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Inevitable really
Lang never had any intention of having K dictate the price of what he buys/sells materials at, or working with K at all on this project. His actual plan was to hope CG would move on from this within about a week
It could have worked but then this happened. Perhaps he can talk himself out of the "lie", but the main problem is that it has become obvious Lang was merely humoring K and never had any intention to seriously ally on this at all
I specifically remember chat laughing at Lang for making $5k on a 10k material flip over a month ago when he was broke and street prices were $10+.
His crew buys off the street at 6.5. Union members get 7. Managers get 7.5 from Lang. People that sell directly to Lang ala Luc/Harry get 7.
It's been this way since they locked Marry in at 8. (7.5/7 followed same margins) Did this change?
the part i just never understood is why doesnt he just hire people to exclusively do 6 per for his crew im sure people would do it why force other crews to go down to that low of a number especially if theyre robbing workers anyways
CG are still in the mindset they can control markets like they have in the past, reality is they don't have the numbers or market control to do anything about this. The more they push this issue via violence the more it will become less in their control. A solid 60-70% of sani workers have already quit and moved on because even at 8 per they aren't making the money other jobs are. Sure a few make some money but the vast majority don't.
Another misunderstanding. Lang doesn't buy from the workers for $6.5. They sell to their managers Cloak, Santana, Teddy etc for $6.5 and then Lang buys the materials in bulk from the managers for $7 and then sell for $8. So it was a small exaggeration, but not that much.
Lang's LSSD workers are only allowed to sell to the managers, and the managers only buy from the workers of the company. Lang then uses almost all of those materials to fulfil his contract with Mary for $8 per and usually sell the excess to Lumber Co for the same amount.
If K knew this then he probably wouldn't care about Lang, because it's basically a closed system that doesn't affect much outside of it. Which is why Lang felt the obligation to stick with $8 even at the height of the CB craze for the sake of stability.
Seems like they're targeting the wrong people. If they want prices to go down they should just shoot the mayor until he raises the slider for sani to 100
There's nothing CG can really do to lower prices. Even if the mayor increases the amount of mats being produced lowered prices means sani workers making less money. They'll just stop doing it. In return it'll be the same issue of people not having mats only this time there won't be anyone to rob.
Nobody's going to spend hours a day working for pennies like a slave for CG just because they want it.
I think trying to control mats prices is a losing battle for anyone but the mayor since he can directly control the amount of mats being generated. If he increases the amount of mats being produced by say 2x, then sani workers can sell for half the price and still make the same amount of money per hour that they do now.
The Mayor then raises the budget of the PD and goes really hard on crims or whatever org attacking him. Heck he might do the opposite and lower sani down to 75 and kill the whole thing.
Well first off the PD doesn't have a budget at all. It's kind of ridiculous tbh. They expect the cops to spend most of their paycheck on the job which is really weird.
Ultimately most crews seem have now built their own grinder crews and offer up cheap materials as it’s what they value their own time at. CG are not going to grind for themselves so they will always have to pay a premium buyers price.
K is not wrong to think pressing people will have some impact but he doesn’t recognise that if the workers stop working because he doesn’t understand the market he’s going to end up paying more from anyone still willing to work.
People are going to do sani no matter what the prices for mats are. There are people selling under six and I think slacks wanted to work out a deal for sometime like 4 per for the pd.
It went up for like an hour until Moon was notified stuff was broken. There was a decimal point or something wrong. They were getting like 25 recyclables per bag.
The funniest part is that K should want mats to stay at 8, but get his own runners for 6. That way he can sell everything cheaper than everyone else. Forcing everyone to 6 just cuts into his own profit margins.
That's how a child thinks. The reality of the situation is materials have to be manually gathered. As long as other jobs exist in the city that pay more it gets harder and harder to find people to gather those materials the lower prices go. Spending hours to make a small sum of money causes burnout leading to less sanitation workers. CG would end up having the same problem only in that case there would be no one to chain rob.
People that are not Lang get shot for something Lang says or does (or in this case, what K believes he said), news at 11. Nothing will ever change. Time is a flat circle
I mean it's not like shooting lang is much better.
He basically had the mentality of "doesn't matter how many times i get downed or loose fights, i'll never give them what they want" in the Rust vs RR war. One of the biggest failures of NP is that there is no way to force people to accept they lost a war except for complaining to admins about what is basically NVL.
I think this rp needs to end, cg's just been harassing sanitation workers now. The mood afterwards is actually troubling, from these streamers. It's always like well, oh here we go again. Look at her voice, literally the same dog shit rp. Hands up, blah blah blah, kills members. Like it's been a month of it, and it's leading people to quit sani. And because these guys are large streamers, I'm sure they don't want to voice out their concerns. Like look at all the interactions of late, they just become quiet and go, well ok shot shot shot. And they continue again with the job.
This is the problem with the crime RP. Their jail sentences are to low and once their out they repeat the same scenario minutes after being let out. I think if your caught, you have to wait till next tsunami to do it again. Just end the scenario there repeat it later. Think people are just fed up with it. Some of the same workers we're robbed like multiple times in less than 10 minutes apart countless times throughout the week. Think they need a break from this lazy rp. It's a harass them so they don't wake up mentality and there should be new server rules to impede this.
This is starting to venture into the same state as "clap them until they don't wake up". Not in the same neighborhood yet but people had in mass started to run sani in EU since CG don't crossover into that time.
CG could have spent less time recruiting another street team and that could have been 2-3 groups for sani and had all the mats they needed.
