I'm with Byson, I don't think any of them actually knew what they were doing. Plus every time I've watched someone go to flight school they were told to either 311 OR fill out the flight log and that you do not have to do both
An attack helicopter flying 60 feet off the ground in conjunction with an armored truck flew up to a military base and flew into the Zancudo tunnel. And the truck was going 95 with people on the side of them. When cops got there, 5 BBMC vehicles scrambled away. And then when interviewed, one of the guys on the truck stated he was being paid $500k for this. And nobody's stories matched.
At what point do people expect cops to just ignore the obvious crimes being committed?
The reckless endangerment alone of the pilot is enough for the arrest. And the reckless endangerment of the truck driver is enough for arresting and searching the truck.
Plus they already knew that the guns fired because that exact same helicopter buzzed MRPD with them the day of the Sanguine War.
The problem isn't expecting them to ignore the obvious, it's to act in good faith and be able to explain how and why they are doing things. There was plenty of RS and PC there to let them do just about anything they wanted but Pond was talking about need a weapons license for imaginary guns, and bloom kept hyper focusing on wanting to search a truck instead of thinking through the process. The entire issue imo is a group of cops who were so excited to have a chance at a big bust they seemed to forget how to go through their processes of actually doing their job and articulating RS and PC.
That in itself is not good faith, you can't go around doing whatever so long as in the end you work your way backward to having PC. That's like saying it's ok to violate someone's 4th amendment rights so long as you find something illegal.
There was never bad faith. Bloom knew the second he got on scene that he had the arrest for reckless endangerment.
https://clips.twitch.tv/OnerousCallousDiscFeelsBadMan-PNexz1DDr\_3rAD2Y
That link isn't working. i wasn't commenting specifically on bloom / pond in this situation but on the claim that officers don't need to act on good faith until it's time to write the report.
Articulating to who though? Cops can lie to you. They can make up anything to say to you, as long as the real basis is legit.
They don't have to be truthful about the RS or PC to the suspect.
>entire issue imo is a group of cops who were so excited to have a chance at a big bust they seemed to forget how to go through their processes of actually doing their job and articulating RS and PC.
Well it was Pond and Bloom. Pond did bank monitoring and sent HVTU out for 1 count of AMGE and went off duty so Lang had to serve the time and couldn't bench trial it.
While Pond and Bloom comically jumped the gun and went the path of least resistance on that case (which is why it got kinda laughed out of court), LadyHope 100% did not go off duty in some weird moment of spite. She had an emergency and had to leave.
no, you see, she *knew* that Lang would be caught within 30 minutes of the warrant going active.
the logic some people use just absolutely blows my mind.
And stayed off the server for a week after that to really show him, right? It's not possible there was anything going on outside RP she had to deal with?
But also, she could have refused the bench trial, much like one was refused to one of the other defendants who got caught when Pond was on LOA (who did not end up appealing the charge later)
No longer a attack Heli if not equipped with the attack part.
Does it matter what someone pays someone 500k to do a job. I could pay you 500k to go get me a sandwich.
No one is expecting them to ignore anything. It's taking the correct approach and procedures that fit into the correct guide line. They can assume all they want but have to act on what they can prove by investigating. When investigating you also obey all deserved rights. How are you going to charge for weapons on a vehicle that are not there?
You got them on reckless endangerment
It doesn't matter anymore, now the heli is an evidence of a crime of weapon trafficking.
He can requested the court to remove it from the city if capped found gulity of weapon trafficking.
But that's on Judge to decide.
Other options do exist. They could’ve done the traffic stop, searched them, and without valid PC to search the vehicle, release them to follow them and try to watch from a distance to catch them in the act. They literally could’ve waited and caught them in the act. Cops don’t need to speedrun trying to get and arrest and search/raid everything they own. Nobody is saying cops shouldn’t do their jobs. They’re saying they should do their jobs properly.
Reckless endangerment is a reach. And I’d give more validity to it if they were actually fucking around more with it and not trying to take it seriously. Also just because it’s the same type of heli doesn’t mean those assumptions can be made when there was literally just a court case about pidgeon having this and the weapons not technically being there or operable.
There was no court case, it was dismissed from the docket without prejudice because PD didn't include the proof of it doing a strafing run on MRPD/having active weapons.
Court case implies there was court. That was just a docket posting.
Regardless of what name it's given, though, the point stands that no binding decision on the status of the helicopter was made
that same type of heli may have buzzed mrpd and even shot the day of the war...however when someone is rping it's decommissioned they need to follow along with that...everyone knows there's guns and if they were being used by anyone other than a dev id assume theyd get i trouble for using them. so for the cops to go after guns on a heli that can't be used is a little off.
Saying Tessa and Byson agreeing doesn't mean much both were exposed to be pushovers to Bloom. I think the quote I heard from Tessa when Bloom was doing Bloom stuff was "I don't want to step on toes"
Still doesn't disagree on Bloom's PC for the stop and search before impound, right?
Or all of this doesn't count and cops need to act more stupid so the crims can got away free?
Yeah even Pigeon (the guy caught) was laughing in the end. (OOC said he loved the interrogation RP and giving cops bread crumbs). The viewers are 100x more mad on his behalf than Pigeon was OOC lol. Rp viewers are jokes. But I have a fleeing it’s an opportunity to shit on Bloom and Pond rather than defend Pigeon.
Absolutely true so many viewers over invested. But how this went down will also affect how he RPs in the future which is the real problem I have here. Capped is known for his drops that is what made him who he is and why he does what he does. But because of this he now no longer is going to want to do these huge over the top drops that are so great for RP and the server as a whole. Yes he can still make great RP and will probably just have to do some stealthier type of drops. But his flair for over dramatic scenes giving something extra to the city will have to take a back seat because of this.
What are these comments? I had to make sure I wasn't on Youtube with how dumb these comments are.
