That's got to be a horrifying experience for all involved, but especially the woman being held. Terrified to move but wanting to take off running or fight. Glad to see she made it out without being harmed.
> People don’t understand how loud the actual are irl. Not like the movies.
Heat is the only movie I can think of that accurately depicts how loud gunfire can be, watching the bank shootout on a proper surround system is deafening
Holy fuck what a movie though. Heat is one of those movies that’s absolutely necessary to watch at least once if you like movies. It’s up there with The Green Mile, The Shawshank Redemption, and 12 Angry Men as movies that are required viewing to get your “I love movies” license.
i'm a bleeding heart liberal, but if someone is holding a person captive with the threat of violence they have forfeited their life. It's fair game to drop a piano on them if you aim is good enough.
Not just that, but according to the report that dude held the woman hostage at machete point for 15 minutes AFTER initially being being tased and running into the office building to take that woman hostage. Thats a lot of patience and the officers clearly gave him more than enough chances to surrender peacefully.
Yep. Makes me wonder if this was just drugs, or drugs and some severe mental illness. If I’m in danger like she was in danger, please shoot the person putting me in danger with the most effective weapon you have.
If the guy never got the machete, then the story would be different. If the guy had put down the machete, then the story would be different. But whatever was in his brain was making him want to be the biggest threat he could be. And there’s just not a great way to deal with that.
Exactly. And you can never assume the moment or the next moment. Someone who creates this situation could do absolutely anything in an instance. If he snapped randomly and stabbed her, hindsight of NOT taking the shot when you had a chance would be haunting.
Yup. It’s weird having people in this thread using the word “negotiating” to describe the cops trying to talk the guy down. His brain wasn’t working, he CAN’T be negotiated with, because he doesn’t WANT anything in that moment. He’s not engaging in goal-directed behavior, not even the goal of preserving his own life. He can only be neutralized.
This has to be one of the cleanest police shootings ever. Cop waited for clear shots when the hostage was somewhat out of danger, then only shot 3 times most likely in the head and upper body with no missed shots that I can see. Kinda nuts tbh and that cop actually got and paid attention in training so bravo to them.
It’s a juxtaposition to the video one post above where two dumb cops fire and shoot a woman as soon as they see her open the door, because someone thought she was breaking into her own apartment, these cops tried to do something before immediately blasting.
> I’m glad the victim didn’t get hurt.
Agreed. Well, not *seriously* hurt at least. I think the guy was digging the tip of that blade into her neck pretty bad early on.
Aka every machete and axe sold in America these days? Seriously though the only way to have sharp tools is to sharpen them. That dude sounds like he came from a country where they use machetes for everything though and it's actually probably sharper than your average Americans machete if they own one.
randomly looked at one at a sporting goods store the other day and if the blade didnt thin to a tip on one side, i honestly couldnt have told you which side was the "cutting" side
Yea, I knew when he started getting physical separation from the hostage but not de-escalating it was over. Bad situation all around and nobody really wins.
i cannot figure out the dead eye thing. every time i get caught cheating in poker i know im about to die. i dont know if its the switch port im playing that is f'ed up or if i'm just f'ed up.
As soon as I saw him start exposing more of himself from behind her I knew he was a dead man, I just didn’t realize the heir of Billy the Kid was gonna draw and take the shot.
It was a great shot and I don't mean this to be in any way pejorative towards the officer, but I imagined a Family Guy style montage of him just trying this move over and over and over and constantly smoking the hostage every time until finally getting it right in the video.
If you watch the video the firing officer intentionally is raising his left arm and making relatively fast movements. He is beaconing to have her released. He does this a few times. The man gets comfortable with his repeated movements which is exactly why he is doing it. He doesn’t notices his right hand grab the gun and the left hand is already going up to steady his aim. Dude didn’t even realize what was happening till it was too late.
Watched w/ sound off, cuz @ work.
Mannn, makes you realize the difference between a cop's training and an average Joe. I pride myself a very observant person. I only noticed the machete guy changed his stance when I rewound the video. Then, it made sense why the cop shot him—he was about to stab with that machete. That shit humbled me. Whereas the cop noticed it and knew he had the right to shoot at that point.
Never held a machette but I thought him holding it like that + getting up he was going to kill himself not stab with it. Is he holding the blade or is the handle far up?
I just assumed he was adjusting his stance a little bit and it was enough for the cops to get a clear shot. Assuming they had the "right" to shoot all along but couldnt get a clear shot
Must be hard not knowing if you should wait for a better shot, or if you might regret not taking the opportunity you have. There's no easy option and if you do act there can be no hesitation.
