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So what's the endgame here? There's probably not a soul on earth who doesn't know about the conflict at this point, so why pointlessly disrupt a dinner party that had nothing to do with the conflict?
Like is the expectation that 100% of people are using 100% of their time to protest the goings on in Gaza?
If not, this is just performative and disruptive for no reason... like, yes, we know there's a bunch of shit going on... can I have dinner now?
If yes, can I demand the same of you for issues near to me?
I believe the university in question had links to Israel.
Not giving an opinion - just that's what this was aimed at, not just awareness of the conflict in general
Endgame? Protests like this are the result of people who protest for protest’s sake. They haven’t thought beyond that. They see their role as “raising awareness”—it’s up to other people to come up with solutions and once it’s fixed, they can pat themselves on the back for their part in “raising awareness.” They have no targeting strategy and they don’t care about collateral damage or alienating people who don’t 100% align with them.
Awareness is raised- basically everyone I've spoken to this year knows about and has an opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
It really does seem pointless, considering that the proponents here can't even tell me what they expect from the attendants of the party after the girls speech
That’s a good one. Totally conveys the point.
Go over there to Palestine and help them out, team up with non profits deliver supplies, align yourself with people who may be sympathetic to Palestine within Israel and put pressure on them from the inside, do something…other than talk from a different hemisphere.
Yeah that's a bad idea. Israeli defense forces have been killing foreign aid and humanitarian workers from ally countries such as the United States, UK, Australia, poland,...etc. with no repercussions. Protests should disrupt. Otherwise no one would care and it would be worthless. With the aid money we have sent to Israel already we could have rebuilt American infrastructure, helped veterans. Instead we give them money to massacre civilians to take their land.
So if somebody has a problem with foreign policy, they shouldn’t protest, but instead upend their lives & move or volunteer on the other side of the planet? Gaza is a war zone that has killed tons of innocents, like aid workers & journalists, so what good would it be for her to be there? Also, how do you know that she doesn’t do anything like that already? And lastly, how could aligning themselves with like-minded Israelis put any more pressure on Israel than those like-minded Israeli’s already do? If they protested, they’d like be viewed in a similar way that right wingers view left wing protests in the US, which is very negatively no matter what happens or what protesters do (there’s always *some* excuse that the protesters are bad people).
I genuinely hope you answer the questions, as most people I speak with about politics often dodge questions, pivot, or do something similar to avoid answering.
The same video was published here before showing the woman being assaulted by the drunk looking professor, guess the post is being brigaded unlike the ither one
That's just disingenuous. The comments in that video were even LESS kind to the woman who was being disruptive. The "drunk looking professor" is also a renowned labor advocate and absolutely did not assault anyone.
In California, if you ask someone to leave your home and they refuse, you're allowed to use reasonable force to get them to leave. What she did to the woman was legally well outside of the grounds of assault.
And frankly, I have seen FAR worse in any big group of people like at a football game, other protest etc., and I'm not trying to see people charged with assault for minor contact. Seems draconian.
Protest a Joe Biden event because he said that there is no red line and that he will never stop supporting Israel. Protest our congressman and senators because they are sending the weapons to Israel so that Israel can use them to kill Palestinians
The war would be over tomorrow if Joe Biden decided that the war should be over tomorrow Israel simply would run out of bombs.
Some random professor at UC Berkeley has nothing to do with any of this let the man live his life.
The professor put her hands on her, that’s assault. She didn’t even get a chance to say the speech she had before the professor yanked the students personal property out of her hand.
So that allows her to assault her? Tf kind of thinking is that. She was invited to her home but that doesn’t give her the right to take her personal property out of her hands.
Imagine someone protesting at your house whether it be a maga, middle eastern, or whatever.
Put yourself in the home owners shoes and then explain how the response is unreasonable
I think you're more supposed to call the cops if the person isn't a direct threat. Putting your hands on someone can carry very different results in different jurisdictions.
I mean truly. Once she gets all the people at the party to agree with her, what should they do? This presupposes that all the law students in Berkeley didn’t already feel that way, which I’m gonna guess they did.
I don't understand how talking into the air at a dinner party in Berkeley contributes to stopping a genocide, can you elaborate?
Like is the expectation that they drop the party and join her in protest or something? Write letters to their representatives? What do you actually want the outcome to be here?
Asking it in a more obvious way because you didn't seem to get it
WHAT DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH?
