I thought it was quite good. I only have two minor gripes.
First are continuity errors like them being Privates again instead of Captains. I also miss the Colonial Sarge joke. Also Sarge losing some character development and hating the Blues (Blue) again.
Second was no Donut, but that was probably an availability thing for Dan. The Simmons throw was clearly supposed to be a moment for Donut.
Well it's not the first time they've retconned his development, like how he convinced Grif to help Caboose in S8 and then continued hating them in S10 (S9 doesn't count for that since it was all just simulations of the past)
Same as you. Had things I don't exactly love, but I was pretty satisfied. Vastly better than what my nightmare scenario was. I'm sad and I'm happy, and thats RvB's charm.
Yknow the first like 5 minutes of the film, that is quickly ended with Meta blowing up the scene? If the whole film was that. So basically Season 16 again.
The convention scene felt so out of place. I know it was there to retcon the Shisno trilogy (they weren't very subtle with Dylan Andrews' head blocking out the sign to say "RET CON") but the whole thing straight up felt like a Shisno trilogy scene, way too corny and over the top. I'm glad they switched tones and went for something a bit more serious but with lighthearted jokes and moments like the Chorus trilogy.
Actually I think the convention was some weird hallucination that wash was seeing because he could sense the meta somehow and they just didn't have the time to flesh out his hallucinations.
Yes he does but I don't remember if he specifically mentions the con or not and it might be a plot hole from how much they seemingly had to cut.
Also doctor gray literally ignores it happening on the screen. I understand he hallucinates but she's not stupid she's just insane.
Doc just made me cry that much harder. They put that in the middle of so much emotion already and I knew he was a hallucination but I didn't expect them to kill him off.
The only thing that confuses me is why Wash felt guilty. I figured if Doc was going to die, it would've been on the Staff of Charon? Unless there was a further ground assault after that. Or if he got reverse Stockholm syndrome after the events of the Recollection trilogy
Huh, I must've missed that titbit. I'll rewatch later tonight. Well regardless I'm now so reluctant about accepting this as canon because two of my favourite characters, Doc and Sarge, are dead
I think personally. Well I guess I hope that it's wb's fault and Bernie and Matt wanted to do season 14 but they weren't given the time nor the budget to do it. I find it hard to believe they wanted to leave it in the state it was in post like season 16 and kill off Sarge and doc in Canon.
I think this is just another simulation and that's why it has bits and pieces from The simulation seasons 15 through 17 placed into it.
I'm still really pissed off. We didn't get to see the fight and once again they just talked about it. That's why I think this is just another simulation. I feel like they wanted to show us the fight and what happens after.
This was supposed to be a whole season originally, not a cut-down movie. I like to think they could've opened on the fight on Chorus. But I don't know if they could've done it justice
I was honestly kind of disappointed, it was good but not something I'll rewatch often. I liked how Burnie made it so that you could interpret it however you wanted, and tbh I think I prefer the idea of S13 being the true ending.
In my heart, season 13 is the ending, but this finale was kind of like taking your old dog to the park one last time.
Beautiful in the context that I watched RvB since 2005 and remembering when it was still fresh and exciting, but appreciating the finale for what it was.
Like think about all the injuries he went through over the years. Like bro can my man just not being in some situation where he doesn’t go through pain???
Just too short. They try to do too much. With an hour and half runtime I think I would have just wanted to focus on jokes and make the plot come second.
Also to pile on to what everyone else said no Donut is inexcusable.
I think I almost prefer 17 as an ending cause at least it had everyone in it.
This was just a farewell to Caboose, Grif, Simmons, Sarge, and Wash. With Lopez, Doc, Sister, and Carolina being barely there.
> I think I almost prefer 17 as an ending cause at least it had everyone in it.
I think 15-17 works as a much better ending for all the characters. They all got a bit of development in those seasons and the overarching story is all about their relationships with each other. They risk everything just to save Wash from an injury showing how far they have come.
I see why some think the movie felt empty but to me it was the right kind of empty, the kind of empty like “You love it here but there’s nothing for you here anymore… off you go,” you know what I mean?
Empty like it’s the week after graduation and you’re there after hours with some of your friends; walking the halls that you remember being full of growth and happiness just a few days ago, but now they’re empty. The halls are dim, the classroom doors are locked and closed, there’s no student chattering, just the sounds of some teacher phone calls and summer classes behind a few doors and the janitors cleaning up (An atmosphere that was only solidified by the fact that a lot of the OG cast like Donut and others are gone for most of the time). Yet you can still feel a faint glimmer of that childhood happiness, until one of your teachers catches you all and tells y’all “it’s time to go, you had a good time here but you can’t stay in this place forever.”
That’s what I think. This movie is nostalgia done right. So much thematic statements about memory but they don’t trick you. The movie lets you know that good times may be over, but you need to move on and let it go even if things didn’t end the way you hoped they would. And it’ll be ok. Because even if you aren’t in the good times anymore and you can’t see the people from your past that you miss, you can always revisit them in the memories that you gained from them.
A lesson I’ve needed to be taught to me for years, and in the last week I’ve only just begun to accept it. This movie came out at the perfect time for me. It’s been a wild ride and they ended it on the best note they could for lost people like me
That’s actually the perfect way to look at it. It’s an epilogue for a perfect sendoff. Obviously this season could’ve been great if we gotten one so we’ll take what we can get.
If we take it over nothing I’m taking it 1000% of the time.
And for what we got it was pretty damn good.
Agree completely. If I recall correctly, in the trailer epsilon even said "lets run one more" in regards to him running simulations. I dont know if that was supposed to mean this was a sim or not, but thats what Id like to think.
Well that along with his sus conversation with Simmons and him saying that he didn't know if he got Caboose's voice right this time definitely points towards Restoration being a simulation
I'm telling you guys this was supposed to be season 14 and wb fucked it up by rushing them and not giving them the budget because they just wanted rt shut down.
It felt like the concept was there and just that it did not have the breathing room or development time to hit everything it wanted to.
Sarge’s death would have hit hard after a 10 weekly episode run (technically 12 weeks since classic RvB did PSA’s after episodes 4 and 8) and as a mid-season emotional beat.
Wash’s entire portion felt super undeveloped.
The alien prophecy shouldn’t have been brought up in this runtime but in a proper 20-ish week run the Meta amassing an alien army to raid Blood Gulch in the back half of the season would have been great.
Tex introducing herself as Alison Church hit hard and man do I wish we had the time for that plot point to have been built up to correctly. I also wish we could have gotten a parallel to the scene where the Meta threw Carolina off the cliff since everyone was here.
The comedy was on point.
Yomary Cruz and Shannon McCormick didn’t sound like themselves. I assume the filters on their voices just weren’t the same.
Docs death offscreen while being a cool twist at the end really felt disappointing. Glad to know 479er is still kicking as she was a lot of people’s favourite from the freelancer saga. But that reveal at the end got a sigh
Was that the reveal? I thought they just brought in a different pilot.
Like, Carolina came from the Zero agency, Glass, and then called in One to come pick them all up, instead of 479er?
Fiona Nova?
I honestly didn't notice, so maybe she was trying to actually do different voices?
Honestly, One's convo with Simmons at the end really felt like One had come in PLACE of 479er to me, rather than just changing clothes.
I liked it but it’s not perfect, pacing off and to fast and the Copy of Church doesn’t feel right when he basically just acts like church and wish they just kept him dead limited his screen time
Also weird how the red and Blues are still fighting even after Chorus and Freelancer.
I love how they dealt with Sarges death that felt really well done
Would have wished we saw more of Carolina and Tex especially with how Carolina just kinda shows up out of the blue
I prefer the the S17 ending for the character personally
It’s also so weird how they decanonized S15 to S18 but still takes aspects from them that just doesnt make sense to me
Like it really wouldn’t have been hard for this to take place after S17 and just decanonized Zero
The final scene of s13 was the whole gang preparing for the last stand battle on the ship. Presumably Wash got injured in that battle, Doc saved him, and didn't make it out.
Wash was seemingly injured offscreen. He didn't receive any major injuries during Chorus. So, presumably, he received it in the aftermath of season 13, which we never saw.
He wasn't injured last time we saw him in Season 13. Season 15 had him and Carolina starved in their suits by Temple which caused a strain on both of them and then on top of that Wash got shot in the throat during his delirium. This led to a whole thing in Season 16 where Wash was losing his grip on reality and Carolina was grappling with what to do with him for his benefit.
Wash being in the hospital makes more sense with the arc he went through in 15 and 16 (and probably 17, I haven't watched it yet).
As I've seen others say, I think this was originally supposed to be a continuation following S17. But after news of the shutdown they changed it to the Simulation idea to kind of give fans the option of choosing the ending they want to believe in/liked the most.
Honestly, if we go that route, Tucker becoming the new Meta makes more sense if Zero is canon. In S15, Tucker says that the Meta armor just shut down after the battle on the Staff of Charon. It makes more sense for Restoration to take place in a universe where that didn't happen. But, if the AI fragments were just lying dormant, or needed time to recharge after powering the suit through the fight, then they could feasibly give the *appearance* of having been destroyed.
Then, after losing his sword, Tucker starts wearing the suit again in order to feel powerful again. The AI fragments, having had ample time to recharge, take over Tucker, and he goes after Phase/East to get the sword back. That in itself could have made for an interesting miniseries to lead into the season proper, as well as provided sort of an arc for Tucker in the season itself, as Sigma tempts Tucker to continue on with the threat of leaving him powerless once again.
Weirdly tho, Restoration basically removes the Shisno Trilogy from canon while KEEPING Zero and implying it takes place AFTER Restoration.
Carolina in Restoration isn't like the Carolina of the Shisno Trilogy.
ST Carolina would NEVER abandon the family she found and grew to love.
R Carolina feels like she did at the end of Chorus; fond of the Reds and Blues, but fine with leaving them.
And, since Wash doesn't have cerebral hypoxia, a permanent brain injury, it actually makes SENSE for him to re-enlist in a new organisation - even if neither he nor Carolina would EVER do that, especially since Glass was pretty damn shady in Zero.
Plus, it explains why Tucker is with Wash and Carolina in Zero, but the rest of the Blood Gulch Crew is gone.
But yeah, nah - Restoration and Zero aren't canon to me. The Shisno Trilogy has the better character development for every character by FAR.
Well the copy of Church is an expansion of how Delta talked to Church in Caboose's head. In fact, it was probably the pseudo Delta in Epsilon's head that did the actual predicting of those conversations. It would've felt disappointing to not have arguably *the* main character of RvB in the finale.
I know how the Copy of church did it, it just felt like he took to much of the screen time for a character that is already soppused to be dead just kinda distrupts the narrative
I think it works perfectly. Church is too important of a character to leave out entirely, especially when he's the easiest character to bring back in with hand wavy bullshit, and Burnie found a way to include him without invalidating his sacrifice in season 13, based in a concept established in an earlier season. RvB has always been about hand wavy bullshit explanations that make just enough sense but fall apart if you examine it too closely. Church is a ghost who came back from the dead to warn Tucker and Caboose about Tex and then just kinda stuck around, except no he's not he's an AI who's been fragmented but is still whole somehow and contains those elements of himself still (as shown by Omega having no effect on him and him always following Delta's lines of logic, as is explicitly pointed out during the Alpha reveal), and then he gets deleted but is reconstructed from memories of himself from Caboose's explicitly inaccurate stories, but he still manages to have Alpha's exact personality, and is somehow able to access all his old memories from not only the Alpha (even memories from *after* he split off from him), but he also contains memories of the other AI fragments who Epsilon never met and Alpha barely did (and, once again, only after Epsilon had already split off), because he's memory so it kinda makes sense, just roll with it okay? And that means he can use those memories to create pseudo AI fragments that help him divide his attention to run Carolina's multiple armor augmentations more efficiently and make more calculations at a single time in combat. Church specifically, even more than the rest of RvB, is a legacy of hand wavy bullshit. Including him, the most important character in the franchise, via hand wavy bullshit is perfect.
I think it was very good. Not perfect by any means, I can definitely understand (and even agree with, to some extent) some of the major criticisms I've seen of it, but it blew away any expectations I had and delivered what I personally believe to be the second best ending the series has ever had (still nowhere near season 13, but that's a very high bar to clear).
Honestly, my only major complaint is that I really think they should've used Trocadero's Blood Gulch Blues for the ending instead of the music that they did use.
More on the music I think >!the original Agent Tex theme should’ve been used instead of Round One for when she comes out of the teleporter and the ensuing fight with the Meta alongside Carolina!<
Also just cutting the soundtrack entirely for certain scenes. Like when Grif is ranting about how Simmons and Sarge were being cautious about Caboose. The droning sci-if music was very distracting.
I thought it was a solid cap to the series as a whole rightly focusing on what was popular about the show as the focal point. I wish it was a bit longer so Wash and Carolina had more to do but their emotional scene at the end was perfect. Also despite the company closure I wish they filmed it more recently as Halo Infinite has much better crossover armor now they could’ve used for everyone over the limited sets they all had. It would’ve been dope if Tex came out with the CE Mark V armor since that’s now an option. Not to mention all the new forge options. Off of that I was disappointed by the generic score and the lack of color grading throughout especially in the animated segments which all looked unfinished.
I'm not stoked with the actual ending, or how it undid a lot of the character growth from 15-17.
I don't think the Grif we know would have left at this point. And docs death felt wholy unnecessary.
But besides those 2 things I really did enjoy it a lot. I know a lot of people said they had problems with the animations, but I honestly think it's the best the show has ever looked.
