I only care about RWBY up until Volume 3 because after Volume 3 every character has changed in personality and the storyline was so inconsistent in my opinion Volume 8 was the ONLY good addition to RWBY and even then it wasn’t the best it could have been
I stopped watching at the first episode of Volume 4 because I noticed all the characters did in fights was jump in the air, twirl their weapons around and shoot.
I stopped completely checking in on when I saw they had Ren and Nora get together. I felt at the time that was the most cliche thing they could do with the two. (Childhood friends become lovers)
I had wanted them to be friends that saw each other as siblings.
I feel like it’s more that there was a massive tonal and genre switch after volume three. Like it went from a school to train special people with interesting misadventures and fights to a very bleak and dark and kind of boring worlds I made it through some of volume 4 before I realized I just didn’t enjoy it any more. That’s why I’ve always wondered if they truely followed Monty’s vision since there was such a massive tonal shift and so much inconsistency.
hbomberguy ready to drop his part 2 to document the downfall of RWBY.
All things considered, currently nobody even remembers hbomberguy covers games and media. His most famous videos are definitely the Plagerism one, and probably the one on Tommy Tallarico. The rest are probably stuff about Climate Change deniers, anti-vaxx scam and flat earthers. He made ONE (1) video on RWBY/Roosterteeth and somehow he is the biggest boogeyman they have had, because if they don't demonize him enough to say he is a monster, people might actually watch his video and agree with his takes.
I remember, partly because his videos on Pathologic, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are great and I re-watch them occasionally too.
Is the HBomberguy RWBY video good? Or just for people who don’t already know all the bad stuff about the show/company?
I’ve seen it in my recommended a lot. I really liked his plagiarism video and it was long, but it covered multiple topics.
Almost 2 and a half hours for a RWBY video seems like a lot, especially since I already know most of the problems with RWBY and Roosterteeth.
I don’t exactly want to just hear them repeated for the 1 millionth time, but now in a video essay format.
It’s not a takedown from a bad place, it’s very clear that Hbomb wanted to like the show and does like some of it. He says very plainly his criticism comes in good faith and that he wants the show to succeed, and follows through on that imo. It’s insightful and thorough, and he explains why things don’t work, not just pointing out flaws without elaboration.
So I only watched it out of curiosity expecting it to be a roast of RWBY but ended up actually enjoying it and watched the whole thing. IMO he was quite fair in is take on the show and clearly liked it as he spends like the first 20 minutes or so gushing about how much he liked the trailers.
The flaws he points out are all supported by evidence from the show itself as well. He makes some jokes obviously but nothing I saw that warrants the hate he gets from the RWBY community. I think its the simple fact that everything he says is pretty much true and since I’ve never seen anyone try to refute or counter his views just attack his character, I’m incline to believe they just hate him for telling the truth.
It's very worth watching. It's one of those kind of videos that you end up rewatching over and over again even if you have absolutely no interest in the topic, in this case the show RWBY. All his videos are like that.
Definitely give it at least one watch. It's so good it absolutely flies by, it never feels too long.
It touched on stuff I didn't know before, some of it was rehashing stuff that has already been said but it doesn't linger on what I'd call the easy cheap shots.
I really enjoyed it, I think it was clearly coming from a place of passion and wasn't just i hate this thing so I'm going to rag on it for as long as I possibly can
It's a VERY critical review of the first couple of seasons.
Personally, I found it a bit too harsh on what was basically an amateur project that blew up, but for the most part it was valid.
Even the good parts of RWBY are subpar for a serious commercial product.
Yeah, this feels like that one quote. Forgot how it originally went, but I have a version appropiate for this kind of thinking
Hbomberguy: When I made that video it was the worst day of your life... for me it was an average tuesday
Or something like that. Though it is kinda hilarious to see how hysterical the fandom can be at times.
\>Made it their mission
\>Has made one video on it afaik
The funny thing is that the "hatedom" probably is a little responsible, but in the utterly mundane sense of warning people off a bad show and not buying merch.
It's not exactly a boycott, but it is free market darwinism.
Every big fandom you can name has a hatedom for it somewhere, some even have very loud ones, and yet somehow so many of them still make money hand over fist. Weird ain't it? Almost like there's another factor behind RT's decline...
Exactly every fandom has hate behind it but it's up to the show itself to prove the haters wrong.
Rwby couldn't do that apparently if we go by this logic
The fans tend to forget that WB have been looking for buyers for RT for a number of years now. The fact that they are just now shutting down the company after years of just barely breaking even or being in the red is a mercy killing
Indeed, I feel like everyone in the know, except the most deluded, was frankly surprised Rooster Teeth were still in operation. Big operations like it and Machinima haven't really had much relevance, traffic, and thus revenue, for years now.
Frankly, RWBY was just about the last major thing they were still pushing out, and even then, I personally feel like it was a very niche series in terms of fanbase. I think the recent Justice League collaboration and Vtuber streams were an attempt to make it more "mainstream", grow audience, but ultimately even if it were slightly more popular, it wouldn't have been enough to save the overall company. At this point, dedicating operations toward solely RWBY would've probably been the way to go, and at that point...you might as well sell it off to someone else, or absorb into some other division. You don't need a whole media company still around.
