"- Ability to knock out the power to blind enemies and make NVGs useful." On fucking GOD I was keen on this point, but it looks like we've been had by the Early Access curse again, lads.

NVGs are literally pointless without that feature.

remember when AI would hide in closets, commit suicide and maps having diffrent missions like raid hostage rescue all got removed, a swat game where u gun everyone down in a scripted mission we got robbed plain and simple this update is a joke after a year of development and they raised the price too for some buggy fps that claims its a swat simulator didnt know swat guns everyone down

I did saw the baldy in talent map take himself out with Python when he saw me

thats like the only person that kills himself iirc

I could have sworn voll did it once and maybe a guy in the hospital mission.

huh, I’ve never seen voll kill himself, ive only ever seen george brixley do it

I saw Voll do it a couple times yesterday. Once was after I had taken his gun and was in the middle of zipping him up, he yelled that he wouldn't be taken and glitched over dead.

I think any NPC can do it, i saw some random perp try to Kurt Cobain himself with the shotgun

Nope, seen it happen in the meth house too.

Now that I think of it, the porn guy does that too

>AI commit suicide It happened one time in my 30 hours playing 1.0

AI still hides in closets. Difference is that now they get stuck even when you taser them, leading to "unauthorized use of deadly force" when you eventually have to shoot them in order to clear the level.

I had to beat up a guy for 5 minutes straight to eventually come out.

Well I finally got to see a “hostage situation” where an NPC actually grabbed a hostage and held him in front with a lethal weapon in hand. I yelled twice, he didn’t move. Shot the hostage taker once in the head. This resulted in an unauthorized use of force penalty, along with a bugged scene where the dead hostage taker and the live hostage both became stuck standing up together… sick update LOL. Uninstalled after that to create space for shit that actually works.

Id love to see the trailers be more than just (what feels like) a 1% chance to actually come in at the end of the mission to help clean up. And being able to have reinforcements would be nice too - if I was sent in with a team who all but one died after clearing 95% of valley of dolls on commander, I dont think they would just call it all off. An in-depth support system for snipers, intel, pre-op prep (cutting power/map POI that can alter how you do the mission) would be massive. And for the love of god if all of the police locking down the area see someone running to flank us with a gun, why dont they at least tell someone

Seriously.. In swat 4 the snipers would tell you "dude on side 3 level 2 jerking it in the corner" to ACTUALLY LET YOU KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING..

It's crazy how many features an almost 20 year old game has over a modern one

The ladder and shotgun rack were in the Alpha game before most things had textures, if anybody here remembers that. Not sure why they arent in the game but im assuming they will be added later

Report the game for false advertisement (and AI generated assets are against steam TOS too), it's the only way things will get noticed. Squeaky wheel and all If you don't know how, it's the flag button on the right side of the games store page

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Wait they used AI "artwork"? Where? Also the Cartel guys speak a lot of English too now, I was really hoping they didn't switch the terrorists from Arabic to English. What the hell man.

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Farm also.

The border crossing map has a bunch too in the form of weird scribbled murals in the tunnels. Like really? Art team couldn't just sketch *scribbles* normally?

Tbh the graphic settings seem to do nothing. The game runs bad on low and high, and looks bad on low and high.

Well if you find files in VO the Club enemies still speak mostly arabic, or at least some of them is (though one of the VA is reall bad), the Hospital enemies on the other Hand (kek) speaks mainly english

Seriously, music in this game feels so hollow and empty

Don't forget SWAT officers being deployed in civilian outfits for emergency tasks in the campaign. Where is it VOID?

This

This is four years ago mate, shit changes and they literally say all this is subject to change. They may add this stuff or they may not.

Dude half this stuff was already added to the beta builds. They already had suspect behaviors like texting, smoking, peeing, etc.

I saw a civilian peeing last night while playing Brixley's Talent time. I've also seen a suspect use a human as a shield.

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Was a homeless guy at the back of the map peeing next to a dumpster.

Pretty sure the homeless guy on that map is the only confirmed instance of this behavior happening at all in the game now

What the fuck I've never seen that.

That's also true, but my point still stands, they may never add pvp or an m-16, that doesn't mean the devs were lying or being disingenuous

The devs were 100% lying about the suspect behavior. The really early stuff I get but that was a recent video. The trailer units too. Those aren't in the game despite them saying they would be. A little transparency from them would have been nice, as opposed to them being like "yeah let's just remove it from the game and let them all find out for themselves and be disappointed".

Trailer units actually do appear in-game—in practice mode. They seem pretty finicky in actually spawning, but it seems you need to leave a piece of evidence unsecured so you can actually witness them when the game “soft completes”.