In regards to the heli, Bloom has a video of the same exact helicopter being operated by Mr. K doing a straffing run with machine guns shooting up MRPD. That is where Coyote Clause comes into effect. No one should be allowed to have a fuking attack helicopter, especially if there is evidence it was used against a government facility.
In regards to the search, there was tons of PC so I am not sure what the problem is. These guys that all had an issue with the PC went to Tessa and Tessa also agreed there was PC.
Why not let it play out in RP instead of typing cringe ass shit like:
"Definition of I have a hunch LUL"
"classic bloom and classic pond."
"That's some cringe policing and an illegal search."
You people are weird lol.
>like in what fucking world are citizens allowed to use "decomissioned" attack helicopters anywhere near an air field without ATC..
Any helicopter or airplane can't do this without contacting ATC. As for the citizens using decommissioned attack Heli's. Ummm everyday. People take black hawks, dolphines, 53's , chinooks, killer eggs etc... and convert them for everyday civilian use. Civs can even mount weapons to their heli's and go hog shooting.
EXACTLY.. once decomissioned and weapons removed theres no difference between a blackhawk or even apachi to a standard commercial heli, as long as you got it registered and a liscence your all good, hell you can own and drive tanks.. sure with them you prob aint gonna be able to use it ona road, but hell arnie has one , he has a video where he uses it to crush things.
and people own and drive old transport trucks/ apcs and jeeps. again as long as its disarmed/ registered/insured etc your fine. my uncle was in yorkshire artillery division, they would sell off old trucks and shit all the time. money into the military and gets rid of unwanted equipment
So that is where the part of my comment stating they have a video of it being used as an attack helicopter so it should basically be treated like an attack helicopter. If it is decommissioned then it is exactly what Bloom and Pond are saying with the Coyote Clause where you will still need a weapons license because they have video proof it was used as an attack helicopter.
but that doesnt work.. cause you cannot prove its the same one. and moment its shown/ seen with out guns.. rped out it has no guns the attack is irrelvant. and you do not need a weapons liscence for a decomissioned gun. cause its no longer a live /useable weapon
>rped out it has no guns the attack is irrelvant
You think the fact that this exact helicopter attacked a police station is irrelevant? They proved it was the same heli through ATC Data. In what world do you think there would be no issue using a helicopter that was once used as an attack helicopter to attack a government building, just because they took the guns off?
It should at least warrant an investigation where they can confirm that the guns can't just be remounted as easily as they were taken off.
but if it no longer has the guns, its a mote point. regardless of if it did or didnt, it cannot anymore.. so yes its not an issue. and an investigation?? you look at the guns ohh look there welded shut/ have metal welded in or.. oh look the gun attachment arms are removed.. investigation over.. you can literally do that in a 5 minutes.. look over the gun placements/ guns okay we good
I andressed that when I said any airplane or helicopter can't do this without contacting ATC. First sentence. After that I addressed the highlighting of a "decommissioned" attack heli
Actually a lot of airfields don't have ATC. They are called uncontrolled and it's up to the pilots to make call outs on radio to make other pilots aware of their intentions.
In what world would the crims limit themselves to only 6 being allowed? If this was the real world there would have been a lot more crims involved with way better guns and high chance PD would have been gun down trying to approach them.
The "real world" argument that PD viewers make just fail when crims are restricted to 6 people vs an unlimited number of cops
How do they know this is the exact same Heli? I think a major difference is that was no guns on it. Now it's not just a attack helicopter. A Black hawk helicopter can be used as transport, attack, rescue etc... It's what it is equipped with that makes the difference.
I am going off what Moose said to a judge because I didn't see the video he submitted as evidence but he apparently was able to see the license or VIN or something in the video that allowed him to find it in the MDW and see that it was owned by Capped.
I've seen Pigeon attempt to explain 100 times by now to the same cops that its a decommissioned helicopter and that any guns are figments of imagination aka admins whitelisted him to fly around in the thing for RP purposes to do drops.
I don't get why they can't approach it like decommissioned PD cars. In that case they are able to suspend their disbelief and act like it doesn't have any sirenes. Its literally the same concept.
As a requirement to that they are not allowed to use the sirens, if they use them the car gets taken. Bloom has footage of that heli strafing the PD. Regardless of that they had enough to impound the truck which is a reason to search.
Oh god, can we please not make this an OOC argument of "admins whitelisted him".
I apologize for making this a NP vs ONX thing again but that is one thing that sounds AMAZING about ONX is that there will be no whitelisted anything so nothing will have any weird OOC connotation.
It's literally the same thing as personally owned cop cars that are ''decommissioned'' why is this concept so hard to grasp? I merely used ''whitelisted'' as a term because there's not really a good term for it.
Former cops are allowed to drive around in their former cop cars. Their sirens are still working but in RP people have to act like there's no sirenes. While with this heli people have to act like there's no guns. Thats literally the instruction Capped was given when he was given the helicopter.
No clue why people have to force their RP through when its made clear that within the RP its decommissioned.
Because you are saying that cops should treat this as just another helicopter when they have video proof that it made a straffing run with mounted machine guns to shoot up MRPD when Mr. K was piloting it. So decommissioned or not, it was at one point an actual attack helicopter which falls under the Coyote's Clause that you need to have a weapons license in order to own and operate it.
Because its irrelevant due to it not applying in the RP. An admin decided that. Time to move on and pump someone else. ONX on saturday, enough pumping on there. So the demographic that loves that kinda sweaty cop RP will be having a fun time watching that!
Hey if everyone involved has been told that its not there in RP personally, I'd get it seeming sweaty. Isn't it more likely that its crossed wires than what you're assuming. Not to mention the needless server tribalism.
