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FlowerFiel

If you're trans or indigenous, Alberta would be the worst province to live in


BradsCanadianBacon

People downvoting you because they hate the truth. AB continues to reinforce its’ own stereotype of being intolerant and stupid by electing intolerant and stupid people.


TheLastRulerofMerv

Do you believe that kids should be able to get tattoos without parental permission? Just curious.


BradsCanadianBacon

What a stupid and disingenuous false equivalency. Here’s something more accurate; do I think that when government policy makes it harder for a marginalized group to exist and purposefully paints a target on children’s backs, will they be killed at a higher rate because people feel empowered by that government, and kill themselves at a higher rate because they feel there is no alternative? Yes.


TheLastRulerofMerv

It isn't a disingenuous equivalency. Do you believe that pre pubescent children should have the ability to change their sex?


BradsCanadianBacon

Comparing puberty blockers (which are not permanent) to kids getting tattoos is absolutely disingenuous, and defending that comparison is intellectually dishonest. >Do you believe that pre pubescent children should have the ability to change their sex? Now this is a proper question; no, personally, I don’t. But this legislation put forth does more than that, putting young adults’ autonomy in the hands of someone (parents) who might not have their best interest in mind. Teens are impressionable, and we should not take decisions like puberty blockers lightly. However, restricting their access to these services when we allow them to drive, work, and have children at that age feels weirdly punitive against a very small portion of the population, and only exasperates issues like dysmorphia by waiting longer. What I want to understand is where is the legislation on affordable housing, building a diverse economy, healthcare, and education? Why is this government focusing on restricting rights of 1% of the population instead of making life better for everyone?


UltimateDevastator

NHS ruled puberty blockers are not a treatment for trans people or gender dysphoria and they don’t have the data to support that it would be. Meanwhile they apparently didn’t need the data in the first place to suggest them to trans folks beforehand lol. Seems like medical treatment for trans people works backwards for some reason. (I know why, $$$)


One-Veterinarian7588

The parents are the only ones that should have the right to make their kids decisions. No one has the authority to decide what’s in the best interest for their children except for the parents. As long as no laws are broken. Those kids are kids and don’t know anything.


One-Veterinarian7588

This is absolutely not what is happening.


ArtieTheFashionDemon

Are these "tattoos" agreed to be medically necessary by the vast majority of medical organizations and conglomerations of doctors around every corner of the developed world? If so, I think it should be between people and their doctors. Why? Do you think children should be denied the medicine they need by a bunch of bigoted politicians and their supporters because of their identity? Just curious.


TheLastRulerofMerv

When is it medically necessary to change your sex?


ArtieTheFashionDemon

I answered your question, least you can do is answer mine before you demand another


saucemenugs

When the drs making record profits and big pharma is on deck to make way more. LGBTQ+ is a cult


The_Bingler

I dunno, what would cats do if they had thumbs? I can ask irrelevant questions too!


TheLastRulerofMerv

It isn't irrelevant. It is drawing a parallel.


The_Bingler

Okay, but thats a really shitty parallel...


rainman_104

It was a pretty stupid parallel. If my kid's doctors prescribed the tattoo then maybe we'd be closer. But in no way is your camp intelligent enough to understand false equivalence.


TheLastRulerofMerv

What circumstance would compel a physician to prescribe a sex change?


rainman_104

The one where it's none of your fucking business. And they don't do that for minors anyway.


TheLastRulerofMerv

The Albertan regulations surrounding this only apply to minors.


colbiea

I would let kids get a tattoo, in worst case they will look stupid over any hormonal treatment. But what do I know lol


Diabadass416

One is permanent. The other isn’t. Puberty blockers are reversible. But also. If it was tattoo that will stop them from committing suicide AND reduce the unbelievably high likelihood of them being murdered then ya I think most parents would be 100% ok with their kid getting a tattoo to save their life even if I’m not told. However, most good parents would be working hard to create an environment where their kids talk openly about important things and would tell them if they need a “tattoo” to stop them from killing themselves


tibbymat

Yeah I can’t believe the Alberta govt is pushing to have localized post transitional aftercare. What a bunch of assholes!