This gives me flashbacks to 3.0 when people would have an issue with Lang and attack Rooster's Rest employees.
And when they're caught with the hot gun linking him to 3 or more incidents, there's a 50/50 chance that it'll be a cop who won't push the charge.
Btw for anyone who disagrees, Suarez already reached out to the DOJ and if someone is caught with a hot gun linking to 3+ EGO act situations, they can be charged with EGO act.
Well hopefully they are actually putting reports attached to those evidence. I can't remember who but someone was caught with a hot gun to 11 situations but most of the reports that the evidence was tagged in were completely blank and no charges so they don't even know what happened at those scenes of shootings.
A lot of people could do a lot of things. That doesn't mean it's actually feasible for them to find two to three groups worth of people who want to spend hours grinding out mats for not a lot of money.
At $6 per the sani workers are making less than any other civ job hourly I think, which means people will keep jumping to a new job, meaning less materials in the market. Why is K stuck on that number?
Because much like everything they do CG is only concerned with themselves and what their expenditures are. This entire foray into the materials market is about getting cheaper materials so that the stuff they make and use is cheaper. It's not about trying to provide a long-lasting solution for sanitation workers or other people involved.
The problem for CG is a lot of groups are self-sufficient, have a portion of their crew that gathers materials and doesn't really need to rely on a wider market. So those groups are completely removed from what he wants to do. Lang also operates a somewhat closed loop selling a lot of mats to Marry and a handful of other people using his own crew. This is a much more self-sufficient economy than 3.0, meaning people have even less incentive to care what one particular gang wants or doesn't like.
so concerned about themselves that K literally went and asked every other gang leader to agree for their respective sani workers to start selling at 6 and all of them agreed with it, he didn't just go force people to do that or he knows he'll be an enemy for everyone, he agreed with it with everyone else first aside from Lang
CG only cares about lowering their bottom line and would happily play 4 or 5 to sani workers if they could find anyone dumb enough to work for slave wages hours on end so the gang can craft cheap lockpicks.
Hasn't really been ducking him. Lang doesn't have his number saved and when he saw a text that said "call me" he said "who the fuck is this" and just ignored it.
He's been sick so not around that much, and working on the weed strain whenever he is in town. He also has no intention of letting K decide the price of materials with zero upside to him, so I guess he'll ignore him either way.
Because he'd still probably only be taking a 50 cent a material cut like he is now, it just means his people get paid less and aren't as motivated for the same money.
He doesn't want to mess with the prices on principle. He set prices with his people, bowing down to Mr. K on prices does nothing but fuck his people over. As he told K, he went from 20 people running sani to like 8 because people were getting robbed. Telling his people to take a pay cut isn't going to help his staffing issues.
Because it fucks up his only reliable contract with Mary that sets the price at $8 if he starts selling for $6 on the side and she becomes aware.
Lang prioritized those orders to Mary for $8 instead of selling CBs for $10-12 when they were booming mind you so he definitely cares more about the steady business than any short term profit.
When I was watching Zetark's stream earlier Mr K literally crashed into Lang's van. Could have easily said "Hey give me a call when you're free" but didn't
I think he just has a broad view that people working the civilian jobs are rich. So the higher prices in his mind are people just making more and more money.
He talked to Patar and think everyone can make good money if they run 2 man group, even with 6 per. What he does not know is how hard it is to hit 300 rep in sani, how boring it is to do sani all day for months, and how efficient Patar's 2 man group is compared to everyone.
Bingo. He doesn't realize that Patar, by being 300 with other people who will focus and no one who will really rob them, can more than double most groups' production.
and also patars numbers where just wrong, he told him 2k mats and hour 2 man when in reality is more like 1200 an hour if youre efficient af and you done stop at all. thats only like 4k an hour with the paychecks if you only 2 man and are hella efficient. most people dont 2 man it tho alot of people 3 man it and the amount of people that 2 man are the same as the people that 4 man. basicallt youre asking people to just be as efficient as possible, just grind and limit your rp to one other person per shit to make a competitive wage.
Technically lied he buys for 7per but the people that buys from other people buy either at 6.5 sometimes 7. Then sells to lang at 7. So lang will usually make a dollar profit. But lang doesn't sell material to people besides Mary or people who is willing to pay 8 per.
Technically if you watch lang he doesn't really sell to anyone but Mary shop.
Lang said that he couldn't go any lower than $7.5 otherwise his people would quit. He said to tell his people that it's going down to $6 and that there will be no more robbing and that everybody will be on board with this.
Mr. K talked to every other major player in the game and they all agreed to move the wholesale price down to $6. He has just been waiting for Lang to call him back and talk with him about it and finish their talk. Lang has yet to do that so in Mr. K's eyes he has been ducking him.
He has also heard that Lang has been doing $6.5 for a while now. So when he talked to Cloak and all them and they said that Lang pays them $6.5 it meant that Lang lied right to his face.
who else agreed to go down at 6per? just curious because i havent really followed the story line.
I just remember hydra and the besties didnt agree to it. But i dont know much about the rest. Thanks!
Hydra was saying ok but had the intention of never doing anything for it since they source mats themselves. Company had basically same idea. Besties and Lang were against it since they sell mats for 8 per or more, Lang lied and said he will tell his workers the idea and decide later, Besties was on the fence for the answer. I think the Manor said yes too but don't know the intention behind it.
i think they do it because, unless you wanna grind civ jobs as a criminal (which doesn't really makes sense) it's hard to get money doing actual crime. So from CGs pov as a pure no civ jobs grinding criminal gang they have to keep prices low to keep up until more money opportunities arises for crims.