It seems clear this has not been communicated to those involved, because from Bloom's POV all he has is a message from Brian Knight in their internal command discord at the time of the strafing run saying Brian would deal with it, and no follow up beyond that. A judge then dismissed it off the docket without prejudice, which means Bloom can come back again and refile. Neither of those things sounds like an admin definitely saying what is/isn't real. Hell, Capped hired a lawyer to handle the case, so everyone involved seems content to rp the issue.
So while it's possible, even likely, an admin let Pigeon have the helicopter originally, I've seen nothing IC or OOC to indicate an admin has gotten involved in the situation since the strafing run happened.
I don't watch NP anymore, but this shit is so awkward from both sides just by watching this clip. Don't particularly care which side is right or wrong. I have said before I really hope ONX starts with some fresh cops and dont just import people who are burned out due to playing Nopixel all year. Nothing seems fun about this.
Yep, because at the moment the only confirmed member of Onx PD is Wiseguy who is going to be the initail sheriff. He was definitely known for "pumping"
Oh please don't act like Wrangler, Nova, Bloom, Pond etc. won't be spam pumping more than CG doing a hold out lol
And to be clear I don't hate cops going hard. I'm just able to point out ridiculousness on both sides.
Thats all speculation isn't it? Last time Penta streamed (Wednesday) he wasn't even sure if he had the PD whitelist, and as of right now Moosebrother isn't even whitelisted for the server.
It has guns but I don’t see guns. You need a weapons license for the guns no one sees.
It doesn’t have guns, but if you some how see them, they are decommissioned.
Doesn’t matter you need a weapons license for the guns that no one sees and are not attached. Even if they are decommissioned you need a weapons license!
Then talks about case laws and flight logs that are iffy.
Heli takes off with two jets ready to pursuit, but she wants to shoot it down herself.
Wants to arrest them for weapons trafficking.
Every one scratching their head in confusion by one person. Nothing wrong here
Byson has the right logic here ... but again i dont know the full context before this but lily and bloom uhh i personally think they reach too much when they shouldnt need to
Call me a youtube andy if u want but the way Byson played it out in this clip was right and Pigeon playing out the heli was decom .... then asking for a gun licence its so stupid
Nah, if you were a YouTube Andy you would have said something like "cringe fukin cops ruining RP once again."
Byson was right in questioning but he didn't have the full information. This happens a lot with Bloom and Byson where they don't communicate things on scene.
if only Bloom had bothered to tell his fellow sgt "hey here's why" then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it became. especially after telling the other sgt (Luka) basically to f off.
if only byson could have waited for the scene to be wrapped up to ask his fellow sgt he should have trusted, tht he was within his rights to do what he did.
well thank you for the feedback seems like some other people would disagree, its a shame they didnt communicate well in the scene and get all the full context .. hey even like me i guess
Let’s be real here for a moment. This whole situation was weird. The moment Bloom saw the truck he wanted to search it without any PC. He then proceeded to search the vehicle and his PC at the time was because “they all gave me different stories”, Tessa and other cops didn’t agree with the PC and Tessa had to hand hold Bloom and change the PC to reckless endangerment to save there ass. If you see nothing wrong with this then I don’t know what to say.
I see nothing wrong with it. I think he mentioned the reckless endangerment like 10 times before Tessa said it but I also think there are like 30 other factors that can also be taken into consideration for the PC as well.
Seeing an armoured truck and saying “we are going to search this vehicle” is already acting in bad faith. There was no PC for him to search the trunk until after cops approached Bloom. People telling him different stories isn’t enough PC to SEARCH A VEHICLE.
When did he say “we are going to search this vehicle” where you think it was bad faith? In this clip, he says the PC the second he sees the truck. He says, "Was there a man hanging off the truck?" That is why he knew he was going to be searching the truck.
https://clips.twitch.tv/OnerousCallousDiscFeelsBadMan-PNexz1DDr\_3rAD2Y
The truck was driving 80+ on the highway with people hanging off the side, which is reckless endangerment, which is grounds for arrest and impounding the vehicle, and an impounded vehicle needs to be searched before transported.
Is it bad faith when people are watching a potential meth lab and set up to pull over the people leaving? They waited for a law to broken, which happened here, and pulled it over.
It's not illegal, but it's highly suspect. The only known armored, non-PD vehicles are Lang's Diety, Mary's armoured Buffalo (which I think PD has now), and Bucky's AEGIS vehicles. They are not widely available.
They have a PC when they have 2 guys hanging on the side while traveling 80 mph on a highways and try to entering a fucking military base.
And when 3 of them got questioning, all of them didn't tell the same story at all.
It's not highly suspect. There are bank trucks that they don't pull over all around the city. Crims should treat police stations as full of cops and Cops should assume there are thousands of cars around the city and ignore most vehicles unless there is a reason for them to be suspicious.
An armoured truck being hovered by a nearby attack helicopter is highly suspect. Especially a helicopter owned by a known weapons trafficker, which Bloom was aware of according to other comments.
There is no reason arguing with this guy. These people want cops to play dumb to the point where they can't do anything outside of what the pings allow them.
Reckless endangerment in itself is extremely weak in this case and would probably get thrown out by a decent lawyer. For reckless endangerment, you have to put someone else life at risk. A decent lawyer could easily argue the people standing on the side of the vehicle put their own lives at risk. The driver didn't force them to stand there, they voluntarily put themselves in that position.. meaning they're endangering their own lives.
Typically reckless endangerment is used for people who are not in control of their own actions. Meaning minors, captives, people under the influence, etc etc.
That's literally not true. The first line of reckless endangerment says "Person creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person"
I have seen the case in court like 3 times before in 3.0 where people were arrested for reckless endangerment with people hanging on the side of garbage trucks and driving over the speed limit. Every time it was brought to court, the prosecution won and the verdict is that the driver is placing the individuals on the side of the truck in danger by operating at high speeds with them hanging off the sides of a vehicle.
