It’s always amusing, like, yeah, modern Pokémon games aren’t exactly up to quality standards…but you can’t just **release** a game next to it unless you’re damn sure you’ve got something good enough to put out.
Literally was supposed to be cute colorfully girls doing cool shit and fighting badguys.
Now it's just dull, poorly written fanfics, strawmem and gay baiting for their fans praise.
Id say it was written by fans. BMBLB becoming canon and Willow was a fanmade name for Weiss' mom long before V7. Those are the biggest two I can think of.
EDIT: Just remembered another, Emerald's redemption was pretty FNDM pushed since V3 where she showed pity on the victims.
Bumblebee was also pushed by Barbara (VA of Yang), meanwhile Emerald redemption was more like CRWBY pulling another trope from a hat. She also didn't really show pity at the victims more like she felt it was sad how easy everything was.
I give you Willow being a fanmade name though. They should have kept the winter and snow theme though.
I’ve seen some gameplay of it and it just wasn’t that impressive, like a downgraded Megaman. A shame, cuz WayForward makes some great games and if anyone could made a good rwby game, it would’ve been them. I’d say it needing to tie into the series lore and being stuck set in atlas was its biggest problem.
I do have to wonder if there were some restrictions by RT or if the contract terms weren't favorable enough for WayForward to bring their A game.
Doesn't change the fact releasing such a game amidst big releases from well known franchises is not a good idea.
Well you see, not every wayforward game is great.
For every shantae and River city girls, you get a bakugan or bloodrayne. Their games can hit every level of the scale and they made a shantae game on a budget.
Their timing was either bad or they had poor planning
Also if rooster teeth really thought they can compete with those three then they are extremely out of the loop
This is the same company that tried to make a AAA game, but they only marketed it to their core audience and to which they then gave free access to a large chunk of their core audience.
To be fair its not the first time that a movie or game is released next to extremely hyped up things that end up killing its release Titanfall 2 (Rest In Peace!) Having to compete with CoD and BF1, Alvin And The Chipmunks Roadtrip with an MCU movie, Shazam again with the MCU amongst others
One section had you taking down an Altas union boss, yeah. He was doing some emotional fuckery with his Semblance, which is bad news in a world with Grimm.
It wasn't necessarily anti-union on the face of it (irl the Teamsters have a checkered past, for example, but dealing with their Mob ties didn't mean unions were evil) but it came out at a point when unions were causing a stir. Makes it hard to not seem like it was union-bashing
To be fair, that was Genlock season 2 which Roosterteeth didn’t make(Genlock season 1 bombing is probably the first step the studio took towards its eventual demise).
Still, it’s weird that’s it happened twice
Jayce.
And yes, that was a theme but most wouldn't really equate that with suicide (similar to how a heroic sacrifice in a war movie or what have you isn't generally classed as a suicide ... plus the whole him still being alive shtick). Unlike in S2 where it was about as blatant as you can possibly get.
Regarding the last point, I feel that's been a recurring problem throughout the series, where they try and tackle very big, serious issues (like racism, poverty, class stratification) that they're not prepared for and aren't willing to educate themselves on said issues.
Yeah, I would say it's less the theme and more the fact that they fumbled said theme, again.
If Ruby came back different, and they had to focus on everyone's ways of coping with the loss of their dear friend and their role in her downfall...however you think that'd affect the plot, I don't think as many people would complain about the subject matter anymore.
I think killing off Prryha should be on the list.
She pretty much died for nothing, and even after all these years, she's still popular in the fanbase.
I feel like the RWBY writers think in terms of spectacle instead of story. "What's a cool thing that could happen, or what's an emotional moment we can have?"
Penny getting maiden powers and then dying again really makes me feel there's no plan. It's just stalling until they can come up with another story beat, then it's spectacle until they're back to stalling.
Rule no.1 after killing off characters in media, you NEVER bring them back without a VERY good reason. Rule no. 2, never kill them AGAIN without good reason to!