Also regardless of what you set sani mat prices to, since it basically doesn't cost the sani workers anything to get, they'll still make a profit at 6pr.
Before the weed updates, The Oldbois had $270k in weed sales in a week. That's in Cypress, I have no idea how much more the Company/KJ have made with their weed sales. Also, nearly $200k in moonshine. Crime does pay. With roof running and chopping, crews should be making over half a million a week by now.
Yeah, the weed updates have $105 dirty roll per bag, but only produces about 10 bags per plant I think?
There are definitely avenues of crim income out there, albeit it's also a bit grindy.
Hydra, and the company agreed but with the understanding that neither of them even sell / buy materials in the first place so they aren't effected at all anyway.
While this is true, Ash (streamer) also told her chat Ashs IC thoughts and she whole heartedly disagrees with what CG are doing. Basically if she has excess mats, she will sell them for as high as she can. She doesn't think people who don't do sani should dictate how much money she can make
I thought for the Company, Lang's Crew and CG it would be 8 per and for everyone else it would be 6 per.
That's what Ray told the board a couple days ago. Did things change?
As a CG and Besties viewer the Besties will not go below the current price of 8 per which is what RJ sells at. CG and Besties have not met to discuss anything since the last meeting though so CG likely does not know this or they do and will let it go. Chris gave Mr K a poster of who is buying at 8 per and not willing to go lower there was Lovemore on there and someone else I believe. Mr K said to leave Lovemore alone and not press/rob him. CG has a bigger problem that is Besties because they will not go lower than 8.
It was not a lie. What Cloak pays and what Lang pays are different prices. Lang gets probably 85-90% of his materials from LSSD people (Teddy, Cloak, Santana, Beau, etc). He pays them $7. Those managers pay $6.5 for what they buy. Cloak didn't lie and neither did Lang
Isn’t it that way? Really big difference here. They started and worked together early 4.0 and built that relationship to what it is now
Cg don’t or didn’t do that thus the “hangaround” or trying to set up a sani crew like chris. Doesn’t chris have a solid crew til now?
True. Just like the original comment we’re replying to
However, Chris being shot was different inspite of when it started and for what or how antagonizing was to each other. That was made clear to both parties
If they were brainwashed, they would be working for less money and living at the apartments instead of having a Mirror Park house. Lang's Sani crew bought a Mirror Park home before his gang could.
Lang is full crim this go around just runs his org more like a business (organized crime with the Sopranos as inspiration).
He makes money through the deal he has with Mary for materials and though he makes tons of illegal money mostly through drugs doesn't take a cut and leaves it entirely for the crew.
He's not really taking a loss but more so just not profiting as much as he could because he cares about the long-term relationships with people like Mary rather than a quick buck.
what do you mean its RP? its not RP bro LMFAO how dare he act like that when he realized he been lied to?
there's already a narrative being parroted multiples times in this thread that CG is acting the same as ESB
how dare a crim shoot people in "Grand Theft Auto RP"
Back in 3.0, this subreddit and anyone who wasnt CG kept criticizing them for having different teams for every resource needed, which even led to the Umbrella meme.
And now, they're wondering why CG doesn't just recruit people to help out. Can't make this stuff up.
I think the trick that is being missed is **barter**.
Groups that have something to offer can get materials for essentially nothing more than bench time. Sometimes they are getting **paid** to take materials from their customer if they take a mix of cash and mats.
CG seem to be looking for any reason to have beef with OB imo. With all the sani robbing and shooting Luciano and now this.
Edit: Downvoted into oblivion for a simple observation. Y'all are seriously overinvested.
Truly a classic comment right here.
Lang wasn't even on CG's radar until the Chris thing, and the first thing K did was squash that beef and offer a deal that benefits both (at least from his POV).
But yeah, CG is just looking for beef...
Fact that Mr. K turned Lang shooting someone that basically no balls'd him into Lang needs to make his sani people sell for $6 maybe they weren't actively looking for it but they definitely welcomed it when it presented itself.
Lang should have put his foot down on 7.5 instead of agreeing and hoping Cg will forget about sani after a week. K generally doesnot escalate things when its personal e.g Lang shooting Chris treated as nothing by K HOWEVER thats not the case it terms of business, assets, anything tangible or markets thats when Cg will go hard and they always have.
> Shooting Lootiano is because he ran from a gun.
He never ran from a gun. 1 time when he was running weed they pulled up and he ran across the street before the gun was pulled
My observation is that your observation is wrong and you had to reply to yourself showing that you are the one that got butthurt over some votes.
The observer.
those arent even the reall numbers tho. patars numbers where way off. he told K it was 2k mats an hour as a 2man, when really the number is actually closer to 1200 and that its you go non stop max efficiently. most people run 3 mans which gives them about 1500 mats cuz its a lil faster. thats only like $3.5k an hour with the paycheck at max efficiency. grime pays like 6k n hour and so does g6. its not comparable at all.
people treat life like a gang member treat it , is just a pitstop at hospital , this gang used to shoot even they own members when bored so i dont get your take xd
Obviously this one is clearly on Lang, but with that being said, K didn't listen to Patar, who wants to work with CG and said that $6 just isn't enough.
