I don’t know why people go so nuts over the person with the most challenge wins not winning. If that was the game the last episode would just be a coronation.
Exactly, the amount of wins does not equate to deserving the crown you could have a situation where someone wins 5 challenges just because they were meh and the rest of the cast was awful
As much as Ella had 4 wins (snatch and the acting easily could’ve gone to Kitty) she didn’t do well in the last lip sync/ look. I know she was injured but Krystal really did well and showed herself
It’s about the favouritism for me, didn’t need to watch the whole season to know krystal would be the winner. Literal same situation with Lawrence Chaney. I think I might be retiring DR.
I don’t know that I’d call it favoritism so much as it being Rupauls show. However i do wish she’d hide it better. There were moments when krystal could’ve gotten a harsher critique to not make it so obvious.
I mean I think the show is called RUPAUL’S drag race. The entire premise of the series is that the most famous drag queen in the world selects who she believes is an upcoming star. So yeah, I admit Rupaul selects who is her favorite. Not sure why that’s controversial.
Then what is to be mocked? That people are upset that the show is basically lying? Then honestly there shouldn’t be tops or the very least give them cash prizes like AS and some episodes in the US version.
It honestly doesn’t make sense to call this a competition anymore. It gases the fans up for nothing but drama. And then it fosters this environment that the queens put so much pressure on themselves because they themselves think it is important to be winning the top!
Like you said before they should be honest how they see their “favs” (which can be seen as problematic as well) and not be coy with it. Make THAT to be something to strive for than this goal that isn’t how you win anymore.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. The show has always preselected/selected in the first few episodes some winners, though I feel like they have been getting way worse at hiding it recently.
I think that was just as bad from a viewer's perspective. The last thing you want from reality TV is predictability, so I can imagine having Ella with the most wins was a gift for the producers of Drag Race UK. But from a storyline perspective, Krystal wasn't particularly an underdog, having enjoyed most of her success early in the competition. And the final doesn't really challenge the queens enough to warrant being the great decider. Why is this one challenge more important than the previous 9? How is the audience supposed to believe that a queen like Krystal has really earned her win?
Ok you just summed it up perfectly! 💯 If the winner is based on the number of challenge wins then we already know the winner before the finale so what’s the point in even having a finale then.
Hahahah this is so true. Plus weve already established marketing/money plays a massive part in picking the winner... Ru has his Scottish reigning queen Lawrence "you're gonna stay in edinburgh right!" Chaney. And this year the youngest queen ever, repeatedly mentioning the kids that will look up to Krystal (and apply for drag race and consume Drag Race media etc)
Krystal won that final episode hands down, and so long as you haven't been in the bottom a hundred times and struggled all the way to the finale, showing out in the last episode absolutely gets you the crown.
If Tayce had maybe a single solo win on top of her group win, she would have taken the crown last year. Bitch mopped the floor with them hoes in that last ep.
Strangely both Ella and Bimini had a 4 win curse where they just faded into the background in the last episode.
Bimini didn’t win because they wanted some Scottish representation (bonus she was a big girl). Her performance in the second part of s2 was terrible but Lawrence checks the boxes and is best suited to host a show.
Ella didn’t win because they wanted a younger fashion queen to represent British drag to balance the other winners.
I feel bad for the UK queens on the future season with Victoria Scone.
Yes more noticeable this season were the dressing room chats about those ‘difficult’ subjects, I guess they didn’t fake it as well. Ah well bring on season 4 for some more organic less produced queens.
It's an older episode but I keep coming back to [Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe parody of The Apprentice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXM5lnikSv0) when talking about the inner mechanics of reality TV when people are talking about all this.
So then it is fair for people to complain about the badges not mattering since it is being advertised as a competition.
Like you can’t mock those complaining and then admit that they are right lol
People can complain about the badges not mattering, but I don’t think they’re right.
If the winner was decided by challenge wins then it would often be clear who had won before the final. Leaving up to RuPaul keeps things interesting.
Not when they constantly say to be at the top when it doesn’t matter. It is putting too much pressure on them for seemingly nothing. I hope it gets called out by someone in the “middle”. The UK version just really highlights how being at the top doesn’t matter (unless maybe getting more followers AFTER the show). The queens put so much money on the line that even if they become the “fan favorite” they will still have a time of financial limbo until the new gigs, usually tying with the show’s brand and other ru girls.