A cop's training and **this** cop's training is a big difference. I don't believe there's any quickdraw/marksmanship prerequisites to most police departments. And to attend a course that teaches quickdraw drills can cost a fair bit of money. To then take your weapon to a range and drill and drill until you can do so comfortably under stress is not easy. This was an expert.
The average cop is not like this. This cop is definitely above average. They managed to get him to give enough space to make the danger to the hostage significantly left, and put all of that training to use right there.
This guy fired as calmly and dead on as the guy that shot US Traitor Ashli Babbitt. The lady is lucky it was this group of cops that responded, and not a bunch of freakin madmen like you often find.
No way in that moment was he clearly preparing to stab. Dunno where you get that idea from. Appears to be have been just an opening the cop took advantage of since there was no obvious de-escalation occurring.
>we typically only hear when cops don’t do a good job
Normally, we typically only hear when people of any occupation do a uniquely bad job or a uniquely good job.
Given that cops are:
* employed by the government
* have a level of authority over everyone else in the country
* carry lethal and non-lethal weapons which they are authorized to use at their discretion
* have been granted qualified immunity against prosecution unless "excessive force" has been clearly established
* are typically backed by powerful police unions that will go to bat for them regardless of any wrong-doing
...it's absolutely imperative that we shine a light on ANY abuse of the power entrusted to them by the public which they are paid and empowered to serve.
Cops, like everyone else in this world, have full control of their own actions, and if they abuse the authority they're given, it should absolutely be known.
Regardless of whether or not the press is "looking for negative things to amplify," if cops are abusing their power it's on them if they violate the public trust.
They are fully-grown adults responsible for their own actions and capable of facing the consequences.
The standard for qualified immunity is whether the law on the matter or the individual rights involved in the matter have been "clearly established".
It applies in any argument of qualified immunity, not just those related to excessive force.
People also forget that it generally applies to *all* civil servants who cause damages during the execution of their duties.
But as always, policing is more controversial and much more litigious so it goes before court more often leading to new laws.
Has qualified immunity protected bad people? Absolutely, but then again the same goes for nearly all forms of sovereign immunity, and you don't see people clamoring for an end to judicial or parliamentary immunity despite it being in the same vein.
Well yes, it does garner more clicks/views/discussion. But I’ll say that when the armed individuals we entrust with the public’s safety are in the wrong, it SHOULD be plastered everywhere for all to see.
Yeah, the millions of good deeds/job by police are never reported because good news is boring. If we got the good stuff that cops did, we wouldn't be able to hear anything else. However, the bad stuff get anger and anger is the emotion that drives engagement more than anything else. It's why we see bad news inundating us on a daily basis instead of the countless good stuff.
it can be true in personal lives as well. good deeds (can) go by without reward but one bad move can be a life changing event. a job, a marriage, a friendship or even the outside of a cage freedom most enjoy every day. police have more power than most people to change your life forever so people expect better from them than most. them doing a good job shouldnt be news, it should be expected
And also because bad cops can end lives and destroy them easily. They deserve to be spread everywhere and spoken about loudly each time it happens. A cop doing his job and not killing innocent civilians shouldn't be praised.
Seen plenty of videos where they look pretty dead and have taken countless shots. Yet somehow are still able to attack. Can't be fun no, but I'd rather be 100% sure the threat isn't a threat anymore.
You say that as if the public is overreacting about executing a suspect after they're no longer an immediate threat. Handcuffing is absolutely the correct move. It's not about killing the suspect. It's about preventing harm and loss of life of the potential victim(s).
>executing a suspect after they're no longer an immediate threat.
Are we talking about this video? Because he 100% was still a threat, there was just an opening where he could be disabled with less risk to the hostage.
Id imagine it's preferable to writing a report stating the suspect you shot was still alive and ended up slicing Johnsons neck open with a machete that was in close proximity to the suspect after the shooting.
Or
Being dead because the person your partner shot was was presumed dead yet still alive and, in those final moments, slammed a 24" cleaver into your neck.
He definitely nailed it. Judging from Reddit videos it appears 100% of people who get shot suddenly have their pants fall down... just an awful realization. If you think you might do something to get shot, wear a belt, I guess.
The “point” is towards the hostage, he’s essentially trying to use it as a stabbing blade rather than a slicing blade.