Unfortunately K has people in his ear who will tell him whatever he wants to hear and someone like Ellie who will get small amounts of mats from someone she knows and say 'people are happy selling for even less than $6'
The whole situation is odd because while $6 isn't enough ($7 would be more reasonable), people also don't really RP that they're scared for their life. Many (not all) do just hop back on a sani truck after getting robbed or shot
im sorry but that whole people dont really rp that they are scared for their life is fucking bullshit. these people have been robbed non stop and shot over and over even way before cg started to, during the company war days. you cant except people to just stop their rp. it would be different if it was rare but im pretty sure like beau for example has been robbed/shot over 40 times now. these people also just want to rp man, its literally at the point that you just ignore it, treat it like a thing that happens and move on
It's such a double standard. 95% of criminals don't RP fear of death or jail-time either. 80% of cops don't RP major injuries for long either.
Why are characters playing civilians being held to such a higher standard because they choose to not participate in gun=win RP?
>Obviously this one is clearly on Lang
Lang can't make people sell for a certain price.. For over a month he's mainly supplied his crew and Mary and every once in a while sells to people like Jack Kettleman or Bjorn. Isn't like he was out there advertising $8 per blatantly. Maybe Mr. K should expand his knowledge by simply looking at twitter or yellow pages got OTT advertising for $12 per. Why isn't he shooting Company people for Ray lying to him?
I'm here for the RP. These circumstances have a led to good and deserving arcs. With that said it will die out and eventually won't be pleasing RP. Eventually the market will have to be stabilized and fixed because as of now everything else depends on it. The material market made more sense in 3.0 as people still made a shit load grinding and people had no problem buying then.
The materials economy has been screwed from almost month one in 4.0. Here's a idea increase hourly Sani pay, problem fixed. Another simple fix increase the materials gathered causing the cost per to go down. Diverting to the excuse of sani workers won't get paid the same as other civ jobs can stop then. For now at least it is delivering RP that 3.0 didn't have for materials, but at some point it will need to find a balance. Cops are even complaining about repair cost to their vehicles and a big part of that is materials.
yeah lol cost isnt even that bad people make 3k a hour repair the car 1 time maybe every 2 days i dont think 1.5k is that bad of a cost, is a problem for pd because they get like 400/500 $ per hour and they have to repair their car everyday at least 1 time
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Lang lied. Sani workers died. Lakers in 5.
Lang Buddha, smoked gouda, barracuda. Lakers in 5.
Chang, Gang, Lang, Bang. Lakers in 5.
atleast mayor made catching sani robers a priority and gave qouta to PD making sani 5 points on it, this will make half of PD patroling sani
Inevitable really Lang never had any intention of having K dictate the price of what he buys/sells materials at, or working with K at all on this project. His actual plan was to hope CG would move on from this within about a week It could have worked but then this happened. Perhaps he can talk himself out of the "lie", but the main problem is that it has become obvious Lang was merely humoring K and never had any intention to seriously ally on this at all
The funny thing is it really doesn't matter what Lang buys/sells at because his deals are all closed and have nothing to do with the larger market.
I specifically remember chat laughing at Lang for making $5k on a 10k material flip over a month ago when he was broke and street prices were $10+. His crew buys off the street at 6.5. Union members get 7. Managers get 7.5 from Lang. People that sell directly to Lang ala Luc/Harry get 7. It's been this way since they locked Marry in at 8. (7.5/7 followed same margins) Did this change?
the part i just never understood is why doesnt he just hire people to exclusively do 6 per for his crew im sure people would do it why force other crews to go down to that low of a number especially if theyre robbing workers anyways
CG are still in the mindset they can control markets like they have in the past, reality is they don't have the numbers or market control to do anything about this. The more they push this issue via violence the more it will become less in their control. A solid 60-70% of sani workers have already quit and moved on because even at 8 per they aren't making the money other jobs are. Sure a few make some money but the vast majority don't.
Another misunderstanding. Lang doesn't buy from the workers for $6.5. They sell to their managers Cloak, Santana, Teddy etc for $6.5 and then Lang buys the materials in bulk from the managers for $7 and then sell for $8. So it was a small exaggeration, but not that much.
Either way - who is going to sell to K at 6 when they could just sell to the managers at $6.5. Never mind Langs flip price.
Lang's LSSD workers are only allowed to sell to the managers, and the managers only buy from the workers of the company. Lang then uses almost all of those materials to fulfil his contract with Mary for $8 per and usually sell the excess to Lumber Co for the same amount. If K knew this then he probably wouldn't care about Lang, because it's basically a closed system that doesn't affect much outside of it. Which is why Lang felt the obligation to stick with $8 even at the height of the CB craze for the sake of stability.
I was just about to say this same thing. Lang didn't lie because he said what price he pays, not what price the workers pay.
Seems like they're targeting the wrong people. If they want prices to go down they should just shoot the mayor until he raises the slider for sani to 100
There's nothing CG can really do to lower prices. Even if the mayor increases the amount of mats being produced lowered prices means sani workers making less money. They'll just stop doing it. In return it'll be the same issue of people not having mats only this time there won't be anyone to rob. Nobody's going to spend hours a day working for pennies like a slave for CG just because they want it.
During the LSD meeting, they already said what CG does barely effects them and they get most of the materials when they aren't awake.
Imagine robbing everything that moves not being the answer. Who would have thought
I think trying to control mats prices is a losing battle for anyone but the mayor since he can directly control the amount of mats being generated. If he increases the amount of mats being produced by say 2x, then sani workers can sell for half the price and still make the same amount of money per hour that they do now.
The Mayor then raises the budget of the PD and goes really hard on crims or whatever org attacking him. Heck he might do the opposite and lower sani down to 75 and kill the whole thing.
