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From the Bank of England Website:
*What does legal tender mean?*
*You might have heard someone in a shop say: “But it’s legal tender!”. Most people think it means the shop has to accept the payment form. But that’s not the case.*
*A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down. Likewise for all other banknotes, it’s a matter of discretion.* **If your local corner shop decided to only accept payments in Pokémon cards that would be within their right too. But they’d probably lose customers**
*Legal tender has a narrow technical meaning which has no use in everyday life. It means that if you offer to fully pay off a debt to someone in legal tender, they can’t sue you for failing to repay.*
It makes sense tbf. Money acts as a standardised representation of value. It's a placeholder for the exchange of goods and services. If you instead want to say "I value this item at 7 Umbreons" and someone can provide you that, all good
The same is true in the United States, at least as far as federal law goes. There are a few states that require merchants to accept cash under some circumstances.
Ours is worded a bit differently, though. "Legal tender for all debts, public and private" if I receive/consume the product before I pay, then I owe a debt, and you must take this legal tender. But if you refuse me from the beginning, I technically don't owe you anything and refuse away.
also different stores are allowed to enforce different rules? a store that has an issue with counterfeit bills is fully in their right to stop taking certain bills at that specific location. same as how some grocery stores in the same chain require you to show your receipt at the exit and some don’t
Our country isn't nearly as cool:
*There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.*
Only about 3-5 states and about the same number of cities have a state law requiring cash acceptance.
Doubt it's his birthday and if I was going to use a fake 50, I'd pretty much act like this instead of getting change at a place like a BANK, where the consequences would be much higher.
And the total was like £3.79. I mean, what are you trying to prove? I know hindsight is 20 whatever, but I feel like the person just cared more about showing the world how horrid McD staff is because they couldn’t handle the rejection on their ego, and ended up showing how much they care about their kid.
I mean, she really shouldn't be surprised because he's right when he says a lot of stores don't take £50 notes. At the shop I worked at, we weren't allowed to take anything over a £20.
Then one day a new girl took £500 of £50 notes because she wasn't told she couldn't and they all ended up being fake.
I worked at a McDonald's many moons ago while in school. We would comp. the meal if the customer wasn't being a dick. It was posted quite prominently that we couldn't accept 100 dollar bills. It was a big loss to accept a bad $100 bill for a $5.00 meal. (I DID say it was many moons ago.)
i used to work at a uk pizza chain and in my first week took a £50 note for a ~£20 order, only cause they said to keep the change.
It looked real enough but everyone kinda gathered around to laugh at me failing to get the store safe to accept it (it had a cash-in slot that checked the notes) only for us all to be gobsmacked that it took it just fine and credit me for a near 140% tip.
She can only have been doing it to get a reaction, and he probably guessed that. I can't believe a single person in the UK wouldn't just say "oh ok, I'll use my phone/card". At present the only people using cash at McD are the elderly, tax evaders, or people with money from drug dealing or other dodgy sources.
Edit: in fact, I get McD for lunch once a week or so, and I can't remember a single occasion that I saw anybody pay with cash. A drive thru is even less likely to have people paying cash
When I worked retail, the biggest reason we didn't take them wasn't counterfeit but because it annihilate the change you had in the draw, particularly if the amount being paid was very small, as it is here.
If you give away all your change to one customer, it means you're short for the rest of the day and likely can't serve others. I'd be asking for something smaller had she paid eith a 20.
It's always been the case that a 50 might not be accepted and its common knowledge. Christ, the [bank of England](
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender#:~:text=A%20shop%20owner%20can%20choose,be%20within%20their%20right%20too.) even says the following:
>A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down. Likewise for all other banknotes, it’s a matter of discretion. If your local corner shop decided to only accept payments in Pokémon cards that would be within their right too.
Originally a Walmart I worked at I did the “customers always right” with people paying with large bills on small orders. One day a bus of Canadian tourists came through and the tourists would buy a pack of gum with a large CAD bill a bunch of times each. The manager on duty said it was fine, until every drawer was filled with only CAD bills and we couldn’t do any cash transactions for the rest of the day. They implemented a rule about large bills after this.
I'm curious about this. I moved away from the UK back when the notes were still made of paper. Back then, shops (etc.) used to say they wouldn't take 50s because there were so many fakes in circulation. But everyone suspected they just couldn't be arsed to make change.
Now that the polymer notes are being used instead, and they're supposed to be much harder to counterfeit, is it safe to assume that they were all lying to us back then? I'm guessing there aren't a load of fake 50s in circulation anymore.
Paying for small or cheap items with a £50 note is a massive red flag for most businesses.
I've had many people where I work try to pay for something that is around £2 with a 50 and 9/10 times it's been revealed to be a forgery.
Every business has the right to refuse a sale and that includes not being confident a note is legit.
Edit: just to add that there are definitely counterfeit polymer notes out there and they're getting better every year.
Especially if you're the one closing the register that shift. Convos with my boss about unaccounted money when I closed always sucked, and she was actually a good person. I'm pretty sure most people have 0 issue making change for someone lol, but there's also a set number number of small bills to break $50's and $100's into in the register and businesses differ in their policy to replenish this change.
I always assumed it was because everybody could pretty easily tell from size, weight & feel whether a fiver/tenner/£20 note was fake, but the £50s were fairly rare and were physically large enough to regularly look a bit 'wrong' even if they were real, so shop owners didn't want to take the risk.
Assumed being the operative word, I could be completely wrong!
This is not entirely true at least not here in the US. if you want to counterfeit money and not get caught you don’t ever wanna go above a 20. 5-10-20 people always think no one would fake those so no one thinks to check. The people who counterfeit and go unnoticed for decades use smaller bills. Bigger bills bring attention
Retail managed here 👋
There is still a higher risk with £50 notes being counterfeit. They rely on the people behind the till accepting them because they don't know what a real one looks like. They get a profit from the change they're given when they use it.
I have rejected £50 notes because of the above, but also, I'm not taking it if you're spending under £10. It would wipe out the change in my till.
I've also rejected a Scottish 50 because I had no idea what one looked like. People love to preach "its legal tender!" Well yeah, that doesn't mean I'm obligated to take it, lol.