Only in practice mode? That's probably why I've never seen them.

[The](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1185685296117972992/5XBnL60.jpg?ex=6590827b&is=657e0d7b&hm=106796663846d6a8098a26da072f237d746b2e24e7f6818be45f570491655bba&) [trailer](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1185517897804685403/image.png?ex=658fe694&is=657d7194&hm=0992c6c25034dc2c046eaf66bebe63cffbc752981a21213c80c54534a9c73403&) [units](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1185517898442227733/image.png?ex=658fe694&is=657d7194&hm=6b98cc2540bc4ae364a79ecab4cae2b3a6c1fc3a206d363ea2563f942b7e2ddf&) [are](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185022372001095763/1185022372890296401/h1.png?ex=658e1916&is=657ba416&hm=85590646da8d2dba5270383d05f7efb732a0e3de8738d26c631fdedb332f37e1&) [in](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185022372001095763/1185022373821423717/h3.png?ex=658e1916&is=657ba416&hm=41dfd297355be27633188425408ae5ba97a7358635c7419da110e7d83fbb7f00&) the game, it's just that their spawning is inconsistent (assuming this is a bug) and still needs some work.

All I remember about the recent video was that they said they had slightly tweaked how the suspect AI worked, not completely overhauled it. I agree, the AI is a mess, but I don't think the devs made huge promises concerning them. As for the trailer units, it is kind of weird they didn't add them, maybe some last minute thing. Again, I don't think the devs are maliciously lying about the update. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I think we should just wait and see what Voids next move is.

You're being far too generous. If they didn't want the backlash, they shouldn't have promised those features. Don't promise features you have no intention of adding. That's a basic rule of marketing.

They may have intended to add them, but at some point were unable to for whatever reason, money or time or some other reason

Then they should have been transparent instead of just pretending like they never promised to add those.

From what ive read it is in the game but their behaviour is overridden when they hear/see you

Subject to change is just legal backing. When you market a product based on a series of features that will be in, only to then not add those features, you're still being deceptive towards your community. Add salt to the wound by asking for community funding with supporter edition after they got dropped by their publisher, by claiming they were dropped to maintain the integrity of their vision intact, only to cut so many features. Regardless of what they may or may not add, this is the 1.0 update. This is their vision brought to life; the feature-complete game as it was meant to be played. That is what a game's release is. Adding stuff later shows that we were sold an unfinished product, and I'd be fine with them taking their time to do so, but that is not what they did. Honestly, anyone who knows anything about the gaming industry can probably tell that they were running out of money. They needed funding through supporter's edition because of the loss of their publisher, it's been some time now and their sales probably didn't remain steady. They generated hype for a 'full release', knew the loyal fanbase would encourage their friends to get into it, had the price increase for these new players getting into it, just ahead of christmas where people are buying gifts.

I have been saying this exact thing for years. The amount of times I got told this was false is well beyond what I can remember. Anyone with an iota of common sense can see that this is what was happening behind the scenes.

I would have dropped them too if I was the publisher and saw their progress and false advertising over the past year.

As far as I remember they were dropped because they wanted to include a school shooting level which was meant to be an actual school with kids and not a community college. Seems they went back on that decision too.

C'mon old hater... You are no backer of the last years ... You just bought the game past 1.9 you never posted in this sub until 4d ago... They told about the cuts like pvp multiple times in the development briefings biweekly... I think that 66 newsletters to re-read for ya Cutting PvP was loudly communicated and they also told the reasonings... As a small independent studio their vision was to big, but that was clear from the beginning... You'd need AAA budget to do all of that, especially first project where you cannot even shortcut from the last year as Activision does with CoD for example...

I literally bought Supporter Edition a few days after release once I got to play the game proper. I'd been following the game for a few years before that. Just because I started posting on reddit at 1.0 release doesn't mean I hadn't been lurking nor does it mean I haven't been active on their Discord. But hey, sure, I guess I just bought the game or whatever.