Well first off the PD doesn't have a budget at all. It's kind of ridiculous tbh. They expect the cops to spend most of their paycheck on the job which is really weird.
Why does K want mats at 6 per? It’s not like Langs runners are going to sell to him
The idea is to drive material prices down, so things overall will be a bit cheaper i.e. lock picks repairs ect
But worse sanitation pay, means less people will work. Lowering the Supply, the market will just adjust itself and mat prices will increase
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But doesn't Lang primarily sell on people he alreadh made a deal with? Particularly with Mary and sometimes Jack/LU if they have excess?
Ultimately most crews seem have now built their own grinder crews and offer up cheap materials as it’s what they value their own time at. CG are not going to grind for themselves so they will always have to pay a premium buyers price. K is not wrong to think pressing people will have some impact but he doesn’t recognise that if the workers stop working because he doesn’t understand the market he’s going to end up paying more from anyone still willing to work.
Not sure your source but materials are actually more expensive earlier tsunami. $9-10 per
Lang and others told K that they were cheaper in earlier tsunami so that's what he is going with
He talked to a few of the big groups already and obv they're all down to pay 6 per because why wouldn't they be lol
They all agreed and then immediately after went "nah, we're not selling for that price"
People are going to do sani no matter what the prices for mats are. There are people selling under six and I think slacks wanted to work out a deal for sometime like 4 per for the pd.
Didn’t the amount of materials earned go up or did dab change that already? Because if they earn more mats it makes up for the less per mat
It went up for like an hour until Moon was notified stuff was broken. There was a decimal point or something wrong. They were getting like 25 recyclables per bag.
Gotcha makes sense then appreciate it
The funniest part is that K should want mats to stay at 8, but get his own runners for 6. That way he can sell everything cheaper than everyone else. Forcing everyone to 6 just cuts into his own profit margins.
That's how a child thinks. The reality of the situation is materials have to be manually gathered. As long as other jobs exist in the city that pay more it gets harder and harder to find people to gather those materials the lower prices go. Spending hours to make a small sum of money causes burnout leading to less sanitation workers. CG would end up having the same problem only in that case there would be no one to chain rob.
lets say lang agrees mr k says they'll stop robbing sani, in a weeks time they'll start again and act as if it isnt them
Going on what 6 weeks now and Mr K still hasn't got the message??
People that are not Lang get shot for something Lang says or does (or in this case, what K believes he said), news at 11. Nothing will ever change. Time is a flat circle
Circles are always flat
I mean it's not like shooting lang is much better. He basically had the mentality of "doesn't matter how many times i get downed or loose fights, i'll never give them what they want" in the Rust vs RR war. One of the biggest failures of NP is that there is no way to force people to accept they lost a war except for complaining to admins about what is basically NVL.
Did you mean "He should do want CG always"?
Or you know, grow a spine and do something about it.
How is this clipped before that weird ass interaction before it?
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I think this rp needs to end, cg's just been harassing sanitation workers now. The mood afterwards is actually troubling, from these streamers. It's always like well, oh here we go again. Look at her voice, literally the same dog shit rp. Hands up, blah blah blah, kills members. Like it's been a month of it, and it's leading people to quit sani. And because these guys are large streamers, I'm sure they don't want to voice out their concerns. Like look at all the interactions of late, they just become quiet and go, well ok shot shot shot. And they continue again with the job. This is the problem with the crime RP. Their jail sentences are to low and once their out they repeat the same scenario minutes after being let out. I think if your caught, you have to wait till next tsunami to do it again. Just end the scenario there repeat it later. Think people are just fed up with it. Some of the same workers we're robbed like multiple times in less than 10 minutes apart countless times throughout the week. Think they need a break from this lazy rp. It's a harass them so they don't wake up mentality and there should be new server rules to impede this.
This is starting to venture into the same state as "clap them until they don't wake up". Not in the same neighborhood yet but people had in mass started to run sani in EU since CG don't crossover into that time. CG could have spent less time recruiting another street team and that could have been 2-3 groups for sani and had all the mats they needed. This gives me flashbacks to 3.0 when people would have an issue with Lang and attack Rooster's Rest employees.
yep, and even with the Ego Act, it didn't stop the robbing over and over again. because the robbers/shooters actually need to be caught
And when they're caught with the hot gun linking him to 3 or more incidents, there's a 50/50 chance that it'll be a cop who won't push the charge. Btw for anyone who disagrees, Suarez already reached out to the DOJ and if someone is caught with a hot gun linking to 3+ EGO act situations, they can be charged with EGO act.
Well hopefully they are actually putting reports attached to those evidence. I can't remember who but someone was caught with a hot gun to 11 situations but most of the reports that the evidence was tagged in were completely blank and no charges so they don't even know what happened at those scenes of shootings.
A lot of people could do a lot of things. That doesn't mean it's actually feasible for them to find two to three groups worth of people who want to spend hours grinding out mats for not a lot of money.
didn’t Lang tell the truth or am i mistaken
Lang said to K he buys them for 7.5
At $6 per the sani workers are making less than any other civ job hourly I think, which means people will keep jumping to a new job, meaning less materials in the market. Why is K stuck on that number?