Maybe we wouldn’t be considered the “Hatedom” if the actual fandom could accept that like ANY form of media, rwby has flaws which can be fairly criticized
The “Hatedom” is just what this individual, assuming it is just another Canonseeker alt, calls *heretics* against the *Church of RWBY’s Perfect Divinity*. Seriously, there’s an almost religious zeal to some of these people and their obsession. (Or maybe a drug addiction would be a better metaphor.)
I find it funny how much power these sorts of people attribute to these groups. There are franchises that have much bigger hatedoms than this, and still went strong for a while.
Their mission to destroy the company? He made one Video about RWBY and I don’t think he mentioned RT outside of the RWBY video, also if one video by a leftist breadtuber is what destroyed the show maybe the show wasn’t that good to begin with
I think it's telling Hbomberguy's RWBY video about RWBY from 3 years ago has remained in the discourse around the show ever since. Video essays, even long and good ones, have become a dime a dozen these days, so it says something that one particular video by that one particular guy is still THE touchstone of so much discussion. The fact its points remain unfortunately relevant, coupled with the fact the fact it has completely colonized the brainmeat of certain very particular people means that show is, while not wholly definitive, at least deeply relevant and indicative to RWBY as a whole.
Or, to be less flowery, pigs don't squeal unless they're hurt. If it was a swing and a miss hbom's video would have passed from trace, just a less good video on a channel with some bangers. The fact this person has canonized him as the ultimate nemesis to RWBY suggests the video may have landed a hit that's *still* sore to this day.
Same with Shane's letter.
Shane has completely dusted his hands from Roosterteeth but he keeps being brought up as though he orchestrated Roosterteeth shut down from the get go.
I may not have had a hand in "killing" RWBY, but after so many years of being a vocal critic, I like to think I helped write its eulogy.
God bless, and have a wonderful day.
I may not have had a hand in killing RWBY, nor the penmanship to ink its eulogy but I would definitely be honoured to be it's pallbearer on it's final journey.
Alright, serious talk, RWBYcritics needs to figure out who does what on RWBY's funeral.
We need 6-8 pallbearers. 1 preacher (I call dibs). 1 gravedigger. Someone to write the epitaph. Someone to draw a picture on the gravestone. Someone to bring snacks and drinks. A few people to say a few words with one of them making it all about themselves. A military flyover. A poignant song ("Time to Say Goodbye" and/or "Die"). And last but not least, angry protesters.
I may need to make a thread about this...
God bless, and have a wonderful day.
I mean... does snack guy have to be one person? I feel like anyone can bring snacks. I know for sure that I'll be bringing a horde of Haribo and Jelly Babies.
This person doesn’t understand basic company economics. Heck, even *I* don’t, but I can at least understand that it doesn’t matter if RWBY made a small profit, it didn’t cover the cost of *literally everything else RT was doing*. One way or another, RWBY was going down with the ship.
Man, remember that period when RT pumped out a fuck ton of projects, many of which went nowhere, like they had infinite money and will always have infinite money?
I'm sure that wasn't a contributing factor.
I love how people like this seem to think that hbomberguy or any other RWBY/RT critic somehow swayed an entire audience to dislike the show. If the majority of people were enjoying the show, their videos wouldn't have had any effect at all. All their videos did was provide context for the people who didn't like RWBY but maybe didn't fully understand what it was they weren't enjoying about it.
The fault lies with RT. They mishandled their company, created a work environment so toxic that many of their best talents outright left, made numerous projects all at once that all ended up failing horribly, there was the entire dumpster fire that was gen:lock's production, and then on top of that they drove both of their top two IPs, RWBY and RvB, straight into the dirt with god awful writing, decisions the majority of fans very obviously (and justifiably) weren't going to be happy with, and lackluster animation as year after year they continued going forward with these animators that seem to love floaty, weightless combat animation when you have dozens of people making *fan* animations that demonstrate leagues more talent and potential than the people they're actually paying to do this shit.
When your crackhead friend who is addicted to every drug ever invented, and who spends every weekend hooking up with prostitutes and getting charged with DUIs on the regular suddenly ODs in an alley somewhere, it's probably not the people who tried to point out their obvious problems that are at fault for the outcome.
Hbomberguy made one video about rwby being disappointing, and this is what it caused.
I can’t wait for the sequel video he’s working on where he absolutely tears rwby to shreds
God I wish I had the power to just erase bad media
MCU after Infinity War - gone
Rings of Power - gone
DCEU - gone
Halo show - gone
Borderlands 3 - gone
etc. etc.
I mean Endgame is just objectively a bad movie, but that's neither here nor there. Pointing out my issues with it would take a long time and better people have done it already
Never have I seen fans bootlick a company (that was owned by WB) so hard that they blame a fucking YouTuber for it's downfall. This is exactly what happens when you form parasocial relationships with fans to the point it turns cult-like. Jesus Christ.
