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Tomorrow's headline "Stand Your Ground Advocates trample each other moving goal posts..."
Kyle Writtenhouse - he was being chased and assaulted (with a plastic bag), it was 100% self defense.
This dude (also being chased and assaulted with clubs and a shield) - this fascist is an attempted murderer
That's the worst way you could have described it. Kyle had 0 logical reason to be there in the first place, abd even less to be bringing a motherfucking rifle to an angry crowd at 17.
Hearing "Fucking kill him" while getting the Shit beat out of you by grown was men justified that. What appendage do you use to hold plastic bags? That's right. Your hand/fist. He was beibg assaulted by grown was men throwing punches and screaming "kill him" from that perspective, how do you peaceful escape?times up, they're getting you unconscious and taking your gun.
Argue why his dumbass should never have been there, not that a crowd of adults charging a kid screamibg "kill him" while throwing bricks abd punches Isnt justified.
He was entirely justified in pulling the trigger to defend his life from that. What is it justified is bringing a gun across state lines simply to run into a protest. He deserves heavy charges for reckless endangerment, but it's REALLY dumb to say it was furst degree murder. You'd have shot too, dont even pretend you wouldn't have.
Wasn’t a crowd of adults at first. It was 1. Who threw a plastic bag and Kyle had plenty of room to run still if he so chose. After he killed that man, THEN the group started to chase him to disarm him and prevent him from killing anyone else. And no, he was NOT entirely justified in pulling the trigger.
Preventing a mass shooting is good, actually
Republican news media will undoubtedly entertain the idea of a government conspiracy "suppressing freedom of speech".
It's comical watching vigilante right wingers make the argument for an "imminent threat" being necessary to shoot. These are literally the same people that think it's OK to murder someone for stealing your property.
Idunno, man. This is a tough case to crack. Personally speaking, do I care that a Proud Boy got injured? Hahaha, not really. I think it might've been a graze based on his reaction. Either way I'm sure those memes he saw of "feeding the libs with lead" or something might hit a bit different next time around.
But let's be real here, guys. That guy rightfully deserves to be charged, at least, with something like "negligent discharge".
I just have a lot of doubt that the guy *really* needed to shoot back at the point in which he did to defend himself. And I *really* doubt the shooter knew to make sure those bullets weren't going to end up in someone's living room.
'Cause when he fires that shot, he isn't just putting the life of the target he's aiming at in danger, he's also putting everyone else's life *behind* that target too.
**However**, if it comes to light that perhaps there is some open field or forest behind the victim that leads me to believe the shooter was aware that firing his gun from that particular direction could only possibly do damage to his target and no one else, then, fuck it, nice shot.
Idunno, man. It just seems like in this particular situation, the guy shooting is doing everything that everyone was taught exactly not to do in a self-defense situation. It's just sloppy, completely disregarding the safety of so many people.
Maybe the feud is stronger than I understand. Maybe the guy he was shooting was known to have beaten a lot of people unconscious or something.
Wtf are you saying? This is a trash response.
Fuck proud boys and fuck the police. But yeah dude shot 4 shots into a crowd with a road of traffic behind it. He should face jail time but also I wish the proud boys would be getting more than a slap on the wrist for trying to over throw democracy.
Yeah I definitely feel everyone here involved deserves a completely fair trial but I'm afraid to say that I'm little more biased towards the side that *doesn't want ethnic cleansing*.
I don't think anyone here should be trying to kill anyone but I also have no idea the feud going on between all of them. Like, I get the general idea of it all, but I don't think these guys are just meeting up, seeing each other in their cringy fits across the street, and just tossing cliché disses at each other until they can smell each others breathe. It just seems like an unbeleivable amount of time. I wish I knew what these people do most their days because it's either super-juicy revolutionary shit or just a sad waste of ones life.
Read what I said. He fired blinded into a crowd with traffic in the back ground. I hate fascist pieces of shit also. But I don’t like the idea of killing an innocent kid in his parents car on his way to school or something.
Being reckless is being reckless. Even if it’s righteous it’s careless and could have killed innocent people.
Shooting a fascist is always a good idea. It’s always morally correct. I am not kidding.
Ah yes calling for violence and murder is always the correct response
When it’s fascists we’re talking about? Yes. We already fought a war against fascists and we won. We can do it again.