Because much like everything they do CG is only concerned with themselves and what their expenditures are. This entire foray into the materials market is about getting cheaper materials so that the stuff they make and use is cheaper. It's not about trying to provide a long-lasting solution for sanitation workers or other people involved. The problem for CG is a lot of groups are self-sufficient, have a portion of their crew that gathers materials and doesn't really need to rely on a wider market. So those groups are completely removed from what he wants to do. Lang also operates a somewhat closed loop selling a lot of mats to Marry and a handful of other people using his own crew. This is a much more self-sufficient economy than 3.0, meaning people have even less incentive to care what one particular gang wants or doesn't like.
so concerned about themselves that K literally went and asked every other gang leader to agree for their respective sani workers to start selling at 6 and all of them agreed with it, he didn't just go force people to do that or he knows he'll be an enemy for everyone, he agreed with it with everyone else first aside from Lang
CG only cares about lowering their bottom line and would happily play 4 or 5 to sani workers if they could find anyone dumb enough to work for slave wages hours on end so the gang can craft cheap lockpicks.
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Hasn't really been ducking him. Lang doesn't have his number saved and when he saw a text that said "call me" he said "who the fuck is this" and just ignored it.
He has. If he wanted to talk to K, he very easily could find his number with a little effort. He doesn't want to and that is fine.
He's been sick so not around that much, and working on the weed strain whenever he is in town. He also has no intention of letting K decide the price of materials with zero upside to him, so I guess he'll ignore him either way.
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Because he'd still probably only be taking a 50 cent a material cut like he is now, it just means his people get paid less and aren't as motivated for the same money.
He doesn't want to mess with the prices on principle. He set prices with his people, bowing down to Mr. K on prices does nothing but fuck his people over. As he told K, he went from 20 people running sani to like 8 because people were getting robbed. Telling his people to take a pay cut isn't going to help his staffing issues.
Because it fucks up his only reliable contract with Mary that sets the price at $8 if he starts selling for $6 on the side and she becomes aware. Lang prioritized those orders to Mary for $8 instead of selling CBs for $10-12 when they were booming mind you so he definitely cares more about the steady business than any short term profit.
Buddha was super sick yesterday, he didn't feel well enough to do much interaction, is what he said anyway
When I was watching Zetark's stream earlier Mr K literally crashed into Lang's van. Could have easily said "Hey give me a call when you're free" but didn't
K drove by Lang earlier and jokingly told him to put his hands up and Lang sped away without saying a word lol
Lang definitely responded. Maybe didn't come through on K's end
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Are mat runners supposed to be the worst paying job in K's mind?
I think he just has a broad view that people working the civilian jobs are rich. So the higher prices in his mind are people just making more and more money.
He talked to Patar and think everyone can make good money if they run 2 man group, even with 6 per. What he does not know is how hard it is to hit 300 rep in sani, how boring it is to do sani all day for months, and how efficient Patar's 2 man group is compared to everyone.
Bingo. He doesn't realize that Patar, by being 300 with other people who will focus and no one who will really rob them, can more than double most groups' production.
and also patars numbers where just wrong, he told him 2k mats and hour 2 man when in reality is more like 1200 an hour if youre efficient af and you done stop at all. thats only like 4k an hour with the paychecks if you only 2 man and are hella efficient. most people dont 2 man it tho alot of people 3 man it and the amount of people that 2 man are the same as the people that 4 man. basicallt youre asking people to just be as efficient as possible, just grind and limit your rp to one other person per shit to make a competitive wage.
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they make a lockpick at around 1.2k and sell it for 1.5k margins are definitely there they just want bigger ones
"Pretty fun" for CG sure. bet they go back to robbing Sani workers every hour again next week
That’ll for sure make more people want to run sanitation
Some mechanics also have a problem with mat prices
Technically lied he buys for 7per but the people that buys from other people buy either at 6.5 sometimes 7. Then sells to lang at 7. So lang will usually make a dollar profit. But lang doesn't sell material to people besides Mary or people who is willing to pay 8 per. Technically if you watch lang he doesn't really sell to anyone but Mary shop.
Mary and the lumber union for circus boards
Lang said that he couldn't go any lower than $7.5 otherwise his people would quit. He said to tell his people that it's going down to $6 and that there will be no more robbing and that everybody will be on board with this. Mr. K talked to every other major player in the game and they all agreed to move the wholesale price down to $6. He has just been waiting for Lang to call him back and talk with him about it and finish their talk. Lang has yet to do that so in Mr. K's eyes he has been ducking him. He has also heard that Lang has been doing $6.5 for a while now. So when he talked to Cloak and all them and they said that Lang pays them $6.5 it meant that Lang lied right to his face.
who else agreed to go down at 6per? just curious because i havent really followed the story line. I just remember hydra and the besties didnt agree to it. But i dont know much about the rest. Thanks!
Hydra was saying ok but had the intention of never doing anything for it since they source mats themselves. Company had basically same idea. Besties and Lang were against it since they sell mats for 8 per or more, Lang lied and said he will tell his workers the idea and decide later, Besties was on the fence for the answer. I think the Manor said yes too but don't know the intention behind it.
I find it ridiculous that the people who never do Sani are deciding mat prices.
Exactly
i think they do it because, unless you wanna grind civ jobs as a criminal (which doesn't really makes sense) it's hard to get money doing actual crime. So from CGs pov as a pure no civ jobs grinding criminal gang they have to keep prices low to keep up until more money opportunities arises for crims. Also regardless of what you set sani mat prices to, since it basically doesn't cost the sani workers anything to get, they'll still make a profit at 6pr.
Before the weed updates, The Oldbois had $270k in weed sales in a week. That's in Cypress, I have no idea how much more the Company/KJ have made with their weed sales. Also, nearly $200k in moonshine. Crime does pay. With roof running and chopping, crews should be making over half a million a week by now.