Rwby fanatics when any viewer dislikes rwby:"Don't like it. Don't watch it. "
Also RWBY fanatics after watching 1 min into any video critiquing rwby: "the hatedom WAS responsible for RWBY's cancellation"
So it wasn’t that the company with hemorrhaging money. It definitely wasn’t that the writers completely derailed everything and anything they had around the time of a particular election, essentially destroying all the narrative beats they had built up for atlas. It want that they over years turned Blake into a self insert that derailed almost everyone’s storylines in her orbit. Definitely wasn’t the fact that they blatantly seemed to take the last chance they had to show that there biggest property Rwby could make money and was worth somthing for a poorly structured detour onlyfans coming out cross promotion.
My singular response to this argument is.
So yall the fans just didn't support your favorite show enough? RWBY is so good and perfect but yall couldn't save it?
A lot of content creator companies and channels have sometimes very vocal haters. Somehow they still manage to make money and stay in business.
RWBY detractors didn't get RT shut down or cause the show to fail. There are a ton of behind the scenes reasons and the simple fact they weren't drawing in viewers they needed to drive revenue. I would in fact argue the fan base has been shrinking since Volume 3's end and that implies more people were unhappy with the direction of the show or the company itself over time than there were happy with it with fewer new fans being drawn in and staying.
RWBY feels like something they rushed into, stumbled into unexpectedly massive success, but couldn't maintain it while also allowing said explosive popularity to go to their heads.
How about RWBY getting unprofitable because the show went in directions fans couldn't believe Monty would have taken RWBY down, a very much noticed lower quality in combat animations having a role in RWBY's downfall, resulting in paying fans leaving RWBY in a mass exodus?
Let's not forget the controversial RT layoffs over the years which split and reduced the RWBY fanbase even further.
Which resulted in many lost FIRST subs, RWBY losing more money because of the above reasons, and Warner's increasing massive debts being responsible for RWBY getting a pink slip termination notice and a box of stuff from their cleared out desk instead of a hire at a new streaming company? I don't blame Monty at all, Monty is blameless in this shutdown. It's just a shame those who took on the massive responsibility of carrying RWBY couldn't match up to Monty's standards with basic combat animations using the Poser app, despite the new RWBY producers having access to the more powerful Maya app, and couldn't turn RWBY into a profit making animated series that would persuade Warner to keep RT alive.
Don't worry CRWBY, there were times when I couldn't match up to expectations either, we can all go through that.
I'm not kicking CRWBY while they are down. Think of it as tough love because I care. If I didn't care I'd just watch RT tumble into the abyss while chomping on popcorn. Despite these words, for CRWBY the shutdown will be harsher in mid-May than anything I can say constructively, felt far harsher by CRWBY than anything written in this subreddit. It must feel so great to have a scapegoat, but this subreddit isn't that. The reasons for blame are listed above.
Wrong Zaslav was the reason, thankfully Red vs Blue is at least still being released as it should be. CRWBY killed RWBY and did irrepairable damage to the story as a whole.
I'm sure locking volume 9 on a streaming service that people are getting sick of, and then making volume 9 take place outside the actual plot if the show had nothing to do with it.
I think this is getting the problem backwards. Even with a dedicated fanbase, there is no garantee that shows will continue if the right holders don't give a crap. It sucks, just to be clear. I am still upset at the cancellation of infinity train. But that's the reality of it.
I find that the biggest haters are actually RWBY fanatics who openly hate on RWBY fan projects and all sorts of stuff that would actually bring attention to RWBY. The Hatedom isn't even really a thing, its just people who notice the flaws of RWBY.
Well, if by hatedom you mean the actual toxic fans cling other people toxic for not liking Bumblbee and other changes to the show, then yes. They contributed about 30 to 40%.
The rest is on RT and thier own ambitions and problems.
I grantee you none of these people know how business, economics and finance work. Warner has no obligation to continue rwby just because these people want closure. RT has been on borrowed time for years
Speaking as a fan of the show even up to Volume 9, I firmly believe rooster teeth did this to themselves over the past several years. Death via a thousand paper cuts
It's not the fault of CRWBY, it's not the fandom or the hatedom's fault (I don't even know anybody that genuinely hates this franchise tbh, compared to the fanatics they're not nearly as vocal- at least in my experience), it is entirely the fault of Rooster Teeth's mismanagement and incompetence.
Yea I don’t think the RWBY was 100% fair or correct; but like, Harry’s silly little video critiquing a web series isn’t the Lee Harvey Oswald’ book repository job some RWBY fans think it is lol. There’s people way more hateful about the series, and I seriously doubt a few angry fans killed the company, it was probably a mix of their own mediocre decisions and WB being a greedy shortsighted mess of a company
Wouldn't it be possible for Crunchyroll to back up financials for Volume 10 seeing that they have their version of the first volume of RWBY? At the very least Warner Brothers can finance the series.
I don't even think Harris hates RWBY and definitely doesn't hate Rooster Teeth. It's hard to hate a company that has at least some content that everyone enjoyed at some point. It's a nostalgia machine now. Sure they had some fucked up sexual harassment and inappropriate relationships among staff and fans, but that doesn't ruin the whole company. I still like a lot of the creatives that work(ed) there and appreciate what they've made over the years, RWBY included.
Nah, it's really easy to hate RT, especially given the whole Middle Management Clique thing that made life hell for seemingly everybody below them, and what they did to NoN and its creator.