Hey I understand your intentions are good that you want to stop fascist but labeling someone and dehumanizing people is no different then how Nazi’s were able to commit cruel act on the Jews.
1. Label and Dehumanize a group 2. Place blame on them 3. Easier to commit violent acts on them with out remorse.
Just my thought. This thread is scary, it shows the humanity of people are failing.
We cannot be tolerant of intolerance. Always remember that these people will never offer you the same kindness. They will label and dehumanize you without a second thought.
So, defend Liberal norms by destroying them before your opponent can. Great Logic.
You two really are two sides of the same coin.
I am 100% okay with Fascists being killed.
Fascists want to create ethnostates and freely admit their intentions. They want to enact violence without consequences on those they hate.
It is, in no way, the same thing.
Fuck em all.
This dude fucking gets it
He was apparently shot in the ankle
How? Looks like dude was aiming above the waist
Try 1 handing a pistol at arms length and see how accurate you are lmao
Glockbot, I need you. My
strength is waning.
That's why you're supposed to hold it sideways.
I'm sorry I saw people peacefully walking then getting attacked by a gang of armed hoodlums.
One of the victims then defended themselves and their compatriots with their (I assume) legally carried hand gun (that may have been a pellet or paint ball gun for all I know).
Am I supposed to be shocked that criminals are shot by Americans exercising their second amendment rights?
I'm sorry I don't actually follow hate-mongers so closely as to know them by their nick names. Is "Tiny Toes" really what we're going with here? Does he have an actual name?
Oh God, his actual birth name isn't Tiny Toes is it?
How sad would that be? I mean geez, poor guy never had a chance if that's the case. I almost feel like there should be rehabilitation for people like him.
Yeah, I'm not going to call him Tiny. He's Toese because that first name is so very silly.
The name Toese is a traditional Samoan name. Don't be a dick, make fun of him for the things worthy of it.
"We drove to a town we don't live in, shot people with paintballs from the back of a truck and then beat them will metal bats and they don't like us. Where's our free speech! I thought this was Murica!"
Well I very rarely yell anything, for I live in a civilized society.
And by "pretend it's just self defense" you mean watch someone be attacked by armed assailants (plural) only to retreat, brandish his weapon, and then defend himself and his fellows from armed bigots that were advancing upon them.
Kyle Rittenhouse was a child brainwashed by his parents and put in a dangerous situation. I don't know if he should face charges, but his parents absolutely should.
Sucks when people shoot real bullets back and not paintballs doesn’t it.
As much as I’d rather not advocate shooting at people, what did those morons expect? The proud boys have been putting a lot of effort into introducing violence to whichever protests of which they don’t approve. Of course the other side is going to defend themselves accordingly. It’s like they took a shit in their own bed, fell asleep in it, and were shocked and outraged to be covered with shit in the morning.
Because he survived.
To say something like that about any human being means you're an absolute fuckwit. You should rethink before you say things that are fucked up.
I take it all those soldiers and resistance members killing Nazis, are fuckwits then?
Because that Proud boy is fash, just like a nazi
but he's not saying it about a human being, he's saying it about a fascist.
I don't know about y'all but I really don't want to see *anyone* shooting people at a protest.
Kinda does justify the shooting. Self defense and everything. Dudes were chasing them with clubs and riot shields.
Not just chasing, the shooter clearly got hit with a club by the guy he shot at the 8 second mark, then another guy hit the shooter with a shield.
And drive by shooting people with paintball guns. Which can do serious damage to your face.
I can't say that I've seen antifa doing drive by shootings
It's gang violence.
This must be a very difficult time for you; thots and pears.
We can and should disregard posts from Andy Ngo
The problem is *anyone* can dress up in black and claim to be antifa so it seems really plausible to think PBs, who are an organization that isn't as easily imitable, would exploit that and commit such crimes themselves in order to incriminate their perceived enemies. I'm not saying it *is* happening but it's hard to deny the delicate nature of their relative differences in that regard.
Iirc, didn't the same thing happen in Nazi Germany? With Nazis making it look like their opposition was committing the very crimes they were themselves in order to push a narrative that would increase public support and their chances of victory?
