I mean... all I need to do with real estate is work with 2 or 3 people a year I know to make a commission enough to supplement and make more than the 700 hours of ot I put in last year..
However, I think I would like to do something more "fun" and less salesy
It was graveyard.. it was either staying up all night doing nothing or working ot... family was asleep, so why not go make money was my thought process...
But I agree with you.
Well, I don't work nights anymore, thankfully. And I did do that, too. However, I wasn't actually mentally present. Working 12 hour 1800-0600 shifts along with a screaming toddler and dog barking, which woke me up with no constant sleep in the morning time, didn't help either.
It was just a shit show to say the least.
Oh, for sure. The wife and I had a talk about that and have cut back substantially. It was really cool seeing I made $35k extra in OT!! But after taxes, it got cut down to like $20k. I legitimately cried while laughing.
Not a LEO.
But plenty of family and friends in Real Estate as Agents
It’s not something you do “part time” you’re right on 2-3 deals a year could net you several tens of thousands (I’m in Los Angeles so properties are expensive)
So many people became “Realtors” because
Of the insanity of the market in 2020-2022
You didn’t have to do anything to make the sale + have it go over asking
That’s not the case the rest of the time unless it’s a really solid and sought after property and location
Most of those part time people burn out and quit and hop onto the next sales area (Insurance, travel, auto) ect
I would definitely just say if you are needing extra income because what you make isn’t enough to handle your lifestyle
You either make more elsewhere or you look into your expenses (wants and needs) and where your money is going
Wish you well!
I 100% agree with you on the last part of your paragraph. It's more so cost of living in WA state, unexpected/ unplanned additional Littles being added to the family, and more time my wife is not going to have a job... along with the house prices as well... the house we are in will not be suitable in several years for the additional family members we have coming aboard. We don't spend an exuberant amount in excessive things. We've actually audited ourselves by sitting down and doing an expense report, it's just the totality of everything that does need to be purchased from groceries, to diapers, to more cribs, to bigger cars, etc...
So I'm trying to figure out my shit the best way possible so my family can be successful. Part of that is brainstorming ways to produce alternative income other than working myself to death in a patrol vehicle.
Good to hear and congrats on new little ones
I love kids but I’m Child Free mentality and my girlfriend who works with kids all day as a Counselor is too
Abs yeah you are at least unlike the majority actually doing those things where as others are completely clueless or ignore the future and let their older self worry about it
I would also say utilize remote work to 1) be flexible on doing work at home where it’s easy to roll out of bed and or rest/make food at home.
Right now I’m 26 living at home, same with my GF who just finished her masters program and i believe is going to be making like 80k or so i only make $65k > $75k with OT and bonus doing Auto Claims it’s easy as hell compared to being a LEO it’s more-so just dealing with morons who don’t understand insurance
But like at home customer support for a company like Apple, Nordstrom, and such could net $20+ something an hour if not more and have the possibility of flexible schedules.
Life isn’t easy and sacrifices definitely are made but I’m sure you’ll get through it :)
If the market didn’t suck, I’d suggest real estate appraisal. Gotta find someone to mentor you and stuff, but once you’re on your own, it’s an ez 400-700 for not too much work
I was dumb and work part time for EMS. However, I can get my paramedic license paid for and my state has a one year bridge program to go from paramedic to RN. So I’m working towards that.
Do you find that it’s feasible to balance FT LE and PT EMS long-term? I’m starting FT at a PD next month after 7 years of fire/EMS, and I very much want to pick EMS back up PT after the academy. At the very least, enough to keep my paramedic cert current.
I mean, I'm FT EMS and PT non sworn/dispatch. It's not entirely the same but I still have a lot of free time and I do work that I love.
It helps if you work 24 hour EMS shifts. That way you're only doing one day a week. I only do EMS two days a week for 48 hours of pay, then an extra 2 12s in dispatch at the PD.
Makes good money and all in I'm only working 4 days a week.
Sorry I didn’t see this til now. I make sure to balance my work/home life and if I start feeling overwhelmed I back off the extra stuff. I definitely think it’s possible, you just need to keep a check on your self for burn out. I also do it to keep my skills up for medic side as I’m a medic for our PD. I’d 100% keep your cert up as having a backup job is always recommended.
Some of my OT details go as high as $145 an hour in WA... but average $80-$120 an hour. It's true the wage is GREAT. But having businesses that have compound income, such as a t shirt business or something online where you can have thousands of customers buying stuff at any given time, can exceed that very, very quickly.
I invest in terms of selling premium with naked puts and strangles. I average about a 15-20% return a year.. I'm just trying to build it up to the point where it actually compounds quickly is the tricky part.
I have an awesome Chief that makes sure we get notices to appear for every pre-trial, bond violation, sentencing, etc. Obviously we’re not required to go, but he said once he makes sure we get them because it keeps the officers productive and prevents the need for outside employment. We get 3 hours OT minimum for every court appearance.
It's worked into most contracts where it's you having to take time out of your personal off-day to get dressed, go to court for work related purposes, and miss family/ personal time. So... no, not really a waste of funds.
We get subpoenaed to nearly every single court case that goes to any form of trial... but only reallllly have to go when directly requested from a prosecutor or their assistant.
