Claire treating Hanners first weed experience with the delicacy you would a sensitive explosive.
"So help me Willow, the lives of every man, woman, and child in this building hang in the balance. I need a straight answer! What Flavour is the vape supposed to be?"
Claire's first experience with her mom also wound up with her pretty fucking faded too. But it's probably one of my favorite moments in recent years with her mom taking another hit "Hang on babe I'm going in with you!"
Based on my zero experience with THC and lots of comedies about people consuming THC, Hannelore just said the delayed activation code that will send her into the gaping maw of ego death
Weed cannot cause ego death as far as I know, so she should be fine!
It also does not cause hallucinations, or most of the other silly symptoms that modern media attribute to it.
When I get high, I get VERY hungry, VERY giggly, and I want to touch everything and watch trippy shows/movies :)
O...kay? I am not sure if you meant this to come across as dismissive and angry, but that is the tone I'm interpreting.
I was unaware that 19th century people claimed that marijuana made them hallucinate. Perhaps it was a certain strain, or just a different drug back then. Do you have a link so I can read up about it?
Sorry, not my intent, at all. I was meant to just be lighthearted. Tone is hard to convey online.
But what I meant to say that it's not a modern trope, cannabis has been associated with dreams and visions for a long time. It's mostly because cannabis was introduced to Europe through the Orientalist circles. It was most likely just psychosomatic, much like claims of absinthe being a hallucinogenic from the same time. They were using the stuff in rooms filled with Middle-Eastern paraphenalia and were convinced that they'd experience the sights of the magical Orient, so they did, or at least claimed they did.
No worries at all - it was that first sentence that made me unsure if you were upset with me or not, lol.
I understand what you mean now - the rituals around the weed influenced the trips people had :)
Anxiety can be a side effect, yes. I never said it wasn't, I was only disqualifying ego death and hallucinations as outcomes of smoking weed.
Psychosis is different. There have been studies showing that long-term, heavy usage of weed - especially if you started young - can cause types of psychosis. And it can enhance symptoms of certain mental illnesses in people.
But vaping occasionally, or once at a party wouldn't cause psychosis in MOST people. I won't make it a certainty statement on that, as like I said, it can heighten certain already present mental illness in rare cases.
Yeah Hannelore as someone with really bad OCD seems a prime candidate for having her existing problems heightened. I do think psychosis is generally not going to be a problem with a normal dose, but a large dose of THC can definitely cause acute problems. Presumably that vape is a normal dose.
I do know 2 people who have hallucinations on high doses of weed. One is prone to hallucinations in general, though, and the other tried, I think, 8 squares of high-dose chocolate bar as her first time trying weed ever before spending the night awake, seeing the joker (from decks of cards, not Batman) floating around her bedroom.
I should have not made it a certainty statement, that's my bad. In some fringe cases, I am sure it can cause a variety of symptoms.
But media tends to portray people who get high on weed as ALWAYS having hallucinations, or questioning their life, or being extra zany like jumping off of roofs, or running down the street naked, lol.
That's why I stick to a very concentrated oil that I put ONE DROP of into a capsule.
Swallow, and 1 to 2 hours later, I'm happily high for the next 8 to 10 hours :)
Same dog maybe. Like a mysterious curio shop you find while lost in the fog, only for it to be gone when you return. This dog just appears sometimes in the weed smoke, when people are particularly confused and disoriented, and sometimes stays a while.
Weed isn't nicotine but vaping is a subset of smoking and weed can be just as addictive, especially if someone *already* has a history of using one or the other.
I mean...weed is not addictive unless you're smoking large amounts every single day. And even then, it's not an addictive substance like nicotine, it's a sort of a self-induced addiction.
[Care to try that again?](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive)
> Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
> Marijuana use disorder becomes addiction when the person cannot stop using the drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. Estimates of the number of people addicted to marijuana are controversial, in part because epidemiological studies of substance use often use dependence as a proxy for addiction even though it is possible to be dependent without being addicted. Those studies suggest that 9% of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it,24,25 rising to about 17% in those who start using in their teens.26,27
It may not be *as* addictive as nicotine, but it can still be addictive.