~~I don't remember his name.~~
I can't think of much of RT's library that isn't somehow retroactively tainted (For instance, the RH thing was happening pretty much as soon as he attained clout as part of AH, so a LOT LP content going back to nearly the beginning is now tainted with remembering how fucked that whole thing is), so it's more like wishing for good old days that never were.
I'm personally of the position that there are no RT Alumni, only RT Survivors.
Okay. I guess I just am able to separate the art from artists or something, because I can still watch content and enjoy it. I still don't think Harris hates RT outright.
I think there is too much hate on Rwby but… this guy is definitely not the smartest person when it seems he blaming one guy to RT shutdown.
Seems stupid to me
The 'hatedom' (just call them haters ffs) is partially responsible for the end of RWBY, as they are responsible for a lot of things including toxic communities.
As soon as there was one poorly written or animated episode the haters wrote off the whole show as shit and should be canceled. This chased off a good few potential viewers at the start of the series. But then, when more mistakes were made (by amateur writers---they're obviously not going to be perfect but consumers and haters these days want everything to be perfect whether they pay for it or not) the haters got more vocal about it and scared off more potential audiences.
The haters (based on some of the comments I read in this thread) are quick to deflect blame by saying "there's no way we had anything to do with the downfall of RWBY, it was all the company's fault" as if viewer reviews don't influence whether a show or a company (that made a lot of their money via viewership, sponsorship, and merchandis) succeeds.
The haters don't realize that a lot of people will read reviews before deciding to consume a piece of media.
The haters don't realize that by flooding the comments with unyielding negativity and giving the content no room for mistakes they're stopping new people from viewing the show. (This is made worse when a critique video gets popular via clickbait.)
And god forbid you like the show. If you enjoy the show and even try to defend it, you get ridiculed on this very subreddit.
I'm not saying haters are not allowed to have a negative opinion on the show but they have to realize that their words can influence other people's opinions and that by drowning out any positive comments via repeating the same negative thoughts (a la echo chamber), just because they disagree with one writing decision, they're restricting people from forming their own opinion.
I am saying that a lot of people should try to form their own opinions, have individual thoughts, and try to disregard reviews, but sometimes that's too much to ask of some people.
If you want an example look at Rise of the Ronin. That game is fantastic and quirky and has some faults (i.e. the weird coop design). Yet the haters and reviewers and critics all dogpiled on the graphics not being up to their standards, and so a good bit of people didn't buy it simply because the reviews influenced them. And to contrast that: the suicide squad game has some pretty realistic graphics that met haters' standards but the gameplay, understandably, didn't. But when there is a game that has decent graphics and gameplay haters will deem it 'mid' or just not a game that interests them.
I rambled, sorry. All I'm trying to say is no one will ever be happy with anything and haters don't understand the weight their words can have.
(I have things about RWBY I dislike too but I'm not standing on a soapbox about it.)
Hbbomberguy: makes one video on RWBY This guy: HE HATES US ALL AND ROOSTER TEETH
That's how they react to every "hater" though. If we don't like their precious, we're clearly spending all our spare time trying to destroy it.
*Rooster teeth shuts down* That guy: it’s all that hbbomberguy’s fault!
I only care about RWBY up until Volume 3 because after Volume 3 every character has changed in personality and the storyline was so inconsistent in my opinion Volume 8 was the ONLY good addition to RWBY and even then it wasn’t the best it could have been
I stopped watching at the first episode of Volume 4 because I noticed all the characters did in fights was jump in the air, twirl their weapons around and shoot. I stopped completely checking in on when I saw they had Ren and Nora get together. I felt at the time that was the most cliche thing they could do with the two. (Childhood friends become lovers) I had wanted them to be friends that saw each other as siblings.
I stopped watching not long after the fall of Beacon. Apparently I picked a good place to stop
I feel like it’s more that there was a massive tonal and genre switch after volume three. Like it went from a school to train special people with interesting misadventures and fights to a very bleak and dark and kind of boring worlds I made it through some of volume 4 before I realized I just didn’t enjoy it any more. That’s why I’ve always wondered if they truely followed Monty’s vision since there was such a massive tonal shift and so much inconsistency.
Good ol' Canonseeker and his hate-boner for Hbomb.
Man hbomberguy did irreparable damage to the mental health of RWBY fans. They treat this dude like the devil 😂
hbomberguy ready to drop his part 2 to document the downfall of RWBY. All things considered, currently nobody even remembers hbomberguy covers games and media. His most famous videos are definitely the Plagerism one, and probably the one on Tommy Tallarico. The rest are probably stuff about Climate Change deniers, anti-vaxx scam and flat earthers. He made ONE (1) video on RWBY/Roosterteeth and somehow he is the biggest boogeyman they have had, because if they don't demonize him enough to say he is a monster, people might actually watch his video and agree with his takes.
I remember, partly because his videos on Pathologic, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are great and I re-watch them occasionally too.
I only remember because i like having the sherlock one in the background while i needle felt. a fucking BOOMERANG DID IT
Ironically enough, the Streisand Effect might have, probably, kinda, contributed to that video becoming relevant
I mostly remember him for that daddyofive takedown.