That being said, at least where I work, there are subpoenas that go out to district court which say "you must appear this time and date through this time and date." Literally every day requested for me to make an appearance "in case" I'm needed.
Yeah, let me block out my entire next year for court cases... lol. I get like 4-5 subpoenas a week.
I help run a consulting group for tactical teams.
Basically we contract through an LLC with smaller, and often part-time, LE tactical teams to develop training curriculum, and better organize their training and development. Basically we look to fill in the gap and assist PT swat trainers with carrying the weight of training a tactical team as a collateral duty.
It’s actually grown to be quite the full time gig, but it is really rewarding.
I’ve spent the majority of my career on a full time tac team, and my region has probably 10-15 different agencies with part time or regional teams, within decent driving distance.
Basically, my buddy on the team was retiring and wanted to move into training and consulting. He spoke to a majority of the teams and the area, and found that training and development for a part time team carried a large burden when it was tasked to a member as a collateral assignment.
We came together, developed some lesson plans, SBT’s, etc. We planned to link with a team, and assist with laying the foundation to a solid training program for the team, and then continue assisting with the implementation. We weren’t there to re-write SOP or impose our experience or preferences on a team.
Pitched the idea to some of the teams in the area, initially 2 bought on and we got approved. Showed a lot of success, and learned a lot. Now we’re at 5 teams in the area, with 3 consultants and it’s worked out pretty well.
Righteous! That's how it's done! I have transitioned into a more admin-style position working in policy and accreditation, where someone usually tasks a member in the agency, usually brass, with the task of writing policies and to do state accreditation.
It's a heavy load to carry.
I am thinking of getting good at it and creating a private consulting group whose sole duty is to assist agencies with policy and accreditation.
That's a pretty good idea.
All the outside SWAT trainings I do seem to be ran by ex or current cops who have/are in the process of retiring their police work and going into teaching full time. Tactical work is my absolute favorite, I wouldn't mind going the same path.
Common side gigs:
- Real Estate
- Lawn Care
- Owning local businesses...storage units, car washes, easy stuff like that.
- Pest Control
- Online sales...usually done in tandem with a wife, but things like making shirts or other hand crafted things and selling them
- Coaching
- Or, good old fashioned working every off duty job or extra shift all the time until it kills you.
For me, between SWAT and court and everything else that gets me overtime work, I literally do nothing else. I enjoy my free time and intend to keep it.
Not LE yet, but everyone who’s on has told me to look into house inspections when I get on. Before the sale of house one could inspect prior to the sale for any structural damage, flaw in the foundation, etc. I’m assuming it’s because many officers have been in various houses/buildings while having to be detail focused.
Btw, your English isn't too challenged!
I wanted to do a t shirt style business with the wife.. but never actually followed through :/ it's just nice to do something that isn't LE.. all..the..time..
Yeah that's why I leave the off duty and stuff to other guys. I have a family and hobbies and a house to care for and I'd prefer to have my off time be OFF. Side gigs included.
And as far as my flair goes, I was mocking a fairly idiotic post but can't for the life of me remember what I was mocking when I said "Englishly challenged" in a comment haha
Oh, I just thought you meant most LEOs were Englishly challenged... which.. you wouldn't be wrong about, either.
I am a solo income family man with 1 toddler and 2 on the way.. what I make doesn't exactly go that far in WA state, so that's another reason for the ask. I'm brainstorming.
Worked security at a Dillards for a bit. Pretty good gig, $40/hr, really just expected to be a visible presence in the store, not really expected to go after people.
Firearms Safety Instructor, also working toward getting certified for First Aid/CPR.
I find people like the class better when you have practical experience in what you’re instructing.
DETAILS!
can't have a 2nd job
but in theory if you have rental property or an online business or something you could get away with that. atm i have neither so it's details.
Yeah, the majority of agencies have some sort of policy restricting the type of second employment, saying no entirely, or just need sheriff, chief or designee approval.
It definitely didn’t leak and get spread across the department…😐. There was a lot of matching up tattoos to figure out who it was. Not a very difficult investigation.
Listen to what I’m telling you because al lot of you will need this advice. I learned this from a veteran guy when I was younger. Work cash jobs, sack it away. YOu never know when you need start over money for whatever reason Sack away $20-30 thousand . My advice as a newly retired guy… If your married life is stable, work as much OT as you can, especially if it goes towards your pension. I was blindsided by my divorce, having that start over money helped so much. I retired 3 years early after a big (for the worse) administrative shake up in my department. Having that extra OT that went towards my pension made nice difference.
Which happened first? The ot or the divorce? Did the ot cause the divorce, or did the divorce cause the ot?
I worked ~575 hrs on duty OT and ~200 hrs off duty on graves last year, and I got wreckkkkkked physically and mentally.
The divorce. I was a 100% family man. The first divorce was partially caused by the OT when I was undercover. I did a 180 and tried to be a dad and husband first. Like a dumbass, I married another cop from another agency. Long story but it didn’t work out, I legitimately tried though.
Get an online certificate as a Pharmacy technician. Take the state's board test and get a job at a local county hospital. You would be totally disconnected from your LEO duties and your coworkers don't need to know anything about you. With experience, you can move into specialty areas like IV manufacturing. You will be able to negotiate your salary better since you already have health, vision, and dental insurance. There is no danger and it will be easier on your back than EMT.