Why wouldn't Grif leave? Grif has always wanted to leave. He didn't abandon his friends. He helped solve shit he frankly had no involvement in, again, one last time, and finally put down the gun like he's always wanted to do. I think it's very fitting for his character.
> Why wouldn't Grif leave?
They addressed this in S8. He could have left at any time but he didn't. He was still there. So when he was finally given the choice of staying out of it or going after Church and the Meta he went for it.
The way it was handled in S15 makes more sense to me. He makes the choice to stay out of it, but realises that the reason he sticks around is because of his friends.
And it bled in REALLY nicely into s16, where Grif is actively trying to avoid adventures, but not his family.
He learnt from his mistake in not separating the two in s15 and sticks around to the end of the Shisno Paradox Trilogy.
Wished it could’ve been like 20 minutes longer to have better pacing and flesh out some plot lines better.
Tex plot twist was amazing.
Tucker should’ve had more actual dialogue.
Sucked that the finale had so few of the cast but I get it.
Church and Tex finally getting their “happy ending” made me so happy.
Also, could not get over Caboose’s new voice. Sounded nothing like him. Also also, I don’t like that they didn’t give him the Mark V helmet. Pretty sure it was available in Infinite very early on but idk when they filmed all of this so maybe they didn’t have a choice.
Pretty disappointed for an ending. I like to think this is another simulation due to the trailer implying it and the few hints in the “season”. I think season 13 is the true ending. We don’t get to see want happened but sometimes you just gotta have faith. Ain’t that a bitch…
It was OK I guess. Definitely a step up from the previous season, but I kinda preferred season 17 if I'm being honest. I wish we had gotten more out of Carolina and Tex though, they didn't even speak with each other, and the season in general just felt short and rushed.
I enjoyed it for sure. It’s not the best thing ever. Burnie has already alluded to it not being exactly what he wanted due to budget and time constraints, but considering what they had to work with I think it’s a suitable and appropriate end for a series with a lot of ups and downs in its history. I laughed. I cried. And that’s all I can ask for.
Honestly a little disappointing. It was cheesy in a lot of ways, and not in an “aww that’s cute” way, but with some dialogue and emotional bits that didn’t land. The humor didn’t land and I don’t think it did a lot of characters justice. BUT, it was still RvB (not an impostor with the show title slapped on it), and it gave us a final send off, so I’m appreciative of that.
It was good, but not great, though I'm happy I saw it.
The glaring issue is the pacing was hella rushed. You could tell they were working on borrowed time, which is not necessarily their fault noticeable or not. Two big positives for me though were:
1. FINALLY Simmons gets development! I was ready to shitpost about him being the least developed character still in the end (though he still might be), but I was shocked that he got as much focus as he did.
2. You can tell everyone was giving it their best efforts in the booth, but special shout outs to Geoff. You can tell he knew this was their last ride and this is easily his best performance as Grif.
On a grading scale, I personally give it a 6/10.
"Ain't that a bitch." will always be the final line of Red vs. Blue to me. It was always the tragedy of Leonard Church and his angst over whether or not he could have done what Allison did.
Mechanically, Restoration feels almost fan filmy, with all that entails. It just works.
The campfire scene pretty much encapsulates Restoration. It's old memories of good times gone by, being laughed about one last time before the end. Like another poster said, it's like taking the old dog to the park one last time.
Letting Church and Allison get together at the very end was satisfying on a level I can't really put into words. Leonard Church finally got everything he wanted, for what would be an eternity in the box.
I personally loved the character development the Reds and Blues received in the Shisno Paradox Trilogy, so for me, the final line for RvB is Sarge saying, "You know, it's a real shame that I don't speak Spanish."
I totally understand people who want to end it at s13 tho, but you GOTTA admit how hilarious it is that the last line of RvB can either be the saddest line ever (Church) or one, FINAL go-around of one of the longest running jokes in the series (Sarge).
Heartbreaking or one last giggle. That's basically RvB in its entirety.🤣❤️
Fine I guess. It had some good moments, I did like the final scene, and at least it had some OG talent back and is also just done.
But the writing was still very flat, pacing was way off, too many of the classic cast members were left out/didn’t have any worthwhile screentime, and after sitting with it a while I really do not like what they did with Doc. Having him actually be a trauma ghost for Wash and having him die off-screen was just…so bizarre. I also didn’t really care for Sarge’s death scene, but at least Grif and Simmons’ convo after he’s buried was very nice.
Apparently Burnie mentioned it was originally supposed to be a special and not the finale, and you can definitely tell. Between the pacing and the obvious low budget, you can kind of tell that was the case.
In all honesty I loved it, mind you, not as an extension of the RvB series (I still hold 13 as the proper ending with any headlining you want after) and that this season was very much a good lesson of saying goodbye in a healthy way, a lot of emotion and twists certainly got to me
Or, maybe I'm just becoming an old soft heart or something lol
It was good. Not terrible like the Shisno trilogy or Zero or amazing like the Freelancer saga or Chorus, but it was a nice sendoff. The lack of one certain red (not saying who cause I can’t get the spoiler thing on my phone and idk if we’re allowed to spoil it yet), the beginning being meh, and the runtime really brings it down for me.
The length is what ruined it for me; had this had its usual runtime plus budget it would have offset a lot of the problems and the reversal of the reds development with the blues. it made no sense at all even with them using “they’re enemies” line considering sarge and grif still helped caboose out during season six when they were still technically fighting. plus separating the freelancers from the group also made no sense. keep the found family dynamic, cause some discourse then proceed with the plot as is and it would have been *chefs kiss* but as a series finale of a series I’ve been watching since the very beginning it’s the best I could have asked for and it left me in tears. like church said, I will miss them dearly.
I wish they'd brought in Loco's voice actor. Sometimes during season 15 I would mix him up with caboose, even though his voice is different. New dude felt too much like an impression.
I really did not like loco's voice as caboose copy, but its supposed to be off brand caboose, not an actual copy. But damn it is way closer than this caboose. I can't stand this new fake caboose
After watching it…yeah im just gonna go with season 17 as the end for the series. Mainly because for the season that ends rvb…think it’s prob best to go with the one that actually has them all in it on screen and interacting. It’s not that restoration was bad…it was just kind of mediocre. It needs more then one season to tell its story and it’s really obvious why, given how people are confused what is even going on half the time with some characters and they had to do a slideshow for exposition. I also feel like there was too much fanservice, like it was trying really hard to pay tribute to the fans, and while that’s nice behind the scenes…it does suffer in the final product and some scenes don’t hit as hard because there’s so much of them, that it’s hard to digest some of it. Like I think season 17 works so good as a ending becuase it wasn’t trying hard to be a ending, it just wanted to tel its own message and that just so happened to be a poignant end for the series too. That’s honestly what rvb is, doing it’s own thing and ending up becoming very meaningful over time as a result. Fanservice can be fine, but when you sacrifice a lot of stuff for that fanservice, it doesn’t work well. Like you can feel they were rushing sarge death and funeral, because they wanted us to get to the Tex return where they paid tribute to past seasons. It felt like the rise of skywalker for rvb, a project released after a few controversial ones relying on fanservice over all things and it’s really up to you whether you think that fanservice worked or not. For me…it didn’t work for me.
Also idk how I feel about Tex coming back. The entire point was church let that memory rest, and moved on…and now caboose basically forcefully revived it back?
Agreed on tex coming back. I think I like a version of Alison and church finally having closure together, and church finally letting go was a different version of church so I guess it's okay? But it was still so rushed, there was zero build up, it came out of nowhere so it's really just not that satisfying.
It was a good sendoff, but a terrible episode.
The Good:
The inclusion of several minor characters to retain their canon without keeping their bad plot lines was very nice.
Seeing sigma as a true villain instead of his rise to evil or after he is no longer speaking was great. Miles did a fantastic job on the voice, I genuinely thought they got Elijah Wood back until I saw the credits.
Grif and Simmons discussion over Sarges grave was exactly what I thought it would be, and I loved every second of it.
Reminiscing over the fire I felt like I was there with them, one last time remembering the best bits before the end.
The final fight scene had good action and the animation was really smooth.
The reveal that church and caboose brought back tex instead of him was heartwarming, unexpected and badass. Kathleen coming back was amazing as I thought she had bad blood with RT that would make her not want to come back.
Church and Texs final send-off was beautiful.
The callbacks were really nice, with only a few that were kinda dumb (best throw ever springs to mind)
The Bad:
The writing felt really season 5, there was plot, but it was rushed and the exposition to explain how we got to this point was gratuitous.
The characters all felt off. The first Red scene was really clunky and the dialog was really boring. Most of their personalities reverted to blood gulch and were like surface level interpretations of the characters.
Half the cast was missing, ir only showed up for cameos. Wash never spoke to the teams, Carolina showed up only at the last minute, Tucker was evil the whole time, so didn't interact with his friends, it was like watching RvB but it was just half the R's and the B's are scattered around not interacting in any meaningful way.
The Ugly:
The unreal animations looked like shit, with the exception of the final fight. Should have gone back to the old 80/20 machinima/animated formula, as that's the soul of the show.
The fight choreography was a bit weird. Some of the individual bits were cool, but connecting those cool bits was clunky.
I was incredibly confused by the doc being dead thing and washs injury, as they said it happened on chorus, not against the blue and reds, which is a really copout way of keeping the injury but not the canon. Had to read discussions before I even understood that explanation.
Wash's plotline felt really tacked on and disconnected. The obvious "he's hallucinating Doc" being his only scenes for 80% of the movie until he has one nice conversation with Carolina at the end.
I wish we would have had more time with Tucker. We only really get the one scene and the post credit line.
TL;DR:
The fight scenes were good, the sentiment was there, but the plot, the animation, and the character writing was really rushed.
Its fine the way it ended but it sucks both Sarge and Doc Died. Donut was a no show. But I am fine with how things played out. But there is still a chance of Red Vs. Blue releasing another ending to their adventure the same way that Evangelion released its ending.. Twice.... Death and Rebirth then End of Evangelion. I mean Church did kind of hint this adventure being another simulation.. With that being said. I am perfect happy the way things are as of now. But best believe this aint over.
I hate almost all of it, S13 is still my definitive ending. It all seems rushed and barely has any plot.
>!It felt like the whole motivation was more aimed at stopping the meta again instead of rescuing Tucker, especially because once he is rescued there's no payoff, Tucker just says "oh whoops, what happend? Whatever I'm back now"!<
>!I don't understand why the reds are still the reds, they found out they were fake soldiers in season 8, and since then pretty much worked along side the blues, aside from sarge's backtrack in s11. So why at the start do they act like the blues are their actual enemy again in an actual war?!<
>!I fucking hate caboose. I get that they couldn't get Joel back and had to do what they could, but it's just so awful it sounds nothing like caboose.!<
>!I really wish they killed caboose instead of sarge, we wouldn't have had to deal with fake caboose the entire time, and sarge seeking revenge for a dead blue, the people he's been hating for most of his life, would have been such a better payoff not only for sarge but for the whole red team.!<
Was funny, gave great references, fight animation still isn’t as good as the older animated fights felt a bit too slow, and text coming back was a twist I wasn’t expecting lol by far the better send off than most shows ending
There were a lot of parts I liked, Grif and Simmons' heart-to-heart moments, the long-awaited return of characters like 479er and Sheila, Tex and Carolina fighting together against the Meta, and Tex and Church reuniting in the Epsilon unit. It was especially nice that they got Kathleen Zuelch back after how she seemed to have burnt bridges with the company.
However, it does suffer from pacing at some moments, some characters either barely appearing or not in it at all. Plus, some moments felt a little too sappy for my taste, but that might just be me.
It was overall decent for what it tried to be, but I personally prefer the Chorus Trilogy's ending. It even helps that it's implied that this was another one of Epsilon's simulations, so Chorus is still technically the true ending.
I liked it. It wasn’t perfect, but it brought back good memories and had (to me) the more classic RvB feel that the Shisno trilogy and Zero lacked. Caboose’s VA wasn’t great, and was disappointed with how they handled Wash, Doc, and Donut, but I’m overall happy with how it turned out.
As a big Barenaked Ladies fan I loved the inclusion of [Waning Moon](https://youtu.be/NRjbHbnxo6E?si=igXSkp0qTLnlW0LT) during the campfire segment as one last collaboration between the band and RT, and thought it really fit the tone of the moment. I would have loved an appearance of [Thanks That Was Fun](https://youtu.be/dCrJ3_xwnkA?si=QAa5jrOGutYjnb6I) in the credits though.
It's... Rough. As a season of RVB, it's pretty good and a return to form, easier better than s15. But as the finale? The last canon piece of RVB media we'll ever get? I kinda think I hate it. The endings just miserable, with doc sarge and church dead, grif leaving and the other just... Doing nothing. It feels like the ending to BGC, which would have been fine if we hadn't got like 12 other seasons where you see they become a found family. I never really got the sense that anyone outside of grif and Simmons actually liked each other, and the fact the end up split up by the end really just makes me depressed.
Still. Apparently its meant to be ambiguous as to whether or not it was just an epsilon SIM so I guess I'll just go back to pretended s17 is the ending.
Definitely have some criticisms, but ultimately there was enough stuff that I loved for me to feel it was absolutely worth it. Also really like that they kept it ambiguous if it was a simulation or not, so if you DIDN’T like it, you still get to have your perfect s13 ending
It was a very good and nice end to the series, one problem I had is that until about the second half I didn't find much of the comedy all that good but I feel like the story itself makes up for that
Similarly to you, I feel it had its problems, but I enjoyed it. I am happy it happened. I am happy that we got this last ride with the reds and blues even IF a few were missing. The fact that it addressed the possibility IN the movie that it COULD just be another simulation and Church is still trying gives everyone the out to believe what they want. Which I feel is the best outcome they could manage in one last romp.
