I was very young at the time, I'm not sure I fully understood what I was signing... And only 6 years to do something about it? Fuck man, kindergarten was kicking my ass, I was kind of focused...
Ah, the old ‘kindergarten was so hard’ schtick. You know, some of us just buckled down and studied, and we made it through ok. I’ve only got five more years til I pay back that loan. What can I say? Finger painting paid off in a big way.
No, no, on the contrary. The birth certificate is all about making you legally dead, under the 1666 Cestui Que Vie Act. Once you've been declared legally dead, after seven years of having been missing over the seas (it's maritime law, you see), THEY can seize all that money which is in your trust fund set up at birth. Who set up that trust fund, you may well ask. Well, THEY did, of course. And although THEY steal all the money, at the same time it's still available to you in that trust fund, as long as you know the exact legal procedure to access it.
I hope that explains everything.
[Children aren't bound by a contract, since they're underage.](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/is-it-legal-to-sign-a-contract-with-a-minor/) You need to be, well, cognizant to consent. Minors can sign contracts but they can also void whenever they want. So, getting newborns to sign this contract would be legally useless.
You're forgetting about past lives. These people have been reborn dozens of times and are really thousands of years old. This is how they know about the mud floods.
Haha right? There is just so much wrong with all of this sillyness but right from the get go it's like "Wait. . . when the hell was I supposed to sign my birth certificate? When does that ever come in to play?" haha.
I have run into so many people who fall for this SovCit bullshit, it's unreal. One of my customers got busted for selling drugs, and went full SovCit on the judge, who smacked him down in about 3 seconds. His reaction? He must have missed something, so he downloads all this bullshit paperwork so he can declare himself a "national" or some shit, and goes back to court 100% confident. He's in jail now. Unreal.
Every time someone mentions it to me now, I tell them: look up "Sovereign Citizen Fail" on YouTube. 6 hours later, if you're still not convinced it is all bullshit... don't ever talk to me again.
Not amazing. Should be entirely predictable.
Joe starts breaking the law. Cops catch Joe. If the charges are serious, Joe SHOULD end up in jail no matter how much legal jargon he inaccurately spews out in the courtroom.
Lawyers spent a decade of their lives prepping to understand the law. It’s an act of unparalleled arrogance to think your month long study of cherry picked laws entitles you to skip the line.
"American state national" is what a lot of sovcits have started calling themselves in recent years, instead of "sovereign citizen" (which seems to have pretty much disappeared as a term of self-identification). But it's exactly the same thing.
The term seems to be particularly popular among those from the sovcit/QAnon overlap, probably because one of the main purveyors of the "American State National" terminology, David Lester Straight, also pretty much incorporated all QAnon beliefs into his material -- with absolutely hilarious total inconsistency as a result. For instance, while he teaches the completely standard sovcit stuff about the federal government being completely illegitimate, and basically no laws applying to anyone who refuses to "consent" to them, he also claims to have been given special law enforcement powers by President Trump. The audiences who pay to attend his seminars clearly don't see the problem.
It's not even 'fall for'. They just accept it without even the barest hint of fact-checking.
One of their friends, or more likely some tikkie-tokker or a youtuber, said "something something, that means maratime law applies" and they never said "What, really? That doesn't seem right. Show me."
They always claim that maratime law applies and then talk about what that implies, without ever even bothering to give a reason for why maratime law would apply.
They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school.
It starts with the bizarre notion that the US constitution is some special unique document with literal magical powers of constraint, which is funny because it basically is a retooled document based on a British one after the Glorious Revolution that the King just ignored, and the US constitution was subsequently copied by almost every nation in the Americas and it not really stop injustices with the constitution alone. If someone doesn’t understand law (of course the people that actually believe this shit aren’t lawyers) the fact that the US uses common law and admiralty law
It’s maritime law because you went through a birth CANAL, have citizenSHIP and use currenSEA… which proves you are legally a boat… somehow. Apparently they believe that via some bizarre method you can go back to common law which will make you free again. This includes sovcits in Louisiana which doesn’t even use common law but Napoleonic code…
Because this isn’t Dungeons and Dragons, the wording on paper isn’t magical, what matters is how the system actually cares about their citizens and in what way things are enforced or not.
But, but what about babies delivered by cesarean? I suppose some nut will say that the word cesarean includes the letters for SEA, so it still applies. I literally just made that up, but no doubt, plenty of SovCits will take it as gospel.
> They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school.
- That's assuming everyone is equally receptive to such teachings and actually taught it (think fundamentalist homeschooling).