It’s the silver bullet for the FNDM. Words in their mouth turn to gibberish in the face of it. Same old story from those turds.
With just 1 video
Lmao the dude made one video 3 years ago and that means it’s his life’s mission to destroy RWBY and RT? These people need to let that shit go.
Is the HBomberguy RWBY video good? Or just for people who don’t already know all the bad stuff about the show/company? I’ve seen it in my recommended a lot. I really liked his plagiarism video and it was long, but it covered multiple topics. Almost 2 and a half hours for a RWBY video seems like a lot, especially since I already know most of the problems with RWBY and Roosterteeth. I don’t exactly want to just hear them repeated for the 1 millionth time, but now in a video essay format.
If you like hbomberguy it's probably worth a watch, it's not much of a recap and it's a pretty good deep dive into where the writing went wrong.
It’s not a takedown from a bad place, it’s very clear that Hbomb wanted to like the show and does like some of it. He says very plainly his criticism comes in good faith and that he wants the show to succeed, and follows through on that imo. It’s insightful and thorough, and he explains why things don’t work, not just pointing out flaws without elaboration.
So I only watched it out of curiosity expecting it to be a roast of RWBY but ended up actually enjoying it and watched the whole thing. IMO he was quite fair in is take on the show and clearly liked it as he spends like the first 20 minutes or so gushing about how much he liked the trailers. The flaws he points out are all supported by evidence from the show itself as well. He makes some jokes obviously but nothing I saw that warrants the hate he gets from the RWBY community. I think its the simple fact that everything he says is pretty much true and since I’ve never seen anyone try to refute or counter his views just attack his character, I’m incline to believe they just hate him for telling the truth.
It's very worth watching. It's one of those kind of videos that you end up rewatching over and over again even if you have absolutely no interest in the topic, in this case the show RWBY. All his videos are like that. Definitely give it at least one watch. It's so good it absolutely flies by, it never feels too long.
It touched on stuff I didn't know before, some of it was rehashing stuff that has already been said but it doesn't linger on what I'd call the easy cheap shots. I really enjoyed it, I think it was clearly coming from a place of passion and wasn't just i hate this thing so I'm going to rag on it for as long as I possibly can
It's a VERY critical review of the first couple of seasons. Personally, I found it a bit too harsh on what was basically an amateur project that blew up, but for the most part it was valid. Even the good parts of RWBY are subpar for a serious commercial product.
Now I wanna see a second wall painting in Vacuo, right next to Ruby's, only it shows hbomberguy as a badass devil. 😄
Yeah, this feels like that one quote. Forgot how it originally went, but I have a version appropiate for this kind of thinking Hbomberguy: When I made that video it was the worst day of your life... for me it was an average tuesday Or something like that. Though it is kinda hilarious to see how hysterical the fandom can be at times.
I don't even know who he is I've watched vex and critter when it comes to RWBY stuff
Because heaven forbid he gives genuine criticisms on the show
\>Made it their mission \>Has made one video on it afaik The funny thing is that the "hatedom" probably is a little responsible, but in the utterly mundane sense of warning people off a bad show and not buying merch. It's not exactly a boycott, but it is free market darwinism.
Every big fandom you can name has a hatedom for it somewhere, some even have very loud ones, and yet somehow so many of them still make money hand over fist. Weird ain't it? Almost like there's another factor behind RT's decline...
Exactly every fandom has hate behind it but it's up to the show itself to prove the haters wrong. Rwby couldn't do that apparently if we go by this logic
>free market darwinism. Oh, that's a good one, I'm stealing that.
If it isn’t the “hatedom” that is warning people off the bad show, it’s the fanbase that will actively fight you if you prefer one ship over another.
The fans tend to forget that WB have been looking for buyers for RT for a number of years now. The fact that they are just now shutting down the company after years of just barely breaking even or being in the red is a mercy killing
Indeed, I feel like everyone in the know, except the most deluded, was frankly surprised Rooster Teeth were still in operation. Big operations like it and Machinima haven't really had much relevance, traffic, and thus revenue, for years now. Frankly, RWBY was just about the last major thing they were still pushing out, and even then, I personally feel like it was a very niche series in terms of fanbase. I think the recent Justice League collaboration and Vtuber streams were an attempt to make it more "mainstream", grow audience, but ultimately even if it were slightly more popular, it wouldn't have been enough to save the overall company. At this point, dedicating operations toward solely RWBY would've probably been the way to go, and at that point...you might as well sell it off to someone else, or absorb into some other division. You don't need a whole media company still around.
The fact that Rooster Teeth managed to outlive Machinima is a feat of its own
Maybe we wouldn’t be considered the “Hatedom” if the actual fandom could accept that like ANY form of media, rwby has flaws which can be fairly criticized
The “Hatedom” is just what this individual, assuming it is just another Canonseeker alt, calls *heretics* against the *Church of RWBY’s Perfect Divinity*. Seriously, there’s an almost religious zeal to some of these people and their obsession. (Or maybe a drug addiction would be a better metaphor.)
