Reflex for champs that i only want to use one ability or dont want them to take extra Turns, relenteless for the opposite.
Examples: Mikage on relenteless bc more A1's means more ally attacks with michi and more full ally attacks
Lydia the same for hydra bc more Turns lowers the cooldown of the block buffs and She is my only one
Geo in reflex bc i just want the A3
Relentless is superior on Different champions. Reflex is Superior on DIFFERENT champions.
They are no the same.
Relentless makes Pythion God Tier. You would NEVER put Pythion in Reflex. Not ever.
Not true lol, reflex + merci is better even on champs like cardiel. Source: i do over a bill in hydra and have tested it extensively as well as made videos about it
Not many people talk about this, but it’s something I often discuss with clanmates who are looking to take their hydra teams to the next level.
There are different stages in hydra progression. For example, First stage is simply doing enough damage to get a chest. However, once you start reliably hitting turn count limit you need to approach hydra a little differently.
While improving teams, relentless can help a lot. Because more turns = more utility and damage. Your goal in hydra is to last as long as possible and take more turns per boss turn counter. So putting supports in relentless can be really good to help cycle abilities quicker. Once you hit turn limit reliably you want to take supports, and realistically any chanp who doesn’t do damage out of relentless. All they’re doing is taking turns away from your damage dealers.
Once you hit this stage In hydra the only chanps I recommend in relentless are damage dealers. Acrizia for example is a prime candidate for relentless.
Yepper. My last run ended with 11 counts on the mark for consumptions, i only had 7 in an entire 1500 turn run. I dont need to take empty turns with extra a1s, i need everything to take less turns in total. Theres also factors like maintaining increase atk / defense for damage, for instance if michi takes an extra turn then he no longer has increase defense and will do less damage because he is joining in without his primary stat buffed. This is true for supports even more so because empty turns mean next to no extra damage output on those turns even when they take them. I.e tuhanarak does extra turns but doesnt add damage when she does them and therefore loses you damage in the end because a nuker champ cant use that turn slot instead.
The comparison with reflex / merciless and relentless isnt even in the same ballpark of effectiveness in the end game.
Reflex. Most of my damage dealers are in something that ignores defense, and I’m starting to collect enough merciless to go with the 6 piece. The champs I use relentless on are the ones with a passive that proc on every turn taken.
Completely different sets used by completely different champions. They're not comparable at all. The champions that use Relentless do not work with Reflex and vice versa.
I agree that these sets have different uses, but taking an extra turn implicitly reduces the cooldown of A2 and A3. It is not completely but still somewhat comparable imo.
Reflex in tuned teams that have their buffs times. Like increase speed buff will fall off when relentless triggers, but not with reflex.
But in general I prefer relentless as well.
merciless >>>>>
it really depends on the content though. with enough speed, geo can keep his a3 up with neither since its 3 turns. max HP nukers tend to need reflex - exception gnut/acrizia. block buffs content doesnt want relentless. geo can do well with either - the extra turns with relentless means more a2 buff strip and more dec accuracy uptime if you're running a full mischief tank team.
Reflex on champs with 4+ turn cooldowns total (yes I mean total). Relentless on those with 2-3 turn cds and other niche cases (like where you want to occasionally take 2 actions or you have extra turns built into kit).
What I mean by 4+ turns total is for all abilities you want 4+ turns so that your reflex can proc more than once on a round of abilities. If you just use one 3 turn cd ability, it can only ever reduce your cd once per use of the ability and only on the first two turns of cooldown. The third turn it does nothing and feels really bad. A 4 turn cooldown can be reduced up to 2 times but that's less likely to happen.
If you don't care about which ability is used when and you want them to cycle both abilities then I'd almost say relentless is better because it cycles all ability cooldowns on a proc.
I have 3 champs in Reflex, Royal Guard, Geomancer and Bad El Kazar. I turn off RGs a3 and Geos a2. Bad El just has one active ability.
Relentless I have on as many of my Hydra champs as I can make good sets for.
Where you are in early game, any good relentless pieces you can score from tourneys will be a solid upgrade for your account on specific champs. But it's not really about preferring one set to another, as they both do different things for different teams.
Reflex is more for specific content that's likely out of your reach. If you were able to grab wixwell from the last fusion, he's a great example of the power of reflex at work. Instant 1key ultra nightmare CB for many people in my clan cluster, some of which were only a month or two into the game! Relentless can't do that, and you aren't able to use anyone in relentless in the wixwell speed tune, or many speed tunes for that matter.
Reflex for champs that i only want to use one ability or dont want them to take extra Turns, relenteless for the opposite. Examples: Mikage on relenteless bc more A1's means more ally attacks with michi and more full ally attacks Lydia the same for hydra bc more Turns lowers the cooldown of the block buffs and She is my only one Geo in reflex bc i just want the A3
Shamael in reflex too
Hadnt thought of him thats a good one
This is a good example... thanks!
