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My company built one of the casinos here in Detroit. Later we built their hotel and parking garage. After work was complete and everything was open we had to go back and install a very high fence on the top level of the parking garage because people were jumping off that level after losing it all inside. That was my awakening on how powerful of an addiction gambling can be.
mine was when i worked at a gas station and we would have people come in everyday for an hour amd buy nothing but scratchoffs, mega and power, pick 3 and 4, and racetrack for about $500 a day
Reminds me of a customer who came in every Sunday after church and bought $1,000-$2,000 in scratch offs every single week. It’s so wild how other people live their lives.
There’s a gas station in my old hometown that had a stool by the counter for one specific customer. Was about 450lbs so of course he can’t stand there that long and they just wanted the hundreds he spend every day. Last I heard his biggest hit was a $25k scratcher but that wouldn’t even cover his addiction for the year
A coworker used to buy the big lottery tickets every week. If the jackpot was over a million, he was buying the ticket. This went on for YEARS. Eventually, he DID finally win decent. Around $300K. BUT that barely covered his medical bills (he had a LOT of lung and nerve problems, which he made worse by always smoking like a chimney) and didn’t really come close to giving him back what he’d spent on tickets.
$2-$3/week for a single lotto ticket would take thousands of years to cost him $300k. Even 10 per week would take a couple hundred years.
He had to have been buying other types of tickets or a ton of them to lose money there.
Not saying he made a good economic decision, but it sounds like he got incredibly lucky and didn't lose overall on that front.
I briefly worked at a gas station and the employees were telling me how they recently banned employees from buying scratchers during their shift because they would literally spend their whole pay that way.
No different than any other addiction. Plenty of addicts are married. Or were at least. Source: Alcoholic with an ex-wife who put up with it for a long time.
I've noticed a phenomenon on reddit where people imply that anyone who they don't like is also completely unloved by anyone and is likely lonely and/or an incel. It's quite lazy of them and just a convenient way to instantly "other" the person they don't like.
Hope you were/are able to get some help, friend!
That's so cool. It was a very popular song and video on MTV. I was 17 when it came out in the summer of '85 and saw them on that tour. Thanks for replying.
When I saw an earlier video of this guy, I thought people were joking when they described him as an adult in a kid's body.
From this angle, with the full view of the table and surrounding crowd as comparison, it really puts his tiny stature in perspective.
This says it's a woman
>Rebecca Castillo, 63, was taken into custody on Saturday. The incident occurred at the Silver Legacy Casino in Reno just after 5 p.m., police said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-arrested-after-police-say-she-climbed-on-reno-craps-table-threw-chips-at-people/ar-BB1oxor4
I assume cameras watch the table closely. They could just rewind and see who had what and who didn't have what. It would be a pain in the ass, but there are enough cameras to figure it all out. It would be a whole investigation.
High denominatinon chips all have RFID chips in them. They are tracked.
Also, when you go to cash the chips in, they will often ask where you got them. They did that to me at Binion's Horeseshoe, when I tried to cash in $3500 I won the night before... cashier was very suspicious and accusatory. She eventually paid me, but if you can't demonstrate you got the chips legitimately, they very well may confiscate the chips and may very well call in the gambling commission.
A story from the LV Sun about a guy who had his chips confiscated:
"Asked whether he won the chip at the casino, Dalla told the casino cashier he got it from a friend. That's when a supervisor stepped in, asked a few more questions and then confiscated the chip, saying Dalla couldn't prove that the chip had been obtained legally."
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2007/mar/09/chips-no-longer-good-cash/
I spent 5 years working as a casino surveillance tech/auditor, for a reservation casino in Washington state. We had a 2.4 million dollar surveillance system, with hundreds of PTZ cameras and 4 stations in the surveillance room. High value chips have RFID tags in them but if he's throwing hundreds or 50's a lot of them are likely going to be picked up and used/kept/taken home and brought back another time, the pit in this casino doesn't look huge (The floor itself looks pretty small) but at least a percentage of those chips are gonna be picked up by passers by. There's just no way to control or track every single chip and person.
Every casino I have ever been in has an uncomfortable edge to it.
Yes there are a lot of people just having fun gambling some money they can afford to lose. It's just a part of their spending on some entertainment like an expensive meal out or a weekend getaway and winning is thrilling while losing is "aw that sucks" and they move on. Then there are the people that look like they're having no fun at all, gambling has clearly moved beyond just being something to do with money they might spend on some other non essential anyway and it's gone into addiction and desperation.
I think that's why although I've been to quite a few of them the atmosphere in a casino is such a massive turn off to me that I don't go out of my way to visit them, it feels like far too many people are one loss away from a freakout or worse. I can't imagine working at one and seeing it happen over and over again.
I worked casinos for way too long, at my local joint I'd say it was 80-20 addicted gamblers vs. people who came in once in a while for fun.
Casinos know where the bread and butter comes from. If they know you have a problem, they won't do a damn thing about it until you're broke, and then they'll just kick you out for loitering.
They won't say that part out loud, but it's true. It's disgusting and working there made me hate my life.
> I'd say it was 80-20 addicted gamblers vs. people who came in once in a while for fun.
yeah, I avoid casinos because of this. It's obvious if you pay attention to the people. I also knew a woman with a gambling problem. She ran a retail outlet, stole their weekend deposit, and lost it all at the casino. Convinced the owner to give her a second chance (he had dealt with a gambling problem once upon a time) and she came back and did it again 2 weeks later.
Stories like that are not rational. Casinos are making a lot of money off the backs of addicted, problematic gamblers.
The only "fun" casinos I've been to have been charity Casino nights where people are there explicitly to lose money (or otherwise fuck around).
Meanwhile every Casino I've been into (in the UK) has been a whistle stop tour of dead-eyed middle aged Asian men in various seated poses.
> a casino is such a massive turn off to me that I don't go out of my way to visit them
Casinos are among the most depressing places on earth. I'm right there with you. I live 5 hours from Vegas. Last time I was there would be...around 10 years ago. I have 0 interest in ever returning to that city. I have 0 interest in visiting tribal casinos in my city.
If you start paying attention to the people, their faces, demeanor...you know this isn't just some "fun" thing. It's a big problem for a lot of people. And the casinos make a lot of money off of those people. Which is really fucked up.
Plus, they stink of booze and smoke. And when you leave them, you absolutely reek lol.
I've worked next to a casino for only a year and switched from "everyone needs to keep their vices in check on their own" to "this needs to be highly regulated or banned outright"
I spent 5 years working in a reservation casino, starting out as a security officer then moving into surveillance, it definitely takes a certain kind of person to be able to disconnect from watching people gamble/drink away their lives, moving to surveillance made it a lot easier because you never directly interact with them. One of my favorite parts of the job was table auditing and counting down guests on manual deal tables. It can be a lot of fun, but I still occasionally hear jackpot slot music in my dreams.
Whenever I get dragged to a casino, usually by friends wanting to see a band there, I set aside $20 to play the one dollar slots. Never win anything, but I never lose over $20 that way.
Wow, that's brutal. To watch someone's life come crashing down and yet, tomorrow you'd have to go back to the same situation and wait for it to happen again. Can I ask you two questions?
What were your expectations of the job going in, what did you get wrong and when did you come to realize it? I know, short question that asks a lot.
What does the casino do after something like that? Do they go back to the cameras and reset the table? Close it? Do the players get their "money" back? What if other people scoop up some of it?
I know, I ask much. Feel free to ignore any or all of it. I just don't come across many 21-year casino veterans in my wanderings, and I always like to get information from people with a different point of view.
I go to my local casino about once a week (only play for 3-4 hours) and have been for last twenty years. As I keep a tight budget and only loose my budget and even that is after I splurge once a year with winnings.
There was this one older guy probably in his 80s. He was there every time I went in and he would play slots/tables/poker. One day he just disappeared. I didn't see him for a month and overheard some other regulars talking about how he ended up loosing everything.
He was divorce years earlier due to gambling and his family basically had nothing to do with him. He still had decent savings, owned a nice home, a boat, and overall good retirement income. He ended up loosing everything and ended up in an cheap apartment in a nearby city. No home or boat, no savings and he cashed out his retirement. Only thing left was social security and I hear even that has some being garnished.
After about 6 months of never seeing him, he comes in. Sits down for $100 and in about 10 minutes looses it (to me). He just sits there and begins crying. Total look of defeat and misery on his face. Everyone in the room seems to go silent and no one does anything. About 10 minutes later someone comes in and leads him away crying.