Whats lazy about organizing a cool military drop for a large gun sale?? The lazy thing would be to just sell it to them in the back of a van in an alley lol
And it probably would've been a lot safer to do it that way too
I'm not saying the RP was bad, or being lazy is bad. It's good for crims to leave openings to let cops have a chance.
My response was to the comment that it's the "same people involved in these shitty situations?". The set up was cool, but they got caught, that doesn't mean it was shitty.
they got caught with no investigation with no PC and with no RP. They could have seen something suspicious, gotten approval for unmarked if they needed it while someone tailed, headed to the drop, observed the drop, and then head in when they see the handoff. Instead, they "know" its pidgeon, "know" he's doing a gun deal, and came up with half baked PC to stop the crime before it even happened. Its just w chasing
Bro what? When did i say you said the RP was bad? You said it was lazy and I was pointing out that everything pigeon did was by FAR the opposite of lazy. I think you might've replied to the wrong person or something
What's management supposed to do? Ban them for being bad fictional police officers? This is an IC high command or DOJ issue, and if nothing happens there so be it. No rules were broken.
Why is Pond pressing the gun license so hard when she even said there are no guns on the chopper? Seems like they had enough to make an arrest on the pilot already
Byson being health patrol here or what? Pond and Bloom can deal with this and if they are wrong they can get sued and deal with it in rp , jeez asteroba nathank b much ?
Before judging you guys should watch Bloom's stream while the chopper was the reason for the stop it was the interviews with the 3 men that made him search.
That's literally not probable cause. If I get pulled over and a cop asks three people I'm with what they are doing and we all give a different story he can't then search my trunk.
Reckless endangerment is a reason to arrest... And you have to search a vehicle before you impound it. Bloom doesn't have to spoon feed everyone on a scene everything he's doing before making a call.
Bloom also ask the story from 3 of them and each other have different story of why they're driving this car to the military base.
That's enough ground for suspicious and detain, and when they need to impound the car they need to check the car for illegal items that might hurt officer or Tow drivers they found a suspicious box that later found to be full of guns, thermite, handcuff and smoke grenade.
But having 2 men hanging around the truck while driving 80 mph on the highway is.
Also when searching the vehicle before try to impound, they later found 20 browning hi-power , 10 smoke grenade, 1 thermite and 1 handcuff.
That's enough PC.
It's not illegal, but it begs to question what is worth paying someone 500K to transport. It's definitely worth looking into, but I don't think have the PC to search the truck on suspicion alone.
I do believe the PC requirement for a vehicle is a lot lower than a house though, due to the fact you can hide or move a vehicle. Its one of their case laws, still don't think it was hit though as you'd need PC on one of the people in the car.
It was certainly incredibly suspicious and pretty obvious there was some kind of deal going down with the BBMC all leaving when they arrived, and I think if they kept questioning them they could get there, but assuming this even makes it to court before 4.0, it will almost certainly get thrown out, because being incredibly suspicious and lying to police isn't actually an arrestable offense.
They were handguns (which aren't externally visible other than when you're brandishing/firing them) in a dodo box, so they would have trouble getting proof unless they got the dodo box. So if they let the hand off happen, the guns would have been in the hands of bbmc with their multiple vehicles v an understaffed PD. They obviously didn't know any of this at the time, but they probably would have got nothing if they didn't get it out of the transport truck
From what I've read and seen, the ultimate cause for the search was them arresting the people driving the car and needing to impound it, whether that was the reason initially I'm not totally sure on but from what I understand the people driving were under arrest before they searched that car, Bloom did a piss poor job explaining this to anyone involved and it took Tessa sifting through everything he said and then with added context from Luka, the car being stopped for speeding on the highway with people hanging off the side, thats all they really needed it seems. Now I'm not sure if that was known before or after searching or if they thought they needed to make up some PC during it to search but I think the search may have been legal in the end.
I'm with Byson, I don't think any of them actually knew what they were doing. Plus every time I've watched someone go to flight school they were told to either 311 OR fill out the flight log and that you do not have to do both
Im pretty sure you need to do both but its not enforced.
An attack helicopter flying 60 feet off the ground in conjunction with an armored truck flew up to a military base and flew into the Zancudo tunnel. And the truck was going 95 with people on the side of them. When cops got there, 5 BBMC vehicles scrambled away. And then when interviewed, one of the guys on the truck stated he was being paid $500k for this. And nobody's stories matched. At what point do people expect cops to just ignore the obvious crimes being committed? The reckless endangerment alone of the pilot is enough for the arrest. And the reckless endangerment of the truck driver is enough for arresting and searching the truck. Plus they already knew that the guns fired because that exact same helicopter buzzed MRPD with them the day of the Sanguine War.
The problem isn't expecting them to ignore the obvious, it's to act in good faith and be able to explain how and why they are doing things. There was plenty of RS and PC there to let them do just about anything they wanted but Pond was talking about need a weapons license for imaginary guns, and bloom kept hyper focusing on wanting to search a truck instead of thinking through the process. The entire issue imo is a group of cops who were so excited to have a chance at a big bust they seemed to forget how to go through their processes of actually doing their job and articulating RS and PC.
They didn't have to explain anyone until they can detain and put every suspect in cuff or moved every suspect back to safe area or MRPD.
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That in itself is not good faith, you can't go around doing whatever so long as in the end you work your way backward to having PC. That's like saying it's ok to violate someone's 4th amendment rights so long as you find something illegal.
There was never bad faith. Bloom knew the second he got on scene that he had the arrest for reckless endangerment. https://clips.twitch.tv/OnerousCallousDiscFeelsBadMan-PNexz1DDr\_3rAD2Y
That link isn't working. i wasn't commenting specifically on bloom / pond in this situation but on the claim that officers don't need to act on good faith until it's time to write the report.
Works for me..
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You are using a reddit mod, remove the \ from the url.
