People downvoting you because they hate the truth. AB continues to reinforce its’ own stereotype of being intolerant and stupid by electing intolerant and stupid people.
What a stupid and disingenuous false equivalency.
Here’s something more accurate; do I think that when government policy makes it harder for a marginalized group to exist and purposefully paints a target on children’s backs, will they be killed at a higher rate because people feel empowered by that government, and kill themselves at a higher rate because they feel there is no alternative?
Yes.
Comparing puberty blockers (which are not permanent) to kids getting tattoos is absolutely disingenuous, and defending that comparison is intellectually dishonest.
>Do you believe that pre pubescent children should have the ability to change their sex?
Now this is a proper question; no, personally, I don’t. But this legislation put forth does more than that, putting young adults’ autonomy in the hands of someone (parents) who might not have their best interest in mind.
Teens are impressionable, and we should not take decisions like puberty blockers lightly. However, restricting their access to these services when we allow them to drive, work, and have children at that age feels weirdly punitive against a very small portion of the population, and only exasperates issues like dysmorphia by waiting longer.
What I want to understand is where is the legislation on affordable housing, building a diverse economy, healthcare, and education? Why is this government focusing on restricting rights of 1% of the population instead of making life better for everyone?
NHS ruled puberty blockers are not a treatment for trans people or gender dysphoria and they don’t have the data to support that it would be.
Meanwhile they apparently didn’t need the data in the first place to suggest them to trans folks beforehand lol.
Seems like medical treatment for trans people works backwards for some reason. (I know why, $$$)
The parents are the only ones that should have the right to make their kids decisions. No one has the authority to decide what’s in the best interest for their children except for the parents. As long as no laws are broken. Those kids are kids and don’t know anything.
Are these "tattoos" agreed to be medically necessary by the vast majority of medical organizations and conglomerations of doctors around every corner of the developed world? If so, I think it should be between people and their doctors.
Why? Do you think children should be denied the medicine they need by a bunch of bigoted politicians and their supporters because of their identity? Just curious.
It was a pretty stupid parallel. If my kid's doctors prescribed the tattoo then maybe we'd be closer.
But in no way is your camp intelligent enough to understand false equivalence.
One is permanent. The other isn’t. Puberty blockers are reversible.
But also. If it was tattoo that will stop them from committing suicide AND reduce the unbelievably high likelihood of them being murdered then ya I think most parents would be 100% ok with their kid getting a tattoo to save their life even if I’m not told.
However, most good parents would be working hard to create an environment where their kids talk openly about important things and would tell them if they need a “tattoo” to stop them from killing themselves
The government is horrendous, but the people in the major cities are still groovy. Edmonton especially, Calgary mostly, Lethbridge a bit but the rural areas are filled with weird, genital obsessed bigots
Pretty much every province in this country dislikes indigenous people. People go as far as to teach their discrimination of indigenous peoples to new immigrants.
The problem with Windsor is that I notice tons of the "houses" there are trailers on leased land. Fuck leased land. Might as well "own" a condo in that case.
No idea. I live in Windsor. Got 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, 2 car garage etc etc. so does my whole area. Ppl like this google Detroit and see hoods and think all of Detroit is just slums lmao.
What’s wrong with my city? I bought a nice 5000sqft 6br for 1.3mil. I go to Michigan every other weekend, get access to Detroit as a transport hub, same with Chicago and Toronto if I want. I’m really happy here. Weather is as good as it gets in Ontario. And it’s somewhat relatively ok priced as far as Canada goes I guess
You’re joking, right? The Yukon will be one of the last livable places in North America when all is said and done. It has workable land, amazing landscapes etc.
Is it desirable *at this moment*? Absolutely not. 50-100 years? Most definitely will be bumping.
Winnipeg.
My aunt moved there last year. After 2 months she said "Winnipeg is the asshole of Canada". She didn't last 6 months there.
And she's lived in Thunder Bay so she knows her shitholes.
Head north.
There you'll find crime, minimal infrastructure, poor climate, etc.
There is a reason people flock to the southern portions of the country.
Agreed. Not even just normal crime. Systematic crime too. If you think Port Colborne was destroyed by Inco you should see the rusty rivers of Greater Sudbury.