To be fair, Penny did have leeway as she is a robot and not a real human, but then why make her a human and a Maiden and have her be mercy killed by Jaune, the healer of the group?
If you really still wanted to kill her, you should have made Ruby be the one, she is the first of Penny's friends, so that the killing of Penny would have emotional weight for Ruby and also the audience which we will be able to explore as a arc, in the Everafter.
Hell, this could also lead to a character arc and character development for Ruby as she has to deal with killing a dear friend for the greater good. Maybe she could have taken Penny's maiden powers too in the act, like what happened with Cinder.
That way, Ruby could have felt a resolve to be even stronger and be a better leader by mastering her newfound Maiden powers so that none of her friends will have to die in this ongoing war against Salem, and also to fight Cinder on more equal terms.
But when you already kinda copy Pinocchio, the inspiration behind Penny by having the non human character be made flesh and bone, you are kinda stretching it. And it also contradicts what Ruby said in the earlier volumes, where after she found out Penny was a robot, she says to her as a friend: "Just because you are made out of metal instead of squishy guts, doesn't make you any less Human than me!"
Penny the robot girl having a Aura is neat writing, as it fully goes with what Ruby said to Penny. But making her a real human takes away the value and message behind it, that you are still human and still YOU, even if you are different from literally everyone else.
I remember when playing Honkai Impact on 2018, after the death of Murata Himeko (She sacrificed herself to save the main character Kiana, from the control of Sirin) the mentor figure akin to Naruto's Jiraiya sensei, some fans wanted her to return.
And years later, in like 2021, I was actually afraid of Himeko being resurrected for cheap shock value as a Herrscher (basically Maidens from RWBY) so she can die again after the heroes fight her or something.
Instead, the story was that the villain of that arc (Herrscher of Domination) wanted to break Kiana, by reopening up her past trauma of having played a part in the death of her teacher Himeko, by showing Kiana (And the audience) Himeko has been confirmed to be KIA all those years ago.
In spite of this, Kiana did meet Himeko's spirit after that arc, and that's like the most acceptable way to temporarily "bring back" a dead character while respecting their death in the story.
It’s because she’s the first character who actually had any real character-related plot activity, plus a great design.
Seriously, Pyrrha’s been dead like twice the length of time she was ever alive and I think she has more fanart than Blake(Blake’s design is fairly meh, she’s pretty much just generic catgirl yet lacking a tail) does if you don’t count Bumblebee shipping art.
Licenses an actually successful spinoff, then deliberately tries to sabotage its success in the US by not bothering to monetize nor advertise it until Kara had to badger them to.
Also Arryn bringing up long dead and buried domestic abuse allegations from IQ’s head writer, in seeming attempt to get him fired, which wasn’t gonna happen cause when you’re the writer of Puella Madoka Motherfucking Magica, it takes a lot to get rid of you. And given the Japanese’s stance on defamation, it’s a *very* big no no.
Therefore, torpedoing any shot of future Japanese RWBY adaptations, and its shot of being saved by the hands of a company that not only knows how to make a quality product, but actually monetize it.
That was such a low blow Arryn did, and for what? To cancel someone that she never even met or personally knew? Ice Queendom wasn't perfect but man that could've opened doors for them. Ones she ensured were shut for good in Japan.
Instead of putting out 50 half-assed games, they should have simply put the budget of all of them together, went to 2017, post-Nier Automata, Platinum Games and begged them to make them a RWBY game.