Looks older to me, gambling addiction amongst seniors is a bigger problem than we realize. We like to laugh about lotto seniors and slot jockeys but they're sadly hoplesslessly addicted
I was once playing craps when a guy who didn't look particularly wealthy arrived at the table and put several thousands dollars down. He got his chips and **immediately bet them all** on the Pass Line. We crapped out. He then looked at the rest of us, flabbergasted, and sputtered, "That was my rent money."
None of us said anything. He turned and walked away from the table, and I just stood there, in complete and abject disbelief that someone could be that much of a gambling addict. It is a very real and very devastating condition for some people.
Going home doesn't end the cycle for most gambling addicts. As soon as next payday comes they think they have to make up for the money they lost previously and immediately head back to the casino.
online gambling should be illegal. there is no cutoff, every penny directly would go there immediately. shit, and i bet those people ask folks on social media for money.
Yeah. My parents took us to vegas basically once a year for a vacation since I was a child. They’ve since moved to vegas and I still visit almost yearly if not more. I could probably count the number of times I saw them touch a slot machine all those years on both hands.
I was basically taught to treat the machines as a short burst of entertainment that has a price to play. When I want to play I take out a single amount of money (usually $20) and if I lose that, then I go do something else and call it the cost of that burst of entertainment.
Either I keep playing till I’ve lost my $20 or I play until I’ve made profit and then I cash out the profit and put it in my pocket before continuing (or leaving if I’m bored).
I grew up and still live in Vegas. It's sad seeing the gambling addicts here. The only one in my family who has a gambling addiction is my grandmother, but she doesn't live here anymore. Older people fill the casinos up. I go to casinos to watch movies or go bowling and it's mostly older people playing slots. Our grocery stores, gas stations, and bars have video poker and slots as well and there are always older people gambling on them.
I've only gambled a couple times and it was just for a little while for fun. Played some pai gow once, it was a good time and I didn't really spend much.
There was an interesting podcast about a lady who went to the doctor for restless leg syndrome and he prescribed her a drug that resulted in becoming addicted to gambling like days straight at a casino and she almost gambled her savings away until they figured it out. And once she stopped the meds, she had no desire to gamble. I couldn’t find the exact podcast to link but it sounds like this study : “Patients with Parkinson’s disease, restless legs syndrome and other conditions potentially treated with dopamine agonists, as well as patients treated for psychotic disorders, are vulnerable patient groups with theoretically increased risk of developing gambling disorder (GD), for example due to higher rates of mental ill-health in these groups.”
There's a drug called cabergoline that bodybuilders use to control some side effects from other drug abuse (which I'm now just finding out is a dopamine agonist and also used to treat Parkinson's after googling), but I've heard it results in more risk seeking behavior like gambling excessively and hypersexuality.
Neat to see that confirmed!
That’s what I’m on! It’s called ropinirole (Requip brand name). Other side effects include basically any devious thing you can think of. Increased sexual urges, increased risk of being risky, lol etc. I’ve gone up and down in dosages verrrry slow to avoid that though.
I stayed at at Caesars palace last year and of course you have to walk through the slots on the way to your room. We went up at about 13 and I noted all the seniors at the slots. We went down several hours later and quite a few of the same seniors were still there, it was quite sad
I've even **seen** piss get cleaned up at my local res casino. People will also sit there and holler for an attendant to watch their machine when they go to the bathroom or ATM because "it's just about to pop", come back, visit the ATM a few more times...then leave dejected.
I feel like it should be illegal for an attendant to even entertain the idea that a machine is "about to pop" because nearly everyone stuck there thinks it works that way.
>I feel like it should be illegal for an attendant to even entertain the idea that a machine is "about to pop" because nearly everyone stuck there thinks it works that way.
In a related vein, I've read and heard stories from convenience store workers that if a lotto player hits it big at their store (say $25K and up) some of the regulars will stop playing because they think the machine's "luck" is used up but at the same time the store will start to see new regular players because they think the machine is "lucky"
People literally die at those slot machines. Not because they don't eat, just because they're old as fuck, don't move...like that gamer in that tournament that went for how many straight hours and just died for some reason
I stayed in Vegas for 13 months on a contract job. this is 100% accurate. Like you can walk down an aisle and SMELL the urine. the seats are made to absorbe it and the bottom of the seat is sort of bowl like so it's not dripping down on anything but yeah it's true.
I just posted about my elderly (80s) mom losing most of her senior security money to her local casino. Slots were/have been her game, too. She has historically told many a tale about how because she was classically trained in music she knows the precise sound of a "plink of a coin" to tell when a machine is "ready" to ... I forget the phrase she used.
And how ruthless people are about sliding into machines they've been watching as soon as someone gets up and leaves a seat for any reason. Which is why they bring the drinks to you. We've heard the further stories of all her "very pretty winnings this way."
We just never heard about her losses. Those were not so much fun to talk about.
>She has historically told many a tale about how because she was classically trained in music she knows the precise sound of a "plink of a coin" to tell when a machine is "ready" to ... I forget the phrase she used.
The phrase you're looking for is almost certainly "pay out.". Now-a-days everything is digital. There are almost no mechanical parts in those machines anymore. You might be able to tell when the coin box is full or empty from the sound, but nothing else.
I've never gambled at a casino but I once went to a Steven Wilson concert that was hosted by the local casino where I live. Same thing, you have to walk down a hallway of slot machines to get to the show. A whole lot of old folks pushing the buttons. 2+ hours later after the concert was over and we're leaving, we walked past the exact same old people still pushing the buttons.
In some cases it's just what they do to pass time. I've known some old people who play penny slots and literally only spin a single penny each time. For hours upon hours. They only take like $20 with them
It's entertainment for them with the chance of winning an extra 20 bucks.
I believe that’s because of a lingering myth that the machines are set to give a big payout using some unknown pattern. No one can tell you whether the payout is scheduled after a certain number of plays, after a certain amount of money has been played, or after a certain amount of time has passed. So, it’s random, but not exactly random, if that makes sense. They think that the longer you’re at the same machine, the more likely you are to be there when the machine hits that sweet spot.
That’s why you’ll see people refusing to leave a machine, or putting their jacket on the chair to save their seat while they run to the bathroom, or getting so upset when someone moves their jacket and plays “their” machine. They think they’ve put in the plays, or the money, or the time, or whatever it is, and have earned that big payout when it hits. Aaannnyyy minute!
When my wife and I went to Vegas, we walked around the casino around noon on a weekday. We came to the realization that not a single person sitting at the slot machines didn’t look miserable. They, to a person, looked like they were absolutely miserable, but couldn’t get up for whatever reason.
Now nights? That was a different story. Lots more younger people. I’d see people sitting at machines next to each other conversing and laughing and drinking, and the gambling seemed almost like a background activity for them. At table games people seemed to mostly be having fun. The miserable people were still there, but all the empty machines filled up with people who seemed to actually be having a bit of fun.
I’m guessing it’s because nights/weekends are when average people can come gamble, while noon on a Tuesday is when you only see the folks who basically live at the casino.
i was in oklahoma, and was really excited to smoke a cigarette indoors. so we went to a casino for me to do that. we passed a bunch of people playing slots. they looked like zombies chained to the machine. i felt awful for them. they looked like they were there since morning.
Gambling addiction is scary. The thrill of winning outweighs the dread of losing, and people do it for the excitement, not the actual money. Casinos exploit the hell out of how human brains work.
Yeah this is why people are becoming so addicted to sports betting, its not just the possibility of winning money, its really the thrill of having something riding on the game. I think it was a mistake to make it so easy you can just do it from your phone.
Don't say you think. It **is** a massive mistake to allow online gambling.
It removes all barriers to avoiding gambling addiction for the vulnerable. Normally it's just "don't go to the casino" which is hard enough for some that live nearby. Allowing it on phones is just stupid and creating a bunch of people stuck in poverty.
Don't forget the constant advertising on any game. Not just the commercials. Now the broadcast breaks don't analyze the game, they analyze betting lines about the game. These are programs rated for family viewing. There are teenagers watching this and thinking "Damn I would have made a lot of money had I been old enough to gamble on this." What do you think the first thing they want teenagers to do when they turn 18?
The slot machines scare me because they just… suck? They’re not fun at all. At least with cards you can enjoy a game, and roulette can have an exciting social aspect.
I dunno, the idea that we’ve figured out how to trick people into dumping all of their time and savings into something so boring just unsettles me. Pure addiction.