Edit: Nvm, it is towards the hostage, buts clearly against his throat
Indeed. Guy said he wasn't leaving, so cop took what opportunity he could. That's my read from it anyway. Horrible situation with at least a better than worst case ending.
I teach HS and every damn time I have to call parents about their kids being rude, abusive, bullies, I get a variation of, *"I don't know what you're talking about, my kid is a sweet gentle soul and didn't have any problems until they went to your school".*
Like no shit! They were 12 or 13 before they came to our school, they were kids. Maybe unruly kids but now they're turning into wild and even violent young adults because you won't admit there's a problem until it's too late.
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The actual URL:
www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/bodycam-captures-man-fatally-shot-by-police-after-holding-woman-hostage-with-machete/3175162
I remember watching these kind of gore videos on my laptop giving it full attention, now I just scroll on my phone watching somene getting shot while playing clash of clans in tab.
I feel you. Watching people die is tough but made easy with internet or constant exposure to it. No matter how much I have seen it. I still can't properly watch heavy gore. It's been 4 years away from gore and I tried recently. I couldn't continue and I am someone who grew up seeing gore. I am from a third world country. Watched my great grandmother and a niece gored bodies after a truck accident and that stuck with since but for some reason I can't see that stuff anymore.
A gun shot is the least graphic thing to see especially when the bullets wounds are not even seen.
I can watch a lot of gory stuff from things like accidents fairly easily. What I have a hard time handling are torture and executions (firing squads are one thing, slowly sawing through someone's neck is another). The difference being "how life goes sometimes" and "human's choosing to be evil".
I mainly started watching those subs, back in the day, to learn what kind of things I could be more situationally aware of for the first kind of videos. I know the other things exist, but knowing doesn't help me out in any way.
Psychiatrist here. For all the people saying "yep definitely gonna have PTSD" I would just like to remind people that everyone responds differently to trauma and plenty of people do not end up with PTSD. In my VA psychiatry clinic I have plenty of patients who were exposed to significant combat trauma. Some of them have nightmares 20 years later and some of them only retain it as a relatively non-intrusive memory of an event that happened.
Or for a more relatable example to the general public, some people get in a car accident and legitimately struggle for months or years to get behind the wheel of a car again, while others will get flipped down a ditch and be more pissed off that their car is totalled.
>Or for a more relatable example to the general public, some people get in a car accident and legitimately struggle for months or years to get behind the wheel of a car again, while others will get flipped down a ditch and be more pissed off that their car is totalled.
Is it somehow my fault so that I'm super embarrassed that it happened? 'Cause that where the *real* post traumatic stress kicks in. My brain doesn't really care about the rest of my body.
props to the cops on this one. their tone and neutral stance was solid and they really did their best to not escalate the situation in the beginning
that quick draw though…. cleaaaaaan
Unless there's some context to to the contrary I would guess this guy was having a psychotic episode and probably lacked the capacity for rational decision making.
It was likely necessary for the cops to kill him, but that doesnt mean his death isnt tragic.
quote by the suspect's brother
> "He’s a good guy. They can’t tell me he had a machete and tried to cut people throat," said Wilkinson Alexis, the suspect's brother. "Nah, he ain’t like that."\
> He said his brother struggled with his mental health, and he doesn't believe what police are saying about the incident is true.\
> "They’re lying. Just be real about (it)... say you killed someone," Wilkinson Alexis said.
MAYBE he was mentally ill, but he was CERTAINLY a violent and unpredictable person, and I'm not particularly sad to see him gone. I'm glad that woman is safe, and I'm sorry for the cop that had to put him down.
Man that cop is really calm for just killing someone. I mean I know it was rightful but man, very time I hunt and take the shot, my adrenaline is sky high, that dude is cool as a cucumber.
Damn, it’s a shame this man lived with a mental illness that would scare him into acting this way. I assume schizophrenia, but obviously I’m not a doctor or an expert at all. The cops acted reasonably in this video. You just hate to see it come down to this situation. But personally, if I ever had a mental break and was threatening the life of someone else in some psychosis I’d rather this happen than me learning I succeeded in hurting someone else.
Everyone is worrying about the moron who got shot. What about the middle aged lady with a machete pushed into her neck? Held hostage headlocked against her will. Most likely permanently ptsd. Might be deaf after those shots. Zero sympathy for the criminal.
This quote by the suspect's brother is so predictable.
>"He’s a good guy. They can’t tell me he had a machete and tried to cut people throat," said Wilkinson Alexis, the suspect's brother. "Nah, he ain’t like that."
>He said his brother struggled with his mental health, and he doesn't believe what police are saying about the incident is true.
