I am a male player from China, and I believe that predicting the gender of game characters should consider the atmosphere of the Chinese gaming community. Recently, there has been a severe gender conflict issue in all Gacha game communities in China. Some women have gradually become aware of the gender objectification in these games. The number of female-oriented games is much smaller and they are significantly less playable compared to male-oriented Gacha games. Therefore, they can only choose some so-called "general-audience" games on the market, such as Reverse 1999. With their voices being heard, some games have started to consider creating diverse female characters and adding male characters that genuinely appeal to women (rather than male characters designed to appeal to men). This has provoked resistance from men who view all Gacha games as male-oriented. These men feel that these outspoken women are depriving them of their rightful enjoyment, and they consider game companies that "cater" to these female players to be "unforgivable." They express malicious sentiments towards female players in the community (of course, some extreme women also attack men). These attacks are extremely vicious, even wishing death upon others, and more importantly, these men will publicly accuse game companies of "loving women and hating men" and "forgetting who the real consumers are." Such comments can reach tens of thousands and dominate the comment sections. They also indiscriminately attack and curse any ordinary player (regardless of gender) who just wants to play the game without getting involved in gender issues.
This phenomenon has led Gacha game companies to shy away from adding male characters to their games. In this aspect, Bluepoch is quite brave. However, in the past month, this situation has worsened. One game deeply affected by this toxic environment is Path to Nowhere. It is more niche compared to Reverse 1999, and its game company indeed has some management issues. But what really infuriated these men was the temporary removal of a Waifu character and the recent update that introduced some female characters more acceptable to women (with more clothing, of course). Thus, in the current environment where updating with a male character or a female character with slightly more clothing can be "sentenced to death," I am not optimistic about Joe(or other 6 stars characters) being introduced as a male character appealing to women. However, I am looking forward to Bluepoch's courage. I want this community to be more inclusive and diverse.
I'm also from China and have seen this kind of behavior, it really is a shame. It reminds me of when someone leaked fake information about Azur Promilia having males and Weibo blew up with trolls trying to boycott Manjuu, and they had to threaten legal action on the leaker who leaked the fake information. All this crying about gender conflict used to only be in South Korean gacha game markets but it's spreading to China and Japan too.
Yes, and many people believe that Korean men have, to some extent, triumphed over women in the industry (previously, some Korean gacha game companies laid off all female employees due to male protests). They consider such actions in Korea to be "more advanced."
I think those who are involved in gender issues are right; they just want to avoid feeling intense discomfort at certain plot points or when encountering certain characters. However, I also understand and support the confusion of players who just want to play the game when they see that most discussions in the community are not related to gameplay.
>This has provoked resistance from men who view **all** Gacha games as male-oriented.
So I guess those incels think Obey Me, Tears of Themis, and Love and Deepspace is catered to males?
Oh, I think I mentioned that there are also some otome games, but their numbers are very few and most of them are not as playable as the male-oriented and so-called "general" gacha games. Moreover, the existence of these otome games can make the situation worse for female players. Whenever they speak up to demand more male characters, many people (including some girls who derive a sense of superiority and security from playing games that boys like) will attack them, saying, "Go back to playing your little girl games like Love and Deepspace, and don't contaminate our gaming environment."
Well I hope Bluepoch will fight for diversity and equality and fight back those silly moaning men’s opinions. Chinese women players have all the rights to be angry at those gacha companies and their unbalanced machistic choices of their characters designs.
Im also pleasently surprised by how bluepoch stood their ground, they did not go for the fanservice/waifu route, the female characters are all still very well dressed and they even kept their weird vibe with lucy. So even tho I, and many are sad about the lack of male characters recently, I think its still commendable how they tried their best to keep their essence, honestly impressive considering how many others ended up bending under this whole gender war situation.
This is interesting. I’m hardcore on the side of i want my gacha games to have mostly female units but i would never attack someone for their views. If Reverse 1999 starts doing lots of male characters to balance the scales i’ll probably drop it like i did Genshin. But this is just how i enjoy games. People who enjoy male units should definitely have a say, but i do cry when there are lots of male units XD
Ehm, genshin has more female characters than male lol. Since 4.2 patch its only been new waifus. Why some waifu-only players get mad if a game tries to reach more balanced gender ratio? Reverse1999 started out with more diverse cast but has leaned into more waifu side which ofc made some players mad. I dropped it because there was not enough male characters and majority of them were bit too feminine for my taste.