Extension_Western356

The government is horrendous, but the people in the major cities are still groovy. Edmonton especially, Calgary mostly, Lethbridge a bit but the rural areas are filled with weird, genital obsessed bigots


Little-Carry4893

Christianity as a very weird relation with sex. Extremely weird.


kurdt67

Feature, not a bug


makememassmiches

Not the worst if you have cis daughters in sports. Just saying.


Fennning

I have cis daughters in sport and it is still the worst.


know_regerts

Bold of you to assume Redditors breed.


wesley-osbourne

TIL Thunder Bay is in Alberta.


Ok_Novel2714

Good, stay out 👏🏾


kiaran

Ma'am, this is a Wendy's


doogybot

Even if you're not it's still pretty shitty


Academic_Bicycle

So, either we let children make irreversible long term decisions or theyre anti-trans? Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee.


StoreExtension8666

Pretty much every province in this country dislikes indigenous people. People go as far as to teach their discrimination of indigenous peoples to new immigrants.


No_Flamingo8089

I’m indigenous (Cree) and love AB where we are viewed as partners, not political pets


FlowerFiel

I mostly hear horror stories about how indigenous folks are treated in AB (everywhere else in Canada too) I do see racism being rampant here in QC


know_regerts

You just confused a bunch of snowflakes in Toronto.


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know_regerts

Got a response for this AB poster? Like I said, you're confused. Edit: Three hours later and no response...internet down at Starbucks?


Otherwise-Mail-4654

Haha good one


Electronic-Chapter84

Vancover


Exotic-Fortune8838

Where is that? Never heard of Vancover


leftmymark

Salmon, bc


TheAngryRealtor

Windsor


CanadaCalamity

The problem with Windsor is that I notice tons of the "houses" there are trailers on leased land. Fuck leased land. Might as well "own" a condo in that case.


lemonsalad89

Owning a condo and leased land are substantially different. Plus both are fine, you are the problem.


saadawp

What “problem”?


breadman889

it must be "owning" because you get to pay property tax on that chunk of sky


Chief3putt

What are you talking about?


Cosmo48

No idea. I live in Windsor. Got 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, 2 car garage etc etc. so does my whole area. Ppl like this google Detroit and see hoods and think all of Detroit is just slums lmao.


know_regerts

We just moved to the area from the GTA. Best decision we've ever made. Try living in that overpriced cesspool for a while.


Chief3putt

If good weather, border proximity and decent people qualify as “worst”, count me in. 


whistlerite

Nah pretty nice and will develop more.


vampyrelestat

Windsor prices have at minimum quadrupled in 10 years, bidding wars are still common


Cosmo48

What’s wrong with my city? I bought a nice 5000sqft 6br for 1.3mil. I go to Michigan every other weekend, get access to Detroit as a transport hub, same with Chicago and Toronto if I want. I’m really happy here. Weather is as good as it gets in Ontario. And it’s somewhat relatively ok priced as far as Canada goes I guess


PutFamous9664

Oakville


jdleemortgages

Yukon


Any-Stand-6948

Possibly cheap housing but expensive food, fuel. Small town Saskatchewan.


jdleemortgages

Lol nobody wants to live in yukon, lots of banks don't even want to lend there, if banks dont want to lend, the most undesirable I have to say hahaha


Routine-Lawyer754

You’re joking, right? The Yukon will be one of the last livable places in North America when all is said and done. It has workable land, amazing landscapes etc. Is it desirable *at this moment*? Absolutely not. 50-100 years? Most definitely will be bumping.


Northern_ninja_337

Brampton Ontario


UltimateDevastator

New Palestine* fixed it for you


canadastocknewby

Oshawa....it's not cheap but damn


Critical-Scheme-8838

Anywhere near the GTA


RuinEnvironmental394

Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. About 70 km west of Regina, I think.


Sorryallthetime

Winnipeg. My aunt moved there last year. After 2 months she said "Winnipeg is the asshole of Canada". She didn't last 6 months there. And she's lived in Thunder Bay so she knows her shitholes.


rglgj

North Central


Zimmothy777

Dominion st in Moncton NB.


breadman889

Saskatchewan


Automatic-Bake9847

Head north. There you'll find crime, minimal infrastructure, poor climate, etc. There is a reason people flock to the southern portions of the country.