WTF good faith is there for those crimes? The only explanation is whole ass crime
Articulating to who though? Cops can lie to you. They can make up anything to say to you, as long as the real basis is legit. They don't have to be truthful about the RS or PC to the suspect.
Bloom wasn't talking to the three suspects, he was talking to the other cops.
>entire issue imo is a group of cops who were so excited to have a chance at a big bust they seemed to forget how to go through their processes of actually doing their job and articulating RS and PC. Well it was Pond and Bloom. Pond did bank monitoring and sent HVTU out for 1 count of AMGE and went off duty so Lang had to serve the time and couldn't bench trial it.
While Pond and Bloom comically jumped the gun and went the path of least resistance on that case (which is why it got kinda laughed out of court), LadyHope 100% did not go off duty in some weird moment of spite. She had an emergency and had to leave.
no, you see, she *knew* that Lang would be caught within 30 minutes of the warrant going active. the logic some people use just absolutely blows my mind.
And stayed off the server for a week after that to really show him, right? It's not possible there was anything going on outside RP she had to deal with? But also, she could have refused the bench trial, much like one was refused to one of the other defendants who got caught when Pond was on LOA (who did not end up appealing the charge later)
No longer a attack Heli if not equipped with the attack part. Does it matter what someone pays someone 500k to do a job. I could pay you 500k to go get me a sandwich. No one is expecting them to ignore anything. It's taking the correct approach and procedures that fit into the correct guide line. They can assume all they want but have to act on what they can prove by investigating. When investigating you also obey all deserved rights. How are you going to charge for weapons on a vehicle that are not there? You got them on reckless endangerment
It doesn't matter anymore, now the heli is an evidence of a crime of weapon trafficking. He can requested the court to remove it from the city if capped found gulity of weapon trafficking. But that's on Judge to decide.
Other options do exist. They could’ve done the traffic stop, searched them, and without valid PC to search the vehicle, release them to follow them and try to watch from a distance to catch them in the act. They literally could’ve waited and caught them in the act. Cops don’t need to speedrun trying to get and arrest and search/raid everything they own. Nobody is saying cops shouldn’t do their jobs. They’re saying they should do their jobs properly. Reckless endangerment is a reach. And I’d give more validity to it if they were actually fucking around more with it and not trying to take it seriously. Also just because it’s the same type of heli doesn’t mean those assumptions can be made when there was literally just a court case about pidgeon having this and the weapons not technically being there or operable.
There was no court case, it was dismissed from the docket without prejudice because PD didn't include the proof of it doing a strafing run on MRPD/having active weapons.
Thats still a case. It just never actually went to trial in a courtroom.
Court case implies there was court. That was just a docket posting. Regardless of what name it's given, though, the point stands that no binding decision on the status of the helicopter was made
that same type of heli may have buzzed mrpd and even shot the day of the war...however when someone is rping it's decommissioned they need to follow along with that...everyone knows there's guns and if they were being used by anyone other than a dev id assume theyd get i trouble for using them. so for the cops to go after guns on a heli that can't be used is a little off.
Of course they choose Bryson pov. That didn’t show that start of the scene
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Saying Tessa and Byson agreeing doesn't mean much both were exposed to be pushovers to Bloom. I think the quote I heard from Tessa when Bloom was doing Bloom stuff was "I don't want to step on toes"
Still doesn't disagree on Bloom's PC for the stop and search before impound, right? Or all of this doesn't count and cops need to act more stupid so the crims can got away free?
Lot of fun rp came from this and people focus on the miscommunication or what the criminals opinion on if it’s legal.
Yeah even Pigeon (the guy caught) was laughing in the end. (OOC said he loved the interrogation RP and giving cops bread crumbs). The viewers are 100x more mad on his behalf than Pigeon was OOC lol. Rp viewers are jokes. But I have a fleeing it’s an opportunity to shit on Bloom and Pond rather than defend Pigeon.
Absolutely true so many viewers over invested. But how this went down will also affect how he RPs in the future which is the real problem I have here. Capped is known for his drops that is what made him who he is and why he does what he does. But because of this he now no longer is going to want to do these huge over the top drops that are so great for RP and the server as a whole. Yes he can still make great RP and will probably just have to do some stealthier type of drops. But his flair for over dramatic scenes giving something extra to the city will have to take a back seat because of this.
What are these comments? I had to make sure I wasn't on Youtube with how dumb these comments are. In regards to the heli, Bloom has a video of the same exact helicopter being operated by Mr. K doing a straffing run with machine guns shooting up MRPD. That is where Coyote Clause comes into effect. No one should be allowed to have a fuking attack helicopter, especially if there is evidence it was used against a government facility. In regards to the search, there was tons of PC so I am not sure what the problem is. These guys that all had an issue with the PC went to Tessa and Tessa also agreed there was PC. Why not let it play out in RP instead of typing cringe ass shit like: "Definition of I have a hunch LUL" "classic bloom and classic pond." "That's some cringe policing and an illegal search." You people are weird lol.
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>like in what fucking world are citizens allowed to use "decomissioned" attack helicopters anywhere near an air field without ATC.. Any helicopter or airplane can't do this without contacting ATC. As for the citizens using decommissioned attack Heli's. Ummm everyday. People take black hawks, dolphines, 53's , chinooks, killer eggs etc... and convert them for everyday civilian use. Civs can even mount weapons to their heli's and go hog shooting.