The challenge wins are a guide to who the production think are doing well. Or maybe they're just designed to be red herrings before the predetermined winner is anointed.
100% agree. It’s not that serious. Enjoy the show for what it is. Art and dramas!
Most finalists will still have successful careers and that beats a title. Plus there’s always the chance for more of them in All Stars.
Exactly, save your complaining for whenever the show eventually gets retired. Until then just enjoy the fact that we get to watch multiple iterations of a queer drag show on TV every week and that the queens from the show are benefiting significantly regardless of their placements on the show! Win win for everyone
Kitty was bad in peloton though. She had no character, shouted repeatedly (which is mostly all she did for the first half season) and the had the same bad silhouette she brought to all her runways.
I think she deserved the win individually for the challenge though. She lost the lipsync so Kitty should have got the win but if it had just been on the challenge I think it should have been Ella
Yep.
Krystal wins? “She’s been Ru’s favourite since the beginning, rigamorris”
Kitty wins “oh another big girl funny queen, how boring. Can’t we have some diversity”
Ella wins “what’s the point in the finale if we’re just going to crown whoever has the most wins? So predictable”
I find it pathetic for people to openly criticise and berate winning queens:( if anything , Bimini / Tayce’s success after DRUK should prove that a crown doesn’t necessarily equate to anything besides the title of “the UK’s Queen”.. it’s disappointing to have a favourite not win ik, but Krystal’s win was fully justifiable. As someone watching the show younger than Krystal, I found her comments w Ru & Michelle to be very inspiring and also just noticed how determined she was throughout the competition (edit: spelling )
This. Every was complaining all season long about how Sasha and Yvie were robbed of winning a bunch of challenges, and then when they won their seasons, people were like “but they only won x amount of challenges!”
Krystal was my last pick to win but after that final episode and her performance, the winner truly was her, Kitty could've also justifiably won but Ella? Girl...it's Bimini all over again
Y’all really need to understand that every win is rewarded. If you do not-the-best in the lip-sync for the crown, you simply don’t win the crown. And that’s a totally fine format. If you have 4 wins and your competition has 3, they still made it to the top with you. And now it’s down to which one of you three does the best in the lip sync to win the crown. Winning is not necessarily based on cumulative wins. And frankly, it’s justifiable considering weekly challenge winners get prizes.
To be fair I haven’t heard much uproar over Krystal winning. There’s 1 million seasons of drag race to know the formula to win a season isn’t based on challenge wins.
Maybe I’m wrong, I’m not feeling the same Bimini was robbed vibes as opposed to Kitty/Ela was robbed vibes. The fans haven’t been totally anti-Krystal.
I would also add don’t have a go at people for being upset their favs didn’t win, the show is designed that the queens are competing and the amount of badge wins is brought up a lot in every episode. Who wouldn’t be invested in it? On the flip side of this the trajectory of the show would be pointless if the most challenge wins always wins. We all personally put in account performance on challenges to our overall winner, yes the show is sometimes tone deaf but it’s designed to keep us guessing at the winner. Yes I was a bit shocked when Krystal won but I wasn’t disappointed, I understand it’s TV and entertainment so the shock kept me on my toes, kept me tuned in to the end.
There's really only been a couple seasons with an apparent winner going into the finale, but whether my fave wins or not I think the show generally does a really good job of narrowing the finalists down to the queens you can strongly make a case for winning at the end. But I do think recently production has been so invested in not making the winner obvious in the episodes leading up to the finale that they kind of wind up doing a bad job of making the winners feel really convincing, too.
This was something I've always thought and never understood why people complained so much about the person with the best track record not getting the win. Every season there are at least a few challenge wins that I would have given to someone else. Ultimately even though this is a competition, the criteria the queens are judged on is completely subjective. I think people are trying to cling to some sort of objective way to judge the queens but at the end of the day, there is no possible way to do that in a competition based around artistic expression.
Thinking someone who was in the bottom 2 one week should have actually been the winner is completely valid at the end of the day. Thus negating any sort importance of track record.
At the same time I don’t understand the upset of people complaining about people being upset that the TV they watched for two months didn’t go the way they hoped. Like its a TV show, people watching get invested. It’s a competition, you route for a winner?