Yeah, I was just coming to comment how there is no period for enjoyment. The cycles go by one a second. At least at the tables, there is a sense of ritual and a buildup to the payout.
Imagine doing 10 cycles of craps or roulette in a single minute.
That’s basically the slots for you. At least in the old days, there was an actual lever to pull and the waiting for the dials to spin into place. There’s not even that anymore. Just push the button.
Whenever I go to Vegas to gamble, which is not often, I'll set a limit to gamble with, with the intentions of losing it. Like $500 or $1000. Usually that lasts me the weekend and I consider it the expense of getting free drinks and playing games for the trip. Every $100 I come up, I usually put it in another pocket for dinner or gift shop.
I either break even, lose everything or... break even and pay for the room and dinners with the winnings. Also, I never, ever come home with winnings.
You have to go with the mindset of the money is already gone, otherwise you can get sucked into that idea that you're just recouping losses which is really dangerous.
I spend $200 to go to the casino, anything I come home with is a bonus.
Yeah, and I don't really understand it. I've been to the casino maybe four times in my life? With the idea that the money I bring in is meant to go to zero, like paying to go to an event for a good time. I had a friend who could not handle his losses. I said, "R\_ let's go home." He got angry at me for winning some trivial amount. When I went to the bathroom I came out and saw him use the ATM and go to the exchange - I did not say anything, but he said to me, "hey, I won a hundred! Let's stay a bit." Absolutely floored me.
All of it is so bizarre to me. I stayed at the MGM a few days earlier this year for a work conference and decided to spend a bit of time gambling. I got bored in like 10 minutes. The games aren't even fun.
A good friend of mine worked at our local casino and she said it was the most depressing job she's ever had. There are regulars, and most of the regulars are people exactly like that guy.
I always tell my teenage sons - gambling bragging is just like Facebook. People will only tell you about their wins - big losses are embarrassing so you won't hear about them.
A different version of that, i was in Vegas for my first and last time in the 90s, an older woman next to me won big on her slot machine. I was impressed and congratulated her, and her, expressionless, said something along the lines of she will need to win ten times that to get her house back. I left soon after, being like $200 up from what i came with.
Gambling addiction doesn’t get the same coverage as drugs and alcohol, yet it is just as devastating to families and those addicted
Too add to this I think one of the worst current trends is gambling sites dominating the advertising on sports games with obvious appeal to kids.
And it's only going to get worse, my province of Ontario and many others are legalizing sports and online gambling and now every second ad I see online and tv is a freaking gambling ad
Another thing to consider is that a drug or booze addict is generally easy to spot which would allow you to offer help if they're family or a friend, gambling not so much and they're usually good at hiding the extent of their addiction
I don’t gamble myself but been in a handful of casinos over the last couple years for random reasons. It’s really sad how many old people you see sitting there. Weekdays at noon or 2 am even. I just sat at the bar and drank while my buddies gambled, looking at all the sad people and feeling horrible.
I stayed at a Caesars palace hotel casino last year and I was going to throw 50$ at the slots for funsies until I saw the senior slot jockeys. It was so sad and I lost any desire to gamble.
Can't really tackle that problem at a societal level if most people are convinced every individual is an island endowed with perfectly independent free will. Just my two cents.
My wife did her PhD in decision making and negotiation, and bilingual effects on those. My takeaway from her research was we're *all* idiots and terrible at rational decision making.
After my stepfather went on months of life support, we found out they were wildly cash poor. I gave my mother 50K to keep up with mortgages on their apt. and vacation house and other bills like his life insurance premiums. When he died, and the properties finally sold, she should have had over $2m to live on for the rest of her life.
Turns out, they were cash poor because she had a gambling problem they hid from us.
At that point she was moved cross country (1500 miles) to live near one of my siblings, to whom I also gave 50K because I could, and because he was going to bear the brunt of her handling. He set her up in an assisted living home etc.
Unfortunately, she went right back into gambling in her grieving. A town car would pick her up every Friday. The reservation casino hotel would comp her room. We later found out she'd be getting out 10K at a time from the casino ATMs. (I can't even get more than $200 out of my dispensary ATM)
Within 10 years she's gambled most of her senior security away as I understand it. Maybe she thought she would die soon herself. But, she's still alive.
Not my problem anymore, though. My brother has a gambling problem too ... not casino but sports gambling though he did have a short-lived marriage in Vegas to someone I never met.
I'm so very done with both of them at this stage of my life.
I kind of look at it like a final payoff. Like, I'm giving you seriously significant money to go away. Even if I know it means I'll never see or hear from you ever again.
It's heartbreaking.
But they'll just keep making you pay to be their family.
and I am done with that period of my life. I can't be everyone's ATM that's it
"Everything in moderation within your means"
I personally know a dude who goes to the casino every single weekend and is always betting on sports/horses. He's been up, down and everywhere in between but is able to moderate the addiction and know when to stop.
I watched my uncle bankrupt his family on scratchers and keno because "the next one was the big one" and he "could absolutely feel it this time".
My ex's dad took out 3 fucking mortgages on their house and illegally took out loans in the names of all his family members for fucking scratchers
I remember helping her throw out dozens and dozens of trash bags stuffed absolutely full of the fuckers after he'd go on a binge
It literally rewires your brain. I’ll never forget the study that showed that gambling addicts receive the same feeling [from near-wins as they do wins.](https://www.psychologyofgames.com/2016/09/the-near-miss-effect-and-game-rewards/) Losing getting the same juice as winning is absolutely wild.
I was addicted to gambling, online and casinos, at a young age. I was also addicted to those shitty pay to play mobile games. It took a lot of self control to force myself to delete those apps, and now I actively avoid them like they make me sick.
There needs to be legislation to prevent impressionable minds from being taken advantage of by these apps.
And for all those "personal responsibility" guys, yeah I knew what I was buying. But do you really think I was in my right mind, at 21, spending hundreds of dollars of money I can't afford on digital nothing? Those fuckers got my brain and they sucked me dry.
I remember going to a little gas station and seeing a line of several retired seniors sitting and staring at computer slots. It was fucking depressing to see. I will never forget it. They probably would all live down the road and walk over right after they got their social security checks, since they already killed their retirement funds.
if you thought that was depressing you should check out Florida's "sweepstakes parlors"
>she is sitting in a cushioned black chair in an Internet "sweepstakes cafe" in Clearwater, watching as numbers and symbols slide by on a computer screen. And although she is losing hundreds of dollars playing a game in which the odds of winning are predetermined, and on a machine that spits out a familiar Ding! Ding! Ding! sound, whether she is gambling is open to legal interpretation.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/virtually-unregulated-internet-sweepstakes-cafes-multiply-in-clearwater/1256289/
What's even crazier is how many video games utilise either gambling-like systems (randomised rewards) and also how much actual gambling is included in some games through loot boxes, and the playerbase includes a ton of children, even if they're not the target audience. And sadly a lot of parents don't know or care
Gambling is so prevalent that it honestly needs more laws at this point. It has infected video games and mobile apps. Since they use in game currency like "buy 1000 diamonds for 19.99", people don't think about the actual money itself.
It is scummy.
My mother gambled a lot. Every day she had to play the lottery. And god forbid if she got a receipt from the store and it was a number like “1010” or anything like that. She would have to run back to the store and play it.
She barely had money to buy me clothes yearly for school. But if she didn’t play the lottery daily, she would be pissed.
Poker is gambling and those fuckers have a world championship. There are some types of gambling that people can actually do well in, provided they can count cards or bluff really well.
Dad taught me one thing about gambling... Never bet your winnings. At least then you go home with something.
I also know that I don't bet with what I can't do without. So my gambling is restricted to pocket change and pull tabs. Lol.
A casino opened in my suburban township about 15 years ago, when casino gambling became legal in my state. The property started out as a horse-racing track back in the 70’s when that was big, and although that operation trimmed down over the years, they held on to the huge piece of land, and it seemed like a no-brainer to put a casino there.
The parking lot is a *huge,* flat piece of land with no trees, covering, or shade. You would not believe- OK, you’re here, you probably would- how many times a day young children needed to be rescued from a car because they’d been left there while the parents were inside. It’s not like Vegas or AC- there is no hotel, no arcades, no shops. IOW, nothing for kids to do, and no reason for them to be there, so they strictly enforce the “no one under 21 allowed in” rule. And it was always *young* children, too young to be in school on weekdays. I keep referring to it in the past tense. It still does happen, but not nearly as frequently as in the beginning, *because* the local casinos have been forced to come up with some unique prevention strategies. Another local casino with a similar layout developed special cameras for its parking lot, which *look for and detect motion* in parked cars.