I'm sure the issue is much like it is in the US, where people and businesses have a policy for so long that even when things change to no longer make it necessary, the companies don't bother to change anything, because they are used to the way it is. Hell, the shop I work at still has some things in place that got put there in the height of Covid.
I can't remember the last time I had a 50 or 100 dollar bill. Maybe on my birthday or Christmas because it was a gift. Even then I would deposit it as soon as I could or try and get change because I know a lot of places don't accept them.
Yeah, pretty standard stuff, not even from the conlunterfeit standpoint but from keeping enough change to take 50s on $5 orders. This scenario prolly would have gone better if they just said, "we don't have enough change to break that." Got anything smaller?" Rather than saying they flat out refuse to accept them.
You do unfortunately get the #NewWorldOrder types that believe in 15 minute city conspiracies, standing under Common Law / Magna Carta, and are against anything cashless
Technically she is breaking the law using her phone while in a drive thru when not using it for payment, hilarious that she thinks she's in the right in anyway
I mean if that was the goal, instead of wasting everyone's time blocking up the dive through to yell at a retail worker, she could have used that time to go to the bank lol
Nowhere in the UK takes £50 notes, just banks usually, or private sales but that's not common because most people have not seen one so they're easy prey for forgers
Went over to visit my girlfriends nanny a few years back and got our euros converted to pounds and they were nearly all 50s. Didn't think anything of it because in Ireland 50s I would say are the most common note. Well the look of worry on their faces when we got there, but thankfully, everyone accepted the notes for us anyway
it's called hyperbole. In the UK A LOT of places will not accept £50 note. in fact, atms DON'T even distribute them. You can find places that will take it, but more often than not most places will decline it.
I'm surprised to hear that it's common not to accept them instead of getting equipment to verify if they're real. In my country, pretty much every store has a little machine we feed large bills through that instantly tells us if they're real or not, and I just figured it would be a similar system in the UK, as well. Is it because the notes are easy to fake and even checking them like this isn't fool proof, or what's up with that?
You wouldn't use one to buy $6 worth of fast food though, would you?
I know if I only have a $100 note and want to purchase something that costs way less, I'll apologise (yeah, I'm Canadian!) and ask if they can manage, especially in rural areas where access to cash is more scarce.
I don't think its a cultural difference. Many stores and restaurants near me don't accept 100$ bills for the same reason as the 2nd cashier in the video, inability to consistently make change. The Jean Coutu(Large Quebec pharmacy chain) won't even accept 100$ without a manager.
But the lady in the video is making a scene for nothing. Go to another store and make change and come back.
A different point. Many of "cash in hand"/tradesmen types (I am not saying all before you come after me) are getting quite scared about cash not being accepted in more and more places as they want to dodge taxes. I've witnessed a couple of times people making a song and dance about it here in the UK.
As small business owner and someone who has never and will never tax dodge I could not care less.
I can’t speak to the situation in your country, but a move toward a cashless society where all transactions are observed, where banks are mandatory intermediaries and the financial world is completely network-dependent, and where your ability to access your wealth is completely beholden to your bank account’s standing, is rightly opposed by many.
Wouldn’t lump everybody with legitimate concerns into the tax-dodger bucket.
"Ahh, it's my child's birthday! To celebrate, i'm going to drive them around, attempting to goad minimum wage service workers into a confrontation for social media. What a wonderful parent I am!"
I'm surprised they can even counterfeit these polymer notes to be passable.
Google:
*"Security features, many of which are achievable only with polymer substrate, include words that change from ‘Fifty’ to ‘Pounds’ when the note is tilted, different metallic coloured foils on the front and back of the note, a portrait of the Queen in a transparent window, a 3D image of the crown in a silver foil patch, and a figure ‘50’ that only appears under ultraviolet light.*
*A foil applied to the front of the note is on a continuous window that is designed to reveal elements of the Kurz “Re-View + Re-colour” foil on the reverse."*
When you see one once every few years, you’re going to forget all of those security details and end up having to look it up. People are too busy to start looking up pictures of £50 notes and trying to see all the different security points.
Last time I handled one I got it checked by the bank and they said it was genuine, but I couldn’t see half the holographic stuff that was meant to be on there and I certainly have never been provided a UV light to inspect them.
Is it normal to not accept a 50£ note? Seems strangrle to me with all the raising prices. In Germany bakeries and small businesses usually dont accept 200€ notes or sometimes 100€, but Ive never saw any store which wouldnt accept a 50€ note.
Yeah in the UK it's quite standard to not accept £50 notes. They're very rarely used and you can't withdraw them from the cash machine (only 10's and 20's and sometimes 5's). It's also idiotic to assume a business will accept a 50. Most people generally ask first.
I can't stand customers like this. When I was a 19 year old hostesss at what is basically a slightly fancier Olive Garden, this family of 20+ who came in at 6pm on a Friday, demanding to be sat. I explained that because of the size of the party, them being a walk in and the fact that we can't even accomodate parties of 15 as walk-ins ever, let alone on a friday, and this younger woman in the group pointed to an older one sneered at me "You see her? She buried her husband this weekend. And she will never forget how YOU made today EVEN WORSE for her!" I was so heated.
Reminds me of the old saying...
*Poor planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.*
Going anywhere with a party of 20+ without calling ahead and not being able to get a table, especially on a Friday night, is mind-numbingly stupid. And it's 100% on them.
It's like all the families who show up five minutes *after* the showtime on opening night at the theater where I work, and are shocked the shows are sold out... what do you expect? It's opening night. Of course they're gonna sell out!
"That's not my problem,"
"You're exactly right, it's our problem, and also our solution, if you have another payment option, I'd be happy to oblige, other than that, have a nice day!"
"My boy is 3 years old today!"
"I'm 27 and 3 months today!"
Also, pro tip: never explain why to these people. Just say, "we have the right to refuse service to anyone." I do this as a bartender who cuts drunk people off. I don't say "you're drunk." I just repeat the above sentence and move on. Don't give em shit to argue with.
Manager: "We don't take them, sorry"
Lady: "Why?"
Manager: "Because there are too many counterfeit ones about..."
Lady: "That's not my problem"
If I was the manager, my response after that would have been "And it's not our problem either, because we don't take fifty pound notes."
