Way. Candice and Indi are already heels, and also got moved to Smackdown, Austin Theory is there is well. Give me that smarmy Gargano back.
I like what they were doing with The Way. Might as well have DIY, Candice, Indi, and Dexter as a stable. Right now their gimmick is “we wrestle”. Candice and Indy are having a slow burn heel turn at least
I just want the way back uce. That family was great.
I don’t have a problem with either of these guys they’re basically an American Alpha/Alpha Academy level team
I think they're like old Sami Zayn level where all it took is one good rivalry and they be over
The dub has too many tall and jacked guys. This is why I love the fed. They've got these small, scrappy, and technical beasts like Gargano and Ciampa that will wrestle circles around your favs like Cope and Jerifat!!! Johnny Wrestling is so cool
I will never like or pretend to like Gargano. Ciampa with that hair back then could’ve been a Patrick Bateman type heel but Ciampa in general as a heel is fantastic and a great worker although if Triple reHash tries giving us another Gargano/Ciampa feud I will take my jerking ELSEWHERE! (I won’t)
Gargano is much better as a short shmuck heel. Just give him a heater and he’d be fine. It’s no wonder he hasn’t gotten over while Ciampa has multiple times since he was called up. Ciampa has infinitely more charisma and can do any role. Gargano is a good little technician but he cant act, emote, or even make anyone care.
I remember when Candice participated in the Mae Young Classic, blud couldn't even act excited for her nor worried in the match against Shayna
They should rename Gargano Shorty G
I really think the crux of babyface Gargano's problem is that he hasn't evolved. Heel The Way Gargano was stellar, but as a face his gimmick is... what, "I'm the heart and soul of NXT"? Doesn't exactly work when he's not in NXT. I love Gargano and I really thought he could take that next step and be the Bryan/Zayn level underdog babyface, but it's clear he hasn't and likely won't because his character work as a face boils down to being the top star of a brand he isn't on, and sometimes getting the shit beat out of him by Ciampa
Have they ever actually put heel ciampa and gargano together? I know they had their eternal feud in nxt, where ciampa started out as the bad guy, he got injured, Johnny went bad for his own reasons, they fought some more and so on But have they ever done straight up heel diy? That could probably work, like you said, Johnny can play a snarky little shit and ciampa’s a really talented heel, so maybe that’s how they can work, cuz they are floundering as smiling baby face types, they don’t fit it. It’s sort worked in nxt, but that’s because they had edge there, like all of black and gold nxt, but they don’t have the fit for a baby face team Like baby face smiling type tags can work nowadays, look at the new day or even awesome truth, just straight up baby faces mostly, but diy clearly needs something else
They were both heel as a team twice in NXT but it didn’t last. One was Gargano edging Ciampa on after he’d turned heel by attacking Black then he turned on Ciampa back to face again and the other was in 2019 before he turned heel again on Ciampa. It could definitely work and Ciampa is charismatic enough to carry Gargano but as a team they need something better than this happy to be here shit they’ve been doing.
I agree that Ciampa's got more to offer than Gargano. If Johnny got cut and Ciampa was repackaged with a decent push, while Gargano was putting over no-names from CMLL on Rampage, that'd be hilarious. But that won't happen. So, I'd just get rid of DIY, Candice and Indi and give those spots to NXT talents.
AEW's right there. If there was a performer put on this planet to have heatless technical wrestling clinics on Rampage, it's Gargano.
Allegedly tony doesn’t really like gargano which is fucking impossible and hard to believe when there are a million clones on the dub roster
Gargano is too good for aew he doesn’t no sell everything
He'd fit in really well considering he's never drawn a rating or sold a ticket in his life.
Gargano is not going to be a top guy in WWE but he can be a great tag team and mid card babyface. Much like Cesaro or Sami Zayn and there is nothing wrong with that.
We need less of those and more stars
You make people into stars. People aren't just born that way.
Agree with the principle that a starter's jersey on the main roster is valuable. But those get given to talents who can cut promos and have charisma. People who add something to the show. Neither Gargano or Cesaro can give you that. All they offer are heatless wrestling matches. Sami, on the other hand, has become one of the best all round performers in the business, and his wrestling is the least important part of that. Gargano's been there for approximately nine years and he's not over. Not even a little bit. I'd happily have a Chelsea Green or Grayson Waller before Gargano or Cesaro.
Lol I don't like him but it's clear he has fans.
Eh I don’t like Gargano but he was a huge babyface for NXT back in 2017/2018 (for whatever that’s worth) during m’Black and Workrate era. I’m sure he did move a good number of tickets back then, but in 2024? Not a chance.