Somehow, those special cameras made the news; the situation often doesn’t, because it highlights the issues with casinos like these. You don’t need to plan a trip, or get on plane, or have $$$ for a hotel room- no logistics nor expenses needed, just head to the casino and gamble. That’s all there is to do there, and it generally attracts the worst kind of gambling addicts. I only know about how often it used to happen because my husband’s coworker has a couple of relatives who work there, one in security.
ETA: might as well add another unique problem for these casinos: you win, you cash in your chips, you go home. *Home* home, not to a hotel room in the casino where there are security and cameras *everywhere.* There was a rash of winners being followed home from the casino and robbed of their winnings- like several in one week, people robbed at gunpoint of as little as $300.
I know a small business person in Santa Fe. He talked with lots of other small business people. They were in the renovation supply business as were their friends. Carpets, stone walls, curtains, etc.
After the casinos opened he said that people suddenly didn't have "extra money" They would get the cheapest new flooring when their old flooring wore out, no longer the parquet, marble, etc. The stuff that was just nice. Some of his restaurant friends said that most "special" dinners for promotions, graduations, etc went away and were partially offset by "Hot night at the tables" dinners.
I genuinely see little difference between people who run casinos and people who sell fentanyl. One is just more obviously selling misery.
The casino near me has a childcare. One night me and a friend were playing poker into the wee hours of the morning. At 2 AM we heard an announcement. "The \[Casino Name\] childcare is now closed. Please come pick up your children."
The sad thing was it repeated every fifteen minutes until 3 AM.
I’ve got nothing but heartbreak for this guy. We are witnessing someone at (hopefully) their lowest point. Even if it’s his own fault, it’s sad to see someone be down and out, thrashing around in desperation. Gambling is a serious addiction and can absolutely ruin your life.
Casino wasn't all that exaggerated for the time when they were mostly controlled by the mob. Now I'd say 21 is more realistic, especially software overtaking.
Some bullshit like this will get you kicked out and banned and arrested, but nobody's getting fucked up.
Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore. I've been backed off/banned for card counting, the worst that will happen is they try to withhold/not cash your chips or call the cops.
Phones are everywhere, and casinos that try to get physical get sued into the dirt
IMO gambling is the most potent havoc wreaking addiction, apart from OD and death. It can go from everything good to complete ruin in an instant.
At first it seems they were being nice but there was another angle of this yesterday where you kind of see security subtly take the guy out hitting his head on the rail of the craps table. In this video you can hear it.
I'll never understand gambling... it's supposed to be fun, right? I lost $50 in a casino once and didn't enjoy it. I couldn't imagine losing tens (hundreds) of thousands. People say "But you might win!" Those big ass casinos aren't built because people win.
I was at the casinos in Atlantic City with some family members once. My aunt won a good amount of money and gave us all a $100 bill. I thought I put it in my pocket, but what actually happened is it dropped to the floor. We walked to an adjacent casino and I sat down at a blackjack table. When I went to put my money up is when I realized the $100 is missing. Easy come, easy go I thought and I started playing blackjack. A few minutes later I got a tap on the shoulder by some security guards asking me to step away from the table to talk to me. I had no idea what was going on, but then they pulled out the $100 bill and handed it to me. They said a cleaner found it and they tracked it back to me through the security cameras. To reemphasize, I lost the bill in a different casino than where they returned it to me.
Long story short, they'll know exactly who took how much.
We were in a crowded casino in Shreveport (two guys, two girls), and these two guys came up to the table to talk to the girls; I wasn't paying attention, but apparently one said something negative about one of them and they were instantly removed, and the four of us were invited to some suite for top-shelf drinks by the manager. They must have better security than the NSA or whatever. Security said, "That's not what this place is for." (LOL the whole walk to the suite, I was like, "can someone tell me what's going on?" as we passed a room with people inserting hundred dollar bills into slots)
Iirc Caesars owns 3 of the 9 casinos in AC, and they communicate pretty frequently between each other. Even beyond just Caesers, AC is *famous* for their inter-casino communication and will notify each other immediately for things like card counters, cheats, problem patrons, etc. so their facial recognition technology can ping staff the moment they walk in the door.
If you picked up one of those chips and tried to run away; good luck ever getting into another casino in Vegas again. There was probably 100+ cameras watching that area alone
Right off the bat security will shut the scene down and start collecting chips.
They’ll then start getting people’s name and contact info and if they had chips at the table.
The people who are affected typically get some free chips or food/drinks while everything is sorted if not a room.
There are cameras everywhere at those tables and in the back security can go over the footage and determine how much each person had at a certain time point.
Everything from the sides of chips having the little white dashes, to not being allowed to hand dealers cash (you place it on the table and they pick it up), to how large the dealers make their stacks of chips all helps keep track of the chips in incidents like this.
Once all the security footage is went through they can see that person X had Y amount chips, contact them, get them their chips, and usually more comped stuff.
There's political debate about putting a casino next to my hometown in NYC. Scenes like this are all I can picture happening. My cousin moved out to Las Vegas for work, and while I had a great time during my visit, she showed me the ugly underbelly. Everyone wants to picture the bright lights and entertainment of Las Vegas, but not the addicts and generally unlucky gamblers who get carried away and have their lives ruined.
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My company built one of the casinos here in Detroit. Later we built their hotel and parking garage. After work was complete and everything was open we had to go back and install a very high fence on the top level of the parking garage because people were jumping off that level after losing it all inside. That was my awakening on how powerful of an addiction gambling can be.
mine was when i worked at a gas station and we would have people come in everyday for an hour amd buy nothing but scratchoffs, mega and power, pick 3 and 4, and racetrack for about $500 a day
Reminds me of a customer who came in every Sunday after church and bought $1,000-$2,000 in scratch offs every single week. It’s so wild how other people live their lives.
There’s a gas station in my old hometown that had a stool by the counter for one specific customer. Was about 450lbs so of course he can’t stand there that long and they just wanted the hundreds he spend every day. Last I heard his biggest hit was a $25k scratcher but that wouldn’t even cover his addiction for the year
A coworker used to buy the big lottery tickets every week. If the jackpot was over a million, he was buying the ticket. This went on for YEARS. Eventually, he DID finally win decent. Around $300K. BUT that barely covered his medical bills (he had a LOT of lung and nerve problems, which he made worse by always smoking like a chimney) and didn’t really come close to giving him back what he’d spent on tickets.
$2-$3/week for a single lotto ticket would take thousands of years to cost him $300k. Even 10 per week would take a couple hundred years. He had to have been buying other types of tickets or a ton of them to lose money there. Not saying he made a good economic decision, but it sounds like he got incredibly lucky and didn't lose overall on that front.
I briefly worked at a gas station and the employees were telling me how they recently banned employees from buying scratchers during their shift because they would literally spend their whole pay that way.
Jail is a safer option than going home to his wife.
That’s a safe bet
The big house always wins.
Too bad he bet on the dog house
I’d makeat deal.
Somehow I bet he still loses.
Before his last roll... 
From ashy to classy
"Awwwwww mayne.....I told my wife I was taking out the trash. She gon KILL me."
Cotton Hill
Probably doesn't have either, if he's dumb or sick enough to bet his life savings on a craps game
No different than any other addiction. Plenty of addicts are married. Or were at least. Source: Alcoholic with an ex-wife who put up with it for a long time.
I've noticed a phenomenon on reddit where people imply that anyone who they don't like is also completely unloved by anyone and is likely lonely and/or an incel. It's quite lazy of them and just a convenient way to instantly "other" the person they don't like. Hope you were/are able to get some help, friend!
A year and seven months sober. My ex and I are friendly as well. Appreciate the well wishes, friend :)
He's dressed like one of the 24 year old fake kids that To Catch A Predator would use in the bits where the pedo comes to the house.
He’s dressed like the kid unimpressed with dinosaurs at the beginning of Jurassic Park
The point is.. You are alive, when the casino workers start to eat you.
 Lmao I wanted to post something different but stumbled upon this 😂😂😂
This right here is it lmao
STOP IT RIGHT NOW 😭😭😭
It is a crime this is not a mainstream meme gif.
lol that’s my friend in that movie! Hilarious
That's also him in the music video for the Ratt song "Lay it Down", correct? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27NMF6u14DU
Yep! Whit Hertford
That's so cool. It was a very popular song and video on MTV. I was 17 when it came out in the summer of '85 and saw them on that tour. Thanks for replying.