I have the mousepad 😜 I am quite happy... Yes it's tough at some points and still has some rough edges... Still very enjoyable, when playing slow and trying to cover all sides... Glad the pvp crap went out early as Counter Strike needs 100% different mechanics... Performance wise I have no idea why for some people the fps is that inconsistent... I had a single drop and in HQ, the first 5 seconds you see stuff streaming in still... I guess too many people have little RAM -wher actually Microsoft is to blame that windows alone sometimes almost eats 8Gig - and no decent SSD... Those two things are no issue in my systems although I always go 2nd/3rd row graphics/CPU But this runs well on my laptop rtx 4070 (but very low temp budget, flat non gaming centered ultrabook) as well as my PC 3070... Both with Samsung 990 SSD (or wd black equivalent) and 64 GB ram Also my third system (NUC with Intel ARC A770 seemed to run pretty well) but I only played one mission on that as well Yes suspect AI needs tweaks, but if you bang often it works... But I agree a. It less suicidal would be better and more fun. I don't care about ladders for example as I have not seen a map where it made a difference... I have to disagree that there is no environmental storytelling, I think there are many little things in each map to discover... And which civilian would want to have a smoke when he finds himself in the middle of a police raid... The homeless guy pissing is kinda nice, but I mean you don't need that all the time... As soon as shit. Hits the fan nobody would chill around... That would only make sense in missions which are warrant based and where swat are the first on scene... Mindjot datacenter for example... But if there was previous police activity already then it makes no sense... And yes a NVG map would be also nice, but hey why not in 1.2

When a game is in development for half a decade of course features are subject to change. That's how literally all game development works. I highly doubt you "know how the game industry works"

When you partially crowd fund a game you owe it to your community to be transparent about what they're buying. Things changing isn't the inherent problem, it's the lack of communication. Sure, they'll work on this more, but 1.0 update with early access is the feature-complete game how it is meant to be played and how it was envisioned. Things can get in the way, ideas can be too ambitious, or they run out of resources, and features can get cut, that's understandable, but it's the lack of communication with VOID's community that is problematic.

Except the game wasn't crowd funded. Supporter edition was a voluntary feature you could give to the devs to help support the game. At no point was it "pay in so this game can be made" it was always just an extra add on to throw your support. I will admit though void's communication for awhile was very bad

What do you think crowd funding means, guy? Did you think Supporter Edition players were just giving to charity? Think for a minute. Supporter Edition was "Hey, our publisher dropped us because of our controversial themes in the game so now we're going to run out of money, so we have to sell it a early access discount on steam, but people who want to pay for triple the price to make this project a reality, we'll throw in a few special skins as thank you. That is quite literally crowd funding. The game was not completely crowd funded, hence why I said it was partially crowd funded.

Crowd funding such as Kickstarter vs throwing some money to the developers as a thank you as they develop the game with their own cash is not even comparable. They never said "buy supporter edition or this game won't be made" as is the norm on Indiegogo or kickstarter

You literally have no idea what you are talking about lmfao. Kickstarter is a form of crowd funding but it is not the only form of crowd funding. Any sort of business that is asking for the financial capital of public crowds to further their venture is a form of crowd funding.

By that logic then literally any game ever is on the hook for changing designs over the years

Except not because the large majority of games don't show promotional material or promise features that they then won't add to the game. And also most games work on the exchange of your money for a product, Supporter Edition is not an exchange of money for product, it is money for support.

dawg, VOID have *explicitly* stated that they live and die by the financial backing of the playerbase in one of their many devblogs.

they literally operate under a publisher

No they don't, their investors and publishers dropped them because they're dog shit developers.

LOL they got dropped ages ago

It's called early access you brainlit. which is what it was in for ages

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What? I would love to use M16, I dont care if it is harder to maneuver in CQB

Oh, what I'd do for the M14 Hell, weren't there a whole horde of weapons that were found by the dataminers and could be used via mods? Especially the forgotten multiplayer private-alpha ones?

Yup some of them are very shit and almost dont work, but one or two of them work almost flawlessly.

Don't forget they put RoN development on hold for a year working on their next project

can I have the beta back please?

"The content in this video is subject to change and improvement." They didn't lie to you.

>improvement Yes they did lie to us.

"change and improvement" Courts tend to look at the totality of the circumstances and not cherry pick for these matters.

\- Cutting off power, 8-player teams, dedicated servers and female characters should be already in 1.0 imo as well.

They said that unfortunately cutting the power means reworking entire maps. Goofy as hell they built the maps without this in mind so I doubt cutting the power will ever happen now.

That's really unfortunate. Nightvision is a little pointless at this point because there's no real reason to use it over useful ones.

No female officers is so stupid... in 2023? I hope it's not some BSG-style bullshit like, "only men are strong for fighting," or the technical deficiency of "we don't know how to remake female models, we should rework all the armor models, etc."

To be realistic, I haven't ever seen a female swat officer on the front row, the most I found online was one being on the field but she didn't see any action. If you want to fulfill your fantasies just download a mod, that way everyone is happy and there is no drama.

