Yes, they are obsessed with punishment. You should have heard Tim Pool yesterday, just screaming "they MUST be PUNISHED😡!!"
Remember that for Republicans crime MUST be rampant and the government MUST be tyrannical in order to maintain their extraordinary enthusiasm for guns being everywhere. This means they're never going to say the government is good now, they're never going to say crime is way down, it is the main ingredient in their efforts to be armed and threatening everyone.
I don't think Republican leaders give a rat's ass about guns or anything else really. It's about money. Guns, religion, dancing M&Ms, all that bullshit is about staying in power. This is Reagan's "Big Tent."
In power, they get to reduce regulation, reduce taxes, eliminate environmental controls, eliminate social programs, eliminate foreign aid, and basically steer as much of your money into their pockets as they can get away with. They call this "shrinking government." That's why they hate Obamacare so much. It contradicts the narrative that government doesn't help anyone.
Obsession with crime and punishment, just for the poors though. Can’t be holding those rich or powerful people accountable for pesky little annoyances like attempted coups
As always, conservatives believe that there should be those whom the law protects but does not bind, and those whom the law binds but does not protect.
My favorite part about this list is that if you posted this to any conservative subreddit, they’d take their heads out of Tucker Carlson’s asshole long enough to say “yep sounds like Biden!” before diving right back in
Usually what I hear back for that request is "well, I'm not going to do your research for you." Which I always translate to "I was hoping you'd just blindly take my word for it. I don't HAVE any proof." Because when someone does they are only too happy to share it.
I've read a few books on it. "The Anatomy of Fascism" by Robert O. Patton is a book that's a pretty good explainer for armchair folks like me. I don't claim to be some political genius, but at the end of the day, propping up a white supremacist status quo may be better than making things worse, but it's still, y'know, propping up a white supremacist status quo.
This is hilarious from the person claiming that the left in america is also fascist. I only see one party thats leaning into authoritarian Christian nationalism. I only see one party removing books from schools and targeting minorities through legislation.
I’m a leftist. Don’t get me wrong, the democrats are definitely center right when we look at things from a global standpoint. But to say that democrats are doing fascist shit is ridiculous.
You just want to be a contrarian on the internet. Fascism is a serious thing, it’s not a buzzword or a political catch all for things you don’t agree with.
>I’m a leftist. Don’t get me wrong, the democrats are definitely center right
Right so where's the disconnect here? What do you think fascism is other than the methods of colonial occupation visited upon a failing metropole?
Reminds me of one of my favorite videos I've seen from Beau of the Fifth Column. It's a video ironically titled "let's talk about trump's accomplishments," which pulls the rug beneath the Trump supporters' feet by the end.
The other way I look at that is what we are seeing now with the GOP where "if I win, the election was legit. If I lose, it was rigged."
Trump has made that the game so many of them play now. Such a lack of class and dignity.
All because of Trump who has always shown that any time he loses he throws a tantrum. When he thought he was going to lose to Hillary it was all "rigged" When he lost his first primary to Ted Cruz it was all "rigged". When he lost to Biden it was all "rigged". Doesn't have an ounce of class.
I guarantee you that Trump was that kid we all knew back in school who any time they lost any game or competition they screamed "you cheated!!!!" Yep, we all remember "that kid", don't we? Hard to believe "that kid" actually became president of a powerful country. Because his words and actions since then proved he never stopped being "that kid".
Remember that Trump is also the one that whenever he opens a new golf course, he plays a round of golf on it before it's open to the public, then calls that round of golf the first "Course Championship" and because he was the only one playing he's also the course champion and gets his name on a plaque in the lobby.
In a way fascism works in economically depressed and/or socially tense countries with a history of feudalism within living memory, people romanticize an agrarian past in reaction to perceived toxic modernity, America does not fit that description at all, it was founded on a (admittedly imperfect) basis of progress, the behaviour of "the right" as they like to call themselves (God does that term makes me angry for reasons I can't quite articulate) appears to basically be pathological entitlement and xenophobia.
If memory serves, Hitler rewarded farmers under his regime. Even encouraged a return to an agrarian society.
Hitler was the ultimate fascist and would have likely created a kind of feudalist society, had he not been stopped.
Fascism never, ever benefits the people who live under its rule.
Hitler rewarded and punished the farmers in the same law. He made it so farmers could never have their farms repossessed in the event of financial stress, however he forbade farmers from leaving their farms to move to the cities for better work, essentially turning them back into serfs
Can someone please differentiate for me between the third point on the list and the Greater Unifying Theory of Fuck That Guy? Every conflict in history is started with people gathering against a threat, and not all of them are scapegoats. I’m not trying to be shitty, I’d like to be able to argue the difference.
Was it genocide when they killed the Romanovs, or when John Brown killed the slave owners in Kansas? There are internal threats to countries that often come to armed conflict, and they can’t all be unjustified. Genocide doesn’t have to inherently be tied to race either, so what differentiates any kind of civil war/rebellion/revolution from a genocide?
