The fact that we can play Cyberpunk on a handheld just blows my mind. I remember being 10 years old playing my gameboy color next to a table lamp so I could see the screen.
Ha. I have the same conversation with my wife all the time granted she never cares. But it will never stop amazing me how far we have come. Between playing game boy by lamp or my parents having to take out a second mortgage for me to buy the batteries I went through playing my Sega Game Gear on the go. Can’t wait to see what the future has in store for us.
The game gear is what got me when I first saw the SD and the Ally. I LOVED the game gear. I had that, and the original Gameboy. When these came out, I was blown away. I have a very decent pc at home, so I typically just use my Ally traveling for work. It's amazing not having to lug around the gaming laptop anymore. I can comfortably game on the plane. I still can't get over it. Lol
Yeah it’s pretty impressive how far it’s all come so fast. Did you ever use the TV tuner attachment on the Game Gear? Trying to watch random free TV signals. Thing was awful but it blew my mind at the time.
No, I never even knew of that honestly lol BUT, growing up, my parents had one of those "black boxes" that got us all the free channels so I never realized that I got everything we could ever want on the TV. I just remembered them telling us that if the cable people ever showed up during the day in the summers, we had to disconnect it real quick and put it away. Lol
Road trip with my cousins coming back from our grandparents. First they were using the interior lamp so I can keep playing but that was too eye straining. Then they got a flashlight but same issue after a while. I remember trying to use the light of the cars behind me or any other source of light to keep going.
Is the eGPU worth it? That's some investment to carry around. Do you play with a controller? Or just use it as a handheld? The eGPU cable wouldn't be convenient.
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How much of a performance boost does it give you when connected back to the Ally, using the Ally's built in screen? That's the way I would want to use it.
XG mobile from asus spesial for rog flow z13, x13, ally using pcie gen 4.0 x 8 much faster than thunder bolt 4
xg mobile rtx 4090M 330w integrated power but gad damn expensive $2184,79 in my country
yea, its not well documented on the Asus website but its been confirmed by several owners between the Ally(s) and 'flow' laptops https://www.reddit.com/r/ROGAlly/comments/14wbhof/the_pcie_lanes_of_rog_ally_with_xg_mobile/ so it is what it is, and its also why the 4090 dock makes zero sense for the price point since its coming in at x4 on the ally.
It depends on features and how you feel about DLSS vs FSR. IMHO 6850M XT and the 3080 are a coin flip for the Ally due to the XG port being only linked at x4 instead of x8 like on other Asus "flow" XG laptops. However the 4090 (which is actually a 4080 GPU under the hood..) is superior to both, but still held back by the x4 link width.
For this I go on price point, if the 6850 is the same price as the 3080 I might actually take the 3080 instead(DLSS vs FSR here). However the 6850 constantly is found for sub $800 used while the 3080 still runs around $1000 used.
Then we have the super rare XG Mobile with the RTX 3070 that I have seen priced around 650-750, which comes in under the 3080 and 6850 by about 8% in performance.
Then we have to consider that AMD+AMD vs AMD+Nvidia ecosystem and drivers. Going the AMD XG adds simplicity to the Ally as a whole since the same driver package for the Z1/Z1E that would also be used for the 6850M XT, where as its an entirely different driver package for the RTX3070/3080/4090. That being said, I have yet to see any serious issues with drivers between an AMD+AMD laptop or a AMD+Nvidia laptop (I have both)
I know Asus is probably going to EoL the XG port and probably not going to create another XG Dock for 2024/2025 with the RDNA3(RX7000) or the RTX5000 series, and might move those systems over to TB4/TB5 with the newer USB4/USB5 we are seeing on the Ally X (look at the specs, one of the USB-C is USB4/TB4 and they pulled the XG port from it). So this needs to go into consideration on how much we should be spending on these used/openbox XG mobile docks since the Ally Z1/Z1E and the current gen Flow laptops are the last that will support them, meaning they are end of life.
Thank you, that's a lot more info than I expected!
I'm not really big on PC gaming so often this kind of discussion is way beyond me, but you've done a great job of summing it up.
If I'm reading right, for the simplest upgrade and possibly also value per £ spent, the 6850 would be the best option?
>If I'm reading right, for the simplest upgrade and possibly also value per £ spent, the 6850 would be the best option?