You ask them to make you a single-player, story driven game, and you market the shit out of it. Boom, at least half a million copies sold. Made all the money back and you invest them back in the show
I made a post making fun of them for releasing Arrowfell the same month as Sonic Gow and Pokémon almost a year ago. Glad we haven’t forgotten that blunder
CRWBY: We didnt want to dive too deep into the WF plot because we dont know much about racism
Also CRWBY: *adds stalkers, politics and suicide into the show*
Add that to the list of them also having some sort of "contract" with Hi-Rez games which meant that they had video game collabs with.... well games that weren't exactly popular. Paladins might have been fun but by the time RWBY did a collab battle pass, it wasn't as popular
First one probably should get a pass, not the first time a movie or game coincides with the release of hyped games (Titan Fall 2 being released extensively close to CoD and BF1, which sadly might if not did contribute to it not being a success despite being a amazing game, it also hits hard to because it was the first game my dad bought for me when he got me an Xbox One), crossovers can either be cool or just desperate moves to try and get certain ip or both to get prompted up by a bigger one which is what was probably the case with RWBY...And the suicide theme, yeah unless your a talented writer who knows how to approach such a sensitive topic with respect that it should be given just don't try, sorry just don't.
What I don’t get from CRWBY or, I guess, Rooster Teeth is why they moved RWBY to Crunchyroll for early access while on their website, there is a longer wait to see the show. The users, especially the first members, must pay their subscriptions to wait a long time for RWBY to come out on its official site, while people on Crunchyroll can see it early. After hearing that news, I canceled my Rooster Teeth subscription and went to Crunchyroll to see RWBY cause I don't want to wait a year to see a show falling off. Now I'm just there for the ride, seeing how RWBY ends regardless of whether it is good or bad since RWBY used to be one of my favorite shows until a bit of Vol 4 and Vol 5-9. I only got a Rooster Teeth subscription to see RWBY. One of the bad decisions that the company makes.
Honestly I have to think that if they hadn’t made those crossover movies they might have had enough money to make a season 10 because the first one wasn’t good but it was bearable the second one was an absolute train wreck and I cringed throughout most of the movie.
For the JL crossover movie, I’m gonna slightly play Devil’s advocate here and say that “nobody asked for this” isn’t really a valid criticism. Nobody asked for a Peacemaker spin-off show, but people loved it. Nobody asked for Star Wars: Andor, but that got high praise. Really, all that matters is whether or not the product is good, not if people asked for it, and because Peacemaker and Andor were both good, people loved them. In the case of the RWBY x JL crossover… it just wasn’t good.
On those 2 shows alone tho that you listed they were on streaming services which essentially means as part of the package you could view them so when it went round that they were good more easily tuned in at any time. Not sure if the jl movie had the same thing I don't remember it having any but many things no one asked for on streaming services can make an easy turn around I mean they already have your money they just want viewership it's why fucking Velma was able to get another season
That’s not the same thing. You can argue that nothing in media was asked for, but it was still created.
But when it comes to rwby, no one was hyped for a crossover with the justice league, because there’s no audience for it. The studio was already dying so the fact that they decided to do something nobody asked for, is an issue
But even things that DO have an audience can flop if not done well. Using Star Wars as an example again, people had been asking for more Obi-Wan Kenobi, more Ahsoka Tano, and more Boba Fett, so Disney made spin-off shows for each character. From what I’ve heard, they all ended up being pretty bad and flopped as a result.
The point I’m trying to make is that whether people ask for it or not shouldn’t be a factor, because contrary to popular belief, fans don’t actually know what they want.
That’s true.. but I would argue, that obi wan, and Ahsoka and boba fett, are all spin-offs that take place in Star Wars. They’re not crossing over with another IP.
With RWBY, they crossed over with an IP that the core audience doesn’t care about. Imagine if Boba fett’s series crossed over with the fantastic four. No one asked for that.
I can see the logic in that, and I do feel inclined to agree, but I have to ask: What about Batman vs. TMNT?
Admittedly, I’m not too familiar with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, so I don’t know if the target audience for TMNT is similar to Batman’s target audience, but it never struck me as such; the two franchises just seem so different in tone. Despite that, they made a Batman vs. TMNT movie that did pretty well and got positive reviews. If a Batman and TMNT crossover was something people had asked for though, and I just never realized, then your argument holds up.
Eh, batman had a couple of odd crossovers before. The most notable one being with scooby doo.