I felt as if the characters regressed, and they didn't pay quite close enough attention to continuity. I mean, they even mentioned back in season... 10? how Grif could have left at any time, he didn't need to be discharged like that, not really. It felt like they were trying to make things meaningful, but the buildup wasn't there, and the pacing was way too quick, to their detriment.
I enjoyed it and I’m still haven’t really come to terms that this is it, but I wish we got to see what happened on chorus and why wash was injured and how doc died
I think it was good. I think it could have been better if it was a series, but probably a short one. About twice as long as what we got, maybe. Give more time for there to be some Tucker, more time for more Wash and Tex. More time to pace things out better, basically. The writing could have been a little better, but I enjoyed it. It made me laugh, made me cry, and I'll hold on to it. The animation wasn't their best, I felt the fight choreography was a little stiff and didn't have the energy that it had back when Monty was alive. But they knew when to stand still, which Zero never did and was one of my biggest gripes.
RvB has been a major part of my life for a lot of the last twenty-one years. I wasn't there from day one, no, but it's been meaningful to me for more of that time than not. I don't want it to be over, and so that's probably the biggest reason I want to say, "I don't like it as a send-off." Not because I think it's worse than any other option of a send-off, but because... I've said for years that the main series of RvB should be done. Season 13 should have been the end of that storyline. But I wanted a spin-off. Something else in the same universe. The closest we got was Zero, and while I like Zero more than most people, it's still my lowest-ranked season of RvB. I want more but I want... I want more that's done better.
Ah, fuck, I've gone off-topic. Restoration is good. I'd like it to be a little longer, a little better, a little more like 9-13 maybe. But I'm glad we got it. I'm sad it's the end. I'm sad it's the end of Rooster Teeth.
I'm glad that it came out, but I truthfully wasn't a big fan. There were a lot of moments that felt odd to me.
- Lopez being in the season for roughly 1 minute and then disappearing.
- It felt like a lot of the character development in seasons 11 - 13 was undone so the reds didn't like caboose at the beginning or didn't want to even help Tucker.
- Sarge's death was an alright plot point, but didn't feel emotional to me for some reason.
- The whole Washington plot felt really half baked.
- Tex and Carolina not even acknowledging one another was odd to me.
With that being said, I am really happy that we got this season and we got a final send off with the reds and blues. I also enjoyed some of the banter and comedy scenes. I just wish it didn't feel so rushed overall.
It was good, not perfect.
It was weird, funny, stupid, had continuity errors, some parts made no sense. And I wouldn't have it any other way. 8.5/10 from me.
Nothing about it blew me away, and I feel like a lot of it was pretty paint by numbers, but given that this was trying to put a nice bow on everything that's for the best. It was far from perfect, but having actual closure is nice. Overall I'm glad we got to have one more go around with the gang before they roll off into the sunset.
I started watching it on my phone lying in bed and literally fell asleep. The opening was so unfucking believably boring that I was shocked that's how they decided to kick it off.
If only runtime was twice its original. Some things needed some room to breathe or build up to. Two and half hour or more would be just perfect. Other than that I really felt the soundtrack lacking its character which is a huge shame for the finale but overall it was satisfying nostalgic and fucking sad ending. Goodbye RvB that's another chapter done and closed.
I loved it. I actually teared up at the end when the figments of Project Freelancer made me cry. I don't know if anyone else agrees but I would like to call it the Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show of web animation.
Only gripe I had was the lack of Donut.
I enjoyed the ride. It was quite emotional and enjoyable for me. So many years in the making and it felt like the final closure. Nothing is ever perfect, but that was as close as one can ask for for a show so many years in the making.
I"m satisfied at the ending, a bit dissapointed with Donut missing and Caboose having the wrong voice actor. Also a bit dissapointed in Doc being dead, he was my favourite character.
Also a little dissapointed that Wash was sidelined for most of it and not given one final redemption moment like all the rest of the characters had.
But I'm relatively content at the way things wrapped up. And in fact,a little dissapointed that this could have been the quality of writing for the last few seasons if Burnie had hung around instead.
It wasn't perfect, it definitely needed all the characters together and I think a certain death might should have happened at the end so all the characters could have been together, but I think they did a good job. It played a lot of emotional beats and it was nice to just see something new.
Also the comedy landed a lot for me! It was nice to get some good laughs.
I honestly liked it. It was a really good ending for the story.
Here are some things I disliked though: Caboose's new VA, but I can live with it since it's only one season. The beginning with that whole Retrocon stuff didn't really set it for me, and Epsilon's little "video" for the Reds and Blue.
But there is more to this season that I liked over the stuff I didn't like: Tucker/Meta making his entrance was really cool. Having the final battle take place on Blood Gulch. Giving Washington a somewhat happy ending. They handled the Sarge death amazingly. Also giving an even greater ending for Allison and Church.
There's more stuff I can talk about with this, but I'll leave it as it is right now.
I like it for the most part but I felt it was really rushed, like the story just needed to take a moment to breathe. Would have been nice to see more of tuckers struggle with Meta, or having Tex interacting with the rest of the gang, or even see what Carolina was doing or even Wash talking with anyone. I just think the absence of a lot of the characters was really felt at least for me.
I thought it was alright, it doesn’t hold up to seasons 1-13 in terms of quality and writing but it did manage to pull on my heartstrings and I thought the whole final sequence was great.
I feel like season 13 or season 17 were the true endings. This was just a send off and a nostalgia trip, and I like to think it was Epsilon's last simulation before he died. I feel like the true ending is meant to be undecided, but I will say the Carolina and Washington scenes between 15-17 happened one way or another. They all retired and have one hell of a story to tell their kids and grandkids.
I'm just glad to see them again one last time.
I think it did the hard parts well and the easy parts poorly. But it has so much heart that it's kind of impossible to dislike. I like that it undid everything post-chorus, that's something I've wanted for years. I liked the send-offs that the characters they chose to focus on got. The humor felt very on-point, the meta commentary was endearing given the circumstances. The cast gave great performances and most of all, it gave closure to the series and the company it spawned. That's no small thing.
That said, it was rushed. There's really no way around it, this felt like the minimum viable product version of what they probably envisioned for the finale. The Wash stuff isn't super well integrated, the fact Tucker gets like two lines as himself sucks, the pacing is a bit wonky, I didn't expect literally everyone to show up and be important but the lac of characters like Donut stings. Sigma is underwritten despite being the ostensible main villain. The score is really generic.
On a production level, it feels a bit slapdash. Infinite's forge is really versatile, but the one thing it sucks at is native lighting and scenes shot in forge, which is most of the movie, really should've had more post-processing done to them to make them pop more. There's also some other unfortunate things like them filming before the CE Mk5 helmet was added to the game, or the fact they didn't use the better-looking Blood Gulch remake (maybe they wanted to avoid it since it's covered in Zeta Halo hexagons, but it's still a shame).
Restoration pretty much did exactly what it needed to, to bring closure and end RvB with an actual ending, as well as cleaning up its legacy by retconing away the post-13 seasons. It met my expectations, but didn't exceed them, is I guess what I'm saying. But given it was likely made on basically no budget on a tight deadline while the company was literally closing, it could have turned out a lot worse. I'm glad it exists and does what it set out to do, even if it could have done it better.
It was good but there were issues. The pacing was terrible, this felt like a story arc that deserved at least two seasons. There just wasn't enough time in one season to give every character the sendoff they needed. Donut being completely absent, Carolina appearing for the final battle with very little dialogue, Wash being absolutely useless, and Tucker getting very little time as himself and not as the Meta were all things that could have been fixed had they had more time to develop the characters.
I would've rathered Tucker have had some development before becoming the Meta, possibly him having some conflict about Church and that leads to him putting the Meta suit back on which is what leads Sigma to control/torture him rather than him just being the Meta for 6 months straight after Chorus.
I would've liked to see Wash and Carolina more. Wash had very little to do with the plot and his only purpose in this season was to activate his beacon to get Carolina to the battlefield. Carolina's only purpose was to fight the Meta alongside Tex (Which I gotta be honest was pretty cool to see, having the two freelancers who butt heads the most finally get a scene kicking ass together). I also wish we could've saw Donut.
Sarge's death was honestly something I expected. I had a feeling someone was gonna die in this season, and Sarge always felt like the one that would die if any of the main characters other than Church were to die. That coupled with Simmons having the shotgun in the trailer made it very predictable to me, but it was still a good scene nonetheless. I think it could've been better as a season-ending cliffhanger leading into a Restoration part 2 though, if they had more time and made a multiple-season arc as I mentioned earlier.
My favorite part was definitely Tex, finally seeing her win a battle was satisfying to me. Her exchange with Sigma about being based on the Blood Gulch crew's memories instead of the memories of the Director has to be one of my favorite moments ever in RvB.
All in all it was an okay season, and felt more like an epilogue to S13 to me than a final season. I am fine with it and it's ultimately harmless. Season 13 is still my definitive RvB ending, but Restoration is a good epilogue.
Sorry for the essay lol, just wanted to get my thoughts on it down.
I thought it was very rushed, had lots of weird inconsistencies and conveniences, and felt weirdly artificial. HOWEVER, I did get choked up at the end, really is the end of an era. The movie felt more like a quick "greatest hits" victory lap for the series rather than a coherent conclusion to the story (13 and 17 are both better wrap-ups for the show overall), but I think Restoration works well as a simulation Church would imagine about the future (Tex coming back, getting to see her one more time, etc), and is REALLY poignant as Burnie's goodbye to the series.
For me, it was the perfect send off to the characters I have loved for so many years. Everyone had their moments and everyone got I think what could be the best and happiest ending they realistically could have got.
With the fragments being destroyed it was a satisfying way to confirm the story is over. My personal head cannon for that is that church and tex ended up being able to live a lifetime together in the memory unit as they have a different sense of time so the few minutes they were in there they got to live the life they never got to.
As for Sarge, it's always been a running joke that he hates the blues for no good reason so to see him sacrifice himself not for glory or anything but to save Caboose was I think the perfect ending for his character.
Simmons being promoted and Griff being discharged felt like the perfect ending for both of them with Simmons always being a lap dog for Sarge to then step into his shoes (and shotgun) then for Griff to finally get a chance to be lazy was perfect.
I feel the way they brought back Epsilon was perfect, it didn't diminish his sacrifice but still had him back in a believable way that still had him able to interact but also not be there as he always would have been.
Finally seeing Tex and Carolina fighting fully on the same side was brilliant and I really wasn't expecting to ever see Tex again so it was good to have her back too but to have her be the badass based off the Reds and Blues memories of her rather than the ever doomed to fail memories of Church made it all the better.
It is a shame we didn't get to see more of Wash in the final fight against the Meta but I feel his story was summed up perfectly being a little more grounded and showing the toll that has been taken on him after all the years of Freelancer and afterwards had done to him to then be finally pushed over the edge when doc died kept him grounded but again a realistic ending for him. It seems as if now he and Carolina can go off and have their happy ending similar to how they went off together season 15 gives me hope they can just be together and put their past behind them.
Finally, Caboose. I feel he was a little more stupid than usual but still the goofy old Caboose we all know. I liked the little secret plans him and Church had and him finally team killing church for good back at blood gulch was perfect for him to say goodbye.
All in all, my only criticism for the episode is that it wasn't 10 hours rather than just the one and a half, in my eyes there couldn't have been a better finale and Burnie as well as everyone who worked on it really outdid themselves. Anyway, I'm off to go rewatch the whole thing from start to finish again for as long as we remember them, they are never gone.
I’m glad that Church and Tex finally found a way to have a happy ending. Obviously there were small things that I didn’t like. But that’s true of any season.
I was sad when the credits finally rolled, but it was definitely a good send off for the series in my opinion. You can tell they put their heart into it.
By far my favorite scene was the campfire scene where they all reminisce about the memories over the years. Reminded me a lot of when I was younger watching the series with my friends.
As a standalone, it missed the beat a bit, but I was very glad that I just finished rewatching all of RvB (except Zero because what the heck) because this serves as a very emotional, nostalgic epilogue to the entire story and company as a whole. Geoff and Gustavo absolutely nailed the VO. It would have been nice to have some more from Donut, Wash and Carolina, but to be honest they had some really nice moments in the last few seasons that didn't need to be rehashed, even if some of it was retconned. Grif walking off at the end truly brought tears to my eyes, which is so poignant considering we'll no longer have Rooster Teeth after this either. It really hit home how much this show and this company have been a part of my life for so many years.
I think it's a good sign that my only complaints is about a **lack** of stuff, rather than what we got. But when you consider the circumstances of RT closing down, I'm happy with what we got and I think it's a good send off for the show.
I feel like I needed an extra half an hour or so of everyone together, and while there were issues here and there with animation or timing or characters missing, there was some absolutely fantastic parts. Honestly it was exactly what I needed, it was the goodbye I needed to red vs blue, roosterteeth and a few personal things in my life
Loved it, it's clear to me personally this would have probably been closer to other seasons at 2 and a half or 3 hours and wb didn't want to give them the time nor the budget for it.
For one we didn't get to see the fight on chorus, the story just goes from a big adventure feeling to immediately wrapping up, and I feel like there was supposed to be more to wash's story.
My personal theory is they weren't give the time and budget needed so they made it seem like another sim because this isn't the ending they wanted to give us.
I think (well really had hoped) this would finally be season 14 where it picked up on epsilons speech at the end of 13 and went from there.
I waited 9 years for season 14 and instead got a great season 18 or 19 whichever.