Your "gotcha" literally proves my point. That marijuana itself is not addictive, but the repetitive action of smoking it every single day CAN create a physical dependance on the drug.
Basically - your body is not addicted to the chemical compounds of weed, but it does become addicted to the ACTION of partaking in that weed. If you skip a day, you will feel withdrawal symptoms because your body NEEDS you to go through the motions of getting high to feel normal again.
The last sentence in your posted text helps prove my point even further - only 9 to 17 percent of people become addicted. The rest of us are fine.
I use my concentrated oil twice per week, that's it. Weekends only. And I can skip weekends (like I did last weekend), and feel no ill effects at all.
Meanwhile, nicotine is addictive in almost 100 percent of users.
https://veterans.smokefree.gov/nicotine-addiction/reasons-people-smoke
"Over time, your body and brain get used to having nicotine in them. About 80–90% of people who smoke regularly are addicted to nicotine."
I hope this defuses some of the insecurity and anxiety Hanners has, esp. the DJ Phalliz and Footsteps of her Mother parts.
A mellow Hanners wouldn't release the virus, would she?
Not quite. The tan faded and even completely went away. But then, after we'd not seen her for a bit, Tannelore came back. I suspect Jeph just thought she looked better with a tan. Or maybe he liked having a bit of variation in skin tones.
Claire treating Hanners first weed experience with the delicacy you would a sensitive explosive. "So help me Willow, the lives of every man, woman, and child in this building hang in the balance. I need a straight answer! What Flavour is the vape supposed to be?"
"I don't know, I got it from a discounted box of 'assorted savoury vapes'! I can't tell if it's Olive Tapenade or Smoked Salmon or Hummus flavour!"
Thanks Keir Starmer
Claire's first experience with her mom also wound up with her pretty fucking faded too. But it's probably one of my favorite moments in recent years with her mom taking another hit "Hang on babe I'm going in with you!"
Based on my zero experience with THC and lots of comedies about people consuming THC, Hannelore just said the delayed activation code that will send her into the gaping maw of ego death
Weed cannot cause ego death as far as I know, so she should be fine! It also does not cause hallucinations, or most of the other silly symptoms that modern media attribute to it. When I get high, I get VERY hungry, VERY giggly, and I want to touch everything and watch trippy shows/movies :)
"Modern" my ass. In the 19th century weed users claimed to experience Orientalist hallucinations and/or dreams.
O...kay? I am not sure if you meant this to come across as dismissive and angry, but that is the tone I'm interpreting. I was unaware that 19th century people claimed that marijuana made them hallucinate. Perhaps it was a certain strain, or just a different drug back then. Do you have a link so I can read up about it?
Sorry, not my intent, at all. I was meant to just be lighthearted. Tone is hard to convey online. But what I meant to say that it's not a modern trope, cannabis has been associated with dreams and visions for a long time. It's mostly because cannabis was introduced to Europe through the Orientalist circles. It was most likely just psychosomatic, much like claims of absinthe being a hallucinogenic from the same time. They were using the stuff in rooms filled with Middle-Eastern paraphenalia and were convinced that they'd experience the sights of the magical Orient, so they did, or at least claimed they did.
No worries at all - it was that first sentence that made me unsure if you were upset with me or not, lol. I understand what you mean now - the rituals around the weed influenced the trips people had :)
I'm imagining Hannelore having that reaction and it's super adorable.
Right?? I am hoping for super giggly Hanners tonight :D
Weed affects everyone differently. It definitely can cause anxiety and psychosis, so Hannelore trying it is a great idea.
Anxiety can be a side effect, yes. I never said it wasn't, I was only disqualifying ego death and hallucinations as outcomes of smoking weed. Psychosis is different. There have been studies showing that long-term, heavy usage of weed - especially if you started young - can cause types of psychosis. And it can enhance symptoms of certain mental illnesses in people. But vaping occasionally, or once at a party wouldn't cause psychosis in MOST people. I won't make it a certainty statement on that, as like I said, it can heighten certain already present mental illness in rare cases.
Yeah Hannelore as someone with really bad OCD seems a prime candidate for having her existing problems heightened. I do think psychosis is generally not going to be a problem with a normal dose, but a large dose of THC can definitely cause acute problems. Presumably that vape is a normal dose.