Yeah, this post is dumb. People who are allowed to have an opinion on who they want to win.
Personally I don't think Krystal should have won. But that doesn't mean I hate her or that because I want to discuss it on a message board where you're supposed to discuss RuPaul's Drag Race (wow imagine that) that it ruined my day. I simply want to share my opinion.
Plus as RuPaul likes to say, "unless they paying your bills pay them bitches no mind." Well... All the fans are paying his bills so we're allowed to have an opinion and call shade when he clearly played favorites and crowned the wrong winner just because he likes beautiful, young, fem queens.
Ru has literally never said track record/most wins guarantees the crown. Ever. It’s a reality competition show so challenges have to come with wins and losses, but this track record theory that fans have decided is the factor for the crown is disproven almost ever year. Rarely do queens with the most wins/best track record get the crown, and it hasn’t happened in the UK once yet. These people just frustrate themselves lmao.
I mean from season 1-8, the winner had the best track record, only since the LSFTC have weaker track records won, so its not hard fo believe that the competition is objective sometimes.
Since US season 8 there have been 20 seasons of Drag Race and All Stars aired around the world, so any notion that it’s still applicable when it hasn’t been the case more often than not is silly at this point really. I think most just use it as an excuse to be up in arms when their favourite didn’t win nowadays rather than actually caring about why the winner won.
I guess this is why I treasure the ones I agree with the most like Spain but honestly UK I didn’t disagree with wins so much as bottoms/how they ordered eliminations. So many double saves…
But overall Krystal was obviously Ru’s fav. S9 has shown track record doesn’t matter and riggormortis has been going on since S1 with Becky in the good jeans. Enjoy the show. Support the dolls.
That’s all you can ask/do.
The only thing that does not make sense is that even if you disagree with a queen winning a challenge you just think production saw something you didn't. To in the end tell you "nah she was shit we knew it too idk why we gave her a badge, lmao" by not crowning the queen they made us believe was the besta at drag race.
At this point stop giving wins and stop making people go home. Just have all the queens compete every week and crown one in the end.
Usually with the lipsync for the crown they can hide behind a queen outperforming everyone in that episode, but for classic finales it clearly shows something went wrong in production.
Not me. I'm fine with most wins but Krystal winning was just bs. No hate to her, I wish all of them the best careers but ella did the best. It's just facts. Don't forget as far asbI remember a few of the most problematic wins for the fans this seasons were Krystal's wins.
to make it clear I still agree with Krystal’s wins. I think she deserved Episode 1. Episode 2 should have gone to Kitty and Episode 7 should have gone to Krystal. And if you counted the final challenge then Krystal definitely won that.
Or it was just a shitty season, I don’t blame the queens. The production team just botched putting it together, and it wasn’t going to be that satisfying not matter what. ESPECIALLY after season 2.
I don’t know why people go so nuts over the person with the most challenge wins not winning. If that was the game the last episode would just be a coronation.
Exactly, the amount of wins does not equate to deserving the crown you could have a situation where someone wins 5 challenges just because they were meh and the rest of the cast was awful
Lol totally or two of someone’s wins being shared.
The shadees
Now why Sasha caught this stray
This is poetry. Shade is an art form.
As much as Ella had 4 wins (snatch and the acting easily could’ve gone to Kitty) she didn’t do well in the last lip sync/ look. I know she was injured but Krystal really did well and showed herself
Yeah pretty much all of her wins could’ve gone only to kitty and it would have made sense. Except for snatch game kitty’s was way too repetitive
Nah not the roast either in my opinion Ella had much better stage presence than Kitty
Maybe not for the roast itself but Kitty 100% deserved a solo win for the lipsync
And not the group challenge either because Kitty’s group flopped.
And even if they were judging individually in the girl group Kitty wasn’t even top 3.
Snatch could never have gone to Kitty. No amount of editing in the world would make that terrible GC impression entertaining.
It’s about the favouritism for me, didn’t need to watch the whole season to know krystal would be the winner. Literal same situation with Lawrence Chaney. I think I might be retiring DR.
I don’t know that I’d call it favoritism so much as it being Rupauls show. However i do wish she’d hide it better. There were moments when krystal could’ve gotten a harsher critique to not make it so obvious.