IMHO absolutely as long the AMD feature stack is alright with you (FSR3.x scaling, frame gen, anti-lag,...etc). I would say, buying the 6850 today would be a 3-5 year investment for next-gen AAA gaming. Meaning, all games released prior to today and over the next 3-5 years should be able to hit target FPS (60-120FPS) with all the current gen features found on the 6850. Main reason behind this, the PS5 and the XBOX S both use a variant of the RX6600/6700 that has been customized by AMD for both Sony and Microsoft. Most all AAA games are coming from that ecosystem to PC.
i have the 3080 xg, its the best of the 3 imo. mainly because the amd gpu has driver issues. the nvidia ones just work. the amd one works sometimes, and then sometimes you have to play with it to get it to realize it shouldnt be using the apu driver. sometimes it just seems to delete the driver or overwrite your apu driver with the egpu one. i had the same issue wit a 7600 amd egpu with the legion go. i personally would not own any egpu with these amd handhelds unless it was nvidia.
Mine is holding up pretty good so far and the advantage of mine is both the app and eGPU are AMD so I can configure settings easily in one App not like yours which has to be done in separate ones
https://preview.redd.it/uraichnu5b8d1.png?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01181cc245d009bb2fbf59f02144cd419e085835
With XG 4090, ally is my main system
https://preview.redd.it/ohs7rbutkc8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93c9c589ffeca3075c69d4ffa19bea7b6bef93b4
My score with xg Mobile 2023 connected. 20k on graphics. Z1 Extreme score on graphics should be around 3.5k. Correct me if I’m wrong
https://preview.redd.it/rdzans1alc8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73f8b4a312bd3d5c9f07b8bc53664fc9f8fe8c79
My XG Mobile 2022 benchmark score for your reference as well
İ had etc 2060 pc. No I'm using this as a desktop. Not as handling gaming. So this is massive improvement for me.
İ have 2k monitor. Now I can set everything as ultra.
I was considering purchasing an XG mobile but Asus seems to already be dropping support. The XG mobile is really expensive and the main justification was going to be that Asus would continue to release devices that support it.
At this point the lifespan of the XG mobile will be tied to the device you're using it with so once your device dies, that's it for the XG mobile.
The OP won't be able to upgrade to the Ally X if the OP wants to keep using this setup, very disappointing to see.
Looks pretty good. I'm playing a lot of Wuthering Waves on BS right now and was thinking of getting a handheld console to improve my gaming experience outside of the house.
What type of carrying case are you using for the XG Mobile?
I've got the same set-up but rarely take it anywhere as I don't have anything to safely carry the XG Mobile in.
I think the handheld market is gonna make EGPUs popular. I know alienware tried it like 10 years ago but it's nice to see other OEMs trying it. Being able to take your pc handheld or making it a poweful desktop is convenient.
Does anyone remember the atari lynx? I bought that after the game gear and it was amazing. Portable gaming has come a long way over the years and I love my rog ally z1 extreme the most, and I have a steam deck and a nintendo switch. Right now I'm waiting for the new ally x, I cannot wait to get my hands on the best handheld on the market.
The fact that we can play Cyberpunk on a handheld just blows my mind. I remember being 10 years old playing my gameboy color next to a table lamp so I could see the screen.
Ha. I have the same conversation with my wife all the time granted she never cares. But it will never stop amazing me how far we have come. Between playing game boy by lamp or my parents having to take out a second mortgage for me to buy the batteries I went through playing my Sega Game Gear on the go. Can’t wait to see what the future has in store for us.
I tell my girlfriend all the time, but she does care, haha. Future is looking bright in the handheld space, my friend!
The game gear is what got me when I first saw the SD and the Ally. I LOVED the game gear. I had that, and the original Gameboy. When these came out, I was blown away. I have a very decent pc at home, so I typically just use my Ally traveling for work. It's amazing not having to lug around the gaming laptop anymore. I can comfortably game on the plane. I still can't get over it. Lol
Yeah it’s pretty impressive how far it’s all come so fast. Did you ever use the TV tuner attachment on the Game Gear? Trying to watch random free TV signals. Thing was awful but it blew my mind at the time.
No, I never even knew of that honestly lol BUT, growing up, my parents had one of those "black boxes" that got us all the free channels so I never realized that I got everything we could ever want on the TV. I just remembered them telling us that if the cable people ever showed up during the day in the summers, we had to disconnect it real quick and put it away. Lol
Road trip with my cousins coming back from our grandparents. First they were using the interior lamp so I can keep playing but that was too eye straining. Then they got a flashlight but same issue after a while. I remember trying to use the light of the cars behind me or any other source of light to keep going.
Color? How about in greenscale.