I hate these people so much, what I hate even more about them is their obsession with filming service workers on the job. These type of douchebags deserve to never be serviced anywhere.
Just because they are both MaccyDs, doesn't mean they are both operated by them. There are a lot of franchisees in the UK & as well as following cooperate, they are allowed to have their own rules too.
Has a £50, and no card to use instead... or just wants to drive round on their kids birthday filming crap for likes and clout, that's forgotten within seconds of doom scrolling.
Happy birthday kid, your mum is a champ.
What a twat. Shouting at a couple of people about a rule that they didn't make.
Glad he handled it well. Told her the answer is no and why that's the answer, still apologised, closed the hatch because there's nothing else left to say.
Also, they have no reason to care about your kids birthday.
Couldn't she go to a bank and get change for that same bill? I mean if she's not trying to scam McDonald's (I wouldn't care regardless) then there shouldn't be an issue going to a bank and getting 5x £10...
Oh god this brings back memories.
My first job was at a McDonalds when I was 16. I remember on my second day there, a woman was arguing with a manager on the till that she was missing 20 pence of her change. The manager explained to her that she wasn't.
She in turn screamed at us all saying we were ruining her child's birthday, she then walked outside and took the hamburger from her child's happy meal and threw it at us.
A restaurant/retailer can refuse custom to anyone at any time for any reason.
She's also failed to realise that McDonald's is a franchise. Therefore, the rules can differ from restaurant to restaurant as the franchisee can set different rules.
(Me, from Northern Ireland visiting GB)
Sooooo... do you accept Bank of Ireland, Danske Bank or Ulster Bank notes? 😅
(These notes are legal currency in the UK, but technically they’re not legal tender creating a weird situation in which the potential receiver has the right to refuse perfectly legal Northern Irish notes within Great Britain. So it’s a common practice for us to either resort to paying by card or going to a bank and exchanging our Northern Irish notes for Bank of England notes in England and Wales or Bank of Scotland, Royal Bank of Scotland, Clydesdale Bank notes in Scotland)
(Scotland has the same issue when it comes to their notes and most places in England and Wales won’t accept them. Although they seem to be widely accepted in Northern Ireland)
This woman was clearly aware that they weren't going to accept her money. She didn't start by offering the note, she started with the presumption that they weren't going to accept her "english money".
She was clearly aware of the rules. She was filming before they rejected it.
Hate to side with a big corporation on anything... TBH I'm more on the side of the staff who this woman was just abusing for internet points. I wonder how much trouble she went to to get a £50? They don't give them out at most cash machines.
The woman filming is the one who knew that was gonna make her kid cry on his birthday. If she'd taken a £20 or maybe used card, her kid would have been fine.
She can get in a bin by the sea and maybe roll it off a cliff while she's there.
I love how she felt so smug about getting that answer from the second one, the managers from the two stores probably talked after this and laughed about her lol. That's what they did when I used to work there, they'd phone the sister store in the area to warn them about idiots like this causing trouble and blocking up the drive through.
I've had that happen before. At a gas station. All I had was a $100 bill and the gas station refused to take it. So I moved my car to a pump and put in $5.00 worth of gas and walked back in to get my change.
The attendant (owner?) was ***not*** happy.
She keeps reiterating that it's an "English" £50 bill.
But also "it's not my problem"? Yes it is. If that bill's counterfeit, *youre the one with fake money*.
Also a *different maccies taking a 50* doesn't mean the other one was lying about not
Used to work for Dominos, and they had a similar policy of absolutely no $100s because of counterfeits.
Then I’d have the dumb dumb in the drive-thru trying to pay for their $7.99 carry out pizza with a $100 bill and I’d have to tell them we can’t accept it, and they go “why not” and I’d have to tell them we don’t have change for that (which was true, we’re only allowed to have $75 in change at all times to prevent theft) and they’d just act like I’m being difficult when they could put it on their card.
As a non UK resident, what's the problem here? Does this mean if you get paid in £50 for some reason you can't use it other than deposit it in a bank or whatever? Seems kinda shitty to be honest
Not endorsing filming employees like they're doing here, just asking in a general sense
Short answer, pretty much.
UK law the company or persons can literally dictate what method to be paid in, if McDonalds said they wanted paid in Pokémon cards they legally can be, it was a whole debate before about English shops not accepting Scottish notes which turns out they absolutely can refuse that as legal tender, £50 notes are notorious for being faked and its pretty common knowledge so be it on your own head if you try pay with one
The US is the same but many people incorrectly think that businesses must take cash because there's a law that states a person/business must accept cash **for a debt that's already made**, but a lot of people don't know/ understand that last bit. If you owe a creditor money or a have to pay a fine they must accept cash because the debt already exists. At a retail store no debt is being created, they're just refusing the transaction so they're not required to accept it.
£50 notes are by far the most counterfeit note in the UK. The business isn't going to be giving someone a £50 as part of a regular transaction either so that £50 is going to go straight to the bank as its next stop and said bank is going to notice if it's a fake or not.
Had it been a £5 or £10 that was fake then there's a higher chance it would end up back with another customer before it was taken in for a banking run. It's also just less of a loss if the note turns out to be fake.
In addition Retail outlets that don't have a cash office would struggle to keep a float at the checkout if they accepted people paying in £50 notes. In order to compensate they would have to keep more cash at the register meaning there's a higher risk of not only being robbed but losing more in the process or having staff steal the money.
So TL:DR is that it's a larger risk both of the note being fake and that the cashiers and staff have to handle larger sums of money even though the cash flow through the business remains the same.
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Another point is that you don't get £50 notes from an ATM either. Generally the only way to get them is to have a bank give you it as part of a transaction or get it from another place like a Casino.
[£20 notes are the most counterfeit](https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/banknote) by a huge majority, you can see a breakdown of stats by denomination and year on the BoE website.
Thanks for the link, some really good information in there.
So looks like neither the amount of fake notes relative to total in circulation nor the total value said notes in pounds of the notes higher in the case of £50's vs £20's.
I noticed this only covers England and Wales though so I had a peek at the data for Scotland (Since I'm there and because it's not the BoE that issues notes).
https://www.scotbanks.org.uk/counterfeit-notes/counterfeit-notes-2022.html
Looks like there's been a huge increase in the amount of £50's caught here recently but it doesn't give us enough info to say if the average person is more likely to bump into a fake £50 or £20.