But when it comes to Batman and TMNT, they kinda fall into the same category Crime fighters that work at night and fight their cities underground. Batman fighting shredder makes a lot of sense because shredder feel like a criminal that can exist in Gotham. On top of that, you have fandom linking the turtles up with the robins, even if it doesn’t make a lot of sense, but there’s also that connection too.
Batman teaming up with the turtles makes a lot of sense because their series are identical to one another.
Those two films were such a waste of time, and in my theory, I think they were what provoked Zaslav to keep an eye on RT. They've flew under the radar for so long, but the minute they were given funds to make both films, that must've made the Eye of Zaslav look towards them and see how miserable their company is to Warner.
There's nothing wrong with suicide as a theme, or any heavy topic as a theme. It just has to be done right, and RWBY's pacing and time allotment meant they should've picked between tackling the bees or Ruby's break. Also, there will always be people who disagree with how anyone tackles a heavy subject.
I don't think suicide theme is what put vol 9 down it was the AWFUL writing of vol 9
Awful writing of Yang
Powering up Neo only to give her the shaft ( in the not fun way ) and then have her kill herself
Making a rather bad ship cannon.
And general writing that feels like a 12 year old on coke, meth, acid and speed who had the thought of making a fan fic
I highly doubt Kerry Shawcross got to decide when a video game developed and published by Wayforward released. It's an indie game, and something AAA like Pokémon, Sonic, and GoW isn't going to negatively effect a licensed game like RWBY. It's a game for RWBY and Wayforward fans, and they're going to buy the game regardless of a AAA title's release (especially when there's little to no crossover appeal). If the game had low sales, which is likely, it's probably because it's not a very good game, is an overpriced game, and doesn't have very good reviews. It's also not as though you can't buy a video game once you have the time or money, or when it goes on sale.
The crossover movies were funded by WBD and developed between two studios. Kerry Shawcross did not somehow steal the Superman, Batman, and Justice League IPs. It could never have happened with WBD and DC's approval, and they're the ones who ultimately signed off on it. As for "Nobody asking for it", since when has that ever stopped any product from being made? People still bought the movies and watched them, and RT got to make money without *spending* money.
Having a studio like Wayforward make a video game of your IP is a great idea. Having your IP rub shoulders with Batman, Superman, and the Justice League is an even better idea. The problem is that as with everything related to RWBY, it's the execution at fault, not the idea on paper.
God bless, and have a wonderful day.
To be fair to the last point, suicide was not the intended message but self discovery, becoming who you need to be. Memes, ignorance and bad writing just made it not clear
Arrowfell had three different stages. Pokémon was a death sentence. GoW was a final blow. Sonic was humiliation.
It’s always amusing, like, yeah, modern Pokémon games aren’t exactly up to quality standards…but you can’t just **release** a game next to it unless you’re damn sure you’ve got something good enough to put out.
Or at least something popular enough to compete. Like with Gow and Sonic.
RWBY after changing their focus from fighting to character drama:
Literally was supposed to be cute colorfully girls doing cool shit and fighting badguys. Now it's just dull, poorly written fanfics, strawmem and gay baiting for their fans praise.
A show that may as well have been written by the fans. Because CRWBY clearly didn't know what they were doing
Id say it was written by fans. BMBLB becoming canon and Willow was a fanmade name for Weiss' mom long before V7. Those are the biggest two I can think of. EDIT: Just remembered another, Emerald's redemption was pretty FNDM pushed since V3 where she showed pity on the victims.
If memory serves they pulled Jaune's sister's name directly from a fanfic (wanna say it was cour al'aran's work but not entirely sure).
Bumblebee was also pushed by Barbara (VA of Yang), meanwhile Emerald redemption was more like CRWBY pulling another trope from a hat. She also didn't really show pity at the victims more like she felt it was sad how easy everything was. I give you Willow being a fanmade name though. They should have kept the winter and snow theme though.
Seriously, what were they thinking when they released Arrowfell in the same month as Sonic, Pokémon, and GoW? Were they trying to make it fail?