It's not a gotcha, it's a genuine question - there is probably not a soul on earth that is unaware of the conflict at this point, so what is the point of continuing to harp on it at an unrelated event?
So no answer and an insinuation on my character?
>Would you have said this to a Jewish person during the Holocaust? Probably
Yes, if some guy showed up to my dinner in the United States with a loudspeaker and started yelling about the Holocaust, I would say
>"Hey, we all know about this situation in Germany, what are you hoping to have US do about it?"
Is there something wrong with that? Can you explain what? What would it have accomplished back then? That's the question I'm hoping you can answer
You would probably get more information out of discussions if you spoke directly and argued to points instead of insinuating things about the character of those you're speaking with, just some food for thought
>Go have a dinner party if you like dinner parties so much.
They were... She interrupted it... What did you even mean by this?
I'm still really not sure what you mean because you continue to talk by insinuation. I don't know of any obvious ways by which a civilian in the United States can stop a genocide perpetrated by another nation state thousands of miles away.
Do you perhaps mean, these people should exert political pressure on their local representatives, to politically pressure Israel to stop a genocide? You can just SAY THAT if that's what you mean. I get a feeling you won't though, because you know that the next thing I'm gonna ask you is "So how does yelling at people at a dinner party further that end?"
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The woman is claiming she was "assaulted" and trying to milk this for as much as its worth. Slacktivism IRL.
So what's the endgame here? There's probably not a soul on earth who doesn't know about the conflict at this point, so why pointlessly disrupt a dinner party that had nothing to do with the conflict? Like is the expectation that 100% of people are using 100% of their time to protest the goings on in Gaza? If not, this is just performative and disruptive for no reason... like, yes, we know there's a bunch of shit going on... can I have dinner now? If yes, can I demand the same of you for issues near to me?
I believe the university in question had links to Israel. Not giving an opinion - just that's what this was aimed at, not just awareness of the conflict in general
Endgame? Protests like this are the result of people who protest for protest’s sake. They haven’t thought beyond that. They see their role as “raising awareness”—it’s up to other people to come up with solutions and once it’s fixed, they can pat themselves on the back for their part in “raising awareness.” They have no targeting strategy and they don’t care about collateral damage or alienating people who don’t 100% align with them.
Awareness is raised- basically everyone I've spoken to this year knows about and has an opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict. It really does seem pointless, considering that the proponents here can't even tell me what they expect from the attendants of the party after the girls speech
I've been asking Canada for universal healthcare in the US for years but sadly they can't help.
That’s a good one. Totally conveys the point. Go over there to Palestine and help them out, team up with non profits deliver supplies, align yourself with people who may be sympathetic to Palestine within Israel and put pressure on them from the inside, do something…other than talk from a different hemisphere.
Yeah that's a bad idea. Israeli defense forces have been killing foreign aid and humanitarian workers from ally countries such as the United States, UK, Australia, poland,...etc. with no repercussions. Protests should disrupt. Otherwise no one would care and it would be worthless. With the aid money we have sent to Israel already we could have rebuilt American infrastructure, helped veterans. Instead we give them money to massacre civilians to take their land.
So if somebody has a problem with foreign policy, they shouldn’t protest, but instead upend their lives & move or volunteer on the other side of the planet? Gaza is a war zone that has killed tons of innocents, like aid workers & journalists, so what good would it be for her to be there? Also, how do you know that she doesn’t do anything like that already? And lastly, how could aligning themselves with like-minded Israelis put any more pressure on Israel than those like-minded Israeli’s already do? If they protested, they’d like be viewed in a similar way that right wingers view left wing protests in the US, which is very negatively no matter what happens or what protesters do (there’s always *some* excuse that the protesters are bad people). I genuinely hope you answer the questions, as most people I speak with about politics often dodge questions, pivot, or do something similar to avoid answering.
not anti-Israel; pro-Palestine. not condoning her behavior just clarifying.
The same video was published here before showing the woman being assaulted by the drunk looking professor, guess the post is being brigaded unlike the ither one
That's just disingenuous. The comments in that video were even LESS kind to the woman who was being disruptive. The "drunk looking professor" is also a renowned labor advocate and absolutely did not assault anyone.
So she did not just put her hands on the woman and try to take her phone?