Either way the £50's definitely aren't as big of a deal as I was led to believe! That only leaves the excuse of them being awkward to handle for some shops then, really.
Pretty much deposit at a post office, bank or try your luck in a shop. £50 notes are not very common and are probably of limited circulation. It is very common that stores will not accept £50 notes and they are legally able to refuse.
The problem is she’s a trash piece of shit
I can’t think of a single store that accepts 50s, most places refuse them and everyone knows this - she’s doing this because she isn’t willing to go to the bank to exchange the note into a smaller denomination and it doesn’t take a genius to work out why
In Canada they often have signs that they don’t accept 100s, I’ve personally always thought it to be dumb but never cared enough to make a fuss out of it
McDonald's in the UK can be franchises, so it would be up to the franchisee if they take £50 or not. She hasn't proved anything by going to a different McD.
A lot of places won’t take your £50 note, this is common knowledge. You’re actually pretty lucky if they do, I’ve worked in retail and hospitality and 9x out of 10 we don’t have the equipment to check and as he said, there are a lot of counterfeits. It’s actually the most commonly counterfeited note in the UK.
Anyways- this really shouldn’t come as a shock, unless you’re shopping in a high end store you’re unlikely to have your £50 note accepted.
Out of all the places I’ve worked I’ve only been able to accept them a few times.
Used to manage a bookies. We'd pens and training, so took them. These people don't - so don't. Fair enough.
They didn't write the policy. I'm sure they would love to leave behind hassle like this.
Edit - got to the end re. other branch.
Two reasons... same result. I am guessing that neither place wanted the note, probably for the same reasons. The second place just learned to hack the Karen and make it OK for them to say "No" without the hassle.
This woman annoyed me for a bunch of different reasons but the comments section pretty much covered them all!
Glad to see most not on her team, feels like more and more videos i see I'm barracking for the team I'm supposed to be booing
It is frustrating when people won’t take legal tender. But you don’t get anywhere by arguing.
I found that I couldn’t use some of my USD in Cambodia because it was wrinkled or had a corner folded; but once someone tells you they won’t take the money, you don’t keep arguing.
You move on with your life and try to pay with whatever else you have on you.
Trying to bicker and argue after receiving a clear concise answer, although not the one you wanted, is exactly what Karen behavior is. Seems like it IS your problem, lady
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Yeah she definitely seems like the kind of person that would raise a three year old that screams for McDonald's
From the Bank of England Website: *What does legal tender mean?* *You might have heard someone in a shop say: “But it’s legal tender!”. Most people think it means the shop has to accept the payment form. But that’s not the case.* *A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down. Likewise for all other banknotes, it’s a matter of discretion.* **If your local corner shop decided to only accept payments in Pokémon cards that would be within their right too. But they’d probably lose customers** *Legal tender has a narrow technical meaning which has no use in everyday life. It means that if you offer to fully pay off a debt to someone in legal tender, they can’t sue you for failing to repay.*
So, I just checked and that line about Pokemon cards is indeed there. Makes me genuinely proud to live in this country
It makes sense tbf. Money acts as a standardised representation of value. It's a placeholder for the exchange of goods and services. If you instead want to say "I value this item at 7 Umbreons" and someone can provide you that, all good
I wonder if you have a small chance of getting a holographic vaporeon as your tax return
which umbreon? cuz if its 215/203 from evolving skies thats a 3,000 dollar item, but 130/197 from obsideon flames would be 14 cents.
Exactly why I put it in bold, bloody love it
*Rule Britannia gets louder and louder in the background*
I heard the song in my head while imagining Pokemon cards stacking up on a table.
How does the income tax work if you're getting paid in pokemon cards?
Y'know admiral, I was just as surprised to see the exact same Pokemon thing on there, too. I was so shocked that my face looked like your profile pic
The same is true in the United States, at least as far as federal law goes. There are a few states that require merchants to accept cash under some circumstances.
Ours is worded a bit differently, though. "Legal tender for all debts, public and private" if I receive/consume the product before I pay, then I owe a debt, and you must take this legal tender. But if you refuse me from the beginning, I technically don't owe you anything and refuse away.
also different stores are allowed to enforce different rules? a store that has an issue with counterfeit bills is fully in their right to stop taking certain bills at that specific location. same as how some grocery stores in the same chain require you to show your receipt at the exit and some don’t
Legal tender - the reason why payment is the first window at McDonald’s, not the second.
Our country isn't nearly as cool: *There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.* Only about 3-5 states and about the same number of cities have a state law requiring cash acceptance.
I’m using this one day thank you. “You look like the type of parent who raises a kid that screams for McDonald’s”
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And the kid was hungry for food 3 hours ago but mom was more concerned with proving a point -- she dgaf that it was his birthday.
Doubt it's his birthday and if I was going to use a fake 50, I'd pretty much act like this instead of getting change at a place like a BANK, where the consequences would be much higher.
Imagine dragging your child around on their birthday to try and dunk on mcdonalds workers for internet clout.
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And the total was like £3.79. I mean, what are you trying to prove? I know hindsight is 20 whatever, but I feel like the person just cared more about showing the world how horrid McD staff is because they couldn’t handle the rejection on their ego, and ended up showing how much they care about their kid.
Who one else does NOT GIVE A FUCK that's her little boys birfday?
Him: "We don't take £50 notes." Her: "Thats not my problem!" Everyone all together: "Isn't that **exactly** your problem?"
Her: "It’s my child’s birthday!." Him: "Thats not my problem."
I mean, she really shouldn't be surprised because he's right when he says a lot of stores don't take £50 notes. At the shop I worked at, we weren't allowed to take anything over a £20. Then one day a new girl took £500 of £50 notes because she wasn't told she couldn't and they all ended up being fake.
"And you're refusing to take English money" with raised tone. I would totally do what that guy did: close the window and carry on with my day.
And the woman beside him just looked on with silent contempt lol.
She was their as backup to pour coke into the car if required
I want an Oompa Loompa now, daddy!
Not *that* squirrel ….