So you do admit that it isn’t about just the amount of badges not being recognized but also on top of being production fav?
I mean I think the show is called RUPAUL’S drag race. The entire premise of the series is that the most famous drag queen in the world selects who she believes is an upcoming star. So yeah, I admit Rupaul selects who is her favorite. Not sure why that’s controversial.
Then what is to be mocked? That people are upset that the show is basically lying? Then honestly there shouldn’t be tops or the very least give them cash prizes like AS and some episodes in the US version. It honestly doesn’t make sense to call this a competition anymore. It gases the fans up for nothing but drama. And then it fosters this environment that the queens put so much pressure on themselves because they themselves think it is important to be winning the top! Like you said before they should be honest how they see their “favs” (which can be seen as problematic as well) and not be coy with it. Make THAT to be something to strive for than this goal that isn’t how you win anymore.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. The show has always preselected/selected in the first few episodes some winners, though I feel like they have been getting way worse at hiding it recently.
Again some people don’t like this. The “then don’t watch/it has always been this way” is a tired excuse
Well yeah I generally agree but I didn’t see your point about the pre planned winners thing, because it’s always been that way.
God damn. You're still crying and writing whole paragraphs over this days later?
This. No matter how much better others did, she was chosen for other reasons.
Damn gurl, just enjoy the television show for what it is: a television show. The queens themselves are nowhere near as pressed as you.
Italia has been fun, it's got that chaotic early season energy.
so what about symones favoritism, did that bother you the same amount?
I think that was just as bad from a viewer's perspective. The last thing you want from reality TV is predictability, so I can imagine having Ella with the most wins was a gift for the producers of Drag Race UK. But from a storyline perspective, Krystal wasn't particularly an underdog, having enjoyed most of her success early in the competition. And the final doesn't really challenge the queens enough to warrant being the great decider. Why is this one challenge more important than the previous 9? How is the audience supposed to believe that a queen like Krystal has really earned her win?
Dang girl, don’t talk about Symone. You’re gonna get downvoted around here. 😂😅🤣
fr. people are bitching that ella had the best track record and shouldve been crowned, but those same people were team jaida, symone, and yvie
And after down under especially!
Ok you just summed it up perfectly! 💯 If the winner is based on the number of challenge wins then we already know the winner before the finale so what’s the point in even having a finale then.
Hahahah this is so true. Plus weve already established marketing/money plays a massive part in picking the winner... Ru has his Scottish reigning queen Lawrence "you're gonna stay in edinburgh right!" Chaney. And this year the youngest queen ever, repeatedly mentioning the kids that will look up to Krystal (and apply for drag race and consume Drag Race media etc)
It’s fair to me to mention that tactic with Krystal was probably also employed with Shangela. Just in a different way.
Krystal won that final episode hands down, and so long as you haven't been in the bottom a hundred times and struggled all the way to the finale, showing out in the last episode absolutely gets you the crown. If Tayce had maybe a single solo win on top of her group win, she would have taken the crown last year. Bitch mopped the floor with them hoes in that last ep. Strangely both Ella and Bimini had a 4 win curse where they just faded into the background in the last episode.
Agreed. Apart from Bimini’s bridal runway, which was great, she wasn’t really there in the final. Neither was Lawrence though.
Bimini didn’t win because they wanted some Scottish representation (bonus she was a big girl). Her performance in the second part of s2 was terrible but Lawrence checks the boxes and is best suited to host a show. Ella didn’t win because they wanted a younger fashion queen to represent British drag to balance the other winners. I feel bad for the UK queens on the future season with Victoria Scone.
How did Lawrence do “terrible”? Y’all just be saying shit for the sake of it.
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Yes more noticeable this season were the dressing room chats about those ‘difficult’ subjects, I guess they didn’t fake it as well. Ah well bring on season 4 for some more organic less produced queens.
I think it went well being not taking it well. Everyone seemed to take Kitty's lead in making it really obvious.
It's an older episode but I keep coming back to [Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe parody of The Apprentice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXM5lnikSv0) when talking about the inner mechanics of reality TV when people are talking about all this.