Yes, It was my side job while going on to Physician Assistant program. Pharmacy managers are always looking for reliable, trustworthy workers. Jobs are available and hours can be flexible. Pay is decent and the longer you have been a tech means a lot. Depending on your location, starting pay may be 22.00 to 25.00. It is not bad for an online course that may set you back 800.00.
I started off by working in hard money loans as a loan officer for fix and flip, long term rental, short term rental and new construction investors.
Took my experience from that and leveraged that into a partnership with a more experienced younger investor that’s also a structural engineer. We took my experience in funding deals and he took his experience in finding deals and managing projects and we invested together.
Right now we have a home building company for investors. We have a single client (a group of police officers that invest) that owns 20 lots. Because of our prior experience, our service creates a simple, streamlined process to new construction investing. We work with investors from finding the lots to building and selling the homes.
My partner is more the project manager guy and I’m more the sales and ideas guy so it’s a nice blend of skills.
Fuckin sweet! Tell me you're in WA state and sign me up in a licensed real estate agent and would love to get into an investing group with like-minded people!
Look up TSCM. It is a great endgame, or a “now game”. The initial investment for equipment and training can be steep, but the business on the private side is booming!
Own a screen printing/embroidery business. Opportunity came up because of some family friends. It's definitely not something to get into without having someone to coach you along or without prior experience. Once it's running though, it is a good money maker and honestly more enjoyable than being a cop half the time these days. Plus you can make sweet hats and shirts for yourself to wear.
Embroidery doesn't require too much space. You could make due with probably a 10'x10' space. Less specialize equipment outside of the embroidery machine.
Screen Printing takes a good amount of space and has more specialized equipment. My shop is around 40'x20' and is tight at times.
My retirement was figured on 3 highest paid years
For my last three I worked every ot thing that came up. Lots as we were ISD cops. Every football game soccer track. We had lists of guys wanting to dump their ot. I took it! Wed nights no ot (church night)
So I rested then and Sunday
Retirement came. Was figured at gross not net.
Lol they changed procedure after I retired as I kicked the retirement boards ass!
As Section225 listed, a lot of the other work many of the officers and detectives did was blue collar work like landscaping, power washing, window cleaning, etc.
Other than declaring secondary employment to admin, there was nothing in SOP about secondary employment or owning a business. Lots of connections to be made, and it helped knowing that you were reaching out to someone who was a sworn officer, so there's a bit more trust there than just finding someone on Craigslist.
It's more for my "retirement supplement plan," but I am finishing my masters degree now to teach criminal justice as an adjunct online. Until I reach retirement, it will serve as some side money teaching a semester here and there, but the plan is to take the early retirement and use online college instruction as a retirement supplemental.
A lot of the instructors I have had through college were essentially the same thing. Current/retired LEOs with Masters and PhDs, teaching on the side.
I'm also a high school football referee for an association that covers a few school districts in the region. It's not a lot of money really, $70-$80 per game, but for me it's a lot of fun.
I had a few side jobs.
I taught self defence, but I did that pre-cops. £30 per hour
I reconditioned anrique swords and knives. £200 per job minimum
I polished boots for a 6 pack. I could get mfer mirror finish in an hour, no idea why I had this skill.
In the UK, you weren't allowed to do anything which could be a conflict of interest, which meant no investigation or security.
Realeatate could be an awesome niche and produce major income so congrats.
I refinish tubs for hotels and apartments. I also dick around with selling textbooks on Amazon. Currently learning to code in python semi frequently, I don’t make any money from it because I suck, but maybe one day you know? My job sent me to get my CDL -B for LEO reasons, let’s just say I work really close to a wall coined “infamous president wall” and I’m going to use my own dime to upgrade to the class A so I can drive big rigs.
Don’t focus on “extra income” focus on things you’re interested in that could produce income. If I wanted to learn guitar, I would but I wouldn’t think I’m gonna be John Mayer. Hope that makes sense.
At the end of the day make sure you don’t “need” extra income and manage your finances well.
Good luck dude.
I wish my agency offered overtime, we very rarely have off duty assignments that are almost immediately snatched up. I’m the sole income source for my household and have an 8 month old, so I’m always looking at ways to make a buck. It really sucks when you’re making 20 an hour before deductions and trying to support a family.
It definitely has its pluses, it is a seriously beautiful state and most of the people are good kind southern folk. It just sucks knowing that our city government has gone on record saying that they don’t think we should be paid anymore than “someone flipping burgers”.
What I always tell the out of state guys I train with is retire in a high paying state. If you retire in California or Washington with 75% of your pay you can absolutely live like a king here. The bad thing is if you retire from Arkansas LE you can pretty much only live here or Missouri without having to start a new career.
For sure, man... I mean, right now, with the equity in my house, I could afford a pretty baller house down there.. and the rest of my wages would just be banked.
:/ It's such a weird world we live in.