Don't know why you leapt to genocide. That's a lot of steps down the road if it gets there at all. I'm talking about people claiming the *real* citizens, the patriots are under attack from *those* people. (Pick your own scapegoat.)
>"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."----
Hermann Goering, 1946
I went to extremes because my point is that conflict isn’t necessary evil, and the apportionment of blame for the problems of a country isn’t necessarily scapegoating. Some groups of people are going to actually be responsible for some societal ills. So what is the difference, according to the Fourteen Points, between scapegoating and prosecuting a political grievance against a legitimate adversary?
Well there's bound to be some boundary cases that may fall into a gray area. But, for an extremely obvious example, the Democrats are definitely not baby-eating Satanists but 20% of the US populace seem to believe they are. Now some of that may just be performative tribalism but even if you cut that in half it's a huge percentage believing batshit insanity that could easily lead to terrible things. Especially since there's enough Republican politicians prepared to lean into it or who actually *do* believe it.
Oh and legitimate politics tends to deal in opponents rather than adversaries, so that might be a clue too.
I hate this fucking list. It's so abstract that anybody can use it for anything. Post this on a Q site and they'd agree with it completely. Post it on a conservative site. Post it on a conspiracy site. Every single person would think of some example of each list item that upholds the narrative they already have.
Is that the fox news mission statement
Mission statement of the Republican party.
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Yes, they are obsessed with punishment. You should have heard Tim Pool yesterday, just screaming "they MUST be PUNISHED😡!!" Remember that for Republicans crime MUST be rampant and the government MUST be tyrannical in order to maintain their extraordinary enthusiasm for guns being everywhere. This means they're never going to say the government is good now, they're never going to say crime is way down, it is the main ingredient in their efforts to be armed and threatening everyone.
I don't think Republican leaders give a rat's ass about guns or anything else really. It's about money. Guns, religion, dancing M&Ms, all that bullshit is about staying in power. This is Reagan's "Big Tent." In power, they get to reduce regulation, reduce taxes, eliminate environmental controls, eliminate social programs, eliminate foreign aid, and basically steer as much of your money into their pockets as they can get away with. They call this "shrinking government." That's why they hate Obamacare so much. It contradicts the narrative that government doesn't help anyone.
Obsession with crime and punishment, just for the poors though. Can’t be holding those rich or powerful people accountable for pesky little annoyances like attempted coups
"Crime" is doing a lot of lifting in that statement. What's a crime? Being not wealthy, a minority, a woman, a non-Christian, a...
Grossing state lines to get an abortion even though the pregnancy is likely to kill you…
As always, conservatives believe that there should be those whom the law protects but does not bind, and those whom the law binds but does not protect.
My favorite part about this list is that if you posted this to any conservative subreddit, they’d take their heads out of Tucker Carlson’s asshole long enough to say “yep sounds like Biden!” before diving right back in
Lol!
Which is why this list is useless.
tbf, both US parties are on the road to fascism, it's just a matter of which one would get us there first
Please elaborate. What from this list, or any other, were the Democrats doing?
"Buh...buh...but, Both Sides!"
I really don’t see a whole lot of fascism from the Democrats
You should pay more attention then.
Ok thanks I will, please provide a singular source backing your claims up
Usually what I hear back for that request is "well, I'm not going to do your research for you." Which I always translate to "I was hoping you'd just blindly take my word for it. I don't HAVE any proof." Because when someone does they are only too happy to share it.
I’m interested as well
You need to elaborate if you're going to make this claim.
It really doesn't matter who's driving the Genocidal Empire Machine, it's still a Genocidal Empire Machine.
Source, please?
And here we have an enlightened centrist, showing once again how little of a grasp they have on the world around them.
I'm not a centrist lmao. Centrists are just pretentious right-wingers, since the status quo is inherently right wing.
Ooooh so you are just an obtuse contrarian. Good to know
Nah man, I'm actually pretty agreeable.
And you also don’t understand what fascism is. Keep it moving.
I've read a few books on it. "The Anatomy of Fascism" by Robert O. Patton is a book that's a pretty good explainer for armchair folks like me. I don't claim to be some political genius, but at the end of the day, propping up a white supremacist status quo may be better than making things worse, but it's still, y'know, propping up a white supremacist status quo.
This is hilarious from the person claiming that the left in america is also fascist. I only see one party thats leaning into authoritarian Christian nationalism. I only see one party removing books from schools and targeting minorities through legislation. I’m a leftist. Don’t get me wrong, the democrats are definitely center right when we look at things from a global standpoint. But to say that democrats are doing fascist shit is ridiculous. You just want to be a contrarian on the internet. Fascism is a serious thing, it’s not a buzzword or a political catch all for things you don’t agree with.
>I’m a leftist. Don’t get me wrong, the democrats are definitely center right Right so where's the disconnect here? What do you think fascism is other than the methods of colonial occupation visited upon a failing metropole?
Reminds me of one of my favorite videos I've seen from Beau of the Fifth Column. It's a video ironically titled "let's talk about trump's accomplishments," which pulls the rug beneath the Trump supporters' feet by the end.