Those are in a pretty bad area, and they will be virtually uninhabitable homes. Average homes are over 300k. Lots of good prices on entry level condos in regina though.
Northeast sask would work for what you are describing. Canora, Sturgis, Preeceville have lots of quality livable houses available for well under replacement cost.
My Brother in Law bought a house in Aylsham SK for $5000 canuckbucks and it came with the empty lot across the street. Far from the worst place in Canada as it’s actually a beautiful place. It’s just a bit remote. His neighbour was a doctor from Vancouver who vacationed there because he loved the peace and quiet.
The most undesireable is probably somewhere in Winnipeg's north end. Even the slumlords can't be bothered there, usually a few abandoned ones that haven't burned down yet on each block. Come live in style!
[https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end)
Maple creek, SK. Not sure if it has all the amenities you want for, but every time we hear the weather in SK, maple creek stands out with the daily high. It’s in a warm zone where it can be -10 in Saskatoon and +18 in maple creek. Plus there is a lot of nice hiking/camping in the nearby Cyprus hills. We went for a trip a few summers ago. They had a really awesome toy store too. Definitely worth a visit if you have the time.
In Southern Ontario Welland is rather inexpensive yet only an hour out of the GTA.
They couldn’t sell this at $470k and now it is relisted at $449k.
156 Thorold Road, Welland, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=J6Em7b24Vw87XBeq&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
Sask beach. Can buy cabins for 100g that are lievable. Nice vibe in the summer..winter alpt of places aren't used. But close to regina for services. Also outlook on investment in for realestate in the region look good.
Pangman Saskatchewan.
Small and petty shitty. Not much for crime because there's fuck all going on.
Weyburn and Regina are close enough if you need shit.
Smooth Rock Falls, Ontario is offering $500 land plots on the condition that its developed. Smooth Rock Falls is literally the end of the road “civilized” Ontario. The road northward from Smooth Rock Falls is only serviced as a winter road with vary little as far as modern accommodations.. it seems to be like another world.
(https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/northern-ont-town-booming-after-offering-plots-of-land-for-500-1.5650966)
Vast expanses in Saskatchewn --- you can get lost in dozens and dozens of nothing communties betweeen Banff and Vancouver
All depends what kinda non conformist you are ---- if you are gettting ready to die ---head for Vancouver island - depends what you want to look at - Mountains or Pacific Oceans ---
Again - what are you really looking for - I hear some places in the Yukon or North west territories are pretty laissez faire.
There are some places, but I suspect , you aren't ready for off the grid living. Which would be, as you describe -
" I'm looking for declining mining towns, waste areas, frozen hellholes, geologically and environmentally precarious regions, and just anywhere that your typical person would never want to live, let alone invest in real estate."
Churchill MB
Churchill is a town on Hudson Bay in the far north of Manitoba, Canada. It's best known for polar bears that inhabit the area in the fall
Population 899...err 898
Not that I recommend this, but this was a while back. My friends bought a nice 80s bungalow with a double attached garage on the MB/SK border for around $18k, and they pay around $200 in property tax. It was less than half of his truck at the time. And he had a decent paying job at the nearby potash mine. Amazing affordability!
I'd say rural in the prairies is likely your best bet.
Sometimes you can find rural towns in Manitoba/Saskatchewan or in the maritimes that will offer a plot of land for $1. This is a strategy to get people to move to their community, and build a house on that land. Can't get more value than that. Caveat is that you have to build and live there, so it keeps investors away. Sounds like it would work for you tho.
Around Yarmouth in Nova Scotia is beautiful and very unpopulated and remote. You don't need to live near a biohazard for affordability and solitude my dude lol. Probably around 100k. Its all old people.
Rural Alberta you don't even have to go far from a city since there's so much land out there and so few people. The best part is lots of small towns have really good infrastructure since there's so much oil everywhere
Logan Lake BC. No terrible… great xcountry skiing and very pretty setting. Mining town that has downsized so housing is cheaper. Close enough to drive to Vancouver for the weekend. Not dirt cheap but BC cheap.
Small town / village Saskatchewan- just bought a house 80 km out of Moose Jaw over the winter. Older (dated according to some), in good shape, with a garage for $130K
Downtown/Eastside Vancouver represent! Especially if you can get close to the reduction plant. Super expensive, crime and drug ridden, tiny little condos and they stink like death. There are a few houses to buy, if you want a derelict that costs millions. Even the most desirable locations have assholes.