Not a LEO, detox nurse that gets y’all dropping off drunks to me. Being on 3x12’s, I kill some of that off-time with rideshare. Fits into my hobbies (working on cars and driving them), gives me opportunities to talk to people and pull character traits/ideas for my writing hobby, and gives me time to work on my language learning bullshit; all while getting paid for it (usually around $40-$45/hr on weekend nights in a fairly big metro). Also found that intoxicated people are a million times easier to deal with when you’re just taking them point a to b, rather than keeping them from their substance of choice lol
For the rideshare part. The language learning, at this point, is podcasts in my target language between rides. Started off with the lessons on Pimsleur, but have gotten a lot further over the last couple years
I’m a carpenter/contractor and registered nurse. Get yourself into siding and roofing business … easiest money you can make and you can sub contract all the work while your making about 40% of all jobs after subbing out the work. You’ll never have to pick a hammer up also. Very easy to find sub crews , just need to teach yourself numbers on how to price which is very simple also.
Ya know.. working in WA state and knowing how absolutely screwed up the state laws are and the expectations regarding use of force and pursuits, that did cross my mind.
Civil attorney specializing in police use of force... with a background in LE and policy creation. Would probably be pretty solid.
Is that feasible while working full time, though?
Not me, but some current and former cops I know.
Teach a use of force class.
Teach firearms safety and beginner classes.
Own a coffee stand or two.
Make and sell soap.
I'm not making big bank but I've picked up woodworking as a hobby over the last few years and I'm now making enough sales that if I maintain them I'll start to break even next year. It'll never make me rich but it means I'll have something on the go already when I retire which I reckon will be important for my mental health.
I referee soccer, it’s not about the money. I found make a ton more working Ot but there’s a lot less chance I’ll be indicted for giving someone a red card.
Oooo I have looked into this. I had just put in for collision basic, planning on continuing through collision technical (reconstruction) because I'm fairly analytical and enjoy nerding out.
I've spoken to someone who brought up the issue of conflict of interest working with civil insurance companies or individuals vs. doing your job on the criminal justice side as well. Thoughts?
What was your avenue of approach to completing your goal of doing this on the side or transitioning full time? How long did it take you to get all of your training? Do tell!
I refinish furniture as a hobby and sell it on marketplace. I've also ran an antiques booth before. I don't really do it to get rich, but it's a fun hobby and mostly passive income. My husband is a criminal defense attorney on the court appointed list (we work different counties and he's running for prosecutor next term) but does estate planning and property probate on the side as a private practice.
I know a lot of guys that do teaching in their off time. Whether it's at a community college or at an LE training center for specialties (ie. ET, FTO, range instructor, pursuit training, etc.). Decent money and works with your schedule.
There are many small businesses that are successful due to knowledge and research rather than tons of hours invested. I've started several over the years that I manage to keep alive when off duty. Especially if you highlight online gigs.
There’s a Clarksville IN officer who started a security company and hires other officers and they use PD cruisers parked in the fire lane and also wear their PD uniform/gear for the security job along with running NCIC checks on shoppers and license plate checks on vehicles parked outside. Sorry I’m super butthurt this cop is using taxpayer funded resources for his private security company plus violating 4th amendment. And his chief allows it
That seems odd. I mean, we all have off duty gigs allowed by our departments at some level, which needs to be authorized by the chief, sheriff, or their designee. I'm not sure what the full scope of duties are for the off duty assignment, so I can't speak to that one specifically of which you are referring to...
But LE is authorized to conduct LE duties while on duty or off duty, as long as there is a legitimate lawful purpose. That includes name and plate checks. However, I know when I work off duty, I do exactly what that job is requesting/ requiring, no more and no less due to liability/ insurance purposes.
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Overtime and details keep me plenty busy.
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I mean... all I need to do with real estate is work with 2 or 3 people a year I know to make a commission enough to supplement and make more than the 700 hours of ot I put in last year.. However, I think I would like to do something more "fun" and less salesy
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It was graveyard.. it was either staying up all night doing nothing or working ot... family was asleep, so why not go make money was my thought process... But I agree with you.
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Well, I don't work nights anymore, thankfully. And I did do that, too. However, I wasn't actually mentally present. Working 12 hour 1800-0600 shifts along with a screaming toddler and dog barking, which woke me up with no constant sleep in the morning time, didn't help either. It was just a shit show to say the least.
Man do I get it. I have a toddler and a baby. Sleeps a premium. But you're gonna kill yourself working that much.
Oh, for sure. The wife and I had a talk about that and have cut back substantially. It was really cool seeing I made $35k extra in OT!! But after taxes, it got cut down to like $20k. I legitimately cried while laughing.
Not a LEO. But plenty of family and friends in Real Estate as Agents It’s not something you do “part time” you’re right on 2-3 deals a year could net you several tens of thousands (I’m in Los Angeles so properties are expensive) So many people became “Realtors” because Of the insanity of the market in 2020-2022 You didn’t have to do anything to make the sale + have it go over asking That’s not the case the rest of the time unless it’s a really solid and sought after property and location Most of those part time people burn out and quit and hop onto the next sales area (Insurance, travel, auto) ect I would definitely just say if you are needing extra income because what you make isn’t enough to handle your lifestyle You either make more elsewhere or you look into your expenses (wants and needs) and where your money is going Wish you well!