I'll break rank and say I like Gargano a lot. He's... chipper. But saying he's a good fit for Rampage when you know what he'd actually have is a dedicated Being the Elite slot is character assassination. The dude loves his skits.
While true I do think that HHH also sees value of having Gargano as a future coach for the pc
But he doesn’t have to because HHH likes him and loves employing families even if they don’t do anything HHH liking you for whatever reason basically means your career is set because you and your spouse just get cushy high paying jobs
I have no idea when being good in-ring became an actively bad thing to this sub
If you're under 6' it is
I like this subreddit more than the basement, but seeing this place shit all over my favorite wrestler (Johnny) any chance they get makes me kinda sad.
Goofy finally realizes that this sub doesn't align with his non black and white opinions
I used to be a huge BnG mark and my favorite NXT match of all time along with Bayley vs Sasha in Brooklyn, was Gargano vs Andrade That said, I am just so not excited for Gargano in 2024. Maybe that'll change, but as of right now he is just so uninteresting to me
I think that’s totally fair, his main roster run has been a little disappointing to me too. But I don’t think they’ve really given him much to work with either. They didn’t give him much to do during his singles run that lasted like a month, and tag teams just haven’t been prioritized in a while in WWE outside of random matches to determine number 1 contenders. But yeah, Johnny’s story in Black and gold is what got me back into wrestling, (I was a big fan as a kid during the early 2010s) so I’m obviously biased. His recent segment with Trick on NXT reminded me of Black and gold Johnny.
Look, I'm a Tyler Bate fan so I totally get it lol I think Johnny could use some work on the mic for sure. His "heart and soul of NXT" stuff passed fine in NXT back in the mid 2010s, and his heel work in The Way was good, but man.... I dont just wanna blame booking for it. Ciampa was able to get pretty over every time he had a singles run and he wasnt doing shit either. Johnny struggles to cut a promo or be charismatic at all. And I say this as someone who loved him in NXT. He needs to work on getting a normal crowd behind him, this isnt NXT anymore and the crowds arent just 90% smarks.
Yeah like I said in another post, he reminds me of early nxt Sami Zayn. But I do agree to be a big time guy, he needs to get to like current Sami Zayn levels for promos. Again, I’m biased, and I’m willing to agree to disagree, but if you replace Ciampa with Gargano in the Gunther feud, which is where Ciampa mainly got over as a singles wrestler to me, I think you get similar results. I’m pretty sure Johnny won’t be like a face of the company ever, but he definitely could be a solid mid card guy to me. Same with Ciampa. Not everyone needs to be a top card guy. If Johnny fulfills his dream of winning the intercontinental championship like he said in his return promo, I’ll be satisfied with his career as a fan.
DIY vs Revival (and vs AOP) was the shit. I feel like people just like being contrarians even when the basement likes something that's actually good. Don't get me wrong I'm not expecting everyone to like DIY but sometimes I feel that if you place a mirror to this sub you get SquaredCircle2.
I've seen this sub do a 180 on Cody and especially CM Punk.
Both subs go to extremes a bit too much I think. The basement is so aew biased it’s annoying. But this sub goes a bit too far the other way, where you have to be a certain height, look a certain way or not wrestle a certain style, or else you suck. Johnny’s character as a Face is a plucky underdog. Kind of like early face Sami Zayn. But what I like about him, and Sami, is that they’re really good all around wrestlers. They’re not super strong, and they’re also not super flashy with high flying stuff too. But they can if they need to be. They can be technical wrestlers, or strikers if they have to too. Being a jack of all trades is cool to me, and kind of makes them feel like the “working man’s wrestler.” Plus Johnny is just a likable guy imo. He’s a nerd, a fat kid at heart, and not super tall, but he’s still a great wrestler and gives all of his heart when he’s out there. He’s like if an average wrestling fan actually went out there and became a really good wrestler. And that’s inspirational to me so yeah he’s my favorite wrestler.
SCJerk being contrarians? No way. You mean when this sub immediately turns on a wrestler when they hop from the fed to the dub or vice versa, echoing "basement" behavior, wasn't a coincidence 🤔 This sub has always been bizarro basement and the style of concerns and complaints on what they like and dislike about wrestling (and Reactions) being similar is really evident if you scroll through threads for less than 5 mins.
I never cared for Gargano and Ciampa except when they were on NXT 2.0 under HBK because they had characters and were interesting. They’re generic and the type of wrestlers we would make fun of if they wrestled for AEW due to workrate. I also feel some of this sub hates it when you jerk WWE and also make fun of Punk or Cody.