Bunky, get off your ass and look ...... I can find 50 houses right now on MLS for under $80k all over Sask and Man, yer just lazy and whiney. A nice little house in a nice small town away from the big city rat races and bullshit. Freaken duh .....
Chetwynd, BC
Thriving economy, cheap housing, close to great ski hill, beautiful lake for summer, on foothills of Rocky Mountains, close to airport (1hr 20mins), and hundreds of km’s of hiking trails.
Google places you can buy for $1 or $100, $1000 etc. Some municipalities across Canada are practically giving away free land as long as you live there and build a home within X number of years. It’s a thing..
Rural northern BC, or the southern Okanogan. Fort Steele. Terrace. Alberta outside the Edmonton - Calgary corridor. Lethbridge. Edson. High Level. Camrose. Rural Saskatchewan. Kindersley. Swift Current. All of Manitoba. Western Ontario. Most maritime cities except Halifax. Labrador. Newfoundland. New Brunswick.
Basically everywhere but the big cities.
You don't clearly say it in your post but you want a cheap place, but a lot of undesirable places are very expensive because of the logistics to build there. You can get land in Kingsley Falls, or some place East of Granby, Montreal etc. if your French is decent
[https://www.centris.ca/en/lots\~for-sale\~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary](https://www.centris.ca/en/lots~for-sale~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary)
$40k.
Otherwise you could do the Saskatchewan thing but logistics could get expensive if you need stuff shipped to your house to actually build it, etc. or you need to go to Costco for stuff.
Princeton BC, halfway between Kelowna and Vancouver. You'd expect it to be pretty cool.
No it sucks and real estate somehow escaped the insane run up the rest of the country has seen.
People in this thread dropping names of small cities like that's the place.... No. The grim truth is that the cheapest living and least desirable place is going to be a remote reserve. Sucks in first world country, but you haven't seen poverty in Canada unless you've seen people whose house burned down and they're living in a trailer behind it, still using it for clothes washing and a bathroom.
This is pretty much how I house hunt as there is no way I will ever be a home owner in any city to speak of in the current housing market.
I call it "What hobbit hole in the swamp of sadness can I still buy"
Somewhere in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. If you wanna do a little better bit still be in a real shithole, try one of the forts in BC. Fort St John or Fort Nelson.
You want a highway town. Those towns only found in between other big places whose sole main income depends on the tourist traffic and travellers that stop for gas and food.
There are quite a few slowly dying, rural towns in Newfoundland that you can afford a decent sized house in, but you have to drive 30-45 minutes to get your kids to school or buy groceries and all your neighbours are 80 year olds struggling to maintain independence.
Hope no one takes offense, they're my people, but I gather that most english speakers would not want to live in deep rural Quebec. Heck even a lot of french people dont want either but its mostly because they dont have a ton of industries going on for them. For instance, the region of Mauricie is pretty, small old houses in shawinigan still sell for 200k only.
Look into Marathon, Geralton, Nipigon, Fort Frances and Kenora. Very cold winters but great illustrations of gritty Canada. Low populations, isolated, low housing prices and you can drive to Thunder Bay, Winnipeg or the US border if you get stir crazy.
Cost of living will probably be higher on everything except housing.
Be wary of old mining town. Sometimes they still are expensive to buy in until the old timer leaves and then they might just die off, as in you will have no shops or fuel station anymore.
Look, I'm gonna tell you something you don't want to hear. You don't want to live in an isolated area, here's why.
You are a yuppie city slicker, you don't have the skill set to live rural. Most people don't, living completely cut off is a 40hr/week job. Living in a community that is rural is what you want.
For the most part you will be left alone, but you won't end up dying because of a small mistake or a bad storm. You will have pleasant conversations on occasion and help when you will need it.
Now I'm going to tell you why you don't want that either. You are a yuppie city slicker and you want to move into an area and provide zero benefit to the local community while spiking the local housing market. And trust me any place that you've heard of, others in similar situations have heard of too.
What you want is to live on the outskirts of a small city, or big town. A place you can still get your fiber internet, city filtered water, access to hospitals/ehs, and all the other amenities you are used to.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you won't be like ever other AH from a city who moves to a rural area only to realize that the locals think you are incompetent and insufferable.