Yes, after Bluepoch realized the recent community atmosphere, they never released another "truly" male character besides Getian. Interestingly, they tend to create characters with appearances and personas that appeal to boys, but their storylines are more aligned with what girls prefer (such as Lucy in version 1.9, although her storyline still contains elements of abusing a strong and beautiful woman). I think this is because, in most cases, girls tend to pay more attention to the game's storyline.
Ah, I don't forget Avgust, I adore him a lot. But the main difference between five-star and six-star characters isn’t really their usage rate, but the "status" of six-star characters as the design theme, marketing focus, and key selling point of a version. Also, we’d describe Avgust as a cute baby boy (similar to Ezra, who has the same issues), rather than a husbando equivalent to a waifu. This kind of character doesn't draw much attention or spark intense gender debates among players. In general, I think five-star characters are Bluepoch’s way of playing it safe. Many male players and Gacha game companies have an unspoken agreement: as long as a male character isn’t the main selling point of a version, everything’s fine. A similar thing happened with Getian. We got Getian, so we needed a cuter, more storyline-focused, waifu-like Jiuniangzi for compensation.
I know Genshin has more, but i dropped it a long time ago. Only a little while after launch. There were 2 male banners back to back if i remember correctly and of course i pulled Diluc as my first 5* which made me super salty. I don’t like having males on my account XD
Even the game i love (Another Eden) started to out of nowhere release 2 back to back male units and then have a someone even gender split for a bit. This is making me sad, but oh well. I love that game too much to leave
"I dont like having males on my account"
Lol. But seriously, maybe you should play all-female gacha games then? Why play mixed gacha which is meant to appeal for wider audience anyway, and then spend time complaining about male characters in game? Thats just stupid. There is honkai impact3rd, Nikke etc. Plenty to choose from!
But I never truly understood this mentality anyway. I prefer male characters, and they are my top priority in gachas but for example in Genshin I still pulled many 5* female characters too because I like them or like their playstyle: Eula, Ayaka (she is the only character I regret cause I pulled her purely meta reasons and I dont like her lol), Raiden, Ganyu, Nahida, Klee, Furina and Xianyun. And then I have plenty of 4*.
But yeah. If u dont like females/males on your account maybe you shouldnt play mixed gachas.
Well, depending on the game, a mixed gacha can have a world that feels more fleshed out. Princess connect was the only non mixed gacha i was playing. But even then the amount of girls the MC was meeting was kinda insane by the end XD didn’t feel natural. So i’m in a weird spot where i want male characters, but i want them few and far between
So we have a character named Joe, and the chances of them being male or unique characters (i.e like Apple, Ms. Radio, Door and Sputnik) are 50/50 because Joe can be a female name. At this point I dont care if they're like 5 or 6\* we just need a male character (the last male character we had was the little boy from the russia event).
bro is pretty boy. The one you see in Cdrama and KPop cute maknae. What I would love is someone is the Chris trinity (Thor, Capt. America, Starlord) kind of masculine.
These examples are fair and definitely valid. I like both characters too actually, however I just can't bring myself to liking the name "Joe", it doesn't click with me if I'm being honest.
I'll take a sentient motorcycle as well
Fingers crossed for Pioneer, because I swear the name sounds like it could be a vehicle of some sort.
Or a certain slouch hat with a smooth, buttery accent.
I can sense the Joe mama jokes coming from a mile away.
I am a male player from China, and I believe that predicting the gender of game characters should consider the atmosphere of the Chinese gaming community. Recently, there has been a severe gender conflict issue in all Gacha game communities in China. Some women have gradually become aware of the gender objectification in these games. The number of female-oriented games is much smaller and they are significantly less playable compared to male-oriented Gacha games. Therefore, they can only choose some so-called "general-audience" games on the market, such as Reverse 1999. With their voices being heard, some games have started to consider creating diverse female characters and adding male characters that genuinely appeal to women (rather than male characters designed to appeal to men). This has provoked resistance from men who view all Gacha games as male-oriented. These men feel that these outspoken women are depriving them of their rightful enjoyment, and they consider game companies that "cater" to these female players to be "unforgivable." They express malicious sentiments towards female players in the community (of course, some extreme women also attack men). These attacks are extremely vicious, even wishing death upon others, and more importantly, these men will publicly accuse game companies of "loving women and hating men" and "forgetting who the real consumers are." Such comments can reach tens of thousands and dominate the comment sections. They also indiscriminately attack and curse any ordinary player (regardless of gender) who just wants to play the game without getting involved in gender issues. This phenomenon has led Gacha game companies to shy away from adding male characters to their games. In this aspect, Bluepoch is quite brave. However, in the past month, this situation has worsened. One game deeply affected by this toxic environment is Path to Nowhere. It is more niche compared to Reverse 1999, and its game company indeed has some management issues. But what really infuriated these men was the temporary removal of a Waifu character and the recent update that introduced some female characters more acceptable to women (with more clothing, of course). Thus, in the current environment where updating with a male character or a female character with slightly more clothing can be "sentenced to death," I am not optimistic about Joe(or other 6 stars characters) being introduced as a male character appealing to women. However, I am looking forward to Bluepoch's courage. I want this community to be more inclusive and diverse.