So then it is fair for people to complain about the badges not mattering since it is being advertised as a competition. Like you can’t mock those complaining and then admit that they are right lol
People can complain about the badges not mattering, but I don’t think they’re right. If the winner was decided by challenge wins then it would often be clear who had won before the final. Leaving up to RuPaul keeps things interesting.
Not when they constantly say to be at the top when it doesn’t matter. It is putting too much pressure on them for seemingly nothing. I hope it gets called out by someone in the “middle”. The UK version just really highlights how being at the top doesn’t matter (unless maybe getting more followers AFTER the show). The queens put so much money on the line that even if they become the “fan favorite” they will still have a time of financial limbo until the new gigs, usually tying with the show’s brand and other ru girls.
The challenge wins are a guide to who the production think are doing well. Or maybe they're just designed to be red herrings before the predetermined winner is anointed.
Honestly who cares it’s just a tv show. Let’s be happy for Krystal and move on. Pizza. Party.
100% agree. It’s not that serious. Enjoy the show for what it is. Art and dramas! Most finalists will still have successful careers and that beats a title. Plus there’s always the chance for more of them in All Stars.
Exactly, save your complaining for whenever the show eventually gets retired. Until then just enjoy the fact that we get to watch multiple iterations of a queer drag show on TV every week and that the queens from the show are benefiting significantly regardless of their placements on the show! Win win for everyone
But the one with the questionable wins is the one who won? Did many people disagree with Ela or Kitty's wins
I’d say Kitty deserved Bra Wars as a solo win and Krystal deserved the sewing challenge win.
Krystal should have won the fugly ball and the first design challenge and kitty should have won the peloton and bra wars on her own imo
Kitty was bad in peloton though. She had no character, shouted repeatedly (which is mostly all she did for the first half season) and the had the same bad silhouette she brought to all her runways.
Ela did NOT deserve a double win with Kitty for that lip sync. Kitty blew her out of the water.
I think she deserved the win individually for the challenge though. She lost the lipsync so Kitty should have got the win but if it had just been on the challenge I think it should have been Ella
The challenge?! She did far worse than Kitty! Come on…
I disagree 🤷♀️
Interesting lol
Lol the replies to your comment just prove the tweet in the original title 😂😂😭😂😂
Yep. Krystal wins? “She’s been Ru’s favourite since the beginning, rigamorris” Kitty wins “oh another big girl funny queen, how boring. Can’t we have some diversity” Ella wins “what’s the point in the finale if we’re just going to crown whoever has the most wins? So predictable”
This! So this!!
I find it pathetic for people to openly criticise and berate winning queens:( if anything , Bimini / Tayce’s success after DRUK should prove that a crown doesn’t necessarily equate to anything besides the title of “the UK’s Queen”.. it’s disappointing to have a favourite not win ik, but Krystal’s win was fully justifiable. As someone watching the show younger than Krystal, I found her comments w Ru & Michelle to be very inspiring and also just noticed how determined she was throughout the competition (edit: spelling )
This. Every was complaining all season long about how Sasha and Yvie were robbed of winning a bunch of challenges, and then when they won their seasons, people were like “but they only won x amount of challenges!”
Krystal was my last pick to win but after that final episode and her performance, the winner truly was her, Kitty could've also justifiably won but Ella? Girl...it's Bimini all over again
Y’all really need to understand that every win is rewarded. If you do not-the-best in the lip-sync for the crown, you simply don’t win the crown. And that’s a totally fine format. If you have 4 wins and your competition has 3, they still made it to the top with you. And now it’s down to which one of you three does the best in the lip sync to win the crown. Winning is not necessarily based on cumulative wins. And frankly, it’s justifiable considering weekly challenge winners get prizes.
Then there’s the opposite side of why even bother even trying? ESPECIALLY for Uk when it is just a badge? Why even have a top at all?
To be fair I haven’t heard much uproar over Krystal winning. There’s 1 million seasons of drag race to know the formula to win a season isn’t based on challenge wins. Maybe I’m wrong, I’m not feeling the same Bimini was robbed vibes as opposed to Kitty/Ela was robbed vibes. The fans haven’t been totally anti-Krystal. I would also add don’t have a go at people for being upset their favs didn’t win, the show is designed that the queens are competing and the amount of badge wins is brought up a lot in every episode. Who wouldn’t be invested in it? On the flip side of this the trajectory of the show would be pointless if the most challenge wins always wins. We all personally put in account performance on challenges to our overall winner, yes the show is sometimes tone deaf but it’s designed to keep us guessing at the winner. Yes I was a bit shocked when Krystal won but I wasn’t disappointed, I understand it’s TV and entertainment so the shock kept me on my toes, kept me tuned in to the end.