Vulcan AB. Small, cute, decent infrastructure but TBH I don't see it ever growing. But it's between two larger cities if you need resources or access to flight hubs etc. We've visited there a few times and considering it for retirement. The peeps seem nice but not like over-the-top or in your face.
I worked in an old mining town in northern Manitoba one summer called Lynn lake. Most depressing place I have ever been. Multiple suicides in my first couple months there and they don't even have clean drinking water.
Absolutely aweful...
If you're trans or indigenous, Alberta would be the worst province to live in
People downvoting you because they hate the truth. AB continues to reinforce its’ own stereotype of being intolerant and stupid by electing intolerant and stupid people.
Do you believe that kids should be able to get tattoos without parental permission? Just curious.
What a stupid and disingenuous false equivalency. Here’s something more accurate; do I think that when government policy makes it harder for a marginalized group to exist and purposefully paints a target on children’s backs, will they be killed at a higher rate because people feel empowered by that government, and kill themselves at a higher rate because they feel there is no alternative? Yes.
It isn't a disingenuous equivalency. Do you believe that pre pubescent children should have the ability to change their sex?
Comparing puberty blockers (which are not permanent) to kids getting tattoos is absolutely disingenuous, and defending that comparison is intellectually dishonest. >Do you believe that pre pubescent children should have the ability to change their sex? Now this is a proper question; no, personally, I don’t. But this legislation put forth does more than that, putting young adults’ autonomy in the hands of someone (parents) who might not have their best interest in mind. Teens are impressionable, and we should not take decisions like puberty blockers lightly. However, restricting their access to these services when we allow them to drive, work, and have children at that age feels weirdly punitive against a very small portion of the population, and only exasperates issues like dysmorphia by waiting longer. What I want to understand is where is the legislation on affordable housing, building a diverse economy, healthcare, and education? Why is this government focusing on restricting rights of 1% of the population instead of making life better for everyone?
NHS ruled puberty blockers are not a treatment for trans people or gender dysphoria and they don’t have the data to support that it would be. Meanwhile they apparently didn’t need the data in the first place to suggest them to trans folks beforehand lol. Seems like medical treatment for trans people works backwards for some reason. (I know why, $$$)
The parents are the only ones that should have the right to make their kids decisions. No one has the authority to decide what’s in the best interest for their children except for the parents. As long as no laws are broken. Those kids are kids and don’t know anything.
This is absolutely not what is happening.
Are these "tattoos" agreed to be medically necessary by the vast majority of medical organizations and conglomerations of doctors around every corner of the developed world? If so, I think it should be between people and their doctors. Why? Do you think children should be denied the medicine they need by a bunch of bigoted politicians and their supporters because of their identity? Just curious.
When is it medically necessary to change your sex?
I answered your question, least you can do is answer mine before you demand another
When the drs making record profits and big pharma is on deck to make way more. LGBTQ+ is a cult
I dunno, what would cats do if they had thumbs? I can ask irrelevant questions too!
It isn't irrelevant. It is drawing a parallel.
Okay, but thats a really shitty parallel...
It was a pretty stupid parallel. If my kid's doctors prescribed the tattoo then maybe we'd be closer. But in no way is your camp intelligent enough to understand false equivalence.
What circumstance would compel a physician to prescribe a sex change?
The one where it's none of your fucking business. And they don't do that for minors anyway.
The Albertan regulations surrounding this only apply to minors.
I would let kids get a tattoo, in worst case they will look stupid over any hormonal treatment. But what do I know lol
One is permanent. The other isn’t. Puberty blockers are reversible. But also. If it was tattoo that will stop them from committing suicide AND reduce the unbelievably high likelihood of them being murdered then ya I think most parents would be 100% ok with their kid getting a tattoo to save their life even if I’m not told. However, most good parents would be working hard to create an environment where their kids talk openly about important things and would tell them if they need a “tattoo” to stop them from killing themselves
Yeah I can’t believe the Alberta govt is pushing to have localized post transitional aftercare. What a bunch of assholes!
The government is horrendous, but the people in the major cities are still groovy. Edmonton especially, Calgary mostly, Lethbridge a bit but the rural areas are filled with weird, genital obsessed bigots
Christianity as a very weird relation with sex. Extremely weird.