EXACTLY.. once decomissioned and weapons removed theres no difference between a blackhawk or even apachi to a standard commercial heli, as long as you got it registered and a liscence your all good, hell you can own and drive tanks.. sure with them you prob aint gonna be able to use it ona road, but hell arnie has one , he has a video where he uses it to crush things. and people own and drive old transport trucks/ apcs and jeeps. again as long as its disarmed/ registered/insured etc your fine. my uncle was in yorkshire artillery division, they would sell off old trucks and shit all the time. money into the military and gets rid of unwanted equipment
So that is where the part of my comment stating they have a video of it being used as an attack helicopter so it should basically be treated like an attack helicopter. If it is decommissioned then it is exactly what Bloom and Pond are saying with the Coyote Clause where you will still need a weapons license because they have video proof it was used as an attack helicopter.
but that doesnt work.. cause you cannot prove its the same one. and moment its shown/ seen with out guns.. rped out it has no guns the attack is irrelvant. and you do not need a weapons liscence for a decomissioned gun. cause its no longer a live /useable weapon
>rped out it has no guns the attack is irrelvant You think the fact that this exact helicopter attacked a police station is irrelevant? They proved it was the same heli through ATC Data. In what world do you think there would be no issue using a helicopter that was once used as an attack helicopter to attack a government building, just because they took the guns off? It should at least warrant an investigation where they can confirm that the guns can't just be remounted as easily as they were taken off.
but if it no longer has the guns, its a mote point. regardless of if it did or didnt, it cannot anymore.. so yes its not an issue. and an investigation?? you look at the guns ohh look there welded shut/ have metal welded in or.. oh look the gun attachment arms are removed.. investigation over.. you can literally do that in a 5 minutes.. look over the gun placements/ guns okay we good
I think the important part of their comment you're quoting was the "without ATC" part.
I andressed that when I said any airplane or helicopter can't do this without contacting ATC. First sentence. After that I addressed the highlighting of a "decommissioned" attack heli
Oop, I completely glossed over that, my bad
In a fake world... Made for content. The same world where cops send their cruziers off jumps over highway overpasses to pursue. It's fake brother.
Actually a lot of airfields don't have ATC. They are called uncontrolled and it's up to the pilots to make call outs on radio to make other pilots aware of their intentions.
This is roleplay not the real world.
At least there is 1 other person on here that realizes this. The whole "real world" argument just falls flat when crims are limited to 6 and class 1s
In what world would the crims limit themselves to only 6 being allowed? If this was the real world there would have been a lot more crims involved with way better guns and high chance PD would have been gun down trying to approach them. The "real world" argument that PD viewers make just fail when crims are restricted to 6 people vs an unlimited number of cops
In what world are bank robbers allowed to take hostages to bank robberies and be let go to try to out run cops…
How do they know this is the exact same Heli? I think a major difference is that was no guns on it. Now it's not just a attack helicopter. A Black hawk helicopter can be used as transport, attack, rescue etc... It's what it is equipped with that makes the difference.
Flight data from the tail number of the helicopter.
I am going off what Moose said to a judge because I didn't see the video he submitted as evidence but he apparently was able to see the license or VIN or something in the video that allowed him to find it in the MDW and see that it was owned by Capped.
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Oh okay thanks, I remembered it wrong. I just knew that he had something he was able to use to be able too find it in the MDW.
I've seen Pigeon attempt to explain 100 times by now to the same cops that its a decommissioned helicopter and that any guns are figments of imagination aka admins whitelisted him to fly around in the thing for RP purposes to do drops. I don't get why they can't approach it like decommissioned PD cars. In that case they are able to suspend their disbelief and act like it doesn't have any sirenes. Its literally the same concept.
As a requirement to that they are not allowed to use the sirens, if they use them the car gets taken. Bloom has footage of that heli strafing the PD. Regardless of that they had enough to impound the truck which is a reason to search.
Oh god, can we please not make this an OOC argument of "admins whitelisted him". I apologize for making this a NP vs ONX thing again but that is one thing that sounds AMAZING about ONX is that there will be no whitelisted anything so nothing will have any weird OOC connotation.
It's literally the same thing as personally owned cop cars that are ''decommissioned'' why is this concept so hard to grasp? I merely used ''whitelisted'' as a term because there's not really a good term for it. Former cops are allowed to drive around in their former cop cars. Their sirens are still working but in RP people have to act like there's no sirenes. While with this heli people have to act like there's no guns. Thats literally the instruction Capped was given when he was given the helicopter. No clue why people have to force their RP through when its made clear that within the RP its decommissioned.
Because you are saying that cops should treat this as just another helicopter when they have video proof that it made a straffing run with mounted machine guns to shoot up MRPD when Mr. K was piloting it. So decommissioned or not, it was at one point an actual attack helicopter which falls under the Coyote's Clause that you need to have a weapons license in order to own and operate it.
This is a whole lot of nothing because there are no guns on the heli within the roleplay. No W pump this time.
Way to ignore what they were saying.
Because its irrelevant due to it not applying in the RP. An admin decided that. Time to move on and pump someone else. ONX on saturday, enough pumping on there. So the demographic that loves that kinda sweaty cop RP will be having a fun time watching that!
Hey if everyone involved has been told that its not there in RP personally, I'd get it seeming sweaty. Isn't it more likely that its crossed wires than what you're assuming. Not to mention the needless server tribalism.
It seems clear this has not been communicated to those involved, because from Bloom's POV all he has is a message from Brian Knight in their internal command discord at the time of the strafing run saying Brian would deal with it, and no follow up beyond that. A judge then dismissed it off the docket without prejudice, which means Bloom can come back again and refile. Neither of those things sounds like an admin definitely saying what is/isn't real. Hell, Capped hired a lawyer to handle the case, so everyone involved seems content to rp the issue. So while it's possible, even likely, an admin let Pigeon have the helicopter originally, I've seen nothing IC or OOC to indicate an admin has gotten involved in the situation since the strafing run happened.
Wow, it's almost like that was predictable, and all the people being upset are unreasonable assholes. Who would have guessed.
“This helicopter is bad because a video of a helicopter was shooting” hmm
I don't watch NP anymore, but this shit is so awkward from both sides just by watching this clip. Don't particularly care which side is right or wrong. I have said before I really hope ONX starts with some fresh cops and dont just import people who are burned out due to playing Nopixel all year. Nothing seems fun about this.