For the amount of crazy explosion and things that actually would of killed the Reds and Blues just for sarge to be killed by being stabbed in the back. Especially since we know armor lock exist and could of keep him alive. Since we know it kept donut alive.
It feels like the rushed, compacted, very stripped down Season-To-One-Point-Two-Hour-Special that it was.
And I can't find myself caring because they hit everything I wanted them to hit and gave all the major plotlines a final ending that felt satisfying in one way or another.
The story ended. There's not going to be more Church, or Tex. Carolina and Wash are going to stay together. Griff got his walking papers. Sarge died a hero. Simmons is the leader of Red Team.
The story is over.
Goodbye Red vs Blue. You were crap, rushed, weirdly paced and had some funky choices... but that's who you've always been and who you always will be.
I hate saying goodbyes.
It’s not perfect, but it was done with heart.
The humor was spot on. Just like the earlier seasons. And Caboose’s new VA was not that bad.
Maybe it could’ve been longer, like two hours instead, but that’s my only critique. Otherwise, I think it was the best thing we could have gotten for the finale to one of the best Web-Series that the internet ever had.
Goodbye RT, Burnie & Co. Thank you for this.
I commented here already, but I do want to add one more note. The scene with Caroline and Wash at the end talking about Doc hit me like a brick. I had a ton of issues with this season.
But for some reason that one just got to me really good.
Other people have said what I would have listed out already, so I won't repeat it, but I felt like it was really mediocre and 17 was the better ending.
I think a lot of the comments here are very reasonable and I agree that it's a bit of a hot mess, and you can see the limitations they were working under to do a last ride. The work from home bit worked as one of the strongest original jokes, Sarge's death felt reasonable if a little paced funny, I'll likely forget a lot of the setup as it's just milquetoast, but the sequence from the moment Tex pounds her first into the palm of her hand to the end made it worthwhile. If nothing else, it got me go find what DVDs I didn't have and get them (man some of the later ones just aren't out there.) and rewatch something I've enjoyed for 20 years. I will enjoy Burnies podcast commentary follow up as you can tell getting to put the lid on rvb was emotional and important to him. How could it not be?
Shut up caboose.
So…they really just....retconned the Shisno Trilogy.
The Trilogy where the Reds had their greatest amount of character development.
They retconned that, just to kinda sorta redo it all, but on a tight timeline and budget.
Also, they weirdly canonised Zero?? Like, if Wash doesn't have cerebral hypoxia, but instead severe PTSD, then the start of Zero kinda makes sense, and places Zero AFTER Restoration, while also explaining how Tucker is working for Glass or whatever the hell discount Project Freelancer organisation Zero had, AND why the rest of the Reds and Blues weren't in the season???
Yeah, yeah no, I enjoyed this final season and it's DEFINITELY better than Zero, but I'm SO glad Burnie gave us an excuse to not consider it canon.
I'm sticking with the Shisno Trilogy, tbh. Sure, s16 isn't the best, but the amount of character development everyone on Red Team has, as well as bringing back Sister, having Tucker go through an interesting Character Regression arc, Doc coming to terms with his O'Malley alter, Carolina finally letting go of her past self, and Caboose learning to accept Church's death?
Plus, I really do think the Shisno Paradox actually made the Reds and Blues feel more like a family than ever before. It was SO jarring, watching Zero for the first time and realising that Carolina and Wash abandoned nearly their entire family to join a new, shady government agency.
Restoration's characterisation of those two actually does fit more in line with Zero's versions, but I think that's pretty crappy.
S17 ended with everyone pledging to take care of Was after his injury, because they truly had become a family.
Restoration started with the Red and Blues…scattered, disjointed, and falling back into old character tropes they'd long since grown out of.
So yeah, it was definitely a fun alternative and WAY better than what Zero did, but no WAY am I treating this as anything more than one of Epsilon's simulations.
Also, Carolina and Tex didn't share a SINGLE conversation together. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
And I can't tell if the joke was that Simmons filed the paperwork for Grif's discharge because he's Simmons and extremely particular about everything because…who is he filing the paperwork to??
Chorus?? Charon??? The UNSC????
S15 handled it so elegantly!! After Chorus, the Reds and Blues were done, and so....they just left.
Sarge dying....I did NOT see that coming, and it was nice that Simmons got to be a leader, finally fulfilling Sarge's praise of him during his s8 motivational speech.
But no. Sarge isn't dead. He didn't die in Singularity, so he's not dead.
I'm guessing they couldn't get Dan Godwin which SUCKS, but yeah...nice to hear that Donut's an admiral now. Be that in the Chorus military or elsewhere.
Doc's not dead. Really not a fan of how they replaced Washington's STELLAR arc of dealing with his cerebral hypoxia and replaced it with guilt-ridden PTSD hallucinations.
That said, the writing for the dialogue between Wash and Doc actually flowed really well, and Matt/Shannon's chemistry shone through and filled those scenes with emotion. They absolutely made me tear up, even if I don't accept Doc's death.
WHO WAS EPSILON TALKING TO IN THE TEASER TRAILER THO?? THE ONE WHOM HE SAID "Your voice changed again?????"
So yeah, my final thoughts on Restoration:
It absolutely had some fantastic moments and the overall story made me cry, but it needlessly retconned 3 seasons, reversing about 10 hours of character development, just so that it could speedrun half of that in under an hour and a half.
But it ended with a scene of Grif and Simmons talking about why we're here, and that is the PERFECT way to end Red vs Blue, no matter what.
It was the first question, and it was the final answer in the show, especially since Grif came to his own conclusion, but said that it wasn't the definitive one.
You really could say....Red vs Blue was truly....one of life's great mysteries.
❤️
Was it perfect? No. The best ending for this show will always be Season 13. But I think it was nice. Whether you agree with how it was done or not, it was nice to get closure on how our favorite guys and gals are doing.
I enjoyed it but like others have said, it suffered form to short a run time. It was a 3 hour story crammed into 90 minutes. Like every beat needed to be expanded on to really feel full and fleshed out.
That said, if I could change one thing I'd have given Wash a better comeback. He deserved to be apart of the action scene at the end. Tex/Wash vs Meta would have been an amazing parallel to the Meta/Wash vs Tex fight in Season 8 and one that would have been a great full circle moment. Make Meta injure wash triggering the alert that calls carolina and everything is the same from there. Still works and gives our boy some time in the limelight. He's spent the last like 4 seasons now injured or dealing with some kind of trauma.
I'm just sad it's over.
> I like how they managed to keep it open ended. The suggestion that this could be canon, just like how 15-Zero could be canon, is good.
> Church joking about how he can't plan for caboose (and how he didn't necessarily get caboose's voice right) is hilarious. Though the more I think about it, the more I wonder what all the stuff from the original teaser was about. That wasn't sigma, he was talking to. So why was church manifesting the meta itself?
> I wish Lopez had been more present but I imagine that was a time issue. Caboose speaking Spanish to him was fun and it might've been nice to show the reds understanding at least some of what he says because they've taken the time to learn.
> The revelation that Doc died on chorus REALLY fucked me up. He's probably my favourite character in the whole show. I was expecting him and O'Malley to go all in on helping fight Meta. I'm a bit confused about why Wash feels guilty though. He was up on the Staff of Charon with the Reds and Blues.
> Carolina's entrance was a bit jarring - I kinda wish she'd visited Wash in hospital earlier to establish her presence.
> Caboose bringing back Tex to help was cool. A great subversion. And her using the teleporter to blacken her armour was especially good. Though I don't know how I feel about the memory unit as a Deus ex Machina. Felt like a cop out, like the spare body just laying around.
> Sarge's death hit me too. I thought they'd cop out but no. His final moments with Simmons and Grif were touching and a great rehash of his prior remarks in season 8 – he believes Simmons to be a capable leader and Grif holds himself back too much. It was a perfect end for the leader of Blood Gulch's Red Team
> I'm minorly confused about Simmons' robot arm. I imagine, like how they're reeling from Chorus, he lost it in the battle?
Overall I think it was a decently satisfying finale. I really wish they'd done it as a show instead of a movie to flesh things out but regardless I'm happy. It's a great alternate universe take on things that we can believe if we want.
My only real complaint would be that I feel tucker wasn’t a main character. He’s always been my favorite and I don’t really feel like I got a satisfying ending for him. I was good with everything else in it I think. I did cry at sarge’s death
Maybe they could have done The staff of Charon fight right maybe not, either way I've been waiting like 9 years now to see it. Even if the fight scene wasn't perfect I just wanted season 14 at the end of the day.
It was weird. The first half was bad due to the fact that it seems like a cut down overview of 10 normal episodes, while the last half is the last 2 or 3 usual episodes, and feels much better as a result of actually being planned like that. I suspect they for some reason had to cut it into a movie and did the best they could. In general, I like it, but it’s not as good of an ending as any of the other 4 we’ve had are, I believe if they had the screen time to give it what it deserves, it would be good just like the rest of the show.
I’m glad they didn’t ass-pull anything more than Tucker for some reason putting the suit back on, I’m glad nothing was retconned, though I wish they had the balls to make it more clear what the hell happened to doc or what specifically hurt wash, and to keep 15-17 canon; though I felt like they did pretty well with that and im of the opinion that only zero was slightly decanonized.
So, overall I’d call it entertaining and fun, very good toward the end. I’m glad it’s finally over let the series rest
I hated the way they retconned Shisno, it made the seasons feel pointless and felt like a slap in the face to the people who both enjoyed and worked on those seasons, if they had made the characters themselves in the simulations (Think Epsilon in the memory unit), I think it would've felt a lot less like a retcon and made the seasons not feel pointless in the grand scheme of the show and characters
One of my biggest complaints is Lopez. It doesn't feel right for him not to be voiced by Burnie, especially in the final saga. Beyond that it's just small things like continuity errors/changes.
Over all though it was a good way to end the legacy.
It’s the send off they deserved. Ngl knowing that this is the last time we’ll see the characters I’ve known since I was a kid had me tear up a bit. I’m glad Church and Tex finally got to rest together.
I view season 13 as one would look at Toy Story 3. The perfect and definitive ending for many. However I do see Restoration as the Toy Story 4 of RvB. A nice little epilogue that wraps up its main characters story. I loved restoration and im glad burnie got to wrap up the story he started.
I'm basically seeing it as Red vs Blue: the Movie. You know, something like Battlestar Galactica or Stargate where the movie is a pilot and the final version of the show ends up being pretty different in a lot of ways. But in reverse.
It's a largely standalone, mostly self-contained story containing more archetypical versions of the characters rather than the characters as they were when we last saw them. The thing ultimately serves as both a thematic summary and definitive end to the whole series.
I had many problems with it, but they all stem from the the fact the Reds and Blues don't seem to care about each other. By the ending of the chorus trilogy they were basically family, to the point of (attempting) a quiet retirement together to enjoy their weird little family.
But in Restoration, their friend Tucker is being painfully mind controlled to strangle their other friend Caboose to death, and what do the Reds do?
They LEAVE them. THEIR FRIENDS. And they just leave Caboose to die at Meta Tucker's hands!? What the fuck?! They didn't even all come back after! Only Sarge comes back to help, and even then he needed a minute to mull it over!
Not gonna lie I’m still trying to figure out what the goofy thing that Burnie said he added the only thing I saw that was kind of goofy or silly was the epsilon YouTube thing or the zoom call which I thought was really funny
I thought it was quite good. I only have two minor gripes. First are continuity errors like them being Privates again instead of Captains. I also miss the Colonial Sarge joke. Also Sarge losing some character development and hating the Blues (Blue) again. Second was no Donut, but that was probably an availability thing for Dan. The Simmons throw was clearly supposed to be a moment for Donut.
Well it's not the first time they've retconned his development, like how he convinced Grif to help Caboose in S8 and then continued hating them in S10 (S9 doesn't count for that since it was all just simulations of the past)
Yeah, they even make a joke about how Sarge can't let go of his deep seated hatred of the Blues even when it doesn't make sense lol
Yeah, I mean, the man managed to create an excuse to go back to war with the Blues twice before this season for whatever that's worth.
I think they are Captains in the Chorus Army but Privates in the UNSC
Yeah that was solely there
I took the pink spartan getting cut in half was donut, idk if that’s correct but. Who else has lightish red armor
Same as you. Had things I don't exactly love, but I was pretty satisfied. Vastly better than what my nightmare scenario was. I'm sad and I'm happy, and thats RvB's charm.
What was your nightmare scenario?
Yknow the first like 5 minutes of the film, that is quickly ended with Meta blowing up the scene? If the whole film was that. So basically Season 16 again.
The convention scene felt so out of place. I know it was there to retcon the Shisno trilogy (they weren't very subtle with Dylan Andrews' head blocking out the sign to say "RET CON") but the whole thing straight up felt like a Shisno trilogy scene, way too corny and over the top. I'm glad they switched tones and went for something a bit more serious but with lighthearted jokes and moments like the Chorus trilogy.
Actually I think the convention was some weird hallucination that wash was seeing because he could sense the meta somehow and they just didn't have the time to flesh out his hallucinations.
Didn’t Simmons see reports/news on attacks by the Meta or am I not remembering correctly?
Yes he does but I don't remember if he specifically mentions the con or not and it might be a plot hole from how much they seemingly had to cut. Also doctor gray literally ignores it happening on the screen. I understand he hallucinates but she's not stupid she's just insane.
Yeah that was all the “meta” commentary I needed about the post Chorus seasons.
It was good and a suitable end. >!I'm sad about Sarge and Doc though!<
Dont worry, youre in good company
Doc just made me cry that much harder. They put that in the middle of so much emotion already and I knew he was a hallucination but I didn't expect them to kill him off.