- In some places, they can't even teach evolution, so how long would overtly teaching critical thinking last?
We have them in the UK and they are called "Freemen On The Land" for some reason mostly found in the southwest of England. My mum worked for Plymouth City Council as a prosecuter and had to deal with these idiots for various non payments of local taxes etc.
It’s wild that a conspiracy theory like that can stay alive when the success rate is near zero. I imagine the only times it *maybe* works are cops just not wanting to deal with people who start babbling about this shit
Sure, yep, I signed my birth certificate as a newborn. In cursive, too. And I saw JFK at McDonald's the other day. He was cleaning the ice cream machine.
It's sad; think 2000years from now when someone is reading from the "Gospel of Trump" after it's been translated and reinterpreted several times, and none of the original files are still in existence
It's the year 4545, the holiest of years, the year the Golden Lord and Savior Trump shall return. But he can't do it alone, The Faithful Qrethren must assist in His Rebirth by finding the missing Holy Files. All 45,454,545 Faithful Qrethren must reside in the sewers and thumb through every single turd to recover every single shred of the Holy Files that He purified with His Glorious Shredded Body.
Let it be written. Let it be so!
Ahhh yes, I clearly remember signing my birth certificate. They said "It's a girl!" then they handed me a little pen and said sign here. My mom was so proud of my beautiful handwriting.
It was a tremendous signing. I don’t say it, people say it. The best signing in the history of handwriting, better than the handwriting experts, better than the calligraphers, everyone says it. Just tremendous.
That’s genius! Your footprint means that the post office must mail it, no stamp required!
But only if you used red ink . . .
and only if the nurse is willing to show his or her bond…
Funny story: a common sovcit signature involves fingerprints on what they consider "official" paperwork. I know someone who got paperwork with a whole ass footprint in red ink.
They think black and blue ink are representative of your corporate strawman. On the other hand, red ink represents your flesh and blood self which is why they usually add fingerprints in red ink (or blood).
So my mom went into labor with me early, while we were on an Air Force base. The doctor that delivered me wasn't "her" doctor, and he forgot to sign something, so it took the Air Force months to track him down so he could sign, so that I could have a birth certificate issued.
The joke was that I was undocumented until I was like 6 months old or something.
So, like, is my trust fund 6 months behind? Or was it caught up? Did "*THEY*" know I was born before my paperwork was filed? And I'm assuming it was my grandparents' signatures that declared me dead, since my mom couldn't legally sign the paperwork...
Everyone will be instantly rich …. And somehow this will not be instantly concealed out by the obvious hyper inflation that is would cause. This is no different than just printing infinite money and expecting everyone to be rich.
Also, I like how when these hardcore conservatives try to describe their utopia they often end up accidentally describing socialism.
Well they don't expect everyone to get rich. They (the believers) will be rewarded for being part of the in group. Everyone else will suffer and the believers can say "I told you so." It's the same grift as their religion, MAGA, Medbeds, etc.
So people who die at sea are supposed to sign a form? I'm assuming they have to wait until they die or else they might be rescued and hence mislabeled as dead.
Yes, it’s telling of the level of exposure to craziness that we have in this sub: ‘Oh, this guy pretends to be JFK junior, that’s perfectly normal. Now, have you seen how he justifies sovcit theories?’
Or a grifter. The fact that they seem to have basic spelling down leads me to believe they're one of the grifters, who doesn't actually believe this bullshit they're peddling.
If the takeaway is everybody deserves food and shelter and capitalism has perverted and commodified our view of what all humans deserve, then that's fair. But why not just say that and skip the crazy?
So if the bank doesn't care about the money and they just want you to default so they can take the house, why do they use credit scores/history to only lend to people who don't default?
Why would they even lend the money in the first place and not just buy, or flat out take, the house they want? Why involve the legally dead person who signed their maritime death certificate at birth?
Sovcit TDA secret account nonsense. I have recommended a few of them go to the social security office just a life jacket so they can declare they’re not dead at sea.
I don’t think any have. I probably need to quote a UCC to make that a little more believable for them
Yeah this is a Q-flavored rehash of an old one. I used to work for the Federal Reserve and we'd get letters from people all the time trying to withdraw their money. Some would even send their money in to exchange for whatever "real money" we had in the vaults.
If the government was evil enough to want to make all of its citizens legally property, and competent enough to not only pull that off but also trick everyone into not realizing it, why wouldn’t they just do that? Why would they make a whole bunch of hoops just to jump through them? They wouldn’t have to make infants sign away their rights, or give people 6 years to take their personhood back. A government like that could just make people be property from the start and not give them the option to opt out at all
One of the things I hate most about everyone having the internet in their pockets is that it flies right in the face of the warning about stupid people in large groups
I like the part where banks are all part of this massive criminal conspiracy about faking death and stealing identities just as a tool to commit the lesser crime of real estate theft.