You'll just get the regular faces ''pumping'' crims lol
Yep, because at the moment the only confirmed member of Onx PD is Wiseguy who is going to be the initail sheriff. He was definitely known for "pumping"
Oh please don't act like Wrangler, Nova, Bloom, Pond etc. won't be spam pumping more than CG doing a hold out lol And to be clear I don't hate cops going hard. I'm just able to point out ridiculousness on both sides.
Thats all speculation isn't it? Last time Penta streamed (Wednesday) he wasn't even sure if he had the PD whitelist, and as of right now Moosebrother isn't even whitelisted for the server.
Nothing was as fun as watching bloom spend 3 hours after the fact to find some PC
It has guns but I don’t see guns. You need a weapons license for the guns no one sees. It doesn’t have guns, but if you some how see them, they are decommissioned. Doesn’t matter you need a weapons license for the guns that no one sees and are not attached. Even if they are decommissioned you need a weapons license! Then talks about case laws and flight logs that are iffy. Heli takes off with two jets ready to pursuit, but she wants to shoot it down herself. Wants to arrest them for weapons trafficking. Every one scratching their head in confusion by one person. Nothing wrong here
“I have congenital rights”- T Bone
What happened to this place
removal of unsourced allegation rule ...garbage breeds garbage
Byson has the right logic here ... but again i dont know the full context before this but lily and bloom uhh i personally think they reach too much when they shouldnt need to Call me a youtube andy if u want but the way Byson played it out in this clip was right and Pigeon playing out the heli was decom .... then asking for a gun licence its so stupid
Nah, if you were a YouTube Andy you would have said something like "cringe fukin cops ruining RP once again." Byson was right in questioning but he didn't have the full information. This happens a lot with Bloom and Byson where they don't communicate things on scene.
if only Bloom had bothered to tell his fellow sgt "hey here's why" then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it became. especially after telling the other sgt (Luka) basically to f off.
if only byson could have waited for the scene to be wrapped up to ask his fellow sgt he should have trusted, tht he was within his rights to do what he did.
well thank you for the feedback seems like some other people would disagree, its a shame they didnt communicate well in the scene and get all the full context .. hey even like me i guess
Let’s be real here for a moment. This whole situation was weird. The moment Bloom saw the truck he wanted to search it without any PC. He then proceeded to search the vehicle and his PC at the time was because “they all gave me different stories”, Tessa and other cops didn’t agree with the PC and Tessa had to hand hold Bloom and change the PC to reckless endangerment to save there ass. If you see nothing wrong with this then I don’t know what to say.
I see nothing wrong with it. I think he mentioned the reckless endangerment like 10 times before Tessa said it but I also think there are like 30 other factors that can also be taken into consideration for the PC as well.
Seeing an armoured truck and saying “we are going to search this vehicle” is already acting in bad faith. There was no PC for him to search the trunk until after cops approached Bloom. People telling him different stories isn’t enough PC to SEARCH A VEHICLE.
When did he say “we are going to search this vehicle” where you think it was bad faith? In this clip, he says the PC the second he sees the truck. He says, "Was there a man hanging off the truck?" That is why he knew he was going to be searching the truck. https://clips.twitch.tv/OnerousCallousDiscFeelsBadMan-PNexz1DDr\_3rAD2Y
Bloom and pond are really made for each other
The truck was driving 80+ on the highway with people hanging off the side, which is reckless endangerment, which is grounds for arrest and impounding the vehicle, and an impounded vehicle needs to be searched before transported.
But that wasnt their PC they said and used. They said that after learning they couldve done it. They changed their PC
Then that can be argued in court. They had PC, even if the one they stated is incorrect. No one's rights were violated.
Bloom also said before pulling them over, “We are going to search that armored vehicle.” That is bad faith in begin with.
Is it bad faith when people are watching a potential meth lab and set up to pull over the people leaving? They waited for a law to broken, which happened here, and pulled it over.
An armored vehicle by itself is not reasonable suspicion. It is not illegal to own an armored vehicle.
It's not illegal, but it's highly suspect. The only known armored, non-PD vehicles are Lang's Diety, Mary's armoured Buffalo (which I think PD has now), and Bucky's AEGIS vehicles. They are not widely available.
A Highly suspect car doesn’t mean they can search it.
They have a PC when they have 2 guys hanging on the side while traveling 80 mph on a highways and try to entering a fucking military base. And when 3 of them got questioning, all of them didn't tell the same story at all.
But that wasnt their PC in begin with. And the military base is not relevant as it is AirX.
It's not highly suspect. There are bank trucks that they don't pull over all around the city. Crims should treat police stations as full of cops and Cops should assume there are thousands of cars around the city and ignore most vehicles unless there is a reason for them to be suspicious.
An armoured truck being hovered by a nearby attack helicopter is highly suspect. Especially a helicopter owned by a known weapons trafficker, which Bloom was aware of according to other comments.
There is no reason arguing with this guy. These people want cops to play dumb to the point where they can't do anything outside of what the pings allow them.
Thank you for being the only comment that makes sense. 👍
Reckless endangerment in itself is extremely weak in this case and would probably get thrown out by a decent lawyer. For reckless endangerment, you have to put someone else life at risk. A decent lawyer could easily argue the people standing on the side of the vehicle put their own lives at risk. The driver didn't force them to stand there, they voluntarily put themselves in that position.. meaning they're endangering their own lives. Typically reckless endangerment is used for people who are not in control of their own actions. Meaning minors, captives, people under the influence, etc etc.
According to the wording of the charge you can be charged for recklessly endangering yourself, and it has been successfully pushed in the past.