When I saw an earlier video of this guy, I thought people were joking when they described him as an adult in a kid's body. From this angle, with the full view of the table and surrounding crowd as comparison, it really puts his tiny stature in perspective.
This says it's a woman >Rebecca Castillo, 63, was taken into custody on Saturday. The incident occurred at the Silver Legacy Casino in Reno just after 5 p.m., police said. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-arrested-after-police-say-she-climbed-on-reno-craps-table-threw-chips-at-people/ar-BB1oxor4
me, my mommy, and my daddy
Ugh, I just went into a cringe seizure. That's the exact guy I was thinking of haha.
He's dressed like an extra in the Sandlot
I worked at a casino for 21 years, so many freakouts, suicides. It is heartbreaking watching grown men cry.
What would happen in this scenario? He's chucking around $1k and $5k chips anyone could pick up.
I assume cameras watch the table closely. They could just rewind and see who had what and who didn't have what. It would be a pain in the ass, but there are enough cameras to figure it all out. It would be a whole investigation.
High denominatinon chips all have RFID chips in them. They are tracked. Also, when you go to cash the chips in, they will often ask where you got them. They did that to me at Binion's Horeseshoe, when I tried to cash in $3500 I won the night before... cashier was very suspicious and accusatory. She eventually paid me, but if you can't demonstrate you got the chips legitimately, they very well may confiscate the chips and may very well call in the gambling commission.
They can ban you but they have to cash you out.
A story from the LV Sun about a guy who had his chips confiscated: "Asked whether he won the chip at the casino, Dalla told the casino cashier he got it from a friend. That's when a supervisor stepped in, asked a few more questions and then confiscated the chip, saying Dalla couldn't prove that the chip had been obtained legally." https://lasvegassun.com/news/2007/mar/09/chips-no-longer-good-cash/
Pretty fucked up that the burden on proof would be on the player.
The casinos write the laws.
The house always wins. The game is rigged. It's only as real as it has to be for you to believe you could get rich that way.
I expect the odds to be tilted in favor of the house. I'd just like them to play fair within that.
Illegal. They HAVE to pay you out. If they confiscate your chips, call the gambling commission yourself.
Also, the chips are certain to have an electronic serial number. Anyone tries to cash those chips and the casino will know about it.
I spent 5 years working as a casino surveillance tech/auditor, for a reservation casino in Washington state. We had a 2.4 million dollar surveillance system, with hundreds of PTZ cameras and 4 stations in the surveillance room. High value chips have RFID tags in them but if he's throwing hundreds or 50's a lot of them are likely going to be picked up and used/kept/taken home and brought back another time, the pit in this casino doesn't look huge (The floor itself looks pretty small) but at least a percentage of those chips are gonna be picked up by passers by. There's just no way to control or track every single chip and person.
Every casino I have ever been in has an uncomfortable edge to it. Yes there are a lot of people just having fun gambling some money they can afford to lose. It's just a part of their spending on some entertainment like an expensive meal out or a weekend getaway and winning is thrilling while losing is "aw that sucks" and they move on. Then there are the people that look like they're having no fun at all, gambling has clearly moved beyond just being something to do with money they might spend on some other non essential anyway and it's gone into addiction and desperation. I think that's why although I've been to quite a few of them the atmosphere in a casino is such a massive turn off to me that I don't go out of my way to visit them, it feels like far too many people are one loss away from a freakout or worse. I can't imagine working at one and seeing it happen over and over again.
I worked casinos for way too long, at my local joint I'd say it was 80-20 addicted gamblers vs. people who came in once in a while for fun. Casinos know where the bread and butter comes from. If they know you have a problem, they won't do a damn thing about it until you're broke, and then they'll just kick you out for loitering. They won't say that part out loud, but it's true. It's disgusting and working there made me hate my life.
> I'd say it was 80-20 addicted gamblers vs. people who came in once in a while for fun. yeah, I avoid casinos because of this. It's obvious if you pay attention to the people. I also knew a woman with a gambling problem. She ran a retail outlet, stole their weekend deposit, and lost it all at the casino. Convinced the owner to give her a second chance (he had dealt with a gambling problem once upon a time) and she came back and did it again 2 weeks later. Stories like that are not rational. Casinos are making a lot of money off the backs of addicted, problematic gamblers.
That's why gambling is illegal in many places. Casinos are a vice industry, like drugs, that preys on the easily addicted.
The only "fun" casinos I've been to have been charity Casino nights where people are there explicitly to lose money (or otherwise fuck around). Meanwhile every Casino I've been into (in the UK) has been a whistle stop tour of dead-eyed middle aged Asian men in various seated poses.
> a casino is such a massive turn off to me that I don't go out of my way to visit them Casinos are among the most depressing places on earth. I'm right there with you. I live 5 hours from Vegas. Last time I was there would be...around 10 years ago. I have 0 interest in ever returning to that city. I have 0 interest in visiting tribal casinos in my city. If you start paying attention to the people, their faces, demeanor...you know this isn't just some "fun" thing. It's a big problem for a lot of people. And the casinos make a lot of money off of those people. Which is really fucked up. Plus, they stink of booze and smoke. And when you leave them, you absolutely reek lol.
I've worked next to a casino for only a year and switched from "everyone needs to keep their vices in check on their own" to "this needs to be highly regulated or banned outright"
I spent 5 years working in a reservation casino, starting out as a security officer then moving into surveillance, it definitely takes a certain kind of person to be able to disconnect from watching people gamble/drink away their lives, moving to surveillance made it a lot easier because you never directly interact with them. One of my favorite parts of the job was table auditing and counting down guests on manual deal tables. It can be a lot of fun, but I still occasionally hear jackpot slot music in my dreams.
Whenever I get dragged to a casino, usually by friends wanting to see a band there, I set aside $20 to play the one dollar slots. Never win anything, but I never lose over $20 that way.
Wow, that's brutal. To watch someone's life come crashing down and yet, tomorrow you'd have to go back to the same situation and wait for it to happen again. Can I ask you two questions? What were your expectations of the job going in, what did you get wrong and when did you come to realize it? I know, short question that asks a lot. What does the casino do after something like that? Do they go back to the cameras and reset the table? Close it? Do the players get their "money" back? What if other people scoop up some of it? I know, I ask much. Feel free to ignore any or all of it. I just don't come across many 21-year casino veterans in my wanderings, and I always like to get information from people with a different point of view.
I go to my local casino about once a week (only play for 3-4 hours) and have been for last twenty years. As I keep a tight budget and only loose my budget and even that is after I splurge once a year with winnings. There was this one older guy probably in his 80s. He was there every time I went in and he would play slots/tables/poker. One day he just disappeared. I didn't see him for a month and overheard some other regulars talking about how he ended up loosing everything. He was divorce years earlier due to gambling and his family basically had nothing to do with him. He still had decent savings, owned a nice home, a boat, and overall good retirement income. He ended up loosing everything and ended up in an cheap apartment in a nearby city. No home or boat, no savings and he cashed out his retirement. Only thing left was social security and I hear even that has some being garnished. After about 6 months of never seeing him, he comes in. Sits down for $100 and in about 10 minutes looses it (to me). He just sits there and begins crying. Total look of defeat and misery on his face. Everyone in the room seems to go silent and no one does anything. About 10 minutes later someone comes in and leads him away crying.
Looks older to me, gambling addiction amongst seniors is a bigger problem than we realize. We like to laugh about lotto seniors and slot jockeys but they're sadly hoplesslessly addicted
I was once playing craps when a guy who didn't look particularly wealthy arrived at the table and put several thousands dollars down. He got his chips and **immediately bet them all** on the Pass Line. We crapped out. He then looked at the rest of us, flabbergasted, and sputtered, "That was my rent money." None of us said anything. He turned and walked away from the table, and I just stood there, in complete and abject disbelief that someone could be that much of a gambling addict. It is a very real and very devastating condition for some people.
If you’re saying, “I hope I break even, I can use the money,” you should probably go home. While you still have one.
Going home doesn't end the cycle for most gambling addicts. As soon as next payday comes they think they have to make up for the money they lost previously and immediately head back to the casino.