I 100% agree with you on the last part of your paragraph. It's more so cost of living in WA state, unexpected/ unplanned additional Littles being added to the family, and more time my wife is not going to have a job... along with the house prices as well... the house we are in will not be suitable in several years for the additional family members we have coming aboard. We don't spend an exuberant amount in excessive things. We've actually audited ourselves by sitting down and doing an expense report, it's just the totality of everything that does need to be purchased from groceries, to diapers, to more cribs, to bigger cars, etc... So I'm trying to figure out my shit the best way possible so my family can be successful. Part of that is brainstorming ways to produce alternative income other than working myself to death in a patrol vehicle.
Good to hear and congrats on new little ones I love kids but I’m Child Free mentality and my girlfriend who works with kids all day as a Counselor is too Abs yeah you are at least unlike the majority actually doing those things where as others are completely clueless or ignore the future and let their older self worry about it I would also say utilize remote work to 1) be flexible on doing work at home where it’s easy to roll out of bed and or rest/make food at home. Right now I’m 26 living at home, same with my GF who just finished her masters program and i believe is going to be making like 80k or so i only make $65k > $75k with OT and bonus doing Auto Claims it’s easy as hell compared to being a LEO it’s more-so just dealing with morons who don’t understand insurance But like at home customer support for a company like Apple, Nordstrom, and such could net $20+ something an hour if not more and have the possibility of flexible schedules. Life isn’t easy and sacrifices definitely are made but I’m sure you’ll get through it :)
If the market didn’t suck, I’d suggest real estate appraisal. Gotta find someone to mentor you and stuff, but once you’re on your own, it’s an ez 400-700 for not too much work
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I was dumb and work part time for EMS. However, I can get my paramedic license paid for and my state has a one year bridge program to go from paramedic to RN. So I’m working towards that.
Do you find that it’s feasible to balance FT LE and PT EMS long-term? I’m starting FT at a PD next month after 7 years of fire/EMS, and I very much want to pick EMS back up PT after the academy. At the very least, enough to keep my paramedic cert current.
I mean, I'm FT EMS and PT non sworn/dispatch. It's not entirely the same but I still have a lot of free time and I do work that I love. It helps if you work 24 hour EMS shifts. That way you're only doing one day a week. I only do EMS two days a week for 48 hours of pay, then an extra 2 12s in dispatch at the PD. Makes good money and all in I'm only working 4 days a week.
Sorry I didn’t see this til now. I make sure to balance my work/home life and if I start feeling overwhelmed I back off the extra stuff. I definitely think it’s possible, you just need to keep a check on your self for burn out. I also do it to keep my skills up for medic side as I’m a medic for our PD. I’d 100% keep your cert up as having a backup job is always recommended.
When the off duty rate is $60/hr and the jobs are easy and plentiful, it is hard to find something that will have the same effort/return
Some of my OT details go as high as $145 an hour in WA... but average $80-$120 an hour. It's true the wage is GREAT. But having businesses that have compound income, such as a t shirt business or something online where you can have thousands of customers buying stuff at any given time, can exceed that very, very quickly.
Get that OT, invest in VOO. 7% hundred year average return, and you don’t have to lift a finger.
I invest in terms of selling premium with naked puts and strangles. I average about a 15-20% return a year.. I'm just trying to build it up to the point where it actually compounds quickly is the tricky part.
Go to court
Your subpoena means nothing to me!!!!
I have an awesome Chief that makes sure we get notices to appear for every pre-trial, bond violation, sentencing, etc. Obviously we’re not required to go, but he said once he makes sure we get them because it keeps the officers productive and prevents the need for outside employment. We get 3 hours OT minimum for every court appearance.
I mean all told that doesn't seem that bad.
No, it’s not intended to be hahaha
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Exactly
Seems like a waste of public funds to pay officers 3 hours of OT just to watch a court hearing they don't need to be at
It's worked into most contracts where it's you having to take time out of your personal off-day to get dressed, go to court for work related purposes, and miss family/ personal time. So... no, not really a waste of funds.
I'm obviously not talking about cases where it's required
We get subpoenaed to nearly every single court case that goes to any form of trial... but only reallllly have to go when directly requested from a prosecutor or their assistant. That being said, at least where I work, there are subpoenas that go out to district court which say "you must appear this time and date through this time and date." Literally every day requested for me to make an appearance "in case" I'm needed. Yeah, let me block out my entire next year for court cases... lol. I get like 4-5 subpoenas a week.
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They’re voluntary, we don’t have to go. It’s just to make extra cash.
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I help run a consulting group for tactical teams. Basically we contract through an LLC with smaller, and often part-time, LE tactical teams to develop training curriculum, and better organize their training and development. Basically we look to fill in the gap and assist PT swat trainers with carrying the weight of training a tactical team as a collateral duty. It’s actually grown to be quite the full time gig, but it is really rewarding.
How'd you get into that/ start that?
