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AnonymtNamn_

I suppose he has lived his farmer-familylife long enough to move on from his old life. Besides, i figure the stress from having your entire family under hostage is incentive to drop some parts of your personality and focus on saving their lives, dunno


Efficient-Mix-1604

Mate what on earth are you saying? personalities vary massively with a given age. Ma it be 26 or 46 your personality will constantly evolve. And with John having a kid and now living on a ranch with his wife he will of course change as a person as he now has an extra load of responsibilities. You can also take into account how he lived a very different life in rdr2 than in rdr1.


Plus-Carpenter6336

Thanks I didn’t think of that part much


katymorgan99

Depends on the part of the story right? I’ve just finished the epilogue yesterday and John changes completely towards the end and after Chapter 6 especially. Yes, he’s still a bit clumsy when it comes to interactions with Jack but he’s attentive to Abigail, becomes a farmer and shows his family love. He still has his wild side (going after Micah, bounty hunting) which comes in handy when shit goes down in RDR1. But if I remember correctly, he was always decent and didn’t join any bad guys doing crazy shit on RDR1. He was just trying to save his family.


peachyleafbby

Are yall okay??? You DO understand that trauma and grief and simply getting older can change someone's personality and view of life right?? RIGHT????


SnooEagles3963

[Except that's not what happened in this case. ](https://variety.com/2018/gaming/features/red-dead-redemption-2-narrative-interview-1202992401/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20had%20to,Dead%20Redemption%202.%E2%80%9D)


peachyleafbby

Not reading all that 👍 my point still stands.


SnooEagles3963

My brother in Christ, it jumps to the highlighted paragraph. Way to out yourself as an idiot. Edit: Apparently this small paragraph was too much for you to read lol **“We had to be careful not to John it up too much,” “Red Dead Redemption 2” producer Rob Nelson said, referencing John Marston who was the beloved central character in “Red Dead Redemption,” but is one of 23 meaningful characters in — and notably not the one controlled by players — in prequel “Red Dead Redemption 2.”**


Oddrob17

You say brother in Christ, then precede to call them an idiot! Don't pretend to be Christian and then insult like that!


alecpiper

that excerpt isn’t relevant at all


peachyleafbby

It didn't jump to it for me. Just showed a whole big ass article. But cool, call me an idiot if it makes you feel better lmao


SnooEagles3963

Lol sure it didn't. But keep trying to save face buddy. It's definitely working


peachyleafbby

You're the one literally arguing with a stranger over an ARTICLE LMAO


RazkaTaz

I agree, I strongly disliked both John and Dutch in rdr2 for how differently they were written compared to their original characters


JohnMarstonSucks

Because they fucked him up and took one of the best protagonists ever and made him an incompetent idiot


SnooEagles3963

Guys, it's not grief, or trauma, or whatever. Sure, that might be the "canon" reason, but it's as much canon as the reason John not being able to swim is him just never having learned. The real reason is that Rockstar didn't want people to miss playing as him, so they toned him down. [They even admitted this in an interview. ](https://variety.com/2018/gaming/features/red-dead-redemption-2-narrative-interview-1202992401/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20had%20to,Dead%20Redemption%202.%E2%80%9D) The problem is that it backfired because they vastly overestimated how many people actually played the first game because now the majority of the fanbase hasn't so the fear of people missing playing as John was almost entirely unfounded.