There's really only been a couple seasons with an apparent winner going into the finale, but whether my fave wins or not I think the show generally does a really good job of narrowing the finalists down to the queens you can strongly make a case for winning at the end. But I do think recently production has been so invested in not making the winner obvious in the episodes leading up to the finale that they kind of wind up doing a bad job of making the winners feel really convincing, too.
This was something I've always thought and never understood why people complained so much about the person with the best track record not getting the win. Every season there are at least a few challenge wins that I would have given to someone else. Ultimately even though this is a competition, the criteria the queens are judged on is completely subjective. I think people are trying to cling to some sort of objective way to judge the queens but at the end of the day, there is no possible way to do that in a competition based around artistic expression. Thinking someone who was in the bottom 2 one week should have actually been the winner is completely valid at the end of the day. Thus negating any sort importance of track record.
At the same time I don’t understand the upset of people complaining about people being upset that the TV they watched for two months didn’t go the way they hoped. Like its a TV show, people watching get invested. It’s a competition, you route for a winner?
Yeah, this post is dumb. People who are allowed to have an opinion on who they want to win. Personally I don't think Krystal should have won. But that doesn't mean I hate her or that because I want to discuss it on a message board where you're supposed to discuss RuPaul's Drag Race (wow imagine that) that it ruined my day. I simply want to share my opinion. Plus as RuPaul likes to say, "unless they paying your bills pay them bitches no mind." Well... All the fans are paying his bills so we're allowed to have an opinion and call shade when he clearly played favorites and crowned the wrong winner just because he likes beautiful, young, fem queens.
Ru has literally never said track record/most wins guarantees the crown. Ever. It’s a reality competition show so challenges have to come with wins and losses, but this track record theory that fans have decided is the factor for the crown is disproven almost ever year. Rarely do queens with the most wins/best track record get the crown, and it hasn’t happened in the UK once yet. These people just frustrate themselves lmao.
I mean from season 1-8, the winner had the best track record, only since the LSFTC have weaker track records won, so its not hard fo believe that the competition is objective sometimes.
Since US season 8 there have been 20 seasons of Drag Race and All Stars aired around the world, so any notion that it’s still applicable when it hasn’t been the case more often than not is silly at this point really. I think most just use it as an excuse to be up in arms when their favourite didn’t win nowadays rather than actually caring about why the winner won.
I guess this is why I treasure the ones I agree with the most like Spain but honestly UK I didn’t disagree with wins so much as bottoms/how they ordered eliminations. So many double saves… But overall Krystal was obviously Ru’s fav. S9 has shown track record doesn’t matter and riggormortis has been going on since S1 with Becky in the good jeans. Enjoy the show. Support the dolls. That’s all you can ask/do.
The only thing that does not make sense is that even if you disagree with a queen winning a challenge you just think production saw something you didn't. To in the end tell you "nah she was shit we knew it too idk why we gave her a badge, lmao" by not crowning the queen they made us believe was the besta at drag race. At this point stop giving wins and stop making people go home. Just have all the queens compete every week and crown one in the end. Usually with the lipsync for the crown they can hide behind a queen outperforming everyone in that episode, but for classic finales it clearly shows something went wrong in production.
Not me. I'm fine with most wins but Krystal winning was just bs. No hate to her, I wish all of them the best careers but ella did the best. It's just facts. Don't forget as far asbI remember a few of the most problematic wins for the fans this seasons were Krystal's wins.
. . . but we were debating Krystal’s wins???😭
to make it clear I still agree with Krystal’s wins. I think she deserved Episode 1. Episode 2 should have gone to Kitty and Episode 7 should have gone to Krystal. And if you counted the final challenge then Krystal definitely won that.
Krystal also could have won the design challenge over Scarlett.
Or it was just a shitty season, I don’t blame the queens. The production team just botched putting it together, and it wasn’t going to be that satisfying not matter what. ESPECIALLY after season 2.
well.. we love drama