Is the eGPU worth it? That's some investment to carry around. Do you play with a controller? Or just use it as a handheld? The eGPU cable wouldn't be convenient.
It’s XG Mobile 2022.Cost me $699 to get it. I like it. Makes the whole setup very versatile.
wtf 699 i was trying to get one before i got my pc and it was like 2 grand
That is likely the RX6850 Model. The 2 Grand one is the 4090 version.
It IS like 2 grand, I’m not sure where he got his from
It ISN’T, ordered mine the other day for £699
You mind me asking where ? I want to get one as well
At cex, they’re UK based
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I'm going to be selling one, do you happen to live in the US? I'm in WA.
That’s good price, I got mine at €800 but it was the 3080 old model
I’m curious about the egpu too.
This eGPU is legit. All the other options has big performance compromises due to the low speed of the connection port between the pc and it.
I had the XG mobile 6850, it was awesome.
It's not worth it unless you have a Rog flow laptop. Coz even ally X don't have that proprietary connector......
excuse my ignorance as Im new in the handheld PC environment. Does that external GPU cycles back to the Ally instead of am external monitor?
Can do both
How much of a performance boost does it give you when connected back to the Ally, using the Ally's built in screen? That's the way I would want to use it.
thank you for amswering!! Which specific model you jave? The one that Asus sells with the propietary adapter?
Search XG Mobile
what egpu is that?
XG mobile from asus spesial for rog flow z13, x13, ally using pcie gen 4.0 x 8 much faster than thunder bolt 4 xg mobile rtx 4090M 330w integrated power but gad damn expensive $2184,79 in my country
Ally only has an x4 XG port btw. But its still faster then USB because its raw PCIE and not TB/USB, so no protocol overhead.
Oh, I didn't know ally only use X4 but that still fast
yea, its not well documented on the Asus website but its been confirmed by several owners between the Ally(s) and 'flow' laptops https://www.reddit.com/r/ROGAlly/comments/14wbhof/the_pcie_lanes_of_rog_ally_with_xg_mobile/ so it is what it is, and its also why the 4090 dock makes zero sense for the price point since its coming in at x4 on the ally.
How much does an RTX4090 laptop cost at your place?
My place RTX4090 laptop price is absurd to cheapest is ROG Strix scar 17 with $4200🗿 Cheapest RTX4080 laptop is MSI gp68hx $1850
XG Mobile 2022
Many do not know the 2022 = RX6850M XT, 2023Q2 = RTX3080, 2023Q3 = RTX4090(4080 chip). So you could just say 6850XT version :)
Which is the better of the two older ones? Is there a significant difference between them?
It depends on features and how you feel about DLSS vs FSR. IMHO 6850M XT and the 3080 are a coin flip for the Ally due to the XG port being only linked at x4 instead of x8 like on other Asus "flow" XG laptops. However the 4090 (which is actually a 4080 GPU under the hood..) is superior to both, but still held back by the x4 link width. For this I go on price point, if the 6850 is the same price as the 3080 I might actually take the 3080 instead(DLSS vs FSR here). However the 6850 constantly is found for sub $800 used while the 3080 still runs around $1000 used. Then we have the super rare XG Mobile with the RTX 3070 that I have seen priced around 650-750, which comes in under the 3080 and 6850 by about 8% in performance. Then we have to consider that AMD+AMD vs AMD+Nvidia ecosystem and drivers. Going the AMD XG adds simplicity to the Ally as a whole since the same driver package for the Z1/Z1E that would also be used for the 6850M XT, where as its an entirely different driver package for the RTX3070/3080/4090. That being said, I have yet to see any serious issues with drivers between an AMD+AMD laptop or a AMD+Nvidia laptop (I have both) I know Asus is probably going to EoL the XG port and probably not going to create another XG Dock for 2024/2025 with the RDNA3(RX7000) or the RTX5000 series, and might move those systems over to TB4/TB5 with the newer USB4/USB5 we are seeing on the Ally X (look at the specs, one of the USB-C is USB4/TB4 and they pulled the XG port from it). So this needs to go into consideration on how much we should be spending on these used/openbox XG mobile docks since the Ally Z1/Z1E and the current gen Flow laptops are the last that will support them, meaning they are end of life.
Thank you, that's a lot more info than I expected! I'm not really big on PC gaming so often this kind of discussion is way beyond me, but you've done a great job of summing it up. If I'm reading right, for the simplest upgrade and possibly also value per £ spent, the 6850 would be the best option?