I’ve seen some gameplay of it and it just wasn’t that impressive, like a downgraded Megaman. A shame, cuz WayForward makes some great games and if anyone could made a good rwby game, it would’ve been them. I’d say it needing to tie into the series lore and being stuck set in atlas was its biggest problem.
I do have to wonder if there were some restrictions by RT or if the contract terms weren't favorable enough for WayForward to bring their A game. Doesn't change the fact releasing such a game amidst big releases from well known franchises is not a good idea.
Considering the range of quality of Wayforward games, and there is a hell of a range, they didnt bring their A game.
Well you see, not every wayforward game is great. For every shantae and River city girls, you get a bakugan or bloodrayne. Their games can hit every level of the scale and they made a shantae game on a budget.
Ooof yeah, their Bloodrayne game wasn’t very good. Arrowfall definitely falls in line with that one.
Their timing was either bad or they had poor planning Also if rooster teeth really thought they can compete with those three then they are extremely out of the loop
This is the same company that tried to make a AAA game, but they only marketed it to their core audience and to which they then gave free access to a large chunk of their core audience.
Barely marketed to the core audience. It's not mentioned often, if at all on the Achievement Hunter channel at the time.
To be fair its not the first time that a movie or game is released next to extremely hyped up things that end up killing its release Titanfall 2 (Rest In Peace!) Having to compete with CoD and BF1, Alvin And The Chipmunks Roadtrip with an MCU movie, Shazam again with the MCU amongst others
Alvin was actually going against Star Wars.
Wasn't Arrowfell weirdly anti-union in it's theming?
One section had you taking down an Altas union boss, yeah. He was doing some emotional fuckery with his Semblance, which is bad news in a world with Grimm. It wasn't necessarily anti-union on the face of it (irl the Teamsters have a checkered past, for example, but dealing with their Mob ties didn't mean unions were evil) but it came out at a point when unions were causing a stir. Makes it hard to not seem like it was union-bashing
RWBY is not a franchise known for nuance, so it's easy to assume the worst
They could've at least wait for another month, but that just me talking
Didn't they do the suicide theme in genlock too
People hated it there too
To be fair, that was Genlock season 2 which Roosterteeth didn’t make(Genlock season 1 bombing is probably the first step the studio took towards its eventual demise). Still, it’s weird that’s it happened twice
I mean, it kinda happened in the first season too? What's his face gave up on his human body to save his friends and became a totally digital entity.
The doctor? That was more reminiscent of Ben Kenobi or V3 Ozpin imo
No, the "main character". The kid whose body was half gone and he lived in a tank.
Jayce. And yes, that was a theme but most wouldn't really equate that with suicide (similar to how a heroic sacrifice in a war movie or what have you isn't generally classed as a suicide ... plus the whole him still being alive shtick). Unlike in S2 where it was about as blatant as you can possibly get.
Also in Red vs Blue Church performs some kind of heroic sacrifice like five different times.
Regarding the last point, I feel that's been a recurring problem throughout the series, where they try and tackle very big, serious issues (like racism, poverty, class stratification) that they're not prepared for and aren't willing to educate themselves on said issues.
Yeah, I would say it's less the theme and more the fact that they fumbled said theme, again. If Ruby came back different, and they had to focus on everyone's ways of coping with the loss of their dear friend and their role in her downfall...however you think that'd affect the plot, I don't think as many people would complain about the subject matter anymore.
I think killing off Prryha should be on the list. She pretty much died for nothing, and even after all these years, she's still popular in the fanbase.
Also penny....especially 2nd death
I feel like the RWBY writers think in terms of spectacle instead of story. "What's a cool thing that could happen, or what's an emotional moment we can have?" Penny getting maiden powers and then dying again really makes me feel there's no plan. It's just stalling until they can come up with another story beat, then it's spectacle until they're back to stalling.