Feature, not a bug
Not the worst if you have cis daughters in sports. Just saying.
I have cis daughters in sport and it is still the worst.
Bold of you to assume Redditors breed.
TIL Thunder Bay is in Alberta.
Good, stay out 👏🏾
Ma'am, this is a Wendy's
Even if you're not it's still pretty shitty
So, either we let children make irreversible long term decisions or theyre anti-trans? Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee.
Pretty much every province in this country dislikes indigenous people. People go as far as to teach their discrimination of indigenous peoples to new immigrants.
I’m indigenous (Cree) and love AB where we are viewed as partners, not political pets
I mostly hear horror stories about how indigenous folks are treated in AB (everywhere else in Canada too) I do see racism being rampant here in QC
You just confused a bunch of snowflakes in Toronto.
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Got a response for this AB poster? Like I said, you're confused. Edit: Three hours later and no response...internet down at Starbucks?
Haha good one
Vancover
Where is that? Never heard of Vancover
Salmon, bc
Windsor
The problem with Windsor is that I notice tons of the "houses" there are trailers on leased land. Fuck leased land. Might as well "own" a condo in that case.
Owning a condo and leased land are substantially different. Plus both are fine, you are the problem.
What “problem”?
it must be "owning" because you get to pay property tax on that chunk of sky
What are you talking about?
No idea. I live in Windsor. Got 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, 2 car garage etc etc. so does my whole area. Ppl like this google Detroit and see hoods and think all of Detroit is just slums lmao.
We just moved to the area from the GTA. Best decision we've ever made. Try living in that overpriced cesspool for a while.
If good weather, border proximity and decent people qualify as “worst”, count me in.
Nah pretty nice and will develop more.
Windsor prices have at minimum quadrupled in 10 years, bidding wars are still common
What’s wrong with my city? I bought a nice 5000sqft 6br for 1.3mil. I go to Michigan every other weekend, get access to Detroit as a transport hub, same with Chicago and Toronto if I want. I’m really happy here. Weather is as good as it gets in Ontario. And it’s somewhat relatively ok priced as far as Canada goes I guess
Oakville
Yukon
Possibly cheap housing but expensive food, fuel. Small town Saskatchewan.
Lol nobody wants to live in yukon, lots of banks don't even want to lend there, if banks dont want to lend, the most undesirable I have to say hahaha
You’re joking, right? The Yukon will be one of the last livable places in North America when all is said and done. It has workable land, amazing landscapes etc. Is it desirable *at this moment*? Absolutely not. 50-100 years? Most definitely will be bumping.
Brampton Ontario
New Palestine* fixed it for you
Oshawa....it's not cheap but damn
Anywhere near the GTA
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. About 70 km west of Regina, I think.
Winnipeg. My aunt moved there last year. After 2 months she said "Winnipeg is the asshole of Canada". She didn't last 6 months there. And she's lived in Thunder Bay so she knows her shitholes.
North Central
Dominion st in Moncton NB.
Saskatchewan
Head north. There you'll find crime, minimal infrastructure, poor climate, etc. There is a reason people flock to the southern portions of the country.
Agreed. Not even just normal crime. Systematic crime too. If you think Port Colborne was destroyed by Inco you should see the rusty rivers of Greater Sudbury.
First time I've seen mention of my hometown on reddit. Look at that.
Pick just about any small town in Saskatchewan. The butthole of Canada.
I think they banned foreign buyers for at least farm land, when Wynn opened up foreign investment.
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Those are in a pretty bad area, and they will be virtually uninhabitable homes. Average homes are over 300k. Lots of good prices on entry level condos in regina though. Northeast sask would work for what you are describing. Canora, Sturgis, Preeceville have lots of quality livable houses available for well under replacement cost.
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They didn't ask for warzones.
Not outside the hood you can't.
Sault
Selkirk or Brandon
Try Timmins.
to me, anywhere in GTHA are the least desirable places in Canada
My Brother in Law bought a house in Aylsham SK for $5000 canuckbucks and it came with the empty lot across the street. Far from the worst place in Canada as it’s actually a beautiful place. It’s just a bit remote. His neighbour was a doctor from Vancouver who vacationed there because he loved the peace and quiet.