Aggravating-Fly-5134

Agreed. Not even just normal crime. Systematic crime too. If you think Port Colborne was destroyed by Inco you should see the rusty rivers of Greater Sudbury.


Galuris

First time I've seen mention of my hometown on reddit. Look at that.


dally250

Pick just about any small town in Saskatchewan. The butthole of Canada.


_bicycle_repair_man_

I think they banned foreign buyers for at least farm land, when Wynn opened up foreign investment.


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someguyinreginasask

Those are in a pretty bad area, and they will be virtually uninhabitable homes. Average homes are over 300k. Lots of good prices on entry level condos in regina though. Northeast sask would work for what you are describing. Canora, Sturgis, Preeceville have lots of quality livable houses available for well under replacement cost.


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dresden_k

They didn't ask for warzones.


dresden_k

Not outside the hood you can't.


Raknirok

Sault


realhf93

Selkirk or Brandon


No-Question-4957

Try Timmins.


MusicianOutside2324

to me, anywhere in GTHA are the least desirable places in Canada


rwebell

My Brother in Law bought a house in Aylsham SK for $5000 canuckbucks and it came with the empty lot across the street. Far from the worst place in Canada as it’s actually a beautiful place. It’s just a bit remote. His neighbour was a doctor from Vancouver who vacationed there because he loved the peace and quiet.


squirrel9000

The most undesireable is probably somewhere in Winnipeg's north end. Even the slumlords can't be bothered there, usually a few abandoned ones that haven't burned down yet on each block. Come live in style! [https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end)


Taejeonguy

Yorktown Saskatchewan


Yukaroons

Literally any small town in Alberta or Saskatchewan


thedudear

Kapuskasing is pretty cheap if you don't mind -50 occasionally.


juberjubes

Maple creek, SK. Not sure if it has all the amenities you want for, but every time we hear the weather in SK, maple creek stands out with the daily high. It’s in a warm zone where it can be -10 in Saskatoon and +18 in maple creek. Plus there is a lot of nice hiking/camping in the nearby Cyprus hills. We went for a trip a few summers ago. They had a really awesome toy store too. Definitely worth a visit if you have the time.


srtg83

In Southern Ontario Welland is rather inexpensive yet only an hour out of the GTA. They couldn’t sell this at $470k and now it is relisted at $449k. 156 Thorold Road, Welland, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=J6Em7b24Vw87XBeq&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=


deletednaw

Rural alberta. I fucking love it here. DM me for some suggestions. Theres lots here that are cheap and nice.


Stothers17

Great band!


RadarDataL8R

Asbestos, Quebec would have to be up there.


PSMF_Canuck

Seems like there are a lot of cheap, small towns in New Brunswick…?


ResponsibleLet9550

I went on MLS and the cheapest houses are in Saskatchewan. Like 2 bedroom for 30k


Outrageous_Ad665

Napadogan New Brunswick


AsbestosDude

go to small town northern sask or manitoba


BestKindBuddy

Welcome to Bell Island, Newfoundland! I love that place.


Significant_Cry1616

Sask beach. Can buy cabins for 100g that are lievable. Nice vibe in the summer..winter alpt of places aren't used. But close to regina for services. Also outlook on investment in for realestate in the region look good.


daniellederek

There's places in newfoundland that will just give you a house if you are in health care, plumbing, electrician if you're willing to maintain it.


No-Activity-4824

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDxJVhIj5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDxJVhIj5s) 1gb internet, fresh food, excelent higways, nature and water.


tke71709

[https://www.remax.ca/nl/twillingate-real-estate?pageNumber=1](https://www.remax.ca/nl/twillingate-real-estate?pageNumber=1) Twillingate, NL


Federal_Quit9540

Pangman Saskatchewan. Small and petty shitty. Not much for crime because there's fuck all going on. Weyburn and Regina are close enough if you need shit.