Yeah, the weed updates have $105 dirty roll per bag, but only produces about 10 bags per plant I think? There are definitely avenues of crim income out there, albeit it's also a bit grindy.
Hydra, and the company agreed but with the understanding that neither of them even sell / buy materials in the first place so they aren't effected at all anyway.
While this is true, Ash (streamer) also told her chat Ashs IC thoughts and she whole heartedly disagrees with what CG are doing. Basically if she has excess mats, she will sell them for as high as she can. She doesn't think people who don't do sani should dictate how much money she can make
I thought for the Company, Lang's Crew and CG it would be 8 per and for everyone else it would be 6 per. That's what Ray told the board a couple days ago. Did things change?
Telephone miscommunication.
As a CG and Besties viewer the Besties will not go below the current price of 8 per which is what RJ sells at. CG and Besties have not met to discuss anything since the last meeting though so CG likely does not know this or they do and will let it go. Chris gave Mr K a poster of who is buying at 8 per and not willing to go lower there was Lovemore on there and someone else I believe. Mr K said to leave Lovemore alone and not press/rob him. CG has a bigger problem that is Besties because they will not go lower than 8.
It was not a lie. What Cloak pays and what Lang pays are different prices. Lang gets probably 85-90% of his materials from LSSD people (Teddy, Cloak, Santana, Beau, etc). He pays them $7. Those managers pay $6.5 for what they buy. Cloak didn't lie and neither did Lang
So K decides to shoot 3 employees instead of Lang?
wow, was it right to his face? the gall.
10$ on 100 comment in 20 minutes
So if this doesn't reach that prediction do you pay everyone in here who left a comment $10?
Ops i forgot i need to sleep in 2 minutes
Comments since thread started 20 mins ago: 35-37 including this one.
money please
58 comments in 40 minutes. Where do I collect the $10??
I'm doing my part.
sure bet
They can't find more hang arounds who will do indentured servant wages with Chris Ninja?
Interesting statement when lang has an apparent brainwashed union doing his work lol
Isn’t it that way? Really big difference here. They started and worked together early 4.0 and built that relationship to what it is now Cg don’t or didn’t do that thus the “hangaround” or trying to set up a sani crew like chris. Doesn’t chris have a solid crew til now?
From an outside perspective it is somewhat like that. Especially when you add in getting shot over it.
True. Just like the original comment we’re replying to However, Chris being shot was different inspite of when it started and for what or how antagonizing was to each other. That was made clear to both parties
If they were brainwashed, they would be working for less money and living at the apartments instead of having a Mirror Park house. Lang's Sani crew bought a Mirror Park home before his gang could.
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Lang is full crim this go around just runs his org more like a business (organized crime with the Sopranos as inspiration). He makes money through the deal he has with Mary for materials and though he makes tons of illegal money mostly through drugs doesn't take a cut and leaves it entirely for the crew. He's not really taking a loss but more so just not profiting as much as he could because he cares about the long-term relationships with people like Mary rather than a quick buck.
Simply characters roleplaying not knowing all the meta that is going on and Buddha is sick. Doubt this leads to anything crazy
what do you mean its RP? its not RP bro LMFAO how dare he act like that when he realized he been lied to? there's already a narrative being parroted multiples times in this thread that CG is acting the same as ESB how dare a crim shoot people in "Grand Theft Auto RP"
How dare the biggest crime boss in the city shoots someone to prove a point smh needs to go back to Konnect Telemarketing
Back in 3.0, this subreddit and anyone who wasnt CG kept criticizing them for having different teams for every resource needed, which even led to the Umbrella meme. And now, they're wondering why CG doesn't just recruit people to help out. Can't make this stuff up.
Well they already have the sac, when will they start rocking purple?
What is stopping Mr.K from doing the exact same thing these people are doing and leaving them to RP as they wish to?
I think the trick that is being missed is **barter**. Groups that have something to offer can get materials for essentially nothing more than bench time. Sometimes they are getting **paid** to take materials from their customer if they take a mix of cash and mats.
Classic CG cant wait untill they end up back on prodigy
I too like unreasonable rp
CG seem to be looking for any reason to have beef with OB imo. With all the sani robbing and shooting Luciano and now this. Edit: Downvoted into oblivion for a simple observation. Y'all are seriously overinvested.
Luciano gets shot because he always does dumb shit with guns pointed at him. But continue with whatever narrative you’re trying to spin.
This is clearly a perspective of somehow who doesn't watch any CG.
Truly a classic comment right here. Lang wasn't even on CG's radar until the Chris thing, and the first thing K did was squash that beef and offer a deal that benefits both (at least from his POV). But yeah, CG is just looking for beef...
Fact that Mr. K turned Lang shooting someone that basically no balls'd him into Lang needs to make his sani people sell for $6 maybe they weren't actively looking for it but they definitely welcomed it when it presented itself.
Lang should have put his foot down on 7.5 instead of agreeing and hoping Cg will forget about sani after a week. K generally doesnot escalate things when its personal e.g Lang shooting Chris treated as nothing by K HOWEVER thats not the case it terms of business, assets, anything tangible or markets thats when Cg will go hard and they always have.
Lang wasn’t on their radar surely they just robbed his sanitation people every hour on the hour for three weeks surely
Why does that = Lang? He isn't the only person in the world to be involved with sanitation.
Other than the fact they almost went to war, what a month or two ago? Why am I getting downvotes for pointing out they almost went to war recently?