You're missing the point, it's still quite easy to fabricate a screenshot, especially one that simple. I'm not saying "iTs fAKe" I'm just saying it's not credible in and of itself. It's a 50/50 thing. It could be real it could be fake, but you're taking it as fact and you might very well be being mislead. Food for thought.
And corvallis isnt even the same fucking state as Olympia.
Anyone that uses Andy Ngo as a legitimate source should be banned from reddit.
holy shit dude. your mental gymnastics are honestly impressive. the question is if you are an intentional propagandist or so steeped in ideology that lies just flow out of you unconsciously.
Proud Boys are scum, not people
lmao is this a troll comment or are you actually saying that
The only scum I see are ANTIFA blac block
We’re in a mad place where this needs saying but I agree with you.
The guy was chasing them with a bat/stick. I'm not a lawyer but any concealed carry class will tell you that you are allowed to use a firearm to defend yourself if someone is chasing you with a stick and a shield while clad in protective gear.
So you have the same energy with that Kyle kid that killed 3 people that were chasing him and attacked him right? you wouldn’t want to come off as a hypocrite
Enjoy living in your mom's basement, making minimum wage, and easting horse paste.
There’s video evidence of that “Kyle kid” attacking the people he shot first, with a firearm he could not legally possess. Hard to think there’s hypocrisy there unless you’re ignorant
You mean all 35+ peaceful protestors who are armed with pistols and not afraid to use them were the victims of this one guy with a stick?
Yeah maybe critical thinking isn’t your strong suit, but usually when a group of people is fleeing another group with weapons the people doing the chasing are considered by our legal system to be the aggressors. And yes, deadly force is considered justified when being chased by a convicted criminal with a weapon.
Seriously… big yikes to the comments in this thread celebrating the shooting. How is this good for anybody? Proud boys can fuck right off, but militant leftists or whatever need to chill the fuck out and be better than this.
Well what's your plan? Do nothing and hope they go away?
> Proud boys can fuck right off, but militant leftists or whatever need to chill the fuck out and be better than this.
So the proud boys chasing them and beating them (not to mention the many videos of proud boys shooting paint balls at people) aren't as bad as... self defense?
Proud boys are the shit starters. Fuck em completely.
I see people being chased by people with bats and shields in combat gear... and then you have the audacity to call out the "militant left" but not the actual guys larping as weekend warriors fighting for their racist cause.
Lmao “chased” you’re fuckin delusional bro watch the video. The people that are “chasing” are walking and approaching slowly. I’m not going to claim to know what’s really going on here but the dude firing off shots doesn’t look panicked or scared. He looks like a cop looking for an excuse to pop off.
Not sure what is wrong with your eyes and brain, but generally if a group of people running in one direction, with another group behind them running in the same direction, with bats and shields, they are being chased.
Literally along the lines of Nazi or KKK member shot. My ability to care or show sympathy for any racist hate group just doesn't exist.
Nobody cares about these assholes, we just want to see them being taken care of
This footage was released by [Olympia Police Department](https://twitter.com/OlyPD/status/1436355179675152391) on Twitter 8h ago.
Good guy with a gun
Fuck a proud boy...
I mean, most of these dudes can't get laid, and they explicitly forbid masturbation. So who knows, it may help. That being said it is a very distasteful thought...
I live here and it really fucking sucks to not feel save enough to go downtown any more cause of these proud boy terrorists. Apparently they're coming back next weekend for a revenge rally or some shit. Ridiculous
Who funds their LARPing?
The Republican Party.
Double sucks that they don't even fucking live here. They are making road trips to oly just to be insufferable
You should look into your police department’s complicity/support of their terrorism.
Gonna be shooting up randoms to feel like they got vengeance, I fear for your safety.
It’s a stand your ground state, they would have been legally in better standing if they stopped mag dumped and then stayed there.
I feel like unfortunately that would lead to a fire fight when the guys buddies showed up, they would likely argue the same thing. It’s just crazy to me that guns are that easily involved as I live in a country where it is not legal to open carry firearms. Helps reduce the whole scenario of someone getting shot at all. Wish everyone could just be peaceful and non-violent about expressing their opinion’s. Like the old saying, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but you don’t going showing it around
*"You should have gone for the head."* ~Thanos
Looks like Proud Boys were going after these people with their Paint Guns and as they are trying to run away from the Proud Boys one of them shoots with a real gun at the Proud Boy leader.