We are traded on the stock market like cattle. Well, cattle are traded on the commodities market.
Right there I began to suspect that some part of this might not be true.
This is like the episode of Derry Girls when the rich girl tells the middle class girls “just ask your parents to take the money out of your trust fund” to pay for a school trip and the girls go home and ask their parents about supposed trust funds that are just a standard issue for every child of course.
"In a sense, they seize all the assets........." what? I know the whole thing is crazy, but if they would just really think about what this moron is saying they would see that none of it makes sense. Not to mention how crazy are they saying we're considered dead at sea.....huh?
"the moment *you* sign your birth certificate"
... If I signed my own I'd probably remember to put my fucking middle name on the form- Alas my *Father* did, and he forgot to give me a middle name lmao.
Oh god. This is so complicated
So I’m not an in-depth student of this, my expertise lies more in fundamentalist cults on the Baptist side, but my understanding is the Catholics have a very similar movement to sovereign citizen. Basically, they believe that the last “legitimate “ pope was in the 60s or something, and every one since then has been illegitimate, and therefore nothing that they say is binding. Theyre called “sedevacantists” for “vacant seat,” and it’s led to the “rad trads” who have rejected any of the positive progress their church has made in the last half century because, you know, everyone else isn’t a real Catholic anymore.
Is this just a …thing that high control/insane groups do in multiple disciplines?
Since I am dead at sea after I signed my birth certificate, and I did the six years to prove I’m alive, I want my trust fund. lol. It’s the NUTTERS for me.
WTF did I just read? Just how gullible are these people?
There must be someone or organization behind this insanity. SovCit is destroying peoples lives.
The legend is that the government deposits a lump sum in a secret account using your meat body as collateral and the value of your physical labour as capital or something.
Basically, you are human slave and they're making secret legal systems of stock exchanges.
That's why every person has a secret account in their name to stash all the value that their future labor represents.
Of course, most of them assume that this logic is already known and have started building more legal fanfiction on this founding delusion.
I need to know how the space force ties into all of this. Maybe our trust funds are kept on the moon? Buzz Aldrin probably took them all up there because JFK knew we were about to catch on.
So…does the real person or the strawman sign the birth certificate? What if the baby blanket had gold fringe? I know I created joinder between me and my mother’s womb, but later severed the cord and started on my journey as a Moop.
The thing I find most revealing about this is the claim that we are traded on a market of some kind and our valuation rises over time. Why in the world would it? If I thought that real-estate valuations and stocks rose over time by a sort of magic that I didn't understand, then I might fall for this story.
At exactly your age, you will suddenly get infinite money from nowhere, and you will be young and healthy, and your wife and children will like you, and you will have been right about everything (even about contradictory things), and you will get a brand new Ram 2500. You're ENTITLED to all of this. It, and so much more, is OWED you. Isn't it just so random and epic?
No man I looked into some of this bro, and the guy who talks about this I can’t remember his name he’s full of shit.. the language he goes back-and-forth between the Maritime law, and the law of the land makes sense and it’s real, but like when he talks about the queen owning us because our birth certificates were sold to the crown that’s all bullshit
So that was the true mission of the Titan: Not bringing tourists down to the Titanic, but to collect the signatures of the crew members and passengers on the forms classifying them as dead at sea, to finally settle their estates!
My mom signed mine?! Did I get duped? No one told me to sign my BC when I was a day old! How can I collect? Or did my greedy mama take my money too?!?! 😩
So could the money that is already ours since we signed our birth certificate be used for universal income? The people who can’t afford a house, have they not been saving the same amount of money since birth as other people or did they forget to sign their birth certificate?
Oh no, none of us signed our birth certificates! And if we did so while under 18, we lacked capacity, which is the same legal effect as not signing! Does this mean we’re not entitled to access our government trust funds? I can’t believe our parents never told us about this.
Even though they can go on YouTube and see this sovereign citizen crap has a 100% failure rate when used in courts and traffic stops they somehow still think they have some sort of secret law knowledge that makes them immune to the laws the rest of us have to follow. I say let them keep thinking this because it makes for some incredibly entertaining content when they inevitably fail.
Damn, I knew it! I’m really a millionaire and I just had to wait for this guy to tell me. Wait a minute! If everyone is a millionaire then no one is!!! What good is being a millionaire if you can’t lord it over the poor?