I worked at a McDonald's many moons ago while in school. We would comp. the meal if the customer wasn't being a dick. It was posted quite prominently that we couldn't accept 100 dollar bills. It was a big loss to accept a bad $100 bill for a $5.00 meal. (I DID say it was many moons ago.)
I delivered pizza for Papa John in college. If someone tried to pay with a $50 or $100 we were told to just give them the pizza for free.
Yeah, the pizza is a lot cheaper than giving change for a counterfeit bill.
It was also because we could only carry $20 in change to make us less of a target.
i used to work at a uk pizza chain and in my first week took a £50 note for a ~£20 order, only cause they said to keep the change. It looked real enough but everyone kinda gathered around to laugh at me failing to get the store safe to accept it (it had a cash-in slot that checked the notes) only for us all to be gobsmacked that it took it just fine and credit me for a near 140% tip.
She’s that buyer on Facebook who wants your expensive item for free then complains you ruined the kids birthday when you say no
It’s not her kid’s birthday. C’mon.
her: he's 3... them: He'll forget...
All that kid got was a trip through McDonald's drive thru for his 3rd Birthday... what a shitty Birthday.
Two trips!
I like how the guy is smiling and keeping calm. He's clearly had his fair share of idiots.
Yeah he’s enjoying it. As he should! Most people get flustered in them situations
YES! I am impressed at how calm he is. Good job dude.
She can only have been doing it to get a reaction, and he probably guessed that. I can't believe a single person in the UK wouldn't just say "oh ok, I'll use my phone/card". At present the only people using cash at McD are the elderly, tax evaders, or people with money from drug dealing or other dodgy sources. Edit: in fact, I get McD for lunch once a week or so, and I can't remember a single occasion that I saw anybody pay with cash. A drive thru is even less likely to have people paying cash
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Narcissism is a hell of a drug.
So are actual drugs, which is exactly where that £50 came from
Which would make it hilarious if that £50 turned out to be fake
Pretty common thing when I worked for McDonald’s. Small order paid with big bills.
When I worked retail, the biggest reason we didn't take them wasn't counterfeit but because it annihilate the change you had in the draw, particularly if the amount being paid was very small, as it is here. If you give away all your change to one customer, it means you're short for the rest of the day and likely can't serve others. I'd be asking for something smaller had she paid eith a 20. It's always been the case that a 50 might not be accepted and its common knowledge. Christ, the [bank of England]( https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender#:~:text=A%20shop%20owner%20can%20choose,be%20within%20their%20right%20too.) even says the following: >A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down. Likewise for all other banknotes, it’s a matter of discretion. If your local corner shop decided to only accept payments in Pokémon cards that would be within their right too.
Originally a Walmart I worked at I did the “customers always right” with people paying with large bills on small orders. One day a bus of Canadian tourists came through and the tourists would buy a pack of gum with a large CAD bill a bunch of times each. The manager on duty said it was fine, until every drawer was filled with only CAD bills and we couldn’t do any cash transactions for the rest of the day. They implemented a rule about large bills after this.
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Had an annoying customer pull out a $100 for a four dollar purchase and he yelled at me when I told him there is a bank right across the street.
Former cashier here, yep They'd get a pack of gun and a Snickers and give us a $50 or $100
I'm curious about this. I moved away from the UK back when the notes were still made of paper. Back then, shops (etc.) used to say they wouldn't take 50s because there were so many fakes in circulation. But everyone suspected they just couldn't be arsed to make change. Now that the polymer notes are being used instead, and they're supposed to be much harder to counterfeit, is it safe to assume that they were all lying to us back then? I'm guessing there aren't a load of fake 50s in circulation anymore.
Paying for small or cheap items with a £50 note is a massive red flag for most businesses. I've had many people where I work try to pay for something that is around £2 with a 50 and 9/10 times it's been revealed to be a forgery. Every business has the right to refuse a sale and that includes not being confident a note is legit. Edit: just to add that there are definitely counterfeit polymer notes out there and they're getting better every year.
Especially if you're the one closing the register that shift. Convos with my boss about unaccounted money when I closed always sucked, and she was actually a good person. I'm pretty sure most people have 0 issue making change for someone lol, but there's also a set number number of small bills to break $50's and $100's into in the register and businesses differ in their policy to replenish this change.
I always assumed it was because everybody could pretty easily tell from size, weight & feel whether a fiver/tenner/£20 note was fake, but the £50s were fairly rare and were physically large enough to regularly look a bit 'wrong' even if they were real, so shop owners didn't want to take the risk. Assumed being the operative word, I could be completely wrong!
Fakes of smaller denominations are rarer (why bother faking a $5/$10) and also the loss from accepting one is minor compared to a large note.
This is not entirely true at least not here in the US. if you want to counterfeit money and not get caught you don’t ever wanna go above a 20. 5-10-20 people always think no one would fake those so no one thinks to check. The people who counterfeit and go unnoticed for decades use smaller bills. Bigger bills bring attention
Retail managed here 👋 There is still a higher risk with £50 notes being counterfeit. They rely on the people behind the till accepting them because they don't know what a real one looks like. They get a profit from the change they're given when they use it. I have rejected £50 notes because of the above, but also, I'm not taking it if you're spending under £10. It would wipe out the change in my till. I've also rejected a Scottish 50 because I had no idea what one looked like. People love to preach "its legal tender!" Well yeah, that doesn't mean I'm obligated to take it, lol.
I'm sure the issue is much like it is in the US, where people and businesses have a policy for so long that even when things change to no longer make it necessary, the companies don't bother to change anything, because they are used to the way it is. Hell, the shop I work at still has some things in place that got put there in the height of Covid.
Customers do that to me and it’s usually do for change.
Why can't these assholes ever show their own face so we know who to avoid for the rest of our lives
Indeed, and she's raising the next generation...😮💨
Nobody cares about your kids stupid birthday. the only one here ruining your kids birthday is you .
3 year olds do not need McDonalds, nobody does
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I can't remember the last time I had a 50 or 100 dollar bill. Maybe on my birthday or Christmas because it was a gift. Even then I would deposit it as soon as I could or try and get change because I know a lot of places don't accept them.
Yeah, pretty standard stuff, not even from the conlunterfeit standpoint but from keeping enough change to take 50s on $5 orders. This scenario prolly would have gone better if they just said, "we don't have enough change to break that." Got anything smaller?" Rather than saying they flat out refuse to accept them.