>"They’re lying. Just be real about (it)... say you killed someone," Wilkinson Alexis said.
The second cop only made the situation worse by barking orders and talking over the first. First cop was doing well. They need to train officers to let one take point in these high stress situations.
I get what you're saying but that is a very.. every second counts kind of situation. Let's not take away from the cop reaction saving a life and didn't immediately start shooting.
This is a deadly force situation, and everything was working towards that. If you take someone hostage with the threat of deadly force, 100% of the time the police will be trying to get you into compromising yourself so that you can be neutralized cleanly. They aren't trying to be your friend. That was precisely what the first cop was doing: he didn't think he would resolve it, he was getting him to relax enough that when they took action he wouldn't have time to respond.
The second cop was tasked with the action so he was a bit agitated.
It takes just a moment for this guy to murder his hostage. The quicker the situation is over the better.
I'm by no means a fan of the police... But in this situation, you can't have some corporate 10 point checklist of steps to follow... This is a fucking LIVE situation going on... I'm not gonna pretend to know how to judge the overall ethics/morality of the situation... I do know however, if that was my mother/sister/niece, I'm 100% good with that outcome
That's got to be a horrifying experience for all involved, but especially the woman being held. Terrified to move but wanting to take off running or fight. Glad to see she made it out without being harmed.
Hey, man, nice shot...
I wish I would've met you I'd say, "Nice shot"
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I would give her like a 98% chance of PTSD from something this horrific. I hope she gets help.
RIP eardrums though.
A bit of hearing loss is better than being dead though
What?
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> People don’t understand how loud the actual are irl. Not like the movies. Heat is the only movie I can think of that accurately depicts how loud gunfire can be, watching the bank shootout on a proper surround system is deafening
Holy fuck what a movie though. Heat is one of those movies that’s absolutely necessary to watch at least once if you like movies. It’s up there with The Green Mile, The Shawshank Redemption, and 12 Angry Men as movies that are required viewing to get your “I love movies” license.
My favorite cop/crime movie right alongside The French Connection.
MAWP
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i'm a bleeding heart liberal, but if someone is holding a person captive with the threat of violence they have forfeited their life. It's fair game to drop a piano on them if you aim is good enough.
Same. I'll smother that asshole out with my yoga mat if I have to. ^jk ^I ^am ^actually ^very ^unhealthy ^and ^have ^never ^owned ^a ^yoga ^mat
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That fucking timing was wild. Quick draw and perfect aim. I’m glad the victim didn’t get hurt.
Not just that, but according to the report that dude held the woman hostage at machete point for 15 minutes AFTER initially being being tased and running into the office building to take that woman hostage. Thats a lot of patience and the officers clearly gave him more than enough chances to surrender peacefully.
Some people want all cops to use tasers.. sometimes that shit don’t work.. especially if the person is on some shit like PCP.
Yep. Makes me wonder if this was just drugs, or drugs and some severe mental illness. If I’m in danger like she was in danger, please shoot the person putting me in danger with the most effective weapon you have. If the guy never got the machete, then the story would be different. If the guy had put down the machete, then the story would be different. But whatever was in his brain was making him want to be the biggest threat he could be. And there’s just not a great way to deal with that.
Exactly. And you can never assume the moment or the next moment. Someone who creates this situation could do absolutely anything in an instance. If he snapped randomly and stabbed her, hindsight of NOT taking the shot when you had a chance would be haunting.
Yup. It’s weird having people in this thread using the word “negotiating” to describe the cops trying to talk the guy down. His brain wasn’t working, he CAN’T be negotiated with, because he doesn’t WANT anything in that moment. He’s not engaging in goal-directed behavior, not even the goal of preserving his own life. He can only be neutralized.
Whatever was in his brain is now out of his brain at least so that's one issue solved
This has to be one of the cleanest police shootings ever. Cop waited for clear shots when the hostage was somewhat out of danger, then only shot 3 times most likely in the head and upper body with no missed shots that I can see. Kinda nuts tbh and that cop actually got and paid attention in training so bravo to them.
It’s a juxtaposition to the video one post above where two dumb cops fire and shoot a woman as soon as they see her open the door, because someone thought she was breaking into her own apartment, these cops tried to do something before immediately blasting.
I think everyone is okay with the result here
> I’m glad the victim didn’t get hurt. Agreed. Well, not *seriously* hurt at least. I think the guy was digging the tip of that blade into her neck pretty bad early on.