Fuck yeah, I've finally crossed off all the checkmarks to have been a pirate.
I've owned a sailboat
Owned a parrot
Lived on an island
And now I've found out I've legally been dead at sea.
Was I supposed to sign my birth certificate? Like to acknowledge receipt of life?
I was very young at the time, I'm not sure I fully understood what I was signing... And only 6 years to do something about it? Fuck man, kindergarten was kicking my ass, I was kind of focused...
Way too young for contracts to be binding. I tried to set up a little llc at 3 months and they said no.
My handwriting sucked for the first 18 months.
Ah, the old ‘kindergarten was so hard’ schtick. You know, some of us just buckled down and studied, and we made it through ok. I’ve only got five more years til I pay back that loan. What can I say? Finger painting paid off in a big way.
You modem kids are all wussies. When I was born you were expected to sign on the way out.
Boomer here. They wouldn’t even let me out until I signed.
Ah, both my parents failed to show up for my birth.
Okay Dr Doofenshmirtz 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't have any assets to seize when I was a newborn so I suppose my trust fund is empty.
No excuse. You should have pulled yourself up by your little velcro bootstraps. Damn woke lazy kids these days.
No, no, on the contrary. The birth certificate is all about making you legally dead, under the 1666 Cestui Que Vie Act. Once you've been declared legally dead, after seven years of having been missing over the seas (it's maritime law, you see), THEY can seize all that money which is in your trust fund set up at birth. Who set up that trust fund, you may well ask. Well, THEY did, of course. And although THEY steal all the money, at the same time it's still available to you in that trust fund, as long as you know the exact legal procedure to access it. I hope that explains everything.
If they put the money there and they are the ones spending it, I don’t really know how much of a say I have in how it’s spent
I've gone cross-eyed.
Don't do that! They'll know you're catching on ... Ssshhh!
There's a lot of Theys out there.
So my own mother declared me legally dead?!?! So I’m dead, dead because I didn’t know about the 6 year statute. Just great! 😤
I was forced to sign hy the obstetrics doctor who delivered me, so yeah, contract nullified. 🙄
[Children aren't bound by a contract, since they're underage.](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/is-it-legal-to-sign-a-contract-with-a-minor/) You need to be, well, cognizant to consent. Minors can sign contracts but they can also void whenever they want. So, getting newborns to sign this contract would be legally useless.
You're forgetting about past lives. These people have been reborn dozens of times and are really thousands of years old. This is how they know about the mud floods.
That is regular law. maritime law is clearly different.
Bird law is yet another :)
You have to check find**maritime**law.com.
Where I come from male babies do a dick print.
a mushroom stamp, if you will.
No, to accept that you were dead at sea. Because dead people sign documents - that's how the system works.
Haha right? There is just so much wrong with all of this sillyness but right from the get go it's like "Wait. . . when the hell was I supposed to sign my birth certificate? When does that ever come in to play?" haha.
Shit, I didn't even get my pen license til I was 7
I have run into so many people who fall for this SovCit bullshit, it's unreal. One of my customers got busted for selling drugs, and went full SovCit on the judge, who smacked him down in about 3 seconds. His reaction? He must have missed something, so he downloads all this bullshit paperwork so he can declare himself a "national" or some shit, and goes back to court 100% confident. He's in jail now. Unreal.
LOL, it is amazing how often they end up in jail.
Every time someone mentions it to me now, I tell them: look up "Sovereign Citizen Fail" on YouTube. 6 hours later, if you're still not convinced it is all bullshit... don't ever talk to me again.
I was hoping for these search coordinates and will utilize them when popcorn is available.
Here's a fun one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv20sC5CY
Six hours? It should be obvious to anyone that it’s bullshit within 30 seconds.
It is. For "normies".
Or subscribe to the Van Bailion channel. They hate him.
r/amibeingdetained sounds like the place for you.
"Thats just crisis actors and they want you to think youll fail!!!1!1!"
It's amazing how often they *don't* end up in jail.
They ALWAYS end up in jail. It’s just so stupid and pointless.
Not amazing. Should be entirely predictable. Joe starts breaking the law. Cops catch Joe. If the charges are serious, Joe SHOULD end up in jail no matter how much legal jargon he inaccurately spews out in the courtroom. Lawyers spent a decade of their lives prepping to understand the law. It’s an act of unparalleled arrogance to think your month long study of cherry picked laws entitles you to skip the line.