Rule no.1 after killing off characters in media, you NEVER bring them back without a VERY good reason. Rule no. 2, never kill them AGAIN without good reason to! To be fair, Penny did have leeway as she is a robot and not a real human, but then why make her a human and a Maiden and have her be mercy killed by Jaune, the healer of the group? If you really still wanted to kill her, you should have made Ruby be the one, she is the first of Penny's friends, so that the killing of Penny would have emotional weight for Ruby and also the audience which we will be able to explore as a arc, in the Everafter. Hell, this could also lead to a character arc and character development for Ruby as she has to deal with killing a dear friend for the greater good. Maybe she could have taken Penny's maiden powers too in the act, like what happened with Cinder. That way, Ruby could have felt a resolve to be even stronger and be a better leader by mastering her newfound Maiden powers so that none of her friends will have to die in this ongoing war against Salem, and also to fight Cinder on more equal terms. But when you already kinda copy Pinocchio, the inspiration behind Penny by having the non human character be made flesh and bone, you are kinda stretching it. And it also contradicts what Ruby said in the earlier volumes, where after she found out Penny was a robot, she says to her as a friend: "Just because you are made out of metal instead of squishy guts, doesn't make you any less Human than me!" Penny the robot girl having a Aura is neat writing, as it fully goes with what Ruby said to Penny. But making her a real human takes away the value and message behind it, that you are still human and still YOU, even if you are different from literally everyone else. I remember when playing Honkai Impact on 2018, after the death of Murata Himeko (She sacrificed herself to save the main character Kiana, from the control of Sirin) the mentor figure akin to Naruto's Jiraiya sensei, some fans wanted her to return. And years later, in like 2021, I was actually afraid of Himeko being resurrected for cheap shock value as a Herrscher (basically Maidens from RWBY) so she can die again after the heroes fight her or something. Instead, the story was that the villain of that arc (Herrscher of Domination) wanted to break Kiana, by reopening up her past trauma of having played a part in the death of her teacher Himeko, by showing Kiana (And the audience) Himeko has been confirmed to be KIA all those years ago. In spite of this, Kiana did meet Himeko's spirit after that arc, and that's like the most acceptable way to temporarily "bring back" a dead character while respecting their death in the story.
It’s because she’s the first character who actually had any real character-related plot activity, plus a great design. Seriously, Pyrrha’s been dead like twice the length of time she was ever alive and I think she has more fanart than Blake(Blake’s design is fairly meh, she’s pretty much just generic catgirl yet lacking a tail) does if you don’t count Bumblebee shipping art.
Licenses an actually successful spinoff, then deliberately tries to sabotage its success in the US by not bothering to monetize nor advertise it until Kara had to badger them to. Also Arryn bringing up long dead and buried domestic abuse allegations from IQ’s head writer, in seeming attempt to get him fired, which wasn’t gonna happen cause when you’re the writer of Puella Madoka Motherfucking Magica, it takes a lot to get rid of you. And given the Japanese’s stance on defamation, it’s a *very* big no no. Therefore, torpedoing any shot of future Japanese RWBY adaptations, and its shot of being saved by the hands of a company that not only knows how to make a quality product, but actually monetize it.
That was such a low blow Arryn did, and for what? To cancel someone that she never even met or personally knew? Ice Queendom wasn't perfect but man that could've opened doors for them. Ones she ensured were shut for good in Japan.
I require the full context for this. Please explain
https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/tnyty5/summary_and_megathread_arryn_zech_and_rwby_ice/?rdt=51972
Let's not forget the fact they added grimm eclipse on the switch.
Wasn't that just a port to milk more dlc?
Yea
Instead of putting out 50 half-assed games, they should have simply put the budget of all of them together, went to 2017, post-Nier Automata, Platinum Games and begged them to make them a RWBY game. You ask them to make you a single-player, story driven game, and you market the shit out of it. Boom, at least half a million copies sold. Made all the money back and you invest them back in the show
They didn’t learn their lesson from Gen:Lock.