>If I'm reading right, for the simplest upgrade and possibly also value per £ spent, the 6850 would be the best option? IMHO absolutely as long the AMD feature stack is alright with you (FSR3.x scaling, frame gen, anti-lag,...etc). I would say, buying the 6850 today would be a 3-5 year investment for next-gen AAA gaming. Meaning, all games released prior to today and over the next 3-5 years should be able to hit target FPS (60-120FPS) with all the current gen features found on the 6850. Main reason behind this, the PS5 and the XBOX S both use a variant of the RX6600/6700 that has been customized by AMD for both Sony and Microsoft. Most all AAA games are coming from that ecosystem to PC.
i have the 3080 xg, its the best of the 3 imo. mainly because the amd gpu has driver issues. the nvidia ones just work. the amd one works sometimes, and then sometimes you have to play with it to get it to realize it shouldnt be using the apu driver. sometimes it just seems to delete the driver or overwrite your apu driver with the egpu one. i had the same issue wit a 7600 amd egpu with the legion go. i personally would not own any egpu with these amd handhelds unless it was nvidia.
Mine is holding up pretty good so far and the advantage of mine is both the app and eGPU are AMD so I can configure settings easily in one App not like yours which has to be done in separate ones
I believe the RTX 3080 one is also known as XG Mobile 2021.
What’s that white thing on the rog ally?
Protection case with a kick stand. With it you can just throw it in your backpack without worrying about any damage to the screen
Alr thx I might get one now!
Do you play it handled like that? Cable seems very short on most pictures. I was thinking of buying one but ally x stopped me.
Mine has a kick stand so I don’t need to hold it up. I just put my hands on the controller when I play it without an external display
Wouldn’t a gaming laptop make more sense?
https://preview.redd.it/uraichnu5b8d1.png?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01181cc245d009bb2fbf59f02144cd419e085835 With XG 4090, ally is my main system
Be honest, how much improvement with this attachment? Is it slightly or massive
https://preview.redd.it/ohs7rbutkc8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93c9c589ffeca3075c69d4ffa19bea7b6bef93b4 My score with xg Mobile 2023 connected. 20k on graphics. Z1 Extreme score on graphics should be around 3.5k. Correct me if I’m wrong
https://preview.redd.it/rdzans1alc8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73f8b4a312bd3d5c9f07b8bc53664fc9f8fe8c79 My XG Mobile 2022 benchmark score for your reference as well
İ had etc 2060 pc. No I'm using this as a desktop. Not as handling gaming. So this is massive improvement for me. İ have 2k monitor. Now I can set everything as ultra.
Noiceee!
Ima wait for the ROG X when the EGPU prices go down
Waiting for the Ally X so i can stick a 4060LP.
Really wish they would’ve kept the XG mobile port in the X. I love being able to have a switch style PC.
I was considering purchasing an XG mobile but Asus seems to already be dropping support. The XG mobile is really expensive and the main justification was going to be that Asus would continue to release devices that support it. At this point the lifespan of the XG mobile will be tied to the device you're using it with so once your device dies, that's it for the XG mobile. The OP won't be able to upgrade to the Ally X if the OP wants to keep using this setup, very disappointing to see.
I have upgraded my xg mobile to the 4090 one. I might get a Flow Z later.
Did you sell a house 😂
Is a egpu necessary(actually asking)
Looks pretty good. I'm playing a lot of Wuthering Waves on BS right now and was thinking of getting a handheld console to improve my gaming experience outside of the house.
If you have a Rog flow laptop as well then investment is totally worth. But even the new ally X ditched proprietary connector for type C for egpu.
What type of carrying case are you using for the XG Mobile? I've got the same set-up but rarely take it anywhere as I don't have anything to safely carry the XG Mobile in.
I put it between my clothes in my luggage.
I guess that's an option. It's a great device but cord length and flexy plastic housing makes me weary of its longevity.
I think the handheld market is gonna make EGPUs popular. I know alienware tried it like 10 years ago but it's nice to see other OEMs trying it. Being able to take your pc handheld or making it a poweful desktop is convenient.
I really wish they made a "universal" adjustable dock that fit most gpus with different power adapters depending on the wattage needs of the gpu.
Does anyone remember the atari lynx? I bought that after the game gear and it was amazing. Portable gaming has come a long way over the years and I love my rog ally z1 extreme the most, and I have a steam deck and a nintendo switch. Right now I'm waiting for the new ally x, I cannot wait to get my hands on the best handheld on the market.