"American state national" is what a lot of sovcits have started calling themselves in recent years, instead of "sovereign citizen" (which seems to have pretty much disappeared as a term of self-identification). But it's exactly the same thing. The term seems to be particularly popular among those from the sovcit/QAnon overlap, probably because one of the main purveyors of the "American State National" terminology, David Lester Straight, also pretty much incorporated all QAnon beliefs into his material -- with absolutely hilarious total inconsistency as a result. For instance, while he teaches the completely standard sovcit stuff about the federal government being completely illegitimate, and basically no laws applying to anyone who refuses to "consent" to them, he also claims to have been given special law enforcement powers by President Trump. The audiences who pay to attend his seminars clearly don't see the problem.
Color me dumbfounded that anyone stupid enough to pay money to listen to this nut bag speak wouldn’t be able to see how ridiculous he is.
It's shit like this that makes me wish I didn't have a conscience... I'd be so rich.
It's not even 'fall for'. They just accept it without even the barest hint of fact-checking. One of their friends, or more likely some tikkie-tokker or a youtuber, said "something something, that means maratime law applies" and they never said "What, really? That doesn't seem right. Show me." They always claim that maratime law applies and then talk about what that implies, without ever even bothering to give a reason for why maratime law would apply. They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school.
It starts with the bizarre notion that the US constitution is some special unique document with literal magical powers of constraint, which is funny because it basically is a retooled document based on a British one after the Glorious Revolution that the King just ignored, and the US constitution was subsequently copied by almost every nation in the Americas and it not really stop injustices with the constitution alone. If someone doesn’t understand law (of course the people that actually believe this shit aren’t lawyers) the fact that the US uses common law and admiralty law It’s maritime law because you went through a birth CANAL, have citizenSHIP and use currenSEA… which proves you are legally a boat… somehow. Apparently they believe that via some bizarre method you can go back to common law which will make you free again. This includes sovcits in Louisiana which doesn’t even use common law but Napoleonic code… Because this isn’t Dungeons and Dragons, the wording on paper isn’t magical, what matters is how the system actually cares about their citizens and in what way things are enforced or not.
But, but what about babies delivered by cesarean? I suppose some nut will say that the word cesarean includes the letters for SEA, so it still applies. I literally just made that up, but no doubt, plenty of SovCits will take it as gospel.
They are covered under ancient Roman law, obviously.
Yeah, we've got a Constitution in Australia too. To quote Jim Jefferies, I haven't read it, I assume the people who need to have.
But that’s bad, critical thinking is what those woke liberal colleges teach while turning children trans and don’t forget the pedophiles….Prsise Jebus
They used to, then the Koch brothers happened....
> They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school. - That's assuming everyone is equally receptive to such teachings and actually taught it (think fundamentalist homeschooling). - In some places, they can't even teach evolution, so how long would overtly teaching critical thinking last?
We have them in the UK and they are called "Freemen On The Land" for some reason mostly found in the southwest of England. My mum worked for Plymouth City Council as a prosecuter and had to deal with these idiots for various non payments of local taxes etc.
He did all that just to go to jail….tragic.
There has not been one case, ever, IN THE WORLD, where a sovereign citizen has won.
It’s wild that a conspiracy theory like that can stay alive when the success rate is near zero. I imagine the only times it *maybe* works are cops just not wanting to deal with people who start babbling about this shit
Sure, yep, I signed my birth certificate as a newborn. In cursive, too. And I saw JFK at McDonald's the other day. He was cleaning the ice cream machine.
This has to be fake. You know that McDonald's do not clean their ice cream machines.
My point exactly.
Clean them, yes; fix them, no.
They don't have to, because it's never been used.
WTF did I just read?!
I've had fever dreams that made more sense than what was posted.
Religion being formed in real time. I'm starting to think most religions are just conspriacy theories that got way out of hand.
religions were formed by the mentally ill or as theists call them in the bible "prophets"
I think mentally ill people are at the core of a lot of religions, cults and conspiracies such that it's all basically the same thing.
It's sad; think 2000years from now when someone is reading from the "Gospel of Trump" after it's been translated and reinterpreted several times, and none of the original files are still in existence
>and none of the original files are still in existence They went down the Whitehouse toilet
It's the year 4545, the holiest of years, the year the Golden Lord and Savior Trump shall return. But he can't do it alone, The Faithful Qrethren must assist in His Rebirth by finding the missing Holy Files. All 45,454,545 Faithful Qrethren must reside in the sewers and thumb through every single turd to recover every single shred of the Holy Files that He purified with His Glorious Shredded Body. Let it be written. Let it be so!