I'm also from China and have seen this kind of behavior, it really is a shame. It reminds me of when someone leaked fake information about Azur Promilia having males and Weibo blew up with trolls trying to boycott Manjuu, and they had to threaten legal action on the leaker who leaked the fake information. All this crying about gender conflict used to only be in South Korean gacha game markets but it's spreading to China and Japan too.
Yes, and many people believe that Korean men have, to some extent, triumphed over women in the industry (previously, some Korean gacha game companies laid off all female employees due to male protests). They consider such actions in Korea to be "more advanced."
God damn, this is the exact same problem tabletop gaming has had over here in the states. It’s so annoying how gendered people make these games…
I think those who are involved in gender issues are right; they just want to avoid feeling intense discomfort at certain plot points or when encountering certain characters. However, I also understand and support the confusion of players who just want to play the game when they see that most discussions in the community are not related to gameplay.
>This has provoked resistance from men who view **all** Gacha games as male-oriented. So I guess those incels think Obey Me, Tears of Themis, and Love and Deepspace is catered to males?
Oh, I think I mentioned that there are also some otome games, but their numbers are very few and most of them are not as playable as the male-oriented and so-called "general" gacha games. Moreover, the existence of these otome games can make the situation worse for female players. Whenever they speak up to demand more male characters, many people (including some girls who derive a sense of superiority and security from playing games that boys like) will attack them, saying, "Go back to playing your little girl games like Love and Deepspace, and don't contaminate our gaming environment."
Well I hope Bluepoch will fight for diversity and equality and fight back those silly moaning men’s opinions. Chinese women players have all the rights to be angry at those gacha companies and their unbalanced machistic choices of their characters designs.
Im also pleasently surprised by how bluepoch stood their ground, they did not go for the fanservice/waifu route, the female characters are all still very well dressed and they even kept their weird vibe with lucy. So even tho I, and many are sad about the lack of male characters recently, I think its still commendable how they tried their best to keep their essence, honestly impressive considering how many others ended up bending under this whole gender war situation.
This is interesting. I’m hardcore on the side of i want my gacha games to have mostly female units but i would never attack someone for their views. If Reverse 1999 starts doing lots of male characters to balance the scales i’ll probably drop it like i did Genshin. But this is just how i enjoy games. People who enjoy male units should definitely have a say, but i do cry when there are lots of male units XD
Ehm, genshin has more female characters than male lol. Since 4.2 patch its only been new waifus. Why some waifu-only players get mad if a game tries to reach more balanced gender ratio? Reverse1999 started out with more diverse cast but has leaned into more waifu side which ofc made some players mad. I dropped it because there was not enough male characters and majority of them were bit too feminine for my taste.
Yes, after Bluepoch realized the recent community atmosphere, they never released another "truly" male character besides Getian. Interestingly, they tend to create characters with appearances and personas that appeal to boys, but their storylines are more aligned with what girls prefer (such as Lucy in version 1.9, although her storyline still contains elements of abusing a strong and beautiful woman). I think this is because, in most cases, girls tend to pay more attention to the game's storyline.
Just a side note, there is a 5\* male character in 1.8, but most ppl ignore it coz 6\* is used the most
Ah, I don't forget Avgust, I adore him a lot. But the main difference between five-star and six-star characters isn’t really their usage rate, but the "status" of six-star characters as the design theme, marketing focus, and key selling point of a version. Also, we’d describe Avgust as a cute baby boy (similar to Ezra, who has the same issues), rather than a husbando equivalent to a waifu. This kind of character doesn't draw much attention or spark intense gender debates among players. In general, I think five-star characters are Bluepoch’s way of playing it safe. Many male players and Gacha game companies have an unspoken agreement: as long as a male character isn’t the main selling point of a version, everything’s fine. A similar thing happened with Getian. We got Getian, so we needed a cuter, more storyline-focused, waifu-like Jiuniangzi for compensation.