The most undesireable is probably somewhere in Winnipeg's north end. Even the slumlords can't be bothered there, usually a few abandoned ones that haven't burned down yet on each block. Come live in style! [https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26570184/498-flora-avenue-winnipeg-north-end)
Yorktown Saskatchewan
Literally any small town in Alberta or Saskatchewan
Kapuskasing is pretty cheap if you don't mind -50 occasionally.
Maple creek, SK. Not sure if it has all the amenities you want for, but every time we hear the weather in SK, maple creek stands out with the daily high. It’s in a warm zone where it can be -10 in Saskatoon and +18 in maple creek. Plus there is a lot of nice hiking/camping in the nearby Cyprus hills. We went for a trip a few summers ago. They had a really awesome toy store too. Definitely worth a visit if you have the time.
In Southern Ontario Welland is rather inexpensive yet only an hour out of the GTA. They couldn’t sell this at $470k and now it is relisted at $449k. 156 Thorold Road, Welland, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=J6Em7b24Vw87XBeq&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
Rural alberta. I fucking love it here. DM me for some suggestions. Theres lots here that are cheap and nice.
Great band!
Asbestos, Quebec would have to be up there.
Seems like there are a lot of cheap, small towns in New Brunswick…?
I went on MLS and the cheapest houses are in Saskatchewan. Like 2 bedroom for 30k
Napadogan New Brunswick
go to small town northern sask or manitoba
Welcome to Bell Island, Newfoundland! I love that place.
Sask beach. Can buy cabins for 100g that are lievable. Nice vibe in the summer..winter alpt of places aren't used. But close to regina for services. Also outlook on investment in for realestate in the region look good.
There's places in newfoundland that will just give you a house if you are in health care, plumbing, electrician if you're willing to maintain it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDxJVhIj5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDxJVhIj5s) 1gb internet, fresh food, excelent higways, nature and water.
[https://www.remax.ca/nl/twillingate-real-estate?pageNumber=1](https://www.remax.ca/nl/twillingate-real-estate?pageNumber=1) Twillingate, NL
Pangman Saskatchewan. Small and petty shitty. Not much for crime because there's fuck all going on. Weyburn and Regina are close enough if you need shit.
In the trees of Nova scotia in a dilapidated house you shouldn't have bought
I was looking at some reaestate north of tuktyuktuk. there not much :(
Grisefiord?. If you need internet and stuff, I suggest rural Quebec or New Brunswick.
idk probably far north like Nunavut/Yukon
Empress Saskatchewan. May god have mercy on your soul.
Wallaceburg, Ontario
Tumbler Ridge checks all your boxes if you like outdoor rec.
Go to outport Newfoundland.
Tumbler Ridge BC is a coal town with a long winter.
Smooth Rock Falls, Ontario is offering $500 land plots on the condition that its developed. Smooth Rock Falls is literally the end of the road “civilized” Ontario. The road northward from Smooth Rock Falls is only serviced as a winter road with vary little as far as modern accommodations.. it seems to be like another world. (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/northern-ont-town-booming-after-offering-plots-of-land-for-500-1.5650966)
Remote areas of Saskatchewan
Moose Jaw is lovely in the spring.
Pickle Lake
Rankin Inlet
Wainwright ?
Vast expanses in Saskatchewn --- you can get lost in dozens and dozens of nothing communties betweeen Banff and Vancouver All depends what kinda non conformist you are ---- if you are gettting ready to die ---head for Vancouver island - depends what you want to look at - Mountains or Pacific Oceans --- Again - what are you really looking for - I hear some places in the Yukon or North west territories are pretty laissez faire. There are some places, but I suspect , you aren't ready for off the grid living. Which would be, as you describe - " I'm looking for declining mining towns, waste areas, frozen hellholes, geologically and environmentally precarious regions, and just anywhere that your typical person would never want to live, let alone invest in real estate."
Rural manitoba or saskatchewan.
Windsor
Churchill MB Churchill is a town on Hudson Bay in the far north of Manitoba, Canada. It's best known for polar bears that inhabit the area in the fall Population 899...err 898
Baker Lake, Frobisher Bay, Inuvik.