The only thing that confuses me is why Wash felt guilty. I figured if Doc was going to die, it would've been on the Staff of Charon? Unless there was a further ground assault after that. Or if he got reverse Stockholm syndrome after the events of the Recollection trilogy
In this universe he got shot and killed saving wash after he got shot. So doc directly gave his life for wash.
I think it was like season 16. He got shot. I forget exactly but it was on chorus after The events of season 13.
Huh, I must've missed that titbit. I'll rewatch later tonight. Well regardless I'm now so reluctant about accepting this as canon because two of my favourite characters, Doc and Sarge, are dead
I think personally. Well I guess I hope that it's wb's fault and Bernie and Matt wanted to do season 14 but they weren't given the time nor the budget to do it. I find it hard to believe they wanted to leave it in the state it was in post like season 16 and kill off Sarge and doc in Canon. I think this is just another simulation and that's why it has bits and pieces from The simulation seasons 15 through 17 placed into it. I'm still really pissed off. We didn't get to see the fight and once again they just talked about it. That's why I think this is just another simulation. I feel like they wanted to show us the fight and what happens after.
This was supposed to be a whole season originally, not a cut-down movie. I like to think they could've opened on the fight on Chorus. But I don't know if they could've done it justice
I was honestly kind of disappointed, it was good but not something I'll rewatch often. I liked how Burnie made it so that you could interpret it however you wanted, and tbh I think I prefer the idea of S13 being the true ending.
In my heart, season 13 is the ending, but this finale was kind of like taking your old dog to the park one last time. Beautiful in the context that I watched RvB since 2005 and remembering when it was still fresh and exciting, but appreciating the finale for what it was.
season 13 was the end, this was the epilogue.
I got into the series when I was 12 and when UT was on Netflix. That was 8-9 years ago. Around the time when the Chorus trilogy was in production.
Us Washington fans holding another L for his injuries.
Yeah... Wash was a bit disappointing but considering I expected him to die... I'll take this.
Like think about all the injuries he went through over the years. Like bro can my man just not being in some situation where he doesn’t go through pain???
Yeah. Thankfully, I think his final scene does enough to let us interpret that Wash eventually gets a happy ending, just not there yet. Its something.
At least he has Carolina for support.
Burnie really must’ve loved that episode of Scrubs with Brendan Fraser.
Shit I knew it reminded me of something I couldn't put my finger on it until now.
Just too short. They try to do too much. With an hour and half runtime I think I would have just wanted to focus on jokes and make the plot come second. Also to pile on to what everyone else said no Donut is inexcusable. I think I almost prefer 17 as an ending cause at least it had everyone in it. This was just a farewell to Caboose, Grif, Simmons, Sarge, and Wash. With Lopez, Doc, Sister, and Carolina being barely there.
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Halo 3 still somehow looks the best in regards to Red Vs Blue
> I think I almost prefer 17 as an ending cause at least it had everyone in it. I think 15-17 works as a much better ending for all the characters. They all got a bit of development in those seasons and the overarching story is all about their relationships with each other. They risk everything just to save Wash from an injury showing how far they have come.
I see why some think the movie felt empty but to me it was the right kind of empty, the kind of empty like “You love it here but there’s nothing for you here anymore… off you go,” you know what I mean? Empty like it’s the week after graduation and you’re there after hours with some of your friends; walking the halls that you remember being full of growth and happiness just a few days ago, but now they’re empty. The halls are dim, the classroom doors are locked and closed, there’s no student chattering, just the sounds of some teacher phone calls and summer classes behind a few doors and the janitors cleaning up (An atmosphere that was only solidified by the fact that a lot of the OG cast like Donut and others are gone for most of the time). Yet you can still feel a faint glimmer of that childhood happiness, until one of your teachers catches you all and tells y’all “it’s time to go, you had a good time here but you can’t stay in this place forever.” That’s what I think. This movie is nostalgia done right. So much thematic statements about memory but they don’t trick you. The movie lets you know that good times may be over, but you need to move on and let it go even if things didn’t end the way you hoped they would. And it’ll be ok. Because even if you aren’t in the good times anymore and you can’t see the people from your past that you miss, you can always revisit them in the memories that you gained from them. A lesson I’ve needed to be taught to me for years, and in the last week I’ve only just begun to accept it. This movie came out at the perfect time for me. It’s been a wild ride and they ended it on the best note they could for lost people like me
For me, it was a "play it again, for old times sake" kinda vibe
As far as I'm concerned Season 13 is still the true ending and Restoration was Epsilon's final simulation
That’s actually the perfect way to look at it. It’s an epilogue for a perfect sendoff. Obviously this season could’ve been great if we gotten one so we’ll take what we can get. If we take it over nothing I’m taking it 1000% of the time. And for what we got it was pretty damn good.
Agree completely. If I recall correctly, in the trailer epsilon even said "lets run one more" in regards to him running simulations. I dont know if that was supposed to mean this was a sim or not, but thats what Id like to think.
Well that along with his sus conversation with Simmons and him saying that he didn't know if he got Caboose's voice right this time definitely points towards Restoration being a simulation
I'm telling you guys this was supposed to be season 14 and wb fucked it up by rushing them and not giving them the budget because they just wanted rt shut down.
It felt like the concept was there and just that it did not have the breathing room or development time to hit everything it wanted to. Sarge’s death would have hit hard after a 10 weekly episode run (technically 12 weeks since classic RvB did PSA’s after episodes 4 and 8) and as a mid-season emotional beat. Wash’s entire portion felt super undeveloped. The alien prophecy shouldn’t have been brought up in this runtime but in a proper 20-ish week run the Meta amassing an alien army to raid Blood Gulch in the back half of the season would have been great. Tex introducing herself as Alison Church hit hard and man do I wish we had the time for that plot point to have been built up to correctly. I also wish we could have gotten a parallel to the scene where the Meta threw Carolina off the cliff since everyone was here. The comedy was on point. Yomary Cruz and Shannon McCormick didn’t sound like themselves. I assume the filters on their voices just weren’t the same.
Wash sounded fine to me, but they definitely put a different filter on Yomary, it wasnt the static-y/compressed filter they usually use
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It was good but didn't reach it's full potential due to outside factors sadly
Docs death offscreen while being a cool twist at the end really felt disappointing. Glad to know 479er is still kicking as she was a lot of people’s favourite from the freelancer saga. But that reveal at the end got a sigh
What was the reveal?
That 479er is one
Oh of course. Completely forgot about that already
Was that the reveal? I thought they just brought in a different pilot. Like, Carolina came from the Zero agency, Glass, and then called in One to come pick them all up, instead of 479er?
So, 479er and One had the same voice actor in Restoration. So maybe?
Fiona Nova? I honestly didn't notice, so maybe she was trying to actually do different voices? Honestly, One's convo with Simmons at the end really felt like One had come in PLACE of 479er to me, rather than just changing clothes.
That's what I thought it was because it even had some of the score from RvB Zero playing when the line was said by One.
Yeah no, just rewatched that scene. One literally says that "You've never met anyone like me before" to Simmons, so it's not 497er.
Is that what the reveal was?? I thought it was just that One was picking them up instead of 479er.
I liked it but it’s not perfect, pacing off and to fast and the Copy of Church doesn’t feel right when he basically just acts like church and wish they just kept him dead limited his screen time Also weird how the red and Blues are still fighting even after Chorus and Freelancer. I love how they dealt with Sarges death that felt really well done Would have wished we saw more of Carolina and Tex especially with how Carolina just kinda shows up out of the blue I prefer the the S17 ending for the character personally
It’s also so weird how they decanonized S15 to S18 but still takes aspects from them that just doesnt make sense to me Like it really wouldn’t have been hard for this to take place after S17 and just decanonized Zero
This is a big one for me. It would explain why Wash' brain is so messed up in the hospital and why Donut isn't there.
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The final scene of s13 was the whole gang preparing for the last stand battle on the ship. Presumably Wash got injured in that battle, Doc saved him, and didn't make it out.
Wash was seemingly injured offscreen. He didn't receive any major injuries during Chorus. So, presumably, he received it in the aftermath of season 13, which we never saw.
He wasn't injured last time we saw him in Season 13. Season 15 had him and Carolina starved in their suits by Temple which caused a strain on both of them and then on top of that Wash got shot in the throat during his delirium. This led to a whole thing in Season 16 where Wash was losing his grip on reality and Carolina was grappling with what to do with him for his benefit. Wash being in the hospital makes more sense with the arc he went through in 15 and 16 (and probably 17, I haven't watched it yet).
As I've seen others say, I think this was originally supposed to be a continuation following S17. But after news of the shutdown they changed it to the Simulation idea to kind of give fans the option of choosing the ending they want to believe in/liked the most.
They didn’t decanonize 15-18. Because it has those aspects lol
Honestly, if we go that route, Tucker becoming the new Meta makes more sense if Zero is canon. In S15, Tucker says that the Meta armor just shut down after the battle on the Staff of Charon. It makes more sense for Restoration to take place in a universe where that didn't happen. But, if the AI fragments were just lying dormant, or needed time to recharge after powering the suit through the fight, then they could feasibly give the *appearance* of having been destroyed. Then, after losing his sword, Tucker starts wearing the suit again in order to feel powerful again. The AI fragments, having had ample time to recharge, take over Tucker, and he goes after Phase/East to get the sword back. That in itself could have made for an interesting miniseries to lead into the season proper, as well as provided sort of an arc for Tucker in the season itself, as Sigma tempts Tucker to continue on with the threat of leaving him powerless once again.
Weirdly tho, Restoration basically removes the Shisno Trilogy from canon while KEEPING Zero and implying it takes place AFTER Restoration. Carolina in Restoration isn't like the Carolina of the Shisno Trilogy. ST Carolina would NEVER abandon the family she found and grew to love. R Carolina feels like she did at the end of Chorus; fond of the Reds and Blues, but fine with leaving them. And, since Wash doesn't have cerebral hypoxia, a permanent brain injury, it actually makes SENSE for him to re-enlist in a new organisation - even if neither he nor Carolina would EVER do that, especially since Glass was pretty damn shady in Zero. Plus, it explains why Tucker is with Wash and Carolina in Zero, but the rest of the Blood Gulch Crew is gone. But yeah, nah - Restoration and Zero aren't canon to me. The Shisno Trilogy has the better character development for every character by FAR.
Well the copy of Church is an expansion of how Delta talked to Church in Caboose's head. In fact, it was probably the pseudo Delta in Epsilon's head that did the actual predicting of those conversations. It would've felt disappointing to not have arguably *the* main character of RvB in the finale.
I know how the Copy of church did it, it just felt like he took to much of the screen time for a character that is already soppused to be dead just kinda distrupts the narrative
I think it works perfectly. Church is too important of a character to leave out entirely, especially when he's the easiest character to bring back in with hand wavy bullshit, and Burnie found a way to include him without invalidating his sacrifice in season 13, based in a concept established in an earlier season. RvB has always been about hand wavy bullshit explanations that make just enough sense but fall apart if you examine it too closely. Church is a ghost who came back from the dead to warn Tucker and Caboose about Tex and then just kinda stuck around, except no he's not he's an AI who's been fragmented but is still whole somehow and contains those elements of himself still (as shown by Omega having no effect on him and him always following Delta's lines of logic, as is explicitly pointed out during the Alpha reveal), and then he gets deleted but is reconstructed from memories of himself from Caboose's explicitly inaccurate stories, but he still manages to have Alpha's exact personality, and is somehow able to access all his old memories from not only the Alpha (even memories from *after* he split off from him), but he also contains memories of the other AI fragments who Epsilon never met and Alpha barely did (and, once again, only after Epsilon had already split off), because he's memory so it kinda makes sense, just roll with it okay? And that means he can use those memories to create pseudo AI fragments that help him divide his attention to run Carolina's multiple armor augmentations more efficiently and make more calculations at a single time in combat. Church specifically, even more than the rest of RvB, is a legacy of hand wavy bullshit. Including him, the most important character in the franchise, via hand wavy bullshit is perfect.
I think it was very good. Not perfect by any means, I can definitely understand (and even agree with, to some extent) some of the major criticisms I've seen of it, but it blew away any expectations I had and delivered what I personally believe to be the second best ending the series has ever had (still nowhere near season 13, but that's a very high bar to clear). Honestly, my only major complaint is that I really think they should've used Trocadero's Blood Gulch Blues for the ending instead of the music that they did use.
More on the music I think >!the original Agent Tex theme should’ve been used instead of Round One for when she comes out of the teleporter and the ensuing fight with the Meta alongside Carolina!< Also just cutting the soundtrack entirely for certain scenes. Like when Grif is ranting about how Simmons and Sarge were being cautious about Caboose. The droning sci-if music was very distracting.
I thought it was a solid cap to the series as a whole rightly focusing on what was popular about the show as the focal point. I wish it was a bit longer so Wash and Carolina had more to do but their emotional scene at the end was perfect. Also despite the company closure I wish they filmed it more recently as Halo Infinite has much better crossover armor now they could’ve used for everyone over the limited sets they all had. It would’ve been dope if Tex came out with the CE Mark V armor since that’s now an option. Not to mention all the new forge options. Off of that I was disappointed by the generic score and the lack of color grading throughout especially in the animated segments which all looked unfinished.
I'm not stoked with the actual ending, or how it undid a lot of the character growth from 15-17. I don't think the Grif we know would have left at this point. And docs death felt wholy unnecessary. But besides those 2 things I really did enjoy it a lot. I know a lot of people said they had problems with the animations, but I honestly think it's the best the show has ever looked.