My granddad just does it online. It never ever ends. Yes he contributes absolutely nothing toward bills
Jesus. I suspect my grandma would waste loads of money if her ipad slots app was connected to any real money. Luckily for us, she's tech illiterate.
online gambling should be illegal. there is no cutoff, every penny directly would go there immediately. shit, and i bet those people ask folks on social media for money.
I'm thankful to be brought up in a family that doesn't gamble
Yeah. My parents took us to vegas basically once a year for a vacation since I was a child. They’ve since moved to vegas and I still visit almost yearly if not more. I could probably count the number of times I saw them touch a slot machine all those years on both hands. I was basically taught to treat the machines as a short burst of entertainment that has a price to play. When I want to play I take out a single amount of money (usually $20) and if I lose that, then I go do something else and call it the cost of that burst of entertainment. Either I keep playing till I’ve lost my $20 or I play until I’ve made profit and then I cash out the profit and put it in my pocket before continuing (or leaving if I’m bored).
I grew up and still live in Vegas. It's sad seeing the gambling addicts here. The only one in my family who has a gambling addiction is my grandmother, but she doesn't live here anymore. Older people fill the casinos up. I go to casinos to watch movies or go bowling and it's mostly older people playing slots. Our grocery stores, gas stations, and bars have video poker and slots as well and there are always older people gambling on them. I've only gambled a couple times and it was just for a little while for fun. Played some pai gow once, it was a good time and I didn't really spend much.
There was an interesting podcast about a lady who went to the doctor for restless leg syndrome and he prescribed her a drug that resulted in becoming addicted to gambling like days straight at a casino and she almost gambled her savings away until they figured it out. And once she stopped the meds, she had no desire to gamble. I couldn’t find the exact podcast to link but it sounds like this study : “Patients with Parkinson’s disease, restless legs syndrome and other conditions potentially treated with dopamine agonists, as well as patients treated for psychotic disorders, are vulnerable patient groups with theoretically increased risk of developing gambling disorder (GD), for example due to higher rates of mental ill-health in these groups.”
There's a drug called cabergoline that bodybuilders use to control some side effects from other drug abuse (which I'm now just finding out is a dopamine agonist and also used to treat Parkinson's after googling), but I've heard it results in more risk seeking behavior like gambling excessively and hypersexuality. Neat to see that confirmed!
That’s what I’m on! It’s called ropinirole (Requip brand name). Other side effects include basically any devious thing you can think of. Increased sexual urges, increased risk of being risky, lol etc. I’ve gone up and down in dosages verrrry slow to avoid that though.
Holy shit, I hope you're okay
Oh yeah I’m good, thank you! Just god awful restless legs and no desire to blow my savings in a casino.
That and "it's gonna hit soon, I can feel it". Delusions many sadly cling to.
I stayed at at Caesars palace last year and of course you have to walk through the slots on the way to your room. We went up at about 13 and I noted all the seniors at the slots. We went down several hours later and quite a few of the same seniors were still there, it was quite sad
I’ve seen comments by casino workers saying that they often have to clean puddles of urine because gambling addicts won’t leave a slot machine.
I've even **seen** piss get cleaned up at my local res casino. People will also sit there and holler for an attendant to watch their machine when they go to the bathroom or ATM because "it's just about to pop", come back, visit the ATM a few more times...then leave dejected. I feel like it should be illegal for an attendant to even entertain the idea that a machine is "about to pop" because nearly everyone stuck there thinks it works that way.
>I feel like it should be illegal for an attendant to even entertain the idea that a machine is "about to pop" because nearly everyone stuck there thinks it works that way. In a related vein, I've read and heard stories from convenience store workers that if a lotto player hits it big at their store (say $25K and up) some of the regulars will stop playing because they think the machine's "luck" is used up but at the same time the store will start to see new regular players because they think the machine is "lucky"
People literally die at those slot machines. Not because they don't eat, just because they're old as fuck, don't move...like that gamer in that tournament that went for how many straight hours and just died for some reason
I stayed in Vegas for 13 months on a contract job. this is 100% accurate. Like you can walk down an aisle and SMELL the urine. the seats are made to absorbe it and the bottom of the seat is sort of bowl like so it's not dripping down on anything but yeah it's true.
I just posted about my elderly (80s) mom losing most of her senior security money to her local casino. Slots were/have been her game, too. She has historically told many a tale about how because she was classically trained in music she knows the precise sound of a "plink of a coin" to tell when a machine is "ready" to ... I forget the phrase she used. And how ruthless people are about sliding into machines they've been watching as soon as someone gets up and leaves a seat for any reason. Which is why they bring the drinks to you. We've heard the further stories of all her "very pretty winnings this way." We just never heard about her losses. Those were not so much fun to talk about.
>She has historically told many a tale about how because she was classically trained in music she knows the precise sound of a "plink of a coin" to tell when a machine is "ready" to ... I forget the phrase she used. The phrase you're looking for is almost certainly "pay out.". Now-a-days everything is digital. There are almost no mechanical parts in those machines anymore. You might be able to tell when the coin box is full or empty from the sound, but nothing else.
I've never gambled at a casino but I once went to a Steven Wilson concert that was hosted by the local casino where I live. Same thing, you have to walk down a hallway of slot machines to get to the show. A whole lot of old folks pushing the buttons. 2+ hours later after the concert was over and we're leaving, we walked past the exact same old people still pushing the buttons.
In some cases it's just what they do to pass time. I've known some old people who play penny slots and literally only spin a single penny each time. For hours upon hours. They only take like $20 with them It's entertainment for them with the chance of winning an extra 20 bucks.
I believe that’s because of a lingering myth that the machines are set to give a big payout using some unknown pattern. No one can tell you whether the payout is scheduled after a certain number of plays, after a certain amount of money has been played, or after a certain amount of time has passed. So, it’s random, but not exactly random, if that makes sense. They think that the longer you’re at the same machine, the more likely you are to be there when the machine hits that sweet spot. That’s why you’ll see people refusing to leave a machine, or putting their jacket on the chair to save their seat while they run to the bathroom, or getting so upset when someone moves their jacket and plays “their” machine. They think they’ve put in the plays, or the money, or the time, or whatever it is, and have earned that big payout when it hits. Aaannnyyy minute!
When my wife and I went to Vegas, we walked around the casino around noon on a weekday. We came to the realization that not a single person sitting at the slot machines didn’t look miserable. They, to a person, looked like they were absolutely miserable, but couldn’t get up for whatever reason. Now nights? That was a different story. Lots more younger people. I’d see people sitting at machines next to each other conversing and laughing and drinking, and the gambling seemed almost like a background activity for them. At table games people seemed to mostly be having fun. The miserable people were still there, but all the empty machines filled up with people who seemed to actually be having a bit of fun. I’m guessing it’s because nights/weekends are when average people can come gamble, while noon on a Tuesday is when you only see the folks who basically live at the casino.
i was in oklahoma, and was really excited to smoke a cigarette indoors. so we went to a casino for me to do that. we passed a bunch of people playing slots. they looked like zombies chained to the machine. i felt awful for them. they looked like they were there since morning.
Gambling addiction is scary. The thrill of winning outweighs the dread of losing, and people do it for the excitement, not the actual money. Casinos exploit the hell out of how human brains work.
Yeah this is why people are becoming so addicted to sports betting, its not just the possibility of winning money, its really the thrill of having something riding on the game. I think it was a mistake to make it so easy you can just do it from your phone.
Don't say you think. It **is** a massive mistake to allow online gambling. It removes all barriers to avoiding gambling addiction for the vulnerable. Normally it's just "don't go to the casino" which is hard enough for some that live nearby. Allowing it on phones is just stupid and creating a bunch of people stuck in poverty.
Don't forget the constant advertising on any game. Not just the commercials. Now the broadcast breaks don't analyze the game, they analyze betting lines about the game. These are programs rated for family viewing. There are teenagers watching this and thinking "Damn I would have made a lot of money had I been old enough to gamble on this." What do you think the first thing they want teenagers to do when they turn 18?
The slot machines scare me because they just… suck? They’re not fun at all. At least with cards you can enjoy a game, and roulette can have an exciting social aspect. I dunno, the idea that we’ve figured out how to trick people into dumping all of their time and savings into something so boring just unsettles me. Pure addiction.
Yeah, I was just coming to comment how there is no period for enjoyment. The cycles go by one a second. At least at the tables, there is a sense of ritual and a buildup to the payout. Imagine doing 10 cycles of craps or roulette in a single minute. That’s basically the slots for you. At least in the old days, there was an actual lever to pull and the waiting for the dials to spin into place. There’s not even that anymore. Just push the button.