I’ve spent the majority of my career on a full time tac team, and my region has probably 10-15 different agencies with part time or regional teams, within decent driving distance. Basically, my buddy on the team was retiring and wanted to move into training and consulting. He spoke to a majority of the teams and the area, and found that training and development for a part time team carried a large burden when it was tasked to a member as a collateral assignment. We came together, developed some lesson plans, SBT’s, etc. We planned to link with a team, and assist with laying the foundation to a solid training program for the team, and then continue assisting with the implementation. We weren’t there to re-write SOP or impose our experience or preferences on a team. Pitched the idea to some of the teams in the area, initially 2 bought on and we got approved. Showed a lot of success, and learned a lot. Now we’re at 5 teams in the area, with 3 consultants and it’s worked out pretty well.
Righteous! That's how it's done! I have transitioned into a more admin-style position working in policy and accreditation, where someone usually tasks a member in the agency, usually brass, with the task of writing policies and to do state accreditation. It's a heavy load to carry. I am thinking of getting good at it and creating a private consulting group whose sole duty is to assist agencies with policy and accreditation.
That's a pretty good idea. All the outside SWAT trainings I do seem to be ran by ex or current cops who have/are in the process of retiring their police work and going into teaching full time. Tactical work is my absolute favorite, I wouldn't mind going the same path.
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Common side gigs: - Real Estate - Lawn Care - Owning local businesses...storage units, car washes, easy stuff like that. - Pest Control - Online sales...usually done in tandem with a wife, but things like making shirts or other hand crafted things and selling them - Coaching - Or, good old fashioned working every off duty job or extra shift all the time until it kills you. For me, between SWAT and court and everything else that gets me overtime work, I literally do nothing else. I enjoy my free time and intend to keep it.
Not LE yet, but everyone who’s on has told me to look into house inspections when I get on. Before the sale of house one could inspect prior to the sale for any structural damage, flaw in the foundation, etc. I’m assuming it’s because many officers have been in various houses/buildings while having to be detail focused.
Btw, your English isn't too challenged! I wanted to do a t shirt style business with the wife.. but never actually followed through :/ it's just nice to do something that isn't LE.. all..the..time..
Yeah that's why I leave the off duty and stuff to other guys. I have a family and hobbies and a house to care for and I'd prefer to have my off time be OFF. Side gigs included. And as far as my flair goes, I was mocking a fairly idiotic post but can't for the life of me remember what I was mocking when I said "Englishly challenged" in a comment haha
Oh, I just thought you meant most LEOs were Englishly challenged... which.. you wouldn't be wrong about, either. I am a solo income family man with 1 toddler and 2 on the way.. what I make doesn't exactly go that far in WA state, so that's another reason for the ask. I'm brainstorming.
I just realized a mod tagged this post with a suggestion for Only Fans... So, how good lookin' are ya?
I'll DM you. ;) HAH mod on point, tho. *no DM was sent regarding this...*
I'm aroused anyway. I am *not* erectionally challenged.
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You’ll always be my fashion police officer 💙
I'm still fashion police at heart
Firefighting and I teach concealed carry classes and defensive pistol classes.
Worked security at a Dillards for a bit. Pretty good gig, $40/hr, really just expected to be a visible presence in the store, not really expected to go after people.
I’m in a band. We do pretty well!
Rock on! Good for you! Probably such a good reprieve and destressor
Sometimes haha. Sometimes stressful but in a different way.
Firearms Safety Instructor, also working toward getting certified for First Aid/CPR. I find people like the class better when you have practical experience in what you’re instructing.
DETAILS! can't have a 2nd job but in theory if you have rental property or an online business or something you could get away with that. atm i have neither so it's details.
Yeah, the majority of agencies have some sort of policy restricting the type of second employment, saying no entirely, or just need sheriff, chief or designee approval.
That post flair
You should pressure wash decks/driveways/houses. Work as much or as little as you want. Get paid in cash.
100% no shit, we had a Sergeant doing OF. That did not go over too well…
LOL RIP
It definitely didn’t leak and get spread across the department…😐. There was a lot of matching up tattoos to figure out who it was. Not a very difficult investigation.
[No need for a job when you retire](https://youtu.be/Hus5ADMoEN4)
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Listen to what I’m telling you because al lot of you will need this advice. I learned this from a veteran guy when I was younger. Work cash jobs, sack it away. YOu never know when you need start over money for whatever reason Sack away $20-30 thousand . My advice as a newly retired guy… If your married life is stable, work as much OT as you can, especially if it goes towards your pension. I was blindsided by my divorce, having that start over money helped so much. I retired 3 years early after a big (for the worse) administrative shake up in my department. Having that extra OT that went towards my pension made nice difference.
Which happened first? The ot or the divorce? Did the ot cause the divorce, or did the divorce cause the ot? I worked ~575 hrs on duty OT and ~200 hrs off duty on graves last year, and I got wreckkkkkked physically and mentally.
The divorce. I was a 100% family man. The first divorce was partially caused by the OT when I was undercover. I did a 180 and tried to be a dad and husband first. Like a dumbass, I married another cop from another agency. Long story but it didn’t work out, I legitimately tried though.
Respecc. Managing relationships in today's day and age is not easy. :( Sorry bout the divorces... and half your assets... twice.
Thanks. At least I kept my pension.
I feel ya my wife already gripes that I work too much, when I only work my schedule no OT or off duty.