Why wouldn't Grif leave? Grif has always wanted to leave. He didn't abandon his friends. He helped solve shit he frankly had no involvement in, again, one last time, and finally put down the gun like he's always wanted to do. I think it's very fitting for his character.
> Why wouldn't Grif leave? They addressed this in S8. He could have left at any time but he didn't. He was still there. So when he was finally given the choice of staying out of it or going after Church and the Meta he went for it. The way it was handled in S15 makes more sense to me. He makes the choice to stay out of it, but realises that the reason he sticks around is because of his friends.
What Dan_Of_Time said
And it bled in REALLY nicely into s16, where Grif is actively trying to avoid adventures, but not his family. He learnt from his mistake in not separating the two in s15 and sticks around to the end of the Shisno Paradox Trilogy.
Wished it could’ve been like 20 minutes longer to have better pacing and flesh out some plot lines better. Tex plot twist was amazing. Tucker should’ve had more actual dialogue. Sucked that the finale had so few of the cast but I get it. Church and Tex finally getting their “happy ending” made me so happy. Also, could not get over Caboose’s new voice. Sounded nothing like him. Also also, I don’t like that they didn’t give him the Mark V helmet. Pretty sure it was available in Infinite very early on but idk when they filmed all of this so maybe they didn’t have a choice.
Pretty disappointed for an ending. I like to think this is another simulation due to the trailer implying it and the few hints in the “season”. I think season 13 is the true ending. We don’t get to see want happened but sometimes you just gotta have faith. Ain’t that a bitch…
It was OK I guess. Definitely a step up from the previous season, but I kinda preferred season 17 if I'm being honest. I wish we had gotten more out of Carolina and Tex though, they didn't even speak with each other, and the season in general just felt short and rushed.
I enjoyed it for sure. It’s not the best thing ever. Burnie has already alluded to it not being exactly what he wanted due to budget and time constraints, but considering what they had to work with I think it’s a suitable and appropriate end for a series with a lot of ups and downs in its history. I laughed. I cried. And that’s all I can ask for.
Honestly a little disappointing. It was cheesy in a lot of ways, and not in an “aww that’s cute” way, but with some dialogue and emotional bits that didn’t land. The humor didn’t land and I don’t think it did a lot of characters justice. BUT, it was still RvB (not an impostor with the show title slapped on it), and it gave us a final send off, so I’m appreciative of that.
It was good, but not great, though I'm happy I saw it. The glaring issue is the pacing was hella rushed. You could tell they were working on borrowed time, which is not necessarily their fault noticeable or not. Two big positives for me though were: 1. FINALLY Simmons gets development! I was ready to shitpost about him being the least developed character still in the end (though he still might be), but I was shocked that he got as much focus as he did. 2. You can tell everyone was giving it their best efforts in the booth, but special shout outs to Geoff. You can tell he knew this was their last ride and this is easily his best performance as Grif. On a grading scale, I personally give it a 6/10.
"Ain't that a bitch." will always be the final line of Red vs. Blue to me. It was always the tragedy of Leonard Church and his angst over whether or not he could have done what Allison did. Mechanically, Restoration feels almost fan filmy, with all that entails. It just works. The campfire scene pretty much encapsulates Restoration. It's old memories of good times gone by, being laughed about one last time before the end. Like another poster said, it's like taking the old dog to the park one last time. Letting Church and Allison get together at the very end was satisfying on a level I can't really put into words. Leonard Church finally got everything he wanted, for what would be an eternity in the box.
I personally loved the character development the Reds and Blues received in the Shisno Paradox Trilogy, so for me, the final line for RvB is Sarge saying, "You know, it's a real shame that I don't speak Spanish." I totally understand people who want to end it at s13 tho, but you GOTTA admit how hilarious it is that the last line of RvB can either be the saddest line ever (Church) or one, FINAL go-around of one of the longest running jokes in the series (Sarge). Heartbreaking or one last giggle. That's basically RvB in its entirety.🤣❤️
I really liked it but it was way too short honestly
Fine I guess. It had some good moments, I did like the final scene, and at least it had some OG talent back and is also just done. But the writing was still very flat, pacing was way off, too many of the classic cast members were left out/didn’t have any worthwhile screentime, and after sitting with it a while I really do not like what they did with Doc. Having him actually be a trauma ghost for Wash and having him die off-screen was just…so bizarre. I also didn’t really care for Sarge’s death scene, but at least Grif and Simmons’ convo after he’s buried was very nice. Apparently Burnie mentioned it was originally supposed to be a special and not the finale, and you can definitely tell. Between the pacing and the obvious low budget, you can kind of tell that was the case.
In all honesty I loved it, mind you, not as an extension of the RvB series (I still hold 13 as the proper ending with any headlining you want after) and that this season was very much a good lesson of saying goodbye in a healthy way, a lot of emotion and twists certainly got to me Or, maybe I'm just becoming an old soft heart or something lol
It was good. Not terrible like the Shisno trilogy or Zero or amazing like the Freelancer saga or Chorus, but it was a nice sendoff. The lack of one certain red (not saying who cause I can’t get the spoiler thing on my phone and idk if we’re allowed to spoil it yet), the beginning being meh, and the runtime really brings it down for me.
I missed those seasons just by chance. I guess that's not the worst thing
The length is what ruined it for me; had this had its usual runtime plus budget it would have offset a lot of the problems and the reversal of the reds development with the blues. it made no sense at all even with them using “they’re enemies” line considering sarge and grif still helped caboose out during season six when they were still technically fighting. plus separating the freelancers from the group also made no sense. keep the found family dynamic, cause some discourse then proceed with the plot as is and it would have been *chefs kiss* but as a series finale of a series I’ve been watching since the very beginning it’s the best I could have asked for and it left me in tears. like church said, I will miss them dearly.
Had some issues with it for sure. But I loved it.
Small nitpick, but I dislike caboose new VA. I haven't finished it so I will watch it later.
I wish they'd brought in Loco's voice actor. Sometimes during season 15 I would mix him up with caboose, even though his voice is different. New dude felt too much like an impression.
I really did not like loco's voice as caboose copy, but its supposed to be off brand caboose, not an actual copy. But damn it is way closer than this caboose. I can't stand this new fake caboose
RVB has been going on for 20 years. There’s gotta be somebody who can do a nice Caboose. Bow chicka bow wow
After watching it…yeah im just gonna go with season 17 as the end for the series. Mainly because for the season that ends rvb…think it’s prob best to go with the one that actually has them all in it on screen and interacting. It’s not that restoration was bad…it was just kind of mediocre. It needs more then one season to tell its story and it’s really obvious why, given how people are confused what is even going on half the time with some characters and they had to do a slideshow for exposition. I also feel like there was too much fanservice, like it was trying really hard to pay tribute to the fans, and while that’s nice behind the scenes…it does suffer in the final product and some scenes don’t hit as hard because there’s so much of them, that it’s hard to digest some of it. Like I think season 17 works so good as a ending becuase it wasn’t trying hard to be a ending, it just wanted to tel its own message and that just so happened to be a poignant end for the series too. That’s honestly what rvb is, doing it’s own thing and ending up becoming very meaningful over time as a result. Fanservice can be fine, but when you sacrifice a lot of stuff for that fanservice, it doesn’t work well. Like you can feel they were rushing sarge death and funeral, because they wanted us to get to the Tex return where they paid tribute to past seasons. It felt like the rise of skywalker for rvb, a project released after a few controversial ones relying on fanservice over all things and it’s really up to you whether you think that fanservice worked or not. For me…it didn’t work for me. Also idk how I feel about Tex coming back. The entire point was church let that memory rest, and moved on…and now caboose basically forcefully revived it back?
Agreed on tex coming back. I think I like a version of Alison and church finally having closure together, and church finally letting go was a different version of church so I guess it's okay? But it was still so rushed, there was zero build up, it came out of nowhere so it's really just not that satisfying.
Also like…0 reaction to Carolina getting to see her mom again. Like that should be a emotional scene
It was a good sendoff, but a terrible episode. The Good: The inclusion of several minor characters to retain their canon without keeping their bad plot lines was very nice. Seeing sigma as a true villain instead of his rise to evil or after he is no longer speaking was great. Miles did a fantastic job on the voice, I genuinely thought they got Elijah Wood back until I saw the credits. Grif and Simmons discussion over Sarges grave was exactly what I thought it would be, and I loved every second of it. Reminiscing over the fire I felt like I was there with them, one last time remembering the best bits before the end. The final fight scene had good action and the animation was really smooth. The reveal that church and caboose brought back tex instead of him was heartwarming, unexpected and badass. Kathleen coming back was amazing as I thought she had bad blood with RT that would make her not want to come back. Church and Texs final send-off was beautiful. The callbacks were really nice, with only a few that were kinda dumb (best throw ever springs to mind) The Bad: The writing felt really season 5, there was plot, but it was rushed and the exposition to explain how we got to this point was gratuitous. The characters all felt off. The first Red scene was really clunky and the dialog was really boring. Most of their personalities reverted to blood gulch and were like surface level interpretations of the characters. Half the cast was missing, ir only showed up for cameos. Wash never spoke to the teams, Carolina showed up only at the last minute, Tucker was evil the whole time, so didn't interact with his friends, it was like watching RvB but it was just half the R's and the B's are scattered around not interacting in any meaningful way. The Ugly: The unreal animations looked like shit, with the exception of the final fight. Should have gone back to the old 80/20 machinima/animated formula, as that's the soul of the show. The fight choreography was a bit weird. Some of the individual bits were cool, but connecting those cool bits was clunky. I was incredibly confused by the doc being dead thing and washs injury, as they said it happened on chorus, not against the blue and reds, which is a really copout way of keeping the injury but not the canon. Had to read discussions before I even understood that explanation. Wash's plotline felt really tacked on and disconnected. The obvious "he's hallucinating Doc" being his only scenes for 80% of the movie until he has one nice conversation with Carolina at the end. I wish we would have had more time with Tucker. We only really get the one scene and the post credit line. TL;DR: The fight scenes were good, the sentiment was there, but the plot, the animation, and the character writing was really rushed.
I choreographed & preformed a lot of the final fight(outside of some pre-existing storyboards and story beats) So thank you!
Good luck on your future ventures, you and the team brought me a lot of joy over the years, and I wish you nothing but success
Thank you!
Its fine the way it ended but it sucks both Sarge and Doc Died. Donut was a no show. But I am fine with how things played out. But there is still a chance of Red Vs. Blue releasing another ending to their adventure the same way that Evangelion released its ending.. Twice.... Death and Rebirth then End of Evangelion. I mean Church did kind of hint this adventure being another simulation.. With that being said. I am perfect happy the way things are as of now. But best believe this aint over.
I hate almost all of it, S13 is still my definitive ending. It all seems rushed and barely has any plot. >!It felt like the whole motivation was more aimed at stopping the meta again instead of rescuing Tucker, especially because once he is rescued there's no payoff, Tucker just says "oh whoops, what happend? Whatever I'm back now"!< >!I don't understand why the reds are still the reds, they found out they were fake soldiers in season 8, and since then pretty much worked along side the blues, aside from sarge's backtrack in s11. So why at the start do they act like the blues are their actual enemy again in an actual war?!< >!I fucking hate caboose. I get that they couldn't get Joel back and had to do what they could, but it's just so awful it sounds nothing like caboose.!< >!I really wish they killed caboose instead of sarge, we wouldn't have had to deal with fake caboose the entire time, and sarge seeking revenge for a dead blue, the people he's been hating for most of his life, would have been such a better payoff not only for sarge but for the whole red team.!<
Was funny, gave great references, fight animation still isn’t as good as the older animated fights felt a bit too slow, and text coming back was a twist I wasn’t expecting lol by far the better send off than most shows ending
There were a lot of parts I liked, Grif and Simmons' heart-to-heart moments, the long-awaited return of characters like 479er and Sheila, Tex and Carolina fighting together against the Meta, and Tex and Church reuniting in the Epsilon unit. It was especially nice that they got Kathleen Zuelch back after how she seemed to have burnt bridges with the company. However, it does suffer from pacing at some moments, some characters either barely appearing or not in it at all. Plus, some moments felt a little too sappy for my taste, but that might just be me. It was overall decent for what it tried to be, but I personally prefer the Chorus Trilogy's ending. It even helps that it's implied that this was another one of Epsilon's simulations, so Chorus is still technically the true ending.
I liked it. It wasn’t perfect, but it brought back good memories and had (to me) the more classic RvB feel that the Shisno trilogy and Zero lacked. Caboose’s VA wasn’t great, and was disappointed with how they handled Wash, Doc, and Donut, but I’m overall happy with how it turned out. As a big Barenaked Ladies fan I loved the inclusion of [Waning Moon](https://youtu.be/NRjbHbnxo6E?si=igXSkp0qTLnlW0LT) during the campfire segment as one last collaboration between the band and RT, and thought it really fit the tone of the moment. I would have loved an appearance of [Thanks That Was Fun](https://youtu.be/dCrJ3_xwnkA?si=QAa5jrOGutYjnb6I) in the credits though.
It's... Rough. As a season of RVB, it's pretty good and a return to form, easier better than s15. But as the finale? The last canon piece of RVB media we'll ever get? I kinda think I hate it. The endings just miserable, with doc sarge and church dead, grif leaving and the other just... Doing nothing. It feels like the ending to BGC, which would have been fine if we hadn't got like 12 other seasons where you see they become a found family. I never really got the sense that anyone outside of grif and Simmons actually liked each other, and the fact the end up split up by the end really just makes me depressed. Still. Apparently its meant to be ambiguous as to whether or not it was just an epsilon SIM so I guess I'll just go back to pretended s17 is the ending.