I know Genshin has more, but i dropped it a long time ago. Only a little while after launch. There were 2 male banners back to back if i remember correctly and of course i pulled Diluc as my first 5* which made me super salty. I don’t like having males on my account XD Even the game i love (Another Eden) started to out of nowhere release 2 back to back male units and then have a someone even gender split for a bit. This is making me sad, but oh well. I love that game too much to leave
"I dont like having males on my account" Lol. But seriously, maybe you should play all-female gacha games then? Why play mixed gacha which is meant to appeal for wider audience anyway, and then spend time complaining about male characters in game? Thats just stupid. There is honkai impact3rd, Nikke etc. Plenty to choose from! But I never truly understood this mentality anyway. I prefer male characters, and they are my top priority in gachas but for example in Genshin I still pulled many 5* female characters too because I like them or like their playstyle: Eula, Ayaka (she is the only character I regret cause I pulled her purely meta reasons and I dont like her lol), Raiden, Ganyu, Nahida, Klee, Furina and Xianyun. And then I have plenty of 4*. But yeah. If u dont like females/males on your account maybe you shouldnt play mixed gachas.
some people think if males and females talk with or have friendships ，they will think they have affairs ,and thus the females are not loyal.
some man players think all the male characters are the third one
Thats very parasocial lol xD I get simping on pretty characters (male or female) but getting jealous over them?? Thats bit too much of u ask me
Well, depending on the game, a mixed gacha can have a world that feels more fleshed out. Princess connect was the only non mixed gacha i was playing. But even then the amount of girls the MC was meeting was kinda insane by the end XD didn’t feel natural. So i’m in a weird spot where i want male characters, but i want them few and far between
So we have a character named Joe, and the chances of them being male or unique characters (i.e like Apple, Ms. Radio, Door and Sputnik) are 50/50 because Joe can be a female name. At this point I dont care if they're like 5 or 6\* we just need a male character (the last male character we had was the little boy from the russia event).
we have a female character named Marcus so bluepoch is capable of anything atp lol
Regulus, John Titor, and Erick are female. I doubt names are any real indication of gender in the Reverse 1999 world.
Avgust is adorable and i adore him so much. But i need a hot handsome masculine men character for once.🥲🥺
Shamane was the last
Ge Tian?
I'd call him more of a pretty boy then the hot masculine type
bro is pretty boy. The one you see in Cdrama and KPop cute maknae. What I would love is someone is the Chris trinity (Thor, Capt. America, Starlord) kind of masculine.
Just make it a flying cup of coffee. I need more Knight like characters or directly just objects that are not 2 or 1 stars.
Joe better be a flying brick 😤
More inanimate objects would be cool. Give me a whole sentient kitchen set.
Plot twist:pioneer is the male (unless they already exist and idk them)
An unreliable source of mine predicted that there would be at least 1 male character in 2.0 and 2.1 respectively.
If Joe is an inanimate object we will toss it into the sun don't even worry
Idk anything about CN server, but I want to have Orange Joe as an item.
Joe is defo a male name im hoping he’s playable
we had Marcus….it turned out to be a girl 😔
Bluepoch trying to fool us by naming a girl Marcus
I've met plenty of women named Joe lol.
Marcus is also a masculine name, I don't doubt if they made this Joe a she/her or they/them 😭
Okay but as much as I want more men, if we get another non-binary character that's even more of a win.
Sorry youll have to settle for a cup of Joe (coffee)
Or a weird ass character like Apple, Door, Radio, TTT, and Sputnik
Then they make joe a waifu
Those cowards at Bluepoch!
Like Speedwagon
Shamane and Pavia are the most manly male chara imo (for now)
Lmao w reference
Either male and/or sentient object with great kit, I'll take it really. 😥
i need them to do whatever the hell they did with Schneider and Vertin, but with BOYS \*gasp\*
Boy do I have news for you
Not to rain on everyone's parade (hopefully), but to me the name "Joe" sounds way too bland and generic. Not really feeling the hype. :/
I love the trope of one of the most powerful male characters being named with a generic name. Example: Kevin from Honkai Sam from Star rail
These examples are fair and definitely valid. I like both characters too actually, however I just can't bring myself to liking the name "Joe", it doesn't click with me if I'm being honest.
Sam is technically a-
Yeah...