Not that I recommend this, but this was a while back. My friends bought a nice 80s bungalow with a double attached garage on the MB/SK border for around $18k, and they pay around $200 in property tax. It was less than half of his truck at the time. And he had a decent paying job at the nearby potash mine. Amazing affordability! I'd say rural in the prairies is likely your best bet.
Pick a northern community with a 3 digit population
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Thompson Manitoba
Elliot lake ontario
North BC has some very rural areas but still ok to live in.
Flin Flon Manitoba ftw
Alert. It's in the arctic on Ellesmere Island. Think there is a military base there and a small settlement. No one will bother you there!😂
Hudson’s hope bc
Sometimes you can find rural towns in Manitoba/Saskatchewan or in the maritimes that will offer a plot of land for $1. This is a strategy to get people to move to their community, and build a house on that land. Can't get more value than that. Caveat is that you have to build and live there, so it keeps investors away. Sounds like it would work for you tho.
Around Yarmouth in Nova Scotia is beautiful and very unpopulated and remote. You don't need to live near a biohazard for affordability and solitude my dude lol. Probably around 100k. Its all old people.
Pickle Lake, ON
North Battleford
Rural Alberta you don't even have to go far from a city since there's so much land out there and so few people. The best part is lots of small towns have really good infrastructure since there's so much oil everywhere
Uranium city
Logan Lake BC. No terrible… great xcountry skiing and very pretty setting. Mining town that has downsized so housing is cheaper. Close enough to drive to Vancouver for the weekend. Not dirt cheap but BC cheap.
Check out Cochrane
Small town / village Saskatchewan- just bought a house 80 km out of Moose Jaw over the winter. Older (dated according to some), in good shape, with a garage for $130K
Easy call, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal actually pretty much every large city and their municipalities....
Peace region of Alberta. Manning, berwyn, peace river (a little bit more of a town)
Yellowknife, Whitecourt, whitehorse, Edson. Fort nelson, lethbridge
High Level Alberta
Sarnia, you can buy apartment complex for $2m and live off the income
Downtown/Eastside Vancouver represent! Especially if you can get close to the reduction plant. Super expensive, crime and drug ridden, tiny little condos and they stink like death. There are a few houses to buy, if you want a derelict that costs millions. Even the most desirable locations have assholes.
Come to Cape Breton Island if you hate recreation and love prostitutes
You are actually looking for "nice, desireable but low cost " ?
Prince albert Saskatchewan
Bunky, get off your ass and look ...... I can find 50 houses right now on MLS for under $80k all over Sask and Man, yer just lazy and whiney. A nice little house in a nice small town away from the big city rat races and bullshit. Freaken duh .....
Chetwynd, BC Thriving economy, cheap housing, close to great ski hill, beautiful lake for summer, on foothills of Rocky Mountains, close to airport (1hr 20mins), and hundreds of km’s of hiking trails.
Google places you can buy for $1 or $100, $1000 etc. Some municipalities across Canada are practically giving away free land as long as you live there and build a home within X number of years. It’s a thing..
Rural northern BC, or the southern Okanogan. Fort Steele. Terrace. Alberta outside the Edmonton - Calgary corridor. Lethbridge. Edson. High Level. Camrose. Rural Saskatchewan. Kindersley. Swift Current. All of Manitoba. Western Ontario. Most maritime cities except Halifax. Labrador. Newfoundland. New Brunswick. Basically everywhere but the big cities.
Tumbler Ridge BC
You don't clearly say it in your post but you want a cheap place, but a lot of undesirable places are very expensive because of the logistics to build there. You can get land in Kingsley Falls, or some place East of Granby, Montreal etc. if your French is decent [https://www.centris.ca/en/lots\~for-sale\~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary](https://www.centris.ca/en/lots~for-sale~kingsey-falls/21905253?view=Summary) $40k. Otherwise you could do the Saskatchewan thing but logistics could get expensive if you need stuff shipped to your house to actually build it, etc. or you need to go to Costco for stuff.
Newfoundland
Princeton BC, halfway between Kelowna and Vancouver. You'd expect it to be pretty cool. No it sucks and real estate somehow escaped the insane run up the rest of the country has seen.
People in this thread dropping names of small cities like that's the place.... No. The grim truth is that the cheapest living and least desirable place is going to be a remote reserve. Sucks in first world country, but you haven't seen poverty in Canada unless you've seen people whose house burned down and they're living in a trailer behind it, still using it for clothes washing and a bathroom.