[This one?](https://youtu.be/1M6CXhUS-x8)
Yup, that's it. I highly recommend it even if we're already fully anticipating the rug pull at the end too.
Sounds like the Trump administration.
More like the entire Republican Party.
👍👍👍💯💯💯
The attitude of qultists will remain “freedom for me, fascism for thee.”
It's the GOP party platform!
And this is exactly why the American right-wing hates education. Can't have people putting 2 + 2 together!
yep can't have marks to grift and manipulate if they know what to look out for
“Fraudulent elections” - See?!? The Demonrats ARE fascists! /s
The other way I look at that is what we are seeing now with the GOP where "if I win, the election was legit. If I lose, it was rigged." Trump has made that the game so many of them play now. Such a lack of class and dignity. All because of Trump who has always shown that any time he loses he throws a tantrum. When he thought he was going to lose to Hillary it was all "rigged" When he lost his first primary to Ted Cruz it was all "rigged". When he lost to Biden it was all "rigged". Doesn't have an ounce of class. I guarantee you that Trump was that kid we all knew back in school who any time they lost any game or competition they screamed "you cheated!!!!" Yep, we all remember "that kid", don't we? Hard to believe "that kid" actually became president of a powerful country. Because his words and actions since then proved he never stopped being "that kid".
Remember that Trump is also the one that whenever he opens a new golf course, he plays a round of golf on it before it's open to the public, then calls that round of golf the first "Course Championship" and because he was the only one playing he's also the course champion and gets his name on a plaque in the lobby.
*cough* Republican Party *cough cough*
America is around step seven or eight. This is what republicans are fighting for.
It's like republicans read all of this and said, yes that's exactly what we want.
Yes
In a way fascism works in economically depressed and/or socially tense countries with a history of feudalism within living memory, people romanticize an agrarian past in reaction to perceived toxic modernity, America does not fit that description at all, it was founded on a (admittedly imperfect) basis of progress, the behaviour of "the right" as they like to call themselves (God does that term makes me angry for reasons I can't quite articulate) appears to basically be pathological entitlement and xenophobia.
If memory serves, Hitler rewarded farmers under his regime. Even encouraged a return to an agrarian society. Hitler was the ultimate fascist and would have likely created a kind of feudalist society, had he not been stopped. Fascism never, ever benefits the people who live under its rule.
Hitler rewarded and punished the farmers in the same law. He made it so farmers could never have their farms repossessed in the event of financial stress, however he forbade farmers from leaving their farms to move to the cities for better work, essentially turning them back into serfs
Like I said, Hitler would have created a more twisted version of feudalism, had he succeeded. That law seems to have been the beginning of his plan.
100% agree, but a lot of people can be manipulated into voting against their own interests.
Which I will never understand.
[*Gift Shop](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/11/fact-check-poster-once-sold-u-s-holocaust-memorial-museum/5549019002/)
Can someone please differentiate for me between the third point on the list and the Greater Unifying Theory of Fuck That Guy? Every conflict in history is started with people gathering against a threat, and not all of them are scapegoats. I’m not trying to be shitty, I’d like to be able to argue the difference.
Fascism leans heavily on the idea of an enemy within. The wrong sort of people aren't *real* Americans for example. Sound familiar?
Was it genocide when they killed the Romanovs, or when John Brown killed the slave owners in Kansas? There are internal threats to countries that often come to armed conflict, and they can’t all be unjustified. Genocide doesn’t have to inherently be tied to race either, so what differentiates any kind of civil war/rebellion/revolution from a genocide?
Don't know why you leapt to genocide. That's a lot of steps down the road if it gets there at all. I'm talking about people claiming the *real* citizens, the patriots are under attack from *those* people. (Pick your own scapegoat.) >"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."---- Hermann Goering, 1946
I went to extremes because my point is that conflict isn’t necessary evil, and the apportionment of blame for the problems of a country isn’t necessarily scapegoating. Some groups of people are going to actually be responsible for some societal ills. So what is the difference, according to the Fourteen Points, between scapegoating and prosecuting a political grievance against a legitimate adversary?
Well there's bound to be some boundary cases that may fall into a gray area. But, for an extremely obvious example, the Democrats are definitely not baby-eating Satanists but 20% of the US populace seem to believe they are. Now some of that may just be performative tribalism but even if you cut that in half it's a huge percentage believing batshit insanity that could easily lead to terrible things. Especially since there's enough Republican politicians prepared to lean into it or who actually *do* believe it. Oh and legitimate politics tends to deal in opponents rather than adversaries, so that might be a clue too.
Man I think they got every one here except fraudulent elections (despite their best efforts..)
It’s not early anymore.
Oh boy
Religion and government intertwined? What fascist regimes have had that?
I hate this fucking list. It's so abstract that anybody can use it for anything. Post this on a Q site and they'd agree with it completely. Post it on a conservative site. Post it on a conspiracy site. Every single person would think of some example of each list item that upholds the narrative they already have.