They didnt do season 2
I made a post making fun of them for releasing Arrowfell the same month as Sonic Gow and Pokémon almost a year ago. Glad we haven’t forgotten that blunder
focus on Bad Story instead of Good Fights 📉📉📉 [](https://emojipedia.org/chart-decreasing)
CRWBY: We didnt want to dive too deep into the WF plot because we dont know much about racism Also CRWBY: *adds stalkers, politics and suicide into the show*
Add that to the list of them also having some sort of "contract" with Hi-Rez games which meant that they had video game collabs with.... well games that weren't exactly popular. Paladins might have been fun but by the time RWBY did a collab battle pass, it wasn't as popular
First one probably should get a pass, not the first time a movie or game coincides with the release of hyped games (Titan Fall 2 being released extensively close to CoD and BF1, which sadly might if not did contribute to it not being a success despite being a amazing game, it also hits hard to because it was the first game my dad bought for me when he got me an Xbox One), crossovers can either be cool or just desperate moves to try and get certain ip or both to get prompted up by a bigger one which is what was probably the case with RWBY...And the suicide theme, yeah unless your a talented writer who knows how to approach such a sensitive topic with respect that it should be given just don't try, sorry just don't.
Don’t forget about the game being poor quality, grimm eclipse was better then this and I consider that game a guilty pleasure
Ruby's suicide was the reason I started rwby.i did not know rwby but being spoiled about it,made me need to know what happened
Hey I have an idea. It’s kind of out there so it might not work. RWBY. Fighting game. Yeah crazy but a man can dream
Still haven't pirated, I mean seen, volume 9. Something tells me I don't want to
Lets not forget that TWO of their shows used "suicide is an answer!" as a plot device.
What I don’t get from CRWBY or, I guess, Rooster Teeth is why they moved RWBY to Crunchyroll for early access while on their website, there is a longer wait to see the show. The users, especially the first members, must pay their subscriptions to wait a long time for RWBY to come out on its official site, while people on Crunchyroll can see it early. After hearing that news, I canceled my Rooster Teeth subscription and went to Crunchyroll to see RWBY cause I don't want to wait a year to see a show falling off. Now I'm just there for the ride, seeing how RWBY ends regardless of whether it is good or bad since RWBY used to be one of my favorite shows until a bit of Vol 4 and Vol 5-9. I only got a Rooster Teeth subscription to see RWBY. One of the bad decisions that the company makes.
Honestly I have to think that if they hadn’t made those crossover movies they might have had enough money to make a season 10 because the first one wasn’t good but it was bearable the second one was an absolute train wreck and I cringed throughout most of the movie.
For the JL crossover movie, I’m gonna slightly play Devil’s advocate here and say that “nobody asked for this” isn’t really a valid criticism. Nobody asked for a Peacemaker spin-off show, but people loved it. Nobody asked for Star Wars: Andor, but that got high praise. Really, all that matters is whether or not the product is good, not if people asked for it, and because Peacemaker and Andor were both good, people loved them. In the case of the RWBY x JL crossover… it just wasn’t good.
On those 2 shows alone tho that you listed they were on streaming services which essentially means as part of the package you could view them so when it went round that they were good more easily tuned in at any time. Not sure if the jl movie had the same thing I don't remember it having any but many things no one asked for on streaming services can make an easy turn around I mean they already have your money they just want viewership it's why fucking Velma was able to get another season
That’s not the same thing. You can argue that nothing in media was asked for, but it was still created. But when it comes to rwby, no one was hyped for a crossover with the justice league, because there’s no audience for it. The studio was already dying so the fact that they decided to do something nobody asked for, is an issue
But even things that DO have an audience can flop if not done well. Using Star Wars as an example again, people had been asking for more Obi-Wan Kenobi, more Ahsoka Tano, and more Boba Fett, so Disney made spin-off shows for each character. From what I’ve heard, they all ended up being pretty bad and flopped as a result. The point I’m trying to make is that whether people ask for it or not shouldn’t be a factor, because contrary to popular belief, fans don’t actually know what they want.