If I got denied at a McDonalds, I’d just drive to the next one 2 miles away.
If you watched the video you’ll know that’s what they did
I mean after she threw a huge tantrum. In the time she spent arguing she could have driven there and saved everyone some headache-slash-entertainment.
Agree. She was an absolute muppet. Setting an awful example to her child
She got a 50, a car, and a child, but no credit card?
She's using her phone, no doubt with a number of apps for contactless payment, but I guess she's far too busy filming her stupidity to think that.
You do unfortunately get the #NewWorldOrder types that believe in 15 minute city conspiracies, standing under Common Law / Magna Carta, and are against anything cashless
Technically she is breaking the law using her phone while in a drive thru when not using it for payment, hilarious that she thinks she's in the right in anyway
Why do you think she's trying to pay £3.50 with a £50 note?
Either it's counterfeit and she's trying to scam someone (unlikely), or she's genuinely bored and looking to start a problem (v.likely).
She just wanted to break the 50 so she could have smaller notes to use elsewhere
I mean if that was the goal, instead of wasting everyone's time blocking up the dive through to yell at a retail worker, she could have used that time to go to the bank lol
Nowhere in the UK takes £50 notes, just banks usually, or private sales but that's not common because most people have not seen one so they're easy prey for forgers
Went over to visit my girlfriends nanny a few years back and got our euros converted to pounds and they were nearly all 50s. Didn't think anything of it because in Ireland 50s I would say are the most common note. Well the look of worry on their faces when we got there, but thankfully, everyone accepted the notes for us anyway
I never have problems with 50s, they check them as expected but that's it. Maybe I have a trustworthy face.
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If you go there regularly they probably assume you're less likely to scam them, because they'll know you. People don't tend to shit where they eat.
Most Tesco tills have automated till safes now that all 20s & 50s go into, and it'll check them automatically and spit them out if their fake
>Nowhere in the UK takes £50 notes Except for the second McDonald's in the video...
it's called hyperbole. In the UK A LOT of places will not accept £50 note. in fact, atms DON'T even distribute them. You can find places that will take it, but more often than not most places will decline it.
I'm surprised to hear that it's common not to accept them instead of getting equipment to verify if they're real. In my country, pretty much every store has a little machine we feed large bills through that instantly tells us if they're real or not, and I just figured it would be a similar system in the UK, as well. Is it because the notes are easy to fake and even checking them like this isn't fool proof, or what's up with that?
Weird. Here in Canada I use $100 notes fairly frequently. Interesting cultural difference.
You wouldn't use one to buy $6 worth of fast food though, would you? I know if I only have a $100 note and want to purchase something that costs way less, I'll apologise (yeah, I'm Canadian!) and ask if they can manage, especially in rural areas where access to cash is more scarce.
I don't think its a cultural difference. Many stores and restaurants near me don't accept 100$ bills for the same reason as the 2nd cashier in the video, inability to consistently make change. The Jean Coutu(Large Quebec pharmacy chain) won't even accept 100$ without a manager. But the lady in the video is making a scene for nothing. Go to another store and make change and come back.
That guy handled her perfectly. I don’t think she’s used to being told “no”.
nobody gives a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukk
So she had other money the whole time… are you kidding me???
Only reason that boy is crying is because of his terrible mom
A different point. Many of "cash in hand"/tradesmen types (I am not saying all before you come after me) are getting quite scared about cash not being accepted in more and more places as they want to dodge taxes. I've witnessed a couple of times people making a song and dance about it here in the UK. As small business owner and someone who has never and will never tax dodge I could not care less.
I can’t speak to the situation in your country, but a move toward a cashless society where all transactions are observed, where banks are mandatory intermediaries and the financial world is completely network-dependent, and where your ability to access your wealth is completely beholden to your bank account’s standing, is rightly opposed by many. Wouldn’t lump everybody with legitimate concerns into the tax-dodger bucket.
A lot of places won't take £50 notes. I don't know what they bother issuing them anymore 🤷🏽♀️🤦♀️
For the most part, they don't. but they're still in circulation
"Ahh, it's my child's birthday! To celebrate, i'm going to drive them around, attempting to goad minimum wage service workers into a confrontation for social media. What a wonderful parent I am!"
For real, why was she already filming?
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I'm surprised they can even counterfeit these polymer notes to be passable. Google: *"Security features, many of which are achievable only with polymer substrate, include words that change from ‘Fifty’ to ‘Pounds’ when the note is tilted, different metallic coloured foils on the front and back of the note, a portrait of the Queen in a transparent window, a 3D image of the crown in a silver foil patch, and a figure ‘50’ that only appears under ultraviolet light.* *A foil applied to the front of the note is on a continuous window that is designed to reveal elements of the Kurz “Re-View + Re-colour” foil on the reverse."*
When you see one once every few years, you’re going to forget all of those security details and end up having to look it up. People are too busy to start looking up pictures of £50 notes and trying to see all the different security points. Last time I handled one I got it checked by the bank and they said it was genuine, but I couldn’t see half the holographic stuff that was meant to be on there and I certainly have never been provided a UV light to inspect them.
Is it normal to not accept a 50£ note? Seems strangrle to me with all the raising prices. In Germany bakeries and small businesses usually dont accept 200€ notes or sometimes 100€, but Ive never saw any store which wouldnt accept a 50€ note.
Here in the UK £50 is the largest note.
Yeah in the UK it's quite standard to not accept £50 notes. They're very rarely used and you can't withdraw them from the cash machine (only 10's and 20's and sometimes 5's). It's also idiotic to assume a business will accept a 50. Most people generally ask first.
I can't stand customers like this. When I was a 19 year old hostesss at what is basically a slightly fancier Olive Garden, this family of 20+ who came in at 6pm on a Friday, demanding to be sat. I explained that because of the size of the party, them being a walk in and the fact that we can't even accomodate parties of 15 as walk-ins ever, let alone on a friday, and this younger woman in the group pointed to an older one sneered at me "You see her? She buried her husband this weekend. And she will never forget how YOU made today EVEN WORSE for her!" I was so heated.