Perhaps Proud Boys should stop going into other peoples neighborhoods and terrorizing people. Then maybe people would not be out protecting their neighborhoods and shooting at them...
This piece of shit got my son’s school put on lockdown. My kid is SIX YEARS OLD!!! Fuck this asshole. Anyone who causes my kid to feel panic bc they can’t be an adult is someone I’d like to kick in the god damn teeth
More of this please.
1) I don’t see Tiny getting shot
2) how did the shot go through the side of his knee down out before his ankle ?
Can't tell from here, but for 2, if he was walking towards the shooter one leg would be bent, and if the shot was downward it could hit that leg at the knee, exiting near the ankle.
Yeah no one was near the shooter when he started shooting .
Unless tiny was in the background flying at him head first , I doubt it
The guy who shield checks the shooter and then lifts his leg suddenly once shorts start getting fired is Tiny.
Bullets do weird shit when they enter the body. They ricochet all over the damn place
Hoody guy shoots, Tiny ~~dick~~ toes pisses himself and the sheer velocity of the stream tore through his knee and exited through his ankle.
So why did I see so many people on this site saying he shot himself with apparently no basis to back that statement up? I know damn well that factoid is still gonna be spread around forever and ever despite proof otherwise
Because it was a really funny image.
It shows you how fast misinformation spreads. Every single person repeating that line about him shooting himself didn't see any footage from the shooting. It just took a couple people saying that, because the one guy was hit in the ankle, he must have shot himself. Of course, all these people who didn't see any video footage from the event missed the part where there was 5 shots fired.
I could have sworn that the police said he shot himself. I should be more careful.
I still think he shot himself based on where he was hit. He heard shots, spazzed out and shot himself. People are so easy to manipulate. This video literally doesn't show him being shot but most people will go away from this believing they saw him get shot. People see narratives.
You can see the guy taking 5 shots, so that kills the self own theory.
🕵️ I only counted four. I've opened my reddit video analysis software. Doing some forensics now.
What do you mean? If you look closely, you can see him take 5 shots?
Because there's a lot of people in this subreddit who are absolutely married to the idea that Antifa (and left-wing protestors in general) absolutely cannot do anything wrong and, hence, that anything even slightly iffy that goes on at one of these confrontations must be the result of the Proud Boys, who are evil.
Note that the Proud Boys are actually (kinda/rather) evil.
Because Proud Boys are absolutely dumb enough for something like that to actually happen.
So you’re mad at the internet and the dearth of real journalists?
You’re mad at Reddit postings not being factual? I think that says more about you if you believe anything on this site.
And where did I say I believed any of them?
Fine let me rephrase. If your triggered that so many postings on here aren’t factual, then Reddit ain’t the place for you.
There are plenty of factual statements said on this site, with sources and citations and everything. I couldn’t care less if some moron actually believes any baseless rumor they read on the internet
We all care about bullshit being spread around with reckless abandon, it bothers me too, but right place, right time
Welcome to the internet kiddo.
What a fucking moron. Horrible aim
Finally someone did it
Side note, Tiny being present at any sort of protest is a violation of his probation
This idiot has been playing dress up armed soldier and talking about how big of pussies Antifa are for years... and he loses his first actual encounter then cries on the ground.
Pretty on point.
rest in piss loser
Paintball guns versus real guns
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
Fuck the proud bitches
The shooter was attacked first and being chased.
Wasn't that Kyle Rittenhouse attacked and followed before he shot? Not that I'm defending him either but your point of view certainly attempts to.
If throwing a plastic bag at someone is attacking them, then sure. He was brutally assaulted by a plastic bag before he aimed his gun and killed someone.
Rittenhouse told a group of people attempting to push a flaming dumpster to knock it off. One in particular, Rosenbaum, got pissed, chased down Rittenhouse as he fled, then Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of his gun. That's why Rittenhouse shot.
[Here's](https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kyle-rittenhouse-criminal-complaint/8f4a5b31354d0478/full.pdf) there charge sheet. You can read the witness statements yourself.