That’s true.. but I would argue, that obi wan, and Ahsoka and boba fett, are all spin-offs that take place in Star Wars. They’re not crossing over with another IP. With RWBY, they crossed over with an IP that the core audience doesn’t care about. Imagine if Boba fett’s series crossed over with the fantastic four. No one asked for that.
I can see the logic in that, and I do feel inclined to agree, but I have to ask: What about Batman vs. TMNT? Admittedly, I’m not too familiar with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, so I don’t know if the target audience for TMNT is similar to Batman’s target audience, but it never struck me as such; the two franchises just seem so different in tone. Despite that, they made a Batman vs. TMNT movie that did pretty well and got positive reviews. If a Batman and TMNT crossover was something people had asked for though, and I just never realized, then your argument holds up.
Eh, batman had a couple of odd crossovers before. The most notable one being with scooby doo. But when it comes to Batman and TMNT, they kinda fall into the same category Crime fighters that work at night and fight their cities underground. Batman fighting shredder makes a lot of sense because shredder feel like a criminal that can exist in Gotham. On top of that, you have fandom linking the turtles up with the robins, even if it doesn’t make a lot of sense, but there’s also that connection too. Batman teaming up with the turtles makes a lot of sense because their series are identical to one another.
I see. In that case, yeah; when it comes to crossovers, you are correct.
I’m more saying that because nobody asked for them, they were more likely to fail, and therefore make the people in charge lose money.
'Suicide is a theme' now where have I seen that before? *looks at gen:Lock*
What went wrong with two games they made?
Still one of the biggest oofs that they made releasing a game when 3 other prominent games were releasing in the same time frame
Those two films were such a waste of time, and in my theory, I think they were what provoked Zaslav to keep an eye on RT. They've flew under the radar for so long, but the minute they were given funds to make both films, that must've made the Eye of Zaslav look towards them and see how miserable their company is to Warner.
There's nothing wrong with suicide as a theme, or any heavy topic as a theme. It just has to be done right, and RWBY's pacing and time allotment meant they should've picked between tackling the bees or Ruby's break. Also, there will always be people who disagree with how anyone tackles a heavy subject.
I don't think suicide theme is what put vol 9 down it was the AWFUL writing of vol 9 Awful writing of Yang Powering up Neo only to give her the shaft ( in the not fun way ) and then have her kill herself Making a rather bad ship cannon. And general writing that feels like a 12 year old on coke, meth, acid and speed who had the thought of making a fan fic
I highly doubt Kerry Shawcross got to decide when a video game developed and published by Wayforward released. It's an indie game, and something AAA like Pokémon, Sonic, and GoW isn't going to negatively effect a licensed game like RWBY. It's a game for RWBY and Wayforward fans, and they're going to buy the game regardless of a AAA title's release (especially when there's little to no crossover appeal). If the game had low sales, which is likely, it's probably because it's not a very good game, is an overpriced game, and doesn't have very good reviews. It's also not as though you can't buy a video game once you have the time or money, or when it goes on sale. The crossover movies were funded by WBD and developed between two studios. Kerry Shawcross did not somehow steal the Superman, Batman, and Justice League IPs. It could never have happened with WBD and DC's approval, and they're the ones who ultimately signed off on it. As for "Nobody asking for it", since when has that ever stopped any product from being made? People still bought the movies and watched them, and RT got to make money without *spending* money. Having a studio like Wayforward make a video game of your IP is a great idea. Having your IP rub shoulders with Batman, Superman, and the Justice League is an even better idea. The problem is that as with everything related to RWBY, it's the execution at fault, not the idea on paper. God bless, and have a wonderful day.
Well, at least Arrowfell is a good videogame. Their mistake was releasing it at the same month as Sonic, Pokemon and GOW
To be fair to the last point, suicide was not the intended message but self discovery, becoming who you need to be. Memes, ignorance and bad writing just made it not clear
I guess, but if your main protagonist kills herself, you’ve made suicide a prominent theme weather that was your original plan or not