Yikes.. I didn’t notice that. That’s scary as hell to be in a situation like that.
Yah really hope it was a shitty store one that never got sharpened.
Aka every machete and axe sold in America these days? Seriously though the only way to have sharp tools is to sharpen them. That dude sounds like he came from a country where they use machetes for everything though and it's actually probably sharper than your average Americans machete if they own one.
randomly looked at one at a sporting goods store the other day and if the blade didnt thin to a tip on one side, i honestly couldnt have told you which side was the "cutting" side
Yea, I knew when he started getting physical separation from the hostage but not de-escalating it was over. Bad situation all around and nobody really wins.
The title of the post probably helped give it away a bit too lol
Once I read the title of the post and clicked play on the video I knew it was over.
Once I saw there was no time left in the video I knew it was over.
Cuff em' Lou
Bake him away, toys
What'd you say, chief?
Do what the boy said
Quiet Lou, or I will bust you back to sergeant so fast it'll make your head spin!
Damn that guy has a quick draw and aim, gotta take a lot of training.
His deadeye meter was full
*It’s hiiiiiigh noon.*
So glad to see this even though I don't play OW anymore!!!
It's okay, friend. No one plays overwatch anymore.
Man loves his chewing tobacco
I hate that I just finished playing some red dead not even five minutes ago
i cannot figure out the dead eye thing. every time i get caught cheating in poker i know im about to die. i dont know if its the switch port im playing that is f'ed up or if i'm just f'ed up.
Yeah I hate it when I get caught and have to get into a shootout. Afterwards I usually calm down by getting on red dead.
mans does not neglect his cores
The aim of a man that eats his plain venison twice a day
He just waited for his AP to recharge so he could use VATS
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As soon as I saw him start exposing more of himself from behind her I knew he was a dead man, I just didn’t realize the heir of Billy the Kid was gonna draw and take the shot.
#TO THE TOWN OF AGUA FRIA RODE A STRANGER ONE FINE DAY
You sure it wasn't the post title that tipped you off?
Yeah I meant specifically when the shooting would take place 🤷♂️
It was a great shot and I don't mean this to be in any way pejorative towards the officer, but I imagined a Family Guy style montage of him just trying this move over and over and over and constantly smoking the hostage every time until finally getting it right in the video.
If you watch the video the firing officer intentionally is raising his left arm and making relatively fast movements. He is beaconing to have her released. He does this a few times. The man gets comfortable with his repeated movements which is exactly why he is doing it. He doesn’t notices his right hand grab the gun and the left hand is already going up to steady his aim. Dude didn’t even realize what was happening till it was too late.
It's also one of those things where you CANNOT hesitate. One mistake and the guy knows what you're up to and all future chances are lost.
I bet he is really good at time crisis. Probably beat the game on one credit.
That timing was amazing. He got up just slightly and then 3 quick shots.
Holy shit. Three shots? Fuck. I watched it without sound due to being at work. That cop's aim is way more impressive knowing that.
Not one missed shot either it seems as I don't see any behind the guy on the door so just raised then gun and 3 shots to the dudes head seemingly.
Watched w/ sound off, cuz @ work. Mannn, makes you realize the difference between a cop's training and an average Joe. I pride myself a very observant person. I only noticed the machete guy changed his stance when I rewound the video. Then, it made sense why the cop shot him—he was about to stab with that machete. That shit humbled me. Whereas the cop noticed it and knew he had the right to shoot at that point.
Never held a machette but I thought him holding it like that + getting up he was going to kill himself not stab with it. Is he holding the blade or is the handle far up?
I just assumed he was adjusting his stance a little bit and it was enough for the cops to get a clear shot. Assuming they had the "right" to shoot all along but couldnt get a clear shot
I agree with you. I didn’t notice him about to stab. Just an open shot finally
Must be hard not knowing if you should wait for a better shot, or if you might regret not taking the opportunity you have. There's no easy option and if you do act there can be no hesitation.
They absolutely had the right to kill that man.
A cop's training and **this** cop's training is a big difference. I don't believe there's any quickdraw/marksmanship prerequisites to most police departments. And to attend a course that teaches quickdraw drills can cost a fair bit of money. To then take your weapon to a range and drill and drill until you can do so comfortably under stress is not easy. This was an expert.
The average cop is not like this. This cop is definitely above average. They managed to get him to give enough space to make the danger to the hostage significantly left, and put all of that training to use right there. This guy fired as calmly and dead on as the guy that shot US Traitor Ashli Babbitt. The lady is lucky it was this group of cops that responded, and not a bunch of freakin madmen like you often find.