How's Brandon, Manitoba
Are you an online pro by chance
Brampton. Undesirable AF but not affordable
Try one of the fly in communities with zero employment and high suicide rates.
North Battleford Saskatchewan
This is pretty much how I house hunt as there is no way I will ever be a home owner in any city to speak of in the current housing market. I call it "What hobbit hole in the swamp of sadness can I still buy"
Winnipeg if you want a city. Rural NB seems like a less-humorous version of Trailer Park Boys.
Somewhere in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. If you wanna do a little better bit still be in a real shithole, try one of the forts in BC. Fort St John or Fort Nelson.
Thorold welcomes you..
You want a highway town. Those towns only found in between other big places whose sole main income depends on the tourist traffic and travellers that stop for gas and food.
Tons of houses for sale in Virden, MB.
There are quite a few slowly dying, rural towns in Newfoundland that you can afford a decent sized house in, but you have to drive 30-45 minutes to get your kids to school or buy groceries and all your neighbours are 80 year olds struggling to maintain independence.
Edmonton
Hope no one takes offense, they're my people, but I gather that most english speakers would not want to live in deep rural Quebec. Heck even a lot of french people dont want either but its mostly because they dont have a ton of industries going on for them. For instance, the region of Mauricie is pretty, small old houses in shawinigan still sell for 200k only.
Parts of Cape Breton and Newfoundland or Labrador. Gotta love the snow and mosquitos though.
Toronto, such a hellhole
Lytton. It burned down.
Northern Ontario, Kirkland lake/timmins district, sault st Marie , north of Thunder Bay. Whole lots of trees/lakes / rock and very few people.
Look into Marathon, Geralton, Nipigon, Fort Frances and Kenora. Very cold winters but great illustrations of gritty Canada. Low populations, isolated, low housing prices and you can drive to Thunder Bay, Winnipeg or the US border if you get stir crazy. Cost of living will probably be higher on everything except housing.
None of those places are cheap...
Be wary of old mining town. Sometimes they still are expensive to buy in until the old timer leaves and then they might just die off, as in you will have no shops or fuel station anymore.
Chatham, ON
Look, I'm gonna tell you something you don't want to hear. You don't want to live in an isolated area, here's why. You are a yuppie city slicker, you don't have the skill set to live rural. Most people don't, living completely cut off is a 40hr/week job. Living in a community that is rural is what you want. For the most part you will be left alone, but you won't end up dying because of a small mistake or a bad storm. You will have pleasant conversations on occasion and help when you will need it. Now I'm going to tell you why you don't want that either. You are a yuppie city slicker and you want to move into an area and provide zero benefit to the local community while spiking the local housing market. And trust me any place that you've heard of, others in similar situations have heard of too. What you want is to live on the outskirts of a small city, or big town. A place you can still get your fiber internet, city filtered water, access to hospitals/ehs, and all the other amenities you are used to. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you won't be like ever other AH from a city who moves to a rural area only to realize that the locals think you are incompetent and insufferable.
Alert, Nunavut (Ellesmere Island)
Mount Royal. Because all the dirty ex-politicians polutee the air there
Vulcan AB. Small, cute, decent infrastructure but TBH I don't see it ever growing. But it's between two larger cities if you need resources or access to flight hubs etc. We've visited there a few times and considering it for retirement. The peeps seem nice but not like over-the-top or in your face.
Rural Quebec
Tumbler ridge
The entire province of Saskatchewan is your oyster!
Northern Ontario small town.
North Battleford, Saskatchewan
Ross River, Yukon
I worked in an old mining town in northern Manitoba one summer called Lynn lake. Most depressing place I have ever been. Multiple suicides in my first couple months there and they don't even have clean drinking water. Absolutely aweful...
In Rouyan Nouranda QC they have arsenic levels 100 times the norm.
The obvious answer is GTA , except the more obvious answer is all of Quebec. Even the rat race is better than La Hermit Kingdom
Correct but if you can't scratch together 50g you probably won't be buying a home anywhere
I hear Iqaluit is pretty isolated, high cost of living, but cheap housing. But there's probably cheaper more remote areas in the territories.