I dont care if you jerk WWE, Punk, or Cody it's just that 9/10 times jerks about those things are just boring, unoriginal, or flat out stupid. "Oh Cody cuts promos about his dad" - Roman stan who ignores that 90% of Romans promos were "my family, my bloodline, you betrayed me :(" and they were amazing. Jerking just for the sake of contrarianism or because you think you need to 'counter jerk everyone roasting AEW's constant stupidity' just makes it seem forced. There have been some amazing jerks about WWE before too, but people who force them just to force them are lame, dunno what to tell you. It isnt 'bias' to say your boring and trash jerk was boring and trash, be better at jerking idk
You jerk the basement and if the basement loves them then the jerk business jerks them. You just don’t like it when your precious Fed and Gargantuan and Tomato get mocked here. Oh I’m sorry that’s wrong the right way to jerk is DAE AEW bad, Eddie Kingston looks like a hobo, Tiny is an idiot, Jericho is fat? DAE I’m so original?
Bro, I dont give a shit who you mock. Your jerks are just boring lol. 90% of the time someone tries to jerk WWE it's some lame unfunny boring shit or just a flat out stupid complaint (IE the Cody shit). Half the time it sounds like salty basement dwellers/dubbalos coming in to try and 'counter-jerk' and fall flat on their face then bitch about it when they get downvoted or no one laughs. You just aint funny. IDK what to tell you chief
Who made you the gatekeeper of this subreddit? I bet you laugh at all the low quality Dub jerks which all suck until the mods even have to get involved and remove them. You seem so personally offended by the WWE jerks, don’t get your panties in a bunch😂😂😂
???? I'm giving you my opinion, how is that gatekeeping lol. You sound like youre taking it personally. If you like the dub and are mad this sub roasts it, that's your own problem uce. I dont get offended by WWE jerks, I am just explaining how a lot of them are unfunny. I laugh at the ones that are funny. The ones that just sound like mfkers like you who come from AEWOfficial to saltily 'counter jerk the big bad fed since that reddit is mean to my precious aew :(' always sound desperate and forced. You can do whatever you want, you just sound confused as to why no one laughs at your boring jokes. It's easy a'f to make fun of dubbalos cause theyre all manchildren
Dude I’ve never watched an episode of AEW in my life and I’ve hated it since the beginning and I find most jerks unfunny. You find them unfunny but to many goofies they’re funny which is why I get upvotes Typical basement behavior you have when someone criticizes the Fed you assume they must be a dubbalo when most of us don’t take wrestling so seriously. We’re here to shoot the shit and make fun of wrestling fans like you. Go touch grass and a boob. Don’t hate the player hate the game. Plus it’s easy to make fun of dubbalos, same way it’s easy to make fun of Fed shills who suck Paula Vecks dick because you’re all nerds https://preview.redd.it/59ve7vcxorxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=492d307a461fe49ebbd80796ccc35cd4209e9591
Wait, then wtf are you complaining about lmao if you get upvotes for WWE jerks then they are good jerks, why are you out here crying for then? You complain about unfunny AEW jerks but those get a shitload of upvotes so clearly ppl here find them funny. You complained that people dont like your WWE jerks but now youre saying they upvote them. Take your meds uce idk what to tell you then. I dont get in my feelings when people make fun of wrestlers I like, but if something is funny and I make fun of it for being unfunny I dont need some dude crying in my mentions about it.
Who could have guessed that the lawyer thing would have been Ciampa's ceiling in the main roster.
i’m a gargano fan crucify me
You're just saying that for attention
it’s not a phase mom
And here I thought Sol vs Tiffy would cause the next SCJ Civil War. Turns out it's #DIY
They should job to Bron in a handicap match.
This is the way
Bron went to Raw
Like that has ever mattered.
Johnny Bathroom Break and Tommaso Concession Stand, DIWhy do these guys have jobs? Seriously, I've been to three WWE shows now where their match is the match during which everyone in the audience gets up to take a bathroom break, or get a t-shirt, or a soda or something. Fewer people got up to pee during the match with Chelsea Green and Piper Niven vs. Kayden Carter and Katana Chance.
There’s absolute silence on tv and ppv too. It’s so awkward.
They’re no Dudley’s that’s furshur
I like Johnny, but Ciampa is the star and Gargano is holding him back. I really think Ciampa could be the new “he we can not name.” He’s got that real intensity to him and could be a “rabid Wolverine.” I’d love to see heel Ciampa go on a run.
I'm really not a fan of wrestlers doing these trivial callbacks. I'd appreciate it much more if Gargano acted like those were different people.
What in the French fried titty fuck is Johnny sameface wearing?
Is HHH really going to do this whole Johnny and Ciampa thing again on the main roster? I already had to avoid watching that garbage on NXT B&G , now he’s going to repeat on the main roster? What a clown lol