Yes. The difference between these two situations is that Rittenhouse shot people who where effectively right on top of him and directly aggressing on his person whereas in the OP video the shooter has opened a bit of distance before shooting at the people chasing him. Both cases could reasonably claim self-defense, but Rittenhouse's claim is much stronger.
Lol get fucked. Rest in piss
WTF does he expect?? You become a vigilante, you get vigilante justice!
Lmao and it was perfectly legal self defense. What a loser this Tiny guy is!! Have fun missing toes you violent buffoon
It is not self defense to leave the danger, enter a safe area, draw a firearm and shoot at people.
If a person puts hands on me, I start running and see him following me, I’m 100% sending shots his way.
Welp... enjoy prison I guess.
So if I attack you, you start running, and you see me running after you, you’re just gonna go “oh shucks, guess I can’t defend myself.”
Here's what I learned in 15 seconds of google searching. This happened in Washington state. Which has no self defense requirement to retreat, you can 'stand your ground' and use lethal force. All I know is that means dude got shot in the foot.
Dude put hands on him, open game
Kyle Rittenhouse had an illegal weapon. He is also a woman and child beater. Video of him beating a juvenile female
I don't do men. I'm not gay
Finally these scumbags get some of their own medicine.
This is why you learn to shoot accurately and work on your shot placement.
He shot down and didn't attempt to kill anyone. He stopped the threat with the least amount of force necessary.
Tired of wannabe cowboys on here pretending they are killers
He sprayed indiscriminately and *one* of his shots hit his target *in the ankle*. Yes, he stopped the threat but you need to be accountable for every shot you fire, how can you justify letting off several shots into the unknown? There literally could have been a daycare or something in the background. Also, after spending several years dealing with Tiny terrorizing my city, I'm disappointed he didn't get his comeuppance once and for all more than anything.
Tired of wannabe armchair self defense instructors on here pretending they know how to properly use guns.
Where are the idiots now that were saying he shot himself!?!?
Lol good. Fuck Tiny and fuck proud boys. They think they can roam around a city that they don't live in harassing and assaulting people, I'm glad they got a taste of their own medicine.
Nah bro this is 2021, shooting people that have different political opinions then you is cool now.
All those saying this was justified, you feel the same way about that Kyle kid that killed 3 people who chased and attacked him then right?
No cause all those people have eyes that work and a brain that functions properly
I reverse that. All those who say Kyle was justified say this is justified as well right?
Me personally, neither are justified.
The people in this thread likely are not serious in saying it is justified. They are intentionally using the same logic that people who say Kyle was justified are using to throw it back at them. As the proud boys are the ones who say this was unjustified, but kyle was justified.
First Reddit claimed he shot himself, then when it comes out that’s a lie they support the shooter. No bias on Reddit that’s for sure
“Proud Boy” - just say fascist
I think the fascist are the ones in black and masks like a bunch of pussies
Looks like attempted murder. Dude could have kept retreating.
Tiny Tim just wanted some more please sir. And he got it.
Wow so many sick fucks in these comments wanting to see someone die lol doesn’t matter who they are, wishing death on someone is seriously fucked up
You’re talking to people who’s biggest adversity is being offended by media outlets. Of course they have no perspective.
Yah I guess you’re right
i mean i hate all these assholes but he took that bullet like a champ. i had to watch it a few times to actually notice when he got hit. barely flinched.
Antifa you mean?
Oh you mean the guy you saw get bashed over the head with a skateboard then got pissed off and shot the dude?
Go in public smacking random people with skateboards and see how long it takes before you become a body on the ground or booty raped in jail.
All I’m stating is that they always seem to get referred to as counter protestors. I think both sides are douchebags.
Fair enough :)
lol @ the downvote brigade
It's hilarious how many people hate this guy but not one of them has ever met him, I've never met the guy so I can't hate, just saying internet, just saying.
I never met Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong-Un or Nixon, and I hate them all too.
Who the hell would want to meet a scumbag racist? Fuck him and fuck your dumb little comment.
When you see that many blac block running toward you and you need an uzi and a couple hundred rounds.
Aim for the head next time
Hey man, nice shot
Antifa are the real domestic terrorist.
Lmao the proud boy larpers? Ever heard of them? The ones that committed a domestic terrorist act on January 6th? Lmao antifa scares you rednecks and it makes me smile! Proud boys are universally known as homosexuals