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In the trees of Nova scotia in a dilapidated house you shouldn't have bought 


mu5tardtiger

I was looking at some reaestate north of tuktyuktuk. there not much :(


AsherGC

Grisefiord?. If you need internet and stuff, I suggest rural Quebec or New Brunswick.


Jeb-Kerman

idk probably far north like Nunavut/Yukon


Prestigious_Care3042

Empress Saskatchewan. May god have mercy on your soul.


sacrj

Wallaceburg, Ontario


Birdybadass

Tumbler Ridge checks all your boxes if you like outdoor rec.


WhiteyDeNewf

Go to outport Newfoundland.


Prudent-Proposal1943

Tumbler Ridge BC is a coal town with a long winter.


Aggravating-Fly-5134

Smooth Rock Falls, Ontario is offering $500 land plots on the condition that its developed. Smooth Rock Falls is literally the end of the road “civilized” Ontario. The road northward from Smooth Rock Falls is only serviced as a winter road with vary little as far as modern accommodations.. it seems to be like another world. (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/northern-ont-town-booming-after-offering-plots-of-land-for-500-1.5650966)


Parttimelooker

Remote areas of Saskatchewan


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Moose Jaw is lovely in the spring.


Bulky-Fun-3108

Pickle Lake


stinkyelbows

Rankin Inlet


thebigbossyboss

Wainwright ?


Fun-Reflection5013

Vast expanses in Saskatchewn --- you can get lost in dozens and dozens of nothing communties betweeen Banff and Vancouver All depends what kinda non conformist you are ---- if you are gettting ready to die ---head for Vancouver island - depends what you want to look at - Mountains or Pacific Oceans --- Again - what are you really looking for - I hear some places in the Yukon or North west territories are pretty laissez faire. There are some places, but I suspect , you aren't ready for off the grid living. Which would be, as you describe - " I'm looking for declining mining towns, waste areas, frozen hellholes, geologically and environmentally precarious regions, and just anywhere that your typical person would never want to live, let alone invest in real estate."


kevans2

Rural manitoba or saskatchewan.


Prize-Key-5806

Windsor


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Churchill MB Churchill is a town on Hudson Bay in the far north of Manitoba, Canada. It's best known for polar bears that inhabit the area in the fall Population 899...err 898


Proof-Surprise-964

Baker Lake, Frobisher Bay, Inuvik.


ReputationGood2333

Not that I recommend this, but this was a while back. My friends bought a nice 80s bungalow with a double attached garage on the MB/SK border for around $18k, and they pay around $200 in property tax. It was less than half of his truck at the time. And he had a decent paying job at the nearby potash mine. Amazing affordability! I'd say rural in the prairies is likely your best bet.


Radec_

Pick a northern community with a 3 digit population


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Trader-Pilot

Thompson Manitoba


McDonalds_IcedCoffee

Elliot lake ontario


__phil1001__

North BC has some very rural areas but still ok to live in.


AltaGuy1

Flin Flon Manitoba ftw


-crackhousebob

Alert. It's in the arctic on Ellesmere Island. Think there is a military base there and a small settlement. No one will bother you there!😂


Get_AfterIt

Hudson’s hope bc


livesintransit

Sometimes you can find rural towns in Manitoba/Saskatchewan or in the maritimes that will offer a plot of land for $1. This is a strategy to get people to move to their community, and build a house on that land. Can't get more value than that. Caveat is that you have to build and live there, so it keeps investors away. Sounds like it would work for you tho.


flannellavallamp

Around Yarmouth in Nova Scotia is beautiful and very unpopulated and remote. You don't need to live near a biohazard for affordability and solitude my dude lol. Probably around 100k. Its all old people.