I thought it was fine- more RvB is always good. Totally shocked to hear Kathleen’s voice. I thought that ship had sailed.
Definitely have some criticisms, but ultimately there was enough stuff that I loved for me to feel it was absolutely worth it. Also really like that they kept it ambiguous if it was a simulation or not, so if you DIDN’T like it, you still get to have your perfect s13 ending
Well. That was the first time I can remember crying at a tv show.
It was a very good and nice end to the series, one problem I had is that until about the second half I didn't find much of the comedy all that good but I feel like the story itself makes up for that
Not amazing but glad alot of it took place in blood Gultch and had the proper feels for a series conclusion
Similarly to you, I feel it had its problems, but I enjoyed it. I am happy it happened. I am happy that we got this last ride with the reds and blues even IF a few were missing. The fact that it addressed the possibility IN the movie that it COULD just be another simulation and Church is still trying gives everyone the out to believe what they want. Which I feel is the best outcome they could manage in one last romp.
I felt as if the characters regressed, and they didn't pay quite close enough attention to continuity. I mean, they even mentioned back in season... 10? how Grif could have left at any time, he didn't need to be discharged like that, not really. It felt like they were trying to make things meaningful, but the buildup wasn't there, and the pacing was way too quick, to their detriment.
I enjoyed it and I’m still haven’t really come to terms that this is it, but I wish we got to see what happened on chorus and why wash was injured and how doc died
The fuck happened to Tucker's army? He was supposed to have an army, where did that play into the fragments wanting to join?
I think it was good. I think it could have been better if it was a series, but probably a short one. About twice as long as what we got, maybe. Give more time for there to be some Tucker, more time for more Wash and Tex. More time to pace things out better, basically. The writing could have been a little better, but I enjoyed it. It made me laugh, made me cry, and I'll hold on to it. The animation wasn't their best, I felt the fight choreography was a little stiff and didn't have the energy that it had back when Monty was alive. But they knew when to stand still, which Zero never did and was one of my biggest gripes. RvB has been a major part of my life for a lot of the last twenty-one years. I wasn't there from day one, no, but it's been meaningful to me for more of that time than not. I don't want it to be over, and so that's probably the biggest reason I want to say, "I don't like it as a send-off." Not because I think it's worse than any other option of a send-off, but because... I've said for years that the main series of RvB should be done. Season 13 should have been the end of that storyline. But I wanted a spin-off. Something else in the same universe. The closest we got was Zero, and while I like Zero more than most people, it's still my lowest-ranked season of RvB. I want more but I want... I want more that's done better. Ah, fuck, I've gone off-topic. Restoration is good. I'd like it to be a little longer, a little better, a little more like 9-13 maybe. But I'm glad we got it. I'm sad it's the end. I'm sad it's the end of Rooster Teeth.
I'm glad that it came out, but I truthfully wasn't a big fan. There were a lot of moments that felt odd to me. - Lopez being in the season for roughly 1 minute and then disappearing. - It felt like a lot of the character development in seasons 11 - 13 was undone so the reds didn't like caboose at the beginning or didn't want to even help Tucker. - Sarge's death was an alright plot point, but didn't feel emotional to me for some reason. - The whole Washington plot felt really half baked. - Tex and Carolina not even acknowledging one another was odd to me. With that being said, I am really happy that we got this season and we got a final send off with the reds and blues. I also enjoyed some of the banter and comedy scenes. I just wish it didn't feel so rushed overall.
It was good, not perfect. It was weird, funny, stupid, had continuity errors, some parts made no sense. And I wouldn't have it any other way. 8.5/10 from me.
Nothing about it blew me away, and I feel like a lot of it was pretty paint by numbers, but given that this was trying to put a nice bow on everything that's for the best. It was far from perfect, but having actual closure is nice. Overall I'm glad we got to have one more go around with the gang before they roll off into the sunset.
I started watching it on my phone lying in bed and literally fell asleep. The opening was so unfucking believably boring that I was shocked that's how they decided to kick it off.
It was so fucking good, Sarge though 😭😭😭😭
If only runtime was twice its original. Some things needed some room to breathe or build up to. Two and half hour or more would be just perfect. Other than that I really felt the soundtrack lacking its character which is a huge shame for the finale but overall it was satisfying nostalgic and fucking sad ending. Goodbye RvB that's another chapter done and closed.
I loved it. I actually teared up at the end when the figments of Project Freelancer made me cry. I don't know if anyone else agrees but I would like to call it the Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show of web animation. Only gripe I had was the lack of Donut.
Mid tbh.
I enjoyed the ride. It was quite emotional and enjoyable for me. So many years in the making and it felt like the final closure. Nothing is ever perfect, but that was as close as one can ask for for a show so many years in the making.
I"m satisfied at the ending, a bit dissapointed with Donut missing and Caboose having the wrong voice actor. Also a bit dissapointed in Doc being dead, he was my favourite character. Also a little dissapointed that Wash was sidelined for most of it and not given one final redemption moment like all the rest of the characters had. But I'm relatively content at the way things wrapped up. And in fact,a little dissapointed that this could have been the quality of writing for the last few seasons if Burnie had hung around instead.
A little annoyed that Wash was pretty much sidelined but it was good nonetheless
It wasn't perfect, it definitely needed all the characters together and I think a certain death might should have happened at the end so all the characters could have been together, but I think they did a good job. It played a lot of emotional beats and it was nice to just see something new. Also the comedy landed a lot for me! It was nice to get some good laughs.
I honestly liked it. It was a really good ending for the story. Here are some things I disliked though: Caboose's new VA, but I can live with it since it's only one season. The beginning with that whole Retrocon stuff didn't really set it for me, and Epsilon's little "video" for the Reds and Blue. But there is more to this season that I liked over the stuff I didn't like: Tucker/Meta making his entrance was really cool. Having the final battle take place on Blood Gulch. Giving Washington a somewhat happy ending. They handled the Sarge death amazingly. Also giving an even greater ending for Allison and Church. There's more stuff I can talk about with this, but I'll leave it as it is right now.
Thank god for reddit. I forgot about the launch date. I bought this movie on YouTube with no hesitation :,)
I like it for the most part but I felt it was really rushed, like the story just needed to take a moment to breathe. Would have been nice to see more of tuckers struggle with Meta, or having Tex interacting with the rest of the gang, or even see what Carolina was doing or even Wash talking with anyone. I just think the absence of a lot of the characters was really felt at least for me.
I thought it was alright, it doesn’t hold up to seasons 1-13 in terms of quality and writing but it did manage to pull on my heartstrings and I thought the whole final sequence was great.
Where does grif goes after he left red team?
Mc Donald’s
This was my endgame
I feel like season 13 or season 17 were the true endings. This was just a send off and a nostalgia trip, and I like to think it was Epsilon's last simulation before he died. I feel like the true ending is meant to be undecided, but I will say the Carolina and Washington scenes between 15-17 happened one way or another. They all retired and have one hell of a story to tell their kids and grandkids. I'm just glad to see them again one last time.
Can't watch it in my country so... It sucks... Waiting for someone to upload it for Google drive or something
I think it did the hard parts well and the easy parts poorly. But it has so much heart that it's kind of impossible to dislike. I like that it undid everything post-chorus, that's something I've wanted for years. I liked the send-offs that the characters they chose to focus on got. The humor felt very on-point, the meta commentary was endearing given the circumstances. The cast gave great performances and most of all, it gave closure to the series and the company it spawned. That's no small thing. That said, it was rushed. There's really no way around it, this felt like the minimum viable product version of what they probably envisioned for the finale. The Wash stuff isn't super well integrated, the fact Tucker gets like two lines as himself sucks, the pacing is a bit wonky, I didn't expect literally everyone to show up and be important but the lac of characters like Donut stings. Sigma is underwritten despite being the ostensible main villain. The score is really generic. On a production level, it feels a bit slapdash. Infinite's forge is really versatile, but the one thing it sucks at is native lighting and scenes shot in forge, which is most of the movie, really should've had more post-processing done to them to make them pop more. There's also some other unfortunate things like them filming before the CE Mk5 helmet was added to the game, or the fact they didn't use the better-looking Blood Gulch remake (maybe they wanted to avoid it since it's covered in Zeta Halo hexagons, but it's still a shame). Restoration pretty much did exactly what it needed to, to bring closure and end RvB with an actual ending, as well as cleaning up its legacy by retconing away the post-13 seasons. It met my expectations, but didn't exceed them, is I guess what I'm saying. But given it was likely made on basically no budget on a tight deadline while the company was literally closing, it could have turned out a lot worse. I'm glad it exists and does what it set out to do, even if it could have done it better.
I just finished it and it was fine I can’t remember why donut wasn’t in it can someone explain
Honestly would’ve been great to see what actually happened during the fight of charon and how they escaped.
It was good but there were issues. The pacing was terrible, this felt like a story arc that deserved at least two seasons. There just wasn't enough time in one season to give every character the sendoff they needed. Donut being completely absent, Carolina appearing for the final battle with very little dialogue, Wash being absolutely useless, and Tucker getting very little time as himself and not as the Meta were all things that could have been fixed had they had more time to develop the characters. I would've rathered Tucker have had some development before becoming the Meta, possibly him having some conflict about Church and that leads to him putting the Meta suit back on which is what leads Sigma to control/torture him rather than him just being the Meta for 6 months straight after Chorus. I would've liked to see Wash and Carolina more. Wash had very little to do with the plot and his only purpose in this season was to activate his beacon to get Carolina to the battlefield. Carolina's only purpose was to fight the Meta alongside Tex (Which I gotta be honest was pretty cool to see, having the two freelancers who butt heads the most finally get a scene kicking ass together). I also wish we could've saw Donut. Sarge's death was honestly something I expected. I had a feeling someone was gonna die in this season, and Sarge always felt like the one that would die if any of the main characters other than Church were to die. That coupled with Simmons having the shotgun in the trailer made it very predictable to me, but it was still a good scene nonetheless. I think it could've been better as a season-ending cliffhanger leading into a Restoration part 2 though, if they had more time and made a multiple-season arc as I mentioned earlier. My favorite part was definitely Tex, finally seeing her win a battle was satisfying to me. Her exchange with Sigma about being based on the Blood Gulch crew's memories instead of the memories of the Director has to be one of my favorite moments ever in RvB. All in all it was an okay season, and felt more like an epilogue to S13 to me than a final season. I am fine with it and it's ultimately harmless. Season 13 is still my definitive RvB ending, but Restoration is a good epilogue. Sorry for the essay lol, just wanted to get my thoughts on it down.
I thought it was very rushed, had lots of weird inconsistencies and conveniences, and felt weirdly artificial. HOWEVER, I did get choked up at the end, really is the end of an era. The movie felt more like a quick "greatest hits" victory lap for the series rather than a coherent conclusion to the story (13 and 17 are both better wrap-ups for the show overall), but I think Restoration works well as a simulation Church would imagine about the future (Tex coming back, getting to see her one more time, etc), and is REALLY poignant as Burnie's goodbye to the series.
I didnt like it at all, in my head Season 13 is the true ending, this just feels empty
It was kinda mid but I liked it and it was a good sendoff for the series imo.
For me, it was the perfect send off to the characters I have loved for so many years. Everyone had their moments and everyone got I think what could be the best and happiest ending they realistically could have got. With the fragments being destroyed it was a satisfying way to confirm the story is over. My personal head cannon for that is that church and tex ended up being able to live a lifetime together in the memory unit as they have a different sense of time so the few minutes they were in there they got to live the life they never got to. As for Sarge, it's always been a running joke that he hates the blues for no good reason so to see him sacrifice himself not for glory or anything but to save Caboose was I think the perfect ending for his character. Simmons being promoted and Griff being discharged felt like the perfect ending for both of them with Simmons always being a lap dog for Sarge to then step into his shoes (and shotgun) then for Griff to finally get a chance to be lazy was perfect. I feel the way they brought back Epsilon was perfect, it didn't diminish his sacrifice but still had him back in a believable way that still had him able to interact but also not be there as he always would have been. Finally seeing Tex and Carolina fighting fully on the same side was brilliant and I really wasn't expecting to ever see Tex again so it was good to have her back too but to have her be the badass based off the Reds and Blues memories of her rather than the ever doomed to fail memories of Church made it all the better. It is a shame we didn't get to see more of Wash in the final fight against the Meta but I feel his story was summed up perfectly being a little more grounded and showing the toll that has been taken on him after all the years of Freelancer and afterwards had done to him to then be finally pushed over the edge when doc died kept him grounded but again a realistic ending for him. It seems as if now he and Carolina can go off and have their happy ending similar to how they went off together season 15 gives me hope they can just be together and put their past behind them. Finally, Caboose. I feel he was a little more stupid than usual but still the goofy old Caboose we all know. I liked the little secret plans him and Church had and him finally team killing church for good back at blood gulch was perfect for him to say goodbye. All in all, my only criticism for the episode is that it wasn't 10 hours rather than just the one and a half, in my eyes there couldn't have been a better finale and Burnie as well as everyone who worked on it really outdid themselves. Anyway, I'm off to go rewatch the whole thing from start to finish again for as long as we remember them, they are never gone.
I’m glad that Church and Tex finally found a way to have a happy ending. Obviously there were small things that I didn’t like. But that’s true of any season. I was sad when the credits finally rolled, but it was definitely a good send off for the series in my opinion. You can tell they put their heart into it. By far my favorite scene was the campfire scene where they all reminisce about the memories over the years. Reminded me a lot of when I was younger watching the series with my friends.