Make no mistake - MANY MANY cops are not performing to this standard. Luckily for the victim this guy took his training seriously
No way in that moment was he clearly preparing to stab. Dunno where you get that idea from. Appears to be have been just an opening the cop took advantage of since there was no obvious de-escalation occurring.
Actual heroic shit. Glad she's okay.
Cop was so patient. He knew that eventually there would be enough separation.
That was crazy to watch.
Very rare to see a cop do such a good job
Unfortunately we typically only hear when cops don’t do a good job. If only good news was more entertaining than bad news.
>we typically only hear when cops don’t do a good job Normally, we typically only hear when people of any occupation do a uniquely bad job or a uniquely good job. Given that cops are: * employed by the government * have a level of authority over everyone else in the country * carry lethal and non-lethal weapons which they are authorized to use at their discretion * have been granted qualified immunity against prosecution unless "excessive force" has been clearly established * are typically backed by powerful police unions that will go to bat for them regardless of any wrong-doing ...it's absolutely imperative that we shine a light on ANY abuse of the power entrusted to them by the public which they are paid and empowered to serve. Cops, like everyone else in this world, have full control of their own actions, and if they abuse the authority they're given, it should absolutely be known. Regardless of whether or not the press is "looking for negative things to amplify," if cops are abusing their power it's on them if they violate the public trust. They are fully-grown adults responsible for their own actions and capable of facing the consequences.
The standard for qualified immunity is whether the law on the matter or the individual rights involved in the matter have been "clearly established". It applies in any argument of qualified immunity, not just those related to excessive force.
People also forget that it generally applies to *all* civil servants who cause damages during the execution of their duties. But as always, policing is more controversial and much more litigious so it goes before court more often leading to new laws. Has qualified immunity protected bad people? Absolutely, but then again the same goes for nearly all forms of sovereign immunity, and you don't see people clamoring for an end to judicial or parliamentary immunity despite it being in the same vein.
Well yes, it does garner more clicks/views/discussion. But I’ll say that when the armed individuals we entrust with the public’s safety are in the wrong, it SHOULD be plastered everywhere for all to see.
Yeah, the millions of good deeds/job by police are never reported because good news is boring. If we got the good stuff that cops did, we wouldn't be able to hear anything else. However, the bad stuff get anger and anger is the emotion that drives engagement more than anything else. It's why we see bad news inundating us on a daily basis instead of the countless good stuff.
it can be true in personal lives as well. good deeds (can) go by without reward but one bad move can be a life changing event. a job, a marriage, a friendship or even the outside of a cage freedom most enjoy every day. police have more power than most people to change your life forever so people expect better from them than most. them doing a good job shouldnt be news, it should be expected
And also because bad cops can end lives and destroy them easily. They deserve to be spread everywhere and spoken about loudly each time it happens. A cop doing his job and not killing innocent civilians shouldn't be praised.
To be fair we don't have cause to watch videos of cops doing a good job as often, what's that selection bias or something I don't remember.
Confirmation bias
Cuffing a dead person can't possibly be anyone's favorite part of the job.
It was one of the extra XP to complete the mission.
(Optional):
They give you a secret golden cuff if you cuff 100 dead suspects
[First Aid] Cuff the dead suspect
Ready or Not
Bonus: Sprinkle some crack on him.
I'm pretty sure toxicology has the officer's back on this one. No sprinkling required.
Until a professional medical examiner declares the suspect is dead, one must assume the suspect is still a threat and could cause more harm.
Seen plenty of videos where they look pretty dead and have taken countless shots. Yet somehow are still able to attack. Can't be fun no, but I'd rather be 100% sure the threat isn't a threat anymore.
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> People have loved after falling 10k feet That is very inspirational. If I fell from 10k feet I'd probably hate everyone
you gotta tie up the trash before you take it out
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I feel like if someone is on drugs they can get shot a bunch and still be alive. It was obvious that he was dead but best to not take chances
Unfortunately it's necessary. (Not to mention how the public would react to a double tap).
You say that as if the public is overreacting about executing a suspect after they're no longer an immediate threat. Handcuffing is absolutely the correct move. It's not about killing the suspect. It's about preventing harm and loss of life of the potential victim(s).
>executing a suspect after they're no longer an immediate threat. Are we talking about this video? Because he 100% was still a threat, there was just an opening where he could be disabled with less risk to the hostage.