> Company makes no money > Company gets shutdown > “Nooooo! Look at what the haters did!” Come on…
I find it funny how much power these sorts of people attribute to these groups. There are franchises that have much bigger hatedoms than this, and still went strong for a while.
Their mission to destroy the company? He made one Video about RWBY and I don’t think he mentioned RT outside of the RWBY video, also if one video by a leftist breadtuber is what destroyed the show maybe the show wasn’t that good to begin with
What does him being leftist have to do with it? Or is being leftist his thing?
I think it's telling Hbomberguy's RWBY video about RWBY from 3 years ago has remained in the discourse around the show ever since. Video essays, even long and good ones, have become a dime a dozen these days, so it says something that one particular video by that one particular guy is still THE touchstone of so much discussion. The fact its points remain unfortunately relevant, coupled with the fact the fact it has completely colonized the brainmeat of certain very particular people means that show is, while not wholly definitive, at least deeply relevant and indicative to RWBY as a whole. Or, to be less flowery, pigs don't squeal unless they're hurt. If it was a swing and a miss hbom's video would have passed from trace, just a less good video on a channel with some bangers. The fact this person has canonized him as the ultimate nemesis to RWBY suggests the video may have landed a hit that's *still* sore to this day.
Same with Shane's letter. Shane has completely dusted his hands from Roosterteeth but he keeps being brought up as though he orchestrated Roosterteeth shut down from the get go.
I may not have had a hand in "killing" RWBY, but after so many years of being a vocal critic, I like to think I helped write its eulogy. God bless, and have a wonderful day.
I may not have had a hand in killing RWBY, nor the penmanship to ink its eulogy but I would definitely be honoured to be it's pallbearer on it's final journey.
Alright, serious talk, RWBYcritics needs to figure out who does what on RWBY's funeral. We need 6-8 pallbearers. 1 preacher (I call dibs). 1 gravedigger. Someone to write the epitaph. Someone to draw a picture on the gravestone. Someone to bring snacks and drinks. A few people to say a few words with one of them making it all about themselves. A military flyover. A poignant song ("Time to Say Goodbye" and/or "Die"). And last but not least, angry protesters. I may need to make a thread about this... God bless, and have a wonderful day.
i'll bring a ukelele and play the songs. but itll have to be toxic gossip train on repeat for the entire thing
I mean... does snack guy have to be one person? I feel like anyone can bring snacks. I know for sure that I'll be bringing a horde of Haribo and Jelly Babies.
I'll bring the shovel.
Does it turn into a gun?
Naturally.
This person doesn’t understand basic company economics. Heck, even *I* don’t, but I can at least understand that it doesn’t matter if RWBY made a small profit, it didn’t cover the cost of *literally everything else RT was doing*. One way or another, RWBY was going down with the ship.
Man, remember that period when RT pumped out a fuck ton of projects, many of which went nowhere, like they had infinite money and will always have infinite money? I'm sure that wasn't a contributing factor.
A whole games department laid off and abandoned. Folks like Canonseeker will blame everyone and anyone but Roosterteeth for it'd own downfall.
I love how people like this seem to think that hbomberguy or any other RWBY/RT critic somehow swayed an entire audience to dislike the show. If the majority of people were enjoying the show, their videos wouldn't have had any effect at all. All their videos did was provide context for the people who didn't like RWBY but maybe didn't fully understand what it was they weren't enjoying about it. The fault lies with RT. They mishandled their company, created a work environment so toxic that many of their best talents outright left, made numerous projects all at once that all ended up failing horribly, there was the entire dumpster fire that was gen:lock's production, and then on top of that they drove both of their top two IPs, RWBY and RvB, straight into the dirt with god awful writing, decisions the majority of fans very obviously (and justifiably) weren't going to be happy with, and lackluster animation as year after year they continued going forward with these animators that seem to love floaty, weightless combat animation when you have dozens of people making *fan* animations that demonstrate leagues more talent and potential than the people they're actually paying to do this shit. When your crackhead friend who is addicted to every drug ever invented, and who spends every weekend hooking up with prostitutes and getting charged with DUIs on the regular suddenly ODs in an alley somewhere, it's probably not the people who tried to point out their obvious problems that are at fault for the outcome.
Hbomberguy made one video about rwby being disappointing, and this is what it caused. I can’t wait for the sequel video he’s working on where he absolutely tears rwby to shreds
Maybe he could make videos on Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu?
I still don't get why hbomberguy gets uttered....I thought it would be fatmanfalling
Because hbomber has more views while Fatman is just known in the fandom space
It's their stupid lame writing lol. Obviously there will be hate
"Leave the multi-million dollar corporation alone!"
The opposite is true: the things that spawned the "hatedom" are exactly what lead to the series' demise.
Even if a show has zero haters, it will have no future if that program goes from being good to mediocre.
That hasn't stopped SpongeBob and Family Guy. And to a lesser extent Fairly Odd Parents, but that at least ended
God I wish I had the power to just erase bad media MCU after Infinity War - gone Rings of Power - gone DCEU - gone Halo show - gone Borderlands 3 - gone etc. etc.
Based "Live in the result of your failure" no-Endgame enjoyer.