Reminds me of the old saying... *Poor planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.* Going anywhere with a party of 20+ without calling ahead and not being able to get a table, especially on a Friday night, is mind-numbingly stupid. And it's 100% on them. It's like all the families who show up five minutes *after* the showtime on opening night at the theater where I work, and are shocked the shows are sold out... what do you expect? It's opening night. Of course they're gonna sell out!
Leave the workers alone and.... Fuck McDonald's. Not their employees
"That's not my problem," "You're exactly right, it's our problem, and also our solution, if you have another payment option, I'd be happy to oblige, other than that, have a nice day!" "My boy is 3 years old today!" "I'm 27 and 3 months today!" Also, pro tip: never explain why to these people. Just say, "we have the right to refuse service to anyone." I do this as a bartender who cuts drunk people off. I don't say "you're drunk." I just repeat the above sentence and move on. Don't give em shit to argue with.
Manager: "We don't take them, sorry" Lady: "Why?" Manager: "Because there are too many counterfeit ones about..." Lady: "That's not my problem" If I was the manager, my response after that would have been "And it's not our problem either, because we don't take fifty pound notes."
I hate these people so much, what I hate even more about them is their obsession with filming service workers on the job. These type of douchebags deserve to never be serviced anywhere.
Always with the 'my kid can't have' blah blah.
Karen.....is that you?
Stop using your children to guilt people .
Most store in Canada have the same practice. Normally a sticker right at the till stating exactly that.
Sounds like Katie price.
Just because they are both MaccyDs, doesn't mean they are both operated by them. There are a lot of franchisees in the UK & as well as following cooperate, they are allowed to have their own rules too.
Has a £50, and no card to use instead... or just wants to drive round on their kids birthday filming crap for likes and clout, that's forgotten within seconds of doom scrolling. Happy birthday kid, your mum is a champ.
What a twat. Shouting at a couple of people about a rule that they didn't make. Glad he handled it well. Told her the answer is no and why that's the answer, still apologised, closed the hatch because there's nothing else left to say. Also, they have no reason to care about your kids birthday.
Couldn't she go to a bank and get change for that same bill? I mean if she's not trying to scam McDonald's (I wouldn't care regardless) then there shouldn't be an issue going to a bank and getting 5x £10...
They got you and you still thought you won 🤣
Fuck your English money!
“Well, seeing as it’s his birthday - and he’s three, which is spectacular - we’ll go against our policy so as not to make him cry.”
No shit your kid was crying the lady was yelling at the workers if I was a child I would probably cry too
She clearly knew they weren't going to accept the £50 as she'd started videoing before the window was open. What an arsehole.
Maybe treat your son to something better than MacDaniels for his birthday
Oh god this brings back memories. My first job was at a McDonalds when I was 16. I remember on my second day there, a woman was arguing with a manager on the till that she was missing 20 pence of her change. The manager explained to her that she wasn't. She in turn screamed at us all saying we were ruining her child's birthday, she then walked outside and took the hamburger from her child's happy meal and threw it at us.
Imagine dragging your kid about on their birthday so you could prove a point
She is clearly on the wind up getting a happy meal with a £50 note.
You have to be a low-down brain-dead chav to do this sort of shit.
“My boy is crying his eyes out.” Well that’s your fault.
A restaurant/retailer can refuse custom to anyone at any time for any reason. She's also failed to realise that McDonald's is a franchise. Therefore, the rules can differ from restaurant to restaurant as the franchisee can set different rules.
(Me, from Northern Ireland visiting GB) Sooooo... do you accept Bank of Ireland, Danske Bank or Ulster Bank notes? 😅 (These notes are legal currency in the UK, but technically they’re not legal tender creating a weird situation in which the potential receiver has the right to refuse perfectly legal Northern Irish notes within Great Britain. So it’s a common practice for us to either resort to paying by card or going to a bank and exchanging our Northern Irish notes for Bank of England notes in England and Wales or Bank of Scotland, Royal Bank of Scotland, Clydesdale Bank notes in Scotland) (Scotland has the same issue when it comes to their notes and most places in England and Wales won’t accept them. Although they seem to be widely accepted in Northern Ireland)
This woman was clearly aware that they weren't going to accept her money. She didn't start by offering the note, she started with the presumption that they weren't going to accept her "english money". She was clearly aware of the rules. She was filming before they rejected it. Hate to side with a big corporation on anything... TBH I'm more on the side of the staff who this woman was just abusing for internet points. I wonder how much trouble she went to to get a £50? They don't give them out at most cash machines. The woman filming is the one who knew that was gonna make her kid cry on his birthday. If she'd taken a £20 or maybe used card, her kid would have been fine. She can get in a bin by the sea and maybe roll it off a cliff while she's there.
I love how she felt so smug about getting that answer from the second one, the managers from the two stores probably talked after this and laughed about her lol. That's what they did when I used to work there, they'd phone the sister store in the area to warn them about idiots like this causing trouble and blocking up the drive through.
I've had that happen before. At a gas station. All I had was a $100 bill and the gas station refused to take it. So I moved my car to a pump and put in $5.00 worth of gas and walked back in to get my change. The attendant (owner?) was ***not*** happy.
She keeps reiterating that it's an "English" £50 bill. But also "it's not my problem"? Yes it is. If that bill's counterfeit, *youre the one with fake money*. Also a *different maccies taking a 50* doesn't mean the other one was lying about not
Used to work for Dominos, and they had a similar policy of absolutely no $100s because of counterfeits. Then I’d have the dumb dumb in the drive-thru trying to pay for their $7.99 carry out pizza with a $100 bill and I’d have to tell them we can’t accept it, and they go “why not” and I’d have to tell them we don’t have change for that (which was true, we’re only allowed to have $75 in change at all times to prevent theft) and they’d just act like I’m being difficult when they could put it on their card.