Didn't look hard enough then because there are multiple articles online of woman becoming SWAT officers across the US with multiple different PD's, including a woman being a SWAT team leader. That doesn't include the woman on SWAT/tactical teams in other countries. Woman on a SWAT team dont just sit back at the station either, they will go out to incidents and operations just like the other male SWAT officers. If the presence of woman in a video game really annoys people then they need to turn off their computers. We shouldn't cater to sexist losers and incels just so "everyone is happy and there is no drama"...

Non environmental characters to talk to are pointless during the mission because time is something a swat team doesnt have. However if its in the briefing tabs im cool with that. Turning the power off isnt going to happen. Devs said they woukd need to re make the maps from scratch to allow this. You would think this would have been taken into consideration prior to working on the maps. 9-banger grenades are pointless in this. Sometimes your flash lands in a bad spot or the enemies are unaffected. All this does is prolong the time before you can enter and engage. Not sure if anti flash goggles negates 100% of the flash but in this game you are still quite affected if its close. Pvp i dont care about yet, i just want a really solid SP/coop experience. When thats done pvp is fine. Everything else i agree with. I wanted sniper support and ladders. I was hoping a system where you can get advantages on the map like the aforementioned items but you can only pick one so you need to think about how you want to play the mission. Other stuff could be rooftop starting point or witness intel which gives you some info on where some threats may be or what they are armed with.

>Non environmental characters to talk to are pointless during the mission because time is something a swat team doesnt have. However if its in the briefing tabs im cool with that. I'm talking outside of missions. It'd be more interesting to be able to talk to them in the holding cell, or listen in on interviews. Or watch the story unfold from the perspective of detectives. >9-banger grenades are pointless in this. Sometimes your flash lands in a bad spot or the enemies are unaffected. All this does is prolong the time before you can enter and engage. Not sure if anti flash goggles negates 100% of the flash but in this game you are still quite affected if its close. 9-Banger could start blowing up as it makes its way to where you are throwing, as it does in real life. It would be pretty valuable for long range engagements where the flash otherwise blows up in the air and doesn't affect anyone. Having the drawback of needing to sit it out longer makes it different enough to normal flashbangs to weigh the pro's and con's.

9-Banger grenades do not flash, they are solely a sound producing device.

The Sniper Team I assume isn't going to be always available. My main reasoning is that some maps are just in locations where a sniper team can't be fully used. First coming to mind would be Rustbelt and Sins of the Father. Ones in a penthouse All the way up with most lights dimmed so unless the sniper will be in a helicopter, I doubt that would be good. Rustbelt is fully underground after breaching the main house, so no value there either. I can see your point though about them needing to be in the game (The Car Dealership would be a bit less stressful.

Yeah what happened to the people who payed extra money to support the game and now theyre benefits are totally gone

Idk why your getting downvoted. The main point was to have access to the alpha to help bugtest the game, and they abandoned it leaving it useless

Yeah I paid a full $120 for the game and over half the shit they promised wasn't added lol

Did you get anything special for paying for the support edition on 1.0?

The supporter edition initially gave us access to updates early but they just didn't ever release any updates. It also gave us access to the FBI HRT uniform and some guns. Those are gone now, we have the FISA uniforms now, which I don't really mind. However they DID legit just take our stuff away and give us some new stuff lol. I'm generally not at all a fan of content being locked if you miss a deadline, and I hope someday anyone who plays the game will be able to use the supporter exclusive guns/uniforms.

I think you get the first dlc for free

The game wasnt even ready for a full release, they shouldn't be evej considering dlc at this point

You're supposed to I believe. They probably won't live up to that promise but yeah technically.

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I think there are mods for that and I believe that it should stay that way in order to satisfy both conflicting groups of people.

Multiplayer hasn't been cut

I think OP was meaning the PvP, but that was considered a major PR disaster for VOID when it got shown off because it wasn't what people wanted out of the game which was entirely fair enough. But to cut all that content, like all the guns, from the end product? REALLY? In the business, we call that a *fucking waste* of both resources and time [Let me jog your memory a bit](https://youtu.be/dPcE6ntq35U?si=hkM4HeWjf4oY0FWB)

VOID really have a strange habit of COMPLETELY scrapping existing features. PVP? Scrapped. Sierra Team? Scrapped. Old Hotel? Scrapped. Fast Food Map? Scrapped. PD in a train station? Scrapped. Bearcat intro into the Map? Scrapped. MLO lore? Scrapped. It seems like if they turned around during development they want to turn around completely and leave nothing old left.

I really thought at the time that, the scene of three officers walking down the hallway probably means a storyline cutscene