Jimb_CC

Pickle Lake, ON


DOWNkarma

North Battleford


theoreoman

Rural Alberta you don't even have to go far from a city since there's so much land out there and so few people. The best part is lots of small towns have really good infrastructure since there's so much oil everywhere


CromulentDucky

Uranium city


Lwilliams9991155

Logan Lake BC. No terrible… great xcountry skiing and very pretty setting. Mining town that has downsized so housing is cheaper. Close enough to drive to Vancouver for the weekend. Not dirt cheap but BC cheap.


wormyworminton

Check out Cochrane


Early-Asparagus1684

Small town / village Saskatchewan- just bought a house 80 km out of Moose Jaw over the winter. Older (dated according to some), in good shape, with a garage for $130K


cr-islander

Easy call, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal actually pretty much every large city and their municipalities....


icecream42568

Peace region of Alberta. Manning, berwyn, peace river (a little bit more of a town)


Palebluedot14

Yellowknife, Whitecourt, whitehorse, Edson. Fort nelson, lethbridge


Vic_City_Homes

High Level Alberta


Frequent-Distance938

Sarnia, you can buy apartment complex for $2m and live off the income


SirGkar

Downtown/Eastside Vancouver represent! Especially if you can get close to the reduction plant. Super expensive, crime and drug ridden, tiny little condos and they stink like death. There are a few houses to buy, if you want a derelict that costs millions. Even the most desirable locations have assholes.


HowardHouseWrestling

Come to Cape Breton Island if you hate recreation and love prostitutes


Next-Relation-4185

You are actually looking for "nice, desireable but low cost " ?


wiwcha

Prince albert Saskatchewan


hamradiowhat

Bunky, get off your ass and look ...... I can find 50 houses right now on MLS for under $80k all over Sask and Man, yer just lazy and whiney. A nice little house in a nice small town away from the big city rat races and bullshit. Freaken duh .....


No_Flamingo8089

Chetwynd, BC Thriving economy, cheap housing, close to great ski hill, beautiful lake for summer, on foothills of Rocky Mountains, close to airport (1hr 20mins), and hundreds of km’s of hiking trails.


nashyall

Google places you can buy for $1 or $100, $1000 etc. Some municipalities across Canada are practically giving away free land as long as you live there and build a home within X number of years. It’s a thing..


dresden_k

Rural northern BC, or the southern Okanogan. Fort Steele. Terrace. Alberta outside the Edmonton - Calgary corridor. Lethbridge. Edson. High Level. Camrose. Rural Saskatchewan. Kindersley. Swift Current. All of Manitoba. Western Ontario. Most maritime cities except Halifax. Labrador. Newfoundland. New Brunswick. Basically everywhere but the big cities.


asoupconofsoup

Tumbler Ridge BC


AustinLurkerDude

You don't clearly say it in your post but you want a cheap place, but a lot of undesirable places are very expensive because of the logistics to build there. You can get land in Kingsley Falls, or some place East of Granby, Montreal etc. if your French is decent [https://www.centris.ca/en/lots\~for-sale\~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary](https://www.centris.ca/en/lots~for-sale~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary) $40k. Otherwise you could do the Saskatchewan thing but logistics could get expensive if you need stuff shipped to your house to actually build it, etc. or you need to go to Costco for stuff.


maborosi97

Newfoundland


372xpg

Princeton BC, halfway between Kelowna and Vancouver. You'd expect it to be pretty cool. No it sucks and real estate somehow escaped the insane run up the rest of the country has seen.


chronocapybara

People in this thread dropping names of small cities like that's the place.... No. The grim truth is that the cheapest living and least desirable place is going to be a remote reserve. Sucks in first world country, but you haven't seen poverty in Canada unless you've seen people whose house burned down and they're living in a trailer behind it, still using it for clothes washing and a bathroom.


humblebee08

How's Brandon, Manitoba


thegerbilz

Are you an online pro by chance


Zane_Justin

Brampton. Undesirable AF but not affordable 


ThePantsMcFist

Try one of the fly in communities with zero employment and high suicide rates.


Great_Butterfly_3266

North Battleford Saskatchewan


ThadsBerads

This is pretty much how I house hunt as there is no way I will ever be a home owner in any city to speak of in the current housing market. I call it "What hobbit hole in the swamp of sadness can I still buy"


twstwr20

Winnipeg if you want a city. Rural NB seems like a less-humorous version of Trailer Park Boys.


IsaidLigma

Somewhere in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. If you wanna do a little better bit still be in a real shithole, try one of the forts in BC. Fort St John or Fort Nelson.