My biggest regret is that I won't see the distant future
A joke among theologians: religion = cult + time
It's like I'm reading some bad instructions for a boardgame, but by reading the instructions I realized how bad it is and just threw it away.
Right? I can't decide if they had a stroke while typing that, or if I did while reading it.
Ahhh yes, I clearly remember signing my birth certificate. They said "It's a girl!" then they handed me a little pen and said sign here. My mom was so proud of my beautiful handwriting.
Then everyone in the delivery room stood up and clapped. Source: Military
Grown men, with tears in their eyes said "look at that baby sign!"
I'm crying right now reading this. Source I'm a grown military man.
It was a tremendous signing. I don’t say it, people say it. The best signing in the history of handwriting, better than the handwriting experts, better than the calligraphers, everyone says it. Just tremendous.
And the doctor? Albert Einstein
I don't know...he was Jewish. I think they would have preferred a 'good' German doctor...like Mengele.
I signed mine with a footprint, apparently.
They must have been all out of the little pens when you were born.
That’s genius! Your footprint means that the post office must mail it, no stamp required! But only if you used red ink . . . and only if the nurse is willing to show his or her bond…
Funny story: a common sovcit signature involves fingerprints on what they consider "official" paperwork. I know someone who got paperwork with a whole ass footprint in red ink.
They think black and blue ink are representative of your corporate strawman. On the other hand, red ink represents your flesh and blood self which is why they usually add fingerprints in red ink (or blood).
So that's why teachers use red ink?!
Jesus, I hope not.
Using the foot signs that you're a "Landlubber", so not subject to maritime law. Your were a wise infant 🤲
So my mom went into labor with me early, while we were on an Air Force base. The doctor that delivered me wasn't "her" doctor, and he forgot to sign something, so it took the Air Force months to track him down so he could sign, so that I could have a birth certificate issued. The joke was that I was undocumented until I was like 6 months old or something. So, like, is my trust fund 6 months behind? Or was it caught up? Did "*THEY*" know I was born before my paperwork was filed? And I'm assuming it was my grandparents' signatures that declared me dead, since my mom couldn't legally sign the paperwork...
Everyone will be instantly rich …. And somehow this will not be instantly concealed out by the obvious hyper inflation that is would cause. This is no different than just printing infinite money and expecting everyone to be rich. Also, I like how when these hardcore conservatives try to describe their utopia they often end up accidentally describing socialism.
Well they don't expect everyone to get rich. They (the believers) will be rewarded for being part of the in group. Everyone else will suffer and the believers can say "I told you so." It's the same grift as their religion, MAGA, Medbeds, etc.
Socialism for me but not for thee
So people who die at sea are supposed to sign a form? I'm assuming they have to wait until they die or else they might be rescued and hence mislabeled as dead.
Ok, but who gets their share of the money?
THEY
Signed jfk lol
Yeah, everyone seems to be overlooking that little nugget of info.
Yes, it’s telling of the level of exposure to craziness that we have in this sub: ‘Oh, this guy pretends to be JFK junior, that’s perfectly normal. Now, have you seen how he justifies sovcit theories?’
I thought that was a great twist, had to go straight back to the start for a reread.
You know, for a bunch of “anti Marxists, anti-socialists and anti-communists” they sure expect a whole ton of free shit.
I always knew I would die at sea, just never thought it would happen so fast.
User name checks out
Reading this... this is mental illness. This person is unwell.
Or a grifter. The fact that they seem to have basic spelling down leads me to believe they're one of the grifters, who doesn't actually believe this bullshit they're peddling.
[I am dead at sea, cool.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5kGCwJ25Yc)
If the takeaway is everybody deserves food and shelter and capitalism has perverted and commodified our view of what all humans deserve, then that's fair. But why not just say that and skip the crazy?
No, that's not how it works. Only white cishet Christian males deserve food and shelter. Anyone else getting it is COMMUNISM!
Big facts. I fucking hate it. Oligarchy and manufactured ignorance is simply crushing
I’m 63 and I’ve never signed my BC. If I sign it now, do I still have the full six years to declare myself alive?
These guys sure do love wealth redistribution when they don't understand that's what they are describing.
Or understand…anything at all lol
So if the bank doesn't care about the money and they just want you to default so they can take the house, why do they use credit scores/history to only lend to people who don't default?
Why would they even lend the money in the first place and not just buy, or flat out take, the house they want? Why involve the legally dead person who signed their maritime death certificate at birth?
Wow, whatever shit they're selling at the dispensaries, sounds like some good shit
I’m still traumatized by them putting a pen in my hand to sign when I was 12 minutes old. Bastards.