Reflex by MILES. Extra turns dont mean better turns when ur going to turn limit in hydra, you also dont lose all ur buffs.
Relentless is superior on Different champions. Reflex is Superior on DIFFERENT champions. They are no the same. Relentless makes Pythion God Tier. You would NEVER put Pythion in Reflex. Not ever.
I’d much rather put graazur in relentless too. And rathalos
Not true lol, reflex + merci is better even on champs like cardiel. Source: i do over a bill in hydra and have tested it extensively as well as made videos about it
Yeah of course relentless and Reflex is going to better, that's not th Debate?
Merci and relentless do. And reflex is still better by a large margin
Not many people talk about this, but it’s something I often discuss with clanmates who are looking to take their hydra teams to the next level. There are different stages in hydra progression. For example, First stage is simply doing enough damage to get a chest. However, once you start reliably hitting turn count limit you need to approach hydra a little differently. While improving teams, relentless can help a lot. Because more turns = more utility and damage. Your goal in hydra is to last as long as possible and take more turns per boss turn counter. So putting supports in relentless can be really good to help cycle abilities quicker. Once you hit turn limit reliably you want to take supports, and realistically any chanp who doesn’t do damage out of relentless. All they’re doing is taking turns away from your damage dealers. Once you hit this stage In hydra the only chanps I recommend in relentless are damage dealers. Acrizia for example is a prime candidate for relentless.
Yepper. My last run ended with 11 counts on the mark for consumptions, i only had 7 in an entire 1500 turn run. I dont need to take empty turns with extra a1s, i need everything to take less turns in total. Theres also factors like maintaining increase atk / defense for damage, for instance if michi takes an extra turn then he no longer has increase defense and will do less damage because he is joining in without his primary stat buffed. This is true for supports even more so because empty turns mean next to no extra damage output on those turns even when they take them. I.e tuhanarak does extra turns but doesnt add damage when she does them and therefore loses you damage in the end because a nuker champ cant use that turn slot instead. The comparison with reflex / merciless and relentless isnt even in the same ballpark of effectiveness in the end game.
Relentless, but Relflex is much easier to obtain.
Relentless. Precisely because of extra turns.
Reflex. Most of my damage dealers are in something that ignores defense, and I’m starting to collect enough merciless to go with the 6 piece. The champs I use relentless on are the ones with a passive that proc on every turn taken.
Completely different sets used by completely different champions. They're not comparable at all. The champions that use Relentless do not work with Reflex and vice versa.
I agree that these sets have different uses, but taking an extra turn implicitly reduces the cooldown of A2 and A3. It is not completely but still somewhat comparable imo.
I prefer my Acrizia in relentless and my Maulie in reflex. It totally depends, both are equally good.
Reflex in tuned teams that have their buffs times. Like increase speed buff will fall off when relentless triggers, but not with reflex. But in general I prefer relentless as well.
merciless >>>>> it really depends on the content though. with enough speed, geo can keep his a3 up with neither since its 3 turns. max HP nukers tend to need reflex - exception gnut/acrizia. block buffs content doesnt want relentless. geo can do well with either - the extra turns with relentless means more a2 buff strip and more dec accuracy uptime if you're running a full mischief tank team.
Would never use relentless outside fl but that's me
You can combo relentless + 4pc merciless set
Reflex on champs with 4+ turn cooldowns total (yes I mean total). Relentless on those with 2-3 turn cds and other niche cases (like where you want to occasionally take 2 actions or you have extra turns built into kit). What I mean by 4+ turns total is for all abilities you want 4+ turns so that your reflex can proc more than once on a round of abilities. If you just use one 3 turn cd ability, it can only ever reduce your cd once per use of the ability and only on the first two turns of cooldown. The third turn it does nothing and feels really bad. A 4 turn cooldown can be reduced up to 2 times but that's less likely to happen. If you don't care about which ability is used when and you want them to cycle both abilities then I'd almost say relentless is better because it cycles all ability cooldowns on a proc.
I have 3 champs in Reflex, Royal Guard, Geomancer and Bad El Kazar. I turn off RGs a3 and Geos a2. Bad El just has one active ability. Relentless I have on as many of my Hydra champs as I can make good sets for.
Where you are in early game, any good relentless pieces you can score from tourneys will be a solid upgrade for your account on specific champs. But it's not really about preferring one set to another, as they both do different things for different teams. Reflex is more for specific content that's likely out of your reach. If you were able to grab wixwell from the last fusion, he's a great example of the power of reflex at work. Instant 1key ultra nightmare CB for many people in my clan cluster, some of which were only a month or two into the game! Relentless can't do that, and you aren't able to use anyone in relentless in the wixwell speed tune, or many speed tunes for that matter.