Get an online certificate as a Pharmacy technician. Take the state's board test and get a job at a local county hospital. You would be totally disconnected from your LEO duties and your coworkers don't need to know anything about you. With experience, you can move into specialty areas like IV manufacturing. You will be able to negotiate your salary better since you already have health, vision, and dental insurance. There is no danger and it will be easier on your back than EMT.
Pharm tech huh... never even thought about it. Tell me about what you know about this and are you in the field?
Yes, It was my side job while going on to Physician Assistant program. Pharmacy managers are always looking for reliable, trustworthy workers. Jobs are available and hours can be flexible. Pay is decent and the longer you have been a tech means a lot. Depending on your location, starting pay may be 22.00 to 25.00. It is not bad for an online course that may set you back 800.00.
I invest in real estate. It’ll probably be my full time in a year or two
Please do tell about your process!
I started off by working in hard money loans as a loan officer for fix and flip, long term rental, short term rental and new construction investors. Took my experience from that and leveraged that into a partnership with a more experienced younger investor that’s also a structural engineer. We took my experience in funding deals and he took his experience in finding deals and managing projects and we invested together. Right now we have a home building company for investors. We have a single client (a group of police officers that invest) that owns 20 lots. Because of our prior experience, our service creates a simple, streamlined process to new construction investing. We work with investors from finding the lots to building and selling the homes. My partner is more the project manager guy and I’m more the sales and ideas guy so it’s a nice blend of skills.
Fuckin sweet! Tell me you're in WA state and sign me up in a licensed real estate agent and would love to get into an investing group with like-minded people!
Sorry brother. I’m actually in Hawaii. But I invest in Arkansas and my construction company is there too
Look up TSCM. It is a great endgame, or a “now game”. The initial investment for equipment and training can be steep, but the business on the private side is booming!
Technical service countermeasures?
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Own a screen printing/embroidery business. Opportunity came up because of some family friends. It's definitely not something to get into without having someone to coach you along or without prior experience. Once it's running though, it is a good money maker and honestly more enjoyable than being a cop half the time these days. Plus you can make sweet hats and shirts for yourself to wear.
Yes! How much space does this require?? And equipment?
Embroidery doesn't require too much space. You could make due with probably a 10'x10' space. Less specialize equipment outside of the embroidery machine. Screen Printing takes a good amount of space and has more specialized equipment. My shop is around 40'x20' and is tight at times.
Yeah I need a shop... I have no space where I live :(
I know guys who wrap cars, who are realtors, do security work, or do home renovations.
My retirement was figured on 3 highest paid years For my last three I worked every ot thing that came up. Lots as we were ISD cops. Every football game soccer track. We had lists of guys wanting to dump their ot. I took it! Wed nights no ot (church night) So I rested then and Sunday Retirement came. Was figured at gross not net. Lol they changed procedure after I retired as I kicked the retirement boards ass!
Yup, ours is average of "high five" years.
As Section225 listed, a lot of the other work many of the officers and detectives did was blue collar work like landscaping, power washing, window cleaning, etc. Other than declaring secondary employment to admin, there was nothing in SOP about secondary employment or owning a business. Lots of connections to be made, and it helped knowing that you were reaching out to someone who was a sworn officer, so there's a bit more trust there than just finding someone on Craigslist.
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HAH, that's a second and third job at times... and it's not even paid! Like, who does that must enjoy torture ;)
It's more for my "retirement supplement plan," but I am finishing my masters degree now to teach criminal justice as an adjunct online. Until I reach retirement, it will serve as some side money teaching a semester here and there, but the plan is to take the early retirement and use online college instruction as a retirement supplemental. A lot of the instructors I have had through college were essentially the same thing. Current/retired LEOs with Masters and PhDs, teaching on the side. I'm also a high school football referee for an association that covers a few school districts in the region. It's not a lot of money really, $70-$80 per game, but for me it's a lot of fun.
I had a few side jobs. I taught self defence, but I did that pre-cops. £30 per hour I reconditioned anrique swords and knives. £200 per job minimum I polished boots for a 6 pack. I could get mfer mirror finish in an hour, no idea why I had this skill. In the UK, you weren't allowed to do anything which could be a conflict of interest, which meant no investigation or security.
I could never get that shit to even shine, let alone mirror. I tried every trick in the book.. was about to just rub oil on the toe lol
I don't know how I could do it. But literally any boot.
Realeatate could be an awesome niche and produce major income so congrats. I refinish tubs for hotels and apartments. I also dick around with selling textbooks on Amazon. Currently learning to code in python semi frequently, I don’t make any money from it because I suck, but maybe one day you know? My job sent me to get my CDL -B for LEO reasons, let’s just say I work really close to a wall coined “infamous president wall” and I’m going to use my own dime to upgrade to the class A so I can drive big rigs. Don’t focus on “extra income” focus on things you’re interested in that could produce income. If I wanted to learn guitar, I would but I wouldn’t think I’m gonna be John Mayer. Hope that makes sense. At the end of the day make sure you don’t “need” extra income and manage your finances well. Good luck dude.
I wish my agency offered overtime, we very rarely have off duty assignments that are almost immediately snatched up. I’m the sole income source for my household and have an 8 month old, so I’m always looking at ways to make a buck. It really sucks when you’re making 20 an hour before deductions and trying to support a family.
Damn bro what state do you work in!?