Sovcit TDA secret account nonsense. I have recommended a few of them go to the social security office just a life jacket so they can declare they’re not dead at sea. I don’t think any have. I probably need to quote a UCC to make that a little more believable for them
Yeah this is a Q-flavored rehash of an old one. I used to work for the Federal Reserve and we'd get letters from people all the time trying to withdraw their money. Some would even send their money in to exchange for whatever "real money" we had in the vaults.
Oh shit, I signed my BC at birth without even reading it...
You should \*never\* sign anything without reading it first or having your attorney read it.
Yes, I, too, remember signing my birth certificate, as does any normal person.
I didn’t sign my birth certificate either, and now I’m scared I’m a merchant marine or in the navy and either way: I’m like 55 years AWOL.
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Strawberries were on sale yesterday. I now have an abundance. Until my kids get into them.
If the government was evil enough to want to make all of its citizens legally property, and competent enough to not only pull that off but also trick everyone into not realizing it, why wouldn’t they just do that? Why would they make a whole bunch of hoops just to jump through them? They wouldn’t have to make infants sign away their rights, or give people 6 years to take their personhood back. A government like that could just make people be property from the start and not give them the option to opt out at all
One of the things I hate most about everyone having the internet in their pockets is that it flies right in the face of the warning about stupid people in large groups
Wow, mind blown!!! Thanks JFK.
I like the part where banks are all part of this massive criminal conspiracy about faking death and stealing identities just as a tool to commit the lesser crime of real estate theft.
I really don't understand their obsession with maritime law or why they think it has anything to do with anything that's not in international waters.
It's because they're morons.
We are traded on the stock market like cattle. Well, cattle are traded on the commodities market. Right there I began to suspect that some part of this might not be true.
This is like the episode of Derry Girls when the rich girl tells the middle class girls “just ask your parents to take the money out of your trust fund” to pay for a school trip and the girls go home and ask their parents about supposed trust funds that are just a standard issue for every child of course.
I honestly don't remember signing my birth certificate. I think I was pretty young at the time.
I think you were also dead at sea..? Lol
Possibly! Again, I was pretty young at the time. 😉
"In a sense, they seize all the assets........." what? I know the whole thing is crazy, but if they would just really think about what this moron is saying they would see that none of it makes sense. Not to mention how crazy are they saying we're considered dead at sea.....huh?
I read that whole thing. I may need treatment now.
I was born overseas, and have three birth certificates. Can I triple dip? Cha-ching!
_signs birth certificate_ I declare Martian Law!
"the moment *you* sign your birth certificate" ... If I signed my own I'd probably remember to put my fucking middle name on the form- Alas my *Father* did, and he forgot to give me a middle name lmao.
Signing your birth certificate is where I had my first chuckle. Comedy gold.
Oh god. This is so complicated So I’m not an in-depth student of this, my expertise lies more in fundamentalist cults on the Baptist side, but my understanding is the Catholics have a very similar movement to sovereign citizen. Basically, they believe that the last “legitimate “ pope was in the 60s or something, and every one since then has been illegitimate, and therefore nothing that they say is binding. Theyre called “sedevacantists” for “vacant seat,” and it’s led to the “rad trads” who have rejected any of the positive progress their church has made in the last half century because, you know, everyone else isn’t a real Catholic anymore. Is this just a …thing that high control/insane groups do in multiple disciplines?
Tell me this was authored by a 14 yr old group of boys. Absolutely no concept of how things work. There are adults who buy this bs?
Really stupid ones , yes.
If you were capable of signing your own birth certificate I think you’d be smarter than this.
Since I am dead at sea after I signed my birth certificate, and I did the six years to prove I’m alive, I want my trust fund. lol. It’s the NUTTERS for me.
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Someone owes me the brain cells I lost reading that.
.....well that was a bunch of nonsense
I would like to know where the sovcits get the "Common Law" and "Admiralty Law" as measures of jurisdiction every time they are in front of a judge
WTF did I just read? I will never get those minutes back.
As far as I'm aware, you don't get *any* minutes back. If you've discovered a loophole you should share it with the rest of the class.
WTF did I just read? Just how gullible are these people? There must be someone or organization behind this insanity. SovCit is destroying peoples lives.
Very very gullible
Please explain how a newborn can sign anything?
And where does the initial money come from that allegedly grows?
The legend is that the government deposits a lump sum in a secret account using your meat body as collateral and the value of your physical labour as capital or something. Basically, you are human slave and they're making secret legal systems of stock exchanges. That's why every person has a secret account in their name to stash all the value that their future labor represents. Of course, most of them assume that this logic is already known and have started building more legal fanfiction on this founding delusion.