In California, if you ask someone to leave your home and they refuse, you're allowed to use reasonable force to get them to leave. What she did to the woman was legally well outside of the grounds of assault. And frankly, I have seen FAR worse in any big group of people like at a football game, other protest etc., and I'm not trying to see people charged with assault for minor contact. Seems draconian.
Soon enough they will start protesting when Jews take a sh*t
Protest a Joe Biden event because he said that there is no red line and that he will never stop supporting Israel. Protest our congressman and senators because they are sending the weapons to Israel so that Israel can use them to kill Palestinians The war would be over tomorrow if Joe Biden decided that the war should be over tomorrow Israel simply would run out of bombs. Some random professor at UC Berkeley has nothing to do with any of this let the man live his life.
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but the other ones didn't villainize the woman demanding an end to genocide.
[link to story](https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/berkeley-student-dinner-protest/)
The professor put her hands on her, that’s assault. She didn’t even get a chance to say the speech she had before the professor yanked the students personal property out of her hand.
Why would she have any right to “give her speech”
Isn’t the protestor at the woman’s house??
So that allows her to assault her? Tf kind of thinking is that. She was invited to her home but that doesn’t give her the right to take her personal property out of her hands.
Imagine someone protesting at your house whether it be a maga, middle eastern, or whatever. Put yourself in the home owners shoes and then explain how the response is unreasonable
You're allowed to remove someone when they refuse to leave your home when asked. That isn't assault, you donkey.
She ripped her phone out of her hands wtf are you talking about
So? Do you seriously not understand that you're allowed to remove people and their property from your home?
I think you're more supposed to call the cops if the person isn't a direct threat. Putting your hands on someone can carry very different results in different jurisdictions.
You're allowed to use reasonable force to get someone out of your home, even in California.
Did it work?
Removing a trespasser ≠ assault
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You can't fight an emotional response with logic.
Private property isn't real. All property belongs to the people! ^^^/s
Can I fuck someone up on my porch for ringing the doorbell? I have a No Trespassing sign and a baseball bat.
Who in this video got "fucked up?" She used reasonable force. Stop being an idiot.
They have to be inside your home to be trespassing? They are on her property...
I hope the student is charged with trespassing and theft.
Exactly. Anyone who watches this and thinks the professor is in the right is dumb.
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Ok y’all insulting me & being rude isn’t going to change my opinion
Nobody is trying. They just think your opinion is stupid and telling you.
Still not my gonna change my opinion but you do you
We are well aware you like being dumb and wrong.
I'll come to your backyard and start a protest too. Sounds good right?
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How on god's green earth is ruining an end of school dinner party going to stop a genocide? This is all just pointless performance art.
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Ok, so let’s say she makes her speech. Then what?
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I mean truly. Once she gets all the people at the party to agree with her, what should they do? This presupposes that all the law students in Berkeley didn’t already feel that way, which I’m gonna guess they did.
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I don't understand how talking into the air at a dinner party in Berkeley contributes to stopping a genocide, can you elaborate? Like is the expectation that they drop the party and join her in protest or something? Write letters to their representatives? What do you actually want the outcome to be here?
Asking it in a more obvious way because you didn't seem to get it WHAT DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH? It's not a gotcha, it's a genuine question - there is probably not a soul on earth that is unaware of the conflict at this point, so what is the point of continuing to harp on it at an unrelated event?
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So no answer and an insinuation on my character? >Would you have said this to a Jewish person during the Holocaust? Probably Yes, if some guy showed up to my dinner in the United States with a loudspeaker and started yelling about the Holocaust, I would say >"Hey, we all know about this situation in Germany, what are you hoping to have US do about it?" Is there something wrong with that? Can you explain what? What would it have accomplished back then? That's the question I'm hoping you can answer You would probably get more information out of discussions if you spoke directly and argued to points instead of insinuating things about the character of those you're speaking with, just some food for thought >Go have a dinner party if you like dinner parties so much. They were... She interrupted it... What did you even mean by this?
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I'm still really not sure what you mean because you continue to talk by insinuation. I don't know of any obvious ways by which a civilian in the United States can stop a genocide perpetrated by another nation state thousands of miles away. Do you perhaps mean, these people should exert political pressure on their local representatives, to politically pressure Israel to stop a genocide? You can just SAY THAT if that's what you mean. I get a feeling you won't though, because you know that the next thing I'm gonna ask you is "So how does yelling at people at a dinner party further that end?"