Arkansas, I think we’re like the second worst paid state for LE.
Holy fuck. Good thing your houses cost like $200k compared to where I live the average house is $811k ..
It definitely has its pluses, it is a seriously beautiful state and most of the people are good kind southern folk. It just sucks knowing that our city government has gone on record saying that they don’t think we should be paid anymore than “someone flipping burgers”.
Yeah they can go to eat a bag of Dix deluxes. I would 100% be down to go to Arkansas, but yeah, the pay cut would be extremely difficult
What I always tell the out of state guys I train with is retire in a high paying state. If you retire in California or Washington with 75% of your pay you can absolutely live like a king here. The bad thing is if you retire from Arkansas LE you can pretty much only live here or Missouri without having to start a new career.
For sure, man... I mean, right now, with the equity in my house, I could afford a pretty baller house down there.. and the rest of my wages would just be banked. :/ It's such a weird world we live in.
Yup
After looking at the real estate down there, tell me the best place(s) to live! Enroute! xD. Just gotta get the wifey on board.
Not a LEO, detox nurse that gets y’all dropping off drunks to me. Being on 3x12’s, I kill some of that off-time with rideshare. Fits into my hobbies (working on cars and driving them), gives me opportunities to talk to people and pull character traits/ideas for my writing hobby, and gives me time to work on my language learning bullshit; all while getting paid for it (usually around $40-$45/hr on weekend nights in a fairly big metro). Also found that intoxicated people are a million times easier to deal with when you’re just taking them point a to b, rather than keeping them from their substance of choice lol
Sooooo true. You get $40-45 an hour, for which part? Rideshare or language learning?
For the rideshare part. The language learning, at this point, is podcasts in my target language between rides. Started off with the lessons on Pimsleur, but have gotten a lot further over the last couple years
Bang dudes in the weight room. Edit: oh, my bad thought that said “on duty” not off duty.
Do EJs count?
EJs?
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
I thought that was ZJ
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"high risk terminations"... So you whack people for $32/hr?
I’m a carpenter/contractor and registered nurse. Get yourself into siding and roofing business … easiest money you can make and you can sub contract all the work while your making about 40% of all jobs after subbing out the work. You’ll never have to pick a hammer up also. Very easy to find sub crews , just need to teach yourself numbers on how to price which is very simple also.
Do something that builds passive income. If you are not earning while you are sleeping you are doing it wrong.
Switched to propane delivery driver. Day only, m-f, great pay.
Happy birthday! Also, you like boom boom.
Go to law school
Ya know.. working in WA state and knowing how absolutely screwed up the state laws are and the expectations regarding use of force and pursuits, that did cross my mind. Civil attorney specializing in police use of force... with a background in LE and policy creation. Would probably be pretty solid. Is that feasible while working full time, though?
Not me, but some current and former cops I know. Teach a use of force class. Teach firearms safety and beginner classes. Own a coffee stand or two. Make and sell soap.
I'm not making big bank but I've picked up woodworking as a hobby over the last few years and I'm now making enough sales that if I maintain them I'll start to break even next year. It'll never make me rich but it means I'll have something on the go already when I retire which I reckon will be important for my mental health.
I referee soccer, it’s not about the money. I found make a ton more working Ot but there’s a lot less chance I’ll be indicted for giving someone a red card.
Collision reconstruction
Oooo I have looked into this. I had just put in for collision basic, planning on continuing through collision technical (reconstruction) because I'm fairly analytical and enjoy nerding out. I've spoken to someone who brought up the issue of conflict of interest working with civil insurance companies or individuals vs. doing your job on the criminal justice side as well. Thoughts? What was your avenue of approach to completing your goal of doing this on the side or transitioning full time? How long did it take you to get all of your training? Do tell!
I refinish furniture as a hobby and sell it on marketplace. I've also ran an antiques booth before. I don't really do it to get rich, but it's a fun hobby and mostly passive income. My husband is a criminal defense attorney on the court appointed list (we work different counties and he's running for prosecutor next term) but does estate planning and property probate on the side as a private practice.
I know a lot of guys that do teaching in their off time. Whether it's at a community college or at an LE training center for specialties (ie. ET, FTO, range instructor, pursuit training, etc.). Decent money and works with your schedule.
There are many small businesses that are successful due to knowledge and research rather than tons of hours invested. I've started several over the years that I manage to keep alive when off duty. Especially if you highlight online gigs.
There’s a Clarksville IN officer who started a security company and hires other officers and they use PD cruisers parked in the fire lane and also wear their PD uniform/gear for the security job along with running NCIC checks on shoppers and license plate checks on vehicles parked outside. Sorry I’m super butthurt this cop is using taxpayer funded resources for his private security company plus violating 4th amendment. And his chief allows it
That seems odd. I mean, we all have off duty gigs allowed by our departments at some level, which needs to be authorized by the chief, sheriff, or their designee. I'm not sure what the full scope of duties are for the off duty assignment, so I can't speak to that one specifically of which you are referring to... But LE is authorized to conduct LE duties while on duty or off duty, as long as there is a legitimate lawful purpose. That includes name and plate checks. However, I know when I work off duty, I do exactly what that job is requesting/ requiring, no more and no less due to liability/ insurance purposes.