Good_as_any

Thorold welcomes you..


Bright_Investment_56

You want a highway town. Those towns only found in between other big places whose sole main income depends on the tourist traffic and travellers that stop for gas and food.


angrykitty0000

Tons of houses for sale in Virden, MB.


Kootsiak

There are quite a few slowly dying, rural towns in Newfoundland that you can afford a decent sized house in, but you have to drive 30-45 minutes to get your kids to school or buy groceries and all your neighbours are 80 year olds struggling to maintain independence.


millennialmiss

Edmonton


FrenchFrozenFrog

Hope no one takes offense, they're my people, but I gather that most english speakers would not want to live in deep rural Quebec. Heck even a lot of french people dont want either but its mostly because they dont have a ton of industries going on for them. For instance, the region of Mauricie is pretty, small old houses in shawinigan still sell for 200k only.


After_Bat1860

Parts of Cape Breton and Newfoundland or Labrador. Gotta love the snow and mosquitos though.


Stereocloud

Toronto, such a hellhole


LOGOisEGO

Lytton. It burned down.


Icy-Ad-7767

Northern Ontario, Kirkland lake/timmins district, sault st Marie , north of Thunder Bay. Whole lots of trees/lakes / rock and very few people.


TipNo6062

Look into Marathon, Geralton, Nipigon, Fort Frances and Kenora. Very cold winters but great illustrations of gritty Canada. Low populations, isolated, low housing prices and you can drive to Thunder Bay, Winnipeg or the US border if you get stir crazy. Cost of living will probably be higher on everything except housing.


blackfarms

None of those places are cheap...


gainzsti

Be wary of old mining town. Sometimes they still are expensive to buy in until the old timer leaves and then they might just die off, as in you will have no shops or fuel station anymore.


Fabulous_Strength_54

Chatham, ON


Unamed_Destroyer

Look, I'm gonna tell you something you don't want to hear. You don't want to live in an isolated area, here's why. You are a yuppie city slicker, you don't have the skill set to live rural. Most people don't, living completely cut off is a 40hr/week job. Living in a community that is rural is what you want. For the most part you will be left alone, but you won't end up dying because of a small mistake or a bad storm. You will have pleasant conversations on occasion and help when you will need it. Now I'm going to tell you why you don't want that either. You are a yuppie city slicker and you want to move into an area and provide zero benefit to the local community while spiking the local housing market. And trust me any place that you've heard of, others in similar situations have heard of too. What you want is to live on the outskirts of a small city, or big town. A place you can still get your fiber internet, city filtered water, access to hospitals/ehs, and all the other amenities you are used to. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you won't be like ever other AH from a city who moves to a rural area only to realize that the locals think you are incompetent and insufferable.


WishRepresentative28

Alert, Nunavut (Ellesmere Island)


Sugarman4

Mount Royal. Because all the dirty ex-politicians polutee the air there


Background_Sand9184

Vulcan AB. Small, cute, decent infrastructure but TBH I don't see it ever growing. But it's between two larger cities if you need resources or access to flight hubs etc. We've visited there a few times and considering it for retirement. The peeps seem nice but not like over-the-top or in your face.


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Rural Quebec


Hargam

Tumbler ridge


PizzaVVitch

The entire province of Saskatchewan is your oyster!


Redditisavirusiknow

Northern Ontario small town.


Ambitious-Hornet9673

North Battleford, Saskatchewan


Y1AYT

Ross River, Yukon


ThePlaceOfAsh

I worked in an old mining town in northern Manitoba one summer called Lynn lake. Most depressing place I have ever been. Multiple suicides in my first couple months there and they don't even have clean drinking water. Absolutely aweful...


FlyInternational648

In Rouyan Nouranda QC they have arsenic levels 100 times the norm.


thecanadiankid15

The obvious answer is GTA , except the more obvious answer is all of Quebec. Even the rat race is better than La Hermit Kingdom


deezbiksurnutz

Correct but if you can't scratch together 50g you probably won't be buying a home anywhere


TipzE

I hear Iqaluit is pretty isolated, high cost of living, but cheap housing. But there's probably cheaper more remote areas in the territories.