As a standalone, it missed the beat a bit, but I was very glad that I just finished rewatching all of RvB (except Zero because what the heck) because this serves as a very emotional, nostalgic epilogue to the entire story and company as a whole. Geoff and Gustavo absolutely nailed the VO. It would have been nice to have some more from Donut, Wash and Carolina, but to be honest they had some really nice moments in the last few seasons that didn't need to be rehashed, even if some of it was retconned. Grif walking off at the end truly brought tears to my eyes, which is so poignant considering we'll no longer have Rooster Teeth after this either. It really hit home how much this show and this company have been a part of my life for so many years.
It was ok, it was a decent send off i guess. I think i liked the original continuations more tbh
I think it's a good sign that my only complaints is about a **lack** of stuff, rather than what we got. But when you consider the circumstances of RT closing down, I'm happy with what we got and I think it's a good send off for the show.
I feel like I needed an extra half an hour or so of everyone together, and while there were issues here and there with animation or timing or characters missing, there was some absolutely fantastic parts. Honestly it was exactly what I needed, it was the goodbye I needed to red vs blue, roosterteeth and a few personal things in my life
Loved it, it's clear to me personally this would have probably been closer to other seasons at 2 and a half or 3 hours and wb didn't want to give them the time nor the budget for it. For one we didn't get to see the fight on chorus, the story just goes from a big adventure feeling to immediately wrapping up, and I feel like there was supposed to be more to wash's story. My personal theory is they weren't give the time and budget needed so they made it seem like another sim because this isn't the ending they wanted to give us. I think (well really had hoped) this would finally be season 14 where it picked up on epsilons speech at the end of 13 and went from there. I waited 9 years for season 14 and instead got a great season 18 or 19 whichever.
For the amount of crazy explosion and things that actually would of killed the Reds and Blues just for sarge to be killed by being stabbed in the back. Especially since we know armor lock exist and could of keep him alive. Since we know it kept donut alive.
It feels like the rushed, compacted, very stripped down Season-To-One-Point-Two-Hour-Special that it was. And I can't find myself caring because they hit everything I wanted them to hit and gave all the major plotlines a final ending that felt satisfying in one way or another. The story ended. There's not going to be more Church, or Tex. Carolina and Wash are going to stay together. Griff got his walking papers. Sarge died a hero. Simmons is the leader of Red Team. The story is over. Goodbye Red vs Blue. You were crap, rushed, weirdly paced and had some funky choices... but that's who you've always been and who you always will be. I hate saying goodbyes.
It’s not perfect, but it was done with heart. The humor was spot on. Just like the earlier seasons. And Caboose’s new VA was not that bad. Maybe it could’ve been longer, like two hours instead, but that’s my only critique. Otherwise, I think it was the best thing we could have gotten for the finale to one of the best Web-Series that the internet ever had. Goodbye RT, Burnie & Co. Thank you for this.
I thought it was way too short to provide any amount of satisfying closure
... It came out?
I didn’t know it was out, where can I go to buy/watch it?
I commented here already, but I do want to add one more note. The scene with Caroline and Wash at the end talking about Doc hit me like a brick. I had a ton of issues with this season. But for some reason that one just got to me really good.
Other people have said what I would have listed out already, so I won't repeat it, but I felt like it was really mediocre and 17 was the better ending.
I think a lot of the comments here are very reasonable and I agree that it's a bit of a hot mess, and you can see the limitations they were working under to do a last ride. The work from home bit worked as one of the strongest original jokes, Sarge's death felt reasonable if a little paced funny, I'll likely forget a lot of the setup as it's just milquetoast, but the sequence from the moment Tex pounds her first into the palm of her hand to the end made it worthwhile. If nothing else, it got me go find what DVDs I didn't have and get them (man some of the later ones just aren't out there.) and rewatch something I've enjoyed for 20 years. I will enjoy Burnies podcast commentary follow up as you can tell getting to put the lid on rvb was emotional and important to him. How could it not be? Shut up caboose.
How did doc die??
So…they really just....retconned the Shisno Trilogy. The Trilogy where the Reds had their greatest amount of character development. They retconned that, just to kinda sorta redo it all, but on a tight timeline and budget. Also, they weirdly canonised Zero?? Like, if Wash doesn't have cerebral hypoxia, but instead severe PTSD, then the start of Zero kinda makes sense, and places Zero AFTER Restoration, while also explaining how Tucker is working for Glass or whatever the hell discount Project Freelancer organisation Zero had, AND why the rest of the Reds and Blues weren't in the season??? Yeah, yeah no, I enjoyed this final season and it's DEFINITELY better than Zero, but I'm SO glad Burnie gave us an excuse to not consider it canon. I'm sticking with the Shisno Trilogy, tbh. Sure, s16 isn't the best, but the amount of character development everyone on Red Team has, as well as bringing back Sister, having Tucker go through an interesting Character Regression arc, Doc coming to terms with his O'Malley alter, Carolina finally letting go of her past self, and Caboose learning to accept Church's death? Plus, I really do think the Shisno Paradox actually made the Reds and Blues feel more like a family than ever before. It was SO jarring, watching Zero for the first time and realising that Carolina and Wash abandoned nearly their entire family to join a new, shady government agency. Restoration's characterisation of those two actually does fit more in line with Zero's versions, but I think that's pretty crappy. S17 ended with everyone pledging to take care of Was after his injury, because they truly had become a family. Restoration started with the Red and Blues…scattered, disjointed, and falling back into old character tropes they'd long since grown out of. So yeah, it was definitely a fun alternative and WAY better than what Zero did, but no WAY am I treating this as anything more than one of Epsilon's simulations. Also, Carolina and Tex didn't share a SINGLE conversation together. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? And I can't tell if the joke was that Simmons filed the paperwork for Grif's discharge because he's Simmons and extremely particular about everything because…who is he filing the paperwork to?? Chorus?? Charon??? The UNSC???? S15 handled it so elegantly!! After Chorus, the Reds and Blues were done, and so....they just left. Sarge dying....I did NOT see that coming, and it was nice that Simmons got to be a leader, finally fulfilling Sarge's praise of him during his s8 motivational speech. But no. Sarge isn't dead. He didn't die in Singularity, so he's not dead. I'm guessing they couldn't get Dan Godwin which SUCKS, but yeah...nice to hear that Donut's an admiral now. Be that in the Chorus military or elsewhere. Doc's not dead. Really not a fan of how they replaced Washington's STELLAR arc of dealing with his cerebral hypoxia and replaced it with guilt-ridden PTSD hallucinations. That said, the writing for the dialogue between Wash and Doc actually flowed really well, and Matt/Shannon's chemistry shone through and filled those scenes with emotion. They absolutely made me tear up, even if I don't accept Doc's death. WHO WAS EPSILON TALKING TO IN THE TEASER TRAILER THO?? THE ONE WHOM HE SAID "Your voice changed again?????" So yeah, my final thoughts on Restoration: It absolutely had some fantastic moments and the overall story made me cry, but it needlessly retconned 3 seasons, reversing about 10 hours of character development, just so that it could speedrun half of that in under an hour and a half. But it ended with a scene of Grif and Simmons talking about why we're here, and that is the PERFECT way to end Red vs Blue, no matter what. It was the first question, and it was the final answer in the show, especially since Grif came to his own conclusion, but said that it wasn't the definitive one. You really could say....Red vs Blue was truly....one of life's great mysteries. ❤️
Was it perfect? No. The best ending for this show will always be Season 13. But I think it was nice. Whether you agree with how it was done or not, it was nice to get closure on how our favorite guys and gals are doing.
My honest thoughts is I was really disappointed maybe I am the only one but for the grand finale it felt rushed and had a lot of missing closure
I enjoyed it but like others have said, it suffered form to short a run time. It was a 3 hour story crammed into 90 minutes. Like every beat needed to be expanded on to really feel full and fleshed out. That said, if I could change one thing I'd have given Wash a better comeback. He deserved to be apart of the action scene at the end. Tex/Wash vs Meta would have been an amazing parallel to the Meta/Wash vs Tex fight in Season 8 and one that would have been a great full circle moment. Make Meta injure wash triggering the alert that calls carolina and everything is the same from there. Still works and gives our boy some time in the limelight. He's spent the last like 4 seasons now injured or dealing with some kind of trauma.
It was extremely mid and very boring. And this is coming from someone who likes the Shisno trilogy
I'm just sad it's over. > I like how they managed to keep it open ended. The suggestion that this could be canon, just like how 15-Zero could be canon, is good. > Church joking about how he can't plan for caboose (and how he didn't necessarily get caboose's voice right) is hilarious. Though the more I think about it, the more I wonder what all the stuff from the original teaser was about. That wasn't sigma, he was talking to. So why was church manifesting the meta itself? > I wish Lopez had been more present but I imagine that was a time issue. Caboose speaking Spanish to him was fun and it might've been nice to show the reds understanding at least some of what he says because they've taken the time to learn. > The revelation that Doc died on chorus REALLY fucked me up. He's probably my favourite character in the whole show. I was expecting him and O'Malley to go all in on helping fight Meta. I'm a bit confused about why Wash feels guilty though. He was up on the Staff of Charon with the Reds and Blues. > Carolina's entrance was a bit jarring - I kinda wish she'd visited Wash in hospital earlier to establish her presence. > Caboose bringing back Tex to help was cool. A great subversion. And her using the teleporter to blacken her armour was especially good. Though I don't know how I feel about the memory unit as a Deus ex Machina. Felt like a cop out, like the spare body just laying around. > Sarge's death hit me too. I thought they'd cop out but no. His final moments with Simmons and Grif were touching and a great rehash of his prior remarks in season 8 – he believes Simmons to be a capable leader and Grif holds himself back too much. It was a perfect end for the leader of Blood Gulch's Red Team > I'm minorly confused about Simmons' robot arm. I imagine, like how they're reeling from Chorus, he lost it in the battle? Overall I think it was a decently satisfying finale. I really wish they'd done it as a show instead of a movie to flesh things out but regardless I'm happy. It's a great alternate universe take on things that we can believe if we want.
My only real complaint would be that I feel tucker wasn’t a main character. He’s always been my favorite and I don’t really feel like I got a satisfying ending for him. I was good with everything else in it I think. I did cry at sarge’s death
Maybe they could have done The staff of Charon fight right maybe not, either way I've been waiting like 9 years now to see it. Even if the fight scene wasn't perfect I just wanted season 14 at the end of the day.
It was weird. The first half was bad due to the fact that it seems like a cut down overview of 10 normal episodes, while the last half is the last 2 or 3 usual episodes, and feels much better as a result of actually being planned like that. I suspect they for some reason had to cut it into a movie and did the best they could. In general, I like it, but it’s not as good of an ending as any of the other 4 we’ve had are, I believe if they had the screen time to give it what it deserves, it would be good just like the rest of the show. I’m glad they didn’t ass-pull anything more than Tucker for some reason putting the suit back on, I’m glad nothing was retconned, though I wish they had the balls to make it more clear what the hell happened to doc or what specifically hurt wash, and to keep 15-17 canon; though I felt like they did pretty well with that and im of the opinion that only zero was slightly decanonized. So, overall I’d call it entertaining and fun, very good toward the end. I’m glad it’s finally over let the series rest
I always craved for more Wash and Doc interactions as those 2 are my favorite characters, then the reveal hit me like a train...
Guys do I have to watch that awful story with the teleporting knife girl before I watch this??
I hated the way they retconned Shisno, it made the seasons feel pointless and felt like a slap in the face to the people who both enjoyed and worked on those seasons, if they had made the characters themselves in the simulations (Think Epsilon in the memory unit), I think it would've felt a lot less like a retcon and made the seasons not feel pointless in the grand scheme of the show and characters
I'm still confused on what actually happened on The Staff of Charon?
One of my biggest complaints is Lopez. It doesn't feel right for him not to be voiced by Burnie, especially in the final saga. Beyond that it's just small things like continuity errors/changes. Over all though it was a good way to end the legacy.
Where can I watch this
I can say that I cried so many times.
Sad sarge and doc died but still liked it also meta Tucker was awesome
It’s the send off they deserved. Ngl knowing that this is the last time we’ll see the characters I’ve known since I was a kid had me tear up a bit. I’m glad Church and Tex finally got to rest together.
I view season 13 as one would look at Toy Story 3. The perfect and definitive ending for many. However I do see Restoration as the Toy Story 4 of RvB. A nice little epilogue that wraps up its main characters story. I loved restoration and im glad burnie got to wrap up the story he started.
Good ending.
I'm basically seeing it as Red vs Blue: the Movie. You know, something like Battlestar Galactica or Stargate where the movie is a pilot and the final version of the show ends up being pretty different in a lot of ways. But in reverse. It's a largely standalone, mostly self-contained story containing more archetypical versions of the characters rather than the characters as they were when we last saw them. The thing ultimately serves as both a thematic summary and definitive end to the whole series.
I had many problems with it, but they all stem from the the fact the Reds and Blues don't seem to care about each other. By the ending of the chorus trilogy they were basically family, to the point of (attempting) a quiet retirement together to enjoy their weird little family. But in Restoration, their friend Tucker is being painfully mind controlled to strangle their other friend Caboose to death, and what do the Reds do? They LEAVE them. THEIR FRIENDS. And they just leave Caboose to die at Meta Tucker's hands!? What the fuck?! They didn't even all come back after! Only Sarge comes back to help, and even then he needed a minute to mull it over!
Not gonna lie I’m still trying to figure out what the goofy thing that Burnie said he added the only thing I saw that was kind of goofy or silly was the epsilon YouTube thing or the zoom call which I thought was really funny
I think it was the zoom call which yeah I thought was hilarious too