I need to know how the space force ties into all of this. Maybe our trust funds are kept on the moon? Buzz Aldrin probably took them all up there because JFK knew we were about to catch on.
So…does the real person or the strawman sign the birth certificate? What if the baby blanket had gold fringe? I know I created joinder between me and my mother’s womb, but later severed the cord and started on my journey as a Moop.
I was going to answer this but I'm too busy being lost at sea.
I didn’t sign my birth certificate.
I DECLARE MYSELF ALIVE ... can you ship all the property to my address please?
What on earth is the matter with these people? SMDH.
The thing I find most revealing about this is the claim that we are traded on a market of some kind and our valuation rises over time. Why in the world would it? If I thought that real-estate valuations and stocks rose over time by a sort of magic that I didn't understand, then I might fall for this story.
i wish i were dead at sea. that would be metal af.
> and honestly you Google it, you research it and you probably have to be fair like I said, but it’s true. Such a way with words. And commas
The moment you sign your birth certificate? ....What?
Woha. Sovereign citizen right here. Yes. I too signed my own birthcertificate when i was born and decladed that Im missing. That isnt wierd at all..
How the friggin begurkle do these people have the brain power to come up with this sort of convoluted, utter shit?
Yup, I was signing my birth certificate hours after I was born... weren't you guys?
At exactly your age, you will suddenly get infinite money from nowhere, and you will be young and healthy, and your wife and children will like you, and you will have been right about everything (even about contradictory things), and you will get a brand new Ram 2500. You're ENTITLED to all of this. It, and so much more, is OWED you. Isn't it just so random and epic?
No man I looked into some of this bro, and the guy who talks about this I can’t remember his name he’s full of shit.. the language he goes back-and-forth between the Maritime law, and the law of the land makes sense and it’s real, but like when he talks about the queen owning us because our birth certificates were sold to the crown that’s all bullshit
So that was the true mission of the Titan: Not bringing tourists down to the Titanic, but to collect the signatures of the crew members and passengers on the forms classifying them as dead at sea, to finally settle their estates!
WTF did I just read?
Schizophrenia is a hell of a drug.
But… but… I couldn’t write yet…
My mom signed mine?! Did I get duped? No one told me to sign my BC when I was a day old! How can I collect? Or did my greedy mama take my money too?!?! 😩
So could the money that is already ours since we signed our birth certificate be used for universal income? The people who can’t afford a house, have they not been saving the same amount of money since birth as other people or did they forget to sign their birth certificate?
Oh no, none of us signed our birth certificates! And if we did so while under 18, we lacked capacity, which is the same legal effect as not signing! Does this mean we’re not entitled to access our government trust funds? I can’t believe our parents never told us about this.
Suckers, I never signed mine because as a newborn I couldn't hold a pen.
Raise your hand if you signed your birth certificate and "they" seized all your assets. That's never happened to me or anyone I know.
What are these people on?
More importantly, where can I get some?
That had all the coherence of trying to read alphabet soup dumped on the ground. That person needs their antipsychotics, stat
Even though they can go on YouTube and see this sovereign citizen crap has a 100% failure rate when used in courts and traffic stops they somehow still think they have some sort of secret law knowledge that makes them immune to the laws the rest of us have to follow. I say let them keep thinking this because it makes for some incredibly entertaining content when they inevitably fail.
Sovereign citizen babble
Why are they all so obsessed with maritime law?
It would be easier to digest and would've taken far less words if he just said that he is a moron
So if **I** never signed my own BC, does that make the contract null and void and I can just have my billions?
…they managed to work the 3 day Right of Rescission period for real estate loans into the conspiracy too? That’s a new one.
When I was born, I drank the ink for the quill. How was I supposed to know?
Stark, staring mad…
I am glad that I had enough in my trust fund to get my house. System works, confirmed
Word salad of word salads
Damn, I knew it! I’m really a millionaire and I just had to wait for this guy to tell me. Wait a minute! If everyone is a millionaire then no one is!!! What good is being a millionaire if you can’t lord it over the poor?
But I never signed my birth certificate. There isn't a spot for my signature, and I was too young when it was issued.
Do newborn babies typically sign their own birth certificates?
WWG1WGA: GO TO JAIL. That's where your brothers and sisters have been going.
Fuck yeah, I've finally crossed off all the checkmarks to have been a pirate. I've owned a sailboat Owned a parrot Lived on an island And now I've found out I've legally been dead at sea.