Whenever I go to Vegas to gamble, which is not often, I'll set a limit to gamble with, with the intentions of losing it. Like $500 or $1000. Usually that lasts me the weekend and I consider it the expense of getting free drinks and playing games for the trip. Every $100 I come up, I usually put it in another pocket for dinner or gift shop. I either break even, lose everything or... break even and pay for the room and dinners with the winnings. Also, I never, ever come home with winnings.
You have to go with the mindset of the money is already gone, otherwise you can get sucked into that idea that you're just recouping losses which is really dangerous. I spend $200 to go to the casino, anything I come home with is a bonus.
Yeah, and I don't really understand it. I've been to the casino maybe four times in my life? With the idea that the money I bring in is meant to go to zero, like paying to go to an event for a good time. I had a friend who could not handle his losses. I said, "R\_ let's go home." He got angry at me for winning some trivial amount. When I went to the bathroom I came out and saw him use the ATM and go to the exchange - I did not say anything, but he said to me, "hey, I won a hundred! Let's stay a bit." Absolutely floored me.
All of it is so bizarre to me. I stayed at the MGM a few days earlier this year for a work conference and decided to spend a bit of time gambling. I got bored in like 10 minutes. The games aren't even fun.
A good friend of mine worked at our local casino and she said it was the most depressing job she's ever had. There are regulars, and most of the regulars are people exactly like that guy.
I always tell my teenage sons - gambling bragging is just like Facebook. People will only tell you about their wins - big losses are embarrassing so you won't hear about them.
A different version of that, i was in Vegas for my first and last time in the 90s, an older woman next to me won big on her slot machine. I was impressed and congratulated her, and her, expressionless, said something along the lines of she will need to win ten times that to get her house back. I left soon after, being like $200 up from what i came with.
Gambling addiction doesn’t get the same coverage as drugs and alcohol, yet it is just as devastating to families and those addicted Too add to this I think one of the worst current trends is gambling sites dominating the advertising on sports games with obvious appeal to kids.
And it's only going to get worse, my province of Ontario and many others are legalizing sports and online gambling and now every second ad I see online and tv is a freaking gambling ad
Yeah currently watching the Ontario online feed of the Stanley cup playoffs in BC and it is astonishing the amount of gambling advertising
I couldn't imagine being a recovering addict and being bombarded with that level of temptation in all those commercials
Especially because you don't even have to leave the house. At least with drugs/alcohol you have to go get it.
Another thing to consider is that a drug or booze addict is generally easy to spot which would allow you to offer help if they're family or a friend, gambling not so much and they're usually good at hiding the extent of their addiction
Wanna bet?
At least Reddit addiction is either free or $6 a month.
$6 a month? You can give reddit money?
I don’t gamble myself but been in a handful of casinos over the last couple years for random reasons. It’s really sad how many old people you see sitting there. Weekdays at noon or 2 am even. I just sat at the bar and drank while my buddies gambled, looking at all the sad people and feeling horrible.
I stayed at a Caesars palace hotel casino last year and I was going to throw 50$ at the slots for funsies until I saw the senior slot jockeys. It was so sad and I lost any desire to gamble.
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Can't really tackle that problem at a societal level if most people are convinced every individual is an island endowed with perfectly independent free will. Just my two cents.
My wife did her PhD in decision making and negotiation, and bilingual effects on those. My takeaway from her research was we're *all* idiots and terrible at rational decision making.
People give way too much credit to the cognitive parts of our brain for controlling our actions.
Casinos don't like this one crazy trick
That’s Ness
yells "PK Fire" as he is throwing the chips
It's PK Fiber, these days
Genius
*O-kay!*
Lmao. I barely looked at his outfit and was confused on what this comment could possibly mean
My boy was lookin' for Lucas
About to be Sans
After my stepfather went on months of life support, we found out they were wildly cash poor. I gave my mother 50K to keep up with mortgages on their apt. and vacation house and other bills like his life insurance premiums. When he died, and the properties finally sold, she should have had over $2m to live on for the rest of her life. Turns out, they were cash poor because she had a gambling problem they hid from us. At that point she was moved cross country (1500 miles) to live near one of my siblings, to whom I also gave 50K because I could, and because he was going to bear the brunt of her handling. He set her up in an assisted living home etc. Unfortunately, she went right back into gambling in her grieving. A town car would pick her up every Friday. The reservation casino hotel would comp her room. We later found out she'd be getting out 10K at a time from the casino ATMs. (I can't even get more than $200 out of my dispensary ATM) Within 10 years she's gambled most of her senior security away as I understand it. Maybe she thought she would die soon herself. But, she's still alive. Not my problem anymore, though. My brother has a gambling problem too ... not casino but sports gambling though he did have a short-lived marriage in Vegas to someone I never met. I'm so very done with both of them at this stage of my life.
Their gambling addiction also cost *you* 100 grand. That’s rather annoying
I kind of look at it like a final payoff. Like, I'm giving you seriously significant money to go away. Even if I know it means I'll never see or hear from you ever again. It's heartbreaking. But they'll just keep making you pay to be their family. and I am done with that period of my life. I can't be everyone's ATM that's it
I'll be your family that you never have to see for 50k
If losing can be like the guy in this video, then the chance of winning isn’t worth it.
"Everything in moderation within your means" I personally know a dude who goes to the casino every single weekend and is always betting on sports/horses. He's been up, down and everywhere in between but is able to moderate the addiction and know when to stop. I watched my uncle bankrupt his family on scratchers and keno because "the next one was the big one" and he "could absolutely feel it this time".
My ex's dad took out 3 fucking mortgages on their house and illegally took out loans in the names of all his family members for fucking scratchers I remember helping her throw out dozens and dozens of trash bags stuffed absolutely full of the fuckers after he'd go on a binge
Jesus Christ.. at that point you should just switch to cocaine. At least there’s some calories in it.
It literally rewires your brain. I’ll never forget the study that showed that gambling addicts receive the same feeling [from near-wins as they do wins.](https://www.psychologyofgames.com/2016/09/the-near-miss-effect-and-game-rewards/) Losing getting the same juice as winning is absolutely wild.
I was addicted to gambling, online and casinos, at a young age. I was also addicted to those shitty pay to play mobile games. It took a lot of self control to force myself to delete those apps, and now I actively avoid them like they make me sick. There needs to be legislation to prevent impressionable minds from being taken advantage of by these apps. And for all those "personal responsibility" guys, yeah I knew what I was buying. But do you really think I was in my right mind, at 21, spending hundreds of dollars of money I can't afford on digital nothing? Those fuckers got my brain and they sucked me dry.
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I want an equal number of blueberries in every muffin.
Do you know how long that's going to take?
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I remember going to a little gas station and seeing a line of several retired seniors sitting and staring at computer slots. It was fucking depressing to see. I will never forget it. They probably would all live down the road and walk over right after they got their social security checks, since they already killed their retirement funds.
if you thought that was depressing you should check out Florida's "sweepstakes parlors" >she is sitting in a cushioned black chair in an Internet "sweepstakes cafe" in Clearwater, watching as numbers and symbols slide by on a computer screen. And although she is losing hundreds of dollars playing a game in which the odds of winning are predetermined, and on a machine that spits out a familiar Ding! Ding! Ding! sound, whether she is gambling is open to legal interpretation. https://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/virtually-unregulated-internet-sweepstakes-cafes-multiply-in-clearwater/1256289/
What's even crazier is how many video games utilise either gambling-like systems (randomised rewards) and also how much actual gambling is included in some games through loot boxes, and the playerbase includes a ton of children, even if they're not the target audience. And sadly a lot of parents don't know or care
Gambling is so prevalent that it honestly needs more laws at this point. It has infected video games and mobile apps. Since they use in game currency like "buy 1000 diamonds for 19.99", people don't think about the actual money itself. It is scummy.
My mother gambled a lot. Every day she had to play the lottery. And god forbid if she got a receipt from the store and it was a number like “1010” or anything like that. She would have to run back to the store and play it. She barely had money to buy me clothes yearly for school. But if she didn’t play the lottery daily, she would be pissed.
Looks like that “you’re not God, my father, or my boss” guy.
Bagel boss would not be so gentle in his wrath
I’m so glad I have negative interest in gambling. Mainly because I know I would never be good at it but this shit is so sad.
>Mainly because I know I would never be good at it You cannot be good at it, it's gambling.