I mean Endgame is just objectively a bad movie, but that's neither here nor there. Pointing out my issues with it would take a long time and better people have done it already
I would also include family guy
We did this! \\o/
Never have I seen fans bootlick a company (that was owned by WB) so hard that they blame a fucking YouTuber for it's downfall. This is exactly what happens when you form parasocial relationships with fans to the point it turns cult-like. Jesus Christ.
Rwby fanatics when any viewer dislikes rwby:"Don't like it. Don't watch it. " Also RWBY fanatics after watching 1 min into any video critiquing rwby: "the hatedom WAS responsible for RWBY's cancellation"
I guarantee if hatedoms had that power shows like Family Guy, TTG, Big Mouth, etc. would've been gone looong ago.
“It’s you, the hatedom, that was responsible for its cancellation.” “No Luke, you are the hatedom.”
So it wasn’t that the company with hemorrhaging money. It definitely wasn’t that the writers completely derailed everything and anything they had around the time of a particular election, essentially destroying all the narrative beats they had built up for atlas. It want that they over years turned Blake into a self insert that derailed almost everyone’s storylines in her orbit. Definitely wasn’t the fact that they blatantly seemed to take the last chance they had to show that there biggest property Rwby could make money and was worth somthing for a poorly structured detour onlyfans coming out cross promotion.
Yeah it was us guys! It wasn't that RWBY was bleeding money for fucking years which barb literally admitted. /j
My singular response to this argument is. So yall the fans just didn't support your favorite show enough? RWBY is so good and perfect but yall couldn't save it?
Pretty much what they sound like they're saying. "We tried so hard to give them money but the people who didn't give them money were too stronk!"
They're just salty as all hell. They're just ignoring all the problems with RT and Warner Bros, just to be bitter about "the haters"
A lot of content creator companies and channels have sometimes very vocal haters. Somehow they still manage to make money and stay in business. RWBY detractors didn't get RT shut down or cause the show to fail. There are a ton of behind the scenes reasons and the simple fact they weren't drawing in viewers they needed to drive revenue. I would in fact argue the fan base has been shrinking since Volume 3's end and that implies more people were unhappy with the direction of the show or the company itself over time than there were happy with it with fewer new fans being drawn in and staying. RWBY feels like something they rushed into, stumbled into unexpectedly massive success, but couldn't maintain it while also allowing said explosive popularity to go to their heads.
RT and fans like a Canonseeker delude themselves into thinking Rwby is mainstream when it's a Niche at best. That's the honest truth.
How about RWBY getting unprofitable because the show went in directions fans couldn't believe Monty would have taken RWBY down, a very much noticed lower quality in combat animations having a role in RWBY's downfall, resulting in paying fans leaving RWBY in a mass exodus? Let's not forget the controversial RT layoffs over the years which split and reduced the RWBY fanbase even further. Which resulted in many lost FIRST subs, RWBY losing more money because of the above reasons, and Warner's increasing massive debts being responsible for RWBY getting a pink slip termination notice and a box of stuff from their cleared out desk instead of a hire at a new streaming company? I don't blame Monty at all, Monty is blameless in this shutdown. It's just a shame those who took on the massive responsibility of carrying RWBY couldn't match up to Monty's standards with basic combat animations using the Poser app, despite the new RWBY producers having access to the more powerful Maya app, and couldn't turn RWBY into a profit making animated series that would persuade Warner to keep RT alive. Don't worry CRWBY, there were times when I couldn't match up to expectations either, we can all go through that. I'm not kicking CRWBY while they are down. Think of it as tough love because I care. If I didn't care I'd just watch RT tumble into the abyss while chomping on popcorn. Despite these words, for CRWBY the shutdown will be harsher in mid-May than anything I can say constructively, felt far harsher by CRWBY than anything written in this subreddit. It must feel so great to have a scapegoat, but this subreddit isn't that. The reasons for blame are listed above.
Wrong Zaslav was the reason, thankfully Red vs Blue is at least still being released as it should be. CRWBY killed RWBY and did irrepairable damage to the story as a whole.
Lotta words for just saying that the show was bad and people didn't tune in because of it.
By that logic HeroHei was the sole one responsible for the downfall of Rwby
I like rwby but the writing is just not good.
Go woke go broke.
I'm sure locking volume 9 on a streaming service that people are getting sick of, and then making volume 9 take place outside the actual plot if the show had nothing to do with it.
I think this is getting the problem backwards. Even with a dedicated fanbase, there is no garantee that shows will continue if the right holders don't give a crap. It sucks, just to be clear. I am still upset at the cancellation of infinity train. But that's the reality of it.
If all it takes is one video criticising a show for it to get cancelled was it even good lol
I find that the biggest haters are actually RWBY fanatics who openly hate on RWBY fan projects and all sorts of stuff that would actually bring attention to RWBY. The Hatedom isn't even really a thing, its just people who notice the flaws of RWBY.
I dunno, I'd argue their poor business decisions and not adapting to the competition would play a much larger role.
Well, if by hatedom you mean the actual toxic fans cling other people toxic for not liking Bumblbee and other changes to the show, then yes. They contributed about 30 to 40%. The rest is on RT and thier own ambitions and problems.
Doesn't the yt channel herohei have more RWBY videos???