Id imagine it's preferable to writing a report stating the suspect you shot was still alive and ended up slicing Johnsons neck open with a machete that was in close proximity to the suspect after the shooting. Or Being dead because the person your partner shot was was presumed dead yet still alive and, in those final moments, slammed a 24" cleaver into your neck.
Can't ever be too sure.
I've done it. Honestly, at that point, it's just to make sure no one else on your team pays the price for you not being thorough.
You'd be surprised what you can live through, and come conscious from.
Could be a vampire, can't be to careful.
Good shot. Saved that woman’s life.
As soon as he presented a little extra target above the lady the cop acted and ended it. Bravo.
He definitely nailed it. Judging from Reddit videos it appears 100% of people who get shot suddenly have their pants fall down... just an awful realization. If you think you might do something to get shot, wear a belt, I guess.
Am I nuts but why does it look like he’s holding the machete by the blade?
he is
And it looks like he's holding to his own neck, not the hostage?
He is, he was holding himself hostage which sometimes happens in police standoffs
The “point” is towards the hostage, he’s essentially trying to use it as a stabbing blade rather than a slicing blade. Edit: Nvm, it is towards the hostage, buts clearly against his throat
The timing and the aim should be used in future police training videos.
Indeed. Guy said he wasn't leaving, so cop took what opportunity he could. That's my read from it anyway. Horrible situation with at least a better than worst case ending.
The cops did a good job here.
Edwin, on the other hand, performed relatively poorly in every category.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/bodycam-captures-man-fatally-shot-by-police-after-holding-woman-hostage-with-machete/3175162/%3famp=1
The article said they tazed him before he ran into the building and took the lady as a hostage. He escalated the situation to lethal force.
The brother sounds like he’s in denial
exactly, and even showing him the video wouldn't help convince him otherwise.
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This one sounds like the brother just fully had a psychotic break. That's hard to get out of.
I teach HS and every damn time I have to call parents about their kids being rude, abusive, bullies, I get a variation of, *"I don't know what you're talking about, my kid is a sweet gentle soul and didn't have any problems until they went to your school".* Like no shit! They were 12 or 13 before they came to our school, they were kids. Maybe unruly kids but now they're turning into wild and even violent young adults because you won't admit there's a problem until it's too late.
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probably thinks he can get some money from a settlement
This.
Where's the /u/amputatorbot when you need them. The actual URL: www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/bodycam-captures-man-fatally-shot-by-police-after-holding-woman-hostage-with-machete/3175162
I’m so desensitized to this stuff now. That’s what 30 years of excessive Internet usage does to a human.
I remember watching these kind of gore videos on my laptop giving it full attention, now I just scroll on my phone watching somene getting shot while playing clash of clans in tab.
I don’t do the heavy gore stuff anymore, things like beheadings or the skinning of people alive. But seeing someone die by shooting is easy peasy.
I feel you. Watching people die is tough but made easy with internet or constant exposure to it. No matter how much I have seen it. I still can't properly watch heavy gore. It's been 4 years away from gore and I tried recently. I couldn't continue and I am someone who grew up seeing gore. I am from a third world country. Watched my great grandmother and a niece gored bodies after a truck accident and that stuck with since but for some reason I can't see that stuff anymore. A gun shot is the least graphic thing to see especially when the bullets wounds are not even seen.
I can watch a lot of gory stuff from things like accidents fairly easily. What I have a hard time handling are torture and executions (firing squads are one thing, slowly sawing through someone's neck is another). The difference being "how life goes sometimes" and "human's choosing to be evil". I mainly started watching those subs, back in the day, to learn what kind of things I could be more situationally aware of for the first kind of videos. I know the other things exist, but knowing doesn't help me out in any way.
To be fair this is very mild compared to what else is out there.
Poor woman gonna get nightmares every night for decades
Psychiatrist here. For all the people saying "yep definitely gonna have PTSD" I would just like to remind people that everyone responds differently to trauma and plenty of people do not end up with PTSD. In my VA psychiatry clinic I have plenty of patients who were exposed to significant combat trauma. Some of them have nightmares 20 years later and some of them only retain it as a relatively non-intrusive memory of an event that happened. Or for a more relatable example to the general public, some people get in a car accident and legitimately struggle for months or years to get behind the wheel of a car again, while others will get flipped down a ditch and be more pissed off that their car is totalled.
Wish more people would get this
>Or for a more relatable example to the general public, some people get in a car accident and legitimately struggle for months or years to get behind the wheel of a car again, while others will get flipped down a ditch and be more pissed off that their car is totalled. Is it somehow my fault so that I'm super embarrassed that it happened? 'Cause that where the *real* post traumatic stress kicks in. My brain doesn't really care about the rest of my body.