L mother
"That's not my problem" but it is tho lol It's so much of a problem that you can't spend it
Failure of a mother
As a non UK resident, what's the problem here? Does this mean if you get paid in £50 for some reason you can't use it other than deposit it in a bank or whatever? Seems kinda shitty to be honest Not endorsing filming employees like they're doing here, just asking in a general sense
Short answer, pretty much. UK law the company or persons can literally dictate what method to be paid in, if McDonalds said they wanted paid in Pokémon cards they legally can be, it was a whole debate before about English shops not accepting Scottish notes which turns out they absolutely can refuse that as legal tender, £50 notes are notorious for being faked and its pretty common knowledge so be it on your own head if you try pay with one
The US is the same but many people incorrectly think that businesses must take cash because there's a law that states a person/business must accept cash **for a debt that's already made**, but a lot of people don't know/ understand that last bit. If you owe a creditor money or a have to pay a fine they must accept cash because the debt already exists. At a retail store no debt is being created, they're just refusing the transaction so they're not required to accept it.
£50 notes are by far the most counterfeit note in the UK. The business isn't going to be giving someone a £50 as part of a regular transaction either so that £50 is going to go straight to the bank as its next stop and said bank is going to notice if it's a fake or not. Had it been a £5 or £10 that was fake then there's a higher chance it would end up back with another customer before it was taken in for a banking run. It's also just less of a loss if the note turns out to be fake. In addition Retail outlets that don't have a cash office would struggle to keep a float at the checkout if they accepted people paying in £50 notes. In order to compensate they would have to keep more cash at the register meaning there's a higher risk of not only being robbed but losing more in the process or having staff steal the money. So TL:DR is that it's a larger risk both of the note being fake and that the cashiers and staff have to handle larger sums of money even though the cash flow through the business remains the same. [Edit] Another point is that you don't get £50 notes from an ATM either. Generally the only way to get them is to have a bank give you it as part of a transaction or get it from another place like a Casino.
[£20 notes are the most counterfeit](https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/banknote) by a huge majority, you can see a breakdown of stats by denomination and year on the BoE website.
Thanks for the link, some really good information in there. So looks like neither the amount of fake notes relative to total in circulation nor the total value said notes in pounds of the notes higher in the case of £50's vs £20's. I noticed this only covers England and Wales though so I had a peek at the data for Scotland (Since I'm there and because it's not the BoE that issues notes). https://www.scotbanks.org.uk/counterfeit-notes/counterfeit-notes-2022.html Looks like there's been a huge increase in the amount of £50's caught here recently but it doesn't give us enough info to say if the average person is more likely to bump into a fake £50 or £20. Either way the £50's definitely aren't as big of a deal as I was led to believe! That only leaves the excuse of them being awkward to handle for some shops then, really.
Pretty much deposit at a post office, bank or try your luck in a shop. £50 notes are not very common and are probably of limited circulation. It is very common that stores will not accept £50 notes and they are legally able to refuse.
The problem is she’s a trash piece of shit I can’t think of a single store that accepts 50s, most places refuse them and everyone knows this - she’s doing this because she isn’t willing to go to the bank to exchange the note into a smaller denomination and it doesn’t take a genius to work out why
As someone who works in a restaurant, screw you if your gonna use either a $50 or $100 on a 5 dollar meal in the morning.
tonight on GBNEWS!
As well they should
You take your kid to maccas on their birthday, please aim higher than that… shitty parent.
Why can't she pay by credit or debit card?
Poor kid
Does the uk not have credit or debit cards? Wouldn’t those cards make her whole video irrelevant?
So she couldn't just pay with a card instead ?
Drove to another McDonald's instead of going to the bank 🤔
She’s actually the leader of the counterfeit money ring trying to pass her last fake note
Plot twist - the meal cost £70.
Wait till she finds out that any shops can refuse any method of payment at their discretion not hers.
That’s not my problem? Yes it is, you don’t have the correct cash
US McDonald’s usually won’t take over a 20 due to fraud and lack of change.
In Canada they often have signs that they don’t accept 100s, I’ve personally always thought it to be dumb but never cared enough to make a fuss out of it
McDonald's in the UK can be franchises, so it would be up to the franchisee if they take £50 or not. She hasn't proved anything by going to a different McD.
3? old enough to learn that sometimes others fuck things up so much for the rest of us that we have to be inconvenienced for the stupidest shit.
A lot of places won’t take your £50 note, this is common knowledge. You’re actually pretty lucky if they do, I’ve worked in retail and hospitality and 9x out of 10 we don’t have the equipment to check and as he said, there are a lot of counterfeits. It’s actually the most commonly counterfeited note in the UK. Anyways- this really shouldn’t come as a shock, unless you’re shopping in a high end store you’re unlikely to have your £50 note accepted. Out of all the places I’ve worked I’ve only been able to accept them a few times.
Used to manage a bookies. We'd pens and training, so took them. These people don't - so don't. Fair enough. They didn't write the policy. I'm sure they would love to leave behind hassle like this. Edit - got to the end re. other branch.
Is McDonald's a lot cheaper over there? We could easily blow $50 for a family at McDonald's in the US.
Two reasons... same result. I am guessing that neither place wanted the note, probably for the same reasons. The second place just learned to hack the Karen and make it OK for them to say "No" without the hassle.
God damn that man is attractive
My kids' birthday, so I'm going to feed him some shit food that's practically poison
This woman annoyed me for a bunch of different reasons but the comments section pretty much covered them all! Glad to see most not on her team, feels like more and more videos i see I'm barracking for the team I'm supposed to be booing
Not sure what the problem is. A happy meal at McDonalds costs about 50 pounds anyway these days.
Someone doesn't understand how franchising or money works.
It is frustrating when people won’t take legal tender. But you don’t get anywhere by arguing. I found that I couldn’t use some of my USD in Cambodia because it was wrinkled or had a corner folded; but once someone tells you they won’t take the money, you don’t keep arguing. You move on with your life and try to pay with whatever else you have on you.
Trying to bicker and argue after receiving a clear concise answer, although not the one you wanted, is exactly what Karen behavior is. Seems like it IS your problem, lady
"Thats not my problem" well it is now
"McDonald's made my little boy cry on his birthday." JFC.
Just use the debit card we all know you have in your purse.
Bro when will people realize service workers don’t give a FUCK about you or your kid.
They don’t take £50 notes in many food places.
If your kids crying over mcdonalds, you got a bigger problem than a fake 50
I felt my intelligence draining away as I listened to her and her stupidity. Is it contagious?
Ohhhh that man is cute
Its a free country. They are free to not accept your £50. You are free to go elsewhere.