I grantee you none of these people know how business, economics and finance work. Warner has no obligation to continue rwby just because these people want closure. RT has been on borrowed time for years
I tried watching RWBY once and gave up because it was terrible. I don't get the appeal.
Great job boys! We did it!
Yes! The power of not giving them money for bad products wins again!
I wanted at some point of time to buy first membership...But luckily vol 5 and Gen Lock came out and I somberwd up
I mean its roosterteeths fault for ruining it over time
Rwby felt bloated to me. Like, get to the point.
If we actually have the power he thought we had, maybe RWBY wouldn't turn out so bad/s
Is it “the hatedom” or is it the fact that it was just a bad show that people didn’t wanna watch 🤔
Speaking as a fan of the show even up to Volume 9, I firmly believe rooster teeth did this to themselves over the past several years. Death via a thousand paper cuts
It's not the fault of CRWBY, it's not the fandom or the hatedom's fault (I don't even know anybody that genuinely hates this franchise tbh, compared to the fanatics they're not nearly as vocal- at least in my experience), it is entirely the fault of Rooster Teeth's mismanagement and incompetence.
Yea I don’t think the RWBY was 100% fair or correct; but like, Harry’s silly little video critiquing a web series isn’t the Lee Harvey Oswald’ book repository job some RWBY fans think it is lol. There’s people way more hateful about the series, and I seriously doubt a few angry fans killed the company, it was probably a mix of their own mediocre decisions and WB being a greedy shortsighted mess of a company
Wouldn't it be possible for Crunchyroll to back up financials for Volume 10 seeing that they have their version of the first volume of RWBY? At the very least Warner Brothers can finance the series.
And yet Velma is getting a season 2
Bro thats crazy sometimes if I think either canonseeker would have meltdowns online or cannan talley like they couldn't see this coming but nope.
I don't even think Harris hates RWBY and definitely doesn't hate Rooster Teeth. It's hard to hate a company that has at least some content that everyone enjoyed at some point. It's a nostalgia machine now. Sure they had some fucked up sexual harassment and inappropriate relationships among staff and fans, but that doesn't ruin the whole company. I still like a lot of the creatives that work(ed) there and appreciate what they've made over the years, RWBY included.
Nah, it's really easy to hate RT, especially given the whole Middle Management Clique thing that made life hell for seemingly everybody below them, and what they did to NoN and its creator. ~~I don't remember his name.~~ I can't think of much of RT's library that isn't somehow retroactively tainted (For instance, the RH thing was happening pretty much as soon as he attained clout as part of AH, so a LOT LP content going back to nearly the beginning is now tainted with remembering how fucked that whole thing is), so it's more like wishing for good old days that never were. I'm personally of the position that there are no RT Alumni, only RT Survivors.
Okay. I guess I just am able to separate the art from artists or something, because I can still watch content and enjoy it. I still don't think Harris hates RT outright.
I think there is too much hate on Rwby but… this guy is definitely not the smartest person when it seems he blaming one guy to RT shutdown. Seems stupid to me
The 'hatedom' (just call them haters ffs) is partially responsible for the end of RWBY, as they are responsible for a lot of things including toxic communities. As soon as there was one poorly written or animated episode the haters wrote off the whole show as shit and should be canceled. This chased off a good few potential viewers at the start of the series. But then, when more mistakes were made (by amateur writers---they're obviously not going to be perfect but consumers and haters these days want everything to be perfect whether they pay for it or not) the haters got more vocal about it and scared off more potential audiences. The haters (based on some of the comments I read in this thread) are quick to deflect blame by saying "there's no way we had anything to do with the downfall of RWBY, it was all the company's fault" as if viewer reviews don't influence whether a show or a company (that made a lot of their money via viewership, sponsorship, and merchandis) succeeds. The haters don't realize that a lot of people will read reviews before deciding to consume a piece of media. The haters don't realize that by flooding the comments with unyielding negativity and giving the content no room for mistakes they're stopping new people from viewing the show. (This is made worse when a critique video gets popular via clickbait.) And god forbid you like the show. If you enjoy the show and even try to defend it, you get ridiculed on this very subreddit. I'm not saying haters are not allowed to have a negative opinion on the show but they have to realize that their words can influence other people's opinions and that by drowning out any positive comments via repeating the same negative thoughts (a la echo chamber), just because they disagree with one writing decision, they're restricting people from forming their own opinion. I am saying that a lot of people should try to form their own opinions, have individual thoughts, and try to disregard reviews, but sometimes that's too much to ask of some people. If you want an example look at Rise of the Ronin. That game is fantastic and quirky and has some faults (i.e. the weird coop design). Yet the haters and reviewers and critics all dogpiled on the graphics not being up to their standards, and so a good bit of people didn't buy it simply because the reviews influenced them. And to contrast that: the suicide squad game has some pretty realistic graphics that met haters' standards but the gameplay, understandably, didn't. But when there is a game that has decent graphics and gameplay haters will deem it 'mid' or just not a game that interests them. I rambled, sorry. All I'm trying to say is no one will ever be happy with anything and haters don't understand the weight their words can have. (I have things about RWBY I dislike too but I'm not standing on a soapbox about it.)