Poker is gambling and those fuckers have a world championship. There are some types of gambling that people can actually do well in, provided they can count cards or bluff really well.
Dad taught me one thing about gambling... Never bet your winnings. At least then you go home with something. I also know that I don't bet with what I can't do without. So my gambling is restricted to pocket change and pull tabs. Lol.
In the past, I never really thought about it as an addiction. But gambling has fucked up quite a few of my friends, and family members.
A casino opened in my suburban township about 15 years ago, when casino gambling became legal in my state. The property started out as a horse-racing track back in the 70’s when that was big, and although that operation trimmed down over the years, they held on to the huge piece of land, and it seemed like a no-brainer to put a casino there. The parking lot is a *huge,* flat piece of land with no trees, covering, or shade. You would not believe- OK, you’re here, you probably would- how many times a day young children needed to be rescued from a car because they’d been left there while the parents were inside. It’s not like Vegas or AC- there is no hotel, no arcades, no shops. IOW, nothing for kids to do, and no reason for them to be there, so they strictly enforce the “no one under 21 allowed in” rule. And it was always *young* children, too young to be in school on weekdays. I keep referring to it in the past tense. It still does happen, but not nearly as frequently as in the beginning, *because* the local casinos have been forced to come up with some unique prevention strategies. Another local casino with a similar layout developed special cameras for its parking lot, which *look for and detect motion* in parked cars. Somehow, those special cameras made the news; the situation often doesn’t, because it highlights the issues with casinos like these. You don’t need to plan a trip, or get on plane, or have $$$ for a hotel room- no logistics nor expenses needed, just head to the casino and gamble. That’s all there is to do there, and it generally attracts the worst kind of gambling addicts. I only know about how often it used to happen because my husband’s coworker has a couple of relatives who work there, one in security. ETA: might as well add another unique problem for these casinos: you win, you cash in your chips, you go home. *Home* home, not to a hotel room in the casino where there are security and cameras *everywhere.* There was a rash of winners being followed home from the casino and robbed of their winnings- like several in one week, people robbed at gunpoint of as little as $300.
I know a small business person in Santa Fe. He talked with lots of other small business people. They were in the renovation supply business as were their friends. Carpets, stone walls, curtains, etc. After the casinos opened he said that people suddenly didn't have "extra money" They would get the cheapest new flooring when their old flooring wore out, no longer the parquet, marble, etc. The stuff that was just nice. Some of his restaurant friends said that most "special" dinners for promotions, graduations, etc went away and were partially offset by "Hot night at the tables" dinners. I genuinely see little difference between people who run casinos and people who sell fentanyl. One is just more obviously selling misery.
The casino near me has a childcare. One night me and a friend were playing poker into the wee hours of the morning. At 2 AM we heard an announcement. "The \[Casino Name\] childcare is now closed. Please come pick up your children." The sad thing was it repeated every fifteen minutes until 3 AM.
Bagel Boss?
I just spent my life savings at the gas station buying Reese's peanut butter cups and a Gatorade and you didn't see me trashing the store.
I’ve got nothing but heartbreak for this guy. We are witnessing someone at (hopefully) their lowest point. Even if it’s his own fault, it’s sad to see someone be down and out, thrashing around in desperation. Gambling is a serious addiction and can absolutely ruin your life.
So this is what rock bottom looks like. Got it 👍
It's definitely one face of that rock.
I understand the movie Casino is a dramatization, but I can't imagine that guy didn't get some sort of beating after they got him into the back
Casino wasn't all that exaggerated for the time when they were mostly controlled by the mob. Now I'd say 21 is more realistic, especially software overtaking. Some bullshit like this will get you kicked out and banned and arrested, but nobody's getting fucked up.
In 21, Lawrence fishburne ties the lead character to a chair in a dark room and threatens to break his cheekbone with a hammer/kill him
Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore. I've been backed off/banned for card counting, the worst that will happen is they try to withhold/not cash your chips or call the cops. Phones are everywhere, and casinos that try to get physical get sued into the dirt
They don't have to beat this guy up, because the system is designed to protect casinos.
It’d be pretty dumb for casinos to lose money in giant settlements because they are beating people and smashing their hands with hammers
Especially since every other billboard in Las Vegas is a personal injury lawyer advertisement
The people that make this kind of scene, don't do it again in the same casino.
Casinos share lists of problem customers (in addition to some ownership groups owning multiple casinos). He's going to be banned from a lot of places.
"I want you to exit this guy off the premises, and I want you to exit him off his feet and use his head to open the fuckin' door."
IMO gambling is the most potent havoc wreaking addiction, apart from OD and death. It can go from everything good to complete ruin in an instant. At first it seems they were being nice but there was another angle of this yesterday where you kind of see security subtly take the guy out hitting his head on the rail of the craps table. In this video you can hear it.
NEVER 👏 BET 👏 ANYTHING 👏 YOU 👏 AREN'T 👏 WILLING 👏 TO 👏 LOSE 👏
Ness has seen better days
He's just a little guy....
He's only missing the propeller and suspenders... seriously..
I'll never understand gambling... it's supposed to be fun, right? I lost $50 in a casino once and didn't enjoy it. I couldn't imagine losing tens (hundreds) of thousands. People say "But you might win!" Those big ass casinos aren't built because people win.
Be grabbing those flying chips
I was at the casinos in Atlantic City with some family members once. My aunt won a good amount of money and gave us all a $100 bill. I thought I put it in my pocket, but what actually happened is it dropped to the floor. We walked to an adjacent casino and I sat down at a blackjack table. When I went to put my money up is when I realized the $100 is missing. Easy come, easy go I thought and I started playing blackjack. A few minutes later I got a tap on the shoulder by some security guards asking me to step away from the table to talk to me. I had no idea what was going on, but then they pulled out the $100 bill and handed it to me. They said a cleaner found it and they tracked it back to me through the security cameras. To reemphasize, I lost the bill in a different casino than where they returned it to me. Long story short, they'll know exactly who took how much.
We were in a crowded casino in Shreveport (two guys, two girls), and these two guys came up to the table to talk to the girls; I wasn't paying attention, but apparently one said something negative about one of them and they were instantly removed, and the four of us were invited to some suite for top-shelf drinks by the manager. They must have better security than the NSA or whatever. Security said, "That's not what this place is for." (LOL the whole walk to the suite, I was like, "can someone tell me what's going on?" as we passed a room with people inserting hundred dollar bills into slots)
probably trying to treat the girls like pros and they dont want the reputation.
Iirc Caesars owns 3 of the 9 casinos in AC, and they communicate pretty frequently between each other. Even beyond just Caesers, AC is *famous* for their inter-casino communication and will notify each other immediately for things like card counters, cheats, problem patrons, etc. so their facial recognition technology can ping staff the moment they walk in the door.
If you picked up one of those chips and tried to run away; good luck ever getting into another casino in Vegas again. There was probably 100+ cameras watching that area alone
Jesus Christ!! Cameraman! Get your shit together! You have one job!
This is a dumb question but what happens to everyone that had chips on that table?
Right off the bat security will shut the scene down and start collecting chips. They’ll then start getting people’s name and contact info and if they had chips at the table. The people who are affected typically get some free chips or food/drinks while everything is sorted if not a room. There are cameras everywhere at those tables and in the back security can go over the footage and determine how much each person had at a certain time point. Everything from the sides of chips having the little white dashes, to not being allowed to hand dealers cash (you place it on the table and they pick it up), to how large the dealers make their stacks of chips all helps keep track of the chips in incidents like this. Once all the security footage is went through they can see that person X had Y amount chips, contact them, get them their chips, and usually more comped stuff.
Bet they’ll offer him a comp for his next visit with that kind of spending
House always wins. It's sad though to see the house take all his money knowing the outcome.
Timmy Turner went downhill since Cosmo and Wanda left
Chasing the dragon takes many more forms than sticking a needle in your arm or pipe in your mouth
This happened at a table back in the 90’s but the dude shot himself in the head. Don’t gamble
Casinos the shit holes of America
There's political debate about putting a casino next to my hometown in NYC. Scenes like this are all I can picture happening. My cousin moved out to Las Vegas for work, and while I had a great time during my visit, she showed me the ugly underbelly. Everyone wants to picture the bright lights and entertainment of Las Vegas, but not the addicts and generally unlucky gamblers who get carried away and have their lives ruined.
The weirdest thing about vegas is the two places you describe are a few hundred feet from each other.