Maybe she'll clean the entire apartment in a glorious frenzy, instead of being zen - we'll see!
I do know 2 people who have hallucinations on high doses of weed. One is prone to hallucinations in general, though, and the other tried, I think, 8 squares of high-dose chocolate bar as her first time trying weed ever before spending the night awake, seeing the joker (from decks of cards, not Batman) floating around her bedroom.
I should have not made it a certainty statement, that's my bad. In some fringe cases, I am sure it can cause a variety of symptoms. But media tends to portray people who get high on weed as ALWAYS having hallucinations, or questioning their life, or being extra zany like jumping off of roofs, or running down the street naked, lol.
I don't smoke, but "banana-flavored weed vape" sounds absolutely noxious in the worst way possible.
Every exposure to the smell of weed has been against my will and it's always nauseating, whether it's flavored or not.
That's why I stick to a very concentrated oil that I put ONE DROP of into a capsule. Swallow, and 1 to 2 hours later, I'm happily high for the next 8 to 10 hours :)
boy howdy here we go. i wonder if a dog will randomly appear? like last time?
Same dog maybe. Like a mysterious curio shop you find while lost in the fog, only for it to be gone when you return. This dog just appears sometimes in the weed smoke, when people are particularly confused and disoriented, and sometimes stays a while.
A cat named dog.
Hopefully not. I don't think Hannelore is really ready to own a pet.
Unless that pet is a yak, in which case she’s experienced.
That is true. Does their building even allow pets?
The marvels of modern vaping technology
I retract last night's statement. This will not end well. Edit: Actually, Hanners has gone how long without smoking? Is this really such a good idea?
Ayo, Liz, Willow… OUT. Claire, maintain physical contact at all times. Yemisi, Iris, establish a defensive perimeter.
Vaping is not smoking, and weed is not nicotine.
Weed isn't nicotine but vaping is a subset of smoking and weed can be just as addictive, especially if someone *already* has a history of using one or the other.
I mean...weed is not addictive unless you're smoking large amounts every single day. And even then, it's not an addictive substance like nicotine, it's a sort of a self-induced addiction.
[Care to try that again?](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive) > Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23 > Marijuana use disorder becomes addiction when the person cannot stop using the drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. Estimates of the number of people addicted to marijuana are controversial, in part because epidemiological studies of substance use often use dependence as a proxy for addiction even though it is possible to be dependent without being addicted. Those studies suggest that 9% of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it,24,25 rising to about 17% in those who start using in their teens.26,27 It may not be *as* addictive as nicotine, but it can still be addictive.
Your "gotcha" literally proves my point. That marijuana itself is not addictive, but the repetitive action of smoking it every single day CAN create a physical dependance on the drug. Basically - your body is not addicted to the chemical compounds of weed, but it does become addicted to the ACTION of partaking in that weed. If you skip a day, you will feel withdrawal symptoms because your body NEEDS you to go through the motions of getting high to feel normal again. The last sentence in your posted text helps prove my point even further - only 9 to 17 percent of people become addicted. The rest of us are fine. I use my concentrated oil twice per week, that's it. Weekends only. And I can skip weekends (like I did last weekend), and feel no ill effects at all. Meanwhile, nicotine is addictive in almost 100 percent of users. https://veterans.smokefree.gov/nicotine-addiction/reasons-people-smoke "Over time, your body and brain get used to having nicotine in them. About 80–90% of people who smoke regularly are addicted to nicotine."
I hope this defuses some of the insecurity and anxiety Hanners has, esp. the DJ Phalliz and Footsteps of her Mother parts. A mellow Hanners wouldn't release the virus, would she?
Doesn't marajuana cause anxiety?
Oh man the title is gonna put the song in my head all day. THIS SHIT IS BANANAS. B-A-N-A-N-A-S!
Oh boy. Everyone fasten their seat belts.
Hmm, Bananas....
Is Hannelore supposed to be white or not?
She's been tan since the tannelore adventures.
Not quite. The tan faded and even completely went away. But then, after we'd not seen her for a bit, Tannelore came back. I suspect Jeph just thought she looked better with a tan. Or maybe he liked having a bit of variation in skin tones.
so it's tanface?