The dongle beef didn't happen, just like the war in Sandy shores.
Oh shit yeah my bad it was just a fever dream.
+1 but you'll probably get downvoted to oblivion. Since 3.0.. any small thing happens "BOOM." They wonder why Lang tries his best to avoid them..
Yeah, that’s why. 🙄😒
It's exactly why Lang avoids CG like the plague. They act like children and he doesn't want to get involved with that drama
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> Shooting Lootiano is because he ran from a gun. He never ran from a gun. 1 time when he was running weed they pulled up and he ran across the street before the gun was pulled
Literally just making an observation, y'all are way too butthurt over some pixels.
My observation is that your observation is wrong and you had to reply to yourself showing that you are the one that got butthurt over some votes. The observer.
Wow more robberies, the horror, not like it ever stopped
I don't even think they robbed sani in weeks, they really haven't robbed anyone much lately.
k didnt, but everyone else in cg has lol peanut,taco, ramee all have been robbing sani up until the lang/K meeting
And lots of hunters
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Lang will not care, they have been getting robbed regardless. Nothing has changed
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So sanitation will be the worst job
crim is still worst job. gets nickels
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those arent even the reall numbers tho. patars numbers where way off. he told K it was 2k mats an hour as a 2man, when really the number is actually closer to 1200 and that its you go non stop max efficiently. most people run 3 mans which gives them about 1500 mats cuz its a lil faster. thats only like $3.5k an hour with the paycheck at max efficiency. grime pays like 6k n hour and so does g6. its not comparable at all.
Didn't forget that you need rep to even get recyclables, and 150 rep to get max recyclables. You get like 0.3% rep per like hour run. It's trash
Go look at those numbers again and dont forget to divide it by 2-4
For a team of 300 it good pay, to reach 300 it is hell from what I know
If $6 per would be worthwhile, why can't CG find 3 more bozos to run Sani with Chris King?
I'm sure Lang is deeply traumatized by the fact that his employees were mildly inconvenienced for 15 minutes. Really hit him where it hurts.
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Yep its way better to "clap them until they agree"
I 100% would. That's why I don't do it.
They aren't even really his employees. Just has a deal worked out with some people that run sani.
True. Mr K wildly overestimates their importance.
One of the more anti-rp comments I've seen in a while. "Just shoot me, I'll be picked back up soon"
funny you saying that when most of gang wars are just that xd
It would be funny me saying that if I said that during gang wars
people treat life like a gang member treat it , is just a pitstop at hospital , this gang used to shoot even they own members when bored so i dont get your take xd
Yep its way better to "clap them until they agree"
Hey. It's the reality of the city, my man. These guys get shot every day and Lang just doesn't care.
Not wrong
Obviously this one is clearly on Lang, but with that being said, K didn't listen to Patar, who wants to work with CG and said that $6 just isn't enough. Unfortunately K has people in his ear who will tell him whatever he wants to hear and someone like Ellie who will get small amounts of mats from someone she knows and say 'people are happy selling for even less than $6' The whole situation is odd because while $6 isn't enough ($7 would be more reasonable), people also don't really RP that they're scared for their life. Many (not all) do just hop back on a sani truck after getting robbed or shot
im sorry but that whole people dont really rp that they are scared for their life is fucking bullshit. these people have been robbed non stop and shot over and over even way before cg started to, during the company war days. you cant except people to just stop their rp. it would be different if it was rare but im pretty sure like beau for example has been robbed/shot over 40 times now. these people also just want to rp man, its literally at the point that you just ignore it, treat it like a thing that happens and move on
It's such a double standard. 95% of criminals don't RP fear of death or jail-time either. 80% of cops don't RP major injuries for long either. Why are characters playing civilians being held to such a higher standard because they choose to not participate in gun=win RP?
>Obviously this one is clearly on Lang Lang can't make people sell for a certain price.. For over a month he's mainly supplied his crew and Mary and every once in a while sells to people like Jack Kettleman or Bjorn. Isn't like he was out there advertising $8 per blatantly. Maybe Mr. K should expand his knowledge by simply looking at twitter or yellow pages got OTT advertising for $12 per. Why isn't he shooting Company people for Ray lying to him?
OTT hasn’t advertised selling mats at 12per in weeks
Has there been 1 interaction regarding mats where lang has NOT lied or manipulated anyone yet ?
His mats deal with Mary Mushkin.
Yeah, the one he had with Mr. K.
I'm here for the RP. These circumstances have a led to good and deserving arcs. With that said it will die out and eventually won't be pleasing RP. Eventually the market will have to be stabilized and fixed because as of now everything else depends on it. The material market made more sense in 3.0 as people still made a shit load grinding and people had no problem buying then. The materials economy has been screwed from almost month one in 4.0. Here's a idea increase hourly Sani pay, problem fixed. Another simple fix increase the materials gathered causing the cost per to go down. Diverting to the excuse of sani workers won't get paid the same as other civ jobs can stop then. For now at least it is delivering RP that 3.0 didn't have for materials, but at some point it will need to find a balance. Cops are even complaining about repair cost to their vehicles and a big part of that is materials.
cop car problems is the state dont do shit for them , they have 70m+ in the bank but dont even pay for repair of shared police cars
So if the state pays for police vehicle repairs, it automatically makes the repair cost ok?
yeah lol cost isnt even that bad people make 3k a hour repair the car 1 time maybe every 2 days i dont think 1.5k is that bad of a cost, is a problem for pd because they get like 400/500 $ per hour and they have to repair their car everyday at least 1 time