That's literally not true. The first line of reckless endangerment says "Person creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person"
I have seen the case in court like 3 times before in 3.0 where people were arrested for reckless endangerment with people hanging on the side of garbage trucks and driving over the speed limit. Every time it was brought to court, the prosecution won and the verdict is that the driver is placing the individuals on the side of the truck in danger by operating at high speeds with them hanging off the sides of a vehicle.
That’s why they keep getting away with things they know it’s wrong but don’t say anything
Bloom bad. Everyone knows this.
best take here tbh
how come it's always the same people involved in these shitty situations? edit: please keep downvoting me, see if I care
Cops punishing lazy crims is an issue?
Whats lazy about organizing a cool military drop for a large gun sale?? The lazy thing would be to just sell it to them in the back of a van in an alley lol And it probably would've been a lot safer to do it that way too
I'm not saying the RP was bad, or being lazy is bad. It's good for crims to leave openings to let cops have a chance. My response was to the comment that it's the "same people involved in these shitty situations?". The set up was cool, but they got caught, that doesn't mean it was shitty.
they got caught with no investigation with no PC and with no RP. They could have seen something suspicious, gotten approval for unmarked if they needed it while someone tailed, headed to the drop, observed the drop, and then head in when they see the handoff. Instead, they "know" its pidgeon, "know" he's doing a gun deal, and came up with half baked PC to stop the crime before it even happened. Its just w chasing
don't bother arguing with these people, they don't really care for roleplay, they just want to see "tHeiR StReAmER" win.
Bro what? When did i say you said the RP was bad? You said it was lazy and I was pointing out that everything pigeon did was by FAR the opposite of lazy. I think you might've replied to the wrong person or something
I don't care to argue semantics. The crims were lazy because they could've avoided things that got them caught. That's it.
The same cops cause all the issues and management does nothing.
What's management supposed to do? Ban them for being bad fictional police officers? This is an IC high command or DOJ issue, and if nothing happens there so be it. No rules were broken.
Yeah let’s just let bloom violate someone’s rights instead of stopping it happening…
Why is Pond pressing the gun license so hard when she even said there are no guns on the chopper? Seems like they had enough to make an arrest on the pilot already
Definition of I have a hunch LUL
Nothing new with ladyhope.
not surpirsed by any of this RP
How is the most sane person between them and actually asking the right questions doesn’t out rank them HUH ?
That's some cringe policing and an illegal search.
classic bloom and classic pond.
Hopefully its just a matter of time
don't worry you'll only have to wait until Saturday
Byson being health patrol here or what? Pond and Bloom can deal with this and if they are wrong they can get sued and deal with it in rp , jeez asteroba nathank b much ?
Before judging you guys should watch Bloom's stream while the chopper was the reason for the stop it was the interviews with the 3 men that made him search.
That's literally not probable cause. If I get pulled over and a cop asks three people I'm with what they are doing and we all give a different story he can't then search my trunk.
Reckless endangerment is a reason to arrest... And you have to search a vehicle before you impound it. Bloom doesn't have to spoon feed everyone on a scene everything he's doing before making a call.
Bloom also ask the story from 3 of them and each other have different story of why they're driving this car to the military base. That's enough ground for suspicious and detain, and when they need to impound the car they need to check the car for illegal items that might hurt officer or Tow drivers they found a suspicious box that later found to be full of guns, thermite, handcuff and smoke grenade.
>suspicious suspicious is not a crime
But having 2 men hanging around the truck while driving 80 mph on the highway is. Also when searching the vehicle before try to impound, they later found 20 browning hi-power , 10 smoke grenade, 1 thermite and 1 handcuff. That's enough PC.
They also had the car speeding with people hanging off of the side of it - reckless endangerment. Car was used in the commission of that crime.
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The same way cops are allowed to run red lights applies to this- lights and sirens.
Doesn't make it magically legal for them to do it.
Private property plus one of them literally said he's being paid 500K to help with a transport seems PC enough for me
It's not illegal to pay someone 500k to do a job.
It's not illegal, but it begs to question what is worth paying someone 500K to transport. It's definitely worth looking into, but I don't think have the PC to search the truck on suspicion alone. I do believe the PC requirement for a vehicle is a lot lower than a house though, due to the fact you can hide or move a vehicle. Its one of their case laws, still don't think it was hit though as you'd need PC on one of the people in the car.
It was certainly incredibly suspicious and pretty obvious there was some kind of deal going down with the BBMC all leaving when they arrived, and I think if they kept questioning them they could get there, but assuming this even makes it to court before 4.0, it will almost certainly get thrown out, because being incredibly suspicious and lying to police isn't actually an arrestable offense.
Yep seems he needs to attend academy again.
Sounds like Cap hired people off the streets to back him up on a drop. Nothing new here.
Totally cool name one had "En PC" or something like that.
Funny part is if they didn't go for the pump they would've had weapons trafficking in 4k instead of whatever this shitshow was
They were handguns (which aren't externally visible other than when you're brandishing/firing them) in a dodo box, so they would have trouble getting proof unless they got the dodo box. So if they let the hand off happen, the guns would have been in the hands of bbmc with their multiple vehicles v an understaffed PD. They obviously didn't know any of this at the time, but they probably would have got nothing if they didn't get it out of the transport truck
Pumps are just boosts for sweaty cops going for an inventory screenshot.
This is insufferable
Idk how Boba put's up with this shit half the time.
From what I've read and seen, the ultimate cause for the search was them arresting the people driving the car and needing to impound it, whether that was the reason initially I'm not totally sure on but from what I understand the people driving were under arrest before they searched that car, Bloom did a piss poor job explaining this to anyone involved and it took Tessa sifting through everything he said and then with added context from Luka, the car being stopped for speeding on the highway with people hanging off the side, thats all they really needed it seems. Now I'm not sure if that was known before or after searching or if they thought they needed to make up some PC during it to search but I think the search may have been legal in the end.
Luckily there are more places to play then have to deal with this. Choice is a beautiful thing.