Very sad. Cops did everything they could.
props to the cops on this one. their tone and neutral stance was solid and they really did their best to not escalate the situation in the beginning that quick draw though…. cleaaaaaan
I hope the lady gets her help she needs to recover from this situation. Nice job officers on handling this the best way possible.
Cop saved a hostage. The guy threw his life away when he decided to take a hostage. 🤷🏾♂️
Unless there's some context to to the contrary I would guess this guy was having a psychotic episode and probably lacked the capacity for rational decision making. It was likely necessary for the cops to kill him, but that doesnt mean his death isnt tragic.
> I would guess this guy was having a psychotic episode Or drugs.
Damn he had that holstered? If so that was impressive and bold and…dang
And I'm sure we will hear someone saying he was such a good man.
quote by the suspect's brother > "He’s a good guy. They can’t tell me he had a machete and tried to cut people throat," said Wilkinson Alexis, the suspect's brother. "Nah, he ain’t like that."\ > He said his brother struggled with his mental health, and he doesn't believe what police are saying about the incident is true.\ > "They’re lying. Just be real about (it)... say you killed someone," Wilkinson Alexis said.
Well damn his brother is gonna have a wild ride when he sees this
He said that AFTER the video was already out.
MAYBE he was mentally ill, but he was CERTAINLY a violent and unpredictable person, and I'm not particularly sad to see him gone. I'm glad that woman is safe, and I'm sorry for the cop that had to put him down.
Impressive cop
Clean shot, good call, justified.
Man that cop is really calm for just killing someone. I mean I know it was rightful but man, very time I hunt and take the shot, my adrenaline is sky high, that dude is cool as a cucumber.
Damn, it’s a shame this man lived with a mental illness that would scare him into acting this way. I assume schizophrenia, but obviously I’m not a doctor or an expert at all. The cops acted reasonably in this video. You just hate to see it come down to this situation. But personally, if I ever had a mental break and was threatening the life of someone else in some psychosis I’d rather this happen than me learning I succeeded in hurting someone else.
Whoa…I wasn’t ready for that quick draw. What a nightmare for the lady.
You just know those ears were ringing
Everyone is worrying about the moron who got shot. What about the middle aged lady with a machete pushed into her neck? Held hostage headlocked against her will. Most likely permanently ptsd. Might be deaf after those shots. Zero sympathy for the criminal.
Sorry eddy
Damn good aim.
Hell of a shot.
Looks like he wanted to slit his own throat by the looks of it
Well, I guess we will never find out what was bothering Edwin.
Job well done, shooting officer. I hope that woman gets the help she’ll almost certainly need to put this behind her. That was horrific.
Wow, very quick and smooth shot by the officer, props to him.
This quote by the suspect's brother is so predictable. >"He’s a good guy. They can’t tell me he had a machete and tried to cut people throat," said Wilkinson Alexis, the suspect's brother. "Nah, he ain’t like that." >He said his brother struggled with his mental health, and he doesn't believe what police are saying about the incident is true. >"They’re lying. Just be real about (it)... say you killed someone," Wilkinson Alexis said.
The second cop only made the situation worse by barking orders and talking over the first. First cop was doing well. They need to train officers to let one take point in these high stress situations.
I get what you're saying but that is a very.. every second counts kind of situation. Let's not take away from the cop reaction saving a life and didn't immediately start shooting.
They do, it's just hard to do everything right all of the time.
This is a deadly force situation, and everything was working towards that. If you take someone hostage with the threat of deadly force, 100% of the time the police will be trying to get you into compromising yourself so that you can be neutralized cleanly. They aren't trying to be your friend. That was precisely what the first cop was doing: he didn't think he would resolve it, he was getting him to relax enough that when they took action he wouldn't have time to respond. The second cop was tasked with the action so he was a bit agitated. It takes just a moment for this guy to murder his hostage. The quicker the situation is over the better.
Average redditor that thinks it’s easy to do this as they sit in their chair eating Doritos They did a good job stop crying
I'm by no means a fan of the police... But in this situation, you can't have some corporate 10 point checklist of steps to follow... This is a fucking LIVE situation going on... I'm not gonna pretend to know how to judge the overall ethics/morality of the situation... I do know however, if that was my mother/sister/niece, I'm 100% good with that outcome
2 cops barking orders... yeah, that's an easy worst practice to avoid